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- 0:00Hello, good afternoon. We begin with breaking news from Buckingham Palace.
- 0:03The King will go ahead with a state visit to
- 0:06the United States next month. Have you ever looked to
- 0:10the news and thought to yourself, is this really the
- 0:13right time to be trying to sell things? Welcome to
- 0:16the Resilient Retail Game Plan. I'm Catherine Erdly and in
- 0:20the next few minutes, you're about to get powerful real
- 0:23world retail strategies from insights shared both from my guests and myself,
- 0:27backed up by my 25 years in the retail industry.
- 0:30Keep listening to learn how to grow a thriving, profitable product business.
- 0:34Let's jump in with this latest episode. I saw a
- 0:38post on social media recently from a small brand saying
- 0:41how hard it feels to sell right now.
- 0:44The world is feeling chaotic, everything feels uncertain, and they
- 0:46were wondering whether it was even appropriate to be trying to sell products.
- 0:50And the thing is, is that's not the first post
- 0:53of this kind that I've seen. I probably see, if
- 0:56not one a day, then at least a couple handful
- 0:59a week of people talking about this and talking about
- 1:02how they found it really hard to show up on social media,
- 1:05how they've been struggling in their small business to keep
- 1:08showing up and keep selling. And it reminds me of
- 1:11the meme that Vicky from the incredible card company Mean Mail,
- 1:14if you don't follow Mean Mail, then go check them out.
- 1:18She shares this meme every so often and it shows
- 1:21the world literally on fire. And then there's Will Ferrell saying,
- 1:24does anybody want any more cards? And sometimes she posts
- 1:27it with a blank and other people repost it with
- 1:30their own products in. But the thing is, is it's
- 1:32funny because it captures something that so many independent business owners feel.
- 1:36The world can feel like it's falling apart and meanwhile
- 1:39you're trying to sell candles, cards, jewelry or clothing.
- 1:42And the fact is that this can feel really uncomfortable.
- 1:45For many people who start product businesses, the idea of
- 1:48going out there and proactively selling is something that doesn't
- 1:51necessarily come naturally to us. So when we do put
- 1:55ourselves out there and maybe we don't get always the
- 1:58reaction that we want, or maybe we look around and
- 2:01all we see stories that make us feel like maybe
- 2:05this isn't the right time, it can feel really, really difficult and really,
- 2:09really uncomfortable. This is the only thing I would say though,
- 2:12about all of this, which is that this is a
- 2:16conversation I have had so many times with business owners over the years.
- 2:20And I started my business in 2018, in 2020, of course,
- 2:24we had the pandemic. This was something that people really grappled with.
- 2:28And if you were running your business back in 2020,
- 2:31then you may well really resonate with that, that people
- 2:34were being criticised for leaving their houses to going to the post box,
- 2:38for example, to keep posting things out to keep their business going.
- 2:42And it's something that comes up when the news cycle
- 2:46is particularly difficult or full on, which feels like most
- 2:49of the time these days.
- 2:51I've heard it during recessions and whenever people are feeling
- 2:54overwhelmed and people ask, is this really the time to be selling?
- 2:58Is this really the time? Is it appropriate for me
- 3:01to be getting out there and sharing about my business?
- 3:04Personally, I think that there's lots of different layers to this.
- 3:08I've often said that running your own business, it's a
- 3:11lot like a crash course in therapy. It makes you
- 3:15confront all kinds of different things about yourself. It makes
- 3:18you confront the way that you think about money. It
- 3:21makes you confront how you believe in yourself and your self worth.
- 3:25It can really be something that's quite challenging. And every
- 3:28time you put yourself out there and you don't see
- 3:32sales coming back in, it can make you feel like
- 3:35there's a judgment on you personally. And every time you
- 3:38go out there and you do see sales coming in
- 3:42and sales are going really well, then you might ask yourself,
- 3:45is this going to last? How long is this going to last for?
- 3:50And is it all going to end? So there's already
- 3:53a lot of noise, as it were, mental noise that
- 3:56goes on in people's heads when they're running their business.
