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- 0:00SPEAKER_00: AI sold our notes, but can it improve care?
- 0:04SPEAKER_00: Written by Callum Trott.
- 0:07SPEAKER_00: Sponsored by Preve.
- 0:10SPEAKER_00: Thousands of physios use Preve to automate treatment plans,
- 0:14SPEAKER_00: exercises, programs, notes and letters.
- 0:17SPEAKER_00: And those physios see patients twice as often.
- 0:21SPEAKER_00: You can get AI built for physios with Preve.
- 0:25SPEAKER_00: Use code CHEW26 for 10% off.
- 0:31SPEAKER_00: A few years ago,
- 0:32SPEAKER_00: if you asked most clinicians what they wanted AI to do,
- 0:36SPEAKER_00: write my notes, would have been pretty high on the list.
- 0:39SPEAKER_00: Which is fair enough.
- 0:40SPEAKER_00: Nobody became a physiotherapist because they had a deep passion for clinical documentation.
- 0:45SPEAKER_00: AI scribes have become remarkably good at solving that problem.
- 0:48SPEAKER_00: They listen to our consultations,
- 0:50SPEAKER_00: turn conversations into structured notes and draft letters
- 0:53SPEAKER_00: before we finished our coffee.
- 0:55SPEAKER_00: But after more than a decade treating patients and running clinics,
- 0:58SPEAKER_00: I've come to think we've aimed AI at the easiest part of the problem.
- 1:02SPEAKER_00: Whilst notes are frustrating,
- 1:03SPEAKER_00: the bigger admin problem is everything required to deliver good care
- 1:07SPEAKER_00: between appointments.
- 1:12SPEAKER_00: Think about what happens after a fairly normal MSK consultation.
- 1:17SPEAKER_00: You might need to update the patient's exercise program,
- 1:20SPEAKER_00: film a new exercise,
- 1:21SPEAKER_00: find the right video, and write down the sets, reps, and loading parameters.
- 1:25SPEAKER_00: You might want to send the patient a summary of what you think Perhaps there's
- 1:33SPEAKER_00: an insurer's form that needs completing before another block
- 1:36SPEAKER_00: of treatment is approved.
- 1:38SPEAKER_00: Then there's the patient you haven't seen for three weeks who you were supposed
- 1:41SPEAKER_00: to book again in seven days.
- 1:43SPEAKER_00: Should you message them?
- 1:44SPEAKER_00: Has reception already tried?
- 1:46SPEAKER_00: What were their goals again?
- 1:48SPEAKER_00: Did they stop coming because they were better?
- 1:51SPEAKER_00: Because they weren't improving?
- 1:52SPEAKER_00: Because life got busy?
- 1:54SPEAKER_00: Or because they forgot why the next appointment mattered?
- 1:56SPEAKER_00: None of these jobs are particularly difficult,
- 1:58SPEAKER_00: but multiply them by 12 patients a day,
- 2:01SPEAKER_00: 5 days a week, and suddenly good patient care has generated a second job.
- 2:05SPEAKER_00: That's the opportunity in AI that interests me most.
- 2:08SPEAKER_00: Not simply making the documentation of care faster, but making the delivery of good care easier.
- 2:15SPEAKER_00: We started with clinician-centered AI.
- 2:18SPEAKER_00: The first wave of healthcare AI has understandably been clinician-centered.
- 2:22SPEAKER_00: Documentation is repetitive,
- 2:24SPEAKER_00: expensive, and unpopular, so we built machines that could do more of it for us.
- 2:30SPEAKER_00: Whilst that's a win, faster notes don't necessarily mean better care.
- 2:35SPEAKER_00: If an AI scribe saves me 30 minutes at the end of the day, I've improved my working life.
- 2:41SPEAKER_00: If AI helps my patient understand their diagnosis,
- 2:43SPEAKER_00: remember their exercises,
- 2:45SPEAKER_00: see their progress,
- 2:46SPEAKER_00: and stay engaged with their rehabilitation,
- 2:48SPEAKER_00: we may have also improved their life too.
- 2:51SPEAKER_00: All practitioners want to deliver optimal patient care,
- 2:54SPEAKER_00: but we're often limited in what's achievable by the number of hours in the day,
- 2:58SPEAKER_00: and this is where AI for physiotherapy starts to become much more interesting.
- 3:04SPEAKER_00: Exercise adherence in MSK care is hardly a solved problem.
- 3:07SPEAKER_00: Recent reviews continue to describe uptake and adherence
- 3:10SPEAKER_00: to exercise-based rehabilitation as suboptimal.
- 3:15SPEAKER_00: We also know that adherence isn't simply a matter of telling someone to do their exercises.
- 3:20SPEAKER_00: Self-efficacy, social support, goal setting, instruction and demonstration are all relevant.
