Latest / Closing Sales in Nigeria - Sales For The Nigerian Business Person: The Sales and Marketing Blueprint / Solopreneur or Entrepreneur? What Really Matters (Plus: The Danger of Too Many Hats)
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- 0:01Hello and welcome to the show. I'm recording today's episode
- 0:04outside. I'm in the car, the parking lot
- 0:08at Grand Square, and I'm here with the kids because I'm
- 0:11supposed to meet someone in a few minutes.
- 0:14So I said let me just make a quick recording.
- 0:17So anyway, since you know, because of where I am expecting
- 0:19to have some interruptions. Now, this is your first time
- 0:21listening to the show. Don't worry, don't run away.
- 0:24The goal of this show is free business education and I'm sure
- 0:28you're going to get lots of value from it.
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- 0:38tackle. And if you have sales and
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- 0:51those of you who are not Nigerian.
- 0:54Now today on the show, I'm hoping I can tackle 2 questions
- 0:59quickly. OK, well, no questions anyway.
- 1:02Well, one of them is a question on solopreneurship.
- 1:06So I wanted to look at whether you are a solopreneur, whether I
- 1:10am a solopreneur, whether you are a solopreneur, what is
- 1:13entrepreneurship, all those sorts of things.
- 1:16And then everyone is that a bunch of you who reach out are
- 1:20still at the ideation stage. You have a bunch of possible
- 1:23ideas that you have for your businesses.
- 1:24You can't decide which is which. And so we're also going to have
- 1:27that conversation as well. So let me start off with the
- 1:31solopreneur thing, OK? Before this solopreneur thing,
- 1:34shout out to Rex on Spotify, OK? He mentioned some of the
- 1:39comments that he has ideas about AI, and so I put it there on the
- 1:45Spotify comments. Yeah.
- 1:47So Rex Samia, what's our message?
- 1:51I'd love to see what you're working on that is AI related,
- 1:54especially since I use AI every day on the course of my
- 1:57business, and I'm a strong believer that we all should be
- 1:59using AI tools to move our business forward.
- 2:03Then shout out also to Lao Lu or Lo.
- 2:07I like this kind of surname if I remember correctly, because my
- 2:12Yoruba is really crappy. Excuse me, my Yoruba is really
- 2:16crappy. I didn't spend much time in
- 2:18well, from about 13 lived in Lagos.
- 2:20Now from there went to OU. So I picked up some Yoruba.
- 2:23So or lower is like the, the person that has money.
- 2:26So that's the kind of name I like, but you have to be careful
- 2:29how you pronounce it because I think if you say or lower, it
- 2:31means the person that has money. But then if you say oh, lower,
- 2:34it means the person does not have money.
- 2:36So one of those interesting names, but I'm believing and I'm
- 2:40the queen that Laul Laulu is all low as we have plenty of money.
- 2:45So thank you for listening and commenting on the podcast.
- 2:49Laulu says this is the first Nigerian owned podcast that he
- 2:52has listened to and he wished he had discovered it sooner.
- 2:55And yes, my brother, I wish you had.
- 2:57Oh, Laulu can be a woman's name too.
- 2:59OK, well my brother or sister, I wish you had discovered the show
- 3:02sooner as well. And just as you have discovered
- 3:05it and you're getting value from it, please share with other
- 3:09people. Then Rex also asked the question
- 3:13that sorry Lao Lu answered the question that I think some of
- 3:16you might have Now Lao asked me where can I find how can he find
- 3:21or how can she find more AI related content that I have
- 3:25made? And yeah, so this is the answer.
- 3:29Searching within the podcast is quite difficult.
- 3:34So if you go to YouTube rather, because all my all the podcast
- 3:40episodes are there. So if you go to YouTube and you
- 3:42just search Tavi Shimmer podcast AI, every single episode I've
- 3:48made about AI is going to show up there in your YouTube feed.
- 3:51So again, if you want to see more of the stuff that I've done
- 3:54related to AI, go to YouTube and then type in Tavi Shimmer
- 3:58podcast, AI Tavi Shimmer. That's my name, TAVER SHIMA.
- 4:05And no, I'm not half Japanese, I'm not half German, I'm not
- 4:08half anything fool. Nigerian teeth.
- 4:11That's for those of you who have never heard that name before.
