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Best Of 2026 | Healthy Self-Awareness vs Unhealthy Navel-Gazing: What’s the Difference? · Talk About That

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Speaker 1: Hey out there to all of our friends from Banter Town,
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Speaker 1: this is John. As you've probably heard by now after
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Speaker 1: 10 years of Talk About That episodes airing most every week,
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Speaker 1: Johnny and I have hit an especially busy season in
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Speaker 1: both of our lives that has required us to take
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Speaker 1: a little hiatus from weekly episodes. Hey, but fear not.
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Speaker 1: We'd still like to bring you some of the best
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Speaker 2: Today on Talk About That, John gets a fancy new
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Speaker 2: watch and helps me confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: I write a new jingle for a prescription drug and
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Speaker 2: take credit for a friend's Grammy nomination. plus a conversation
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Speaker 2: about self-awareness and why understanding yourself is part of understanding
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Speaker 1: Johnny, it's a cold one. Let's talk about that. Man,
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Speaker 1: it's frigid. Pop open a cold one. That's not.
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Speaker 2: That could mean anything, though. You know what I'm saying? Like,
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Speaker 2: I pop open a cold one, it's just soda.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: But everybody imagines beer when you say pop open a
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Speaker 2: cold one, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about it.
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Speaker 2: I don't like the way they've monopolized the whole.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, no kidding. Someone said
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Speaker 1: that today. It's the second time I've heard it today.
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Speaker 2: Have you?
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Speaker 1: Because we were talking about Lent. Yeah. And how, like,
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Speaker 1: On Easter Sunday is the ending of Lent. And someone
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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I can hear them popping open a
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Speaker 1: coal one right there in the sanctuary. And I was like,
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Speaker 1: that's a funny idea. We all come and break our
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Speaker 1: fast on purpose together.
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Speaker 2: I realized the other day, well, not the other day,
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Speaker 2: but somebody, when you think of breakfast, that's when you
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Speaker 2: break your fast. You're having breakfast. It's just kind of,
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Speaker 2: it's one of those words that like has like a,
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Speaker 2: it means exactly what it is. You're breaking your fast.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think I get a lot of credit for fasting
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Speaker 2: when I was just laying.
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Speaker 1: Stationary for nine hours. Yeah, calling it a fast. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: That's judicious.
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Speaker 2: And I did say nine hours. If I don't get
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Speaker 2: my nine to 12 hours, John, I am hard to
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Speaker 2: deal with. I try to catch up when I'm home
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Speaker 2: because when I'm doing road stuff, you have to get
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Speaker 2: up at like 4 a.m. to go make a flight.
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Speaker 2: So when I get back, if I have a day off,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm sleeping in, and then I can't do it.
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Speaker 2: I'll wake up at 7 or 8, no matter what.
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Speaker 2: You've got to fight. Then I get up and I'll
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Speaker 2: break my fast.
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Speaker 1: I have a new watch that I got from my mother-in-law.
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Speaker 2: You showed it to me, and here's what you did, though.
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Speaker 2: You did the thing where you go, I don't need
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Speaker 2: to have an Apple Watch where it's just constantly doing
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Speaker 2: all this. He goes, plus this watch, and he shows
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Speaker 2: me all these features. It's like a regular-looking watch, but
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Speaker 2: then it's got the digital thing in the middle where
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Speaker 2: it's got heart rate, all that stuff. And I go, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I have all my Apple Watches. But you were kind
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Speaker 2: of like saying, like, I don't need all the stuff
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Speaker 2: you have distracting me.
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Speaker 1: I don't. I had an Apple Watch.
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Speaker 2: But then you showed me all the stuff that this does.
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Speaker 1: No, my watch doesn't buzz all day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't. I don't get notifications. I just check it.
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Speaker 2: But I think you think you're better than me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. You don't have to finish the sentence. Okay. Okay.
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Speaker 1: That's not even about the watch. Yeah. No, the watch, like,
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Speaker 1: so what it does that I wanted to know is,
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Speaker 1: do I have sleep apnea? Oh, does it do that? Well,
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Speaker 1: it will tell you, yeah, disturbances it will detect. Okay.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not getting any sleep. But they also tell
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Speaker 1: you how long it's been in rim and all that.
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Speaker 1: Good lord.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how it really can do that,
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Speaker 2: but okay. Do you believe that something on your wrist would– plus,
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Speaker 2: you don't wear a watch on your wrist all night.
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Speaker 1: I think it's hard.
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Speaker 2: When do you have to charge it?
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Speaker 1: It charges like every two weeks. It only charges a
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Speaker 1: long time. Oh, okay.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's good compared to the Apple Watch.
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Speaker 1: And it looks– again, it's got actual hands.
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Speaker 2: If the Apple Watch is a sponsor today, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to be so happy. That'd be a good haul for us.
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Speaker 2: That's not a– Yeah, that'd be... No slouch of a sponsor.
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Speaker 1: Come on, Apple. We use a lot of Apple... We're
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Speaker 1: recording this on an Apple product. That's true. Looking at
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Speaker 1: Apple products. Yeah. Probably thinking about Apple.
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Speaker 2: While you besmirch my Apple product.
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Speaker 1: Again, I had one. I just want to be free.
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Speaker 1: This thing... This other thing already buzzes. I want it
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Speaker 1: buzzing in both hands. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That is one of the few conspiracies... I think I
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Speaker 2: maybe have talked about it on the show before, but
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Speaker 2: it's one of the few conspiracies I do believe in,
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Speaker 2: which is that Apple, if you have a watch or
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Speaker 2: a phone... That they send it weird pulses throughout the
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Speaker 2: day to make you interact with it that are just
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Speaker 2: phantom pulses.
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Speaker 1: Interesting.
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Speaker 2: I've heard that before. Like if you have an Apple
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Speaker 2: Watch and it goes, and then you go, and you
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Speaker 2: look down and there's no new notification. But now you're like, well,
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Speaker 2: while I'm here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And you look at it for a few seconds.
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Speaker 1: It was like my dog. We had the back door.
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Speaker 1: We have a bell that he's supposed to ring to
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Speaker 1: go out. But now he just hits it to get
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Speaker 1: your attention. So there's food on the counter or something.
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Speaker 2: It's like the bell on the counter at the hotel.
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Speaker 1: Ding, ding, ding. Hello. It is. Yeah. Sometimes he just
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Speaker 1: wants you to play. He'll just be like, he knows
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Speaker 1: you'll walk over there. You open the door. He looks
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Speaker 1: at you like, I'm not going out there.
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Speaker 2: This dog has trained you.
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Speaker 1: That dog is. Yeah. There's something about him. Hey, we
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Speaker 1: just had a little incident right before this all started. What?
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Speaker 1: And it was a phone call. Yeah. I mean.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've known this stuff is coming because with AI
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Speaker 2: and everything, but this was like a good old-fashioned scam. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, because AI is getting creepy now. It's like,
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Speaker 2: where are you?
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Speaker 1: And crepey. By the way, that'd be weird. If you
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Speaker 1: haven't been to AI Crepey, the restaurant, it is so good.
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Speaker 2: This place gives me the crepes. That's what I've always
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Speaker 2: wanted to have a breakfast place that says this place
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Speaker 2: gives me the crepes. I did think of one the
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Speaker 2: other day, too, which was a ophthalmologist, but it's called
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Speaker 2: Find CF Eye Care. you like that i like it
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Speaker 2: okay so i get a phone call and like i
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Speaker 2: said ai it's coming where i'm reading these stories about
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Speaker 2: people who are getting like a it's your grandma and
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Speaker 2: she's saying wow i need help or like you call
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Speaker 2: your grandma it's her grandson she goes he goes i'm
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Speaker 2: in jail i'm in panama city i'm in jail i
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Speaker 2: just need bail money can you send it to this
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Speaker 2: address or here's the thing to send your And then
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Speaker 2: the grandma hears her grandson's voice and just gives the
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Speaker 2: credit card number. Then AI has generated that. So that's coming,
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Speaker 2: and that's already out here. This was a good old-fashioned, like,
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Speaker 2: let's use fear a little bit, because they did this
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Speaker 2: thing of, I'm Officer So-and-So. You received a federal jury summons.
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Speaker 1: From Wilson County Sheriff.
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Speaker 2: From Wilson County Sheriff, which is our county. They said,
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Speaker 2: it's a federal jury summons that you were supposed to
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Speaker 2: appear today. And I go, no. I go, I didn't
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Speaker 2: receive it. I go, I mean, immediately I felt bad.
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no, because I get a ton
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Speaker 2: of mail. And then I was like, did it just
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Speaker 2: fall through the cracks or whatever? And I didn't get it.
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Speaker 2: They go, you signed for this. And I go, well,
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Speaker 2: now I know it's not real. So you still weren't
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Speaker 2: real sure. Yeah, but I go, I didn't sign for anything.
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Speaker 2: So somebody either signed my name and it'll be cleared up.
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Speaker 2: In other words, I don't feel afraid for my life
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Speaker 2: now that I've violated a federal jury summons.