- 4:00Because I honestly think that unless you've actually stood in
- 4:03front of people with your products in front of you
- 4:06and offered them to them and asked them if they want to buy,
- 4:10then you may not be aware of just how challenging
- 4:14and confronting that is to you as a person. So
- 4:17if you have friends who don't have their own business or family,
- 4:21they may not get it. They get the. It's almost
- 4:24like the existential angst of having to put yourself out there day in,
- 4:28day out. So I think that that is part of the issue.
- 4:32I think that also we're just exposed to so much information online.
- 4:36We get real time updates from around the world. And
- 4:39it means that whenever there are very difficult things happening,
- 4:43which is a lot of the time, then we're constantly in it.
- 4:47It can feel like there's no switch off and so
- 4:50it all lands on our screens and it's all something
- 4:53that we're then having to almost. It's like a hurdle
- 4:56that we have to overcome. Before we even get into
- 5:00the difficult part about showing up and selling our products,
- 5:03selling our business, which even without all of this noise going on,
- 5:07it can also feel really difficult. So it's easy if
- 5:10you think about it to look at all of this and say,
- 5:14isn't this frivolous? Isn't this just something that's not that important?
- 5:18Who cares about what I sell right now? Or even worse,
- 5:22is it wrong for me to be promoting my products
- 5:25when all this is going on? And if you've ever
- 5:28grappled with these thoughts, if any of this is resonating with you,
- 5:32if you're nodding along thinking yes, I definitely have had those thoughts,
- 5:36then I just want you to know that's completely normal.
- 5:39And I talk to a lot of people who go
- 5:43through the same thing. I talk to it with my
- 5:46one to one clients. I talk to it inside my group programs,
- 5:50inside the Resilient Retail Club. People bring this up all
- 5:53the time that they say that either they almost disengage
- 5:57and then they find it really hard to re-engage or
- 6:00they've been trying to keep engaged, but it's been a struggle.
- 6:04So it's completely natural. It's probably part of the business
- 6:07journey and it's also something that many, many people experience.
- 6:11However, the problem with all of this is that you,
- 6:15it can also become a self fulfilling prophecy and it
- 6:19can stop you from doing the thing that your business
- 6:23actually needs to do. And here's the thing that's worth remembering.
- 6:27While small business owners are sitting there wondering if they should wait,
- 6:32if they should pause or tone things down, the big businesses,
- 6:36they just keep going. They keep selling, they keep marketing,
- 6:40they keep launching products. Partly because they have a duty to their shareholders,
- 6:45partly because it's run by salaried employees and not people
- 6:49who are having to kind of grapple with these thoughts
- 6:53and these moral dilemmas individually, but also partly because they
- 6:57understand something very fundamental, which is that for a lot of people,
- 7:02the show must go on. People still live their lives.
- 7:06They still celebrate birthdays, they still buy gifts, they still decorate their homes,
- 7:11they still treat themselves. And if the big brands keep
- 7:15showing up while the independent brands step back, guess who
- 7:19the customer ends up going to? I can assure you
- 7:23100% that at any time of crisis, the big retailers,
- 7:27they are not thinking about whether or not they should be still advertising.
- 7:33They are thinking about what their next offer is, how
- 7:37to keep engaging a customer, even when the customer may be distracted.
- 7:42So I want you to remember that, that the big businesses,
- 7:46they just keep rolling and here's the irony of it all.
- 7:51Even though the big businesses, they don't trouble themselves with any of this,
- 7:56they keep going. The independent businesses are actually the ones,
- 8:01in my personal opinion, are the least detrimental form of
- 8:05selling that there is. If you think about why you
- 8:09started your business and you think about why the people
- 8:13that you know started their business. I've worked with hundreds of retailers,
- 8:18small businesses, e-commerce businesses over the last eight years that
- 8:22I've been running my own business.
- 8:25And I can tell you one thing. I very rarely
- 8:28or if ever almost meet people who started their small
- 8:32business because the only thing that they cared about was
- 8:36getting richer at the expense of other people. Now, there
- 8:40is nothing wrong with wanting to start your small business
- 8:43with the intention of getting rich. I completely am 100% behind that.