- 3:27SPEAKER_00: Digital interventions aren't a magic wand either.
- 3:29SPEAKER_00: A systematic review and meta-analysis found
- 3:32SPEAKER_00: that digital rehabilitation improved therapeutic exercise adherence
- 3:35SPEAKER_00: at intermediate follow-up, but not consistently at short or long-term follow-up.
- 3:40SPEAKER_00: The lesson clearly isn't to throw more technology at patients,
- 3:43SPEAKER_00: but rather to make the care we are already trying to provide more individualized,
- 3:48SPEAKER_00: consistent, and easier to act upon.
- 3:51SPEAKER_00: The gap between knowing and doing Most clinicians already know what good care looks like.
- 3:57SPEAKER_00: We know patients need clarity about their condition,
- 4:00SPEAKER_00: we understand the importance of regular goal setting,
- 4:02SPEAKER_00: and we know progress should be measured and visible.
- 4:06SPEAKER_00: We're also clear on the benefits of inter-appointment check-ins and the importance
- 4:10SPEAKER_00: of following up with patients who have dropped out of care prematurely.
- 4:13SPEAKER_00: But there is often a gap between knowledge and execution.
- 4:17SPEAKER_00: A busy clinician can genuinely believe in all of those things and still finish
- 4:20SPEAKER_00: a Tuesday afternoon with three exercise programs to update,
- 4:23SPEAKER_00: two insurer forms to complete and a patient from last week they meant to follow up.
- 4:28SPEAKER_00: What does patient-centered AI actually look like?
- 4:33SPEAKER_00: Imagine finishing a consultation and before your patient has walked out of
- 4:36SPEAKER_00: the clinic, they receive a message with an up-to-date treatment plan.
- 4:39SPEAKER_00: Not a generic post-appointment email, but their plan in a living portal.
- 4:43SPEAKER_00: It explains the working diagnosis in understandable language,
- 4:46SPEAKER_00: their goals and objective measures are there,
- 4:48SPEAKER_00: progress since their initial assessment is visible,
- 4:51SPEAKER_00: their exercise program reflects what you discussed five minutes earlier,
- 4:54SPEAKER_00: and their recommended appointment schedule is clear.
- 4:58SPEAKER_00: Then you see them again next week and rather than recreating the document,
- 5:01SPEAKER_00: the new consultation updates it.
- 5:04SPEAKER_00: Their shoulder flexion has moved from 120 to 150 degrees.
- 5:08SPEAKER_00: Progress measure automatically updates.
- 5:10SPEAKER_00: They're back to swimming twice a week.
- 5:12SPEAKER_00: The goal updates.
- 5:14SPEAKER_00: You've progressed their external rotation exercise.
- 5:16SPEAKER_00: The rehab program automatically progresses with their newly prescribed exercise.
- 5:22SPEAKER_00: The treatment plan becomes a living representation of their rehabilitation rather
- 5:25SPEAKER_00: than a PDF that was accurate for approximately seven minutes
- 5:29SPEAKER_00: after their initial assessment.
- 5:32SPEAKER_00: Another example is Exercise Prescription.
- 5:34SPEAKER_00: Historically, creating a genuinely individualized program has been surprisingly fiddly.
- 5:38SPEAKER_00: Search a library,
- 5:39SPEAKER_00: find something close enough,
- 5:41SPEAKER_00: add instructions,
- 5:41SPEAKER_00: change dosage,
- 5:42SPEAKER_00: and maybe even film the patient on their phone if you can't find what you're looking
- 5:46SPEAKER_00: for with no record of the video for the practitioner.
- 5:49SPEAKER_00: Now imagine the exercise content being created from what
- 5:52SPEAKER_00: the practitioner actually says during the appointment.
- 5:56SPEAKER_00: A suitable video can be automatically matched.
- 5:59SPEAKER_00: An AI-generated image can demonstrate an unusual exercise that doesn't exist in the library.
- 6:03SPEAKER_00: Or better still,
- 6:04SPEAKER_00: you can film the patient performing their own exercise correctly and add it
- 6:07SPEAKER_00: to their program in real time.
- 6:10SPEAKER_00: The clinician still makes the clinical decisions,
- 6:12SPEAKER_00: but AI removes the effort required to turn that decision into something useful
- 6:16SPEAKER_00: and accessible for the patient.
- 6:19SPEAKER_00: So what about when the patient disappears?
- 6:23SPEAKER_00: This might be the part I'm most interested in and excited by.
- 6:26SPEAKER_00: We talk a lot about exercise adherence in physiotherapy,
- 6:29SPEAKER_00: but we talk less about treatment plan adherence.