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Speaker 1: I go, well, this is a mistake. Well, do you
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Speaker 1: live at this? They had my address. I go, yeah.
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Speaker 1: They go, well, you signed. I go, no, I didn't.
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Speaker 2: And then immediately I start thinking, is this a scam?
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Speaker 2: I go, what are you? You go, ask him his name.
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Speaker 2: You were off to the side.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know who they were up against.
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Speaker 2: John was being my Cyrano de Bergerac. He was like,
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Speaker 2: ask his name. And so I guess if you were
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Speaker 2: Cyrano de Bergerac, you'd be trying to make him fall
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Speaker 2: in love with me.
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Speaker 1: So that's a different thing.
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Speaker 2: Read this poem to him. That's not the same. That's
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Speaker 2: not right.
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Speaker 1: It's a federal jury summit.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, we went round and round and then I kind
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Speaker 2: of got the idea.
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Speaker 1: It was a scam.
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Speaker 2: And I said, this feels like a scam. And I go, why,
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Speaker 2: why does it, why did it say no caller ID
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Speaker 2: when you called? And then he starts doing it. Well,
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Speaker 2: we have to protect, we have a system we have
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Speaker 2: to protect. Then I put him on speaker so you
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Speaker 2: could hear what was going on. And then he said, um, Well, look,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to transfer you to so-and-so, and there's a fine,
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Speaker 2: and there's a whatever, and then you'll be– basically, you'll
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Speaker 2: be resummoned to reappear or something.
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Speaker 1: And if you violate that, yada, yada, yada. And I go, oh.
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Speaker 2: And I go, well, this feels like a scam. And
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Speaker 2: then he kept saying, no, we're recording this on a
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Speaker 2: recorded line.
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Speaker 1: And I go, I don't care.
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Speaker 2: I said, this feels– so I hung up. Then he
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Speaker 2: calls right back.
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Speaker 1: It's no call. Didn't he say, well, if you think
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Speaker 1: it's a scam, you can hang up, and the officers
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Speaker 1: will serve you a warrant. Right, right, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I go, fine. So I hung up,
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Speaker 2: and then he calls right back, and he goes, do
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Speaker 2: you think this is a game or something? He kind
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Speaker 2: of gave me a little bit of a think. And
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Speaker 2: I said, I think this is a scam.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a game, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I said, who is your supervisor? Because
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Speaker 2: you asked me to ask him that question. John being
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Speaker 2: Cyrano again. I go, who is your supervisor? John's my Karen,
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Speaker 2: you know, hanging around the corner. And he goes, my
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Speaker 2: supervisor is Jeff Pembroke or whatever. And I go, Pembroke, okay.
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Speaker 2: And then you're typing as I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: If it ain't Pembroke, don't fix it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you're typing this all in. That does
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Speaker 2: sound like a cop name, though.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm Sergeant Jeff. Well, actually, what I started doing
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Speaker 1: was is looking up the actual Wilson County Sheriff's Department
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Speaker 1: to see and get them on the line. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, we hung up again at some point. Oh,
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Speaker 2: he did say also he goes, well, I go. So
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Speaker 2: this was a federal. He goes, yes, it was a
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Speaker 2: federal trial for a juvenile who is accused of murder.
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Speaker 1: This is a murder trial. And I go, OK.
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Speaker 2: And immediately I thought, OK, well, I don't even know
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Speaker 2: if he would know that. And you wouldn't tell somebody
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Speaker 2: who just skated on jury duty. Hey, you were supposed
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Speaker 2: to be here for this murder trial.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Like you don't know. They don't give you that information
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Speaker 2: until you get selected.
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Speaker 1: Right. I don't know. I don't know. I've never had
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Speaker 1: jury duty.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, we hung up again and he's not called back.
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Speaker 2: But I really hope it was a scam because otherwise
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Speaker 2: I've hung up on the police department twice.
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Speaker 1: Well, but then you call you called the sheriff's department. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Confirm that there's no one by those names. Oh, I see.
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Speaker 1: And that it's a scam. Yeah. And that they don't call.
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Speaker 1: if you missed your jury duty uh summons what would
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Speaker 1: they do to tell i guess they would do they
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Speaker 1: probably come serve something at your house or whatever yeah
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Speaker 1: and then they said tell all your friends it's a
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Speaker 1: scam and this is.
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Speaker 2: A public service that we're offering today if you get
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Speaker 2: a call and they say you've missed jury duty and
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Speaker 2: you signed this saying you would be here and you're
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Speaker 2: not here They are trying to make you pay a
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Speaker 2: fine or something over the phone, and you're going to–
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Speaker 2: don't do it.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. They didn't know who they were up
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Speaker 1: against today and the power of our bully pulpit. John,
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Speaker 1: if you hadn't been here, I would have just said,
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Speaker 1: here's my wallet. They had you rattled, and so I
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Speaker 1: was like, hey.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was just confused. And you go, that's what
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Speaker 2: they play on is like my idea of like authority.
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Speaker 2: An authority person just called me and said I broke
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Speaker 2: a rule.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have been rattled too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they go, you didn't follow the rules.
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Speaker 1: You go, no, I love rules.
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Speaker 2: You know, like I'll follow.
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Speaker 1: What do I got to do to make this right?
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Speaker 2: Like you immediately want to, I'm a people pleaser.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But then my cynic does kick in and I go,
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Speaker 2: this feels like what a scammer would say. But you
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Speaker 2: helped me, John, today. Well, again.
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Speaker 1: That's not the first time I've helped you in the
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Speaker 1: last few weeks.
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Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, you called me. this is a bad
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Speaker 1: day for you. Yeah. Like you're heading out, you and
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Speaker 1: career have five minutes to leave for the airport. Right.
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Speaker 1: And you're like, dude, we.
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Speaker 2: Were at the airport when I called you, but I
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Speaker 2: was like, I have left a mess.
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Speaker 1: The craziest thing. Yeah. You were like, okay, I walked
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Speaker 1: out of my garage and I have this, what was
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Speaker 1: a garden cart or something?
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Speaker 2: Like a garden cart, like a wheelbarrow basically. It's a
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Speaker 2: plastic garden cart and it is full to the brim
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Speaker 2: with water. There's a little bit of water on the ground.
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Speaker 1: Just a little bit.
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Speaker 2: There's no water on the walls, no water on the ceiling.
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Speaker 2: Just this thing was full of water. The only closest
12:43
Speaker 2: water source would be my water heater, which is like
12:44
Speaker 2: three feet away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I go, okay. What happened?
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Speaker 2: And it's dripping a little bit from like the... It
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Speaker 2: looks like condensation coming off of something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not.
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Speaker 2: But it's not arcing water. It's not still spraying, actively
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Speaker 2: spraying water. And I go, what is going on? And
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Speaker 2: we had to leave.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm leaving for tour. And I go.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to shut the main off.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Just thinking like, this will help keep this from exploding
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Speaker 2: while I'm gone.
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Speaker 1: This is a very midlife story, by the way. It is.
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Speaker 2: This feels like I'm very, it's a very old story. First,
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Speaker 2: I'm getting scammed by people.
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Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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Speaker 2: I'm getting fished or whatever. And now I'm telling a
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Speaker 2: great water heater story.
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Speaker 1: A rivet.
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Speaker 2: Please don't drive your car into a guardrail. If you're
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Speaker 2: listening to this, I apologize. But it was a mystery
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Speaker 2: because it's like the whole like, you know, those old
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Speaker 2: stories you'd hear. Like a man's hanging in these, you know,
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Speaker 2: there's just a puddle of water. And you go, oh,
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Speaker 2: he was stabbed with an icicle or whatever.
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Speaker 1: That's how I felt. I think he was standing on
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Speaker 1: an ice block. Maybe.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, all I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: He was hanging and stabbed?
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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, no, you feel like, you find a guy,
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Speaker 2: he's dead, and all you see is a puddle of water.
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Speaker 1: Like, how did he die? He was stabbed with an ice.
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Speaker 2: He was stabbed with an icicle. That's the mystery. But
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Speaker 2: I didn't have time to do the, you know, detective
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Speaker 2: monk and spend half a day in my garage, you know,
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Speaker 2: figuring out why the water was there. I had to
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Speaker 2: go to catch a plane. So I left, and I
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Speaker 2: was just like, I'll figure it out when we get home.
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Speaker 2: But I'm still like... ruminating over it. And then I
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Speaker 2: realized I've left the water heater boiler on like the
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Speaker 2: burner and that's probably not safe. So I called you
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Speaker 2: and said, Hey, this is what's going on. Will you
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Speaker 2: at least go, please turn my burner off. Will you
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Speaker 2: go over and you start doing your, your detective monk.
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Speaker 2: You're looking at, but by then I've moved the car
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Speaker 2: and I've dumped the water out. So you didn't have
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Speaker 2: the full scene, right? I've moved things around.
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Speaker 1: You didn't get to see, you didn't mess with the
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Speaker 1: crime scene.
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Speaker 2: You didn't get, you didn't get to do your real, like,
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Speaker 2: you know, right.
