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- 0:05I was working with a pharmaceutical company.
- 0:07With my team, we dove into planning for a major digital
- 0:11transformation of the clinical trial processes.
- 0:15The company had invested heavily in AI powered analytics that
- 0:19would fundamentally change how the research scientists analyzed
- 0:23patient data. The technology sound the
- 0:28business case was compelling. And yet three other most
- 0:33respected senior scientists had become the biggest obstacles to
- 0:38adoption. These weren't resistors in any
- 0:42traditional sense. They had signed off on the
- 0:45initiative. They had attended every training
- 0:48session. They publicly praised the new
- 0:52capabilities. But behind closed doors, they
- 0:56were systematically undermining adoption through a pattern that
- 1:00I've come to recognize. They questioned the methodology.
- 1:05They requested additional validation studies.
- 1:09They proposed extended parallel testing protocols.
- 1:14Every concern was scientifically legitimate.
- 1:18Every delay was professionally justifiable.
- 1:22It took us three months to understand what was really
- 1:25happening. These weren't scientists who
- 1:29were protecting their organization from a bad
- 1:31technology decision. These were people who were
- 1:36protecting themselves from an identity crisis.
- 1:40For 20 years, their careers had been built on a specific form of
- 1:44expertise, on knowing how to interpret data in ways the
- 1:49junior colleagues couldn't. The new AI has changed their
- 1:54tolls. It threatened to make their hard
- 1:58won intuition obsolete. The resistance wasn't about the
- 2:03transformation, it was about who they would become if the
- 2:08transformation succeeded. I'm Kevin Novak, CEO of 2040,
- 2:13Digital professor at the University of Maryland and
- 2:17author of the book The Truth About Transformation, Leading in
- 2:21the Age of AI, Uncertainty and Human Complexity, along with the
- 2:26Ideas and Innovations weekly newsletter.
- 2:29Today we're exploring the identity crisis of expertise.
- 2:34Why the very knowledge and skills that make people
- 2:38successful become psychological barriers that prevent them from
- 2:44adapting the change. Welcome to the Human Factor
- 2:48Broadcast Season 2, The Shell that explores the intersection
- 2:53of humanity, technology, and transformation, along with the
- 2:58psychology behind transformation success.
- 3:02If you followed Season 1, you heard us explore why
- 3:06transformations fail at the psychological level, from the
- 3:10hidden resistance patterns that operate beneath the parent
- 3:14support to the communication paradoxes that create confusion
- 3:19even when leaders say the right things.
- 3:22We examined why smart people make poor decisions under
- 3:25change, why organizations struggle to let go of approaches
- 3:30that no longer serve them, and why vulnerability creates the
- 3:36foundation for authentic organizational adaptation.
- 3:41Season 2 then shifts from diagnosis to intervention.
- 3:46Elizabeth Stewart will be back for a few episodes to share her
- 3:49thoughts and wisdom, and I have a variety of guests lined up as
- 3:54CE OS who have lived through change and transformation and
- 3:58have much insight and advice to share.
- 4:01I'm excited for the episodes and learning ahead, and I hope you
- 4:05are as well. We're going to be moving from
- 4:09understanding why change and transformation often fails to
- 4:13exploring how leaders can actually address the
- 4:15psychological and other barriers that determine success or
- 4:19failure. And today, we're starting with
- 4:22what I believe is the most underestimated psychological
- 4:26force and organizational change identity.
- 4:30In Episode 5 of Season 1, we explored the psychology of
- 4:34letting go. Why the phrase We've always done
- 4:38it this way has such a powerful grip on organizational behavior.
- 4:44In Episode 8, we mapped 12 types of hidden resistance that appear
- 4:50as support while systematically preventing progress.
- 4:54Today's episode then, goes deeper into the mechanism that
- 4:58drives both of these patterns. What happens psychologically
- 5:03when change in transformation threatens not just how people
- 5:06work, but who they believe themselves to be?
- 5:11This is not a minor distinction. When you understand that
- 5:14identity, rather than preference or habit, is the real barrier to
- 5:19change, Everything about how you lead change in transformation
- 5:23needs to shift. Let me show you why.
- 5:28To understand why expertise creates such powerful barriers
- 5:32to change and transformation, we need to understand how
- 5:36professional identity forms in the 1st place.
