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- 0:01Today on the podcast, we're going to look at the proper way
- 0:04to learn a skill. And the reason why we're going
- 0:07to look at the proper way to learn a skill is because even
- 0:11though it's not the kind of question I would normally
- 0:12answer, it's the question that I was asked by a podcast listener.
- 0:17His name is King, or rather introduce himself to me as a
- 0:21King. So King, this is me answering
- 0:24your question again on the proper way to learn a skill.
- 0:28And even though it's not the kind of question I would
- 0:30normally answer, I guess it's OK to tackle these sorts of things
- 0:33because sales is a learnable skills, IB skill.
- 0:38Sorry, forgive me. And then marketing and sales and
- 0:43business and you know, every, every, all the things you talk
- 0:46about over here are a combination of different
- 0:50learnable skills. So I guess eventually we would
- 0:53have to come to this so that we can learn how to learn a skill.
- 0:58OK, All right, I know that didn't sound too elegant.
- 1:01Anyway, I'm making today's recording.
- 1:03I'm out and about. I'm in the parking lot.
- 1:04But don't worry, the windows are wound up.
- 1:06So we shouldn't have too much noise bleeding in from the
- 1:09background. Now, these are the sorts of
- 1:11things that you like learning about business, learning skills,
- 1:13things like that. Then this podcast is your jam.
- 1:16Welcome to the podcast. I'm your host, Tara Shima Aidi,
- 1:20and for years this is all I've been doing, bringing you guys
- 1:22good advice, relevant practical things that work in the Nigerian
- 1:26market. So let's learn how to grow our
- 1:29business the Nigerian way. Stay strapped in.
- 1:31Subscribe on Spotify, YouTube, Apple or any player of your
- 1:34choice. And if you'd love to connect,
- 1:36you can call, send me a text message or WhatsApp message on
- 1:3908064662140. Now back to the question, what
- 1:48is the proper way to learn a skill?
- 1:50So like I said, this is a listener question from King.
- 1:53By the way, Mr. King, I didn't tell you this, but I'm saying it
- 1:56now. It's kind of impolite when
- 1:59you're having a conversation with someone face to face or
- 2:01text or phone conversation, and the person asks you what's your
- 2:06name? And then you say, oh, call me
- 2:08King. You know, maybe that works in
- 2:10the USA and in the UK, maybe in Australia, but in Nigeria things
- 2:15are different, especially when you're talking to someone who's
- 2:18little older than you are. And OK, let me just leave it
- 2:22that way, especially when you're talking to someone who is little
- 2:24older than you are. And when the social dynamics are
- 2:28all I put it, when the social dynamics aren't equal.
- 2:31Let me put it that way. So when someone asks you what is
- 2:36your name, the proper thing for a gentleman or for a young man
- 2:41in this part of the world is to actually say your name first.
- 2:46Give your full government name first, then you can add any
- 2:51qualifier. So King, in the future, someone
- 2:54other than you ask you what is your name?
- 2:57The answer is, by the way, I'm just making this up because I
- 2:59don't know his real name. The answer is my name is Oluwa
- 3:02Shogun, Oluwa Logbone. But my friends call me King or
- 3:08my name is Adetunji Adekombi, but my mom calls me King or my
- 3:18name is Francis Ihenatra. But you know, my classmates
- 3:25called me king, you know, whatever.
- 3:26So in this part of the world, as a gentleman, that is how we do
- 3:30it, especially in the business context.
- 3:33So for instance, for me wife, he calls me Lord Sugar.
- 3:40Because of that, some of my wife's colleagues have started
- 3:44calling me Lord Sugar. There's one of my wife's senior
- 3:48colleagues who keeps calling me the Sugar Man, and I want to
- 3:51tell her that Auntie is not the Sugar Man.
- 3:53And you know, if you say the sugar man now, that means
- 3:57something else that I can't explain on the show.
- 4:01But if somebody asks me what is my name, I will not say call me
- 4:05Lord Sugar. I'll give them my full
- 4:08government name first. I can say my name is Tavishima
- 4:11George Aidi, but my friends call me Lord Sugar.
- 4:16Alright, so sorry if I was over stressing it.
