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Trauma, Addiction and The Dopamine Reset with Ronnie Landis · Reclaiming Consciousness

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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Reclaiming Consciousness.
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SPEAKER_01: My name is Elise Bassine, spiritual mentor, breathwork practitioner, and owner and CEO of Elise Breeds.
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SPEAKER_01: For many years, our consciousness has been hijacked by societal and cultural programming, religion, the media, and familial and ancestral trauma.
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SPEAKER_01: Right now, during this epic time in history, people are waking up, realizing who they really are, and reclaiming the pieces of their consciousness that they unknowingly gave away.
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SPEAKER_01: This podcast is an exploration of how so many spectacular humans are leading the way in exiting the matrix and reclaiming who they really are and what they're capable of.
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SPEAKER_01: In this show, you'll meet exceptional people who are paving the way in raising consciousness and creating a new way of living on this earth.
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SPEAKER_01: Get ready to go deep.
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SPEAKER_01: Now let's dive in.
1:00
SPEAKER_01: Hi everyone, welcome back to the show.
1:03
SPEAKER_01: So this week's guest is really awesome, and I loved this conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: So this week I'm talking with Ronnie Landis, who is the author of a book about addictions and um releasing addictions on a very deep, profound level.
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SPEAKER_01: And he also created this program called the Dopamine Reset, which helps you to reset your dopamine levels because we now live in a world where we are constantly bombarded by ways to get the next dopamine hit.
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SPEAKER_01: And his work is pretty profound and it really, really intrigues me.
1:41
SPEAKER_01: And I think you guys are gonna love it too.
1:43
SPEAKER_01: Cause I've been thinking a lot about this concept of dopamine, you know, that we get from our phones or from caffeine or from shopping or from whatever it is, right?
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SPEAKER_01: We all have our things.
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SPEAKER_01: And this protocol that he created to reset that is really quite profound.
1:58
SPEAKER_01: And um, just his body of work is really amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: So, and we have such a great conversation about trauma, about addiction, and where it stems from and all of that.
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SPEAKER_01: So I know you guys are really gonna love this conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: Also, I did an episode on his podcast, and his podcast is called Breaking Addictions, and that episode was really, really good too.
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SPEAKER_01: So you probably want to check that out also, because we've recorded them both in the same week, I think.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like almost a continuation of this conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: So definitely check that out and also follow him on Instagram and look him up in all the ways because you really are gonna love his work.
2:37
SPEAKER_01: Also, a couple announcements.
2:39
SPEAKER_01: So we are in pre-sale pricing for the Metamorphosis Method certification program until June 1st.
2:48
SPEAKER_01: So this program, you guys, I have been overwhelmed at the amazing response that I've gotten from this program launching.
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SPEAKER_01: I've had so many people reaching out to me saying that this is kind of the missing piece for them that they never knew they needed.
3:03
SPEAKER_01: And it's just so amazing to me to hear that and validating for me because I kind of knew that putting this body of work out there was so needed and going to impact and affect so many people.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: So this program is um basically, I'm gonna certify you in my methodology and teach you how to do what I do.
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SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna become embodied and being trauma-informed.
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SPEAKER_01: You're going to learn how to facilitate breath work for your clients, how to channel energy work for your clients, and how to utilize the tools that I've created from the metamorphosis to clear familial and ancestral trauma for good.
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SPEAKER_01: This is very profound because I know that most of you understand that clearing trauma and moving through those shadow aspects of yourself are a non-negotiable when it comes to growth.
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SPEAKER_01: And being able to do that for yourself in a streamlined way and also for your clients in a streamlined way is a complete game changer and adds a completely new dimension to the work that you're already doing and will definitely be adding to your income as well.
4:13
SPEAKER_01: Because when you do this work, you just start to make more money.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it happens with every single person.
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SPEAKER_01: So reach out to me about that, or you can get all the info on my website at elisebrees.com.
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SPEAKER_01: You can read all about it and apply right there.
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SPEAKER_01: And the discount for pre-sale pricing is$2,000 off the regular price, and that is available until June 1st.
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SPEAKER_01: Also, we still have a few spots left for the retreat, manifestation magic at the end of August in the Catskill Mountains.
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SPEAKER_01: That is gonna be quite powerful as well.
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SPEAKER_01: We are creating a portal to manifestation so that you can create the next level version of yourself during this four-day weekend.
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SPEAKER_01: You will get a one-on-one session with me, two group sessions with me, a group sound healing with Andrea Donnelly, a group movement class with Dahlia Brown, two yoga classes, a bonfire, a hike, all your meals are included.
5:06
SPEAKER_01: You guys, this is probably I'm never gonna be doing a retreat again at this price point.
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SPEAKER_01: So you better jump in now if you feel the pull.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, reach out to me about that too.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, my assistant Brandy has set up everything you need as far as like how to get here, if you're flying in and all of that.
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SPEAKER_01: So we have everything set up for you.
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SPEAKER_01: So just reach out to me about that.
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SPEAKER_01: Or again, you can get all the info on my website.
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SPEAKER_01: So without further ado, enjoy the episode.
5:36
SPEAKER_01: Hi, everyone, welcome back to the show.
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SPEAKER_01: I am super excited for today's guest.
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SPEAKER_01: So today we have with us Ronnie Landis, who is a leading expert in holistic health, natural nutrition, and human potential.
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SPEAKER_01: He powerfully supports driven entrepreneurs, athletes, performers, executives, and influencers to perform at their best mentally, emotionally, and physically.
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SPEAKER_01: Exploring the fringes of cutting-edge health sciences and food-based nutrition, Ronnie combines customized self-mastery training, supplementation strategies, and a deep passion for helping others overcome long-held mental and emotional roadblocks.
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SPEAKER_01: Love that, so that they can experience every area of their life at their full potential.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow, welcome to the show, Ronnie.
6:18
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for having me.
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SPEAKER_00: Happy to be here.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so let's just dive right in.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'd love to just hear like a little bit about your story and how you kind of ended up getting into this work.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's cool.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: It's so funny.
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SPEAKER_00: Last night I was talking to a fellow podcaster, and we were talking about the, you know, when we start podcasts and people ask us about our story, and it's almost like hard to respond to the question, and I will, but the the story piece, right?