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Speaker 1: Forensic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: Assessment of the scene. So I was like, whatever.
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Speaker 1: But you did.
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Speaker 2: You saved me because you said, I've got a plumber.
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Speaker 1: He'll whatever.
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Speaker 2: And we caught him on a good day. And he
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Speaker 2: came out while I was gone.
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Speaker 1: Best guy ever.
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Speaker 2: And he fixed it all. He goes, this was your
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Speaker 2: expansion tank. You have too much pressure coming into the house.
14:45
Speaker 2: So your pressure gauge failed. And your expansion tank, which
14:50
Speaker 2: is kind of built to make the water heater not explode, evidently.
14:53
Speaker 2: It's like a little fail safe.
14:56
Speaker 1: It ruptured.
14:57
Speaker 2: And the water inside it arced for like however long.
15:01
Speaker 1: Into the cart. Like a fountain, I guess. Yeah.
15:04
Speaker 2: Into that cart, caught all the water, and then I
15:07
Speaker 2: don't know how it shut off because it did. We
15:09
Speaker 2: had hot water that morning.
15:10
Speaker 1: It's a plumbing mystery. It really is. Well, and I
15:13
Speaker 1: was on the phone with him while he was assessing. Yeah.
15:15
Speaker 1: He was like, why is there dust coming out of
15:17
Speaker 1: the ceiling? I was like, oh, wait, got it. And
15:19
Speaker 1: it wasn't dust. It was mist coming out of that crack. Oh, right. Right.
15:22
Speaker 1: And he was like, I see what happened. And I
15:24
Speaker 1: was like, wow. But why did my cart catch all
15:26
Speaker 1: the water? It was wild.
15:26
Speaker 2: So my basement didn't flood.
15:28
Speaker 1: Isn't that just like our lives?
15:29
Speaker 2: Some of y'all are out here and you need to
15:31
Speaker 2: be the cart that catches the arcing problems of your.
15:35
Speaker 1: Some of y'all think it's dust, but it's just water, man. Yeah.
15:37
Speaker 2: Some of y'all need to build an expansion tank because
15:40
Speaker 2: what you're doing is without that, you're not protecting your
15:42
Speaker 2: life from what the real damage could be.
15:45
Speaker 1: Oh, come on now.
15:46
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit's that expansion tank.
15:48
Speaker 1: I don't know. You had me till. I know.
15:50
Speaker 2: Uh but anyway he comes out he goes i see
15:53
Speaker 2: him because i can tell when my garage door is
15:54
Speaker 2: opening and closing so i'm like watching again this is
15:56
Speaker 2: a very old person we're like monitoring it and i'm
15:59
Speaker 2: like he's there and i look in the driveway i
16:00
Speaker 2: see this truck i don't know and i'm like man
16:02
Speaker 2: this is such an interesting level of trust because like
16:04
Speaker 2: he's in my he could he has access to my
16:05
Speaker 2: stuff yeah he has a look then i see him
16:08
Speaker 2: leave again and then you text me you go he's
16:10
Speaker 2: going to get parts i go okay and again i'm
16:14
Speaker 2: just like all right whatever whatever it costs he comes
16:16
Speaker 2: back And then he didn't even text me for a
16:18
Speaker 2: long time. I was like– and he goes, John, you go,
16:20
Speaker 2: it's fixed.
16:22
Speaker 1: I go, what?
16:23
Speaker 2: And then the guy– I go, tell the guy I
16:25
Speaker 2: want to get– I'll pay him. Send me an invoice.
16:28
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to get a freebie because he's your
16:30
Speaker 2: buddy or whatever.
16:32
Speaker 1: So he did.
16:32
Speaker 2: He charged me quite a bit. No, it was actually
16:35
Speaker 2: very fair. It was like more than fair. For his
16:37
Speaker 2: time and energy, it was unbelievable. Yes. I got to
16:40
Speaker 2: figure out, like you told me, you need to get
16:41
Speaker 2: him tickets to it. I'm like, all right, how about
16:43
Speaker 2: tickets to my show?
16:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, your show.
16:45
Speaker 2: No, that's not what you said, though. You were like,
16:46
Speaker 2: you need to get him tickets to one of Nate's shows.
16:48
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
16:48
Speaker 2: Hey, I dabble in.
16:49
Speaker 1: Comedy, too, over here. I didn't know if it might
16:51
Speaker 1: feel pretentious for you to give someone tickets to your
16:53
Speaker 1: own show. It's like giving someone, you know what? Your
16:55
Speaker 1: reward is one of John Driver's books. You know what
16:57
Speaker 1: I'm saying? That's true. That's true. You're right. And my
16:59
Speaker 1: books are way better than your shows. Yeah. Nate's tickets
17:01
Speaker 1: are expensive, too. Forget that. You know what? I apologize,
17:05
Speaker 1: because when I said that, I thought. Yeah. That sounds
17:07
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to tell you, and it wasn't. I
17:09
Speaker 1: was trying to think you wouldn't want to give away
17:11
Speaker 1: your own because I know how you are. You'd be
17:13
Speaker 1: like it. Now, if you have a lineup of a
17:14
Speaker 1: bunch of people, that'd be fun.
17:17
Speaker 2: I'm going to be in a lineup if this scam
17:18
Speaker 2: wasn't a scam.
17:19
Speaker 1: By the way. Oh, my gosh.
17:23
Speaker 2: What if you were on him, and they're like, I'll
17:24
Speaker 2: connect you to Officer Pembroke right now.
17:26
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And he's like, yeah, we're on the line
17:27
Speaker 1: with your buddy.
17:28
Speaker 2: He's being pretty awesome.
17:31
Speaker 1: Well, I was kind of wondering. They're like, yeah, don't
17:33
Speaker 1: mess with him or whatever. Yeah, he's a man. That was, man.
17:37
Speaker 2: Okay, so anyway, all that said, the plumbing got fixed,
17:40
Speaker 2: and John saved me once again. You were a friend
17:43
Speaker 2: of all friends, although you didn't stay with him.
17:45
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I had to go to.
17:47
Speaker 2: You didn't hang out.
17:48
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I had to be in Murfreesboro at like four, so.
17:53
Speaker 1: Sorry it wasn't enough for you. So you chose your kid.
17:55
Speaker 1: I did. Over me. I did. I chose.
18:00
Speaker 2: My house could have been flooded, though.
18:01
Speaker 1: I went and checked. Okay. And then I knew everything
18:04
Speaker 1: was okay. I'm just glad our guy could come out
18:06
Speaker 1: because he really is the best. And I'm not going
18:08
Speaker 1: to promote him because I don't think he wants to
18:10
Speaker 1: do all this.
18:10
Speaker 2: Well, what if we give him a free, like, we
18:12
Speaker 2: plug his plumbing company on the show and that's like
18:15
Speaker 2: what we're doing, sponsor dollars.
18:16
Speaker 1: The amount of business he would get would overwhelm him
18:18
Speaker 1: so much. I'm not sure he's up for it. What
18:20
Speaker 1: is the company? I don't know the name of his company.
18:22
Speaker 1: I just know his name.
18:23
Speaker 2: He sent it.
18:24
Speaker 1: But you may not need to say it. That's what
18:25
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Oh, I see. He does a lot of
18:27
Speaker 1: other stuff. He doesn't want. I don't know if he
18:29
Speaker 1: wants this kind of.
18:29
Speaker 2: He doesn't want a bunch of people calling him for
18:31
Speaker 2: their plumbing emergencies.
18:32
Speaker 1: He does a lot of remodels and other things.
18:34
Speaker 2: He wants big money. He doesn't want every time somebody's
18:37
Speaker 2: expansion tank ruptures.
18:39
Speaker 1: That's just what he does for you. I got to
18:40
Speaker 1: come running.
18:40
Speaker 2: Because of your radio ad. Well, his name was Chris. Chris,
18:45
Speaker 2: if you're listening, thanks very much. Yeah.
18:49
Speaker 1: And you saved me.
18:50
Speaker 2: I feel like I want to do more.
18:52
Speaker 1: Can I tell you a funny story? Yeah. When I
18:54
Speaker 1: called him, he goes, were your ears just burning? I
18:57
Speaker 1: was like, uh, no. And so he was going to
19:00
Speaker 1: call me or send me a text later that day.
19:03
Speaker 2: Because you missed jury duty.
19:04
Speaker 1: Because I missed you. I couldn't believe it.
19:07
Speaker 2: I've got a summons here. It says you signed it.
19:09
Speaker 1: You owe me $ 400 now. And, He had taken his
19:13
Speaker 1: kids with a great conversation about his kids and screens
19:16
Speaker 1: and books. And he took, he started taking his kids
19:17
Speaker 1: to McKay's, which is the used bookstore. Great. And so, uh,
19:23
Speaker 1: he bought like 20 books. Yeah. He's just, you know,
19:26
Speaker 1: to go and he's looking through them and he comes
19:27
Speaker 1: across a book called not so black and white. Oh, right.