- 4:22It's just that now that the podcast is growing in
- 4:24popularity, I've noticed that I'm beginning to get the
- 4:27attention of listeners, mostly men, you know, between the ages
- 4:31of, you know, 18 to 20 something.
- 4:33So there's some stuff that I thought was just common sense
- 4:36that I find myself having to stress over and over and over
- 4:39again. Like yesterday I was in the
- 4:40coaching session in a meeting, of course, young people who are
- 4:44in the tech space and the kind of names that they picked.
- 4:48Like you're showing up for a business meeting and you're
- 4:51coming up with all kinds of, you know, fancy names, you know,
- 4:54Lord Dragon Slayer 69722 And then your profile picture is an
- 5:00anime, you know, photo of a, a, you know, North Korean dude.
- 5:06And you do like anyway, let me let me just say you young ones,
- 5:11you have a lot to learn of, you know, as in business is business
- 5:14and you know, other things business is business trips is
- 5:17trips. So anyway, let me move on.
- 5:21So some of you will be asking how do I know that I'm older
- 5:23than this guy? We are not.
- 5:25I'm not just making an assumption because, you know,
- 5:26we're just in the guy is a recent graduate of Lao Tech.
- 5:30And for me, have you been listening?
- 5:32I don't want to betray my age, but, you know, I graduated more
- 5:35than a decade ago. And even though I'm not saying
- 5:38how long ago it was, so clearly I know that I'm older than this
- 5:40guy. And yeah, So, yeah, yeah, he
- 5:45could have introduced himself better.
- 5:46Now, back to the question how to learn a skill.
- 5:49Now, that question is too broad. And that's a problem.
- 5:53Some of you who reach out to me, you're asking me questions in a
- 5:56manner that is just too broad. So.
- 6:02And the reason why it's too broad is this how to learn a
- 6:04skill? It depends.
- 6:05What are your innate abilities already?
- 6:07What is your aptitude, your learning aptitude?
- 6:10What are your interests? What are your deficiencies?
- 6:12What are the things you struggle with?
- 6:14What is your vision? What are you aiming towards?
- 6:16What are you trying to do? You know, all of these things
- 6:18determine how you're going to answer the question, how do you
- 6:21learn a skill? So that is too broad.
- 6:23So this kind of question, how do you learn a skill is not a very
- 6:27helpful question to approach a coach or a consultant with,
- 6:32especially if you're going to have limited time with the
- 6:34person. Because for me, especially for
- 6:36those of you who reach out to me for free, I'm trying to 'cause
- 6:39there are lots of people that I'm trying to attend to and then
- 6:42also have paid clients. So you understand, I'm not
- 6:45trying to be rude, but I have to deal with you guys, you know,
- 6:47you know, sharp, sharp, sharp. So the more specific you have
- 6:51the question is the better. So if you come to me and you say
- 6:55I'm a crypto bro trying to build a business in a so, so, so space
- 6:59and I feel as if I need to attract XYZ kind of clients and
- 7:03I've been trying to pick up skills in this particular field
- 7:06that I'm having a problem doing that.
- 7:07What is the proper way to learn that skill?
- 7:09Uh huh, that is different. It's very specific.
- 7:12We can talk sharp, sharp, sharp. You know, I pick up the phone, I
- 7:14call you 5-7 minutes, you know, we wrap it up and then, you
- 7:18know, we're both done. You get the value that you need.
- 7:21And I also fulfill my promise of making sure that every single
- 7:25person who comes my way get some value, whether they give me
- 7:27money or not. But if you're going to insist on
- 7:31these kind of broad questions, then my suggestion is pay me
- 7:34money. And let's talk for two hours.
- 7:37And, you know, sure, pay me money if you want this thing to
- 7:41be very broad. But the more specific your
- 7:44questions are, the better so that we can cut straight to the
- 7:46chase. Now, eventually I was able to
- 7:48tease out a few things from him, and we got to the thing of his
- 7:51reading books. A good idea.
- 7:53And the answer is YES. The answer is yes, but when you
- 8:00read books, right? Reading books is not just the
- 8:04main thing. There are some simple rules you
- 8:06have to follow when you read books.