- 4:14OK, now straight to this whole thing of solopreneur because
- 4:18someone I think was Rex said he likes the stuff I'm putting out
- 4:22and he's following some of those principles so that you know, he
- 4:26can build his career as a solopreneur or he referred to me
- 4:28as a solopreneur. And so that reminded me about
- 4:32something I've been talking about on the podcast for a very
- 4:34long while. And I also want to re emphasize
- 4:37or bring up here again, because some of you are just new
- 4:39discovering the show. So you haven't come across some
- 4:42of these ideas. Now, whenever people say I'm a
- 4:47solopreneur, I'm a mom preneur, I'm a lawyer preneur, I'm a this
- 4:50preneur, I'm a that preneur, I am quick to step in because when
- 4:57we come up with these newfangled times, it comes up with all
- 5:00kinds of expectations. And at the end of the day, it
- 5:02leads to frustrations because if we're not clear about who we are
- 5:05and what we're doing, we're also not going to be very clear about
- 5:09what we can expect in return for the level of effort that we are
- 5:12putting in. And it can cause some confusion.
- 5:15That's why some people say kind entrepreneurship is hard.
- 5:19But then I look at them and I'm like, yeah, what you're doing is
- 5:22hard, but what you're doing is not entrepreneurship.
- 5:25So you're doing one thing, calling it something else and
- 5:29expecting some other kind of results when really what you're
- 5:32doing will never yield to the results of entrepreneurship
- 5:35because really you are not doing entrepreneurship.
- 5:39So we really need to be clear about all these terms.
- 5:41So that's the first question for today.
- 5:43Am IA solopreneur because some of you think I am or are you a
- 5:47solopreneur because some of you think you are?
- 5:50Now solopreneur just means how do I put it?
- 5:55When people say solopreneur, what they mean is an
- 5:56entrepreneur who is working alone.
- 5:59I repeat, when people say solopreneur in Niger by Azantran
- 6:04is they mean this person is an entrepreneur who is working
- 6:08alone. But is that even possible?
- 6:10Is there such a thing as an entrepreneur who works alone?
- 6:13So let's break it down a little bit.
- 6:15Now entrepreneur in the traditional meaning of the word
- 6:18I think is French. I can't remember.
- 6:20It's been a while, and it's a surprisingly old word.
- 6:23It's hundreds of years old. It's the popular time now.
- 6:26But this is a word that is hundreds of years old because,
- 6:28like I said, it's French. I should really go and check the
- 6:31the root word. But what it means in its
- 6:34original term is a person who assumes the risk of enterprise.
- 6:39I repeat, an entrepreneur is the person who assumes the risk of
- 6:43enterprise. That means the person who brings
- 6:46all the factions of production together and who tries to
- 6:50promote the business and get the business going.
- 6:53Remember, this is an old term and in the old times, we used to
- 6:56talk about factors of production.
- 6:57Now people don't talk about factors of production anymore.
- 7:00But you know, Nigerians listening to the show, you know,
- 7:03from secondary school, you remember now factors of
- 7:05production, land, labor, capital, material, blah, blah,
- 7:08blah, all those things. So the person who drops by, the
- 7:13person who brings money that is capital, that person is the
- 7:17entrepreneur. The person who fronts labour,
- 7:20that's paying the cost to pay the sales team, the developer,
- 7:23the this, the whatever, that's the entrepreneur.
- 7:26The person who fronts the money for materials and all those
- 7:30other things, that is the person who is an entrepreneur.
- 7:35So the person who is bringing together all these factors of
- 7:39production and bearing the list is the person who is an
- 7:42entrepreneur. Now I'm sure you realize that
- 7:45from the old definitions of the word entrepreneur, you can see
- 7:47that the entrepreneur is always oriented towards building
- 7:52sustainable systems that exist outside of him or her.
- 7:58I repeat, since the old meaning of the word entrepreneur is
- 8:01someone who is assuming the risk of capital, labor, materials,
- 8:06all these other things, the person usually is building
- 8:10something that is bigger than him or her or that is
- 8:13sustainable and will outlive him or her.
