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Wicked · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey tolerators, listens to all the men I've tolerated before
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  Speaker 1: with family Katona, your weekly look at every day misogyny.
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  Speaker 1: Today is one of my favorite days. We have my perfect,
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  Speaker 1: my great friend Chris DeRosa. He's back on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You'll recognize Chris from the world renowned podcast Fixing Famous
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  Speaker 1: People and our episode about the Real Housewives where he
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  Speaker 1: was nice enough to talk to us about how they're
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  Speaker 1: breaking barriers over there on Bravo. And Chris is here
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  Speaker 1: today so I can hold space for my feelings about
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  Speaker 1: Wicked Part one. Chris, when was the last time you
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  Speaker 1: thought of the lyrics of defying gravity?
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  Speaker 2: Today? Right before logging onto this zoom? Honestly, and this
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  Speaker 2: is this is episode will be holding space for we
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  Speaker 2: don't really know what, but something.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, like here's what they remember when I went to
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  Speaker 1: the Ara's tour and then I listened to the all
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  Speaker 1: too well ten minute version every day, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that's meditating. I think that's what I'm gonna do with
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  Speaker 1: defying gravity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you were holding space for Taylor like that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was holding space for Taylor Swift and rip erastour.
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  Speaker 1: You won't know this, but it ended last night.
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  Speaker 2: No I do. I'm not. I mean, I live in
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  Speaker 2: the world. I'm not like an idiot. I like I
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  Speaker 2: know it ended, and like many people are like rip,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, hasn't she been doing this for like
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  Speaker 2: two and a half years? Like can like, oh my god?
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  Speaker 2: Like is she like can she rest? The answer is no.
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  Speaker 2: The answer is no, but she had.
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  Speaker 1: She's not a Capricorn, She's she's a Sagittarius, but she's
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  Speaker 1: a December Sagittarius. And there's no rest for the weary
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  Speaker 1: when you're a December baby, There's none, No, Chris, what
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  Speaker 1: was your relationship with Wicked before the press tour started? God?
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  Speaker 2: What was my relationship with Wicked? Obviously, as like a millennial,
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  Speaker 2: we all loved it. We listened to the soundtrack forever
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  Speaker 2: in high school. We went to the touring company like
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  Speaker 2: I did the touring company of Wicked and saw that
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  Speaker 2: and so like I knew the musical inside and out
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  Speaker 2: obviously obviously what else? I mean, it was one of
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  Speaker 2: those things. And I'll get into this later where it's
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  Speaker 2: like we all love this so much because we were
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  Speaker 2: nerds and like earnestly loved this, like flip on its
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  Speaker 2: head of like the most famous movie of all time, yes, thing,
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  Speaker 2: And like then for a very long time, we got
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  Speaker 2: into this like cool world where everything we're like too
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  Speaker 2: cool for everything, and now that I'm in my mid thirties,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I just like want to watch people
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  Speaker 2: that are like truly talented and like doing things that
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  Speaker 2: are of talent versus pr slash smoke and mirrors slash
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  Speaker 2: like publicity or like being cooler trendy. Yeah, and like
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  Speaker 2: we I think the world is kind of in that,
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  Speaker 2: or at least millennials that are getting older now are
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  Speaker 2: in that space where they're like, no, we just want
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  Speaker 2: to see things that like are really well done, and
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  Speaker 2: so like, even leading up to the to the movie,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, the trailer looks great, the movie looks great.
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  Speaker 2: Like everyone that's talking about it like says that it's
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  Speaker 2: like they're gonna be it's gonna be great, blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 2: and it just simply was in that. Yeah, there's something
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  Speaker 2: really strange about that. But like we shouldn't like this,
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  Speaker 2: like we should be like making fun of this movie
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  Speaker 2: and at all, like at all, even when they're being
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  Speaker 2: absolutely insufferable in these like press junkets with these these
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  Speaker 2: absolute Charlatans that they're being put with, like truly Charlatan's.
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  Speaker 2: Like even this random person was like, I got you
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  Speaker 2: guys a gift, and like walked up to them on
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  Speaker 2: their carpet and gave them both little snowflake ornaments with
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  Speaker 2: their dogs faces in the middle of them, which is like.
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  Speaker 1: Their dog's face. It was even I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: like a goal, like Ariana got an alphab one and Cynthia.
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  Speaker 2: It was like each of their dogs on in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of this thing, and they acted like they gave
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  Speaker 2: them like the Holy Grail.
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  Speaker 1: Dogs look like now.
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  Speaker 2: And like regardless, like and again I should like hummel
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  Speaker 2: them into the ground on podcasts because of this, And
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  Speaker 2: yet it's it flies right past me and I don't
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  Speaker 2: even care.
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  Speaker 1: It's my favorite. It's my favorite moment of the year,
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  Speaker 1: not only the movie but the press tour, because I
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  Speaker 1: I have lived my life craving to be the level
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  Speaker 1: of excitement that I'm always holding in my heart out
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  Speaker 1: in the open. And I truly think like my mom
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  Speaker 1: and I got into a fight about it where she
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  Speaker 1: yelled and I sat there and went, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I just feel. But she was like, maybe I'd want
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  Speaker 1: to go see wick it if the press tour wasn't
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  Speaker 1: so annoying. And I'm like, what about it is annoying you?
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  Speaker 1: She goes, why are they crying all the time? I go,
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  Speaker 1: because they're theater children.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're losers, like duh, like us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, their dreams have come true? Do you know how
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  Speaker 1: rare it is? Yes, someone's dream to come true. They
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  Speaker 1: should be crying. They should wake up crying that SpongeBob
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  Speaker 1: looking man gets to date Ariana Grande.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, and dream This is the thing, is like,
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  Speaker 2: no one has a real reason to like not like
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  Speaker 2: the movie. This is the thing. Everyone that I've talked
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  Speaker 2: to there like it was too long. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: every movie that's this big is too long.
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  Speaker 1: It's too long.
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  Speaker 2: It's something I've been saying for you, Like The Power
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  Speaker 2: of the Dog was too long. That's what I was in.
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  Speaker 2: When when they get to the Emerald City, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm so upset that this is over. It's been two
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  Speaker 2: hours and ten minutes, do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like I've sat through like Avengers Endgame basically at this point,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm so sad that it's ending. I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to continue. That one girl, that one woman that
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  Speaker 2: did like she was like freaking out and she was like,
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  Speaker 2: did you see the thing? Her name is like I
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  Speaker 2: don't even remember what it's like body courage, I think
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  Speaker 2: or something courages for like candle. And she's like, if
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  Speaker 2: you're not like any Glennas in my life, like leave,
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  Speaker 2: Like she did this whole comedy thing that was really funny,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like, that's doctor Jilliman right there. And it
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  Speaker 2: was like it was like a like a like a
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  Speaker 2: deer made out of Christmas lights, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you like put in your yard. And she's like look
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  Speaker 2: right there and she's like she did this whole thing
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  Speaker 2: that was like so funny. But she said, like if
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  Speaker 2: Nicole Cadman came out and was like this is the
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  Speaker 2: intermission and then part two is gonna start like in
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  Speaker 2: twenty minutes, like I would have sat there, like it
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  Speaker 2: would have been fine.
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  Speaker 1: People are already calling for the in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: I'd best be able to park by ass in a
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  Speaker 1: movie theater for eight hours.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like see the first one, do an intermission and
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  Speaker 2: then come back, yes, and like again it's too long,
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  Speaker 2: is not like a real critique because again, then my
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  Speaker 2: follow up question is like, what would you cut out
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  Speaker 2: of this movie? And there's truly not one scene that
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  Speaker 2: you can cut out without cutting out like one of
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  Speaker 2: the songs.
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  Speaker 1: This mind You. I was fifteen when I saw it
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  Speaker 1: the first time, and I saw it with the first
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  Speaker 1: Chicago cast, so like the live in Chicago cast.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: And then I saw a tour in my late twenties
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  Speaker 1: in Dayton before I worked at the theater. It was
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  Speaker 1: when I was still the teaching and I and I
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  Speaker 1: read the book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I read the book too. I read the
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  Speaker 2: book as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I read the book when I was a teenager
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: because someone said Munchkin Orgy and I was like, you
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  Speaker 1: know who's horny?
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  Speaker 2: Me?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm read this Oz horny book. Like okay, So
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  Speaker 1: I read the book and I couldn't pick out And
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's because my brain is mushed at this point
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, but I couldn't pick out what
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  Speaker 1: was filler from the book and what when they tell
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  Speaker 1: me that part one the movie is as long as
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  Speaker 1: the entire Broadway musical, I'm always like how they didn't
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  Speaker 1: even add anything, and they're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh they did. No, wait, we can go through,
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  Speaker 2: and we can go through and talk about that. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I know because I watched a bootleg version that,
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  Speaker 2: when I tell you, is like forty five pixels by
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  Speaker 2: forty five pixels of like of like some torque of Wicked.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just like has the audio of the whole
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  Speaker 2: movie or the whole show. So it's like and again,
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  Speaker 2: like did I need to actually look at the screen
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  Speaker 2: and like see the people know? Of course, I just
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  Speaker 2: needed to like hear what was happening. And so I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to think at the beginning with the flashbacks, like
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  Speaker 2: it was a lot longer, like the birth story is
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  Speaker 2: a lot longer, okay, which again needed. Whenever you see
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  Speaker 2: her use her powers to throw those rocks with those
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  Speaker 2: little kids and her cute little sister in that little
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  Speaker 2: wheel train, that was like the littlest nugget of anyone
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  Speaker 2: I've ever seen, Little dugget I little cutie Patuti. That
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  Speaker 2: was great.
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  Speaker 1: That was like added, little nugget can come on the
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  Speaker 1: podcast and I'll just ask her yes, no questions for
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  Speaker 1: an an hour.
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  Speaker 2: Like her Instagram is like exploded. She's like posting in
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  Speaker 2: like all these places, and it's like period, like she's
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  Speaker 2: like just like giving it, like at random places where
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  Speaker 2: she's like at a premiere in her little wheelchair, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like absolutely obsessed with her in everything obsessed Again,
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  Speaker 2: she had not one line in the movie, and then
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  Speaker 2: she literally went like she literally did like a noise,
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  Speaker 2: like I don't think she said a word, like she
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  Speaker 2: made a noise. And when I tell you, both times
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  Speaker 2: I watched the movie in theaters, everyone went, oh, but
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  Speaker 2: the birth part was a little bit longer.