- 8:08Now, for those of you who went to boarding school in Nigeria,
- 8:10you already know these rules because there's always that one
- 8:13teacher who keeps trying to jam these rules into your head.
- 8:17I refused to listen when I was in CKC Gwalata, That's Christ
- 8:21the King College in Gwalata. I was a school that is run by
- 8:25the Marius Brothers and it's a very liberal Catholic education,
- 8:31very traditional focused. And there was one brother there,
- 8:34Brother Pius and her and that was his name, Brother Pius.
- 8:36Brother Pius, if you're still alive and you happen to listen
- 8:38to this podcast, you know I'm healing you.
- 8:41Much respect, much love. I didn't listen to you back
- 8:44then, but honestly, Brother Pius, you know, I've lived life
- 8:46small now and I can see that actually you, you are correct.
- 8:49Your rules about how to read books, you are correct.
- 8:52You are correct. I was just being stubborn at the
- 8:55time because my father was also telling me the same things.
- 8:58And you know, in primary school, there's another teacher who was
- 9:01telling me the same things. So I was resisting.
- 9:04But Brother Pious, you are correct.
- 9:06And my father, you know, I hate to admit it, but you are
- 9:08correct. So these are the rules #1 don't
- 9:12read too many books. That's one problem that those of
- 9:15us who like to read and gather information, that's one problem
- 9:17we we make. We go from one podcast to
- 9:19another podcast to another podcast to another podcast
- 9:22before you don't, you know it, You don't subscribe to like 120
- 9:25podcasts. And let's be real here, you
- 9:27subscribe to 120 podcasts and you're listening to the 120
- 9:31podcasts. You feel like you're making
- 9:32progress, but are you applying anything?
- 9:35Is anything registering? So let's be real here.
- 9:39Reading books is good, but don't focus on too many books.
- 9:42It's not about the number of books you read, all right?
- 9:46It's about the focus of your reading habits.
- 9:51So you don't want to read 500 books.
- 9:54You want to read maybe two or three books and then read them
- 9:56500 times. Or do you squeeze the milk out
- 9:59of those books? So in the liberal Catholic
- 10:04education system, the focus is usually on the classics, and
- 10:09that is what you should be doing when it comes to business as
- 10:12well. Look for the classics, focus on
- 10:15the classics. The reason why is classic
- 10:18literature is condensed wisdom and condensed best practices.
- 10:23So some books become popular in some fields precisely because it
- 10:28is considered to have the best information, the best knowledge,
- 10:33the best wisdom, the best everything distilled.
- 10:37So if you're a medical student in Nigeria, the reason why
- 10:40certain books are on your reading list is because, OK,
- 10:43Nigeria is 65 years. I mean, over the last 65 years
- 10:50that Nigerian medical faculties have been conducting medical
- 10:54exams, they have come to find that XYZ books are the classic
- 10:59and they're the best. So as a medical student, it's
- 11:02not about reading 500 books, it's about looking at that list.
- 11:06And if that list is 17 books, read those 17 books 500 times.
- 11:13So yes, read books, but it's not how many you read.
- 11:16Focus on the classic, the classics in your field that is
- 11:20considered the best, a condensed version of the best.
- 11:26All, I put it now, anyway, whatever it is that you need to
- 11:29know in your field, if you read the classics, it is considered
- 11:33that you know, that's where you get all the meat, you get all
- 11:36the good stuff. Because the danger is for those
- 11:40of us who like to gather information, we end up gathering
- 11:42information, we end up reading books, we end up listening to
- 11:44podcasts, and we end up doing it just for doing sake.
- 11:48You would read book for reading sake.
- 11:50I read one book a week. Oh, really?
- 11:52Last week I read 52 books. Oh really?
- 11:55What did you learn from the book?
- 11:57Well, you know, I enjoyed that one by Robert Greene.
- 12:00I enjoyed this one by this by this.
- 12:02I enjoyed this one by that other.
- 12:03OK, really. What did you apply from the
- 12:05book? Well, you know, reading itself
- 12:08is a pleasure. You know, reading itself is a
- 12:11joy and you know, it makes 1 sophisticated.