- 8:17Which is the reason why we can talk about Walt Disney as an
- 8:21entrepreneur. He was building something bigger
- 8:24than him, building something that was going to be sustainable
- 8:27and that would outlive him and maybe even his children's
- 8:31children at this rate. Because I think now it's the
- 8:33grandchildren who who are like majority shareholders.
- 8:41So we cannot talk about a solopreneur because there's no
- 8:44such thing as an entrepreneur who is working alone.
- 8:49Because by the very definition, the entrepreneur is building
- 8:54something that is bigger than himself or herself and is
- 8:58putting together sustainable systems that will outlive
- 9:01himself or herself, building something that is sustainable or
- 9:06building something that they can sell.
- 9:09So if you are a solo something like me, I'm doing consulting
- 9:15services, but I'm solo, or you're a wedding photographer
- 9:18about your solo, or you're an architect, but you are solo, or
- 9:23you're an accountant, but you're solo.
- 9:25My own opinion, stop calling yourself solopreneur because
- 9:28you'll be calling yourself solopreneur feeling like what
- 9:30you're doing is entrepreneurship.
- 9:31And then I'll be saying, hi, Entrepreneurship is hard.
- 9:34But meanwhile, you have not been doing intrapreneurship.
- 9:37You've not been trying to build sustainable systems around
- 9:39yourself. And of course, it will be hard
- 9:42because a solo thing, a solo person, solo lawyer, solo
- 9:45accountant, the problem is that your personal effort and
- 9:48attention is required every single day.
- 9:52I can't take a break. People who are entrepreneurs and
- 9:56who are building businesses, they can say, oh, you know what,
- 9:58life is hard. Let me go and flex more in
- 10:01America. You know two months I'll come
- 10:03back. I can't do that.
- 10:06If I take a break and I say let me go and flex more, what
- 10:08happens? Things will stop, things will
- 10:11grind to a halt. So if you are a solo person,
- 10:16just stick to the old terms. You are a self-employed person
- 10:20or in Nigeria as they used to tell us in primary school, you
- 10:22are a sole trader. I know it doesn't sound sexy but
- 10:25facts are facts. So I'm a sole trader or I'm
- 10:29self-employed. I'm not an entrepreneur.
- 10:32And that's also more UBC. Entrepreneurship is hard.
- 10:34And then you resign. No, you didn't even try
- 10:35entrepreneurship. Trying entrepreneurship as an
- 10:38architect means you're trying to build a firm.
- 10:42And then over time, excuse me, if you do it right, it will get
- 10:46easier because you build pool, you build marketing systems,
- 10:49sales systems, you, you build a team.
- 10:52And then these things will start running whether you're involved
- 10:56every day or not. And then eventually you'll be
- 10:58able to get to the point where you can say, ah, I'm tired, let
- 11:02me travel to Villa, let me go and rest for two weeks.
- 11:04Or let me travel to America, let me go and rest for two months.
- 11:08That is entrepreneurship. So a whole lot of us who are
- 11:11solo things, I know it doesn't sound sexy, doesn't sound cool,
- 11:15but let's stop trying to sexify ourselves.
- 11:20You're self-employed or you're a sole trader.
- 11:22Full stop. And off with the new fancy
- 11:25names. You know this will open nothing.
- 11:27Mom preneur this printer that preneur lawyer preneur beauty
- 11:31printer like what the hell? It's becoming too much.
- 11:36So if you're a solo person, you're self-employed or you're a
- 11:40sole trader. Hi, I'm self-employed.
- 11:42Hi, I'm a sole trader. The old times are fine.
- 11:45Even though sole trader you know sounds as if I sell or cricket
- 11:50under the bridge. But facts are facts.
- 11:54I am what I am. The goal eventually is that I am
- 11:58going to build a sustainable business.
- 12:00But until then, I'm not an entrepreneur yet.
- 12:04And if you're a solo person, a solo anything, a solo lawyer,
- 12:07you are not an entrepreneur yet. So as a baby lawyer, it's just
- 12:11you. After a while, you partner with
- 12:13three or four of your classmates.
- 12:14You will do for like 7 years, you know, start hiring.
- 12:16You know, people you know. Before you know it, you guys
- 12:19have a plan and a system for everything.
- 12:22Then you are now an entrepreneur.
- 12:24There's a business, there's somebody who there's a system
- 12:27that is in charge of marketing and promotions.
