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- 0:05You are listening to Tom's Hirshprung's Podcast, where our provide a look into the
- 0:09remarkable experiences of the most inspiring people around Hirshprung's disease and sports. Hello and
- 0:39welcome to episode seventeen of Tom's Hirshprung's podcast. Very special guests. This week,
- 0:46I have Laura O'Reilly with me. Laura is very much into fitness,
- 0:50socializing, traveling, a former podcaster as well, and we're going to talk
- 0:56about Laura's story. Welcome to the podcast, Laura, how So I love
- 1:00I love a good podcast, as you know. Also, I'm very happy
- 1:03to be here and speak on things hence fitness and what I like to harp
- 1:07on a lot. Fantastic. We will definitely get into health, well being,
- 1:14fitness, but I'd like to start, if I may, with your
- 1:19story and sort of we're going to sort of take it back pre diagnosis,
- 1:25sort of diagnosis of of ibing t so, pre diagnosis. What was your
- 1:33life like pre diagnoses? God, I was a completely different person in terms
- 1:42of how I lived my life and my life stay so I was very sociable.
- 1:48I would say I'm still quite sociable, but very very asocially, it's
- 1:51very differently now. So my life pre diagnoses, I was probably priority in
- 1:57a lot every weekend, most again and traveling a lot, different countries,
- 2:04different festivals. I act and drank not very well, and I never looked
- 2:15after myself physically. I would have always been quite a head strong person in
- 2:20terms of my mentality, but physically and really looking air after my body.
- 2:27Something as simple as drinking enough water like I never did that. So I
- 2:31my health then then went down the hill. Obviously not just because of that,
- 2:37because we know that's not the cause of ABD, but at the same
- 2:39time, I never helped myself until I got sick and I was diagnosed with
- 2:50SO in the June. It was actually in twenty twenty, and like the
- 2:53high of lockdown, you could say, I just started noticing blood in the
- 3:00stool, and then more urgency and more urgency, and I was sent to
- 3:04my friends one day we were out again, as I was. When we
- 3:07were out, actually we were all after getting a take away pizza and we
- 3:10were habbing a few drinks because at the time we couldn't go out, and
- 3:15I was telling them and they were like, er, it's probably just hemorrhage
- 3:20or something like that, and I was like, yeah, and keep an
- 3:23eye on it, and it just kind of started to get a bit worse,
- 3:25like quite quickly, and I was like, oh Christ, And then
- 3:29the dreaded, Oh my bad, the embarrassment of going to the doctor with
- 3:32this. So I did put it off sadly for a few weeks, and
- 3:38then it was just getting worse. I had to go. I'd of course,
- 3:42I turned to Google and almost self diagnosed myself to be six foot under
- 3:47quite quickly, so I'm like, right, no, I got to both
- 3:51to the doctor, so went tod he all my symptoms. She did a
- 3:54physical exam, which I will never ever forget. I was the most vulnerable
- 4:01I ever felt my whole life. I was crying, truly the entire thing,
- 4:04because I'd convinced myself i'd bear the cancer. And when I asked her
- 4:10like of course, she couldn't tell me either. So when she couldn't tell
- 4:14me that, that made me worse. So I was like, oh,
- 4:16yeah, brite myself off. So I was sent for my colnoscopy, which
- 4:23came sure a few weeks later, and immediately I was actually very quickly diagnosed
- 4:29with the alstrative collitius then, which I never heard of at all, had
- 4:34no clue, like I understood Crohn's disease to an extent, so I just
- 4:41thought, Okay, grat I'd a diagnosis. Can I please have my medication
- 4:45and let me get out of my life? Like like it like it would
- 4:47be that easy, you know, and go. I literally did I know
- 4:53what was what I was in for. And that is why it started off
- 4:57very mild medication, I guess, as they're trying to figure out how you
- 5:00react to things, and nothing was working. I was getting progressively worse,
- 5:05and they decided after another few I think it was like two or three months
- 5:13that i'd start by logic treatment. So I started on a Juvisha self injections
- 5:20and I can remember the nurse coming out of the house teach me like how
- 5:24to self inject, and she was like, your life's going to go back
- 5:28to norma. This is going to be amazing, and you know the success
- 5:31rates they're amazing, and I was like so excited, going really not bothered
- 5:36about jabbing myself, Like let's go, let's get it done. So she
- 5:42was like, give it twelve weeks, so we gave it twelve weeks,
- 5:45absolutely no improvement at all. So then we said we'd move on to influximab,