- 12:13And you know, you're just reading book for reading sake.
- 12:16You're feeling yourself. You're feeling popped up.
- 12:18I'm listening to 120 podcast. Meanwhile, what are you
- 12:20applying? You're applying nothing.
- 12:22You're not applying. You're not playing gang.
- 12:25So, Brother Pius, you are correct.
- 12:31I was reading too many books. Don't be reading too many books.
- 12:34Focus on the classics and #2 Brother Pius, you are correct.
- 12:39I confess you are correct. Write down the things that seem
- 12:43reasonable. Write down the things that seem
- 12:45doable. Brother Pius used to tell us
- 12:48back then that the bluntest pencil is sharper than the
- 12:52sharpest memory. I repeat, it took me a while to
- 12:56understand this one. What Brother Pyos used to say,
- 12:59the bluntest pencil as your pencil no sharp is sharper than
- 13:08your than the sharpest Mind, he said was a Chinese proverb.
- 13:13I don't know your brother Pyos made that.
- 13:15Your brother Pyos made that saying of then.
- 13:18Well, anyway, he told us was a Chinese proverb.
- 13:22So right now, what seems reasonable, right now what seems
- 13:24doable, because the truth of matter is you will forget.
- 13:27All these books are really, really interesting stuff.
- 13:30And then apart from that, you know, life, life just happens.
- 13:35You know, this is an interesting idea.
- 13:37You want to apply the idea. But then you know, something
- 13:42happens. You know, your girlfriend comes
- 13:45over, you guys start chatting, you forget or mumsy calls, you
- 13:49start at home, mumsy you forget. Or you know, life just happens.
- 13:54You forget, write things down. When you write things down, you
- 14:03end up applying more stuff only to argue with brother Pios.
- 14:07And I did that look is not necessary, but I'm telling you
- 14:10honestly, Brother Pios was correct.
- 14:12Just write these things down. Write it.
- 14:14Don't be too proud, especially for those of us who think we are
- 14:17smart, that we have good memory. Just write it down.
- 14:21The chance that you would do this thing increases when you
- 14:25actually write things down. Don't ask me the psychology why
- 14:27I do not understand it. If I understood it, I wouldn't
- 14:30have argued with my father. I wouldn't have argued with
- 14:31Brother Pius. So of course, we've already gone
- 14:36to Step 3, because you're right. Then you apply the things that
- 14:40you noted down. After a while, you know when you
- 14:44write things down because writing helps you to sort
- 14:46through your thoughts. One day you wake up and realize,
- 14:48why did I write this thing down? This thing doesn't really make
- 14:50any sense. No problem, delete that one.
- 14:52Just cancel it. The ones that make sense, apply.
- 14:56Then the next step, the things that work.
- 14:59Repeat. The things that work.
- 15:02If it works, keep doing it again and again.
- 15:05For the things that don't work, the things that you fail at, you
- 15:09either ignore them or you continue to refine until you get
- 15:12it right. Then these steps, step four and
- 15:16five, repeating the things that work and then ignoring or
- 15:20refining on the things that you fail at.
- 15:22If you keep doing that over and over again, this is the best
- 15:25part. You will now know the next steps
- 15:29that you need to research. And that's the conversation I
- 15:33used to have with my dad. I was always wanted to know, OK,
- 15:37like what next? OK, I read this book.
- 15:39So what next? You know, so it is by applying
- 15:43the one that worked, refining the things that failed, you now
- 15:46know what the next step is. Back to the medical student
- 15:49example, recommended reading 17 textbooks.
- 15:52You read 17 of them. You start applying.
- 15:55After a while, you realize that hormone pharmacology, that's
- 15:59where they hang. So for you, the next things you
- 16:03need to research, where you need to double down on next skill you
- 16:07need to learn is pharmacology. Because in repeating the things
- 16:11that work, you have seen that anatomy, you have mastered it,
- 16:16circulatory system, you have done mastered it.
- 16:18This one, this one, this one, you have mastered it.
- 16:21But pharmacology, pharmacology get ACB.
- 16:25So you now know that that's where you should research next.