- 8:48If you're sitting here listening to this, I'm willing to
- 8:52bet that you and everybody that you know who runs
- 8:56a small business started it because you wanted to do something better.
- 9:00You wanted to reconnect with your creativity. You loved curating
- 9:04or creating products that you were really passionate about. You
- 9:08wanted to build something meaningful.
- 9:10You wanted to connect with your community. You care about your customers.
- 9:14People start small product businesses, open independent retailers, the vast,
- 9:17vast majority of people that I speak to, they want
- 9:20to do things a better way. They've seen a gap in the market,
- 9:25they've seen a lack in the way that things are currently done,
- 9:29and they really, really want to do things better. Almost the overwhelming majority,
- 9:33to the point where I can barely think of anyone
- 9:37who doesn't fit this mould. They start their business, and
- 9:40I'm sure you did too, because they wanted to leave
- 9:44the world as a better place than it currently is.
- 9:47So they care deeply about the way that they source their products.
- 9:51They care deeply about the people that make the products.
- 9:55They care deeply about their customers, how they send their products out.
- 9:59They spend hours agonizing over the sustainability of their packaging
- 10:03or the choices that they're making. So you are not
- 10:08the people who are the ones who should be wondering
- 10:12if what you're doing is right right now, because you
- 10:16are a force for good. I truly believe that small
- 10:20businesses are a force for good, that they help communities,
- 10:24that they help customers, that they help show that there's a kinder,
- 10:29better way of making the retail industry and that you
- 10:33really should be showing up and sharing what you do
- 10:37and what you have with the world. So if you've
- 10:41got a product that genuinely brings joy, is useful, or helps with connection,
- 10:46if you've got one of those products and it can help your customers,
- 10:52then you are almost duty bound to sell it. So
- 10:56if you've been sitting there thinking, should I be talking about this?
- 11:01Yes, 100% you should be talking about this. Are you
- 11:05thinking that everyone's going to be watching you talking about your business,
- 11:10thinking, this is really inappropriate given the state of the world?
- 11:14No, they are going to be delighted to see somebody who is ethical,
- 11:19who's considered, who has really thought about the products that
- 11:23they create or curate, putting them out into the world
- 11:27with connection and with joy.
- 11:30If you're listening to this and you're thinking, okay, all right,
- 11:33sort of believe you, maybe, but is anybody spending money?
- 11:36The answer is yes, absolutely people are spending money. In
- 11:39my talk last week in Retail Roar, I ran through
- 11:41some of the industry stats in terms of what's been going on,
- 11:45but essentially the headline news is that spending is broadly
- 11:48in line with the year before. So, yes, people are buying.
- 11:51And more importantly, there's a lot of research around something
- 11:54that is known as the lipstick effect or small luxuries.
- 11:57You may have heard about this already, but there's evidence
- 12:00to show that at times of economic downturn or great uncertainty,
- 12:03people don't stop buying completely. Instead, they often shift towards smaller treats,
- 12:06things that make them feel better, things that help them
- 12:09connect with people that they love. I saw this very
- 12:12clearly recently on Mother's Day. I went to Columbia Road
- 12:15Flower Market in London. It was absolutely heaving.
- 12:18If you've never been to Columbia Road Flower Market, it
- 12:21is quite literally what I would call my happy place.
- 12:25It is a road full of stalls full of flowers.
- 12:29They are only open from 10 till 3 on a Sunday.
- 12:34But surrounding this market there are some incredible, beautiful independent retailers.
- 12:38So it's an absolute haven of independent retail. And another favourite of mine,
- 12:43a really great market. And everywhere you looked, people were
- 12:47carrying huge bunches of flowers. People buying flowers for their mums,
- 12:51people buying flowers for themselves, people buying little gifts, people buying house plants.
- 12:57And it really struck me how important this is. These things aren't frivolous,
- 13:02they aren't meaningless. It's how we as humans show love
- 13:06to each other in many different ways. It's how we mark special moments.
- 13:11It's how we connect with each other. And if you'll listen to this,
- 13:16you're most likely an independent retailer or e-commerce business that
- 13:20a lot of your products will be bought as gifts,
- 13:24either self gifts or gifts for others. And gifting is important.
- 13:29You're providing those moments.