6:44
SPEAKER_00: Because really so much of what I've been doing is letting go of stories.
6:48
SPEAKER_00: And so it's interesting backtracking through, which these podcasts give me a good opportunity to kind of like revisit kind of the journey, which I think is really important for all of us to see where we came from and how we got here and to chart the path forward.
7:01
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, for me, I was raised in martial arts.
7:05
SPEAKER_00: So from the age of four, I was put into martial arts, really inspired by the iconography of Bruce Lee, and um, you know, so many different influences in that world really shaped who I am.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: You know, it shaped me in my philosophical quest as a young teen in eastern spirituality, mysticism, Taoism, different pseudo-martial arts related spiritual approaches.
7:30
SPEAKER_00: And then going down more just like the Eastern mysticism, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Studying um Parish Mohandha, Yogananda, and um J.
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SPEAKER_00: Krishnamurti, and so many different, at the time, seemingly abstract, Eastern voices in mysticism.
7:46
SPEAKER_00: And so a very eclectic kind of spectrum of influences that shape my worldview.
7:51
SPEAKER_00: But I was really raised as an athlete, martial artist athlete.
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SPEAKER_00: And so really focusing on physical mastery and then integrating more of the mental psychological fitness through meditation, through breath work.
8:03
SPEAKER_00: Before breath work was even a thing, that's just part of like, you know, what we did in training to calm and center ourselves, and then visualization, visualizing the outcome that we wanted to experience, and then entraining the body and the nervous system to perform in the way that we wanted to perform.
8:21
SPEAKER_00: And so when I was 18, I was pursuing a professional career in Taekwondo, and I had my first knee injury.
8:28
SPEAKER_00: And that was kind of the first roadblock that caused me to pull back on my physical training and then start going more internal, just more reading, more reflection.
8:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, I had to do a lot of corrective exercising and rehabilitation.
8:44
SPEAKER_00: And I spent about a year going through that process and then got back into my training, started competing at a high level, and long story short, had another knee injury a couple of years later.
8:55
SPEAKER_00: And that was, I'd say it was really a turning of the fork for me as far as like my life's timeline.
9:02
SPEAKER_00: I was on one trajectory towards being an Olympic athlete and going really hardcore into like the sports and performance arena.
9:10
SPEAKER_00: And then life kind of just rerouted me through a number of different auspicious synchronicities and took me into the holistic healing world.
9:19
SPEAKER_00: And so it started out just as a way to increase sports performance, you know, studying nutrition, studying lifestyle, sleep optimization, different recovery training, things of this nature.
9:29
SPEAKER_00: And then I ended up making a long story very short.
9:34
SPEAKER_00: Through the process of learning how to heal my knees, I stumbled on YouTube University and then started exploring all these different concepts around nutrition.
9:45
SPEAKER_00: I got into the raw food lifestyle uh about 12, 13 years ago, stumbled on, who's now a very close friend of mine and was one of my original mentors, David Wolfe, and got really deep into that world.
9:58
SPEAKER_00: And that completely just like opened my mind big time.
10:03
SPEAKER_00: And I decided to run an experiment, which was I wanted to see what would happen if I adopted a 100% raw food vegan lifestyle, and just to see what would happen.
10:14
SPEAKER_00: I heard so many incredible stories about reversing and curable diseases and conditions, and I just wanted to run the experiment, so I did, and within 30 days, I completely healed all the inflammation in my knees, all the joint pain.
10:29
SPEAKER_00: I got into barefoot running because I read a book called Born to Run from Christopher McDougal.
10:35
SPEAKER_00: And so I started taking off the rubber cast sole shoe that was encasing my foot and constricting it that I came to learn.
10:45
SPEAKER_00: And then I started just getting into nature essentially, because that's that's essentially what happens when you get into this type of lifestyle.
10:52
SPEAKER_00: It's not just about the food.
10:54
SPEAKER_00: The food is like the entry point, it's like the like kind of the catalyst, but it's really a return back to nature, and that's what started to happen to me.
11:01
SPEAKER_00: I started to get attracted to going to parks and getting into sunbathing and sun gazing and getting into bodies of water and getting to the point where I was literally sourcing spring water from the source, like going on like mile-long hikes with some friends from a website called findaspring.com and literally just and spring water hunting, you know, and getting really tapped into the rhythms of nature and infusing my body with nature.
11:29
SPEAKER_00: And that caused a massive consciousness shift for me.
11:33
SPEAKER_00: And that basically started an entire what I call like a timeline shift in my life's trajectory.
11:38
SPEAKER_00: My life was going one way, and then something happened, and then it got diverted and went a completely different way.
11:44
SPEAKER_00: And that was about 12 years ago, and that was my entry point into the holistic healing world.
11:51
SPEAKER_00: And then I decided to become a professional nutritionist and studying all kinds of different modalities and therapies around holistic healing, physical healing, disease reversal, physical optimization.
12:03
SPEAKER_00: And then over the years of doing that, I got really interested in developmental psychology and integrating those two worlds, you know, integrating the mind and the body and understanding how the two intersect and ultimately that the two are actually one and the same.
12:19
SPEAKER_00: The mind is the body, the body is the mind, and they're basically a feedback system reflecting back to each other what's going on.
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SPEAKER_00: So something showing up in the body as a physical ailment, it's a reflection of some sort of imbalance within the mind, and vice versa.
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SPEAKER_00: If the body is, it has some sort of inflammation, some sort of digestive imbalance or infection or autoimmune reaction, then it's going to agitate the mind.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: And so I started really getting deep into that aspect of things.
12:49
SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, over the years, it's it's just gone as deep as I could go, just understanding the nature of healing, human transformation, consciousness, so many different things that we could go down the rabbit hole into.
13:03
SPEAKER_00: But that's a little bit about my origin story.
13:06
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
13:06
SPEAKER_01: I feel like there's so many directions to go to go from there.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and I can relate to so much of it.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't know if you know much of my story, but I discovered breath work in 2001 when I was 19.
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SPEAKER_01: No one knew what it was.
13:24
SPEAKER_01: And I remember I was just so drawn to it and I started doing it and taking all these trainings and stuff.
13:28
SPEAKER_01: And I remember like some of my friends would like try to tell other people what I did, and I would be like, just don't.
