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Best Of 2026 | Detachable Faces, Red Carnations, and Neighbors · Talk About That

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  Speaker 1: Hey out there to all of our friends from Banter Town,
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  Speaker 1: this is John. As you've probably heard by now after
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  Speaker 1: 10 years of Talk About That episodes airing most every week,
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  Speaker 1: Johnny and I have hit an especially busy season in
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  Speaker 1: both of our lives that has required us to take
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  Speaker 1: a little hiatus from weekly episodes. Hey, but fear not.
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  Speaker 1: We'd still like to bring you some of the best
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  Speaker 1: of Talk About That. These are some of our most
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  Speaker 1: downloaded episodes from the past several years. So whether you're
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  Speaker 1: hearing these conversations again or discovering them for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: we hope you'll enjoy diving back into some of our
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  Speaker 1: favorite talks. As always, thanks so much for listening, and
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  Speaker 1: we hope you enjoy this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Life Audio Today on Talk About That, John reads a
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  Speaker 2: listener email and wishes we could be a zany morning
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  Speaker 2: zoo radio show. Meanwhile, I have an important retraction from
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  Speaker 2: last week because I'm stupid. and tell you about some
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  Speaker 2: wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th century Scotland. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America's addiction to grievance.
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  Speaker 2: Today's episode is not sponsored by driving directions from old people.
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  Speaker 1: Coming at you from Mount Julie, Tennessee, Johnny, it's another
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  Speaker 1: episode of Talk About That.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we're coming at you.
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  Speaker 3: We're coming right at you.
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  Speaker 2: Watch out. It was a very 20-somethings. You don't think I'm...
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  Speaker 2: Like a morning zoo radio show.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen the billboards around town for... They're always...
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  Speaker 1: The billboards for a morning zoo show are always like,
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  Speaker 1: the guys are back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know where they went.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You always have to know their schedules. When we say
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  Speaker 1: we're back, we miss like a week or two. But
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  Speaker 1: I think they just get fired all the time.
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  Speaker 2: We're too consistent is what we are.
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  Speaker 3: We met someone today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. who had listened to all 300 and what? I
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  Speaker 1: think this is almost 50, 350. And I had the idea, like,
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  Speaker 1: we need to be, because there's a restaurant in Mount
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  Speaker 1: Juliet that does specialty hot dogs.
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  Speaker 2: Sure. Corey's Dog House.
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  Speaker 1: And they're from different parts. You get a Memphis dog
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  Speaker 1: and it has this on it.
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  Speaker 2: Not from different parts of the animal. Of the country. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, hot dogs are from different parts.
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  Speaker 2: It's a melange of flavors, really.
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  Speaker 1: And... On the wall, there's like all these Polaroids if
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  Speaker 1: you've eaten all the dogs. And I thought, we need
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  Speaker 1: something like that for the listeners who listen to every episode.
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  Speaker 2: We could put them on this wall because it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of blank back here.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, let's have them take a Polaroid of
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  Speaker 1: themselves and we'll put them on the wall.
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  Speaker 2: And then somebody else said, what's a Polaroid?
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  Speaker 1: And then you said, what if they lied?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, why would somebody?
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  Speaker 3: What's the end game?
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  Speaker 2: If you go to that trouble, you deserve to be
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  Speaker 2: on that wall. If you're willing to jump through those hoops.
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  Speaker 2: And not listen to the episodes, but you desperately want
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  Speaker 2: to be on our wall for some reason?
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  Speaker 1: Right, on a YouTube channel that barely gets any. Now, look, people,
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  Speaker 1: you really could go to this new YouTube channel. It's
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  Speaker 1: not new, but we have a lot of new videos up.
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  Speaker 2: We do. One of our friends, Lucas Wharton, has been
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  Speaker 2: just at it. He's been so just, he's a yeoman.
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  Speaker 2: He's working.
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  Speaker 3: We were probably six months behind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not going to say why.
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  Speaker 2: But we're up to date.
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  Speaker 3: We're up to date.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean you're not going to say why?
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  Speaker 2: Was it my fault?
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  Speaker 3: I was going to pick at one of our other friends,
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  Speaker 3: but he knows.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not his fault. We would never. That's not
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  Speaker 3: our style. I wouldn't even say anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: At any rate, he's actually fairly important.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to blame me, and I
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  Speaker 2: would have... What would you... Was it your fault? No.
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  Speaker 2: That's why... Maybe it was. Do you ever feel that?
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm one of those guys that I think
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  Speaker 2: I was raised that way where... Like when they make
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  Speaker 2: an announcement in the airport, and they go, if you...
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  Speaker 2: I have left a pair of boots at the security.
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  Speaker 1: I go, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think I, when you walk and see the sign that says,
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  Speaker 2: do not try to bring a firearm through this. I go,
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  Speaker 2: do I have, I suddenly go, do I have a firearm? Right.
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  Speaker 3: Even though you don't own, I don't own a firearm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Um, I did leave a bag one time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I had to run it.
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  Speaker 2: It was full of firearms.
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  Speaker 3: It was, they don't like that.
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  Speaker 2: Full to the brim with, they don't like it. Firearms
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  Speaker 2: is a very like, It's like what a caveman would
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  Speaker 2: call a gun. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like
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  Speaker 2: he showed up and he had these arms. Fire came
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  Speaker 2: out of his arms.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It turns your arm into fire.
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  Speaker 1: When I was little, I remember one of the first
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, you tell some jokes sometimes that get
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  Speaker 1: on joke about that. They are very long and drawn
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  Speaker 1: out to just draw you in in the end. It's
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  Speaker 1: some ridiculous thing not related to the joke. I remember
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  Speaker 1: my cousin took me on something like a five minute deal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In the end, the guy had spilled gasoline on himself.