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  Speaker 1: They added choreography too, because they moved through shes. So
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  Speaker 1: I realized that the musical numbers were longer.
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  Speaker 2: But not by much, not by much, like only by
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  Speaker 2: like twenty some seconds. Sometimes it's like like the Loathing Saw,
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  Speaker 2: what is this feeling? Like it's basically that's what happens
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  Speaker 2: in the show. Yeah, like that like that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: They actually like they delayed a few lines to just
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  Speaker 2: like add a little bit more choreography, but like it's
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  Speaker 2: not like by minutes at all, okay. And then the
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  Speaker 2: scene where I'm trying to think, so she does the wizard, oh,
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  Speaker 2: like when they come to the thing, when they come
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  Speaker 2: to the they're all arriving in the beginning. Yes, that
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  Speaker 2: was a little bit longer.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because it has well and I think that
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  Speaker 1: people don't understand what it takes to actually turn something
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  Speaker 1: into a movie like there and.
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  Speaker 2: You can do more, like you there's more you can
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  Speaker 2: do that you don't need to do on stage because
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  Speaker 2: you have that, you don't have to have it happen
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  Speaker 2: in front of everyone's eyes. And like, again, that wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like that scene wasn't dragging where she goes there and
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: then like throws everyone around and she gets accepted to
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: the school. Do you know what I mean? Like no, again,
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  Speaker 2: like tell me what you wanted to cut out because
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  Speaker 2: it's nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's nothing. Also, one time I was I told
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  Speaker 1: someone that I had seen Mama on stage. It was
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  Speaker 1: my first Broadway production that I saw on stage, and
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: someone had just seen the movie and they were like,
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: how did they get a boat on stage? And I
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: was like, come again, and they're like, how did they
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  Speaker 1: drive the boat onto stage so those men could arrive?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like.
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  Speaker 2: They walked from the wing of the stage and said,
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  Speaker 2: I just got off a boat, Like no, people are idiots. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: the controversial I loved Mom and Me of the Stage Show.
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  Speaker 2: I hated you hate the movie. I hate the movie.
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  Speaker 2: It was so long again that one is shouldn't have
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: been made, and yet I watched it on Yeah it's
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  Speaker 2: a horrific. But like what shore the movie the stage show,
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  Speaker 2: The men carry the show the entire time. And in
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: the movie it's so much about the daughter and the
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  Speaker 2: mom and Meryl Streep. Duh, So of course Meryl Streep
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  Speaker 2: is gonna be the main character of the movie. Hello.
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  Speaker 2: But like the men like are in every song, like
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  Speaker 2: they come, they like really carry the sh and you
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  Speaker 2: love them for it.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm I met with the wrong audience to
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: say the men are the most important part of Mama Mia.
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  Speaker 2: But the characters are. They really do carry a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the story and they like do reprises of all
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  Speaker 2: the different songs and like they do. Yeah, like Pierce
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  Speaker 2: Brosen wasn't like, wasn't going to be doing that, So
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  Speaker 2: like that it is lacking from the energy of the
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  Speaker 2: stage show.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, continue, both Mama Mia movies are perfect and they're
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  Speaker 1: all worth it because at some point you know that
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  Speaker 1: Colin Firth is going to be in a glittery jumpsuit
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  Speaker 1: and I love sinking to a song and it's all
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  Speaker 1: that I want. And it sends me right back to
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: what a girl wants when he has to put on
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  Speaker 1: the leather pants.
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  Speaker 2: I can't. Oh my god, I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite in movie history. But that's the main complaint
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: that I'm getting to that people who haven't lived with
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: Wicked since they were fifteen years old have looked have
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  Speaker 1: told me, oh, you really loved it. It's so long,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I was engaged the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: You and like it says how long the movie is
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  Speaker 2: when you buy your ticket. Correct, That's what I'm not like.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't say that this was a ninety minute movie.
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  Speaker 2: It's the it's the theater. It's the movie event of
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  Speaker 2: the decade, is it not.
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  Speaker 1: No. I was trying to think about that today, like
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching Wicked and I'm like, this is the movie
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  Speaker 1: of the year. What movie would have even come close
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  Speaker 1: to trumping it? As we know, I refused to see Oppenheimer.
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  Speaker 1: I will not watch one frame of it. And that
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  Speaker 1: was last year. That wasn't a twenty twenty four film.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing, This is our movie. This I think Wicked has
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  Speaker 1: the chance to revitalize going to the theater.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, and it was Barbie walked Barbie walk, so this
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: could like fly.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Barbie got us back to the theater, and then
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: she was like, what if you saw my boyfriend Openheimer
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  Speaker 1: for the bit and I said no.
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  Speaker 2: I ended up watching it once I got on Peacock
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  Speaker 2: and it was I mean, it was good. I mean
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  Speaker 2: the editing was like incredible, But there were so many
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  Speaker 2: scenes where I was like, what's happening? I was like,
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: what is this movie about?
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  Speaker 1: And me watching the Ultimatum this season where I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: who is that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but all episode, every single one of them looks
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  Speaker 2: exactly I'm like, this one's with this, I'm like doing
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful mind in my head. And then it's like
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: and I'm the whole thing's wrong. So then I'm like
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: having to burn it to the ground and have to
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: like like when I tell you that, every single one
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: of them is exactly the same person to me, I'm like, Chris.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: I got into the middle of episode three, two people
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: were talking. I'm like, I have no idea.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: You're like, are they together? Were they ever together? Do
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: they like each other? Have they ever spoken on camera
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: but together.
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  Speaker 1: But my mom also tried to fight me about the
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: press tour where she's like, why does Cynthia only wear
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: green now? And I was like, because we dressed to theme. Now,
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: I've been doing this since I was thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so they've been doing it for a year and
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: a half. We've made fun of it a million times
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: in fixing famous people. It's like, DOMINICQ, you seem like,
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: are they gonna really do this much press? Like at
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  Speaker 2: the Olympics this summer, they were dressed in pink and
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  Speaker 2: green and I was like, yeah, dominic they are. This
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  Speaker 2: is okay wait wait, we were talking about this is
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: the this is the movie event of the decade, event
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  Speaker 2: of the decade. But like, this is what we need
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: to remember. Wicked is the most valuable property that Universal owns,
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  Speaker 2: Like NBC Universal. Now we're talking Bravo, We're talking.
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  Speaker 1: US USA, the USA.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even say that with a straight face.
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  Speaker 1: People get so bad at me because I refuse to
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  Speaker 1: believe that USA is real.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 1: Watch it Listen every time a new USA show comes on,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I go, if it was a good show, they would
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: have put it on CBS.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even though that's not even it would
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: have been an NBC NBC. Let me think about this
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  Speaker 2: NBC and BC the Home of Friends and Seinfeld like
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: let like hello, like that Wicked the Musical was the
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  Speaker 2: largest ip that they had, Like it was the most
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  Speaker 2: valuable because it's been on Broadway for so many years
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  Speaker 2: that it has made them so much money and the
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: prospect of making it a movie was so was valued
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  Speaker 2: at so much money, Like we don't even for all
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: you like a you know, Robin hood down app downloaders
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  Speaker 2: that are like doing stocks and things that you're like
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: investing like this is they've invested so much money into
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: this movie knowing that the return was going to be
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: so high. And when I tell you that, I know
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: for a fact that Universal somewhere, whether it's Universal Studios
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Florida or something else, we're gonna be able to go
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: in those sets. There's no doubt a mind. And if
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: they're not doing that, it's really fucking stupid. It's because
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: they they need.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: You, because they I mean, they built the entire Emerald City, like.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: You know how when we went out, Like when you
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: can go to like the Harry Potter World in London
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: and like go and it was like the most incredible
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: thing that I've ever been at in my life. Like
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: they could do that with this and make it again.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Harry Potter makes so much money and it's over, do
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like there's like the game
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: that I'm playing, the Hogwarts Legacy Game that I'm so
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: addicted to. I'm a crack cocaine addict for this game.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Like you're not supposed to say out loud that you're
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: playing the Hogwarts Legacy game.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I know, but I am. I got it on sale, Okay.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I got it on sale for twenty dollars. So JK
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: didn't get she got like two dollars of my money. Okay,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: So like I'm allowed. I'm allowing myself, you know what
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I clear. I trash her every chance that I get. Yes,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Like so awful. Yeah. I put on a list of
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: people that I like want wish death upon basically on
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: my podcast. So that's hello. So Wicked is like the
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: most valuable thing that they have. Why wouldn't this be
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: the biggest.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Movie of all awesome? And I've been saying it for
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: years and I blame Disney and all of their fucking
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: live action reboots or whatever. That CGI has ruined the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: movie experience for me.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Correct correct.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: So everyone who's like doing color correction on wicked clips
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and being like, wouldn't it be better in this technic
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: color hellscape? And I'm like, no, that looks like Love
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Island if I wanted to, I there are countless seasons
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: of love alet love Island.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I to watch When did you ever do this for
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: like a Marvel movie?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: When did you ever? Do you know what I mean?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: The nitpicking of it? Is this the theme of your podcast?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? It's like picking I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: the color again. My biggest grievance was the lighting, and
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: so it's like and I said, if that's my biggest grievance,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: then where good to go? Because that's not a legitimate greeed.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: That's agree. That's like when I need to say what
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: what I don't didn't like about it? It's when it's
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: something technical, it's like, not that big of a deal.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is a big deal. Wedding is a
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: huge deal, but like I still watched the whole fucking
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: movie and it was fine. Do you know what I mean?
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Like color correction, people don't even they think they know
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: what color correction is, and they don't. This film was
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: not not color corrected. It was lit and shot in
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: a certain way to give it the feel that it
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: was right period.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I love practical sets. I love practical makeup.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Why the Lord of the Ring so much? Because I
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: could still to day, in the Year of Our Lord
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, go to New Zealand and like be
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the Shire. Like I could go stay in Frodo's house.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's on Airbnb.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: What I jump off of a bridge the next day,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: because like, what is worth living for after I do that?