- 12:32You guys have figured out the most efficient way to do
- 12:34networking. Casework is assigned between
- 12:39senior lawyers and junior lawyers.
- 12:42You know, things are taking shape at that stage.
- 12:44You can now say, why don't tire, Let me go to the UK, let me go
- 12:47and rest for two months and the business will fall apart.
- 12:50Then you got an entrepreneur. So whether you are happy or not
- 12:59with what I've said, I guess what I'm trying to say is look
- 13:02just decide if you're a solo person.
- 13:05Now acknowledge yes I'm self-employed, I'm a sole
- 13:07trader. But then decide am I going to
- 13:10stay here and be solo all my life or I want to build
- 13:13something then just decide. But either way it's all good.
- 13:16I'm not saying entrepreneurship is better than sole
- 13:20proprietorship. Sole trader, self-employed.
- 13:23I'm not saying that better because, you know, it depends.
- 13:25Some people are just trying to build something.
- 13:27You know, there's some people who their goal is this thing
- 13:31works them. So I can gather millions and
- 13:33millions and millions. By the time the children finish
- 13:35with school and I have something for retirement, I'm OK.
- 13:38If that's your goal, school. Then there's some people who
- 13:41say, look, I must build this thing, it must be big.
- 13:43I must stand on a national scale and I must float on the Nigerian
- 13:46Stock Exchange. You know, if those are visions
- 13:48too, you know, it's all good, but let's just be clear about
- 13:52these things and let's talk. Come over all these fancy terms.
- 13:54No such thing as lawyer preneur. No such thing as solopreneur, No
- 13:59such thing as mom preneur. If we're trying to motivate
- 14:03ourselves, let's motivate, motivate ourselves some other
- 14:05ways. But it's not about the title.
- 14:07So again, these are the essential questions.
- 14:10You know, are you solo or are you trying to scale?
- 14:12If you're trying to scale the business, it means you're trying
- 14:14to come up with systems and you're trying to use multiple
- 14:16people. The whole idea is you're trying
- 14:17to leverage other people's effort and leverage systems to
- 14:23grow and to blow. So if you're trying to scale,
- 14:26you're an entrepreneur. That is the reason why we say
- 14:28Dangote is an entrepreneur, because the goal is to leverage
- 14:33systems, leverage other people's capital, leverage multiple
- 14:40people, the teams and the employees and all that.
- 14:43That's why we say Dangote is, is an entrepreneur.
- 14:47My client who I'm currently working with in Benin City, I
- 14:49can call him an entrepreneur because he's trying to leverage
- 14:52people. He has a team, He wants to
- 14:55leverage multiple locations. What else He's trying to
- 15:00establish systems in place. That's the reason why I'm
- 15:03working with him so that we can come up with the standard
- 15:05operation procedures for sales. So he is an entrepreneur.
- 15:09Boston Consulting Group, you can call them entrepreneurs, they're
- 15:12consultants. The same people, McKenzie, you
- 15:14can call them entrepreneurs because they're building global
- 15:17consulting practices. So the auger of BCG or the head
- 15:22of McKinsey and consulting, the senior partners, all of them can
- 15:24say let's go and rest in Switzerland for two months and
- 15:27the business will all die. Things will be fine.
- 15:30Jay-Z. We can say Jay-Z is an
- 15:31entrepreneur. Yes, he started off as a solo
- 15:33person doing music, but now he's not the clothing business, he's
- 15:38got the alcohol business. I think there's also perfume
- 15:41business and then what else? Then he's also doing venture
- 15:44capital so he can decide. He and Beyoncé can decide that
- 15:48they will go and ski in Switzerland for six months and
- 15:51the business will not die. Those people, you call them
- 15:53entrepreneurs. But me, I'm self-employed, sole
- 15:59proprietor, sole trader, Professor Peter Drucker, that I
- 16:03love and respect. The man himself, he's also, so
- 16:07while he was also self-employed, also trader, also proprietor
- 16:11because he was an academic and a consultant, but really he was a
- 16:15one man show. Michael Jackson.
- 16:17We can't really say Michael Jackson was an entrepreneur
- 16:21because Michael Jackson was solo with a music career.
- 16:24Now of course, Michael Jackson ended up making lots of money by
- 16:27buying other people's intellectual property.