- 13:31You are providing that ability for people to reach out
- 13:34to people that they care about in their lives or
- 13:37to themselves and say, I love you. Here is something special.
- 13:41And you cannot underestimate the importance of that. If you sell children's goods,
- 13:45then you're being part of people wanting the best for their children.
- 13:50If you are selling jewelry, again, it's part of that gifting process.
- 13:54If you're selling fashion, it's how people express themselves. None
- 13:57of this is trivial and it can be easy to
- 14:00fall into the trap of thinking that, oh, I just
- 14:04sell candles or I just sell this, and is this
- 14:07really important right now? But the thing is, is you're
- 14:11doing so much more than that. You have built a business,
- 14:14you have built a community, you are doing things a
- 14:18better way than has been done for at least the last 60,
- 14:2270 years.
- 14:23And you are standing out and saying that this is
- 14:26what you believe in and that is really, really important.
- 14:29Now, having said all of that, I also completely understand
- 14:33how difficult it can be to show up online when
- 14:36the news cycle feels overwhelming. As I said, I'm not
- 14:40100% sure our nervous systems are really designed to take
- 14:43in this amount of content all at once. And I
- 14:47think it can be a lot. So here's a practical
- 14:50thing that I often suggest to people is make sure
- 14:54that you've got a personal account for your social media.
- 14:57It's a really good idea at any point anyway. But having that separation,
- 15:01having a business social media where you are only following
- 15:05accounts or interacting with people on themes, on accounts, on
- 15:08content that is really related to your business, that will
- 15:12help you have that separation.
- 15:14And then I'm not saying that you need to stick
- 15:17your head in the sand. I'm not saying that you
- 15:20need to ignore everything that's going on. But if you want to engage,
- 15:23follow the news, engage with what's going on, do that
- 15:26under your personal profile so that you have some kind of separation.
- 15:30Because what a lot of people describe to me is
- 15:33that they almost feel ambushed. Like they go into their
- 15:36social media and they just don't know what they're going
- 15:39to be faced with. Or they just, they get very
- 15:42much sucked in because it's something they're interested in, but
- 15:45then very quickly feel overwhelmed. But I think having your
- 15:48business account and your personal account can be really helpful.
- 15:51Because imagine this, if you were working in an office for a company,
- 15:55then they wouldn't expect you to be engaging with news
- 15:58or outside content unless that was, of course, your job during the day,
- 16:02they'd expect you to be focusing on your work and
- 16:05then looking at that in your personal time.
- 16:08And I think that because lots of us work from
- 16:11home or work for ourselves in a studio or a shop,
- 16:14then the lines can get blurred. So if you can
- 16:17create that boundary again and almost every time you open up the apps,
- 16:22ask yourself, am I going on here to consume as a personal person,
- 16:26or am I going on here to engage as a
- 16:29business and pick the right account and it can really
- 16:32help social media for your business feel a little bit
- 16:35calmer and a little bit less fraught. This is something
- 16:39that I myself did in my business. I realized that
- 16:42I was definitely getting distracted when I went on to my business Instagram,
- 16:46and I had to be very disciplined and unfollow all
- 16:49the people that I had been following, refollow them from my personal account,
- 16:53and get much more intentional. I did that around the
- 16:57beginning of the year and it has made a significant difference to me.
- 17:01I felt that I've been much more able to show
- 17:04up on social media, talk about what I need to
- 17:07do for the business rather than getting distracted and sucked
- 17:10into the things that I would be following on my personal account.
- 17:14And then obviously, when I want to look at my personal account,
- 17:18then that's completely separate. So if you've been feeling conflicted
- 17:21about selling right now, I just want to say this.
- 17:25Your work matters. The world needs you. The world needs what you do.
- 17:30Independent businesses bring creativity, connection and joy into people's lives.
- 17:34Selling something that genuinely improves someone's day is not trivial.
- 17:37Helping people express love and connection that they have for
- 17:41one another is not trivial. It's part of how communities function.
- 17:46So yes, the world can feel uncertain, but it doesn't
- 17:50mean you stop showing up.
- 17:52And in many ways it means that what you do matters even more.
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