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  Speaker 1: And then a cop pulled up and arrested him.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what?
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  Speaker 3: Why did the cop arrest him? It was like illegal firearms.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, wow, that took me on a journey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll never get that time back. And neither will you,
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  Speaker 2: dear listener.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But it's okay.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, what were we talking about before you said that?
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  Speaker 2: Before I took us, I took us on a rabbit trail.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about YouTube videos.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, but feeling shame, feeling guilt for something you didn't do. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like I thought it would be my fault. Like I
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  Speaker 2: think that there is a, there is a thing inside
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  Speaker 2: me that goes like, It's probably my fault.
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  Speaker 1: My therapist calls that part of me my responsible guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, your responsible guy feels responsible for everything and
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  Speaker 1: everybody and what they do.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to really.
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  Speaker 2: That's an old Sunfield bit. He said, like, when they
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  Speaker 2: tell you you're going to grow up, you get to
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  Speaker 2: be a responsible adult. But he's like, whenever he goes,
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  Speaker 2: who wants to be responsible? Whenever the car accident happens,
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  Speaker 2: the first thing he flies, who's responsible for this? Why
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  Speaker 2: are we in such a hurry to be responsible?
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  Speaker 3: I do find myself wanting to be responsible for less.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No. That's good.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't... Communication's a really funny one.
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  Speaker 3: Like, if you're like.
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  Speaker 1: I always leave the ball in someone else's court, or
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  Speaker 1: if it's in my court, I have to make sure
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  Speaker 1: I do something about it.
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  Speaker 2: You mean like a follow-up with communication? Or like, let's
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  Speaker 2: do dinner! Let's get lunch, dude! Right.
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  Speaker 1: Because in my world, what'll happen is, people are often
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  Speaker 1: hurting or whatever, and easily hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you've hurt them.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it could be something for me, like, sure, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to get together. And then.
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  Speaker 1: Six months later, they're upset about something. They're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you never called. I'm like, whoa, I didn't know I
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  Speaker 1: had it. Because there's an assumption it's my responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're assuming right now that that person has
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  Speaker 2: hurt that's not there, but you're taking it on. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: I bet they're going to be upset, and I'll be blamed.
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  Speaker 3: I have been blamed many times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have. I made it worse.
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  Speaker 1: What did you tell me right before we started, that
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  Speaker 1: you're the only one that cares about the podcast? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but that was just the truth. So we are sitting
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  Speaker 1: in now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, boy. We're not going to do studio talk again.
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  Speaker 3: Almost a fully remodeled.
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  Speaker 2: We spent too much time last week. I wish you
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  Speaker 2: guys could see me. Talking about all the construction.
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  Speaker 1: If Johnny had not wanted so badly the shot that
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  Speaker 1: we have right now, you'd be seeing the most majestic bookcase.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's nice. The built-in shelves with books. So many books, John,
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  Speaker 2: that you've.
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  Speaker 3: So many books.
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  Speaker 2: Very important. Many of which you've written.
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  Speaker 3: Some.
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  Speaker 2: At least parts of.
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  Speaker 3: Some I've even read.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm traced. That's not.
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  Speaker 1: I will say I walked in here yesterday and I
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  Speaker 1: had this feeling of this is a space I want
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  Speaker 1: to work in.
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  Speaker 3: Like I had a real good, like, okay, that makes
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  Speaker 3: me want to do stuff. And that's good.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you should feel in an office. It's like
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  Speaker 1: Creed Bratton. He's like, guys, I finished my work months ago.
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  Speaker 3: Remember that? That's kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, this does feel, it feels conducive to creativity
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  Speaker 2: and productivity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: All of the. Yeah. But yeah, you did it, John.
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  Speaker 2: You got it done. You did the carpeting. I did.
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  Speaker 3: You're very handy. My hamstrings.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was walking around a tournament this weekend, just like
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  Speaker 1: someone stabbed me in the back of my leg every
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  Speaker 1: time I took a step.
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  Speaker 2: They just thought you were old volleyball dad.
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  Speaker 3: Look at that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Just, yeah. Bless his heart.
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  Speaker 3: Looked like I was just, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: He's old parents. What can you do? He just had
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  Speaker 2: a hip replacement.
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  Speaker 3: And God love them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I guess I probably am old enough for hip replacement,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I need to issue a public apology because last week's
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  Speaker 2: episode got like dozens, like tens of thousands of downloads. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I realized after we shot it, the minute we rewrapped,
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  Speaker 2: I said, I think I used a word wrong twice.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Here's the deal, too. Let me
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  Speaker 2: say this about podcasts. We have a podcast. We like podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: But I also think that podcasts are part of what's
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  Speaker 2: wrong with the country because we just let people just
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  Speaker 2: talk authoritatively about things and then they build these little
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  Speaker 2: cults around their shows and they never question like the
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  Speaker 2: Joe Rogans of the world. It's not enough just to
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: like Joe Rogan. It's now like he can't ever be wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And so I never want this show to ever people
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  Speaker 2: think that about us that we're like, well, these people
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  Speaker 2: seem to know what they're talking. No, we don't. And
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  Speaker 2: here's the proof. I said dearth twice last week And
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  Speaker 2: what I thought I meant, what I thought I was
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  Speaker 2: saying was like a surplus of this or a lot
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  Speaker 2: of a plethora. Yeah. But dearth is actually the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: Dearth means scarcity. Right. It means a shortage of.
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  Speaker 3: You wanted it to be like multiplicity.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I was talking about podcasts. I said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: there's a dearth of podcasts. There's not a dearth of podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Johnny's an idiot.
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  Speaker 3: There's a multiplicity.
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  Speaker 2: So what I want to say is that I'm issuing
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  Speaker 2: now a public retraction. And I will not. I'm self-flagellating
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  Speaker 2: in a way. And I will not use big words
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  Speaker 2: like self-flagellate ever again. Ever. Because what happens is people go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this guy must be a smart guy. No, I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: No, he's not.