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, but new goals. We will be living in
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the Shire come January twenty twenty five. But yeah, we
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: went and saw Red One when Wicked was sold out
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and we couldn't see Wicked, so we went and saw
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Red One and it was enjoyable. Fight the fact that
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you wanted to be at Wicked, and I'm a I'm
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: convinced that they did special effects makeup instead of CGI
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: for the Crumpus scene, And then I was like, this
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: is the best movie of all time. They hired so
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: many people to put different goblin masks on people. He's
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: wearing an actual fucking crampus costume and Crumpus is my
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: favorite Christmas deity. I was like, sold you you've got me,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you got me.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Now we're we're I'm telling you, okay. My big thesis
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: when I was like, what do you want to talk about?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Because I know what I want to talk about here
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: when we were doing our you know, pre chat, like
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: we are returning to like skill, like we are returning
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: to like talent and like showcasing talent and like talent
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: rising to the top versus like pr money generation. Yes,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: does that make sense? Like even look at music, I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: mean we're gonna go out of the place and like
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry in advance, but like look at me like
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Chapel Rone, like we have Sabrina and Charlie. Charlie's worked
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: so hard to get to this level. Did I think
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Bratt was her best album?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: No?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like at all?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: No?
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Do I even like any of the sounds so much?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Not really? But do I like she is? I think
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: she's way better.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Charlie is a huge listener of this show.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And now self title her self titled album where it's
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: all duets with people. In my opinion is like which
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: was her main album? Not like the remix album I
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: think is like some of her best songs ever. The
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: song Gone, first song on the album. Incredible anyway, like
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: the fact that chapel Roone like had an album and
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: then a whole year later it's like a huge deal.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: And she's like a really good singer and technical again
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: not I'm cool and I'm hip, is like, oh, I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: can actually do falsetto and then bring it over into
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: like a belt and then bringing into like technical singing
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: that we don't have anymore period, Like they skyrockets at
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the top, Sabrina Carpenter, very good lyrics and being able
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to weave in and out of your lyrics and like
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: actually again Espresso at the end of the day, it's
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: like you can't sing it. You don't know all the
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: words of espresso. You think that it's like so intricate
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: and like and regardless of all that, it's like they
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: all rose the top versus like even the younger like
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: remember like Olivia Rodrigo, like great, like so good, that's
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: so talented. Every performance I've ever seen of her, like
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I was like great singer, really good. All these younger
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: people that are like becoming really famous, they're not like
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: love her to death. But it's not a Britney Spears
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: situation where it's like we're gonna like make you into this, this, this,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: this and that. It is like, oh no, you just
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: have a really fucking great voice and we're just going
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: to showcase that and you're gonna do your bullshit that
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: you want to do.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: But like this does tighten because Annie and I are
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: in love with a Ariana Grande. Okay, she's done, she's back,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: She's she's broken some homes, Okay.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Sure, too many, honestly a lot. Yeah. Again, I have
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a whole epout it. So you could go fixing famous
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: people Ariana Grande with Deanna Chang.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. She's broken a lot
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: of homes, a lot. She is currently betting SpongeBob and
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I can't make my head make sense of it. But
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: when you talk about talent and then but you talk
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: about the industry side of it too, she's the crossroads
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of that because when she was younger, she had managers
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and brands in Disney and Nickelodeon being like you have
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to be this. So there's a lot that we have
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a hard time like forgiving Ariana about. But I always go.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: She was seventeen and listening to a white man with money,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: promising her that she'd get money too, Like you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: we do bully our pop stars into.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Of course Hello yeah, Hello, and I think go back,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: if you go back, go back and listen to my
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: you know, my number one played song this year on
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: my Spotify, Rapped One Last Time from Like the what
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: is it? It's I don't even know. It's like called
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: like My Everything I think is the album it's She's
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: still like a little girl basically, but that song is
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: like one last time to make it make you huh
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: if you go to like after the bridge of any
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: of her songs from like and again. Dangerous Woman is
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: another really good example of this, and obviously into you
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: all those like Dangerous Woman songs that are like the
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: ones that we know her as like her like White
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Hot Peak of Fame, go to the go pass the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: bridge to the last chorus where she then does her
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: vocal riffs. There is not a person on this planet
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: minus maybe Mariah Carey if she wanted to try, that
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: could sing the way that she could sing. When you
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: hear one last time like she got like what and
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: she's like take you how like her. She goes so
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: high in a full belt, like a full belt so
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: high that is like no one could, like there's not
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: a person on this planet that can do it, like
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: so yes, for so long did she like want to
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: stop singing and like be cool. She's the She's the
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: example of that. She started as the most pure raw talent,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: then wanted to just be a rapper, much like Beyonce.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? She's like, I just
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: don't want to sing anymore. I'm gonna be a rapper.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And it's like, Okay, I guess we have to deal
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: with this. And then she for four albums Ariana Grande
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: was like I'm not gonna sing like I'll sing on
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: like two songs and then the rest of them are
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: gonna be me mumbling and just like being weird, and
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: we're like, I guess this is what we have to do.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And then this most recent album, which got she did
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: like zero press four because she was truly so busy
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: making this movie that she didn't have time to do.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I've listened to it so much. I think it's like
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: so beautiful and she actually sings and it's so gorgeous.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: And then like for her to just come out of
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the gate and knock this out of the park. It's
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: like we are returning again. She's like returning to like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm a nerdy theater kid and there's like
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that, and like I'm actually just gonna
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: be above and you know what it is, We're all
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: over the place. Everyone in the fucking world is trying
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to be a cool person on Instagram every and so
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: now it's like that's no long because it's so everyone's
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: doing it that it's not cool anymore because everyone that
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: has internet access is like trying to be a celebrity
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: on Instagram and like in TikTok, and so now it's like,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: oh wait, I actually like being in a blockbuster Hollywood
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: movie actually is really cool because like none of you
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: could get here because you're just on TikTok and you
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: have like you might have five hundred million followers on TikTok,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: but you like live in your house and don't do anything.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It was exactly this time this last year that I
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: walked out of a movie theater after seeing anyone but
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you texted you, I love Sydney Sweeten. I want her career. Sweeney. Yes, God, yea.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I love Jodi Sweeten. We love Jody sweet I mean
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: do we love her too, But that's not who it was.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: But that's not who I love Sidney Sweeney.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I love Sydney Sweeney.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I want her.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I love that she serves cut on the daily. I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: want her cunty ass on everything that I'm ever watching. However,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I'm a year into this whole trend of giving nothing
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: while I'm in a movie, and I'm like, no, I
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: need you to give something because Glenn Powell's doing all
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the work. And now I got to stick up for him.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, You're You're making me have to defend him for
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: this y Yeah, I will say, though it's worked up
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: until now. I did not see that movie, but like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie her. And when she was in
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: White Lotus it was I mean, no one does it
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: better than her, I will say.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And I've always had this idea that well and our
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: arch nemesis Bradley Cooper technically did this too, that you
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: do really stupid give me money things in the beginning.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Of your career, a mass wealth, Yeah, yes, to.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: A mass wealth, and then you do whatever the fuck
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you want. Uh, My favorite lady Gaga album is Joe Ann.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: It's no one else's.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, you're truly it's not even hers.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: It's about her dead aunt. And she's like, I'm over it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I love it. And it was her No, I'm sick
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: of doing the raw and wearing meat album. Like it
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm a real person out I'm a.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: P Yeah if you forgot, I'm actually a real human being,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: yeah did you? Yeah? Well, But the thing that's crazy
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: is like this is Arianna's version of that doing whatever
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the fuck she wants is actually being in in like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the largest movie of the year, if not the decade exactly.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: And what I found out was she I walked away
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: so blown away by how often I laughed at her
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: because she's genuinely funny.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Every line when we were at the when we were
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: at the screening where they where they came out, like
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: at the DGA, every time that she spoke, the whole
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: theater rupted in laughter.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, and because you said after you went, well,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: she's clearly like, you know, doing her version of Christian
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Chenna with because that was her hero, that was her idol. Whatever,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: of course she was going to go that route. It
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: would be stupid to not go that route. That's the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Glinda we all have in our heads, no matter who
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: we saw do it. Yeah, and I was like, okay,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: so you know she'll just you know, she'll be Kristin
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Chenowick version two, and I'll I won't be devastated, but
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I won't be impressed. But when I say that, like,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you really should have hit home on how she makes.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: It her her own.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, Oscar, give her.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Oh sh I'm I don't think there is one person
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: that that is like even remotely in the rutting more
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: than her. No, for real, I don't think Cynthia Riva
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: will win one just because like the other people that
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: will get nominated, like, they'll either give I think that
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: they're either going to give Pamela Anderson like a career
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Oscar for that movie which ps, I'm a gym here
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: for my pants over that cast in that movie. I
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: did not realize all those people were in it. I'm
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: like fucking hyped for that movie. But they'll either give
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: her that or they're gonna give one to Angelina Jolie
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: for this Maria movie. I think, oh yeah, Like, I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: just don't think Cynthia is gonna get it, but like
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I just don't. I just don't think she's gonna get it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And her performance is so much more subtle mm hmm. However,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: if you really pay attention to it, like it makes
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: so much sense. And like even in the Wizard and
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I like in the beginning, you're like, oh, this is
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: she's like not really singing it, you know what I mean,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: because it is again a movie version, doesn't she doesn't
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: need to be belting. But like when at the beginning
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, but you're watching her through the song,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: gained confidence in being able to voice what her like
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: deepest darkest wish is. Yeah, and then by the end
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: when she's alone and she's able to belt it out
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: at the very end, like you're like, oh, that was
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: a performance.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: The little touches that both Cynthia and Ariana give throughout
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the movie, truly, just because I'm recalling them are already
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: giving me chills again. But like every time Cynthia chose
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: to wink or half smile at Ariana because it's like, yeah,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Glinda was being right there, but we're doing our flirty
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: they saw I'm a smile about it. Yeah, Like there
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: were there were such new one small choices that real
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: professionals may when they're like, we're making the movie of
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the decade.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: And it's like not stunty, no, Like, it wasn't like
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: like in every single way that apparently they were gonna
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: do like a hip hop version of popular, and Ariana
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Grande was like ab solutely not like she was like
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: even the ending part that's different where that it keeps
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: going up. She didn't want to do that. And like
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the guy that like wrote all the music, which, by