- 5:53so we used go in for my infusions every couple of weeks. Again
- 5:58no improvement. At this point my team were like scratching their heads, going
- 6:01like, you're quite complex because something usually does work, you know, be
- 6:05a steroids whatever, So in flixing map. When in Flixing Map faded,
- 6:13I can remember being I was only up the country on holiday at the time,
- 6:18and I had to cut the holiday short and come home, and I
- 6:23was so so ill I actually brought myself to any something I would never do
- 6:29ever, like hones. I was at some limb hanging off and because the
- 6:33healths from here, the A department is just horrendous. But anyway, I
- 6:38went and they admitted me straight away, put me on IVY steroids, whipped
- 6:45me off the treatment I was on, and spoke about possibly removing a part
- 6:50of the bowne that was the main problem area, I guess, and they
- 6:57spoke about that like it was nothing, but to me that was a huge
- 7:00deal, and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going
- 7:02on here? Like you know, and and quite a person that would ask
- 7:08you like a million questions because I want to know every single detail. I
- 7:11want to not you know, it's just the way I am. And so
- 7:17they were like, right, we'll try another drug first, so they put
- 7:20me on Stellara. So I started Stilara when I was in hospital and I
- 7:27was released like a week later, and week by week, like quite quickly,
- 7:30I started to improve. And I was like, oh my god,
- 7:35like I always forgot what it was like to not not be ill, and
- 7:41I was kind of going, I feel very odd. So anyway, that
- 7:46was like the August and the winter came and gone. I just feeling really
- 7:50good. And then I just started connecting. I think I only set up
- 7:57my IBDP age in and around that time actually where I was in the midst
- 8:01of everything and I was looking for a million answers, and so I was
- 8:05starting to connect to a lot of people at that point. And Dan from
- 8:15AO Fitness, who's my current coach at the moment, so just like everybody
- 8:20else, you know, hey, how are you, how you know,
- 8:22what do you have? How you deal him with? What medication you want?
- 8:26And we just kind of came became friends really just through having the same
- 8:31disease. I guess and I can remember in that January he was putting out
- 8:37something like he was looking for I don't know. It was some challenge like
- 8:41a certain amount of people to take on, like a twelve week fitness challenge.
- 8:46Now this is coming from somebody who did never lifted a dumb bell in
- 8:50my life. Well, I was there after getting a feel for feeling normal
- 8:56and not sick again, and I really started to like appreciate my body a
- 9:03bit more and kind of start making more of an effort and like you know,
- 9:07copping myself on basically, So I was like, will I won't do
- 9:11when I won't out? Well, I really I was so close to not
- 9:15doing it because I had no confidence of fitness, never minded Jim I would
- 9:18have ran a mile, I'd be so embarrassed, like there would be no
- 9:22way. So I was like, erfecket, I'll do it. So I
- 9:26signed up in that January, so January last year, and I started with
- 9:33home workouts, like my plans were based around home workouts because again I was
- 9:37petrified to step foot in the gym. I didn't know what anything was.
- 9:41And so I did home workouts for like five weeks and I really, really,
- 9:48really enjoyed them and enjoyed the nutrition plan, and I was just like
- 9:52really getting in the zone. And I was like, who's this, you
- 9:54know, And I was obviously feeling well at the time, so I was
- 9:58just like, this is amazing. And then I messaged one day and I
- 10:01said, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the leap. I'm gonna join
- 10:05a gym. And I can remember him saying to me, right, that's
- 10:09absolutely amazing. On your first day, feel really really overwhelmed. Ring me
- 10:16go into the child and ring me and I just talk you true or you
- 10:20know, like really supportive. But he didn't have to do that, but
- 10:24obviously he knew how nervous I was. So I started the gym in I
- 10:30think it was Marched last year. So I'm thirteen months in the gym now
- 10:35I've never missed one workaw everr and now it's part of my life where I
- 10:46cannot go without it, and I feel sorry in between that let me just
- 10:52quickly, So that was tree By Logic's done. That My six month little
- 10:58amazing I'm as Stellaria came to an end also, so I had to go
- 11:03back and so between like March last year in April like another scope and they're
- 11:09like, no, unfortunately it's fair as we're going to movie on to Rinbach.