- 5:40Organizational behavior scholar Blake Ashworth has spent decades
- 5:44studying how people construct their work identities, and his
- 5:48research reveals something crucial For most professionals,
- 5:53there's no meaningful separation between what they know and who
- 5:57they are. Think about how you introduce
- 6:01yourself at a professional conference.
- 6:04You don't say I perform the functions associated with the
- 6:07accounting profession. You say I'm an accountant.
- 6:12That linguistic choice reflects A psychological reality.
- 6:17Your profession isn't something that you do, it's something you
- 6:21are. Your expertise isn't a tool that
- 6:24you use, it's the foundation of your professional identity.
- 6:30This fusion of identity and expertise develops over years of
- 6:35professional socialization. When you spend five years
- 6:39mastering a complex skill set. When you build your reputation
- 6:44on knowing things that others don't.
- 6:46When your colleagues come to you as the expert, when your
- 6:50compensation and status depends on your specialized knowledge,
- 6:56something profound happens. Neurologically, your brain
- 7:01literally rewires itself around that expertise, and neural
- 7:06pathways that support your professional competence become
- 7:10intertwined with the networks that maintain your sense of
- 7:14self. Research here in cognitive
- 7:17neuroscience has shown that threats to our sense of
- 7:20competence activate overlapping brain systems with those
- 7:25involved in threats to our physical safety.
- 7:28This aligns with broader social threat research demonstrating
- 7:32the challenges the status, competence, and belonging
- 7:36trigger the same defensive responses originally evolved to
- 7:40protect us from physical danger. When change in transformation
- 7:45suggests that your expertise might become obsolete, your
- 7:50brain doesn't process that as an intellectual challenge requiring
- 7:54adaptation, It processes that as an attack on your survival.
- 8:01The fear response you experience isn't an overreaction, it's a
- 8:06biological appropriate response to what your brain perceives as
- 8:11a genuine danger. This is why rational arguments
- 8:16about the benefits of change and transformation often fail with
- 8:20experienced professionals. You're not dealing with a
- 8:23knowledge gap that can be filled with information, you're dealing
- 8:28with an identity threat that triggers deep psychological
- 8:32defense mechanisms. The more expertise someone has,
- 8:36the more their identity depends on that expertise, and the more
- 8:41threatened they feel when transformation requires them to
- 8:44become beginners all over again. Developmental psychologists use
- 8:50a concept called identity foreclosure to describe what
- 8:53happens when people commit to an identity without genuinely
- 8:58exploring alternatives. It was originally applied to
- 9:01adolescent development. The concept has powerful
- 9:05implications for understanding why successful professional
- 9:08struggle would change and transformation.
- 9:12So here's how identity foreclosure works in
- 9:15professional contexts. Early in your career, you
- 9:18discover something that you're good at.
- 9:21You invest in developing that confidence.
- 9:24You build a reputation around it.
- 9:27Opportunities come to you because of it.
- 9:30Over time, your entire professional life becomes
- 9:33organized around this identity. You hire people who complement
- 9:37your expertise. You take on projects that
- 9:40leverage your strengths. You avoid situations that might
- 9:44reveal your weaknesses. You've created what feels like a
- 9:49very successful, stable professional identity.
- 9:53So in professional life, identity foreclosure is rarely A
- 9:58conscious choice. It's more often the result of
- 10:01momentum, years of incentives, recognition, reinforcement, and
- 10:08reward that gradually narrows how someone can imagine
- 10:13themselves. But here's the trap.
- 10:17The more successful you become with that identity, the more
- 10:21foreclosed your options become. You haven't explored who else
- 10:25you might be professionally because your current identity
- 10:29has worked so very well. You haven't developed the
- 10:34psychological flexibility to see yourself any differently because
- 10:38you have never needed to. Your success then, is created a
- 10:42prison of competence where you can only imagine yourself as who
- 10:47you already are. Carol Dweck's research on
- 10:52mindset provides another lens lens on this phenomenon.
- 10:57Dweck distinguishes between fixed mindset, where people
- 11:00believe their abilities are static trains, and growth
- 11:04mindset, where people believe their abilities can develop
- 11:08through effort and learning. What Dweck's research shows, and
- 11:13this is critical for understanding change and
- 11:15transformation resistance, is that the fixed mindset isn't
- 11:20just about intelligence, it's about identity.
- 11:25People with fixed mindsets have built their self concept around
- 11:30being a certain kind of person with certain kinds of abilities.