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  Speaker 2: Don't put your faith in me.
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  Speaker 3: Don't do it.
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  Speaker 2: I say things like dearth when I'm using the exact
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  Speaker 2: wrong word.
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  Speaker 3: And when you used it.
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  Speaker 2: It was the confidence.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a common word that.
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  Speaker 2: I would use. I kind of wink at the camera like, dirt.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Hey, I didn't go to college like you,
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  Speaker 2: but I know words. And no, I don't. Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: I think you may be being a little too hard
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  Speaker 3: on yourself.
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  Speaker 2: My confidence is at an all-time dearth That's wrong again.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder how many of the listeners picked up on.
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  Speaker 2: The misusage. Listen, that's part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Because you're afraid you're just educating.
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  Speaker 2: People, right? No, but I'm thinking I'm trying to head
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  Speaker 2: it off at the pass because I know there's a
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  Speaker 2: letter going, actually, and I'm, no, I don't want that.
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  Speaker 3: See, that's not what I'm worried about.
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  Speaker 1: I'm worried about people who are not familiar with the
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  Speaker 1: word now beginning to think that's what dearth means.
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  Speaker 2: What if they just go use it? They don't listen
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  Speaker 2: to the retraction. Because, again, you are, if they're acolytes
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  Speaker 2: of the show... We're just keeping, we're just keeping piling
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  Speaker 2: them on.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry. Cause then, you know, then they're like, Johnny used
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  Speaker 1: earth like this. I want to look, I say things
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  Speaker 1: all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: This is funny. We have a mutual friend, very close
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  Speaker 3: mutual friend, Caleb.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're, we normally get together every other week
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  Speaker 1: to have breakfast and he went on a cruise with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And so, and I've been, I've been a little, a
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  Speaker 1: little busy on my front as well. And we're hosting
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  Speaker 1: an event right now here and everything. So I was like, dude,
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: I miss you. And he's like, I miss you too.
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  Speaker 1: And he said something, he said, he made a joke
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  Speaker 1: about us getting together, you know, and I said, I'll
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  Speaker 1: be wearing a black carnation. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought, I just thought that's just what I
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  Speaker 3: would say. I'm the guy with the black carnation.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And he said, Johnny used that joke last week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, I've been hanging out with Johnny too much.
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  Speaker 3: This is to your point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because I legitimately thought I just made that up.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I did not think I was like, well, I
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  Speaker 1: usually say red, but, Well, that's the point. Red carnation
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  Speaker 1: is the whole thing. Well, I've told that story on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I made a masculine carnation.
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  Speaker 2: You want to arrest some stupid red carnation. No, I've
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: told that story on the pod before, but I landed
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: at a show. I had an 11 o'clock show at
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: New Year's at a church one time in Kansas. And
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: I get to the hotel at like 4. We do soundcheck.
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  Speaker 2: The guy drops me off. He goes, just get some red,
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  Speaker 2: because I had to take an early flight. He goes,
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  Speaker 2: just get some rest and I'll come pick you up later.
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  Speaker 2: I go, cool. So then I get this text from
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  Speaker 2: that guy. I was barely awake. I'm taking this like
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: three hour nap and I wake up and it's like
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: now it's eight o'clock and he goes, I'll be there
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  Speaker 2: to get you. I'm driving a such and such cutlass.
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  Speaker 2: He had a cutlass. I remember that. And I'm like, man,
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: this is an old car. Yeah. He says, I'll be there.
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  Speaker 2: I've been a red cutlass. And I said, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm half awake, but and I immediately text him. Cool.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be wearing a red carnation. No cops or I
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  Speaker 2: kill the hostage. No, I think what you said is
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  Speaker 2: no cop or the girl dies. And then he did
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  Speaker 2: not respond. And so now I'm like, did he get it?
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  Speaker 2: Did I offend him?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Did he just call the authorities?
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  Speaker 2: Right. I'm getting ready to do a comedy show for
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: this guy. I'm not his vibe, evidently. Because even if
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  Speaker 2: he knows it's a joke, he's like, that's not a joke.
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  Speaker 2: Is he going to say that kind of stuff on stage?
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  Speaker 2: And so later on, I see him at the show.
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  Speaker 2: And I go, hey. I go, did you get my
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  Speaker 2: text earlier? And he goes, oh, yeah. And then he
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  Speaker 2: still didn't give me anything. I wasn't like, I get
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  Speaker 2: what you did. He was just like, yeah, I got it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your problem?
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: So anyway, so that's probably where you remember that from.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, that's an old trope in movies of
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  Speaker 2: I'll be wearing a whatever. I'm sitting, no cops, drop
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  Speaker 2: the money in the trash can in the park.
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  Speaker 1: I was not thinking about Johnny W. at all when
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  Speaker 1: I said that.
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  Speaker 2: You are a no good joke thief. And you must
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  Speaker 2: be stopped.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: I just like me.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: You alter it one little bit. You go, black carnation. Ah,
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: now it's original. Now it's a John... No, it's not.
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: Now it's a John.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Now it's what we call a John in the industry.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: Speaking of industry, John, we've got to keep these lights on,
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: these brand new lights that you have shining on my forehead.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: And to keep those lights on, we have advertisers. We
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: love our advertisers. And we want to take a minute
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: and hear from a few of our fine sponsors. And
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: we're back.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: Just like the billboards say.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: I want a billboard with me and you.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: That says we're back. And they go away so we
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: can miss you.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I saw, if you see these around Nashville,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: it's obviously a staged photo shoot. Right.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: Not like our wonderful.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Where we're just, oh.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: It's evident in that photo.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Those guys hang out.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: Actually, you were making me laugh.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: There, I'm pretty certain. Okay, maybe. I probably said something.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: That's a fun thing. We've done, I think that's our
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: only real photo shoot together, I think.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: And it's funny because we're really laughing the whole time.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we probably were.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: So that makes it easy for the smiling. But one
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: guy's wearing like this, really loud.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one guy's zany.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Zany. And the other guy looks, you know, he's got
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: a full head of hair, you know.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Right. That's me.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: But it's gray.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: It grounds the show. And he's kind of looking, but
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: they're just doing all these like staged....