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SPEAKER_01: Because nobody, nobody got it.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: And the whole raw food thing totally got into that back at that time and everything.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so much I can relate to, and also developmental psychology and all of that.
13:49
SPEAKER_01: I have a background as a school counselor, so like totally is so important in like understanding ourselves and all of it.
13:58
SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, I guess really the road I kind of want to go down is I know you do a lot with addiction and trauma, and I'd love to kind of dive deep into that.
14:08
SPEAKER_01: So, like, as far as you know, this awakening process that we're in, how do you see the role of trauma and addiction playing a part in all of that?
14:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great question.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a deep one too, because since 2020, I I really spent a significant amount of that time, the majority of that time, especially during that year, really diverting from kind of my more professional path and going really deep down what people call the quote unquote rabbit hole, which it is a rabbit hole.
14:38
SPEAKER_00: And the deeper you get into it, the darker it gets, and you need to kind of eventually find your way back to the light and integrate everything that you you learn down those cubbyholes.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: And speaking of like the awakening, right, there is a massive awakening that's taking place in the collective, and it's also reverberating throughout each one of us who is on the awakening path.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is essentially what started to lead me into integrating trauma release therapies, somatic release therapies, and just the vast subject of trauma, and then also addiction.
15:13
SPEAKER_00: I've been studying addiction and trauma, you know, on and off throughout the years because you you get into these things being a holistic practitioner and helping people heal.
15:22
SPEAKER_00: You know, you have an awareness of these things, but for me, it didn't really integrate deeply into my work until I started going into the process of unearthing the trauma that existed within me.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: And this is, you know, this has been going on for years.
15:37
SPEAKER_00: I think in 2015, I really got introduced to certain um modalities like neuromuscular release therapies, um, and working with the body and the nervous system and kind of like unhinging the stored trauma that gets stored in our cellular battery pack.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: And so that started to take me down a pretty deep journey.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: But it wasn't until about 2020 that it really became obvious to me that addiction is at the root of all the problems in the world.
16:06
SPEAKER_00: And there's a lot of layers and levels we can address that from.
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SPEAKER_00: And the the trauma response patterns, which are basically like strauma response patterns.
16:16
SPEAKER_00: This word strauma is is worth mentioning.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: So strauma is essentially a stress plus time.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow, yeah.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: So we carry stress as recorded memory patterns in our nervous system, all the way from conception, you know, into our mother is basically like imprinting us with her trauma that's unresolved.
16:41
SPEAKER_00: And then we're born into this aberrant situation in this world, and depending on what our birth process was like, and um, you know, our influences in our emotional and psychological and physical influences, we imprint these things into us.
16:56
SPEAKER_00: They become incorporated and stored into our nervous system and our psyche because, as young children, we don't have the cognitive ability to process our experiences.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: And so they just kind of get stored and recorded over time.
17:12
SPEAKER_00: And depending on the belief systems that we have adopted to create meaning out of these is going to determine like the depth of how that affects us going through our formative years into our adulthood.
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SPEAKER_00: So we accumulate stress in many different forms throughout our life, and then so stress plus the accumulation of time creates some sort of compression within us, and then that's what we call trauma.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: Yes, I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that definition.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and there's also a further point I want to make on that, since I mentioned that this thing around time is really interesting.
17:47
SPEAKER_00: I've been studying quantum physics and mechanics for about 10 years as a side study, and even starting to incorporate that into the modalities that I work with, helping people excavate their psyche from the constraints of time or the conceptual constraints of time, because time in of itself is actually, it's not that time's an illusion.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: The concept of time and time itself are two different things.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: So, like our concept of time is actually just like um, it's like a management system, like the Gregorian calendar, the Julian calendar.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a numerical energy management system, but it doesn't actually explain what time is.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So time is actually just seasons and cycles, like life cycles, like the cycles of nature, for example.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: And then within our body, we have hormonal cycles, we have circadian cycles or rhythms.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: So everything's operating based on rhythms and seasons and cycles.
18:49
SPEAKER_00: So this whole thing could be just about this.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: I just wanted two bullet points that are coming to mind that I think are being really like illuminating for people.
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SPEAKER_00: So when we talk about trauma, what ends up happening is that as we go through our adult years, if we have unresolved emotional impacts from our childhood, or maybe it's like through from relationships or sexual abuse or emotional physical abuse, whatever it was, if those things have been unresolved, there is a part of us as an adult that is emotionally stuck in time.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Right?
19:23
SPEAKER_00: Because that because that child or that teenager had an emotional impact and almost like crystallizes, like they get stuck, that part of them gets stuck in time.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't develop alongside chronologically with the adult.
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SPEAKER_00: And then that manifests itself in things we call triggers or or trauma responses, um, emotional outbursts, you know, these kind of things.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: Yes, I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: I almost I got the image because I've said this a lot, but when you said that, I saw the image of kind of like if there was a tree and there was like a fence in front of it, and if the tree would like grow around the fence, you know, or and it it affects how the tree grows.
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SPEAKER_00: Totally perfect example.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like if you have a broken bone and the bone isn't reset, then the musculature will form itself, but it'll abnormally form around that broken bone.
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SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times we don't even, when it's emotional stuff, we don't even know.
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SPEAKER_00: Totally.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: We don't even know.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: And that's why I'm always telling people like the only way you know is like from you know the results you're seeing in your outer world.
20:32
SPEAKER_01: But a lot of times people aren't even aware because as kids, everything that seems normal, even if it doesn't feel normal, you just think it's normal because you don't know anything else.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that's a really great point you made.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: So like one of the things when it comes to healing trauma, having this perspective of time, I like to talk about what's the timelessness perspective.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: Because in our chronologically trained linear, very binary left brain analytical mind, we tend to think that there's a certain incremental process to anything, manifesting your life, your creating a business, relationship, whatever it is.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: And there is that, right?
21:16
SPEAKER_00: There is the obvious, very like 3D practical lag time that it takes to, you know, step by step to create things.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: That's true, and that's that's a whole conversation.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: But what I want to get at is the timeless perspective, like timeless mind, ageless body.