- 11:37Any challenge to those abilities becomes a challenge to their
- 11:41fundamental sense of self. Now here's where this gets
- 11:45complicated for leaders. In my experience, the fixed
- 11:50mindset often correlates with professional success.
- 11:54The person who committed early and deeply to developing
- 11:58expertise, who's built their entire career around being the
- 12:02expert in a specific domain, often succeeded precisely
- 12:07because of that focus. The same psychological pattern
- 12:11that enabled their success now prevents their adaptation.
- 12:15When you tell a senior engineer with 25 years of experience that
- 12:20the programming paradigm they mastered is being replaced by AI
- 12:24assisted development, you're not asking them to learn a new
- 12:27skill, you're asking them to stop being who they've been for
- 12:331/4 of a century and become someone they can't yet imagine.
- 12:38The resistance isn't stubbornness or the fear of
- 12:41technology. It's a psychological immune
- 12:44response to identity, to solution, which in a note is
- 12:49something about how organizations typically respond
- 12:53to this resistance. We send people to training
- 12:56programs that assume the problem is knowledge.
- 13:00We create incentives structured so to assume the problem is
- 13:05motivation. We provide coaching that assumes
- 13:09the problem is behavior. But the actual problem is
- 13:13identity, and none of these interventions address it
- 13:16directly. We're treating symptoms while
- 13:21the underlying condition continues to drive resistance.
- 13:26Through my work with organizations across industries
- 13:28and sectors, I've identified 5 distinct identity threats that
- 13:33transformation creates for experienced professionals.
- 13:37Understanding these threats is essential for leaders who want
- 13:40to address resistance at its source rather than fighting its
- 13:45symptoms. What's important here to
- 13:47understand is that these threats rarely appear in isolation and
- 13:52most real change in transformations.
- 13:54Experienced professionals experience several of them
- 13:58simultaneously, which is why the emotional response often feels
- 14:03disproportionate to the change or transformation itself.
- 14:07The first identity thread is competence thread.
- 14:10This is the most obvious form, and we touched on it earlier
- 14:14across episodes in Season 1. When transformation requires new
- 14:19skills, people who have built their identity around being
- 14:22highly competent suddenly face the prospect of becoming
- 14:26beginners all over again. For someone who has spent years
- 14:30being the person others come to for answers, the idea of not
- 14:35knowing is psychologically intolerable.
- 14:40The research on this is clear. Competence threat triggers
- 14:44defensive behaviors that look like resistance but are actually
- 14:48attempts to preserve a coherent sense of self.
- 14:52When you see someone raising endless questions about a new
- 14:55methodology, requesting additional training before
- 14:58implementation, or questioning whether the organization is
- 15:02really ready for change, they're often seeing competence threat
- 15:06in action. The second identity threat is
- 15:10relevance threat. This goes beyond competence to
- 15:14something even more fundamental. Competence thread asks, can I do
- 15:19the new thing, while relevance thread asks, will anyone need
- 15:25what I do? In an era of rapid technological
- 15:28change, this thread is increasingly acute.
- 15:32The experienced professional who has spent years developing deep
- 15:36expertise in the domain now watches this.
- 15:39AI tools can perform aspects of that work in seconds.
- 15:43Their question isn't whether they can learn the new tools,
- 15:47it's whether the learning actually matters.
- 15:51Search on perceived skill obsolescence consistently shows
- 15:56that fear of becoming irrelevant often emerges well before any
- 16:01actual decline in capability. People aren't reacting to what
- 16:05they can't do yet, they're reacting to what they fear no
- 16:09one will need anymore. So if the organization doesn't
- 16:12need human expertise in their domain anymore, what is their
- 16:16role? Who are they if they are not the
- 16:20expert? The third identity thread.
- 16:23The status thread. Professional identity isn't just
- 16:27about what you know. It's about your position in the
- 16:31organizational hierarchy of knowledge.
- 16:34Senior experts have status because they know things others
- 16:38don't. They're consulted on important
- 16:41decisions. Their opinions carry weight.
- 16:45Their expertise is valued. Change in transformation often
- 16:50flattens these knowledge hierarchies across industries.
- 16:55Studies show that people will tolerate heavier workloads,
- 16:59steeper learning curves, and greater uncertainty if their
- 17:03status is preserved, But they will actively resist even
- 17:08beneficial change when status is threatened.