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the way, is the guy that goes We'll see you now.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: He's the one that wrote all the songs from Wicked. Yeah,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: and he was on our he was in our panel.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: He said, like, I gave her this new version of
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the song, and she said, you just wrote this because
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I'm Ariana Grande and I will not be singing this
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: like how dare you? And he said, if I knew
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I could have written this song this way whenever it started,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: this would be the song. I'm not doing this because
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: you are a pop star. I'm doing this because it's
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: a better version of this song. And she was like,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: are you lying to me? And he was like no,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: and then she was like, Okay, I'll do it well
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: the first that sorry, I'm like no, like that her
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: being like no, I will not allow you to make
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: it be my version of this, like I'm just doing
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: what is there is? Like like in like so fucking smart?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know that Leanne Rhymes has a version.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Of how dare you bring her up? Right now?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: But I love Leanne? Oh?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I know, yes, you do. You're right.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Have tried to go to fix her on your podcast
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and you're like, madly, there's bigger fish to fry.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Noah, we do have we do have bigger fish to fry. Sadly,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: we we might need to do that as a good
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: bonus episode.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Sorry, you were standing right next to me when we
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: got a perfect.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: How yeah, sorry, go ahead.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: But did you know that she has her own version
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: of for Good? I know because I accidentally put the
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: win Could album on shuffle and all of a sudden,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is it right? Who? Why?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Why? What's happenings? She's a great singer, so like, oh
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: it's not good.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: My sister and I listened to it after my depews
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: like uh your nose and throw appointment. We were like
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: driving home. I was like put out the Wicked soundtrack
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: let's see what sodosty.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Like like that's what happened, and.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: That's what happened. And I'm like, well, this is a
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: choice and this is a way to do it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Interest that's so interesting.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So I get what she's saying about, like I took
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: this job because I want to honor Glinda. I want
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: to be Glinda. I want to lose myself into Glinda.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And also like, what a way to come into your
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: career where you started on Nickelodeon licking your own feet.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, being literal like child born for
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: sick adults basically yeah, yeah, not of your own doing,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: not of.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Your own doing, not able to say yes or no
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to anything that's going on. Ever to then be looking
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: at the person who wrote the music for Wicked and
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: mean like I'm not doing that, but thank you, Like
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: it's powerful. Also, I saw part of the press tour
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: where they gave them the scripts and he doesn't and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: in the original script he doesn't say the wizard will
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: see you. Now, he says who goes there or something
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: like that, Well who is this and says something like
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: shittier and starkier, and Ariana called Cynthia and was like
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: did you see how they changed the script? Do they
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: not know that that's iconic?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Because I I love that they like were like, oh no,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: we will, like you will.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Fuck your shit up, you will do this right. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and I love when people know the subject material. I
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: love when people know what lines are gonna make me
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the person who went on free Popcorn Tuesday get chills
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and take me back to when I'm fifteen.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Also like, how dare they change that line? It's like
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: the it's the climax of it's the climax of that
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: entire song.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, And now that I'm thinking about it, I'm
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a little upset that he doesn't slam a door after it,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: because that's how the light goes. He goes the wizard
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: will see you now, and that there's like a bay
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: like ye either has like a little staff thing that
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: he hits orre he slams a door. I can't remember which,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they were gonna change that line, and they
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: were like, excuse me. Everyone who's loved this musical since
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: they were seven years old is going to know that
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you did that, and they're gonna be mad.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would have been mad. I would have been like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: why did they do it, and they really didn't change
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: like anything. That's the thing is, like there were very
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: few things that they changed. The only thing that they
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: didn't do was spoiler whenever she makes gives all the
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: monkey's wings like in the stage show, then like there's
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: like a monkey that's like wrestling under a blanket and
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: she goes to take the blanket off and like free
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: them monkey, and it's actually doctor de Lamonde. Oh, which
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I ueah, we never that didn't happen, But she sees
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: visions of him, Like she sees those visions of him
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: like in the cage, and that was the only part
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: that was like different, and so the way that she realizes,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Like there.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Were also so such small incidents where I was like, oh,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that's you honoring my play, because they do make sure
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: to include Do you remember when the flying monkeys happened
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: on stage and it's literally a screen and it's just
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a million flying monkeys going up and down on a
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: screen saver. They did that in the Windows. I was like,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: thank you for my domain on.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: A screen saver, right, like it was a screensaver.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: It was a screensaver.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: And like other people like someone was like, oh, like
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: not every movie needs to have a jump scare and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: was trying to like hate on it, and I was like,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: that's not a reason to not like this movie, Like,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Also, the flying monkeys have always been scary from day one. Yeah,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: they're scary. Duh, duh, they're scary in the original fucking movie. Ah,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: because I don't know if you know this, but I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: grew up in the town the only town in the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: United States of America who has a Wizard of oz fest.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Oh I did know this.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we've talked about by trauma.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Ye, yes you have.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: We've talked about my trauma. Okay, great, So I know
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: exactly how scary those monkeys are.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I to go back quickly to like talent, like they
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: like her, like I'm gonna do whatever I want, Like
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: we said that Ariana Grande is like I'm gonna be
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Glinda and like be a theater nerd and not be
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: like a cool like a cool bitch that sings a
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: song break up with your boyfriend because I'm bored even
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: though it's her, like life mark, like that is so cool.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And then for Cynthia to have this moment, to then
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: have this is truly her star turn. Yeah, Like she's
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: been in the wings and we've like known who she is,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: and she's had like she has performed at the Oscars,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: and she's like she's like done so many things and
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: like she's one award away from an ego. But like
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: this is like she is now a household name for
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: the rest of her life because of this movie.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I'm in love with her. One of the feedbacks that
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I keep getting about the movie is that Cynthia herself
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: is just so weird as a person. And I unhinged
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: my job and I'm like, do you mean at the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: real ethereal? Do you mean not of this world? She
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't live on your plane of existence because she's above it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Like you know that My life motto is if you
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: are actually more talented than me, you get to act
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: more talented than yes, correct, Like, and that's Cynthia. Why
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: should she ever have to not be a weirdo? For me?
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Well, and a lot of people too. It's very funny
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: because like gorgeous. I've been comparing it because a lot
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: of people have been asking me, like, oh, what do
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: you think of like Riana Grande's weight, Like she looks
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: so skinny, and I'm like, one, yes, she does. But
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: if this was a if this was Daniel day Lewis
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: or Christian Bale that had to lose like one hundred
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: pounds for a role, we would be like jizzy our
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: pants and like beating off to them, like losing losing
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: all that weight and saying that they're like such serious actors.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Oh but like the said acting of it all, like
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: when are we getting Ariano's real voice back? Number one?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: We've never had it? What is her real voice? I'd
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: love for someone to tell me.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: The number of like tiktoks that I fucking pissed myself
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: over where that people are like black Iana Core they
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: call her when she was like be quote unquote being black,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and she is like it's really bad, but she's like
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: she's like whatever, She's like get your mess over here,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: like her like weird accent that she it's like not
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: on a black scent, but it is, like but it is,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: like is but it's not, but it is, And you're like,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: what's happening? And she's so dark and you're like like
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: they for years people have made up like that. She's
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: like racially ambiguous quote unquote like but like as a
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: slam not as like right because anything. It's like here's
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: when she was Asian, Here's when she was white. Here's
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: what she says like and it's like you're like looking
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: at it and you're like, oh my god, this is
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: like real and funny, like because it's so bad and
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: like we're never why we never have had her real
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: into like okay and like what okay, you're not. She's
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: clearly mentally ill and it's like like stuck in this
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: role and like that's hello.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: She had to lick her own feet, not even pre
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: real I Carly for the spinoff of I Carly on
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the Internet, spinoff of the spin off of I Carle. Okay,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: that's what she had to do. And then we all
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: watched the documentary about it. Yeah, we all watched the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: documentary about it. That man still walking around Nickelodeon.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: No bopin to and fro somewhere like I So like
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, is like, oh, when it's when
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: it's her, it's like, oh, this is like she took
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: this role so seriously and it's annoying, and yes, are
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: they being absolutely insufferable Like in the in the press
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: story yes, of course they are like duh, like yeah,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: but like when it's when this is like another movie
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that's like ooh too, men, When when Wolverine and Deadpool
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: was happening, not that they got that much press, but
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: it's like where people like, oh my god, they're so
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: annoying or like, was anyone like, oh, Hugh Jackman is
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: like probably on steroids because of his body? Do you
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, no, no one said anything
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: about any of that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Except for me. I said Bryan Reynolds was annoying, because
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I believe he's annoying. Yeah, sure every day.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: But like, do you know what it's like, we don't ever, ever, ever,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: ever like make that a negative thing when it has
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: to be like a men losing or game. When when
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Brendan Fraser gained all that weight to play the whale,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: we gave him a fucking oscar for what we did.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: And we cried and we stood up and applauded him
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes for being fat, for being fat and
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: sad and he was already sad. Yeah, And I love
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Brendan Fraser and I only want nice things.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like we like bowed down to
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: him because he did all that, But when it's a woman,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: it's negative.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Oh the the try hard curse that follows women on
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: everything they do. It makes me second guess every podcast
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: episode that I put out, every TikTok that I make.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Also the reason why they're geeked and the reason why
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: they're crying the entire time is because it didn't hit
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: me that Wicked is the first movie that's really about
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: female friendship that we've had in a while a long time,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: A long time until people were posting about it and
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, what's so weird? I grew
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: up only watching female friendships in film like I was
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: in now and then I kid, I was just clueless,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: like name them all, practical Magic, any movie that had
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: more women, and I can't even remember what men besides
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Devin Sawa were in them. That's what I was watching.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I think that the last one, if you really think
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: about it, the last one that was like this big
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: was Bridesmaids. Honestly no, and that was like I was.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I was in college when that movie.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Came out, and my sister made fun of me and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: she's like, you mean, when all of a sudden in
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the two thousands because I like, put Clueless in the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: early two thousands in there, and she's like, you mean
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: mean girls where it's all just girls being bitchy to
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: one another. And I was like, but that's part of
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: girlhood friendship.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also the it's also the singular movie
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: that defined are the millennial generation in my life?