- 11:16So I'm currently on Rinboch now. So I'm in the gym thirteen months
- 11:20and I'm in Rinbach thirteen months. So is it ironic? Who knows who
- 11:24else like this incident? But I've been really well since then, and now
- 11:31my whole life and probably Instagram pages you can tell, revolves around promotingly health
- 11:37and fitness and just having people I guess see that I really really was on
- 11:46the other side of where I am now. You know, I did a
- 11:50character myself. I neglected my body. I was solely relying on education.
- 11:56So just by putting all of those things in place, an invest in a
- 12:01court has completely flipped the switch for me, you know, and my disease
- 12:07and my illness and how I feel and my energy and just everything. Sorry,
- 12:11that was a big spiel there. You didn't even get a word in.
- 12:15No, No, I'm more than happy to sit back and listen to
- 12:18some incredible stories. Absolutely, yeah, that's and again a fantastic story.
- 12:24And I talked to a lot of people who who find fitness and maybe maybe
- 12:31they hadn't done so before and they think, well I'll start because I might
- 12:35feel better and this, that and the other, and they really do find
- 12:41a lot of different positive benefits. And I think when when some people say,
- 12:46oh you join a git, you think, right, okay, you
- 12:48think mainly physical benefits. And there are lots of physical benefits, don't don't
- 12:54get me wrong, but it's so much more than that. I fight the
- 12:58only mentally, inally, socially. Did you find it where exercises is far
- 13:07more than just than just physical? Ah? Yeah, and I and I
- 13:15think in anybody who does find her Instagram page and would sort of look at
- 13:22that and say, oh, this is somebody who's been exercising their entire life.
- 13:26Yeah. So yeah, So that's the thing that really struck me about
- 13:31you is the fact that it's been so would say thirteen months. I think,
- 13:37yeah, thirteen months. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
- 13:41mad. And that's where I suppose I love. I like to mention that
- 13:46at last, because, as you said, if you did go on to
- 13:48my page, you probably think, oh, yeah, this is just another
- 13:52person harping on about the gym blah blah blah blah that when actually normal,
- 13:56My entire life has benefited and changed so so so much, and as you
- 14:01said, it's not just physical, it's so much more. Like I only
- 14:05share something on my story this morning, and it was like, you know,
- 14:07you don't just go fitness isn't about just changing your body. It really
- 14:11is a huge, like life changeing thing, and like not just the gym
- 14:18anything. It's amazing. Yeah. Well yeah, And when we were sort
- 14:24of chatting off there a little bit before, you said, but your whole
- 14:28family, brothers and everybody were going to fitness and you were sort of the
- 14:33odd one else as such. I yeah, did that? But did that
- 14:41help in a way in having people around you that was so into fitness?
- 14:45Did that make it easier for you to transition? Or did you kind of
- 14:48think I'm going to try and keep up with them and it's going to be
- 14:52a bit odder, do you know what? I don't think any of it
- 14:56played Actually no, it didn't impluent me at all because they've been doing it
- 15:01for years and I just be like, oh whatever, or like we'd all
- 15:07go on holiday and they're like bringing their running gear. I'm like, are
- 15:09you for real? Whereasn't how I go on holiday and I might the hotel
- 15:13has to have a gym. Yeah, but no, I mean the minute
- 15:20I got into it, they're absolutely delighted. Like my brother is always wearying
- 15:26and what's the story blah blah blah, and only wants to see. Like
- 15:31we chat a lot about like my plans, what I'm doing, like the
- 15:35fat loss I've gone like because it's been a whole fat loss journey for me
- 15:39as well, so my goals, and I just think it's just something I'm
- 15:46really really passionate about now. I read about it every single day I learn
- 15:50about it. I'm not upset, but I am so interested that I just
- 15:58dig deep and I really really want it on stand as much as I can
- 16:00about the body and stuff. And I really do have to thank my disease
- 16:06for that, you know. Yeah, So you think sort of without the
- 16:11the colitis, would you be in the gym or would it just be absolutely
- 16:18not? Absolutely not? And I can say that confidently. I just wouldn't
- 16:22of. I would have continued on just like living with my best life and
- 16:27kind of care free. And I still do that now, but I do
- 16:32it for different reason and the reasons are better being all for myself. No,
- 16:41I wouldn't of. No, So I'm always very thankful for having a
- 16:45shaky disease. Basically, yeah, it does happens benefits. I couldn't try
- 16:51to. I keep trying to put this on the podcast, and not everyone
- 16:53believes me, and I don't know how many episodes it will take, but
- 16:57somebody somewhere will believe me at sol Boy and actually actually, amidst the hundreds
- 17:06of things that maybe aren't so positive, there are lots and lots of positives
- 17:11that do come out of it, And there are exponents of any people like
- 17:14yourself who has said, right, okay, I you know, I want
- 17:18to do something. I want to do something that's going to help me.