21:32
SPEAKER_00: And so when you can psycho spiritually is the best way of putting it, unhook yourself from the constraints of time, then the body actually starts to spontaneously heal itself because the body has an inner physician within it, it actually knows what to do.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: The body itself has its own intelligence, it's an avatar, essentially.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: So it's to the degree that we can actually get out of the way of the body's innate intelligence and go.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: From incremental progress to exponential progress.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: And this is the whole thing with spontaneous healing and the work that people like Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Joe Dispenza or Greg Braden or Bruce Lipton or some of these amazing people, this is essentially what they're getting at.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: And trauma in of itself, because it's essentially like an imprint or even like a phantom limb, for example, that is stored in time.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: Then if you can pop that trauma box and you can unhook yourself from the constraints of time, then you can spontaneously heal any form of trauma.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: It's going to be different for everybody because everybody is their own riddle, wrapped up in their own enigma.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: And it is a riddle.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: Healing is a riddle, and it's unique to the individual.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: Everyone's journey is unique.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: But just on that point, there's chronological aging and then there's biological aging.
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SPEAKER_00: So chronological is just like you're 10, you're 20, you're 30, you're 40, or 50, etc.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's a certain meaning associated with each one of those numbers, right?
23:05
SPEAKER_00: Based on society and what we think we should feel like at those particular junctions in time.
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SPEAKER_00: And then there's biological aging, which is just the age of your cells.
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SPEAKER_00: And we know now that you could be 50 years old and have the biological age of someone who's 30 years old.
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SPEAKER_00: They're not in direct um parallel to each other.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: You can also be 30 years old and be biologically 50 or 60.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: Right.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: And so that's just a perspective to give to people that your age doesn't actually dictate your vitality, your health, your life force, you know, what your lot in life, right?
23:42
SPEAKER_00: We've all heard these kind of things.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: So okay.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: So I love like this whole perspective on trauma.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: It's very similar to kind of what I've surmised over the years.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: So then let's put the puzzle pieces together with addiction, right?
23:57
SPEAKER_01: So, like, how does it go together?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, cool.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
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SPEAKER_00: And that helped ground this out a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: So I really like what Gabar Mate says about addiction, which is that addiction is not your problem.
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SPEAKER_00: Your addiction is an attempt to solve a problem.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: Yes, love that.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: That is always the best entry point for this conversation.
24:15
SPEAKER_00: Addiction is an attempt to solve a problem.
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SPEAKER_00: So then we have to ask ourselves, what is the problem?
24:21
SPEAKER_00: What is the real problem that I'm attempting to solve?
24:23
SPEAKER_00: What is the internal disconnect, the tension, the inner conflict, the identity, crisis or conflict, that restlessness, the anxiety, the depression, whatever the sensations that I'm struggling with, that's what I have to start to address because the addictions are essentially just coping mechanisms.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: They're external coping tools to help medicate, sedate, or to tranquilize or to numb out the sensations within me that I don't have a better strategy for, or I'm just not conscious of altogether.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: That's essentially to me, like what the basics of addiction are.
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SPEAKER_00: Now it gets now we can go a lot deeper, obviously, but most, if not all, addictions are rooted in some form of trauma.
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SPEAKER_00: And trauma's small like micro fractures, all the way to, you know, like really deeply layered in um, you know, more extreme versions of trauma.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a spectrum.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Like trauma and addiction are spectrums.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: That's what I want to say about it.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: Some people might feel like, oh, well, that person over there, they they have it really bad.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Like me, I didn't really go through that much.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: I had a semi-normal childhood.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Maybe there's a few things that happened, but not really a big deal.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: You can't compare.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: There's no comparing your trauma to someone else's.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: We were all born and raised in a trauma-based culture, an addiction creating culture, essentially.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: That that's the word culture is root for cult.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: And culture, it's a culture, it's an organism of its own.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: And so much of it is bred based on consumerism and addiction and conformity and you know, hurting people towards a particular agenda, which now we've really kind of seen through 2020 and the years that have progressed.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: We've really seen what that looks like.
26:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: And so just understanding the world that we live in, we've all been influenced in some form or fashion by addiction and trauma.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: And also the addiction piece, you know, David Hawking's scale of uh shame.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: Oh yes, yes, we're shame.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you.
26:35
SPEAKER_00: Shame, guilt, fear, doubt, these kinds of emotions, these are the glue that holds the addictions together.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: Because people might be struggling with addiction and wondering why they're struggling and not knowing how they can work their way out of it.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: There's the biochemical aspect, the dopamine system, which I'm happy to get into.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: That's a huge thing that I talk about.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: And I have a 30-day program around dopamine resetting, which is an essential aspect neurochemically and psychologically to go through a dopamine reset because it will literally reset not just your neurochemical system, but it'll also reset your ego.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: Well, can you talk about that a little bit?
27:17
SPEAKER_01: Because I just have to tell you, I've looked at your dopamine reset because I knew someone who did it, and I really want to do it, but it scares the shit out of me.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: So can you talk about it a little bit?
27:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this comes up quite a bit.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's so scary.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: Well, well, yeah, I'd love to talk to you about that.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: But I'm glad you brought that up because okay, so the dopamine reset is actually one of the most liberating things that anybody can do.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: And this so in 2020, this really came up for me big time when I went deeper into this.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: I had my own things that I was dealing with tobacco habit, you know, working through caffeine, you know, this little caffeine coffee addiction that I had going on, different things of that nature.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: And it just became so obvious to me that not only is this not serving me at all, it's hindering me.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: And I seem to keep going back to this.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: It seems to become like a perpetual loop that I'm dealing with.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: And that's when I got into the subject of dopamine resetting.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: And I started leading groups through these 40-day dopamine reset programs.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: And essentially, what the dopamine reset is, it's a structured process of removing what we call dopaminergic stimulating behaviors.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: There's a whole like strategy built into this to make it as easy and seamless for people.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, so let's actually just talk about dopamine for a second.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: Let's just understand what dopamine is.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: So dopamine is the most powerful motivating force in the body.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Dopamine actually is what governs the motivational neural networks of the brain.