19:30
Speaker 1: By Reggie Dabbs and John Driver. He's like, what? He
19:32
Speaker 1: turns it over and my face is there.
19:34
Speaker 2: He's like, what woke nonsense is this? He threw it
19:37
Speaker 2: right in the garbage.
19:39
Speaker 1: He said.
19:39
Speaker 2: Did you ask what the price tag was on the book?
19:41
Speaker 1: No. You didn't ask? It had to be 99 cents
19:43
Speaker 1: or whatever. No, John.
19:44
Speaker 2: No, McKay's has some books that are whatever. It's not
19:47
Speaker 2: necessarily always bargain bin. It was discounted because it's McKay's thing.
19:51
Speaker 1: It's used. It's funny. I told him, I said, you know,
19:53
Speaker 1: you don't have to read the book. Like I was
19:55
Speaker 1: telling him, you don't have to read this. There's no like,
19:57
Speaker 1: I'm not going to follow up later.
19:58
Speaker 2: Hey. Hey, let's do a little, ask for like a report,
20:02
Speaker 2: do a book report. It was great. That's a great connection. Well,
20:07
Speaker 2: you did, you saved me. And it was one of
20:09
Speaker 2: those things where you just, you feel so ill at
20:11
Speaker 2: ease when you're leaving a problem, especially an undiagnosed, like
20:14
Speaker 2: what really happened problem. And so I felt, I don't know,
20:18
Speaker 2: it felt, it made me feel even better than the anti-anxiety.
20:21
Speaker 1: Medication that I had to take.
20:22
Speaker 2: I felt, I was watching, I feel like these medicines,
20:27
Speaker 2: by the way, were running out of names. Have you
20:29
Speaker 2: noticed the weird names now?
20:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
20:32
Speaker 2: I wrote a few of them down.
20:33
Speaker 1: Zelljans. That's real? Come on, dude. Zelljans. Really? Yeah. Skyrizzy.
20:40
Speaker 1: Come on. I've seen Skyrizzy on commercials.
20:42
Speaker 2: And they always have to have like, Control is everything
20:46
Speaker 2: to me.
20:46
Speaker 1: The dancing that's happening in it.
20:47
Speaker 2: It's a little pill with a big story to tell.
20:49
Speaker 2: You're like, well, okay, just stop it. It's for kidney failure.
20:52
Speaker 1: What are we?
20:53
Speaker 2: They're dancing. You're like, these people's kidneys are working great. Well, yeah,
20:57
Speaker 2: because they're on, you know, whatever. Trim fire or whatever.
21:00
Speaker 2: Trim fire is my favorite.
21:01
Speaker 1: The one where all the stuff falls off of them.
21:03
Speaker 2: I want so bad for them to do an ad
21:07
Speaker 2: where Alicia Keys is like, this pill is trim fire.
21:12
Speaker 2: Why is that not happening? No kidding.
21:16
Speaker 1: They asked her.
21:16
Speaker 2: They had to have asked her. Well, that's three sponsors
21:21
Speaker 2: we won't get now.
21:21
Speaker 1: No. Because we're making fun of Zell Jans. What's the one?
21:25
Speaker 2: Zell Jans sounds like a Superman villain.
21:27
Speaker 1: There's one. They've redone an old song, and it's perfect.
21:31
Speaker 1: What is it?
21:32
Speaker 2: Oh, it's, well, you know, Ozempic was.
21:33
Speaker 1: Ozempic.
21:34
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, oh, Ozempic. So catchy.
21:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what the. the royalty. Oh, I know.
21:40
Speaker 2: Interesting. I mean, they would, you know, if you know
21:43
Speaker 2: your drug, your song that was like a huge runaway
21:47
Speaker 2: hit in whatever decade that was, uh, is now going
21:50
Speaker 2: to be associated with this, whatever. At that point it
21:53
Speaker 2: was a diabetes medication, which now is being used for
21:56
Speaker 2: weight loss. But it's like, yeah, I would want a
21:59
Speaker 2: good payday for that.
22:01
Speaker 1: Probably.
22:01
Speaker 2: I'd be like, all right, now I'm going to be
22:02
Speaker 2: the Ozempic guy. I'm going to, But, I mean, if
22:06
Speaker 2: it was one of our old songs, I'd be like,
22:07
Speaker 2: what do you got? What's in your pocket?
22:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's make a deal. Speaking of, we had a
22:13
Speaker 1: friend with a– not only is he up for a Grammy. Yes.
22:16
Speaker 1: But his band, who we know the members of or
22:20
Speaker 1: former members of. You act like you're trying to be secretive.
22:22
Speaker 1: Just say the thing. His band, Loyals, had a song
22:25
Speaker 1: on one of the playoff games. I want to ask.
22:27
Speaker 2: Did you ever ask him, like, did he know that
22:28
Speaker 2: was going to happen? He acted so surprised by it.
22:30
Speaker 2: Can they do that?
22:31
Speaker 1: Yeah. They can sync. It's called television sync.
22:33
Speaker 2: So he already had, like, a sync license that would
22:35
Speaker 2: have understood the thing.
22:35
Speaker 1: If they decided to use it. And it's, like, probably
22:37
Speaker 1: in some big database, and they picked that song. I
22:39
Speaker 1: wonder if he'll get money, though. Sure. Do you think
22:41
Speaker 1: there's money coming? Yeah. Wow, that's good stuff. I don't
22:44
Speaker 1: know how much. Yeah. Hopefully a lot. Not nothing. That's
22:48
Speaker 1: the same guy, by the way. Yeah. Just so you
22:50
Speaker 1: guys can put this all together. Right. Who wrote the
22:53
Speaker 1: theme song for Talk About That.
22:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you hear our great theme, that's Dane Allen,
22:58
Speaker 2: who plays with Disciple, plays with Honor and Glory, and
23:01
Speaker 2: his band Loyals was featured on Sunday Night Football.
23:05
Speaker 1: And so in many ways, this is like a Michael
23:07
Speaker 1: Scott moment. Remember when Dwight has the big speech? Yeah. Like,
23:11
Speaker 1: Dwight captivated a thousand people in a room and think,
23:15
Speaker 1: I captivated the guy who captivated a thousand people. Exactly. Exactly.
23:19
Speaker 1: So some might say that it was our song, Johnny.
23:23
Speaker 1: I don't know how.
23:25
Speaker 2: And what would Dane be without our instruction in his
23:28
Speaker 2: young life?
23:29
Speaker 1: Would he have gone on.
23:30
Speaker 2: To be what he is now? Probably. Probably be a
23:34
Speaker 2: little less anxious.
23:35
Speaker 1: I did show him his first guitar chord when he
23:37
Speaker 1: was 12. I don't want to be... A week he
23:41
Speaker 1: was better than me. In a week.
23:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was already... And he could sing. I don't
23:45
Speaker 2: want to be this guy, but Dane... he's playing a
23:49
Speaker 2: guitar on tour that I gave him.
23:51
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yeah.
23:53
Speaker 2: Like I gave him the Blue Ridge guitar that he plays.
23:55
Speaker 2: Cause I was given on tour. I was on tour
23:57
Speaker 2: with Tim and he started letting me play one of
23:59
Speaker 2: his McPherson's, which is like a $ 10, 000 guitar that I
24:01
Speaker 2: would never ever play or afford. And I was like,
24:03
Speaker 2: look at me McPherson. So I had my Blue Ridge
24:06
Speaker 2: and I was like, I felt immediately like I need
24:08
Speaker 2: to give this today.
24:09
Speaker 1: Cause he was playing.
24:09
Speaker 2: Worship at the church. So I gave him the Blue Ridge.
24:13
Speaker 2: And then Tim came back to me like a year
24:15
Speaker 2: and a half later and was like, Hey, I need
24:16
Speaker 2: that Blue Ridge or I need that McPherson back. And
24:18
Speaker 2: I was just like, Oh, this wasn't for keepsies? And
24:22
Speaker 2: then so I was like, well, now do I go
24:23
Speaker 2: to Dane and be.
24:24
Speaker 1: Like, hey, we'll need that Blue Ridge back. Gives these backsies.
24:28
Speaker 2: And so instead I went and got a Martin, which
24:31
Speaker 2: became like my favorite guitar. So no harm, no foul.
24:36
Speaker 2: But Dane is still playing that Blue Ridge and too
24:39
Speaker 2: much acclaim.
24:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you could say that it wouldn't matter
24:44
Speaker 1: what the guitar was.
24:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
24:45
Speaker 1: But I say.
24:45
Speaker 2: No, there's no way he would be doing what he's
24:47
Speaker 2: doing if I had not. No.
24:49
Speaker 1: A regular guitar? I don't even want credit. I would
24:52
Speaker 1: never even mention it. This isn't something we would even
24:54
Speaker 1: say out loud.
24:55
Speaker 2: No.
24:56
Speaker 1: No. Because.
24:57
Speaker 2: Saying it on this show is almost not saying it
24:59
Speaker 2: out loud. Wouldn't you say?
25:02
Speaker 1: It's going....