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: I guess, poses.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: All right, now hold this chicken.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Now put your fingers in your ears and just stare
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: at it.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: The other guy just shouts.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was just like, I didn't, I don't know.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It's all around town. Maybe the show's great.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what we're missing is we don't have that,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: we need more staged. Yeah.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: And I think maybe they're thinking, let's make this look
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: stupid and that'd be funny to them.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: That's what we would probably do.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: We're good at looking stupid without any staging.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: We don't have to even try.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: We don't need help.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Lots of people have to try it.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I will say, I said that a bit, that I
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: care more about the podcast than you. And I think
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: it's not true that I care more. I think I
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: bring more to the podcast. But I think you care more.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: And I will say, you've put a lot of work
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: into all the wiring. Everything, all the wiring's out of
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: the way now. You got your new desk here. We
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: got the thing, the monitor. Everything's looking good. You did
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: a good job.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: You know what it reminded me of? I was driving yesterday,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: and I was in a rental car, and I remember
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: thinking like, in our cars, you lived through this era
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: of when you had your CD player, because I'm listening
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: to the 90s station, 90s on 9, on Sirius XM,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: and they do the whole four-disc CD changer. Remember this track?
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: And they do that to set up the song sometimes,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: where it's like a deep cut from an Alice in
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Chains record or something from the 90s. They go, disc changer,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: and they hear the sound. That sound takes you back.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: It reminded me of CD players. If you If you
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: had the money to get a CD player in your car,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: what you wanted was a CD player with a detachable face. Yeah.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Because people were stealing stereos out of your car. Uh-huh.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: But somehow, you take the face, you've taken every, you know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: they're like, I'm not taking a CD player without a face.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: But then you have a face, the front end of
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: your CD player, and they would give you this clamshell
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: glasses case to put it in. Yeah. So now you're
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: walking around with this weird, and you would take it
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: in like one time, you'd be like, I got my
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: detachable face. All right. Nobody's stealing this. You take it
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: to dinner one time with it, and you're like, I'm
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: never doing that again. I don't care if everybody steals
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: everything I have.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Because back then, you didn't carry an electronic device around
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Now, what I'm saying is, like, it was stupid, but
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: now we never are away from our phone for longer than,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: you know. John lost his phone today, and it blew
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: my mind because I cannot remember the last time I've
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: lost my phone. I'm so attached to it. We're tethered
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: to these phones.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. By the way, we got an email from a listener.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Who had taken on this topic.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, read it. Do you have it?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Because it was. It was nice. And I thought, well,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: you know what? We got one. We're going to change
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: the world. We're not the bad kind of podcasters. We
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: just give misinformation about what dearth means. Right. But other
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: than that, we're good people. We're trying out here.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: We're trying. This is Grant Morgan. Thank you for listening, Grant.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: He said, I recently decided to reduce my phone usage.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I started carrying a book around with me, something we
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: talked about on an episode.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's our idea, but maybe Grant was inspired.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I was like, hey, what if I carried a book?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: We didn't invent books. I want to go ahead and
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: say that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Guys, I've invented a few books. But anyway, instead of
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: reaching for my phone, I start reading. In two weeks,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I've read eight books.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't read that part. I didn't get that far.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I looked at my phone. I really did.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: My mind is clear. My average screen time is down
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to 15 minutes a day. For the first week, I still...
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: All right, now you're just bragging, Grant. He said, I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: would naturally still reach for my phone for the first week,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: but now I no longer even have the urge to
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: reach for my phone. I even started turning my phone
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: completely off on Sundays. Grant, you are my hero. And
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you, that idea I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: had of carrying the book around, I've not done.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I tried one day. Grant
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: is the test case for your theory. Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: He's doing, you know, the Bible talks about hearers and doers.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: He is a doer of the word.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I'm just a hearer only, which means I deceive myself.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I think it's what the scriptures say.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I've been saying it for years, even if the scripture hadn't.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: But well done, man. That's amazing.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Go, Grant.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Let's all.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: 15 minutes. I spent 15. That's one bathroom trip. 15
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: minutes on your phone?
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I had that thought because of the tournament going to
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the bathroom. I thought every person in this entire huge
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: bathroom with all these stalls, they all have their phones
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: with them. And I went to Bucky's and thought the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: same thing. I thought, what would life be like now
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: without a phone?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I like when I'm in the airport and someone is
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: in the stall next to me. And I hear them
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: on a very important business call. And they're like, no,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I can talk now. And I so want to shout out,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: he's on the toilet. Like, I want to ruin his business.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Because he's trying to have a normal encounter. But it's
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: not normal. It's not normal. Just let it go to
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: voicemail and call the guy back when you're not pooping.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Maybe you should like, hey, you got any extra toilet paper?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something. More subtle.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: He's pooping. Hey, John, it's about that time.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, is it?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my quote of the week, a little segment
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: we call They Talked About That.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Let's see if I can get the note here.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: It was better today.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Pretty close.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: It was better. I think we have our monitors a
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: little louder than usual.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we need it. We're going deaf over here.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: I've heard some of the other stuff we've done.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: And we're playing.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: But it sounds like that we've never sang together at all.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: It does. We were in bands, very successful, successful bands.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I did think about, you know, I'm going to do
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: some probably shadow boxes.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I thought about taking the record.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I want a band photo back here too. I want
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: like something.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I thought that was, what you guys can't see
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: is I have a keyboard and two guitars in this
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: other wall.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: And I thought about making that the band wall with
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: all kinds of photos and stuff.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could make it the band wall.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: But I do want it in the shot.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, sure. Maybe both. I will say this.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of Johnny and John pictures.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I got a lot of guitars at the house I
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: could bring over here if you want to put some
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: guitars on this wall.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Can we just line the.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Remember that church we went to play?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: It was for our.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: It was for our.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Our showcase.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Our showcase.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: And they had... Dude, if they had one, they had
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: 250 guitars lining the wall.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And amps. It was amps. A big wall of amps. Yeah.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: And guitars.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And it was like there used to be some guitar
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: factory or something and they kept it anyway.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Joining G.K.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Chesterton, which, man.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Man.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Everything he ever said, I think, was great.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Isn't he the one who won C.S. Lewis to Christ?