- 17:12When junior employees with digital native skills can
- 17:15outperform senior experts in a new system, the traditional
- 17:19status markers become meaningless.
- 17:22The senior expert hasn't just lost a skill advantage, they've
- 17:26lost their place in the organizational pecking order.
- 17:29Their identity as someone who matters, whose voice carries
- 17:33weight, is under direct threat. The 4th identity thread is
- 17:38narrative thread. Every professional has a story
- 17:42they tell themselves about their career, a narrative that makes
- 17:46sense of the choices that they've made, the sacrifices
- 17:50that they have accepted, the path that they have followed.
- 17:55Transformation and change can invalidate that narrative.
- 17:59The person, then, who spends 10 years developing deep expertise
- 18:03in the technology that's now being replaced, has to confront
- 18:07uncomfortable questions. Was all that investment wasted?
- 18:12Did I choose the wrong path? What does my career mean if the
- 18:18skills I work so hard to develop?
- 18:20These aren't just practical questions about future
- 18:22employment, they're existential questions about whether your
- 18:26professional life has meaning. The 5th identity threat is
- 18:31community threat. Professional identity is never
- 18:34purely individual. We define ourselves partly
- 18:38through the communities that we belong to, the colleagues who
- 18:42share our expertise, the professional networks built
- 18:46around common knowledge. Changing transformation can
- 18:50dissolve these communities. When an organization moves from
- 18:541 technology platform to another, the community of
- 18:57experts in the old platform doesn't just lose their
- 19:00technical skills, they lose their professional tribe.
- 19:05The relationships then built through shared expertise, the
- 19:09sense of belonging to a community of practice, and the
- 19:12identity that comes from being part of something larger than
- 19:15yourself. All of this is at risk.
- 19:19People often resist change in transformation not because they
- 19:23fear learning new skills, but because they fear losing the
- 19:27community that gives their professional life meaning.
- 19:31When you look at change in transformation resistance
- 19:34through the lens, it stops being a frustrating obstacle and it
- 19:38starts being an understandable human response to genuine
- 19:42psychological threat. The senior scientists I
- 19:46mentioned in my opening story weren't being difficult.
- 19:50They were experiencing all five of these identity threats
- 19:53simultaneously. Their competence, the relevance,
- 19:57their status, the professional narrative and their community
- 20:01were all under threat from a single initiative.
- 20:05The resistance was proportional to what they stood to lose.
- 20:10So what do we do with this understanding?
- 20:12How do leaders address identity based resistance rather than
- 20:16simply fighting against it? The framework I'm about to share
- 20:20emerge from years of working with organizations where
- 20:24identity threats were the primary barrier to change.
- 20:28I call it the Identity Transition Framework, and it
- 20:31addresses something most change management approaches ignore,
- 20:36the psychological journey between letting go of who you
- 20:40were and becoming who you need to be.
- 20:44The first element is acknowledging the loss.
- 20:47Most change in transformation communications focus entirely on
- 20:52the future, the exciting capabilities, the competitive
- 20:56advantages, the growth opportunities.
- 20:59But for people experiencing identity threat, the future is
- 21:03abstract, while the loss is very concrete and immediate.
- 21:08Before they can move toward a new identity, they need
- 21:12permission to grieve the one that they're losing.
- 21:16This isn't weakness or sentimentality.
- 21:19It's psychology. Research on identity transitions
- 21:23show that people who are acknowledged are allowed to
- 21:26acknowledge what they're leaving behind.
- 21:29Adapt more successfully than those who are pressured to
- 21:32immediately embrace what's next. When loss is ignored, resistance
- 21:37intensifies. When loss is named, adaptation
- 21:41begins. When you tell someone that their
- 21:4420 years of expertise in the old system will still be valuable
- 21:48while simultaneously replacing that system with something
- 21:52entirely new, you're creating a cognitive dissonance.
- 21:56A better approach is honest acknowledgement.
- 22:00Your expertise in the current approach represents real value,
- 22:05and it's true that some of that specific knowledge won't
- 22:09transfer directly to the new system.
- 22:12That's a genuine loss, and it's reasonable to feel that way.
- 22:17The second element is building bridges to new identity.
- 22:20People struggling with identity threat need to see a path from
- 22:24who they are to who they could become, a path that preserves
- 22:30the continuity rather than requiring complete reinvention.
- 22:35This is where understanding the specific components of someone's
- 22:38professional identity becomes crucial.