25:04
Speaker 2: You know what? Our downloads are up and our uploads
25:06
Speaker 2: are down.
25:07
Speaker 1: Come on now.
25:08
Speaker 2: I want that for each. We do appreciate our new listeners, John.
25:11
Speaker 2: How would you become a patron of the show?
25:14
Speaker 1: You go to talkaboutthatpodcast.com.
25:16
Speaker 2: That's how you get ad-free content. If you click on
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25:19
Speaker 2: We love our supporters.
25:20
Speaker 1: Thanks so much.
25:21
Speaker 2: We need to do more for you guys, but we
25:23
Speaker 2: want to say a special thank you. You didn't save
25:26
Speaker 2: us from plumbing disasters.
25:27
Speaker 1: No.
25:28
Speaker 2: But you also didn't scam us and say that we
25:30
Speaker 2: have jury duty.
25:30
Speaker 1: You didn't give us a guitar. No. You know what
25:32
Speaker 1: I'm saying? But that's okay. We didn't win any Grammys.
25:34
Speaker 2: We don't need a guitar. We have guitars.
25:37
Speaker 1: We have them already.
25:38
Speaker 2: We have everything we possibly could need, except for maybe
25:41
Speaker 2: more supporters. So spread the word that, A, there's a
25:45
Speaker 2: jury duty scam.
25:46
Speaker 1: Don't fall for it.
25:46
Speaker 2: Don't do it. B, support the show at TalkAboutThatPodcast.com. Over
25:50
Speaker 2: 300 archived episodes as well. John, it's time for your segment.
25:53
Speaker 1: I think it's time.
25:54
Speaker 2: It's way past time. John's quote of the week, we
25:58
Speaker 2: call it, They Talk About That. I'll just hijack your intro.
26:05
Speaker 1: I like that. Carl Jung. Spell J-U-M-G.
26:18
Speaker 2: Jung.
26:19
Speaker 1: He was Swiss.
26:22
Speaker 2: Isn't that the different philosophies of modern psychotherapy? You're Jungian
26:28
Speaker 2: or you are Freudian.
26:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:29
Speaker 2: That's kind of where it goes, right?
26:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're kind of.
26:32
Speaker 2: uh, I think contemporaries, do I blame my mother or
26:35
Speaker 2: do I blame myself?
26:36
Speaker 1: Or what is that? What's Jungian? Okay. Anyway, the quote
26:39
Speaker 1: will tell me probably all I need to know.
26:40
Speaker 2: Okay.
26:41
Speaker 1: Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your
26:45
Speaker 1: life and you will call it fate. Oh, wow. That's
26:48
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah. So, yeah.
26:49
Speaker 2: So he's the big deal about like your conscious, like
26:52
Speaker 2: the things you're consciously doing and unconsciously doing, like are
26:54
Speaker 2: determining the course of your life and you got to
26:57
Speaker 2: unlock that stuff.
26:57
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think self-awareness is one of those, um, It's
27:02
Speaker 1: a double-edged sword, right? Because you can become so, what
27:05
Speaker 1: do they call it, introspective, navel-gazing, right? You spend your
27:08
Speaker 1: time staring at things. It's like crippling. Right. But at
27:11
Speaker 1: the same time, and I believe it was Calvin, John Calvin,
27:18
Speaker 1: who basically said, without knowledge of self, there is no
27:21
Speaker 1: knowledge of God. Yeah. But without knowledge of God, there
27:23
Speaker 1: is no knowledge of self. Yeah. And so, like, this
27:26
Speaker 1: idea of self-awareness within the sphere of faith gives you this,
27:31
Speaker 1: and I even talk about this, it gives you something
27:34
Speaker 1: to do with this idea, to me at least. I
27:36
Speaker 1: always talk about self-control being one of the fruits of
27:40
Speaker 1: the Spirit. So like the Spirit giving you something, and
27:42
Speaker 1: one of the things He gives you is your ability
27:43
Speaker 1: to give yourself control. I mean, so it's an interesting
27:47
Speaker 1: idea to me about self-knowledge. You know, I see a therapist,
27:50
Speaker 1: I know if you've got your bingo card, all the
27:52
Speaker 1: stuff here, right? I see a therapist, I've studied the Enneagram,
27:55
Speaker 1: I've done 12-step recovery, all those things. And I told
27:58
Speaker 1: you even today at lunch, like none of those things...
28:01
Speaker 1: like fixed everything. Right.
28:03
Speaker 2: Right.
28:03
Speaker 1: There are moments where you feel like, wow, I've really
28:05
Speaker 1: made a step and there's always been, there's no bottom
28:09
Speaker 1: to self. There's no bottom like, well, okay, this is
28:11
Speaker 1: all done. But those tools to be able to be like, hey,
28:17
Speaker 1: do I know what I'm doing? One, forget the why.
28:20
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we don't even know what we're doing.
28:24
Speaker 2: People, people don't fall into a pattern or whatever.
28:26
Speaker 1: You don't recognize the things or how it's affecting. But
28:30
Speaker 1: to know then, why I am doing it. And one
28:33
Speaker 1: of the things that really speaks to me is internal
28:37
Speaker 1: family systems. And there's a great, there's a book I
28:40
Speaker 1: wrote with Jeff and Beth McCord called more than your number.
28:45
Speaker 1: And they apply internal family systems to the Enneagram where
28:49
Speaker 1: you develop your, your internal, your Enneagram internal profile that
28:53
Speaker 1: you can kind of understand that there's different types based
28:56
Speaker 1: upon your, your primary type. But this idea of, I
29:01
Speaker 1: have parts. I'm complex. I'm not just one thing. And
29:05
Speaker 1: that's really important when shame is a problem. Because I
29:08
Speaker 1: think what we want to do is we want to
29:09
Speaker 1: assume the problem is me. And that's not, I believe,
29:12
Speaker 1: what the kind of self-awareness is that's good. If you
29:16
Speaker 1: come away with, of course the problem is you, right?
29:18
Speaker 1: I mean, we understand I'm the common denominator of every
29:20
Speaker 1: problem in life. And from a grace perspective, I can
29:22
Speaker 1: say I'm the problem without falling into such a shame
29:26
Speaker 1: or such a crushing blow that I don't want to
29:28
Speaker 1: try anymore because what's the point? That's Christ's nose on
29:31
Speaker 1: the problem, paid for the problem. Now I'm restored and
29:34
Speaker 1: I can begin to deal with the problem without the
29:36
Speaker 1: shame of being a hundred percent paying the price for
29:39
Speaker 1: the problem. Um, I mean, that's the gospel in a nutshell,
29:43
Speaker 1: but the idea that I'm complex and that, that, that
29:46
Speaker 1: there are things within me happening related to circumstance that
29:50
Speaker 1: are related to experience, maybe related to, and this is
29:53
Speaker 1: a hard word, I would say little T trauma, right.
29:57
Speaker 1: Or big T trauma. Um, And I know everybody wants
30:00
Speaker 1: to call everything trauma now, and I know there's a
30:02
Speaker 1: little bit of backlash to all the therapy language that
30:04
Speaker 1: I think probably is well-deserved in places. Well, yeah, because some.
30:07
Speaker 2: People have just weaponized it for years, and so now
30:10
Speaker 2: it's like the pendulum's kind of going the other way.
30:12
Speaker 2: But I hope it doesn't keep people from seeking help
30:15
Speaker 2: that they need for true trauma.
30:17
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think good therapy and self-awareness leads
30:20
Speaker 1: you to want to change and it leads you to
30:24
Speaker 1: want to own the only things that you can. Right.
30:28
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the serenity prayer, right? I have to
30:30
Speaker 1: know what I can do and what I can not. Yeah.
30:33
Speaker 2: Well, and it's interesting too, that like, We who believe
30:37
Speaker 2: in that God created us and that we're so complex
30:41
Speaker 2: physically and, you know, when, you know, physiologists will say
30:48
Speaker 2: that there's so many millions of things going on inside
30:51
Speaker 2: one human cell or whatever. We go, oh, this is
30:54
Speaker 2: how intricate the system that God made. But when it
30:56
Speaker 2: comes to our minds, we tend to not think about
31:01
Speaker 2: that as complex. We want it to be simple. We
31:03
Speaker 2: just go, hey, suck it up. Yeah. hey, don't be
31:08
Speaker 2: somebody that just blames. Don't have a victim mentality. You go, no,
31:11
Speaker 2: I've experienced a lot of this and it feels like
31:13
Speaker 2: I can't get over this.
31:15
Speaker 1: Well, you're just, I don't know. I don't know if
31:17
Speaker 1: we can work with this.
31:18
Speaker 2: We don't allow for that same level of complexity when
31:21
Speaker 2: it comes to people's mental stuff. And so I think
31:24
Speaker 2: the church has got a ways to go with that
31:26
Speaker 2: stuff as far as wrapping our head around. No, people
31:30
Speaker 2: are super different in the way they approach life and
31:33
Speaker 2: the way that like you said, the way their family
31:37
Speaker 2: raised them, that can affect things. But just the way
31:39
Speaker 2: we look at the world, so different than each other.