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I think that he influenced him.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: He says, the Bible tells us to love our neighbors
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and also to love our enemies, probably because generally they
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: are the same people. Love our neighbors, love our enemies.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And I really think about that right now. There's a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: lot of talk around the country about that. who should
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: be in, who should be out. And I'm not getting
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: into the political side of that or about, I'm not
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: talking about secure borders or all those kinds of things.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I am talking about though, the way we look at
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: people and how we filter scripture. There's certain things like
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: when I was writing Not So Black and White with Reggie,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: there were, it's really not just about race. It's a
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: lot about being willing to change the way you think
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and whether or not the Bible calls you to be
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: willing to change the way you think. And I begin
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: to really spend time in scriptures like, you know, don't
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: renewing of your mind, right? So like in the active
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: present tense, there's a transforming, a renewing of the mind
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that's a part of what God does to form you
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: into who you're going to be.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: So I like the present tense of that.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: And there was another one that was, you know, let
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: your reasonableness be known gentleness, there's different translations, but if
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you do the amplified, it's let your gentleness or your reasonableness, your,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: your tolerance, your kindness, these things, let them be known
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to all men. And I asked this question in the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: book of myself and of the reader. And that is like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: this is a clear, I think imperative from Paul. I'm
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: not going to call it a command, but this is
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a biblical imperative. And I have to ask myself, what
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: am I doing with this right now? Like, what do
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I do with this scripture? If I'm going to invoke scripture,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: what do I do with this one? That it says,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: let my, my gentleness, reasonableness, tolerance, kindness, be known to
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: all people. Yeah. Because the Lord is at hand is
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the end of that. If the Lord is near, like,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and I asked that, and I think that's where this goes.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Like there are people I treat like enemies. They don't
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: have to be enemies of my country or whatever. There
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: are those that I think I dismiss too easily and, Yeah. And,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and this goes down to the definition of neighbor, right?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: When Jesus said, love your neighbor. And then he was
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: asked like, well, Lord, who is my neighbor? And then
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: he goes into the story of the good Samaritan.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: And he's, those guys were not neighbors.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't know each other at all.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: And so he, he, he broadens the idea.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Cause I think we still think of neighbor as the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: person living near you or in your life, but like,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Neighbors are the people you encounter, right?
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Anyone you encounter.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: And I love the Pilgrim's Credo that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: One of the lines in it was, we pray this
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: at church all the time, is I am not in control.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I am not in a hurry.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I greet everyone with peace. I bring back only what
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: God gives me. I think I left one out. I'm
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: not in control. I'm not in a hurry. I greet
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: everyone with peace. Oh, I walk in faith and hope.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I walk in faith and hope. I greet everyone with
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: peace and I bring back only what God gives me.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I just, that really cleanses my soul to say that
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: slowly breathe. As I say it, um, breathe deeply between
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the words. I'm always breathing when I'm talking.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: No, you want to keep breathing. It's important.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: But I think like that idea of part of being
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: on pilgrimage as a disciple, as a follower of Jesus
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: is greeting everyone with peace. Everyone, I'm going to agree
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: with everyone with peace. And like, what am I doing
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: with that today? Um, because I generally, the people I
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: consider my enemies, the Bible considers my neighbors. Yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: That's tough.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: We got to get better at that. That idea of
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: if we could just get rid of the people that
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: are the problem, this would be a better place. And
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: you're like, you're, you're missing the point, you know, when
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you feel like everybody that's not like you should be
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: removed from the equation. I think we're being kind of
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: played against each other. There's an old, like, uh, meme
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that I read and it was basically about if there's
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: red ants and black ants in a jar and they
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: keep fighting at each other and we're trying to figure
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: out who's at fault it's the person shaking the jar
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like we gotta start getting mad at the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: person who's shaking the jar yeah and it's media it's
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: culture it's it's the way the algorithm is kind of
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: geared to make us angry and then monetize that outrage
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: like that's what's shaking the jar but it's making us
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: think if we could just get rid of those red
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: ants yeah you know and it's like no Like, figure
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: out who's behind it, you know?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: And we got to get better at that. And I
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: think I need to get better at it for sure.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: That's a question I don't know if I ever made
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: it into the book, but a lot of things I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: wrote after the book is ask yourself, who made me angry? Like, really,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to your point, trace back the breadcrumb trail. Where did
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: you start becoming angry? What was the source?
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: What was the news source? What was the politician? What
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: was the ideology? What was the pastor? What was the
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: person you follow? Like, who made you angry?