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Correct, There's there's this complexity to number one, Like, let's
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: not I know that Jonathan Bailey's forty or something. I
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: don't know, thirty six. I know he's old, he's older. Yeah,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: they said, Ah, I love shiz where you can be
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: a thirty five year old going to college.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: He's thirty six. He's thirty thirty.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Six, so he's my age. But imagine me so hot
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: in college.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: He's the hottest person.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: He's the hottest personal life and also funny in this movie.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: But does no one remember what their friendships were like
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: in their early twenties, because let me tell you, I
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: had my own what is this feeling moment in the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: breakroom of the McDonald's that I was uh employed at
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: and someone was playing the soundtrack during their break and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: it was the girl who I was kind of friends with.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: But I also kind of hated, and we each took
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: a part.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: And we just liked belted it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: In the McDonald's because that's girlhood friendship. And she did
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: steal a man that I had a crush on, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: then I, six years later stole her ex man, And
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that's girlhood friendship. I don't know, that's part of it.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: And so I find it so odd that Wig keeps
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: being talked about as like the friend the girlhood friendship
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: movie of our decade, because I'm like, that's all I
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: used to watch. When did all of the women stop
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: being in movies?
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: This is the thing. Here's the other reason why this
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: movie is so good. And I will get I will
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: talk about going to see Gypsy on Broadway. I will
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I will get there. That everything from like twenty ten
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: on even in I was thinking about with theater as well,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: like everything needed to be this like alt different like
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: like dark version of like that whatever this thing is
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: like think about like twenty ten to like even like
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: twenty two thousand and eight ish was even there. It's
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: like here's this like alt version like remember like sleep
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: No More? Remember when that was like a huge trend
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: of like going to these immersive theater things. It was
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: always like this dark reimagining of like a Shakespearean play
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: or like, oh, here's like this musical but it's actually
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: about like it's like Battlestar Galactic of the musical with
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: like I'm making that up, but like do you know
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like of like this alt dark version
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: of them. It was like pushing the boundaries, pushing the
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: boundaries like what theater is and like what film is
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: in the sense of like here's this dark reimagining of blank,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Like yes, thing, do you know what I'm saying?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Starthbrooks changed his name and put out an alternative rock
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: album Chris James.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Like that was for so long was like
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: the prevalent thing to be cool. Yes, And now I
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: feel like, especially this year, it's like no, actually, we
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: just want like a very well done version of like
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: something that we really cherish, and it just be that.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: And that is what this movie is. It is not
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: this like dark reimagining of like Wicked. It just is Wicked, Yes,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? It's not. It is
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: just simply the musical turned into a very well done.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Movie without cheapening anything because or.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Like changing things again just to change them in different
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: and like subvert your expectation.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: When so when I was fifteen, by the way, I
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: had to text Chris after my first viewing of Wicket.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: It's not that I forgot about the animal rights subplot,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: and yet it took me by surprise.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And what did you say? It was like the way
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: that I love this like non existent like the goat
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: or what.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Did you say? The way that I would die for
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the cgi go.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Who is actually what's his name?
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter Dinglie do I have a huge thing for
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I have a huge thing for Peter.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I also love that they like didn't trot him out
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: like no, no, pun intended, did not trot him out
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: to like the premieres where because he would be like,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: why the fuck am I here?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Like I would hear the goat on the goat?
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: He came in for two days and just did his lines.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: And it was that they didn't have like human Peter
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: dingliche like lead a protest or something like.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, not at all, not no. He was
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: like absolutely not, you.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Know, absolutely will or.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like his face, do you know what I mean?
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like a goat that looks like him like,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: there's so many ways that it could have been terrible,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't anyway.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: But when I was fifteen and before, things like misogyny
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and men and capitalism and Christianity beat the hell out
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: of me, and I became the woman that is sitting
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: on this call today. I was just a fifteen year
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: old going to the theater for the first time with
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: her friend and her friend's mom and being swept away
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: by the magic that was Oz and like, I was
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: so dumb, Chris. You know the dragon that sits on
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: top of the stage because it had like a barrel nose.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, what is that a cow? And They're like,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: that's a dragon clock and I was like oh, and
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: they're like pretty big deal. And I'm like, okay. I
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: never thought that deeply about the story of Wicked, even
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: after reading the book. For all of the Munchkin sex,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, what dark things? Who knew? But they
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: honored my w from when I was fifteen With also Nadley,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: aren't you devastated about what's coming down the pipe in
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five? And I was like, yeah, Cynthia, a little, yeah, yes,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, Glinda a little. When people tell me that
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: they just don't get it. They're like, I just what's
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: going on? I don't even get this movie. I'm like,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. When I sat there by myself on
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: a Tuesday afternoon and Cynthia Arrivo was singing Defying Gravity,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, how better to explain
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: what it feels like to be begging your friends to
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: want better for themselves than the SpongeBob motherfuckers that they have,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: than the men who are mean, the men who are cheating,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the men who are literally just losers, and just screaming
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: at them unlimited. If we all told them no, we
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: could be unlimited and for them, and then for the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: data to come in and see a majority of the
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: women that you go to the grocery store every day,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: who are white women voted for Trump. I'm like, that's
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: what it feels like. It feels like you're the person
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: being like, oh no, I'm doing this. I'm flying away
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: on the broom to go live in the West with
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: my monkeys, and the white women are like, I don't know,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Like Jeff Goldbloom is quite charming, and like.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm also like, what's not to get? Like
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: how do people if you don't understand what the theme
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: of the movie, I'm concerned for your mental state. Like
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: it's pretty spelled out for you.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I the way that Ariana, for all that she is
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and all that her past contained Asian.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, yeah, la accents, yeah yeah, tans, because she
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: is a woman of the world and from every.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Consonant, because she is every woman. It's all in her.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Arianna gave such nuance to this role of what do
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: you do when your friend is too scared to take
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: the leap with you and turn their back on all
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: of the things that have technically made her successful and
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: safe and pretty. And you know, it's not easy turning
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: your back on privilege to be like, sure, I'll live
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: in the desert with you on this brutal well.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: And that's like not what she wants. That's the other
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: thing about this is like the point of the story
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: is that it's like these two people both want something
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: and then they both go to try to get it.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: And then once she realizes, once Cynthia realizes that the
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: thing that she's wanted the whole time, which we learn
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: in her what they call a want song w ant,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: which is the wizard and I that's a musical theater term. People,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: It's like, understand what the driving force of your main
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: character is is the want song. She wants to meet
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the wizards so that he can fix her life. And
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: then she realizes, oh, you actually don't have any power
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: and I am more powerful than you, So now what
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: do I even want with my life? Right?
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: It's when you realize that you're smarter than all of
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: your male bosses and you're the person doing all the work.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: And then first but that's the thing is Glinda never wants.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Glinda wants to be famous. Glinda wants to be have
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: power because and be truly like Glinda the good. Yes, Like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I think that she really does want and it's not
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: in a mean way. It's in a she thinks that
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: that's what she wants that will get what she means.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: And it's the reason why you see so many women
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: get real close make themselves comfortable within patriarchy and misogyny
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: is because you don't know how to feel powerful. So
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Glinda's like, I'll be in a pretty bubble and I'll
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: marry Fierro and everything will be perfect, and that song's
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: coming in part two.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: I also think too, if you really think about it,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: And I don't even cause it's like, I know, we're
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: giving spoilish people that don't know the musical like that,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: but it's like, it really is that thing of like
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: do I work from the outside as like a protester,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: or do I work from the inside to get what
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: I want? Do you know what I mean?
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Which is a which is kind of very much like
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: something that's very in the zeitgeist right now.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and it's also if my friends are several beats
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: behind me on where I am in the fight or
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the cause or the radicalization.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Or just like my own yeah, like my own betterment
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: or whatever, right.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Because it's even by the end of the movie,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: it's even driving a wedge between Glinda and Fierro because
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, Fierro's like, I could hold
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: this sign, I could carry a traffic cheetah, Why I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: could do that? And so even Glinda's like, I don't
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: even know how to talk to Fierro anymore. He's so
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: political what.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: She says, like he's been thinking, he's been thinking again
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: on the floor, like on the floor.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, And so there's a lot right now that I've
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: been struggling with for an entire year of like what
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: do you do when your friends are still so behind,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: like so behind the idea of a world that doesn't
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: revolve around capitalism and money and men and men holding
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: you down and all of it. And I was like,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: that's what defying gravity is to me. It's like, no,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: please come follow me. Oh you won't. Okay, I'm still
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: gonna sing for good. Yeah for two it's fine.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: But I think I not to turn this into a
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: therapy session, but I think it's like you have to
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: beat You have to meet people where they are like
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: you can't. That person has to do it.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Themselves right exactly, because.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Again and again, just like the movie, it's like Glinda's like, no,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: this isn't my dream, it's your dream exactly, and so
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: now like you need to do that, and I need
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: to do that. And that doesn't mean that we're It's
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: actually funny because in so many and I feel like
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: in so many shows, especially in the last five years,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: and I think Broad City is like the crown jewel
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: of this. It's a show about people in a codependent
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: relationship and how it's terrible. I think another version of
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: this is from wayback is Seinfeld, like Jerry and George
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: being in a codependent relationship is I think like the
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: maybe the blueprint of it, but like in the last
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: what ten years, like in the twenty tens, it's broad City,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: It's broad City, and then like all the other like
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: offshoot versions of that that are like kind of born
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: out of the success of that show. But like this
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: is actually a movie about them not having a codependent relationship, right,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: They actually both go their separate ways to see what
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: they can do and like what will happen to them?