- 16:27By the way, if you're a medical student and you know some of the
- 16:29things I'm saying don't make sense, you know don't mind me.
- 16:33It's been a while since I left uni and I'm not even sure if
- 16:36pharmacology was a course in pharmacy or a course in
- 16:39medicine. But anyway, forgive me Sharp,
- 16:42but you get the point. Then step 7.
- 16:46Repeat the whole process, which is don't read too many books,
- 16:50don't listen to too many podcasts.
- 16:51Look for the things that are considered the classics because
- 16:54that is where the best wisdom and best practice are.
- 17:00Then write down what seems reasonable or doable.
- 17:03Apply the things that you have written down.
- 17:06Repeat the things that work. Ignore or refine the things that
- 17:10failed. When you repeat things that work
- 17:14and you try and refine all the things that failed, you will now
- 17:17know where your deficiencies are and you know where you need to
- 17:19research next. And then you repeat the whole
- 17:23process. The summary of what I'm trying
- 17:25to say is when it comes to learning a skill, don't
- 17:28overthink it. It's a reasonable question to
- 17:31ask. Well, you know King, you are
- 17:33kind of overthinking it. And it's not just you.
- 17:36As a young myself, you know, me too.
- 17:39I was, I was overthinking it as a teenager.
- 17:41You know, sometimes it's, it's that simple.
- 17:44So it's very, very simple. So Mr. King, since you are a Lao
- 17:47tech guy based in Obama, sure, if you want to marry an Obama,
- 17:51sure babe, it's very simple. Go and talk to another Lao tech
- 17:54boy that you respect and ask for his advice.
- 17:59Note down the reasonable advice that he gives you.
- 18:02Apply it. When it comes to toasting Lao
- 18:04Tech babes. The thing that work, repeat it.
- 18:08The things that don't work? Ignore from the things that work
- 18:13or from the things that fail. It will determine where you need
- 18:16to research to learn more so that you can improve your
- 18:18toasting skills so that you can marry and go on short babe.
- 18:22Then you repeat the whole process until you find a wife.
- 18:25When you find a wife, exit the market, you have no need to
- 18:29learn how to toast babes anymore.
- 18:31So you can see in business as is the same in relationships.
- 18:36If you want to start a gadget business for instance, because
- 18:39King wants to start a gadget business, try and look for what
- 18:42is considered a classic in the industry.
- 18:45Unfortunately, I don't know of any classics in the industry
- 18:48when it comes to these sorts of things.
- 18:50Although I try to sell the course on seller and and seller
- 18:54that's SELAR and there's another content creator who is there on
- 19:00seller. His name is Tunji Ajibade of and
- 19:03he wrote a book How to start a profitable Phone accessories
- 19:06business in Nigeria. It's an e-book.
- 19:08The thing has no reviews. So you know, buy a beware.
- 19:11Go and check it out for yourself.
- 19:13Although in the conversation I had with King, I told King, you
- 19:15know what, follow this guy Tunji Ajibade on his social media.
- 19:18Check him out. If some of the things he says
- 19:20makes sense, then you know you can go ahead and follow him.
- 19:23But you can see how you know. In this case, try and look for
- 19:27some good literature in the field and then follow it.
- 19:30The guy is going to talk about some specific strategies in the
- 19:32books. Note it down.
- 19:35The one that you think you can apply, note it down.
- 19:37Apply those ones. Some things work, some things
- 19:40you don't work. The ones that work, reiterate,
- 19:43you know, repeat it. The ones that don't work,
- 19:45reiterate, refine it, or delete the things that don't work from
- 19:52that whole process of applying. This one worked, I will keep it.
- 19:57This one didn't work, I'll delete it.
- 19:59This one didn't work, I'll refine it.
- 20:01You will now know where your knowledge gaps are and then you
- 20:05now know how to start this process again.
- 20:10So for you guys who do phone accessories, merchandising is
- 20:14serious for you guys. I mean, I know nothing about
- 20:16merchandising. Merchandising is about how.