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: But it's easy to dismiss that, too. You say like, well,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: that wasn't that was an awakening in my life. I
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: needed to be.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: And maybe you did.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's that sustained rage, though, that we feel
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: in the country now that's like a boiling over like
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: we need retribution. Yeah. That's not godly to me. I
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: don't think you can make a case that that's some godly,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: righteous indignation. I feel like we're just, this is unhealthy
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I wanted to write a book called Angry Militant Christians.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, because that's a striking title to me, to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: your point. Those things, I'm not saying Christians don't need
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to sometimes serve in the military or defend themselves.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I'm not really speaking to that.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: But if my total disposition is angry and militant, When
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I say militant, I mean like when you drive around
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: our town, there's lots of imagery on people's houses, in
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: their front yard, in their cars that are combining religious
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: symbolism directly with violence.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It's almost like a fantasy of violence too. It's like
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I hope somebody makes a move so that I can
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: live out this thing I've been preparing for. You go...
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: It's okay to prepare. I'm okay with the Second Amendment.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I also think it shouldn't be your weird fever dream
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: to pull out a gun on somebody.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah, I know.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: A local pastor, and I've said that before on the podcast,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: he literally said one day, if you try to take
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: our First Amendment rights, if you try to take our
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: free speech, then we're going to come at you with
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: our Second Amendment rights.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: And this is a pastor from a stage.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: He said it to get cheers.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and did.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And I think like to your point, I think I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: said that the church of the day, like, look, I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: do believe there's, and we had this talk with the staff.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Hey, we're a church.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It's a good start to a staff meeting, by the way. Hey, guys,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: before we get going, we're a church.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I think sometimes it gets lost. We're not a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: community center. We're not a friendship station helping everybody find
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: their best friends.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Because people do.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: They leave our church or any church. And it's sad.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: And not a business. That's a big one now.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: We're not a business.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: We have a business side to what we have to do,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: but we're not running church like a business is the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: worst advice ever given. Um, and it's, but it's a
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: common phrase, especially in our upbringing. And I think that
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: what we are is we're a church, but really we
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: are the church, but we're a local parish, if you
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: want to call it that, right where the church comes.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And so something we're going to say or believe, if
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: we believe anything, it's offensive to somebody. We can't not
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: be offensive to somebody, right? The question is, are we
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: setting out to do that? Or are we trying to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: do this in gentleness and hope that God transforms lives
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: as he is ours, that it's happening with us first,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: as the Bible says, that we're the hardworking farmer should
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: be the first to partake of the crop, right? But
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I also told the church, like, I'm not going to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: be the judge of people, but I think what I
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: should want to think is that God finds a way
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: to show more grace and help to other people. I'm
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: not hoping like, yeah, I hope they get there someday
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: on judgment day. Like there is a there is a,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: why does the wicked prosper part of the scriptures?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: But David always in those scriptures generally returned to his
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: own wickedness by the end.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Like, God, it's my heart. I need you to take
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: care of.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so I can want God to exact the
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: right kind of judgment. And I think we need that
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: by the way. And if this is really important, theologically,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: if you, if the only way you can not walk
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: around angry as you believe is That ultimate judgment and
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: vengeance is God's. Right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: There's somebody at the wheel.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Who's going to take care of this in due time.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: And you may not see it in your lifetime because
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: this is an eternal matter. But you trust he's going
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: to take care of this. He's going to be the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: one who makes the final decisions. I don't have to enforce.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: all the judgment that I feel, right? Because there is
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a judge. So I think it's important because there will
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: be punishment and all those things. But I think it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: also important to know if he enforces it against me,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: who can stand, right? So that's why I need the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: grace of Christ. And I hope that there are others.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Who have it too. Would it be nice if the
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: people who are my enemies, who are my.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Neighbors or whatever, that they also trusted in Christ's judgment,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the judgment that came upon him, so that they received
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the same grace too and not wrath.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I think that that's a good thing.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there used to be a pastor that we sat
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: under for a while, and he would tell this story.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty powerful. He would talk about
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: how the married couples who one was in the faith
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and one was out, let's say it's the wife, she
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: would come to him and say, please, my husband, he's
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: not living right. Just pray for him every week, every
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: week for years. And then finally, one Sunday, he shows
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: up with her, He goes, nine times out of 10,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: she's not there the next week. And he goes, because
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: what I found is a lot of times they don't
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: want redemption. They want revenge. It's almost like it's a
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: talking point of this person is other. Yeah. And just
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: pray for my husband. He treats me bad. But the
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: minute he makes a turn, it's like, did you really
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: want him to turn? Yeah. Or do you want to
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: have a grievance? And you've got to own that part
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: of yourself that wants to have grievance.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Well, you have a right to have grievance. And I
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: think you have to realize the grievance sits in a seat, right,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: in your mind. And that seat's still going to be
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: there even if it's vacated by the grievance. And it's
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: hard not to put something else there, like you said,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: vengeance or something else. You have to choose something different
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: because that space is taken up in your mind.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that today at lunch about how athletes,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: when they retire, like when Jordan retired, he didn't know
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: what to do with himself. He comes back with the Wizards.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: It's like you can't get that same juice back. So
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: half of them become like gambling. They get into businesses.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: They throw their money into some restaurant that fails, whatever
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: it is, because they were on national television playing this
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: kids game that they loved and they were the best
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: in the world at it. They don't know how to
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: get that. So, yeah, there's that thing, like you said,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: that thing that you get a little juice from, it's
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: taken away. And now it's like, well, now what do
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I do? I'm not I don't get to be mad anymore. Yeah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Like we got to admit that we have not just
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: an anger problem. We have an anger addiction problem.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, my therapist says anger reveals something you
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: care about.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Something you defend.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: If you're angry just because you care about something generally
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: that's been hurt or whatever, you're protecting something. It's an
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: emotion that reveals other emotions or reveals values. And so
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that's why it's so hard to get people to stop
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: being angry is because I think they really have a
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: legitimate something they care about. And if you're saying what
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you care about doesn't matter, stop being angry, then we
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: never get anywhere. That's why the addiction is so easy
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: to happen.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a time to be passionate and an activist
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: about things. And I think there's also a time to
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: look toward reconciliation and look towards redemption. And I mean,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: we're in a strange cycle right now in this country. So, yeah,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: we'll see how it plays out. And it's hard for
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: me to relinquish that control because I want to worry
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: about it. I know that it doesn't help. And I
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: also don't know what to do with the worry. But
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: it's just a strange time. So, yeah, I need the same.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I need that advice, too. You might say there's a
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: dearth of options, John, which means not many. There's a scarcity.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Here we go. John, let's move to my segments. The
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: first one is Johnny's old jokes. We call it Joke
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: About That. Joke About That. John, I asked an old man,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: even after 60 years of being married, how can you
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: still call your wife honey, darling, and sweetheart? He replied, well,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I forgot her name 10 years ago, and I'm scared
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to ask her. It's an old man joke. I like it. John,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: two cows are talking in a field. The first cow says, hey, man,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you worried about this mad cow disease that's going around?