28:56
SPEAKER_00: So it determines what you're motivated towards and what you're not motivated toward.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: And so for people that maybe you feel like you're struggling with motivation, you feel like a little lethargic, your energy levels are a little up and down, sleep cycles are up and down, you need the cup of coffee or the nicotine or you know, whatever it is, the sugar, whatever it may be.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: You feel like you need these things outside of yourself to get yourself up and going, to be motivated or even inspired.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: You need to watch a YouTube video, listen to a podcast, just to get yourself kind of perked up.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: That's indicative of a dopamine imbalance.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: What we want to do is we want to reroute the dopamine system to be motivated by things that are going to fulfill us long term, versus being motivated towards things that only provide immediate gratification.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: So it's like chasing pleasure to avoid pain.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: That's the cycle.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: And if you're listening to this and you find yourself in that place, I want you just to take a deep breath, just really acknowledge that, and then know that there is a way out of that.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: Because that is actually basically the addiction cycle in a nutshell.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: It's chasing pleasure to avoid pain, right?
30:14
SPEAKER_00: And ultimately what happens is the more we push the pleasure button down, down, down, the pain tolerance starts to stack up, but it's like a seesaw because in your brain, you actually have a system that regulates pain and pleasure in the reward system of the brain.
30:32
SPEAKER_00: So the more pleasure that you focus on, but you avoid pain, it's actually gonna build up a debt system.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: That's the best way to think of it about it.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: And we know that the pleasure starts to diminish.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: And so you and you need more of the thing in order to feel more of the effect that you felt before.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: And so your dopamine tolerance starts to go up.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden, that thing that was once enjoyable starts to become less enjoyable.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: And now the pain seesaw is starting to flip because your brain always wants to be in homeostasis, it doesn't want to be too high or too low.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: If it's too high, then that means that there's probably too much dopamine going on.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: There's an imbalance.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: If it's too low, we start to get into depression.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: And by the way, dopamine also controls time perception.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: That is interesting.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: This is super interesting.
31:25
SPEAKER_00: And this has a lot to do with trauma, it has a lot to do with like addiction patterns.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: So, for example, if your dopamine is hyper-stimulated, you tend to be more future-oriented because dopamine is stimulated in the brain in the anticipation of a future event.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is really where it gets really interesting.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: So when you think about something pleasurable in the future, a little bit of dopamine is triggered as a motivational catalyst to get you to move in that direction.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so for some people, you might get that from thinking about a workout that you're gonna do later, thinking about a yoga class, thinking about a green juice, thinking about a healthy meal, thinking about a special someone that you want to go and see.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: For some people, it might be that cup of coffee in the morning, it might be that cigarette, it might be that, for some people, it might be pornography, it might be uh, you know, the cannabis, whatever it is.
32:24
SPEAKER_00: You just want to gauge, like really meditate on this and just actually feel into where your mind goes and what sensations arise in your body in relation to that, because that will tell you whether you're being guided towards immediate gratification or long-term fulfillment.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's so interesting.
32:45
SPEAKER_01: Because I feel like that's kind of not always easy to discern.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: It's definitely a dedication to self-inquiry.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: And this is why the dopamine reset program and the way that I've structured it is so effective and so important.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: And I just want to finish this last little thing that I was talking about on time perception.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: So let's say you're pushing that dopamine button down quite a bit, and then so you become very future oriented.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: When you're in that state, you tend to be time speeds up a bit.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: Like the perception of time starts to speed up.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: But when your dopamine is really low, you tend to be past oriented.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: You're thinking about the past a lot, which is more related to depression.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that makes so much sense.
33:30
SPEAKER_01: Because when you think about like that depressive state, you're thinking about like what happened in the past or what you should have done differently, or what you regret, or you know what I mean?
33:39
SPEAKER_01: Like all that kind of line of thinking.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: And we, you know, and we know this in psychiatric, like psychiatric, when you study psychiatric medications and things, like so much of it is actually just dopaminergic and serotonin-based medications.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: So without going on a long thing on that, which we could just kind of bringing, coming back to the point.
34:00
SPEAKER_00: This is why the dopamine reset idea is so important.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: This was single-handedly the most effective thing that I did for myself to get myself out of that past-future seesaw.
34:13
SPEAKER_00: Like this is what most people are dealing with, right?
34:15
SPEAKER_00: Focusing on the future, focusing on the past, but never anchored and integrated in the present moment.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure that's that's a lot of what you focus on with your work.
34:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: But it's just it's interesting to look at it through that lens, just as far as the on what it's focused on.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: Cause like to me, when I thought about it, oh, well, it just means like you have to like stop having dopamine or something, you know?
34:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's opposite of what I want.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: It's like um, you're rerouting the system, right?
34:46
SPEAKER_00: So you're rerouting the chemical feedback system from being in train towards short-term immediate gratification to retraining it towards long-term sustainable fulfillment.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: So there's multiple steps that I take people through.
35:02
SPEAKER_00: There is a nutritional and supplemental aspect to this.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: So part of it is that as you're letting go of the things that are not serving you, that are short-circuiting your dopamine receptors, because that's another thing that happens, is that you can short circuit the receptor sites of the dopamine system.
35:21
SPEAKER_00: So the more dopamine you produce, there's not enough receptors to receive the influx of dopamine, and they get blunted over time.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: So that's when we feel numbed out by life.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: And then we need more stimulants, right?
35:35
SPEAKER_00: Just to feel something.
35:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:37
SPEAKER_00: We're literally blunting out our circuitry.
35:39
SPEAKER_01: And it's interesting too, just like with the way that we're programmed and like the media and cell phones and all of that is literally making us the opposite of this.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: And that's like, I mean, I'm I know it's like by design, but it still is really crazy how we have to kind of go through this kind of detox just to get back to normal, quote unquote, from what we've been subjected to just by basically being a human on planet Earth.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're living in, I mean, aberrant is really just the word that continues to come up.
36:22
SPEAKER_00: We're just living in a very strange, abstracted, um digitized reality.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: The whole um source code of all healing, no matter what it is, is returning back to nature.
36:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: And there's the returning back to physical nature, and then there's also returning back to our inherent nature as human beings and undomesticating ourselves and untethering ourselves from this alternate virtual reality that our brain gets entrained to because our brain doesn't have a context for what's real and what's not.
36:58
SPEAKER_00: Right.
36:58
SPEAKER_00: So when you're on social media, your brain will trigger the reward system in the brain, which dopamine is related to, as the motivational force.
37:09
SPEAKER_00: So when you're motivated towards something, you'll get these little reward signals to track progress, to keep you motivated, to keep you going.
