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Autolyse, Sour Dough Bread, and Trad Wives · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 46 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: Now, we've been busy over the last few weeks and perhaps we will delve into some topics in the near future.
• 0:43
  I Hate Talking: We never really got any feedback yet, I guess on topics that people want to hear about, but maybe we'll just keep going with topics that we enjoy.
• 0:51
  I Hate Talking: So, we're going to talk about a particular hobby that perhaps you enjoy and talk about that today and I'll let you carry the conversation, this particular episode.
• 1:03
  I Hate Talking: Are we doing word or just going right into it?
• 1:07
  I Hate Talking: We are going to do a word or phrase, and I believe you had that word or phrase prepared.
• 1:11
  I Hate Talking: Is that correct?
• 1:12
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 1:13
  I Hate Talking: Well, that is what we start with.
• 1:15
  I Hate Talking: It was on my phone and I don't have my phone with me.
• 1:19
  I Hate Talking: Well, what is the word?
• 1:21
  I Hate Talking: You don't even know what the word is without looking at your phone?
• 1:24
  I Hate Talking: Oh, I don't know how to pronounce it unless I see my phone.
• 1:31
  I Hate Talking: So it's a difficult to pronounce word.
• 1:33
  I Hate Talking: That's a good start.
• 1:34
  I Hate Talking: Most of the ones that we do on this podcast, I'd say fifty-fifty are hard to pronounce and the other 50 are relatively easy or well-known words that maybe are misused or just not well known in terms of their definition or etymology.
• 1:50
  I Hate Talking: Well, do you have your phone and I'll look it up.
• 1:53
  I Hate Talking: I do have my phone.
• 1:54
  I Hate Talking: It's amazing what we can do with technology these days, because in my experience as a person in school, we didn't have these things like you had to look stuff up in a book.
• 2:06
  I Hate Talking: Like, I guess that makes me old, but like I had to go look up something in the in a hard copy dictionary or like an encyclopedia.
• 2:13
  I Hate Talking: I did that a little, yeah, encyclopedias was a thing, but like, my time, it was more, you had to go to the library.
• 2:23
  I Hate Talking: Like at school, we had the library and you went all the way over there and had to turn on the computer.
• 2:29
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think that is probably some of my first experiences with computers as well.
• 2:34
  I Hate Talking: We did have a home computer relatively early compared to my peers.
• 2:37
  I Hate Talking: We did have computers at the public library that we would utilize as well, but I remember going to the library actually to look for books as well, like you would go to the library to find out knowledge and read it in a book.
• 2:53
  I Hate Talking: I don't think people really do that anymore.
• 2:56
  I Hate Talking: I think you maybe go to the library to like as a social club or to maybe find.
• 3:02
  I Hate Talking: Maybe archived stuff like newspapers or magazines.
• 3:06
  I Hate Talking: There are books still, I guess people still like to read, but I don't feel like people really go to local libraries to like -- perform research -- perhaps.
• 3:13
  I Hate Talking: No, I don't think so.
• 3:14
  I Hate Talking: It's like to go get a story.
• 3:16
  I Hate Talking: That's what we use it for books to read for like entertainment.
• 3:20
  I Hate Talking: Yes, that is true, because you can do all the research online, like for our kids' projects or even like if I need to know.
• 3:29
  I Hate Talking: How to change a lock in a sliding glass door.
• 3:32
  I Hate Talking: I will just YouTube it.
• 3:34
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, exactly.
• 3:36
  I Hate Talking: Well, you had to go to a library to learn about this or just be a tradesman, I guess.
• 3:40
  I Hate Talking: Well, one of our kids' school assignments, they had a research assignment and they had to have at least one book as a reference.
• 3:47
  I Hate Talking: I was like, oh man, we got to go to the library.
• 3:50
  I Hate Talking: And I didn't tell them that.
• 3:51
  I Hate Talking: I was like, Yay, we got to go to the library and look up a book.
• 3:55
  I Hate Talking: But it was very obnoxious to have to drive all the way there just for that information that we easily could get on the internet.
• 4:02
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 4:03
  I Hate Talking: I guess we take it for granted to some degree.
• 4:05
  I Hate Talking: Yep.
• 4:07
  I Hate Talking: All right.