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: The second cow says, I'm sure glad it doesn't affect
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: us helicopters. And finally, John, archaeologists digging in a pyramid.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: in Egypt have found a mummy covered in chocolate and
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: hazelnuts and believe it to be Pharaoh Roche.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: True story, guys.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: That one, I like that one the best. That's my favorite.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Pharaoh Roche.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: That's a nice play on words.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: It's a nice little.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It's not quite as good as Hatchback.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Of Notre Dame, but it's fine.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: John, your joke will not make it in the show,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and I'm sorry for you. John, let's move on. Let's
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: do This Week in History. We call it Talk About Then. John,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: this week, 1981, this story became a movie, which I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: didn't know. I don't think I've seen this movie. John Cusack.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: It's called Money for Nothing in 1993. But the story
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: happened in 1981. February of 1981, Joey Coyle picked up
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: $ 1. 2 million that fell out of an armored car and
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: went on a wild spending spree.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: He was arrested six days later, but acquitted by reason
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: of temporary insanity. I don't know. That's a wild defense
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: that it worked. They're like, well, yeah, 1.2 million. He
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: was temporarily insane. And they acquitted him. But he committed
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: suicide less than one month before the film was released.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: So I guess he lived another 10 years. But that's
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: pretty crazy. And you hear that about lottery winners and stuff, too.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: This is a really weird, impactful thing in his life.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: And who knows if he even had anything of substance
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: that he kept from the spending spree. Maybe he had
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: to return it all. And that's part of the acquittal process.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: But what a strange thing. But it made me think, like,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Have you ever found a wallet? Have you ever lost
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: a wallet and somebody returns it and everything was still
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: in it? Like you had those moments? You would return
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the wallet. You're a pastor. You're not going to. What
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: does that mean? Do you go through the wallet?
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you got to find out who to take
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: it to.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: And since you're already there.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, look, Amex Black Card. What do you know? Man,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I've bought a flight to bring this back to you.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: You're like, I don't think you understand how any of
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: this works. Yeah, that's the thing, too. We're depending on,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: you talk about the neighbor thing. We are going to
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: be depending on each other's kindness more and more because
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: the robots are all out to get us. There's AI scams.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: There's all this stuff. We need real people to actually
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: take care of each other because we're getting rid of
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: this because we're going to have to fight these robots.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, today I got.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: A text from someone trying to get me to pay
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: a parking violation that I did not.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I meant to tell you, I borrowed your car and
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: your wallet. John, this week, 1935. Radar was first demonstrated
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: by British physicist Robert Watson Watt. Radar is an acronym
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: for radio detection and ranging. Did you know that? Radar
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: was one of those words. It's kind of like scuba
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: is self-contained underwater breathing apparatus. And then we already determined
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: that tuba was also an acronym for terrible underwater breathing apparatus. Okay.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: But radar is one of those words. First demonstrate. I
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: don't even know if I could tell you how radar,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: what it does. What is radar doing?
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I think it sends out a signal.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: It's like sonar in the air, right?
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it bounces off of something and then creates then
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a grid.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: You always see it represented in like a cartoon, like
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: those eccentric circles going up. That's what I'm sensing. Don't
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: bats use radar?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: They're not fully blind, but they do use radar echolocation.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: They're just legally blind?
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not good with the law. John,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: this week, 1788... the state of Franklin ceased to exist.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: We've talked a little bit about the state of Franklin.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't know a lot about it, but I was
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: raised in East Tennessee. And it was created in 1784
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: when East Tennessee declared itself an independent state. However, Congress
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: denied its legitimacy.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: It was right there in, what's the town where the, right,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: it's not, you can see the smokestacks, but you're not
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: there yet.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: When you come down 40, you can see the Oak
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Ridge smokestacks. Oh, Claxton.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Is it claxton's right there bull run steam plant the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: big steam plant there yeah but that's claxton area.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Okay clinton it's the no it's the no no no
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: it's the it's the exit my in-laws used to live
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: off of right there and no no no no you're
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: thinking of the other was when they moved to 10
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: mile oh but that was like a good again.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: But anyway it was right there we i know that
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: yeah i know that area i had no idea it
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: was its own little they what i don't know what
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: They made themselves their own state? How do you do...
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Was Benjamin Franklin behind this? Is that why it was
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: called the State of Franklin?