37:18
SPEAKER_00: If you're getting that from your likes and engagement and these notifications on your phone, and these kind of like simulatory responses to simulate a real sense of reward or progress, but it's a simulation.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: The brain doesn't actually distinguish between what's real and what's not.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: Then that's when we get into this very strange territory, being able to toggle between what's real and what's not.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: And that's a lot of where we find ourselves right now.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: And even in the dopamine reset, there's an entire social media protocol.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: There's a supplemental protocol, and then there's also an actual blueprint for how to how to navigate your social media use, especially if maybe you're an influencer, you use it for posting content or for your business.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: There's actually an approach that I've developed to streamline that process so you don't get caught into the digital disconnection dilemma.
38:21
SPEAKER_00: There's actually a way to approach it where you can still use it as a tool, but keep it as a tool.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: You're not just like scrolling whenever you get bored or whatever.
38:30
SPEAKER_00: There's actually a strategy to use it as a tool.
38:34
SPEAKER_00: And then you just have the apps on your phone when you use it, and then when you're done, delete the app off the phone, and then only upload it when you're going to use it.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: That's actually what was I was going to ask you next, because that's something that I know I come up against, and I know other people do too, as an entrepreneur, as a business owner who primarily gets clients through social media.
39:00
SPEAKER_01: It's like I don't want to be on social media all the time.
39:03
SPEAKER_01: And I see, like, I'm aware of the way that it affects my brain.
39:08
SPEAKER_01: Like I can feel it and I can see it, and I can feel the and then there's also this very real thing of like, as a business owner, as somebody who helps people, when you do get that feedback, or somebody reaches out to you, or somebody wants to work with you, or somebody signs up, or somebody has an amazing thing happen, right?
39:28
SPEAKER_01: Due to your work, like obviously that is something that is going to make you feel really good.
39:35
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, so it's like balancing that, which is real, right?
39:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, with this digital mind, whatever that we're dealing with right now.
39:47
SPEAKER_01: So I think that's so helpful and important.
39:50
SPEAKER_01: And really, you don't really see that anywhere.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: There's literally nothing like this program.
39:55
SPEAKER_00: And I know because I I I had to create it.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: I released a book last year called The Addiction Free Lifestyle.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: And um, it's a really deep and comprehensive dive into just everything to do with addiction, a lot about trauma, brain, scientific information on brain health, and I mean so many different things.
40:12
SPEAKER_00: I go into every every aspect that I could really conceive of.
40:16
SPEAKER_00: But in that book, I also created a dopamine reset program, and that was really kind of the rough draft of what now the actual video course and program is, where I take people through a very detailed, dirty video course, which you can go at your own pace, and and it's just really educational and insightful.
40:37
SPEAKER_00: But there's a PDF protocol that I built into it where people can start to take themselves through this process themselves.
40:44
SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't have to be an all or nothing kind of thing.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: It's really a choose your own adventure kind of deal because ultimately what I'm doing is I'm setting a template and a blueprint for how to upgrade your operating system and how to start reestablishing healthy control systems in your life based on natural health principles, a lot of the things that we're all familiar with, but going into a little bit more detail on how to, for example, how to structure your day for your waking and sleeping cycles.
41:18
SPEAKER_00: We all know that sleep regulation is super important, but most people just don't do it, or they don't know how to do it, or they have problems sleeping and all that kind of thing.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: So I actually take people through a very simplified process to effectively master your sleep cycles.
41:36
SPEAKER_00: And it's a template.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: So I'm providing essentially like a lifestyle template or blueprint that people can follow and then they can start implementing into their life as it makes sense, and then it'll just be one thing that builds on top of another.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: And over the course of 30 days of doing this, you will definitely notice some significant changes.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: Some people notice life-changing, you know, changes, but it's meant to be carried out over time, it's not just a 30-day all-or-nothing kind of process.
42:10
SPEAKER_00: It certainly you can go at it like that.
42:12
SPEAKER_00: And if you do it all the way, it will be incredibly effective.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: But it's not meant to be just like a 30-day thing.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: It's meant to be something that you build upon over time.
42:21
SPEAKER_01: Right.
42:21
SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: And I also feel like when it comes to making any real change, lasting change, it has to be that way.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: I'll definitely just talk to you more about that because I feel like I'm supposed to do that.
42:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm just, you know, it's funny because like literally the only thing that I hear in my mind is like, but I don't want to stop drinking coffee in the morning.
42:41
SPEAKER_01: Like, that's literally the only thing that I think.
42:43
SPEAKER_01: Everything else I think I'd be like totally fine.
42:46
SPEAKER_01: But I'm sure everyone always has that one thing that scares them.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and there's there's actually an entire coffee protocol.
42:53
SPEAKER_00: So in the PDF, there's there's a coffee protocol, there's a cannabis protocol, there's a tobacco protocol, there's a refined sugar and carbohydrate protocol, um, social media protocol.
43:04
SPEAKER_00: So I built those individual protocols into the PDF to actually help people streamline that process supplementally, is my understanding of how these things affect the brain and what's really going on there.
43:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:18
SPEAKER_00: And how to mitigate the withdrawal process.
43:21
SPEAKER_00: Is the withdrawal process really just like a it's a neurochemical dependency?
43:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, so we just have to like streamline that, mitigate that, and then the brain comes back into a state of auto-regulation.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting, like the fear that comes up because what where is that fear coming from?
43:40
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's it's just like some sort of ego identity that has associated itself chemically to that exogenous substance, but that's not really who we are.
43:52
SPEAKER_00: That's not really the true self.
43:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: It's funny.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: I did a juice cleanse like a couple weeks ago, and I didn't have coffee.
43:59
unknown: And
44:00
SPEAKER_01: It was much more just my mind, like just my mind, because I was just observing it because I'm like, okay, well, I'm doing this cleanse.
44:08
SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I'm not drinking coffee.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: And I only have it once a day, usually.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: But anyway, I was observing, and I'm just like, what is happening in my mind?
44:18
SPEAKER_01: And it was more like my brain was having this sadness or like feeling like I was missing out or losing somehow, like losing something.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it was really interesting to observe.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I didn't come to any major conclusions.
44:35
SPEAKER_01: I stopped started drinking it again right after my cleanse.
44:38
SPEAKER_01: But but yeah, so it's just it's really interesting.