- 17:21Yeah, and maybe join the gym, maybe started running, maybe maybe it
- 17:25Maybe it doesn't have to go that far the some side you said, you
- 17:29know, you said that you were really nervous and about joining a gym,
- 17:33and that that goes for an awful lot of people. And I think that,
- 17:38yeah, that mentality of Jim sort of inverted commas, that that that
- 17:45sort of you know, you imagine, you know, incredibly muscle bound people
- 17:48and you know you've got to be listing the heaviest thing and and doing this
- 17:53out of the other and and it's I'm not going to say, oh,
- 17:56it's not like that for everybody, because they might be some gyms which are
- 18:00very much like that. But many of the people are spoken to have had
- 18:06many different experiences with gyms and they can go at their own pace and maybe
- 18:10they're, like like you, they found somebody else to build, somebody to
- 18:15help them a lot. Yeah, yeah, did you find I know you
- 18:19said sort of it's been incredibly helpful, But did you find sort of having
- 18:26a backup as such and going to the gym, did you find that really
- 18:30beneficial, like having a coach, yeah yeah, or somebody else that's just
- 18:36there for advice or or oh my god, a million percent. It's having
- 18:41a coach is an investment, right, It's money out of your pocket.
- 18:45And the way I look at it is I could spend money on so much
- 18:52rubbish, which we all do our taims, you know, and that's fine,
- 18:56like it's just part comparisons. But the money I spend I do spend
- 19:03on having a coach is absolutely priceless to me. At the moment, I
- 19:11buy coffee bloody in a coffee shop a few times a week. I you
- 19:15know, you might just buy random bits and pieces here. All of that
- 19:21money is the same as paying for a coach, you know, but you're
- 19:25getting so much worried of it. I genuinely, even though I feel like
- 19:30I'm in a really good place, I understand a lot now about exercise,
- 19:33and you know, the plans and the exercises. I know them all now
- 19:37and blah blah blah, but I don't know all. So I will continue
- 19:41to have a coach regardless of how confident I get, because I just think
- 19:45for the accountability for me and having someone that's very, very knowledgeable, and
- 19:53I mean like I wreck his head, like I ask so what well?
- 20:00Boy, I to be always like I'm getting my money's work there at the
- 20:04end. That's what I'm paying you for. Absolutely, there is actually nothing
- 20:10wrong as you as you said there with being curious. I you know,
- 20:14when I when I coached people, did it for sort of a decade or
- 20:17so. Yeah, I would always like to coach people and ask me questions.
- 20:22Okay, it's great having the people you go do this and they go
- 20:25and do it that. Yeah, that's great. But I'd always enjoy teaching
- 20:30people who wanted to know or said, oh why why am I doing this,
- 20:33Tom, or what benefit is this to me? Tom? Yeah?
- 20:37I loved having that and and and I think it's just great that you're you're
- 20:41curious about it and want to know more and starting from you know, a
- 20:45beginner effectively, Yeah, and and and then and then wanting to know more.
- 20:52I think that's fantastic. Yeah, like I do. And I suppose,
- 20:55as you says, they're like, when you're asking questions from a COAGEOS
- 20:59perspective, you know, then that person is really really interested, you know,
- 21:06or like I'd often send across videos and be like, can you check
- 21:08my form on this? And just so much. And I think it comes
- 21:12down to having that are building that rapport, I guess with a coach,
- 21:18because not every coach is for everybody either, you know. I just got
- 21:22lucky. I think from the first, from the first off, that he
- 21:29understands the disease first and foremost because he has himself, and which is obviously
- 21:34amazing because if you come into a flare up, they're like, I totally
- 21:37know how it feels, you know, so yeah I will I will forever
- 21:48encourage anybody that is unsure where to start or how to start, to literally
- 21:53take it from me, who had no intention ever to be in do fitness
- 22:00or anything like that. To get a coach, get a coach, and
- 22:06the great instead a coach can give you is just invaluable. I think you
- 22:08know, and you've obviously been a coach. You all that yourself, so
- 22:14you can vouch with that too. I guess you know. It's short good.