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And my big thing that I've been saying every
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: time I'm mad is well, you can't save them all.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: And that came up in James back Boy's last movie,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Speak No Evil, where some where they left a woman
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: behind because she was still siding with James back Boy.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: And I looked at my sister's best friend of many
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: years and I went, you can't fucking save them all
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: and she went, well that's dark, and I was like,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and yet it's the one It's the one lesson I've learned. Yeah, Like, yeah,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: you just have to do what did what you're You
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: need to do what you do that keeps your soul intact,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: and for Alphabet it was, yeah, she probably could have
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: like wormed her weight in good with the Wizard and
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: then taken him down or assassinated him or whatever, and
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: instead she was like, I don't even want to spend
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: time with him, Like I'm not no, I'm not into this.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: And the theme of the movie being are you born wicked?
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Or is wickedness thrusted upon you?
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Is?
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: So I think it's way more powerful in the movie
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: than it is in the stage adaptation. I think they
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Know, I don't know if I agree with that. I
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Seen the musical in a while.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like I that part because to me,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: like when I think of wicked, I think of like,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: is are people born wicked? Or do they have wicked
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: thrust upon them? And that is kind of like a
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: throwaway line in the movie, and that to me is
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: like sets up the entire the entire story, and like
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: they don't even have it on when they show that line.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: It's on a shot of like the poster of like
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: the Witch, Like they don't even show Ariana saying that,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: And I feel like that I was like, that was
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: that was one thing. I was like, oh, that could
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: have been different, because that, to me is like the
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: entire the entire movie theme of the thing, you know
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: what I mean, is like everyone because the whole thing
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: is like you make the choice, like the thing is
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: how do I say this? When it first came out,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: it was like, oh, we're reimagining the story of the
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Wicked Witch of the West. Now Wicked had become its
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: own whole thing. That's like, we know these characters and
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: like Alpha, but has not become more famous than the
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Wicked Witch of the West and the Wizard of Oz
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, for people so alive, like for us,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: whereas in the Wizard of like at the time of
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: it coming out, it was like so novel that it
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: was like this reimagining of the Wizard of Oz as
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: like the prequel to Wizard of Oz which then was born,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: like the Star Wars prequels, and like the Hobbit movies
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: and like all that, you know what I mean, Like
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: it like all these like prequels are like was a
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: huge thing at the time, and so it's like we
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: almost forget that because we just it is the story
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: of Wicked that is like it's just been so normalized
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: to be that, whereas like when it first came out,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: that was the whole point was like, is the Wicked
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Witch of the West actually actually bad? Okay? So in
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Beowulf there's a monster called Grendel, and I remember that
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: when we read Beowulf in high school, people were like, oh,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: they did this really cool version where it's from Grendel's
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: perspective and it's like a different book that's like from
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: the monster's perspective, and like, that's what wicked is is
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: this same thing? Do you know what I mean? Like
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: it was like and again at the time, that was
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: like all and cool and different, and like, oh.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I loved a twisted fairy tale. I loved a fairy
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: tale from a different point of view. I love oh.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: When I was a kid, part of the reason I
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: was a big reader is because we lived through the
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: age of them just revamping. Uh now it's Beauty and
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: the Beast, but he's a lion, and it's.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Like, yes, that's yeah. And then I'm so glad that
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: they like didn't do any of that right. It wasn't
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: this thing that was. It was truly just like this
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: is the musical on film with with hundreds of millions
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: of dollars put behind it? Do you know what I mean?
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Like with like well, and I think, also, what does
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: it always? Because I go back and forth on the
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: villain retellings because we're getting a scar one. They named
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: it the Mufasa movie, but I think what it's gonna
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: end up doing is making us all a scar. Yeah,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be like, fuck mu was an asshole, Yeah
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: fuck Scar got got like yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Probably yeah, So did anyone ask for this movie? Now?
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: And I would have.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I would have gone if they had done cute Disney animation,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: but they did the fucking lif action shit. So I'm
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: not going. And I don't care how many sauce slin
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Manuel Miranda wrote, I'm not going. Every once in a while,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: I get real Republican about shit and I'm like, villain
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to be redeemed, like like Scar did
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: some shit and it was bad and I don't want
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: to know it's tragical life story. But with Alphaba, I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: was sold. And I think that Cynthia does a really
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: great job of humanizing her because of those small moments
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: where she's showing on her face that this is hard
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: for her too. I think when I listen to Idina
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: do it. It leans more on the proud and the stubborn,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: and Cynthia continuously shows me, Hey, this is hard for
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: me too. It's hard being the good guy being made
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: out to be the bad guy.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you have you seen these videos of
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Adina Menzel singing Not to malign this woman, but when
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: she and like all this to say, like devine gravity
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: is like one of the hardest songs to sing ever,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: and like the Frozen song, like I don't know if
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: anyone can actually really sing the song, like it's so
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: hard to sing that let it Go, Like that song
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: is so high and so crazy. But do you see
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: where she's singing and it's like let the storm rage ah,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: and she doesn't hit it and she like tries like
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: six times, and it's so embarrassing.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I've always wanted to know, Okay, not don't have Dominic
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: come after me, but like even Cher's voice eventually started
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: to show its age, and like Dolly Parton's voice, like
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: your vocal.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: No, sure, yeah, of course, of course, of course, of course.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I would love to know what women who Hushanaia Twain
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: has aged out of her hits, Like what do you
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: do to keep your vocal chords.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Well, Selene, you said Selene had to do like a
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: she would do like a saline thing. E've like she
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: like you have to like do you have to see
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: such maintenance on it? And like she can't sing it
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: and it's like she cried it was so embarrassing. I'm
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: sure she keeps trying to hit the note and then
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: she's like you guys couldn't do it either, Like I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: was like, oh and even on the press store, like
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Adina is like like looks just like so miffed by
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: the whole thing, whereas like Kristen is like, I love them.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: There are girls, there are girls, but like the few
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: times that Adena's is like the four of them, she
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: looks like just so like miserable.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Could you she Okay, no, because it's hard aging in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: this industry, especially in Broadway. I mean, you did just
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: see Gypsy with Odra, right.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get there, but yes, continue, but it's hard.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: It's a hard industry. But then I think of like
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Sunset Boulevard and how crazy that main character was, and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, that is what happens to you.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: You go Gray Gardens.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: But like she's not, but this is the thing. It's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: like she was in I mean, she's like a Broadway legend. Yes,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: like period for this role and so many others.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Were you a rent kid too?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course she's like the original character in one
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: of the original characters, Mari.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Agree, and she's Marine in the movie.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: She's also the Wild Party, like is a musical. It's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: like a lesser known one, but like she's the original
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Wild Party. And so she sings one of the best
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: songs in theater ever called the Life of the Party,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: about how she's just like a drunken slot and she
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: just like she's like I as long as I'm like partying,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: like I'll do whatever, and like as long as that
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: party keeps going, we're good to go, and like, don't
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: you want to feel like this? It's such a good song,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: and like I almost think that she it seems to me.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like she feels sholved.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: She feels like she's like I did all this amazing
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: stuff and like none of you care.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: I Dina, I'm talking directly to you right now. I
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: do care. We care? Yeah? Take Me or Leave Me
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: was my MySpace song, when, of course it was it
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: was take Me or leave me because like, yeah, I
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: She just seems I don't know what's going on with her,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: but like it's I don't know when I look with
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: some of the YouTube now that my YouTube algorithm has
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: been wrecked and it's not just ASMR videos anymore of
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: like people getting massaged, and now it's like everything about Wicked. Ever,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: there's like all these things of her performing and I'm like,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: she sounds terrible.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I never I was gonna get tickets
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: to Shania Twain's last tour and my friend texted me
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and she's like, you need to look this.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Tour up on Yeah, you need to get eyes on this.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like because she's not finishing, And because I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: was going to take my mom and I told Mom,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I go, this isn't how we wanna Remembernia.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm nervous to ever go see Selina again,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, is she going to be stuff? Like
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? It's like I might
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: have seen the last good one ever.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a weird thing to be a woman who
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: was born in nineteen eighty eight and knew everything about
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: these older women and is like, well, I'll never get
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: to see good share good Share. Fuck, I don't get
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: to live well when good Like I'll never get to
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: see the Beatles fuck, Like yeah, yeah, I bet you,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I bet you. It's just that, like, because you're right,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: she's technically not to the point where she would be
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: aging out of the industry, but she's not also in
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: the part of her life where she's hot for roles
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: on the industry, you know.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: And there's all these videos on the Internet of her
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: singing badly do you know what I mean? And I'm like, oh, like, oh,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: like I love Lucy right into the camera, you know
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: what I mean. I'm like, it doesn't it's not great. However,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: there's just she's doing some new musical that's like all
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: built around her that's like coming out in like next month.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe she's just egotistical and that's why te Diggs
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: loved her slam Blayo look at me fightied women of
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: my own.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, you never know, no, but there's like it's there.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: It's palpable, like when the four of them are together
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: that she's like the odd one out.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I hate that because I don't love.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: I know, but I don't I feel that she's not
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: giving the love that I know. Kristen's like being a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: lunatic because she is a mummy. Yeah, like she is
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: such a lunatic. But like that, Adina is like, I.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Don't know, it is. I think it's I think it's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: honestly harder to be forty in the industry than it
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: is to be sixty.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: In the industry sometimes because.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: You know, like Jane Fonda can play anyone do whatever.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: She was she's eighty almost How old is she? She's
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: like almost eighty years old or she is?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, she is Adie. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: But okay, So to get to Gypsy really quickly, yes,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Odra again, back to my thesis of this episode, we
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: got we went to Gypsy Audra McDonald playing the titular
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: role of not even the titular role. Actually it's actually
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: not the titular role, but it but the main character
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Mama Rose, Mama Rose. Many people were like, can she
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: sing this? And because it like is but like her
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: voice is very different, she's not a belt. They are
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: correct and thinking that way. And I will say that
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: the two biggest songs of the show, like she does
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: do her version of them versus which I'm fine with
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: because she's not Patti Lapone or she's not a belter,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like she does a