- 6:32SPEAKER_00: Imagine a patient presents with a problem that we reasonably expect will require
- 6:36SPEAKER_00: a period of rehabilitation.
- 6:38SPEAKER_00: Together, we establish some goals and start treatment.
- 6:41SPEAKER_00: Then somewhere between feeling a bit better and actually rebuilding
- 6:44SPEAKER_00: the capacity required for their goal, they disappear.
- 6:48SPEAKER_00: Historically, our systems haven't been particularly sophisticated at handling this.
- 6:52SPEAKER_00: Maybe reception runs a recall list,
- 6:54SPEAKER_00: or the practitioner notices an empty space in the diary and remembers them.
- 6:58SPEAKER_00: Maybe nobody does.
- 7:00SPEAKER_00: What if the software already understood the plan?
- 7:04SPEAKER_00: It knows the patient was recommended to return in 7 days, and it knows they haven't booked.
- 7:08SPEAKER_00: It knows their goal was to get back to running 10km but only progressed to 3km
- 7:12SPEAKER_00: at their last review.
- 7:14SPEAKER_00: That creates the possibility of a very different automated message to patients.
- 7:18SPEAKER_00: Not, hi John, you're due for an appointment.
- 7:21SPEAKER_00: But something close to,
- 7:23SPEAKER_00: hi John,
- 7:24SPEAKER_00: at like your last appointment,
- 7:25SPEAKER_00: you'd built your running back to three kilometers and we're working
- 7:27SPEAKER_00: towards your goal of 10 kilometers.
- 7:29SPEAKER_00: Your next review was planned for this week so we can reassess your progress
- 7:32SPEAKER_00: and adjust your loading.
- 7:33SPEAKER_00: Tom has a free spot tomorrow at 3 p.m. Would you like to book that?
- 7:38SPEAKER_00: Add a one-click booking option based on their usual clinic,
- 7:40SPEAKER_00: practitioner and appointment preferences
- 7:42SPEAKER_00: and suddenly following up patients doesn't require the clinician
- 7:45SPEAKER_00: to spend their lunch break trawling through a recall list.
- 7:48SPEAKER_00: And importantly,
- 7:49SPEAKER_00: the purpose isn't to squeeze another appointment out of someone
- 7:52SPEAKER_00: who doesn't need one.
- 7:53SPEAKER_00: If the patient has reached their goal,
- 7:55SPEAKER_00: brilliant,
- 7:55SPEAKER_00: the purpose is to reduce the number who accidentally fall off
- 7:58SPEAKER_00: a plan they haven't finished.
- 8:01SPEAKER_00: Horizontal AI versus Vertical AI.
- 8:04SPEAKER_00: This is where I believe healthcare AI will increasingly diverge.
- 8:08SPEAKER_00: A general medical scribe has an extraordinary broad job,
- 8:12SPEAKER_00: such as understanding conversations across different professions,
- 8:15SPEAKER_00: specialties, conditions, and workflows.
- 8:17SPEAKER_00: But an MSK clinician doesn't just need software that understands general medicine.
- 8:22SPEAKER_00: We need software that specifically understands MSK care,
- 8:25SPEAKER_00: both in terms of content and practitioner workflow.
- 8:29SPEAKER_00: That's the difference between horizontal and vertical AI.
- 8:32SPEAKER_00: A horizontal AI system might understand that I said three sets of eight split squats
- 8:37SPEAKER_00: and document it correctly,
- 8:38SPEAKER_00: whereas AI built for the vertical of physiotherapy would automatically convert that
- 8:43SPEAKER_00: into rehab videos or images and deliver it to a patient's phone
- 8:47SPEAKER_00: and track daily progress.
- 8:49SPEAKER_00: It would understand that today's objective measures may represent progress
- 8:52SPEAKER_00: against measures taken four weeks ago and track these improvements over time in
- 8:56SPEAKER_00: a way that's visible for both the practitioner and the patient.
- 9:00SPEAKER_00: And it understands that the patient's goals,
- 9:02SPEAKER_00: treatment plan,
- 9:02SPEAKER_00: exercises,
- 9:03SPEAKER_00: outcome measures,
- 9:04SPEAKER_00: appointment recommendations,
- 9:05SPEAKER_00: and clinical record are a continuum or relevant context across appointments rather
- 9:11SPEAKER_00: than six unrelated pieces of information.
- 9:15SPEAKER_00: This has been a major lesson for me while building PREEV.
- 9:18SPEAKER_00: Full disclosure, my interest in this isn't entirely academic.
- 9:21SPEAKER_00: I'm a physiotherapist and clinic owner,
- 9:23SPEAKER_00: and these frustrations were a large part of why we built PREEV in the first place.