- 22:18It's just so good. It's money well spent, well worth every penny,
- 22:22absolutely definitely. And going along the lines of fitness, is there anything
- 22:29in particular, I know that there is something on your Instagram page, on
- 22:33the top part of your Instagram page that you're training for at the moment.
- 22:38I actually have a fitness shoot next week. Okay, I've not. I'm
- 22:45quite nervous about it because obviously, as we just spoke, I'm only doing
- 22:51this thirteen months. I'm not ripped. I'm not doing this photo shoot to
- 22:55gin like Missus Muscle and you know, this just slept away. This is
- 23:00about my fat last journey. Like I'm down, I'm just breaking in.
- 23:08I started, I was like seventy six point six CAGs and I'm just breaking
- 23:12into sixty three now, wow, fantastic. So it's been like it's not
- 23:19been super quick, you know, the we're some drops off people and whatever.
- 23:23It's just been really consistent and that's how I'm gonna continue with it really.
- 23:30But after the shoot, I guess we're gonna increase my calories, which
- 23:37would be a big deal for me, and try work on a building more
- 23:41muscle, and maybe next year's shoots will look a little bit better and more
- 23:45professional. Well for now, the fitness shoot next week is fun. It's
- 23:51going to be fun, and it's going to be just all about my fat
- 23:53last journey and I guess how emotionally, physically, mentally, just stronger the
- 24:02whole the whole thing has been for me, you know. All So yeah,
- 24:07that's kind of a goal of mine. And obviously then I think in
- 24:10time it's possibly something I'd like to maybe go down into that kind of field
- 24:17myself, you know, yeah, now for sure. And and also you
- 24:22do an excellent job, if I may say my so with raising awareness IBD.
- 24:27You didn't do an awful awful lot of great work. Thank you.
- 24:32Are there any particular charities that you work with as well? So I've been
- 24:41I've had a few zoom cards with Crowns in Kladus, Ireland, it's probably
- 24:47our only main Crowns and Kaladas charity in this country. Unfortunately we don't have
- 24:52as many, like there's so many in the kids amazing. So I've been
- 25:00a volunteer with Crones and Kladist Ireland. They're just in the process of like
- 25:04setting up and delegating different roles and things like that to people, so it's
- 25:10just a case of waiting to hear there's like I think there was thirteen of
- 25:12us on the call. Also, I'm doing a Tough Mother in July this
- 25:19year with my coach and on the team, and that's for Gut's charity Ukay,
- 25:27So that's a fundraiser at the moment, and I think we're at like
- 25:33six or seven hundred pound at the moment, and some of the guys on
- 25:37the team, like their employments are like going to match whatever we made,
- 25:41like, so it should be fun. That's in July. Am I ready
- 25:48for it? No, I've probably passed out halfway through, but I'm game
- 25:55ball. I'm feeling well, so all of these things now, I'm just
- 25:59like Yadis gust, let's do it in fast and if people want to donate
- 26:03to your your Tough Mother adventure where would they find where would they find?
- 26:10The link in my bio And the link is on my bio, are on
- 26:14my coaches page which is Ale Fitness, are Ale, Prawn, Serry and
- 26:21whoever else is involved with everybody I think it shared a link, but my
- 26:25one anyway is on my bio on my Instagram page. And and also just
- 26:30very briefly, you did delve into the world of podcasting at the start of
- 26:37the year, that with with two to two other people as well, and
- 26:44and I have done that for was it about four four months or so?
- 26:48Is that going? Yes, it's like Instagram lives for like three or four
- 26:52months, and then we did we went on to podcasting at the beginning of
- 26:59February, so it was actually kind of true month, really, wasn't it
- 27:02for Prey much? Yeah, but it feels longer actually, probably because of
- 27:07the lives. But yeah, the podcast has sadly come to an end with
- 27:14all three of us. But you know, all these things sometimes work out.