• 4:07
  I Hate Talking: So, You've handed me the phone that contains this word.
• 4:12
  I Hate Talking: I don't know how to pronounce it.
• 4:15
  I Hate Talking: I would say, see, -- it's -- a hard word.
• 4:17
  I Hate Talking: I would say that it's probably not auto lies because that would be too straightforward.
• 4:25
  I Hate Talking: It's probably like all I will tell you if you ask.
• 4:30
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think we will have to ask, but we know that AI is not even necessarily right 100% of the time, which would be why it'd be better to look it up in a book and use the pronunciation guide to know how to pronounce it, but.
• 4:41
  I Hate Talking: We will take a quick break here and come right back with the correct pronunciation of this word, A U T O L Y S E.
• 4:51
  I Hate Talking: Auto lease.
• 4:53
  I Hate Talking: All right, we're back, so.
• 4:55
  I Hate Talking: There are actually conflicting pronunciations for this.
• 5:00
  I Hate Talking: So there are a lot of sources that have auto lies, which I think is actually how I said it, I guess we can listen to the recording, but I think that's what I said.
• 5:14
  I Hate Talking: And then it seems like a lot of bakers.
• 5:19
  I Hate Talking: Pronounce it auto lease, and that's actually on a lot of these guides to auto lease bread.
• 5:28
  I Hate Talking: And things of that nature, that it is auto lease.
• 5:33
  I Hate Talking: Let's check Reddit because that's actually hopefully real people, and we'll see what they say.
• 5:40
  I Hate Talking: Well, according to Reddit, they cite Alton Brown, and I would trust him, I think, for knowing how to pronounce this, especially as it relates to food and baking and All things chef related, that it is auto lease.
• 5:57
  I Hate Talking: OK, see, so that's why I need my phone, because it is difficult.
• 6:03
  I Hate Talking: Multiple people do not agree, but what do you think auto lease is?
• 6:10
  I Hate Talking: So, I would have thought maybe that it's some sort of chemical reaction.
• 6:15
  I Hate Talking: The LYSE has sort of that.
• 6:18
  I Hate Talking: Aspect of maybe something that is transforming or changing through like a chemical process.
• 6:24
  I Hate Talking: And I would have no idea what the auto would be, but like maybe like an automatic chemical reaction process or something like that, that, that's what it would mean, based on just the word alone because I have no context and did not know that it had anything to do with bread baking until this very evening.
• 6:43
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, you're pretty close.
• 6:45
  I Hate Talking: So when they're using it in recipes, It's kind of like the stage where you let it rise before you could do more stuff to it.
• 6:55
  I Hate Talking: So bread, sourdough, specifically, but other breads, I think too.
• 7:00
  I Hate Talking: You'll let them rest for a while, you'll mix, let it rest, and then let it rise.
• 7:05
  I Hate Talking: And then you mix, let it rest, let it rise.
• 7:07
  I Hate Talking: So if it's, it's gonna be much more dense and hard if you don't autoly sit.
• 7:15
  I Hate Talking: And then it's more fluffy and um airy, if you do.
• 7:19
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 7:21
  I Hate Talking: So, it's actually, I guess based on some of the things that I'm looking at and maybe you've already done this research is that it's based on both Latin and Greek, that the lease is from Greek and then I guess that would make the auto from Latin and it does mean self, so auto as in self like autobiography, and then lease as in dissolving.
• 7:46
  I Hate Talking: So basically these Like you said, the elements of the bread are becoming one during this resting period by themselves.
• 7:56
  I Hate Talking: There's no action being performed, you're just letting it do its thing.
• 8:00
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so when you were talking earlier about like the chemical in your head, you were thinking like a chemical reaction.
• 8:06
  I Hate Talking: It was kind of like that.
• 8:07
  I Hate Talking: So it's this natural self-rising or self blending.
• 8:13
  I Hate Talking: Process.
• 8:14
  I Hate Talking: And I guess as I'm reading through some of the Reddit comments here is that some of the confusion on the pronunciation is that this term.
• 8:25
  I Hate Talking: Became coined by a French chef who would have said autolise, because that would be more of the French pronunciation, but that maybe perhaps more of the English pronunciation would be auto lies.
• 8:40
  I Hate Talking: OK, super interesting.