- 20:20You take your inventory and then you have to apply your you have
- 20:24to set up your inventory well so that everything you know, looks
- 20:28good. So in a mobile accessory shop,
- 20:31you know, there's there's a way that they arranged things, you
- 20:33know, mobile phones in front, you know, computer accessories,
- 20:37you put it here, you put this kind of lighting on this kind of
- 20:41items. If the Samsung Fold is the one
- 20:43that is raining and that's the one that you want to highlight,
- 20:46there's a way that you place it. There's a way that you position
- 20:48it. The kind of music that you play
- 20:50in the shop, you know, whether you have AC or whether you have
- 20:54fluorescent lighting or not. You know, merchandising is
- 20:57complicated and to be honest, you know all these complicated
- 21:01things, I stay away from them. But for those of you who are
- 21:04doing mobile phone accessories and all that, you know your ex,
- 21:09your merchandising gas to be on point.
- 21:11There's a reason why when you walk into slot slot by the way,
- 21:15slot SLOT sorry for those who are non Nigerian listeners.
- 21:19Slot is a is a chain of mobile phone, computer and mobile
- 21:23phones now mostly shops in Nigeria, northern Nigeria,
- 21:28eastern Nigeria, South. So that's what they do.
- 21:33And if you notice that shops are arranged a certain way, it
- 21:36doesn't matter which slot to enter.
- 21:38The outlay is always the same, the staff dresses the same, the
- 21:42lighting is the same, the way that the spotlight phones is the
- 21:46same. You know, that is merchandising.
- 21:49The same thing with Apple Store. You enter inside, you know, cool
- 21:52AC, the way everything is arranged, the way the iPads are
- 21:55arranged and all that is merchandising.
- 21:57Take your inventory, put it down, lay it out, you know, make
- 22:01everything nice and sweet in a way that we'll just be calling
- 22:04people, calling people so that when you enter into the iPhone
- 22:07store, you know, the iPad will just be calling your name.
- 22:11The iPad will be calling you. The iPad will be saying share
- 22:12gonna come here, share gonna come here, buy me, buy me, touch
- 22:16me, touch me. So that's merchandising.
- 22:19So from reading all the books and, you know, getting the
- 22:25knowledge, applying, you now know whether, OK, I'm good at
- 22:29merchandising. The next skill I need to learn
- 22:31is this, or I'm good at all these other ones.
- 22:35And then the skill I need to learn is this.
- 22:37So for me, it was going to start a mobile phone and accessories
- 22:42business. Yeah, the skills that I would
- 22:44have to learn probably would be merchandising because when it
- 22:46comes to having the conversation to figure out what people want
- 22:49so I can make the right recommendations and and order
- 22:52part. But merchandising, I have no
- 22:55idea about that. So in summary, that is it.
- 23:01That is how you learn a skill or please, when you reach out to
- 23:05me, the more direct your question is, the better because
- 23:10I'm receiving lots of questions now the podcast is beginning to
- 23:12grow in popularity. I want to answer everybody.
- 23:15So the more back, back, back, the more to the points we can
- 23:18be, the better. So all these general questions
- 23:23like how do I prove improve my motivation?
- 23:25Like when that's that's broad. What did you say?
- 23:28I'm a real estate professional and based in Abuja.
- 23:31I've been in this game for three months.
- 23:32I've not been able to drum up my sales.
- 23:35My line manager shouting at me every day or more.
- 23:38My mood just the flat big was the way out.
- 23:42OK, that's a very specific question.
- 23:44We can, you know, I can pick up the phone and you know, like 5
- 23:48minutes, 10 minutes. We actually can make some
- 23:50headway on that. Oh, by the way, in case I
- 23:53haven't figured out, those of you who are reaching out, most
- 23:55likely I'm going to make a podcast episode about you.
- 23:58So if you don't want your name to appear in the podcast
- 24:00episode, the first thing you do when you reach out to me and
- 24:04say, bro, I beg, don't talk about me on the podcast, right?
- 24:09If you don't put that notice, I'm going to assume that you're
- 24:11going to be cool that I might talk about our conversations on
- 24:13the podcast. So if you reach out to me, I
- 24:15will be talking about you on the podcast.
- 24:18But already I leave our personal issues, you know, relationship
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- 25:21You said this. I disagree.
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