44:42
SPEAKER_01: And all of that blows my mind as far as like just with the trauma work that I do and just seeing the way that addiction kind of develops.
44:51
SPEAKER_01: And this is not anything that I've that I know other than just energetically tuning into people and feeling like what is underneath of the addiction.
45:02
SPEAKER_01: So it's really interesting.
45:04
SPEAKER_01: But I kind of want to like shift gears a little bit because I want to get your take on so we talked about like the awakening that's happening, and we talked about trauma and also getting back to nature.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: So how do you see, because I know we all know that everything's shifting and changing on the planet and all of this stuff, but do you see more people coming back to nature?
45:28
SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you kind of see these next few years evolving or the next, you know, five, 10 years?
45:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I I think the next five to 10 years I can categorize as the rehabilitation of humanity.
45:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that's that's kind of been made clear to me.
45:45
SPEAKER_00: And so we're we're gonna have to go through some sort of rehabilitation process where people are gonna have to learn how to walk again, how to think for themselves, how to be, how to feel, how to interact with the world as the old structures and the paradigmical kind of belief structures, conceptual structures of what reality is or what they thought it was, the financial structures, everything that's going through a massive shift right now, it's gonna go through highs and lows.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna go through cycles.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: And that's what people need to understand.
46:21
SPEAKER_00: So nothing is gonna be static and nothing is gonna be forever.
46:25
SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be cycles like there always are, and you have to learn how to ride those cyclical waves.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: And you can't do it if you're emotionally dysregulated.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: Right.
46:37
SPEAKER_00: If you're psychically dysregulated and you're all over the place and scattered, you're not in your body, you're in your head, you're trying to figure everything out analytically, or you're trying to go back to old reference points of what might have worked before and apply that to the situation now, that's not gonna work.
46:54
SPEAKER_00: And you're gonna be beating your head against the wall.
46:57
SPEAKER_00: So a lot of this is actually it's really just a spiritual process, ultimately.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: It's it's really gonna come down to how much can you surrender your your need to control to allow what's unfolding.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: And so there has to be a spiritual base, right?
47:14
SPEAKER_00: And by the way, this is also why the dopamine reset is so critical right now, because when you go through this process, you're going to learn a lot about yourself.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: You're going to initiate yourself into a new version of yourself that is stable.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: Nervous system is stable because that's what we need.
47:37
SPEAKER_00: We need stability.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: If we're needing stimulation, we're needing stimulants to get us to go, but it's like the up and down, it's the the highs and the lows.
47:48
SPEAKER_00: We're not going to be stable enough to be able to deal with those cyclical changes that are only now starting to emerge.
47:57
SPEAKER_00: And you know, sometimes it gets worse before it gets better, but it is going to get better.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: That much I know for sure.
48:02
SPEAKER_00: Like it is going to get better.
48:04
SPEAKER_00: We're going through kind of like a chrysalis phase where the caterpillar dissolves into chrysalis and becomes the butterfly, but we kind of have to let it go through its process.
48:16
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I just really feel like self-love is at the core of this.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: And to me, self-love is actually just about how are you going to take care of yourself?
48:26
SPEAKER_00: Or what are you prioritizing in your life?
48:28
SPEAKER_00: Are you prioritizing what other people think and being a people pleaser and going outside of yourself for validation and things of this nature?
48:38
SPEAKER_00: Or are you going to prioritize your own healing and your own sanity, your own sense of balance and composure, and really just focusing on the things that are real, like family, relationships, health, you know, joy, happiness, like getting into nature, you know, and also like if you're doing something that you genuinely don't enjoy, you you need to find a way out of it.
49:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, a hundred percent.
49:04
SPEAKER_01: I say that all the time.
49:05
SPEAKER_01: I've been getting this download a lot that it's just gonna keep getting harder and harder to do things that are out of alignment.
49:12
SPEAKER_01: And it's gonna get to the point where it feels so painful.
49:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:16
SPEAKER_01: And I've been seeing that a lot.
49:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, whatever weight that you're carrying, you got to let it go.
49:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:22
SPEAKER_00: You got to let it go.
49:23
SPEAKER_00: Because we need people with strong shoulders.
49:26
SPEAKER_00: But if you're carrying the weight of the world and you're carrying other people's baggage, you got to cut those cords, you got to let those things go, and you got to liberate yourself from all of that.
49:37
SPEAKER_00: Because this rehabilitation process that we're we're entering into is gonna require more and more of us that are not only like living of the life, but are actually embodied and integrated human beings, like fully integrated adults, basically, is what we need on this planet.
49:55
SPEAKER_00: And people are gonna need a lot of help and they're gonna need guidance, and they're gonna need people that they can trust that are reliable and stable.
50:02
SPEAKER_00: So we we have to initiate ourselves into that process by simply loving ourselves enough to take care of ourselves holistically and then just surrender.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: Like literally, you know, that's a whole conversation.
50:15
SPEAKER_00: What I mean by surrender is not give up.
50:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean surrender our need for control, surrender the things that are not good for us, that are not serving us, and actually surrender the mind into the heart.
50:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
50:27
SPEAKER_01: And I love that you brought up the self-love piece because I always say, I always make this joke that when I first started reading the Akashic Records, I went into my own records and I remember the first, the first message that I would get overwhelmingly, like all the time, was you need to love yourself more, you need to learn to love yourself more, love yourself, self-love, love yourself.
50:48
SPEAKER_01: And I remember just being like, God, this is so boring.
50:52
SPEAKER_01: Like, you have to give me like some real like information.
50:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, come on, this is like so cliche.
50:59
SPEAKER_01: But then I, you know, as I like go through this process, right?
51:03
SPEAKER_01: And like on my own journey of healing and all of that stuff, I'm like, no, that's actually the most important thing.
51:10
SPEAKER_01: Love and acceptance of yourself, which sounds it sounds simple, but it's like probably the most challenging thing that we can do as humans.
51:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a strange like paradox or enigma of some sort because there's just so many barriers that we have created between ourselves and ourselves.
51:34
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, and it's it's interesting, like self-love.
51:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, it really is like actually the easiest and most simple thing.
51:42
SPEAKER_00: It's like actually doing things that you enjoy, that you genuinely enjoy just for the fact that you enjoy it.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: And it's like how you treat other people that you love and care about, you know, you go out of your way, you you do things, you get gifts on birthdays, you know, it's like that same graciousness that you give to other people.