• 8:42
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 8:43
  I Hate Talking: So if you want to be French and sound fancy, you can just say.
• 8:47
  I Hate Talking: On a lease.
• 8:48
  I Hate Talking: Of course, always want to be fancy.
• 8:50
  I Hate Talking: So, if you haven't guessed, this is the sourdough episode.
• 8:56
  I Hate Talking: We've been talking about for so long.
• 8:58
  I Hate Talking: I started my sourdough journey kind of reluctantly.
• 9:03
  I Hate Talking: I felt like back in like 2020, 2021, everybody was doing sourdough.
• 9:09
  I Hate Talking: And truth be told, I don't like the taste of it.
• 9:13
  I Hate Talking: And I just don't like trendy things.
• 9:17
  I Hate Talking: So, I didn't do it.
• 9:19
  I Hate Talking: I have some really, really close friends that absolutely love it, and it takes over their lives.
• 9:25
  I Hate Talking: And I've had friends that I've, like, hung out with, and they have their sourdough with them because they have to mix it.
• 9:31
  I Hate Talking: During our play date.
• 9:34
  I Hate Talking: And I just did not want basically another pet or something.
• 9:40
  I Hate Talking: But kind of around the same time we started the podcast last year.
• 9:45
  I Hate Talking: I just felt like we should.
• 9:47
  I Hate Talking: I don't know why um I started reading about it in health benefits.
• 9:50
  I Hate Talking: And we were trying to get healthier, and I was like, you know what, like, I'm gonna do this.
• 9:55
  I Hate Talking: And since then, I love it.
• 9:58
  I Hate Talking: I do it all the time.
• 9:59
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 10:01
  I Hate Talking: So, I think it was around the same time, like you said, that we did the podcast and I think we may have even referenced it in one of the 1st 10 episodes and then have been teasing it ever since, but now we're here to actually talk about it.
• 10:15
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 10:16
  I Hate Talking: So if you do not want to do this, just turn off the podcast.
• 10:19
  I Hate Talking: Give us 5 stars and turn it off.
• 10:20
  I Hate Talking: No harm, no foul.
• 10:22
  I Hate Talking: But if you're interested, keep listening because it is so addicting and it is so.
• 10:28
  I Hate Talking: Fulfilling.
• 10:29
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so fulfilling or rewarding.
• 10:31
  I Hate Talking: That is true, and I think it is pretty neat that you can.
• 10:36
  I Hate Talking: Take that Ingredient and mix it with other ingredients and then.
• 10:41
  I Hate Talking: something that I personally do enjoy eating, uh, on a regular basis and I think you've even done some different things with sourdough brownies and different styles of sourdough bread, and I think we've even used it for like pizza crust and things of that nature, so a lot of versatility that sourdough provides as well.
• 11:04
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, OK, on that note, months ago, I was telling my friends.
• 11:08
  I Hate Talking: They were validating to me that my mother is an amazing baker.
• 11:15
  I Hate Talking: Anyone that knows her just, she's got several recipes she's known for, very beloved.
• 11:23
  I Hate Talking: I take her recipes and I will follow them.
• 11:27
  I Hate Talking: I will have her help me in the kitchen.
• 11:29
  I Hate Talking: And I, I will admit I'm a little bit more.
• 11:34
  I Hate Talking: I was gonna say loose with the recipe.
• 11:39
  I Hate Talking: OK, that's, that's nice, but like when I'm trying with her recipe, I try so hard because I, people will eat my cookies.
• 11:48
  I Hate Talking: I'd be like.
• 11:48
  I Hate Talking: This isn't your mom's recipe, and it is, and I like.
• 11:52
  I Hate Talking: Use it step by step.
• 11:54
  I Hate Talking: If I'm in the kitchen with her, I'm like, do you have a secret recipe you're not giving me?
• 11:58
  I Hate Talking: But I watch her and I do the same thing.
• 12:02
  I Hate Talking: I'm not good at like measuring preciseness.
• 12:06
  I Hate Talking: So I was waiting to see what word you're gonna say, like flighty or that was the word that came to my mind.
• 12:11
  I Hate Talking: But like, you, -- you thought it not -- me.
• 12:15
  I Hate Talking: But you're smiling and naughty.
• 12:17
  I Hate Talking: So I've lived my entire life having people tell me like, your mom's such a good baker.