- 16:29You know The Beatles, who else? The Beatles, I think Elvis
- 16:34Presley, you know, he bought most of their songs, acquired
- 16:37their IP, And so because of that, his estate was able to
- 16:41make money through that. But really, Michael Jackson was
- 16:44more or less a solo person, a sole trader.
- 16:48So we can't say Michael Jackson was an entrepreneur.
- 16:50You know, what about born a boy? Born a boy, you know, it's just
- 16:54him. He's alone, he's a soul,
- 16:55whatever. What about Davido?
- 16:57And Davido is different. We can't say Davido entrepreneur
- 17:00because yes, he started off solo with the music, but he has his
- 17:02alcohol business going on and I hear that he's also doing one or
- 17:05two things, you know, like real estate and or whatnot.
- 17:08So that's the way to think about it anyway, So I've overstressed
- 17:12this part. So let me just bring this to
- 17:13this part very close, especially since we've done 17 minutes now
- 17:16on this whole thing about people, this whole thing about
- 17:24hold on. OK, sorry about that.
- 17:28One of my kids was trying to get my attention and really I should
- 17:31be wrapping it up soon because the person I'm expecting is
- 17:33probably will be here in a few minutes.
- 17:36And so the thing I said about, you know, people have multiple
- 17:38ideas, you know, people running around saying I'm multi
- 17:40haphinite, multi, haphinite, multi, creative multi this,
- 17:43multi that, like you should be coming down, becoming down.
- 17:45It's too much. You can't make progress this
- 17:48way. I was having a chat with
- 17:49someone. How's your listener of the
- 17:51podcast? The guy had the stuff about the
- 17:53charcoal. He said, ah, charcoal.
- 17:54Yeah, it makes sense. You know he's interested, you
- 17:57are on UX, banking UPS, he's interested, websites he's
- 18:00interested, call support, he's interested.
- 18:02Also trying to find out what can you make good money at?
- 18:05Like it's too much. We are interested in loads of
- 18:09things. But The thing is you can't build
- 18:11any sustainable business. Whether you want to be an
- 18:13entrepreneur or whether you want to be a sole trader or sole
- 18:16proprietorship, you can't build anything solid.
- 18:18If your mind is scattered in five different directions, you
- 18:21have to pick one. It's either going to be Charcoal
- 18:24or you are on UX or website or call support.
- 18:28Call support is like when you open the call center, pick one.
- 18:31There's no way you can run all of those together.
- 18:34And I'm seeing this as a pattern because there's someone else who
- 18:36reached out to me and he's interested in being an author.
- 18:39So he has written a few things. Then he also has a skin and
- 18:42beauty thing that he's into that is going on.
- 18:45Then he also has this food thing on the side that he's selling.
- 18:49And then what else? Then he also was interested in
- 18:53some of the stuff that I said about AI, like it's too much,
- 18:55you're scattered. Pick one, pick one.
- 19:00Except if you're a highly disciplined human being who says
- 19:02on Monday I'm going to pay attention to Charcoal.
- 19:05On Tuesday, it's going to be exclusively you are UX.
- 19:08On Wednesday, it's going to be exclusively websites.
- 19:11On Thursday, exclusively call support.
- 19:13Like you can't make it work. It's too much.
- 19:16Pick one. Then some people now say oh what
- 19:20about Dangote? I'm like OK, perfect.
- 19:22Dangote is the perfect example. Dangote didn't start doing
- 19:24everything at once. He started by trading cement
- 19:27first. When trading cement was now
- 19:30settled, it was now OK next in cement factory.
- 19:34Then when cement factory was settled, next thing was OK
- 19:36spaghetti. Then when spaghetti was now
- 19:39settled, then next thing was juice.
- 19:42The juice business did not settle.
- 19:43The thing packed up and then I can't remember what he did else.
- 19:46And then now it is refinery and by the time refinery settle, I'm
- 19:50sure the next playbook is going to be expands to all the African
- 19:54countries. But you can see how the people
- 19:57that you like to celebrate has multi hyphenates or multi
- 20:00entrepreneurs or you know, serial entrepreneurs or
- 20:02whatever. You can see how they didn't
- 20:04start doing everything in one day.
- 20:06The same thing with Richard Branson, it is they start here.