52:00
SPEAKER_00: Can you give that to yourself?
52:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
52:03
SPEAKER_00: You are the number one person in your life.
52:06
SPEAKER_00: And can you really treat yourself the way that you truly want to be treated?
52:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's when where I kind of like relate it back to the trauma piece, because I always say that we we treat ourselves the way that our parents treated us.
52:20
SPEAKER_01: And we have to deprogram from that, right?
52:22
SPEAKER_01: Because we don't even realize we're doing it, where we literally are like, you know, your mother's voice in your head like criticizing you or whatever it is, like we don't even realize that we're doing it, but we literally just start talking to ourselves in that same way.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: And um, and a lot of it is like subconscious or unconscious.
52:42
SPEAKER_01: So that's why bringing it back to the trauma, it's so important to like peel back those layers and understand those deeper patterns of energy that are running.
52:51
SPEAKER_01: Because until you do, you're just gonna keep kind of perpetuating it.
52:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
52:56
SPEAKER_00: And you can you can recirculate the trauma by like going back over the story over and over and over.
53:02
SPEAKER_00: And we got to get out of stories.
53:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we got to get out of belief systems and start entertaining possibilities.
53:08
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
53:09
SPEAKER_00: Just like entertaining what are the possibilities for my life?
53:13
SPEAKER_00: Where can I develop more hope and more inspiration and more forward thinking?
53:18
SPEAKER_00: Like really cultivating that energy and displacing the fear, the false evidence appearing real.
53:25
SPEAKER_00: That's just really a somatic response in our nervous system based on these belief systems and these stories that we've developed over time because they're familiar, whether they serve us or don't, or get us where we want to go, you know, it's familiar.
53:39
SPEAKER_00: And so it's kind of like a strange little comfort blanket.
53:43
SPEAKER_00: But we have to have the courage to let those things go and embrace something new.
53:49
SPEAKER_00: Because I mean, any when you're dealing with trauma, like technically anything new is going to be better than that.
53:57
SPEAKER_01: Right?
53:59
SPEAKER_01: So true.
54:00
SPEAKER_01: Anything new.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: But I think I like to describe it as like, you know, when we have trauma, we kind of live in this little sliver, a reality, like in this comfort zone where we just do the things that make us feel comfortable and we don't want to do too much out of it because we're afraid of getting re-traumatized, essentially.
54:19
SPEAKER_01: But then as you kind of start to heal and that opens up a little bit and a little bit more, you're actually able to experience the fullness and the possibilities and be open to receiving more of what life has to offer.
54:33
SPEAKER_01: So it's a process of actually being able to open up to what's possible and then additionally, kind of like reprogramming your reality so that you're not subscribing to this whatever, all the programming that we receive, right?
54:50
SPEAKER_01: From society, the media, our families, and all of it, and really realizing that none of it is actually real, and there's actually like limitless possibilities for us.
55:01
SPEAKER_00: Well said.
55:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think that's kind of all like what we're all waking up to right now, or a lot of us anyway.
55:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, come hell or high water, kicking or screaming, or celebrating and dancing and rejoicing.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: It's here.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: Like the awakening is here, and you can kick and scream, or you can celebrate and rejoice.
55:20
SPEAKER_00: It's up to you.
55:21
SPEAKER_00: I've done both, and I now know which one feels better, and actually which one drives better results.
55:27
SPEAKER_01: Right.
55:29
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
55:30
SPEAKER_01: So I know we could we could like keep talking probably for hours, but I know we're coming up on time here.
55:36
SPEAKER_01: So, first, can you just tell everybody where they can find you?
55:39
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm sure people are gonna want to connect with you after this.
55:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure.
55:42
SPEAKER_00: You can find me on social media.
55:44
SPEAKER_00: So Facebook, Instagram, Ronnie Landis.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: I have a podcast.
55:48
SPEAKER_00: If you go to iTunes, just type in Ronnie Landis, you'll see it.
55:50
SPEAKER_00: It's currently titled under Breaking Addictions.
55:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, that's kind of the new brand title.
55:55
SPEAKER_00: And then my website is hphealth.com.
56:00
SPEAKER_00: If you want to check out the 30-day ultimate dopamine reset program, um, it's hhphealth.com forward slash dopamine.
56:10
SPEAKER_00: And I have a YouTube channel.
56:11
SPEAKER_00: Just type in my name, you'll find it.
56:13
SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
56:14
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
56:15
SPEAKER_01: And then for our last question, so to you, what is a non-negotiable when it comes to fully reclaiming your consciousness?
56:23
SPEAKER_00: There's a number of things.
56:24
SPEAKER_00: I think the non-negotiable is I won't go against my truth.
56:30
SPEAKER_00: I cannot go against my truth because it will bring too much pain.
56:34
SPEAKER_00: And pain is now a feedback system to let me know if I'm in alignment or not.
56:40
SPEAKER_00: And so whatever the truth, and it's not actually, I have to say it this way, it's not even just my truth anymore, it's just the truth, like the capital T truth.
56:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:50
SPEAKER_00: That's just been a deepening process of tuning into like, yeah, what's really true versus my belief or my idea or my bias around it, but what's really true, and just doing my best to follow that.
57:03
SPEAKER_00: And I think just practically speaking, one of the non-negotiables to that is just how I how I sustain myself, particularly through my nutrition hydration.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: For you know, for 11 years as a nutritionist, like this has been kind of my not religion, but just like my non-negotiable.
57:18
SPEAKER_00: This that's the one thing I am non-negotiable about is how I feed myself and how I hydrate myself.
57:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
57:25
SPEAKER_01: And I love that you brought up the truth because that to me, I feel like now it becomes so obvious.
57:32
SPEAKER_01: Like anytime I'm going against that, that it just feels so bad.
57:35
SPEAKER_01: And just things don't work.
57:37
SPEAKER_00: They just don't work.
57:38
SPEAKER_01: It just doesn't work.
57:40
SPEAKER_01: So I love that.
57:41
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for being here.
57:43
SPEAKER_01: This was amazing.
57:45
SPEAKER_01: And I know everyone's gonna love it.
57:47
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
57:48
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
57:50
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for being here.
57:52
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58:00
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58:22
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