- 27:18Sometimes you just kind of move on. And but it was a lot
- 27:22of fun and made a lot of really nice connections and like you, like,
- 27:26I love listening to other people's stories and understand you know, how people
- 27:32deal with different things and illnesses and all that kind of stuff. So yeah,
- 27:36it was it was. It was fun, yeah, fantastic, and
- 27:40that was keeping up with the gals, correct packing up the gals. Yeah,
- 27:45so it won't be around anymore, to be honest, I'm not sure
- 27:52what happens with the Spotify and things like that, but yeah, it's no
- 28:03longer. But it was fun. It was fun excellently. There's some back
- 28:07episodes in there that are really worth to listen. So if you have a
- 28:10little bit of signe once you finished listening to Laura's podcast, on Laura's Story,
- 28:14on my podcast and all the rest of my podcasts, then listen to
- 28:17that. Yeah. But lastly, what does the fitness future of Laura look
- 28:30like to you? Because obviously he'd made massive progress since since twenty twenty,
- 28:37what do you Obviously you've got the Tough Mother coming up, and you have
- 28:44the photo shoot coming up, and you've lost things going on in the near
- 28:48future, but what do you think your fitness journey will look like in the
- 28:52next few years or so? Really good question, because they do think about
- 29:00it a lot, and I do think I'm at the stage in my life
- 29:06where I can even put more time and effort into it. So I would
- 29:11love to further on in the head and fitness field as I'm happy to do
- 29:19it as a self development thing for myself, potentially doing health and fitness and
- 29:27personal training course myself, which I've spoke to my coach about. And you
- 29:34know, I would also remain having a coach at that time because I find
- 29:40a lot of people I suppose you know that maybe do a personal training course
- 29:45all of a sudden think they're qualified and on paper you are, but you're
- 29:48really not, Like you still you know you're you're not are your tom?
- 29:52No, No, you can't do a weekend course and get ten years worth
- 29:57experience. It doesn't work. But sorry for people we were about to go
- 30:03to the course, it doesn't work, like absolutely, like you're sorry,
- 30:07and it's it's just like everything now all go on to YouTube learn this.
- 30:11Are they going in the hairdresser? Go on to YouTube and learn how to
- 30:14conor your hair? No? Please don't like, please don't so, yeah,
- 30:18the same kind of thing. If I you know, I would love
- 30:22to go down that route or I would have the support of I'm I'll keep
- 30:27my coaching well confident enough like, I have a hell of a lot to
- 30:33learn, but there's no harm in starting. And it's never too late to
- 30:37start either, you know. Yeah, yeah, I think I think if
- 30:41anybody takes anything away from this, it's just just start. Just start to
- 30:45see where you go. It's not too late, it's it's it's yeah.
- 30:49I know lots of people who started running, you know, into the when
- 30:53they started in their fifties and things like that, and there now getting on
- 30:56really really well. So au I think looking around never and I just think
- 31:03looking around you see people in those heresies and forties and they're bloody looking,
- 31:08so insane. I just think you get to that point in your life where
- 31:12you've almost like lived a little bit of a wildest time maybe, and you
- 31:18really start investing in yourself, and you just think looking around just that middle
- 31:23age ground is just like thrumpin held bitting like life everything. I love to
- 31:32see it, you know, and I really hope it sticks around the whole
- 31:36heath and fitness kind of encouragement and stuff. That's I'm going at the moment
- 31:40for anyone at any levels, any exercise, just start moving, you know,
- 31:44definitely, definitely, And I know I said lastly, but this is
- 31:48the really lastly we had can people and I We've mentioned and touched it before.
- 31:52Where can people find you? So my Instagram page is it's a bit
- 31:59of a lone one. So it's like Laura underscore, IBD underscore and underscore
- 32:07Me underscore like so basically Laura, IBD and Me a short fantastic like,
- 32:15Yeah, I always say to everyone you know, message me whenever. I
- 32:17love chatting as you can probably tell us, so like I'd answer anything.
- 32:22You know, we are you perfect for this podcast? Yeah, there we
- 32:25go fantastic. We're in the years off you. But yeah, it's all
- 32:34for a good good cause and it's always just to encourage other people you know,
- 32:38are inspired possibly which is lovely. Definitely definitely on behalf of the podcast.
- 32:45I just want to say thank you so so much for coming on.
- 32:47It's been an that's a bit pleasure to talk to you. And I'm good
- 32:52luck with your your tough mother and your photo shooting the future hurry. Thank
- 32:57you so much. It's all for the games, the absolutely thank you.
- 33:02Thanks Tom, thank you for listening to the podcast. Find us on Instagram.
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