- 9:27SPEAKER_00: From day one,
- 9:28SPEAKER_00: it was about building a tool
- 9:29SPEAKER_00: that was centered around better patient care whilst also doing the heavy lifting for
- 9:33SPEAKER_00: the practitioner.
- 9:35SPEAKER_00: What happens in the real world?
- 9:38SPEAKER_00: We're now starting to see what happens when AI is applied to
- 9:40SPEAKER_00: the patient journey rather than just the clinical record.
- 9:43SPEAKER_00: In an internal study across hundreds of practitioners using Preve,
- 9:47SPEAKER_00: we've seen uplifts of more than 95% in patient visitation rates due
- 9:52SPEAKER_00: to those patients having an updated treatment plan.
- 9:55SPEAKER_00: That's obviously not the same as evidence from a randomized controlled trial,
- 9:58SPEAKER_00: and visitation shouldn't be treated as a clinical outcome in itself,
- 10:01SPEAKER_00: but it is exciting.
- 10:03SPEAKER_00: Particularly because adherence to physiotherapy and exercise remains challenging,
- 10:06SPEAKER_00: and interventions including goal setting,
- 10:08SPEAKER_00: written instructions,
- 10:09SPEAKER_00: feedback,
- 10:09SPEAKER_00: and communication have all been investigated as ways of improving engagement.
- 10:14SPEAKER_00: We've also seen clinics report around a 50% increase
- 10:17SPEAKER_00: in monthly five-star Google reviews after implementing AI that focuses on
- 10:21SPEAKER_00: a more patient-centric model of care.
- 10:24SPEAKER_00: Again, Google reviews aren't an outcome measure,
- 10:27SPEAKER_00: but they are a useful window into something we probably don't measure enough,
- 10:31SPEAKER_00: the patient's perception of the care surrounding the treatment.
- 10:34SPEAKER_00: Do they understand what's happening?
- 10:36SPEAKER_00: Can they see their progress?
- 10:37SPEAKER_00: Do they know what they're working towards?
- 10:39SPEAKER_00: Do they feel looked after during their other 167 hours of the week
- 10:43SPEAKER_00: when they're not standing in our treatment room?
- 10:45SPEAKER_00: And then there's the clinician.
- 10:47SPEAKER_00: In our clinic data,
- 10:48SPEAKER_00: the practitioners using this broader workflow are saving around
- 10:51SPEAKER_00: an additional hour per day of administration compared
- 10:54SPEAKER_00: with practitioners already using an AI scribe for notes and letters.
- 10:58SPEAKER_00: The additional saving comes from the other work, plans,
- 11:01SPEAKER_00: exercises, forms, communication, and follow-up, the stuff surrounding good care.
- 11:06SPEAKER_00: Perhaps we asked AI the wrong question.
- 11:09SPEAKER_00: The conversation around AI in healthcare has understandably started with,
- 11:13SPEAKER_00: how much time can this save the clinician?
- 11:15SPEAKER_00: It's a good question, because clinician burnout and administrative burden matter.
- 11:19SPEAKER_00: Nobody benefits when skilled healthcare professionals spend their evenings writing notes.
- 11:23SPEAKER_00: But perhaps there's a better question.
- 11:26SPEAKER_00: What could I do for every patient if time was no longer the constraint?
- 11:30SPEAKER_00: Could every patient leave with a clear plan?
- 11:32SPEAKER_00: Could every exercise program actually reflect what happened in the room?
- 11:36SPEAKER_00: Could progress always be visible?
- 11:38SPEAKER_00: Could insurer paperwork be completed before it delays care?
- 11:42SPEAKER_00: Could every patient who unexpectedly drops off receive
- 11:46SPEAKER_00: a personalized message reminding them what they're working towards?
- 11:49SPEAKER_00: Could we provide a level of communication
- 11:54SPEAKER_00: And continuity that currently requires an impossibly organized clinician with unlimited time.
- 12:01SPEAKER_00: That's where AI gets exciting for me.
- 12:03SPEAKER_00: Not because I want less clinician involvement,
- 12:05SPEAKER_00: but because I want the clinician's limited time spent on the things
- 12:08SPEAKER_00: that actually require a clinician.
- 12:10SPEAKER_00: Things like listening,
- 12:11SPEAKER_00: reasoning,
- 12:12SPEAKER_00: reassuring, educating, motivating, connecting, and using their physical skills.
- 12:16SPEAKER_00: The first generation of clinical AI gave many practitioners some hours of their evenings back.
- 12:22SPEAKER_00: But the next generation has a bigger opportunity.
- 12:25SPEAKER_00: Perhaps the best measure of AI
- 12:26SPEAKER_00: in physiotherapy won't be how many minutes it saves us after an appointment,
- 12:30SPEAKER_00: but rather how much better we become at looking after this patient before
- 12:34SPEAKER_00: the next one.