• 12:24
  I Hate Talking: Basically saying like, well, what happened to you?
• 12:27
  I Hate Talking: Why aren't you as good of a baker?
• 12:30
  I Hate Talking: So I love her cookies.
• 12:33
  I Hate Talking: I don't take offense, but I just can't do it.
• 12:36
  I Hate Talking: Even you tell me, like, this does not taste the same.
• 12:39
  I Hate Talking: But you love my sourdough, and everything like the brownies, all that, I make you enjoy so much and it makes me so happy.
• 12:49
  I Hate Talking: And I told my friends that, and they're like, something in your like body healed from like not living up to your mother's abilities.
• 12:55
  I Hate Talking: Like, you have this own thing, she doesn't do sourdough.
• 12:59
  I Hate Talking: You're a great sourdough baker.
• 13:01
  I Hate Talking: And so I'm like, I'm accepting that and my calling is sourdough.
• 13:05
  I Hate Talking: That is true.
• 13:06
  I Hate Talking: I don't know what it is.
• 13:07
  I Hate Talking: Maybe it's the recipe or the lack of following it precisely.
• 13:14
  I Hate Talking: It could be the elevation, the water, who knows, there's a lot of different variables that come into play with baking because it is a relatively precise science.
• 13:26
  I Hate Talking: But I think, again, the versatility of sourdough allows some latitude with that and still have a very tasty product.
• 13:35
  I Hate Talking: And actually some of that variability is even, I think enjoyed because maybe there will be a particular batch that is more sour than a previous batch or whatever the case may be, and it actually adds to some of the varied experience that Makes it so that every different loaf is different.
• 13:58
  I Hate Talking: It may not be something that everybody enjoys or necessarily even something that would be looked upon favorably from mass consumption perspective because everybody wants the same experience, the same thing if they enjoyed it, but the fact that it is different actually is enjoyable to me to some degree that Maybe the bread tastes a little bit different each time.
• 14:21
  I Hate Talking: OK, so that makes sense.
• 14:24
  I Hate Talking: And then yay for my ability to not be precise.
• 14:28
  I Hate Talking: Cause yes, in a bakery, you have to be precise.
• 14:32
  I Hate Talking: If your customers come in and they like a certain sourdough sour level.
• 14:37
  I Hate Talking: In their sourdough It has to be that all the time.
• 14:41
  I Hate Talking: You can't have a variety.
• 14:43
  I Hate Talking: But I can see where you as just, you know, a family member, weekly getting bread, that it kind of changes up.
• 14:51
  I Hate Talking: And keeps you kind of on your toes or um your taste buds interested.
• 14:57
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think so, right?
• 14:59
  I Hate Talking: I mean, there's Certain sandwich shops that pride themselves on their bread, like, you know, Jimmy John's or Jersey Mike's where if that bread is different day to day or week to week that That could cause loss of a customer or whatever the case may be.
• 15:17
  I Hate Talking: McDonald's actually specifically makes this part of their strategy is to make sure that every McDonald's tastes exactly the same as every other McDonald's so that that customer experience.
• 15:29
  I Hate Talking: Results in another satisfied customer and not that they had something that tasted off that day and they never go back to a McDonald's.
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: OK, in the future, can we, or another time, can we talk about McDonald's and their soda?
• 15:44
  I Hate Talking: I was listening to Joe Rogan today, and he was talking about that as a side note.
• 15:50
  I Hate Talking: Because McDonald's soda tastes better than anywhere else in the world, and there's a certain reason why.
• 15:57
  I Hate Talking: For reasons plural.
• 16:00
  I Hate Talking: I think they buy their syrup directly from Coke, and also I think it's stored or transported in a different format than most people.
• 16:11
  I Hate Talking: Does that have anything to do with it?
• 16:12
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 16:13
  I Hate Talking: So, a quick overview, go listen to Joe Rogan saying, I don't want to steal his info.
• 16:18
  I Hate Talking: And I did not do research on this.
• 16:20
  I Hate Talking: I was just listening on my car ride home after dropping the kids off somewhere.
• 16:24
  I Hate Talking: But he was saying that, yes, the difference is MikeDonald's gets their coke syrup.
• 16:31
  I Hate Talking: In aluminum containers, where everyone else gets it in plastic.