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I don't think they named it.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: They named it after him, but it was just a
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: bunch of.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: He's still alive except in 88.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: What did he think about this? Let's get him on
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the phone. Kingston.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Kingston.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, sure.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I just couldn't get there.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: John, this week, French psychologist and pharmacist Emile Kuh... Kuh, cowl. Emile... C-O-U-E.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: There's a French name every week right now. I love it.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Emile Howell was born. He created the psychotherapeutic technique. This
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: is interesting because you were talking about saying a credo.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And repeating it and how it has an effect. Like,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: creeds do have an effect. But his technique was called,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: named after him, cowism, cuckooism? I don't know. Which was
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: based on repeating the saying, day by day, in every way,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I'm getting better and better. day by day in every
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: way i'm getting better and better this was to be
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: repeated up to 20 times a day preferably in the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: morning and before going to bed wow So it reminds
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: me so much of what about Bob when he's like
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: walking through traffic and he's doing his affirmations like, I
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: feel good. I feel great. I feel wonderful. I feel good.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: And then somebody walks by him. They're cursing him under
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: their breath, a bum or whatever. He's like, I feel good.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I feel great. He's like panicking as he says it,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: but he's still saying it. I love it. Well, that
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: was Emil.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Well, it's actually interesting because I study a lot about.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Neural pathways.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: OK. And I think that's really what that's about.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Whether he did that or not, but you can.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I need to find out if it actually was legitimate.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: There are neurofeedback things that they can now trace your brainwaves,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: but they can make you try to slow or speed
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: up a video with your mind.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: And what you're doing is you're forging a neuropathway. I
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: think words are one of the ways. And I think
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: we did a quote about that. If we didn't, I
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: need to. Tim Keller talked about how words, they reinforce
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and give life to ideas. And I think he said, like,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: if you're mad at someone, but then you go, you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I hate them.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I wish I could punch them.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: He's like, now you want to do that more because.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: You said that. And so it reinforces it. So it's
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: not a positive.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I think maybe some of the positive confession stuff we
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: were raised with had some legitimacy to it in terms
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: of it does.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: No, I do think there's something to like, like you said,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: giving room for your positive or negative thoughts to grow
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: or fester if it's a negative thought is important. can
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: be damaging or helpful. I just, the whole idea of
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: like manifest destiny and like we can just, every word
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: is magic.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Right, don't ever speak death over anything in your life.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Right, don't even ever admit you're in a problem. Your
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: car's on fire. You can't say my car's on fire. Right.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Because you're giving.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: My car's not on fire in Jesus' name.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: That's what we hear.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's a limit, but also there
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: is something to it. If you're around positive people, they
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: generally have a better outlook, and they're way more fun
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: to be around. I will say that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: People that go.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I've been trying to find someone.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Okay. We'll keep working. Yeah. John, finally,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: this week is Leap Day. also known as Bachelor's Day,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: in 1288, Scotland enacted a law. This is wild. Scotland
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: enacted a law in 1288 allowing women to propose marriage
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: on leap day. The man was fined if he refused.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: What?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: The woman was required to wear a red petticoat while proposing.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of stipulations. There's a lot of rules.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: 1288 was wild in Scotland. Let me just say that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: If a woman walks up in a red petticoat, run! Yeah,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: because you have to. Unless you just, like, can't wait.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: She can propose to you, and you can be fined
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: for refusing? Wow. We're not talking about proposing, hey, let's
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: go get a cup of coffee. We're saying marriage. Yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Did she have to get on one knee? What was
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: going on? I don't know. It's like a Sadie Hawkins,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: but for real. It's like, you're in trouble, dude. Yeah.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: That's right around 1266, I think, was the Norman Conquest.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: The UK. There's a lot happening there.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I think you're just trying to show that you know
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: a lot and neither of these two events are linked. No,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to say like... I think 1277 was the
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: first solar eclipse that was... That doesn't have anything to
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: do with red petticoats, John.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I think I had a book about that over here.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: There's a great new book about that called John and
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: the Red Petticoat. My John Driver with John Driver. Is
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: that how you ended up with Laura? She had a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: wild hair and got her head petticoat on?
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I told her the day, especially after listening to my
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: 18-year-old self, I.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Was like, what were you thinking?
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: No, she blew it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: She should have shopped, and she didn't.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, she could have done so much better.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Well, it's too late now.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: It's 25 years this year.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: But it's not too late for you, dear listener. John,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: how can people find more about the show and listen
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: to earlier episodes?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: You put on a red pad. You go to talkaboutthatpodcast.com.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: And if you refuse, you are fined. It's right there
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: in the rules.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: You are now married to us. No, we're not a cult. Listen,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: we don't do that stuff here. We'll just be friends.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: How about that? John, if you click on the upper
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: right-hand link, you can get ad-free content. Support the show.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: We love our patrons so much. If you want to
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: send a note, like our pal did about his book reading,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: you can go to hello at talkaboutthatpodcast.com. Fire off an
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: email to that address. We'll receive it. Every now and again,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: we read those notes on the show, but we always
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: read them, and it warms our hearts. Yeah.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: We read them in our hearts, even if you don't.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: That's how I read. I can't.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: In my heart.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I read with my heart.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: You should check out Johnny W. at J-O-N-N-I-E-W.com for new
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: tour days, man.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: This episode will be coming out on Thursday, and I
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: have a show. If you're listening to this and you're
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: in East Tennessee, I am in Lenore City tonight doing
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: a show, and it's for a guy who does a
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: mission endeavor in Guatemala. All the proceeds to the show
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: go to that. Go to my website. Get tickets for that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: If you're in Milwaukee, March 1st, Saturday, I'm doing a
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: show with my buddy, Sean Reynolds. He's hilarious. It's a
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: two-man show. We're going to have a great time. That's
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: at Fox River Christian Center, March 1st, this Saturday. And
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: if you miss those, if you're listening to this and
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: you're late, you're like, ah, we blew it. Sorry, Milwaukee. Sorry,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Lenore City. But go to the website. There's other dates.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: A lot more dates coming up.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: There's more coming up.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Exciting things happening all around. The new studio, Johnny. New
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: tour dates.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It's fancy. We fancy it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: New YouTube look. Come on, man. It's happening. Thank you
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: guys for enjoying the ride with us. Let's do it
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: again next week here on Talk About That.