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: different her voice is more delicate, and she I will
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: tell you just to get not I'll get in the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: weeds for two seconds. Her version of Everything's coming up
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Roses is, in my opinion, the most. I was the
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: most blown away by that than any person that I've
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: ever seen performing. And that's kind of a throwaway song.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: It's not a throway song, but it's like a it's
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: the end of the first act and it's like just
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: like she's so excited about it. But this version that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: she does it is like she's like, I have to
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: make this work because if I don't like what am
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: I life Like she's more frantic and more like this
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: is my only hope, and you feel she acts the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: shit out of this, Like I'm like, you will want
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: to Toni one hundred percent because just she does it
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: in a way that I've never seen before. And again,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: this isn't like ooh, it's like this bold, weird take
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: where like three black girls are gonna be the of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: this musical, like it's just simply gypsy. In the same time.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: They just are black.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: It's not you know, I mean, it's Queen Latifa's version
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: of Steel Meth Dolius.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: No, it's not, no, but do you know what I'm saying.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: It's just like yeah, it is a well done version
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: of this thing. And again like you feel it. You
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: feel that all through the musical of like this is
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: them and they're like these black girls that are fighting
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: so badly to get stage time and they won't get it.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Like they didn't need to change any of it. It
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: was so well done because they didn't have to do
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: it was a very well done version of something that
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: we all love. When I tell you, the people in
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: the audience were like, this is my favorite musical. Myself included,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: this is my favorite musical. I can't wait. Everyone is
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: like jet, everyone's talking, everyone's so jazzed, everyone's so excited,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: and they get on that stage and when I tell you,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: they just knock them dead, number after number, and you're
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: just the audience was rare, rabid, Like when she finished
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Rose's turn at the end, we all stood up and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: gave her a standing ovation. People were screaming bloody murder.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: I like her and people people in the front row
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: getting like almost getting on stage basically because we were
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: up so much. When every person when the when every
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: single main character came on the set for the first time,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: we it was like a It was like Meryl Streep
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: was like it was like as if even the girl
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: the younger girls who were like these two really good
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: girls that went up were on the notebook. Like when
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Louise and June, like the adult versions, came out applaud it,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: we were like going crazy. They're like nobody, Like they're
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: not that famous, you know what I mean. Like they're
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: both so talented, but like they're not an household named
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Audra McDonald, and we were screaming bloody murder for them.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: It was we are hitting the return of well done
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: classic that is like led by talent. Not Chicago. Not
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: I love you know, I love her, but like not
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Arianomattox in Chicago.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Not but did you see her at the Macy's Thanksgiving
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Day parade?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Because she's come a long way, sure, but like not
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Not Christie Brinkley in Chicago,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: which I saw and wanted to kill myself.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, well you know what my hot take on Chicago is,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: what is that roxy was built for women who can't
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: sing because think of it, like the story. The story
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: should revolve around a woman who has no star power
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: and literally goes to jail trying to fuck find me.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, none of the songs actually are that talented.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: No, mm hmm, Belma does all the talent.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: We are again we are returning to not this like
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: weird steampunk version of blah blah blah show. Yeah you
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, or like one, but it's all
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: like different genders playing the different roles of the do
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? How they always try to
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: do like weird things too for publicity, like just for
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: no reason, or like we're doing like this, but this
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: person this time is like a secretary instead of like
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: a pounder girl, you know what I mean, where they
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: like change it to be like present day or stuff
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: like that, don't need it, are red d for just
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: like the classics done again extremely well period.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: And I think Cynthia and Ariana and again who knew?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Who knew Ariana Grande would be an actress who could
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: contain multitudes of nuance?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Not me.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: There's some face work she's doing and no one mourns
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: the wicked. She's doing that thing where you hold your
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: face really still, but it's because you're upset and you're
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: just trying to be like uh huh oh no.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: And you feel it in the and you feel it
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: in the show like you feel it in that number
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: where she's you see that she doesn't know what's really like.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: She's like, I guess I'm gonna throw this this like
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: torch and burn my friend's effigy, do you know what
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: I mean? And then she's like, well, I have to
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: do this, this is what I And again it's like
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: you see that and we know because we know the story, yes,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: like I've chosen this and so now I have to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: like go full in. And she's like, well, there's nothing
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: enough to do about it, and so I have to
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: throw it, you know what I mean? I had to
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: like throw the.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: And well, and for anyone who doesn't know the show
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: and know what's coming up, please know that there are
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: no happy parts in part two. They put all of
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: the all the sad parts in the second movie.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: I actually think but this is the thing. I actually
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: think that because I don't really love the second half
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: of the show. I don't think it's it's like good,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: but it's like the first part is exponentially better. But
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: I actually think that the movie will make it better.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I so, what are your favorite songs
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: before you went and saw the movie? Like what were
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: your banners from the soundtrack the Wizard?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: And I okay, obviously frank gravity, but like that that's
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: where you're putting that aside and then probably popular.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, mine, we're always what is this feeling? Because I'm petty, yeah,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: and I hate a lot of people. And then from
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: act too, it's always for good, and like I think
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: of for good when like an exponential like today when
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: I was singing for Good and I was like and
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: later on I'm going to be recording for with Chris
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: and He's changed my life, Chelsea's changed my life. Like
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: it's such like if you're a person who's constantly in
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: your feelings about like all the luckiness you've had about
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: meeting people or whatever, for good is like crack because
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: you're correct because you're constantly crying.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: When they keep saying that their version of it, like
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: they like were like, what was the song that you
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: liked singing together the most? And they said for good
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: like they were like each of them say that, and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: because they already shot the whole freakin movie like it's done.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: I crave it. And I crave because you know, I
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: used to be real horny, so I do crave as
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: long as your mind.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll good.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: That one of them, Bailey just like rolling around in
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: a dark swamp singing sixty songs.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really nervous to see, like what he's gonna
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: look like is the scarecrow?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Aren't we all? I know?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, so do we think that? Oh? No, we know,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: we know?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: What do we know?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Because like in the beginning shot, whenever it's like her
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: hat is like she's like singed away, but then like
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: the next on's the monkey slide of the window. The
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: next shot you see is someone riding a horse and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: that's her right.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Well at the end of the musical, don't they just
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: pop out from like her base and yeah, and.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, we're gonna be music's over. I think that,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: like I think that Glinda is gonna know, like weirdly,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's gonna be a shot of Glinda
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: doing like four good and she's gonna look up and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: like see that she's like on her broom like way
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: in the distance and then like fly away, and then
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: she's gonna be like, even though that's something happens in that,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: that doesn't that's not what happens in the I.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Can't remember if that's what happens in the book.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: It's Oh, I don't know. No, she dies in the book.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, she dies in the book, and Fiero isn't the scarecrow.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: She she thinks that he's going to be the scarecrow,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: and then that was like her last hope is that
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: he's going to be the scarecrow and get it come
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: to and then when they does, he does, when the
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: scarecrow gets there, it's not him. It's not him, and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: so she's like, that was my last reason. I remember
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: the climax of the book being like so intense, and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: she like hates Dorothy so much. But then once she
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: realizes that Dorothy just is like an outcast here like
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: she was, then she's like, I'm a fucking terrible person.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she dies. The book is so fucking dark.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: It's so dark, so dark, we're talking about dark reimagining
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: that the.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Book God and he wrote it to be dark and
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: political and to make us think about our lives, and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: we didn't.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Now let's read it, and then you're like, what the
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: fuck is this?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was just gonna be orgy on orgies.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: But then like yeah, right, because like again, like it's
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: like the monkeys break through in that first part. That's
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: like the no no no no no no no, the
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: monkeys break through the window. But then as you see them,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: then you see that there's like the drawbridge and it's
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: like a hooded figure on a horse like riding for
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: a minute, but like that's her.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: It's got to be.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: It has to be right there. Whose And then you
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: go up over that thing and then you see the
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: wizard like you see Dorothy and all the people.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, Chris, I'm seeing it for a
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: third time on Saturdays.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: So I'll be made same same, so we'll be able
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: to verify this.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I told I told my step mom. I was like,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: I might see it once a week until it's gone,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: until they won't let me see it anymore, like until
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: they physically remove it from theaters. Because it's a great
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: way to spend three hours. It's just sure, it's really beautiful.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: How do you feel because we talked about talent, but
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: as with all good shows, there was stunk casting, and
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: it came in the form of Jeff Goldbloom and maybe
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: You're Queen Michelle.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Yo, yeah, sell you. I'm fine with it. I see
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: where people could be like, why was she in this role?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: M h. I love her, but I also like I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: like it okay, but she's very That's like the way
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: that she acts is like that, do you know what
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: I mean? I don't know, but I but she is
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: still like when she does like her remarkable, like that's
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: a good. That was good. There are times when she
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: needs to be like more evil, and I think they
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: kind of were like just be normal.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe she ramps it up for part two. I
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: think she does, because Belinda does start to let's.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Say they like spar they like Spart.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: She begins to regret her life, and.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I don't know, she is I feel
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: like the weak link of all of them, but she's
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: still I don't know. That part is so such a
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: nothing part, you know what I mean? It's like a therefore,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: like a plot device more than like a real character.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: As you know, I think Jeff Goldbloom is daddy and
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: and a lot of our friends have told me that
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong and he's creepy. He's daddy. I believe that
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Jeff Goldbloom is what we all base sexuality around.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: He also like did great in this. He has no
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: he barely has a he was Jeff Goldbloom as the Wizard,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: but like I'd rather that than like something who else
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: would do it.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: I love him. I want that big stone bust of
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: his head. Do you think that that?