- 20:09When this one is settled, this one has grown, this one is
- 20:12sustainable, this one has blue. And it's OK, now what next?
- 20:15And then they move on. And then they move on.
- 20:17The same thing with what's his name, this guy that has Trump's
- 20:21right hand man. Now what's his name now?
- 20:25This is guy X Melon, OSK, Elon Musk people.
- 20:30So multi, half in it, multi this, yeah, maybe multi, this,
- 20:33multi that. But it wasn't everything at the
- 20:35first time. It was him and then the PayPal
- 20:37guys. And they're trying to figure out
- 20:39how we're going to solve the problem of payments.
- 20:42The only payments is settled and then payments is strong.
- 20:44Then they move on to other things.
- 20:45Then it was not a matter of electric cars.
- 20:48Then electric cars is doing well, is now strong.
- 20:51Then next thing, OK, what next? Rockets and the whole thing of
- 20:53putting somebody on the moon. But it was not a matter of day
- 20:57one. Let me do payments company, let
- 20:59me do car company, Let me do rocket company from day one.
- 21:02No, that's not how it is. So we need to pick a skill set.
- 21:05We need to pick something. So for the person who is
- 21:09generally interested in Charcoal, UIUX, banking apps,
- 21:12websites, call support and AI, The thing is just sit down and
- 21:18have a conversation with yourself.
- 21:19What are you passionate about? What is your skill set or where
- 21:21are there significant market gaps?
- 21:23Those are the things you should be thinking about, your passion,
- 21:25your skill set or market gaps. Then, you know, write down all
- 21:30these your fancy ideas and then rank them, whichever you want to
- 21:34rank it, even if you want to rank it alphabetically and then
- 21:36start tackling it like that. Even now it's OK.
- 21:38Or if you want to rank it based on OK, this is the one that I
- 21:40think is most probable. It's all right, by the way, put
- 21:43on sheet of paper and then rank it.
- 21:44Then start testing the viability of these ideas.
- 21:48And of course, you've been listening to the show.
- 21:50To test the viability of something means you have to do
- 21:52some sales motions, go out into the market, try and see what you
- 21:54can sell, how much of it you can sell, and see if the profit
- 21:58margin is enough to reinvest in the business.
- 22:01And also so that you can put some change for yourself.
- 22:04So you can afford Internet, can afford fuel, you can afford
- 22:07charmer. Once in a while.
- 22:11If it is not enough, then yeah, they move on to the next thing
- 22:14on the list. But The thing is, if you spend
- 22:17too much time in, you know, I can do this, I can do this.
- 22:23This is my side also. This is my side also.
- 22:25I mean, you yourself, think about it, you work in Zenith
- 22:28Bank, but then you have five side hustles.
- 22:30You will not be successful in your Zenith Bank career because
- 22:32you're not paying attention to it.
- 22:33And then you have five side hustles.
- 22:35Like how, how, how you pay attention to five side hustles.
- 22:39Some of you are spending too much time in Maybelland and it's
- 22:43OK to maybe this, maybe this, maybe that.
- 22:44But at some point we have to just decide, I'll pick one thing
- 22:47and start running with it. So on that question, yeah,
- 22:51that's it. Just pick one.
- 22:54Anyone pick one? What are passionate about?
- 22:57What is your skill set? What are the market gaps right
- 23:00now? These ideas rank it, rate them
- 23:03somehow. Start from #1 begin their work
- 23:05now. And I start all these hyphenated
- 23:08BS, multi haphinated BS. Yeah, you can truly be a multi
- 23:13hyphenate something something something.
- 23:14But I don't know of any multi haphinate that started and did
- 23:17everything at once. If you know them, I give up my
- 23:22phone number all the time every episode of the show.
- 23:24So reach out let me know. But as far as I know, this is
- 23:28how they all start. You start with one.
- 23:30When one is strong, you move to 2.
- 23:32When 2 is strong, you move to 3. When 3 is strong you move to 4.
- 23:35But I don't know anybody who started off on day one.
- 23:37I said I'm building 1234 and I'll build all of them.
- 23:41Mega doesn't happen like that. And then so that's all folks, if
- 23:45you have got sales and marketing questions, remember you can call
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- 23:54Thank you for your time and attention.
- 23:55I'll catch you guys on the next episode.