• 16:36
  I Hate Talking: So that could be a difference.
• 16:39
  I Hate Talking: Also, they pre-chill their mixture.
• 16:44
  I Hate Talking: Before putting it in there.
• 16:46
  I Hate Talking: So it's like not diluted.
• 16:48
  I Hate Talking: Everyone else basically dilutes it then, because it's added with ice to cool it off.
• 16:52
  I Hate Talking: They pre-chill everything, so it's cold before they mix it together.
• 16:57
  I Hate Talking: That would make sense, and that aluminum thing is the thing that I was thinking of.
• 17:01
  I Hate Talking: I think they've always done it that way and they're like one of the only ones that do it that way.
• 17:06
  I Hate Talking: -- And -- occasionally, very rarely, especially at McDonald's, but occasionally or other places, right?
• 17:12
  I Hate Talking: When the mixture of the carbonation versus all the other stuff is not right.
• 17:16
  I Hate Talking: And you go to take that sit, and it's like, oh, so disappointing, right?
• 17:20
  I Hate Talking: And so frustrating.
• 17:23
  I Hate Talking: I can see as a need.
• 17:26
  I Hate Talking: As a consumer or a company, you need preciseness.
• 17:30
  I Hate Talking: Like, you do not want people to be on their toes, like, is it gonna be good this time?
• 17:35
  I Hate Talking: Is it sour?
• 17:36
  I Hate Talking: Is it bland?
• 17:38
  I Hate Talking: Is it whatnot?
• 17:38
  I Hate Talking: But as a family member that's eating this weekly, It is probably enjoyable to mix it up.
• 17:45
  I Hate Talking: Yep, and I think that is part of the reason that I enjoy the variety of sourdough.
• 17:52
  I Hate Talking: So what do sourdough people call themselves?
• 17:57
  I Hate Talking: Because like you said, this has been trendy, probably more so, I guess in 2023, 2024.
• 18:04
  I Hate Talking: I feel like we're maybe a little bit late to the party and it doesn't really seem like I've seen as much recently.
• 18:08
  I Hate Talking: Like there was even Netflix specials on like home bakers and bread and stuff like maybe a year or two ago, and now it seems like maybe it's not quite as quote unquote trendy, but Your thoughts on the trendiness and what you would refer to yourself as.
• 18:25
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I do think that we were late to the party.
• 18:28
  I Hate Talking: Like I said earlier, I intentionally avoided it because I do not like bandwagons, but I finally gave in.
• 18:37
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, oh, I could have done this years ago.
• 18:40
  I Hate Talking: So, I don't know the title that we're called.
• 18:47
  I Hate Talking: Just sourdough bakers, or I know a big thing that, again, I don't do because probably my issue with being a bandwagoner, but a big thing is people name their sourdough, you know that?
• 19:01
  I Hate Talking: I have heard that before, yeah.
• 19:04
  I Hate Talking: And I do love it, cause I love a good pun.
• 19:06
  I Hate Talking: So people often have puns for their sourdough.
• 19:09
  I Hate Talking: But I do not name mine.
• 19:13
  I Hate Talking: I intentionally don't.
• 19:15
  I Hate Talking: And people will ask sometimes like, what's your sourdough starter's name?
• 19:18
  I Hate Talking: I don't name it.
• 19:19
  I Hate Talking: And I don't have a good reason why.
• 19:21
  I Hate Talking: I just don't desire to.
• 19:23
  I Hate Talking: It's just the sourdough.
• 19:25
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 19:26
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think that's Fair enough.
• 19:29
  I Hate Talking: Like if it was a group of men that was doing this, I think they would call themselves the sour bros.
• 19:34
  I Hate Talking: See, I love a good pun.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: It's so good.
• 19:38
  I Hate Talking: It's weird that I won't do it, but I won't.
• 19:40
  I Hate Talking: I refuse.
• 19:41
  I Hate Talking: Now, a long time ago, when we thought we were going to do the sourdough episode, I did look up this and at the time, I think as sort of an insult people referred to this trend as And the group of people that partook in it, particularly as trad wives.
• 20:00
  I Hate Talking: That's what I was gonna say.
• 20:02
  I Hate Talking: If I was gonna call it anything, the word trad wife comes up.