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And then he had like tap shoes on
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: for no reason, Like that was so fun, Like I
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: just found it fun. And he's like a weirdo.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, I love that even so again Nuance and Layers,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: it's like, well is the Wizard even that evil of
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: a guy Ris, He's just like a guy that crashed
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: and made up a story. He's like he's just like
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: like Goof, Who's like, He's like, you're you're weird uncle
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: at Christmas, Who's like.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not, Like he's not like fair. He mean
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: he is, but he's not this like evil no, like
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: I'm maniacal and like I want to be a dictator.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: I mean he does, but it's like in the way
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: that's like because he's like oh I could do this, Like, Okay,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like mediocre and a loser. I'm not even like
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: really that smart, so I'm just gonna like do it.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, him and him and Bach the King of the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: in cells so yeah, and no, I loved that part
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: and I think that I like got more tickled the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: second viewing of him just being like, come play in
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: my train set.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like and we're like, oh, this man's a.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Loser and like uncle Jeff and he.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: Says like and he's like, I spent a lot of
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: time a long Like remember when he says that I.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Did whisper to myself when he went huh, what's that?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: And I went, oh, no, a close batchick. Yeah, I
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: was like not a magician, no, but no, I love
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: him in it. I thought Jonathan Bailey also did a
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: really good job. And apparently he owns that horse, so
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: that's hot. Yeah, he owns that horse like ding dong, yeah,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: ding dong. Also I heard that he did all of
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: his own dancing when.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: They all did their own stunts. That's the other part
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: of this is like even the the Ess Rose, the
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: girl playing Neessa Rose, when they were like, Okay, we're
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: gonna like hoist you up in the air like ninety
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: million feet like, and she's like, I'm doing it. And
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: then like even Arian and you said they caught each
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: other and they're like, well, you're doing your own sons, right,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: And she's like yes, and she's like me too, and
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, dumb, Like that matters. That matters when
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: when Tom Cruise where Shelley hangs onto the side of
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: a plane, we all fucking give him like ninety million awards, okay.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: We do, and he doesn't even do me the good
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: graces of falling off said fucking playing. Yeah, because hanes on.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I found Jonathan Bailey delightful. And you know
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I'm a Bridgerton hater. You know that I watch it.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Actually I watch every season of Bridgerton just so I
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: can tell people how unsexy.
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  Speaker 2: How much you hate it.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the sexiest thing that they ever pull off
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: on Bridgerton is ooh he goes down on women. And
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, bigger bar. Yeah, I do find him very
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: I love a man who isn't afraid of touching other
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: men on screen, like the way that he interacts when
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: he spins that old lady librarian to be.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Like incredible, I'm sexy and incredible, Like it was so good.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: And again that joke has happened ninety million times. Yes,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: the joke of like an old lady is like horny
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: for like a young hot guy like that is it's
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: the oldest trick in the book. Do you know what
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like, and yet we loved it.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved every moment of this movie.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: When people give me like, okay, the lighting. I did
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: notice the lighting. I noticed that it washed out some
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: people and I didn't.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: It just was a very natural light for like what
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: I assumed it'd be, like a fantastical situation.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, you could have just clicked I was
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: like thinking about my iPhone and I was like, if
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: you had just clicked that window, it would have shown
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: me Ariana's face because it would have just the lighting to.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: Not but like that. Yeah, but like like we all
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: say this, but like remember like that was they intentionally
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: shot it this way?
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Like who am I to tell John two what to do?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Who am I? They didn't pay me to do it?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: No, And you know what, other people like you watch
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: they will win cinematography. Oh, they should camerawork in that
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: movie where it was incredible compared to compared to I
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: watched Conclave Getting Ready to be blown Away. When I
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: tell you the chem work on the movie was the
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: most predictable, boring shit I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: When I tell you that, I can't even type in
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: CEO and to try and pretend like I'm gonna watch
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Conclave and think of all think of all those like
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: barely straight men that I love that are in Conclave.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: Ye, no, like yeah, it's like right up for you. Yeah,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: it's up your alley.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Find yeah, ray Fines. But then they all decided that
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: they wanted to be pope, and I'm like, I'm out.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: I don't, like, I don't want to watch you battle
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: to be pope.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: It's it's and it's like not even that I wish
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: that's what It's like so weird, I don't know. It
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: was like not my jam, but like there was one
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: scene where like John Lithgow is being like confronted by
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Ray Fines and it's a long it's like a scene
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: that's like very intense. Yeah, compared to the rest of
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: the movie where he's like, I know you did this
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: and blah blah, and it's like shit goes down and
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: it's like a long track down the hallway to see
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: them fighting, and I'm like, what is this two thousand
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: and seven, like get me out of here?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight, two thousand late, like.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: The exact opposite choice to make in this scene that's
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: like a very integral scene for the movie where that
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: like drives the entire story forward.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they should win. Oh, they should win so many
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: fucking Oscars for this movie, because, let me tell you,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I'm so tired of Star Wars winning like sound mixing
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: and like special effects.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, they'll win every one of these. And if one
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: of the technical awards they're gonna win. There's no way.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: What was a good movie that was technical this year?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: You can't name one A Dune movie a Dune give
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: me a break. I can't watch the Dune movies either.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: The second one was good. The second one was better
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: the first one.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I guess we should wrap up.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: What have we been doing this for two hours? Yeah?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: What do we even say?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: We played a trip? We No?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like I drove home my thesis of like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: well done, well done versions of things I love and
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: It's true that, like when women do things really well,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, even other women are like, I
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: don't get it, Like what just be happy to women
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: are on the movie like we had that argument with
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: but also a movie too.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: What's there not to get? But I will say this
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: is so different because it's like, what's not to get
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: about this? Like it's a movie version of this musical
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: that has been on Broadway for my entire adult life? Right,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: there's really just google it and you can find out.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Like the Bar movie, we had no idea what that
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: was going to be, Like we knew what this movie
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: was going to be.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Also, I don't understand why you would sit through a
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: two and a half hour movie for a musical that
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: you didn't see when you were fifteen? Yeah, why are
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: you going?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: No? I agree with you, that's why, or at least
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: been like, let me read the Wikipedia page of what
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: the musical is, so I like, know, what.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Listen to a soundtrack? What do you think our lesson is?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: From the Wicked movie and everything surrounding it? What do
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: you think our life lesson is?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: I think that our life lesson is that don't be
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: embarrassed about.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Your talent and I would add on as my life
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: lesson is it's okay to live joyfully, Like it's okay
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: to be excited about this.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: You're allowed to like enjoy your life.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Wicked was your jump start for it's like, hey,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: it's cool again to be a geek over stuff. But
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: as you know, I went full off the edge for
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: that fucking ariostour. H and like that was my moment
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: of like, oh my god, we can enjoy things again.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like I don't have to be like a
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: too cool for school person.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: It's like, and it's been so much better. So yeah.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: I also yeah, and I think another lesson of the
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Wicked movie is you can always come back from your
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: shitty Nicol Nickelodeon built reputation like get correct correct, Like
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: I am officially saying that we were walking forward with
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: grace now when it comes to Ariana Grande.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was getting wrecked earlier.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: She was getting wrecked and we're over it. Chris fixed her.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: No, but I think it really I think the biggest
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: lesson is like we're back to basics, baby, and that's
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: like there's a power in that. That's how I feel,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: and I feel like it's a time where like talent
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: will rise to the top. Yes, which as it should be.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Well and as two very fucking talented people on this call,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: may I say, it's about damn time. I would love
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: for Chris and I to be getting our flowers instead
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: of these morons, these micro influencers on all the red carpets,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: asking asking Hugh Grant of all people, dumb questions.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, never forget you?
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Do you love plaid or stripes? And He's like, fuck you,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: And then you guys want to be bad at Hugh Grant.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: I'm mad at that teenager for even approaching Hugh Grant.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Never forget. So, yeah, it's about goddamn time that talent
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: get us somewhere. I would like to manifest that Wicked
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: inspires people to hire special effects, makeup and costuming people
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: and do practical sets again.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, agree, agree. I'm sick of the like full,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sick of the marvel, the marvel.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sick of everyone just showing up and putting
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: on a computer on their body. It doesn't fun for
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: the actors either. Could you imagine going to work every
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: day and putting on a green condom all over your
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: body with little ping pond balls and then them being
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: all like Nabi today, you're Golinda the Good Am.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: I yeah, no, no, I'm not like.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Give me a pink fucking prom dress. I'm Glinda the
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: Good Yeah. What would your manifestation like to be? Because
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: I've been on that for a while, the like we
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: need to go back to practical effects.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with you. I mean that's why I
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: hated the Hobbit movies because they were just all green
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: screen and like whereas like Lord of the ringsey Og
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: is like so beautiful beauty, It's like so beautiful. I
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: think that I would I'm manifesting that, like I'm the
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: talent is rising to the top. I know I just
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: said it already, but like where it's like this person
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: that's like has a really good voice is like super
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: rewarded for that, or like someone who's like putting in
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: the work and like really showing up versus like be
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: you know who I got left in the fucking dust
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Renee Rapp. We can't go into it. But like someone
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: who was like I'm great, like blah blah blah this
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: and that, like remember her press Star, She's like old
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: people that are older than me, are like I don't
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: even know who they are or like whatever. Yeah, and
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: I was like and everyone was like, no, we're actually fine.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: And she like had talent but tried to be a
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: cool girl and like she was rejected love Like I
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: like that. I would rather like nine thousand Rachel Berrys
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: be like not Lea Michelle, but like Rachel Berry's like
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: become real actors and like take it so seriously than yeah,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: like a bunch of Renee raps, like yeah, cool girls
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: and like be mean.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: I think you and I are people who enjoy art,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: and therefore, when we're watching a movie, I want to
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: see the craft behind that movie and behind the character.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Well, Chris, I'm so glad that we got to do
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: this for eighteen hours.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: For two hours, for two full hours.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for two full hours, and then you're gonna sign
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: up to do it again for two full hours for
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: it ends with us.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm I can't wait.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: I got my notea ready, and you have to come
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: back for part two and all the sad things happen
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: in the Wicked play. But make sure everyone knows where
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: to find fixing famous people in you and all the
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: times you're going to be at Dominic's show, so.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: You can find me at the Christa Rosa. You can
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: find the show at Fixing Famous People. Obviously you can
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: findinally on multiple episodes. Dominic is doing his lie, his
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: end of the year the dom We now are gay
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: apparel show, so you can find me there. You can
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: find show. You can find tickets at domitary dot com.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: And yeah, our patreon is pop and Pop and we
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: need to have you on for Ullienne Rhymes. Maybe that's
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: a good Maybe that's a good bonus episode.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: That we do any anything to be on a call
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: with you and dom And now I'm plying out to
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: see Gypsy.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, and you'll be yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: That I'm coming for Gypsy and you.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: And us Okay, I love you, I love me to uh.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: And remember, tolerators, you don't have to smile through anything
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: you're tolerating, including wanting to see the biggest movie of
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: the decade every week until they rip it from your
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: cold dead hands and having people tell you that it
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: was overproduced, that the lighting was bad, and that Ariano
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Grande should die for all of her sins. Smiles are
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: so joy over.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: People are bold to say overproduced when there's the ship
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: that we've had to sit through, people say are like