31:41
Speaker 2: And we got to accept that and we got to
31:43
Speaker 2: make allowances for it as much as we can.
31:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think do the work. And I do
31:48
Speaker 1: like that expression. If you're, I think if, if those
31:51
Speaker 1: therapeutic things, if, if you're trying to make the unconscious conscious,
31:54
Speaker 1: then you will see it as a good kind of work.
31:57
Speaker 1: And I love the idea that I don't just want
31:59
Speaker 1: to act like the world's happening to me. The world
32:02
Speaker 1: is happening to me, but I'm also happening to the world.
32:06
Speaker 1: and I can't necessarily control how the world happens to me,
32:10
Speaker 1: but I can control some aspects of how I happen
32:14
Speaker 1: to the world, of how I show up to it.
32:18
Speaker 1: And when I, because I do, I think we all
32:20
Speaker 1: fall into victim mentality. There are those, listen, anybody who's crying,
32:24
Speaker 1: don't be a victim, like, you'll find something in their
32:28
Speaker 1: life where you could touch one little tiny button and
32:31
Speaker 1: they would cry, this is unjust or whatever. And so,
32:34
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody has that feeling somewhere, uh, whether they're
32:37
Speaker 1: aware of it again, to the point of Carl Jung,
32:39
Speaker 1: whether you're aware of it or not. But if, if
32:42
Speaker 1: that awareness leads me to say, okay, I, I want
32:45
Speaker 1: to show up differently. I want to think differently. And
32:48
Speaker 1: we'd said that a lot in not so black and white. Um,
32:51
Speaker 1: that we didn't really talk just about all the stuff
32:53
Speaker 1: that was happening with racism. We really talked about whether
32:56
Speaker 1: or not the gospel calls you to be willing to
32:59
Speaker 1: change the way that you think about things. And that's
33:03
Speaker 1: what the Bible says. Don't be conformed to the world,
33:06
Speaker 1: but be renewed in the spirit of your mind. And NLT,
33:11
Speaker 1: I think, says let God change you by transforming the
33:15
Speaker 1: way you think. I'm not quoting that word for you. Yeah, no,
33:17
Speaker 1: it's good.
33:18
Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting, too, that like John Calvin
33:20
Speaker 2: had a quote like that about knowing yourself, whereas it
33:23
Speaker 2: almost feels like we're through the looking glass today where
33:27
Speaker 2: if some preacher said that now, we'd be like, oh,
33:30
Speaker 2: here we go with this humanism. It's like, no, like C.S.
33:35
Speaker 1: Lewis. Oh, yeah.
33:36
Speaker 2: You know, all these guys were about like understanding yourself
33:41
Speaker 2: is a part of understanding the gospel. Like it's okay
33:44
Speaker 2: to look at ourselves. Self-care is okay, you guys. It's
33:48
Speaker 2: not wrong. I think there's an idea of self-preservation when
33:55
Speaker 2: it gets in the way of the gospel. Okay, I'll
33:57
Speaker 2: give you that. We're supposed to be philanthropic. We're supposed
33:59
Speaker 2: to lay down our lives. But this idea that I
34:02
Speaker 2: have to just fall on my sword every day, and
34:05
Speaker 2: this is what being a good soldier of the cross means.
34:08
Speaker 2: I just don't know that that's necessarily what we're called to.
34:11
Speaker 2: An unhealthy, toxic way.
34:13
Speaker 1: If you think about it, if a lot of the
34:15
Speaker 1: gospel narrative, right, we hear in the modern age, church
34:17
Speaker 1: narrative would be self-denial, right, is the key. Yeah. And
34:21
Speaker 1: I would argue, I would agree. And I would also
34:24
Speaker 1: argue the more of yourself that you actually understand and know,
34:28
Speaker 1: then you know when you're denying, the more you're able
34:30
Speaker 1: to deny. Like I'm able now to go, okay, I
34:33
Speaker 1: know why this triggers me and I'm still choosing a different,
34:36
Speaker 1: as opposed to, I don't know why this triggers, this
34:38
Speaker 1: just sucks and I'm just going to do it or
34:40
Speaker 1: not do it. Like the more that I know, the
34:42
Speaker 1: more I can direct those things. But if you don't
34:44
Speaker 1: really know yourself, then you're going to be limited in
34:47
Speaker 1: how much you can deny because you don't understand what
34:49
Speaker 1: you're denying. You'll still have reactive tendencies as opposed to
34:53
Speaker 1: proactive tendencies. You'll still be, you know, constantly, well, I
34:57
Speaker 1: hate to use the word, but you're a victim to
34:58
Speaker 1: what happens to you. And as opposed to going, okay,
35:01
Speaker 1: I know what's controlling, but now I have some empowerment here.
35:05
Speaker 1: And I think in the gospel, a humble empowerment, right?
35:09
Speaker 1: To know my limitations. To know your limitations is power. Yeah.
35:12
Speaker 2: Right?
35:14
Speaker 1: The best boxers are the ones. They're not always the strongest. Right.
35:18
Speaker 1: They know if I'm smaller, but I'm faster, I know
35:20
Speaker 1: my limitations. I'm not going to let this dude's right
35:22
Speaker 1: hook take me out. I'm going to know my limitations
35:26
Speaker 1: are giving me the power to stay in this fight
35:28
Speaker 1: because I'm aware of them.
35:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
35:32
Speaker 1: I think we did it. I think we fixed it.
35:34
Speaker 1: I thought we did it last time, but apparently there
35:36
Speaker 1: was more.
35:37
Speaker 2: All we need now is people who will lay down
35:39
Speaker 2: their lives in a civic duty that we call jury duty.
35:43
Speaker 1: It's time. Guys, don't.
35:45
Speaker 2: Listen, if you get a summons, first of all, if
35:49
Speaker 2: you sign it, please remember that you signed it. If
35:53
Speaker 2: you didn't sign it and you get a phone call,
35:57
Speaker 2: don't take that phone call. If you signed it, that
35:59
Speaker 2: means you mailed it back in.
36:01
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, when's the last time you signed something
36:02
Speaker 1: and mailed it off? It's been.
36:04
Speaker 2: It's been a minute. I guess it's been a couple
36:06
Speaker 2: months because that's what this guy said. He wouldn't... He's
36:08
Speaker 2: no reason to lie.
36:08
Speaker 1: That's one thing I said. Ask him what the date was.
36:10
Speaker 1: What's the date? You were yelling. Yeah, I know. I was.
36:12
Speaker 2: John was giving me all the... He was feeding me.
36:14
Speaker 1: I was mad, guys. You did not want to mess.
36:16
Speaker 2: You did not. You were my Johnny Cochran. I appreciate it.
36:19
Speaker 2: You were there for me in a big way. John,
36:21
Speaker 2: let's do my segments. First one's Johnny's old jokes. We
36:23
Speaker 2: call it Joke About That. John, a couple turned up
36:32
Speaker 2: at a fancy dress party.
36:33
Speaker 1: The man.
36:34
Speaker 2: giving the girl a piggyback. The man's face was painted
36:37
Speaker 2: green and he had a red mask over his eyes.
36:39
Speaker 2: So what have you come as?
36:40
Speaker 1: Asked the host.
36:41
Speaker 2: I'm one of the teenage mutant Ninja turtles, said the man.
36:43
Speaker 2: And what about her? Asked the host, indicating the girl.
36:46
Speaker 1: That's Michelle. That's Michelle. Okay. I'm sorry. I apologize for
36:54
Speaker 1: that one.
36:55
Speaker 2: Uh, an insurance salesman is fitting, visiting a remote farmstead.
36:59
Speaker 2: I love when people go to farmsteads in jokes, you know,
37:01
Speaker 2: there's always the farmer's daughter trope. There's, You meet an
37:04
Speaker 2: old farmer. He's working on a truck. He teaches you
37:06
Speaker 2: something about life. The city slickers always kind of best
37:08
Speaker 2: it in a way. So a lot of good street
37:11
Speaker 2: jokes and old jokes start in a farmstead. An insured
37:14
Speaker 2: salesman's visiting a remote farmstead, John. He parks at the
37:16
Speaker 2: foot of the driveway and walks up to the house
37:18
Speaker 2: to find an old Labrador lying on the porch. As
37:19
Speaker 2: he tries to step over it, it speaks. Watch where
37:22
Speaker 2: you're stepping, buddy. The salesman almost faints with shock. You
37:25
Speaker 2: can talk? Yeah, sure, says the dog. I've made a
37:27
Speaker 2: pretty good career out of it. Intrigued, the salesman asks
37:29
Speaker 2: to hear more. Well, says the dog, it all began
37:31
Speaker 2: in 81... My owner found out about this gift I had.
37:34
Speaker 2: It turned me into a traveling sideshow. Of course, all
37:36
Speaker 2: I had to do was simple skits, a few words,
37:38
Speaker 2: a couple of jokes. It was pretty beneath me.
37:40
Speaker 1: But it paid well.