- 22:42What do they value most about their expertise?
- 22:46Is it the knowledge itself, or is it being the person others
- 22:50come to for help? Is it the technical skills or is
- 22:55it the judgment developed through years of experience?
- 22:59Once you understand what aspects of identity are most threatened,
- 23:03you can help people see how those aspects might transfer to
- 23:08the new context. The senior scientist isn't
- 23:11becoming irrelevant, they're becoming someone who can apply
- 23:15decades of scientific judgment to validate and improve AI
- 23:20generated insights. Their identity as a wise
- 23:23counselor remains intact even as specific tool sets change.
- 23:29The third element is creating legitimate peripheral
- 23:32participation. This concept, originally
- 23:36developed by Lade and Wegner, describes how newcomers learn
- 23:41with communities of practice. They offer a powerful principle
- 23:45that I've adapted for experience or as experienced professionals
- 23:50navigating transformation. Rather than throwing people in
- 23:54the full immersion where their novice status is constantly
- 23:57visible, legitimate peripheral participation allows them to
- 24:01engage with new practices in ways that don't threaten their
- 24:05identity. As competent professionals, they
- 24:08contribute their existing expertise while gradually
- 24:12developing new capabilities. They mentor others in judgment
- 24:17as well as context while learning alongside them about
- 24:21the new tools. They then remain valuable to the
- 24:25community even while their specific role within it has
- 24:28evolved. This approach reduces the
- 24:31competence threat that makes people defensive, and it creates
- 24:34spaces for genuine learning. The 4th element is
- 24:38reconstructing professional narrative.
- 24:41Remember that people need a story that makes sense of their
- 24:44career. When change in transformation
- 24:46and validates that old story, you need to help them construct
- 24:50new ones that on other past while creating meaning into the
- 24:54future. The narrative isn't your old
- 24:57skills are obsolete and you need to start over.
- 25:00The narrative should become your career has been a journey of
- 25:03continuous development, and this change in transformation is the
- 25:08next chapter in that journey. The judgement, the perspective,
- 25:12the wisdom that you've developed through decades of experience
- 25:15are exactly what the organization needs to navigate
- 25:19this transition successfully. So this isn't spanner
- 25:24manipulation, it's genuinely reframing that helps people see
- 25:29their situation in ways that support psychological adaptation
- 25:33rather than resistance. The fifth element is building
- 25:38new communities of practice. If change in transformation
- 25:41threatens to dissolve the communities that give
- 25:44professional life meaning, you need to create new communities
- 25:48that can provide that same sense of belonging.
- 25:52This might mean forming cohorts of people going through similar
- 25:55transitions who can support each other.
- 25:58It might also mean creating hybrid communities where the
- 26:01experts in the old and new approaches work together on some
- 26:04shared problems. It might mean establishing new
- 26:08professional identities with their own communities, like
- 26:12change and transformation pioneers, digital translators
- 26:17who bridge then between legacy expertise and emerging
- 26:21capabilities. Let me bring this framework to
- 26:23life with the pharmaceutical company example I opened with.
- 26:27Once I understood that those 3 senior scientists were
- 26:30experiencing identity threat rather than simply resisting the
- 26:34technology, the intervention changed completely.
- 26:37Instead of more training on the new AI tools, we started by
- 26:41explicitly acknowledging what they were being asked to give
- 26:45up. In a private conversation with
- 26:47each scientist, I said something like this.
- 26:51You've spent 20 years developing intuition about data patterns
- 26:55that younger researchers can't see.
- 26:58The organization has benefited enormously from that expertise,
- 27:02and now we're asking you to work with a system that might
- 27:05challenge that intuition or make some of it less relevant.
- 27:10That, of course, is a significant ask, and I want you
- 27:14to know that we are recognizing what we're asking of you.
- 27:19That acknowledgement alone changed the emotional
- 27:21temperature of subsequent conversations.
- 27:24They no longer felt they had to hide their concern behind
- 27:27scientific objections. Next, I reframe the roles.
- 27:33Instead of positioning them as users of the new AI system,
- 27:37which of course then placed them in subordinate relationships to
- 27:41the technology, we positioned them as validators, the experts
- 27:45whose judgement the AI needed to be compared against.
- 27:50Their job wasn't to learn to trust the AI.