• 20:05
  I Hate Talking: But I don't feel like that's very catchy, nor is meant in like a very positive way.
• 20:11
  I Hate Talking: Oh, I think that trad wives.
• 20:15
  I Hate Talking: are proud of being child wives.
• 20:18
  I Hate Talking: So for the listeners out there, do you care to explain what that trad wife actually stands for or what it means?
• 20:25
  I Hate Talking: Yes, trad wife, as far as I understand it, would be just shorthand for traditional wife.
• 20:33
  I Hate Talking: So this would be In like the grand scheme and there's all these different connotations that come in and biases.
• 20:41
  I Hate Talking: In my head, a proud wife, AKA traditional wife.
• 20:46
  I Hate Talking: Is a woman who stays home.
• 20:50
  I Hate Talking: Homeschools her kids, has several kids, does the sourdough, maybe grinds her own grain, has, has chickens and a garden.
• 21:02
  I Hate Talking: And her husband works, and that's like their life.
• 21:06
  I Hate Talking: So it's like going back to what it used to be like traditional.
• 21:10
  I Hate Talking: In like the early 1900s.
• 21:13
  I Hate Talking: Like usually they wear.
• 21:15
  I Hate Talking: Lawn dresses, maybe floral lawn flowy dresses, and I am not a trad wife.
• 21:24
  I Hate Talking: I feel like I unintentionally exhibit some of those things because they appeal to me.
• 21:29
  I Hate Talking: I'm not doing it to make a stance or anything.
• 21:34
  I Hate Talking: If you're a working person, I used to work, I do not currently.
• 21:38
  I Hate Talking: I do homeschool, but again, it's not for me, it's not a stance.
• 21:43
  I Hate Talking: It is just, uh, what's in front of us right now.
• 21:48
  I Hate Talking: But I do, do you remember that time that like I was at an event and you came to pick me up and you're like, oh, this is your people.
• 21:57
  I Hate Talking: And they're all dressed exactly like me in a lawn floral dress.
• 22:00
  I Hate Talking: I do remember that.
• 22:01
  I Hate Talking: And you're in fact wearing a floral print shirt right now.
• 22:04
  I Hate Talking: Well, So, yes, um.
• 22:09
  I Hate Talking: So it appeals to me.
• 22:11
  I Hate Talking: I'm, I'm not trying to be a trad wife, but I don't know.
• 22:16
  I Hate Talking: You're just one by default or your trad wife adjacent.
• 22:19
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, either of those is fine, I guess.
• 22:22
  I Hate Talking: It's, I guess my biggest thing is, and again, not being the bandwagon, it's probably the issue.
• 22:26
  I Hate Talking: I feel like some trad wives, it's a stance, like against The government or against.
• 22:34
  I Hate Talking: The patriarchy or I don't know what they're doing, you know, like, it's a stance.
• 22:39
  I Hate Talking: Mine's not a stance.
• 22:40
  I Hate Talking: It's just I really like homeschooling my kids and I love wearing dresses with flowers on them.
• 22:45
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 22:47
  I Hate Talking: So I guess no particular puns that the sourdough bakers refer to themselves, but it sounds like perhaps that category of trad wife is not as negatively connotated as I thought.
• 23:02
  I Hate Talking: But do you think trad wife is a negative connotation?
• 23:05
  I Hate Talking: Like if someone said, your wife is such a trad wife.
• 23:08
  I Hate Talking: Would you take offense?
• 23:10
  I Hate Talking: It would really depend on who it was coming from.
• 23:14
  I Hate Talking: Like if I did not know that person and they were like just said that to me on the street because they saw us or something, I would definitely take that as a insult.
• 23:23
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 23:24
  I Hate Talking: Now if it's in more of our normal circles that we are in, then yes, that's probably meant as actually a compliment.
• 23:32
  I Hate Talking: OK, -- so -- what's offensive to you about being a wife?
• 23:34
  I Hate Talking: Well, nothing is offensive to me as with that term, nor do I find anything that you described that is categorized within that description offensive, but I think people in the modern day and age use that as sort of a insult against traditional values.
• 23:54
  I Hate Talking: But we do intentionally, you work and I say home, and that is intentional.
• 24:01
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that is true.