37:41
Speaker 2: Then I was spotted by some government types and got
37:43
Speaker 2: recruited by the CIA. They taught me to speak Russian,
37:46
Speaker 2: and I was infiltrated into the secret bases all over
37:48
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union. I mean, who's going to suspect a dog, right?
37:52
Speaker 2: I was the most effective source of intelligence throughout the Union.
37:57
Speaker 2: The entire Cold War hinged on this. I can't tell
38:00
Speaker 2: you how many times I saved the world with my
38:04
Speaker 2: timely intel. After the Cold War ended, I got moved
38:07
Speaker 2: to the FBI, rooting out terrorist cells. Same gig, different
38:11
Speaker 2: bad guys. In the end, after becoming the FBI's most
38:13
Speaker 2: decorated agent, I was retired. I had my pick of
38:16
Speaker 2: the lady dogs as they tried to breed a successor
38:18
Speaker 2: with my gift, but I guess I'm just unique, so
38:20
Speaker 2: I ended up in retirement here, filling my days in
38:23
Speaker 2: comfort and peace. The salesman practically bursting at this. Just then,
38:28
Speaker 2: the farmer emerges from the farmhouse, How much do you
38:31
Speaker 2: want for this incredible dog, yells the salesman. I'll pay
38:33
Speaker 2: any price, the farmer spits. You can have him for nothing.
38:36
Speaker 2: The salesman's even more flabbergasted. How can you give away
38:38
Speaker 2: such an incredible animal, a talking dog with such an
38:41
Speaker 2: amazing story? The farmer laughs, because he's a dang liar.
38:44
Speaker 2: He ain't never did any of that stuff.
38:47
Speaker 1: That's a great joke.
38:50
Speaker 2: That's a great, yeah, that's a funny one. John, let's
38:54
Speaker 2: do my final segment. We always wrap it up with
38:56
Speaker 2: this week in history. We call it Talk About Then. John,
39:04
Speaker 2: this week in 1946, the Central Intelligence Group is established
39:11
Speaker 2: by U.S. President, John, 46?
39:14
Speaker 1: 46, Truman. Harry S.
39:16
Speaker 2: Truman. This was later replaced by the Central Intelligence Agency,
39:20
Speaker 2: the CIA. Two days later, though, Truman gave staff members
39:24
Speaker 2: black cloaks, black hats, and wooden daggers, calling them a
39:28
Speaker 2: cloak-and-dagger group of snoopers. So is that where we get
39:32
Speaker 2: the cloak and dagger? Or was he just being like,
39:33
Speaker 2: I know it's called cloak and dagger. I'm going to
39:35
Speaker 2: give you actual cloaks and daggers. Which came first?
39:36
Speaker 1: The cloak or the dagger. The cloak or the egg.
39:39
Speaker 2: John, this week, 1973, George Foreman won the title. He
39:45
Speaker 2: won his first heavyweight title match by stopping Joe Frazier
39:47
Speaker 2: with a second round knockout. I always think this is funny.
39:49
Speaker 2: And my buddy, Mike Goodwin, who's a comedian, does a
39:52
Speaker 2: bit about this, about how kids know people from our
39:56
Speaker 2: childhood for different things.
39:58
Speaker 1: Like if you go on to live in celebrity culture. Right.
40:02
Speaker 2: He'll talk about what a bad man Shaquille O'Neal was.
40:04
Speaker 2: Shaq was a bad man. You never want to mess
40:06
Speaker 2: with Shaq. And his kid will be like, the Papa
40:08
Speaker 2: John's guy you know so like George Foreman's one of
40:11
Speaker 2: those guys like one of the hardest punchers ever and
40:14
Speaker 2: yet he's known for the grill for the grill he's
40:16
Speaker 2: known for like standing there in an apron talking about
40:20
Speaker 2: how the fat drains right.
40:21
Speaker 1: Off burning Michael Scott's foot literally made.
40:23
Speaker 2: It out of the office yeah he burned Michael Scott's
40:25
Speaker 2: foot John, this week, 1977, the TV miniseries Roots began
40:30
Speaker 2: airing on ABC for eight consecutive nights. The story of
40:35
Speaker 2: Kunta Kinte, LeVar Burton, and his descendants. This is why
40:38
Speaker 2: I put it on the list. It drew 130 million
40:41
Speaker 2: viewers for its conclusion, making it the highest rated TV
40:44
Speaker 2: program up to that time. The series received 37 Primetime
40:47
Speaker 2: Emmy Award nominations. Winning nine, it is considered the first
40:51
Speaker 2: blockbuster miniseries. Miniseries were a big deal. Now, I guess
40:54
Speaker 2: you would just do a Netflix... you would call it
40:56
Speaker 2: a limited series or you'd have like a season. Right.
40:59
Speaker 2: But miniseries is like a tune in next week for
41:01
Speaker 2: the next, you know, little snippet of this. And you'd
41:03
Speaker 2: have to like, hold on.
41:05
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
41:06
Speaker 2: And 130 million. Can you, I just started thinking like,
41:09
Speaker 2: when is the last thing that 130 million people.
41:11
Speaker 1: Did at the same time? Like a Superbowl or something.
41:14
Speaker 2: Yeah. That would probably be it. And even then, I
41:16
Speaker 2: don't know if it's, is it 130 million for this?
41:18
Speaker 2: I don't know what Superbowl gets as far.
41:19
Speaker 1: As our rating, but I usually get, they give me reports,
41:22
Speaker 1: but I, you don't get them anymore. I'm sorry. The Nielsen.
41:25
Speaker 2: John, this week, 1983, speaking of TV, the TV show
41:29
Speaker 2: The A-Team debuted on NBC. The show was about four
41:32
Speaker 2: members of a fictitious United States Army Special Forces unit
41:36
Speaker 2: who were tried and convicted for a crime.
41:37
Speaker 1: Wait, they were fictitious?
41:39
Speaker 2: They had not committed. They escaped, like a avoiding jury duty.
41:44
Speaker 2: They escaped and began working as soldiers of fortune, which
41:48
Speaker 2: is illegal, while trying.
41:50
Speaker 1: We didn't do the thing.
41:51
Speaker 2: We're mercenaries now. We're mercenaries and do all these weird things.
41:54
Speaker 1: But they're always helping people. Well, that we know of.
41:57
Speaker 2: While still trying to clear their names and avoid capture
42:00
Speaker 2: by law enforcement and military authorities. The team consisted of
42:03
Speaker 2: John Hannibal Smith, Face Man, Dirk Benedict, who's the good-looking,
42:09
Speaker 2: slick guy. Howlin' Mad Murdoch, a crazy person.
42:14
Speaker 1: And the team's strong man, B.A.
42:16
Speaker 2: Baracus, Mr. T. This was, I don't know, this was
42:20
Speaker 2: a golden age of television. And maybe it's just because
42:21
Speaker 2: I was.
42:22
Speaker 1: A kid then.
42:23
Speaker 2: But it feels like you had something.
42:25
Speaker 1: The van would just jump. Mr. T driving the van.
42:30
Speaker 1: And they always would end up in a warehouse somewhere
42:33
Speaker 1: that happened to just have all this like welding equipment
42:36
Speaker 1: and stuff. And the guys are on their way to
42:38
Speaker 1: kill them, but it's a good thing we held up
42:40
Speaker 1: in this warehouse completely stocked with everything we need right
42:43
Speaker 1: now to make a tank or whatever.
42:45
Speaker 2: They play some inspirational music montage while they just build.
42:48
Speaker 2: It's basically Iron Man. Remember, the plot of Iron Man
42:51
Speaker 2: is basically an episode of the A-Team because he's trapped
42:53
Speaker 2: in a cave, but he's got all the stuff to
42:56
Speaker 2: fix his heart somehow.
42:58
Speaker 1: Guys, here's the thing. You can't fix your own heart. No.
43:01
Speaker 1: But you know what you can do? What's that? Weld
43:03
Speaker 1: a metal suit.
43:05
Speaker 2: Wait.
43:05
Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
43:06
Speaker 2: Some of y'all are in a cave right now.
43:08
Speaker 1: Some of y'all. Need to come out. Come out of
43:10
Speaker 1: the cave.
43:11
Speaker 2: Some of y'all are afraid to fly like B.A., but
43:14
Speaker 2: you need to not be afraid because what's going to
43:16
Speaker 2: happen is Hannibal's going to put drugs in your milk,
43:19
Speaker 2: and you're just going to be on.
43:20
Speaker 1: The plane with Jesus. That's not. Listen.
43:24
Speaker 2: I've gotten off my notes.
43:25
Speaker 1: God loves it when a plan comes together.
43:27
Speaker 2: He does.
43:28
Speaker 1: The plan he had for you. Oh, man, he does. Okay, John, finally.
43:31
Speaker 2: Born this week, 1920, Fred Morrison. inventor of the frisbee.
43:39
Speaker 1: Oh.
43:39
Speaker 2: He invented the frisbee in 1937, so he would have
43:44
Speaker 2: been 17. He got the idea when someone offered to
43:47
Speaker 2: buy the cake pan, he and his future wife were
43:49
Speaker 2: tossing back and forth at the beach.