- 27:54Their job was to determine whether the AI deserved the
- 27:57organization's trust. This preserved their identity as
- 28:02the people with superior scientific judgment while
- 28:06creating a natural pathway to engagement with the new tools.
- 28:12I created an Insight Counsel where these senior scientists,
- 28:16along with other experienced researchers, would review the AI
- 28:20generated analysis and identify cases where the AI missed
- 28:24something their human judgment caught.
- 28:26This gave them legitimate peripheral participation, real
- 28:31engagement with the new system that leveraged rather than
- 28:34threaten their expertise. Over time, they developed their
- 28:38own expertise and understanding the AIS patterns and of course
- 28:42the limitations, but they came to it through the door of their
- 28:46existing identity rather than by abandoning it.
- 28:51Finally, we help them reconstruct the professional
- 28:54narrative. Instead of scientists whose
- 28:56expertise is being replaced by AI, the new story became
- 29:00scientists who are helping the organization understand when AI
- 29:06can and can't be trusted. That narrative positioned them
- 29:11is more valuable in the AI era, not less, because they possessed
- 29:17exactly the judgement and experience needed to prevent AI
- 29:21from making mistakes the less experienced researchers wouldn't
- 29:25catch. Within six months, those same
- 29:28three scientists who had been the biggest obstacles became the
- 29:32most credible advocates for the new system, not because they had
- 29:36been convinced or defeated, but because the transformation had
- 29:40been reframed in ways that address their identity rather
- 29:45than threatening them. The identity crisis of expertise
- 29:49I described today exists in every organization undergoing
- 29:53significant change in transformation.
- 29:55Your most experienced people, your subject matter experts,
- 29:59your senior leaders who have built their careers on specific
- 30:02knowledge and capabilities, all of them are facing questions
- 30:05about who they will become if the change in transformation
- 30:09succeeds. The resistance isn't about the
- 30:12change or transformation, it's about themselves.
- 30:17You know, most leaders fight this resistance as if it were
- 30:20opposition to the initiative. They provide more information
- 30:24about why the change is necessary.
- 30:26They create incentives for adoption.
- 30:29They apply pressure through accountability structures.
- 30:32And they're consistently surprised when highly
- 30:35intelligent, highly capable people continue to resist
- 30:39changes that seem obvious and beneficial.
- 30:43The framework that I shared today, the Identity Transition
- 30:46Framework, offers a different approach.
- 30:49Rather than fighting identity based resistance, it addresses
- 30:53the underlying psychological needs that generate resistance
- 30:57in the 1st place. Acknowledge the loss that people
- 31:01are experiencing. Build bridges from current
- 31:05identity to future identity. Create ways for people to
- 31:09participate in new practices without threatening their sense
- 31:13of confidence. Help them reconstruct
- 31:16professional narratives that makes sense of the transition
- 31:20and build communities that provide belonging in the new
- 31:24organizational reality. Adult development research is
- 31:28clear on this point. Identity transitions, not skill
- 31:32gaps, are the hardest part of mid career change.
- 31:37This isn't software, it's the hard work that determines
- 31:40whether change and transformation succeeds or
- 31:43fails. The 70% failure rate and
- 31:46organizational change and transformation isn't primarily
- 31:50about strategy or technology or project management.
- 31:54It's about human psychology. And identity is at the center of
- 32:00that psychology. In our next episode, Elizabeth
- 32:03Stewart returns to help me explore something that connects
- 32:06directly to what we've discussed today, the contagion effect, how
- 32:11emotions spread through organizations during a change in
- 32:15transformation. When leaders are experiencing
- 32:18identity threat along with the anxiety that comes with it, that
- 32:23emotion doesn't stay contained. It spreads through their teams,
- 32:27through their departments, and through the entire organization
- 32:31in ways that can accelerate adoption or silently destroy the
- 32:35initiatives. Understanding emotional
- 32:38contagion becomes essential for anyone leading change and
- 32:42transformation, particularly in complex organizations.
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- 33:00wrestling with resistance from their most experienced people.
- 33:04Understanding identity threat changes how you approach that
- 33:07resistance. And if you want weekly insights
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- 33:24Until next time, remember, the people resisting aren't fighting
- 33:29change. They're fighting for their sense
- 33:32of self. When you understand that, you
- 33:35can help them find a new self worth becoming.
- 33:40This has been the HUMAN Factor podcast.
- 33:42I'm Kevin Novak, thanks for watching or listening.