• 24:03
  I Hate Talking: I again don't have any issue with the term nor the categories contained within.
• 24:09
  I Hate Talking: It's just that I don't think that.
• 24:10
  I Hate Talking: Maybe the Everyday person would agree with that.
• 24:17
  I Hate Talking: Maybe it's a silent majority, maybe not, but I feel like that.
• 24:20
  I Hate Talking: At least a lot of the things that I see within the media would portray Trad wife as sort of a negative connotation.
• 24:28
  I Hate Talking: You know, I think a lot hearing you talk, cause in my head I'm like, you should be proud.
• 24:32
  I Hate Talking: Like, yes, I work, so my wife stays home, like, To me, that should be like a pride thing for you, like, I make enough that she can stay home.
• 24:42
  I Hate Talking: Not like we're rolling, rolling in the dough, but.
• 24:45
  I Hate Talking: You do, you work.
• 24:47
  I Hate Talking: Now we're letting the dough rise.
• 24:49
  I Hate Talking: Exactly, I'll see it depends, but.
• 24:53
  I Hate Talking: I think part of it, I don't know, you can call it my negativity or whatnot.
• 25:00
  I Hate Talking: I hear people always be like, you should be proud that, like if I say I'm a stay at home mom, like, oh no, you're so much more than that.
• 25:07
  I Hate Talking: I guess, but I'm not saying it in a negative way.
• 25:11
  I Hate Talking: I don't feel bad about it.
• 25:12
  I Hate Talking: I'm really, I like it.
• 25:14
  I Hate Talking: And I think in society, People need to like, that's bad, or you should feel bad about it, like, that you're not providing enough to society, and I don't feel that way at all.
• 25:28
  I Hate Talking: So I think maybe that's why I don't feel trad wife, like, I hear some people use it really negatively, or even tried wives themselves, like, their political stances are not mine.
• 25:39
  I Hate Talking: So that's where I'd stand back, but like.
• 25:42
  I Hate Talking: I don't feel bad that I stopped working to be with my kids.
• 25:47
  I Hate Talking: I don't think everyone should.
• 25:49
  I Hate Talking: I think it's great that women work.
• 25:51
  I Hate Talking: And I love that I don't have to.
• 25:54
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go, and maybe the negative connotations that I'm perceiving in.
• 26:00
  I Hate Talking: Mainstream media is just part of Operation Mockingbird.
• 26:05
  I Hate Talking: OK, I still don't know what that is, that next week's episode, or are we going to talk about it right now?
• 26:11
  I Hate Talking: Well, we have asked our listeners to determine if they would like to hear more about that, and I think it's actually quite relevant with some of the news that is coming out about the USAID or as some people like to refer to it as US aid, but that has nothing to do with anything related to the US nor aid.
• 26:31
  I Hate Talking: So perhaps that will be something that we talk about next time or we'll just use it for 35+ episodes and get to it later.
• 26:40
  I Hate Talking: No, cause I want to know what it is, and also, I don't have the motivation to Google it myself or look on Reddit.
• 26:48
  I Hate Talking: So I'm just gonna go on and like post anonymously on our, say, tell me what it is.
• 26:56
  I Hate Talking: Oh, there you go.
• 26:57
  I Hate Talking: So, we'll end this episode with a joke because I have Been saving this joke for however long it has been, it probably has been close to 30 episodes.
• 27:07
  I Hate Talking: And typically I'm not really a joke person, but I thought this was funny and maybe it's because it is a pun, but there were a husband and wife, and they were at a marriage conference and they were sitting together and listening to the lecturer and you know, the lecturer was going on about how that.
• 27:25
  I Hate Talking: There are certain things that, you know, make marriages difficult and some of that has to do with knowledge of the other person and what they like and desire in the relationship.
• 27:37
  I Hate Talking: And the example that he gave at that precise moment was, and he spoke to the men, I bet you don't even know what your wife's favorite flower is.
• 27:46
  I Hate Talking: And the husband nudged the wife and looked her in the eye and whispered, it's self rising, isn't it?
• 27:54
  I Hate Talking: That's a good one.
• 28:00
  I Hate Talking: That's a good one.
• 28:02
  I Hate Talking: I know what kind of humor you like.
• 28:04
  I Hate Talking: Oh yeah.
• 28:08
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.