43:52
Speaker 1: Huh.
43:53
Speaker 2: That's a great invention story.
43:54
Speaker 1: Yeah. You're just bored. First of all, you're at the ocean.
43:58
Speaker 2: You're like, ah, this is nothing.
44:00
Speaker 1: Throw this pie tin.
44:01
Speaker 2: Let's just throw a cake pan back and forth to
44:03
Speaker 2: each other like lunatics.
44:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.
44:06
Speaker 2: And then somebody offered to buy it. They're like, that
44:07
Speaker 2: looks like a lot of fun. He's like, actually, we've
44:09
Speaker 2: hit a lot of people in the head. We've caused
44:12
Speaker 2: many concussions. By the way, this is an interesting part
44:16
Speaker 2: of his story. He was also a prisoner of the
44:18
Speaker 2: infamous Stalag 13 in World War II. So this guy's
44:22
Speaker 2: a war hero.
44:23
Speaker 1: Interesting. This does take away my origin story, the Frisbee,
44:26
Speaker 1: which is from Back of the Future 3.
44:28
Speaker 2: Or is that what you thought?
44:30
Speaker 1: Or they're back in the 1880s. Yeah. Yeah. He throws
44:33
Speaker 1: the Frisbee and hits the guy in the hand right before.
44:35
Speaker 1: It was a pie tin. He picks it up. It's
44:37
Speaker 1: a Frisbee pie tin. He's like, Frisbee, huh? You know,
44:40
Speaker 1: one of those things.
44:41
Speaker 2: But it really was a pie tin from the original story.
44:42
Speaker 2: So I didn't like that.
44:44
Speaker 1: It just wasn't used to save Marty McFly. It wasn't
44:46
Speaker 1: Marty McFly. Or Doc. Doc. What's his last name? Doc's...
44:52
Speaker 1: I can't remember. What's his name? Johnny. I know. We
44:54
Speaker 1: stumped Johnny on a really major character.
44:56
Speaker 2: I know.
44:57
Speaker 1: Who's the actor? Christopher Lloyd. Okay. But I don't... Emmett. Emmett. Brown.
45:03
Speaker 2: Brown.
45:03
Speaker 1: Dr. Brown. Thank you. Our powers combined. We got there.
45:06
Speaker 1: I tell you what, why did I know the first name?
45:09
Speaker 1: That's okay.
45:09
Speaker 2: It's because in part three, he's Emmett because the Mary
45:12
Speaker 2: Steenburgen's character is in love with him. And she's like, Emmett.
45:14
Speaker 2: She's very, she's a very high pitched whiny.
45:17
Speaker 1: Well, timbre to her memory. She's in the elf and
45:20
Speaker 1: she sings at the end. Yes. And has that high pitched. Yeah.
45:23
Speaker 1: She's got, she knows my voice. She knows she can't
45:25
Speaker 1: sing and sing Santa Claus. She's a great character. Mary Steenburgen. Fantastic.
45:30
Speaker 2: And, uh, We don't have– she's not on the list today.
45:32
Speaker 2: It's not her birthday or anything.
45:33
Speaker 1: No, she's not a sponsor.
45:34
Speaker 2: We just want to recognize– not a sponsor. We just
45:36
Speaker 2: want to recognize her and say, you've missed jury duty.
45:40
Speaker 1: And please get– stop it. The Mesa County Sheriff is
45:43
Speaker 1: fastidiously flowing to your house right now in a line
45:46
Speaker 1: of cars, full emergency traffic. Yeah. Oh, well.
45:51
Speaker 2: Oh, well. By the way, somebody said this the other day.
45:54
Speaker 2: At the end of Back to the Future 1, when
45:56
Speaker 2: Doc Brown shows up and he's in the future car
45:58
Speaker 2: and he's in the weird goggles and all this stuff
45:59
Speaker 2: and he goes– It's not you, Marty.
46:01
Speaker 1: It's your kids. Something's got to be done about your kids. Right.
46:04
Speaker 2: Why couldn't he have just gone back further and fixed that?
46:07
Speaker 1: Right. You know what I'm saying? Well, he went back
46:10
Speaker 1: to the point he thought sent them. He says that.
46:13
Speaker 1: He explains that thing. He tried to pinpoint the moment
46:16
Speaker 1: he thinks it all went south. Yeah. But he could
46:17
Speaker 1: have gone a little further back where they weren't in
46:19
Speaker 1: such a hurry. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Right.
46:21
Speaker 1: We got to do it right now. Hurry. You got
46:22
Speaker 1: to do it before.
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Speaker 2: Just go back a day, two days before.
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Speaker 1: Right. Well, you know why he didn't do that? Why?
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Speaker 1: Because he didn't want Marty to be in the future
46:28
Speaker 1: for so long that he affected it. And he did.
46:32
Speaker 1: The longer he was there, that's what he said. See,
46:33
Speaker 1: it's all coming together. It's really well written.
46:35
Speaker 2: My favorite part about those movies, I can remember there's
46:37
Speaker 2: a conversation we were having at Back to the Future
46:38
Speaker 2: the other day because somebody had like a model of something.
46:42
Speaker 2: And I always love how he built these intricate models
46:44
Speaker 2: of like, I mean, everything's on it. The hook is
46:48
Speaker 2: on the car.
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Speaker 1: The car works. All of it.
46:50
Speaker 2: And he goes, I apologize for the crudity of this model.
46:52
Speaker 2: It's so funny. It's such a perfect model. It's such
46:55
Speaker 2: a funny, subtle Spielberg joke to make.
46:58
Speaker 1: I love it.
46:59
Speaker 2: Anyway.
47:00
Speaker 1: Those are classics.
47:00
Speaker 2: And if you haven't seen them.
47:02
Speaker 1: Wait, was that Spielberg?
47:03
Speaker 2: Spielberg produced Robert Zemeckis.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Zemeckis.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think Spielberg was involved in Back.
47:08
Speaker 1: To the Future. Was he not? He may be an
47:09
Speaker 1: executive producer. Maybe not.
47:11
Speaker 2: But it was a very 80s sensibility, that sense of
47:13
Speaker 2: humor that's in those jokes. That gag of like a
47:16
Speaker 2: scientist making a perfect model and saying, I apologize for
47:19
Speaker 2: the crudity.
47:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's perfect.
47:20
Speaker 2: It's got the wire, the perfect wire. He attaches jumper
47:23
Speaker 2: cables to it. It sends the perfect amount of electricity.
47:25
Speaker 1: It's funny. Every car is positioned on the street appropriately.
47:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just great. John, it's a good one, though.
47:31
Speaker 1: I don't know.
47:32
Speaker 2: Go see Back to the Future. Stop what you're doing.
47:35
Speaker 1: Drop it all.
47:36
Speaker 2: Go watch those three movies with your kids.
47:38
Speaker 1: I tried with my kid. She was younger. She didn't
47:41
Speaker 1: like Back to the Future? It didn't work. I think
47:44
Speaker 1: that the plot developments are so much slower in those
47:46
Speaker 1: movies than the kids are used to today. I don't
47:48
Speaker 1: like that, though. Well, I'm going to try maybe another time.
47:50
Speaker 1: I keep thinking.
47:53
Speaker 2: There's a piece of AI software. that'll make clips for
47:57
Speaker 2: our podcast. We're not, they're not a sponsor, so we're
47:59
Speaker 2: not going to promote it, but we started tinkering with it.
48:02
Speaker 2: And one of the things that we'll do, which a
48:04
Speaker 2: lot of clips that you see from podcasts, I've noticed
48:07
Speaker 2: it'll take the ums and the breaths and like what
48:09
Speaker 2: you would call useless, you know, you know, let's get
48:11
Speaker 2: to the point kind of a thing, which seems good.
48:14
Speaker 2: But I wonder if after 10 years of watching clips
48:16
Speaker 2: like that, if say these generations going to be like
48:20
Speaker 2: not able to have a conversation that doesn't just go
48:22
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48:25
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48:27
Speaker 1: The pausing.
48:30
Speaker 2: Smash cut a conversation, basically.
48:32
Speaker 1: You can't.
48:33
Speaker 2: You have no time for this.
48:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been hired to do a story production thing.
48:38
Speaker 1: I'm doing some video work. And that's one of the things.
48:41
Speaker 1: They were like, you could just read the script to
48:43
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48:45
Speaker 1: but there's so much more that may be communicated here.
48:49
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48:51
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48:52
Speaker 2: Have we lost our, that's a whole podcast for another day,
48:54
Speaker 2: is like, have we lost our, you know, patience with
48:58
Speaker 2: pausing for effect?
49:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
49:00
Speaker 2: Like if somebody's doing a talk and they go, and
49:03
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49:06
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49:09
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49:10
Speaker 1: I feel when I listen to the podcast sometimes, it
49:13
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49:16
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49:18
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49:21
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49:23
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49:26
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49:29
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49:32
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49:33
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49:36
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49:43
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49:44
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49:47
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49:52
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49:58
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49:59
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