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13. Ghosts, Botox & Kicking the DJ · No Country For Hot Girls

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Hello.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: You've reached No Country for Hot Girls Podcast.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: We can't come to the phone right now.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because we have better things we could do.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: Hey girl.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: Hey girl.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm just quite upset really that our first ever video recording, I'm gonna have the biggest zoo of my life.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like just brewing and brewing.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: I was telling Hanna that because of the quality control of the of the audio, I've sacrificed any fresh air by closing the window, but I'm like just like gently sweating in a puddle in my bed.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: Horrible.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: Sauntering in your room.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't surprise you're not hot.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so hot.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's not that bad in here, but the front of the house doesn't get the evening sun, so maybe it's just like cooled down.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, true, perhaps.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: Anywho, well, if I just go quiet at any point, then just call Flo and get her to give me an electron.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Did I tell you about that time that I when me and a couple friends were travelling in South America and we got on this bus from I want to say it was from like Guatemala into Mexico, and it was the air con had stopped on the bus.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I think actually maybe we were with my brother as well, and it was so hot that we kept on like passing out, like falling unconscious, like from the la I don't know what it was, it lack of because all the windows were shut as well.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: Falling asleep or like or just like conking.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really know, like kind of like a mixture of both.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't because I was tired though, it was like I think also we were 21 and we like thought we don't need to bring water on a four-hour bus journey.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was like that kind of vibe.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think it was just like a mixture of like just being extremely dehydrated and also it being so hot that like my brain just like couldn't fathom like being conscious, so I just kept on like passing out.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Your brain couldn't fathom being so dramatic.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: No, but that does sound horrible.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: Quite a lot of dramatic things happen on that trip.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: So you know.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: I know you had a near-death experience.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: I had a near-death experience.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: You saw the white light.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: I actually did.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's the crazy thing.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, to set the scene, it was our friend Emma's birthday who famously loves her birthday, and it was all going a bit wrong because she had a parasite, which obviously was not ideal for someone who liked their birthday is the biggest day of the year.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um shitting themselves at breakfast.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we went to the doctor and they were like, You have a parasite, and she was like, Does this mean I can't drink?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, that's the least of your worries right now.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then we went to this, like in Guatemala, we went to this like river situation, and you like jump off waterfalls in there and all this kind of stuff.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: And there was like a rope swing that swung out from the trees, and you like jumped into the river.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: It was like this beautiful like limestone river, it was gorgeous.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: And one person did it and then jumped off, and then I went second.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why I thought I thought really should have let like five people go before me.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: And the guy was like, Oh, make sure you jump off the swing because if you fall back, you're just gonna hit all the trees and like break every bone in your body.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Cool, okay, thanks.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: So then we got to the top, and I like couldn't push myself off the seat.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: You go way higher than you think you're gonna go.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when you go on like a swing, when you're on a swing when you're a kid, you have the g force that keeps you in, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so I couldn't like jump off it, but I was like, Oh my god, I have to fall off because otherwise I'm gonna fall back and hit all of the trees and break all the bones in the body.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I just fell off it instead, like just tipped off it and then hit the water on my chest.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: Was it high up?
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, really high.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was like a huge smack, and it like completely winded me and I like lost all the breath like out of me and stuff.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: And like, you know, when you're winded and you can't move your arms or like anything, so I was just like in this river and like couldn't move my arms or anything underwater.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I had like bobbed back up, yeah, and but I couldn't like swim to go to shore or like paddle or anything like that.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I was trying to look at people on the bank, it was like couple friends and my brother, and I was like trying to shake my head because that's all I could do to like signal that I was like couldn't move anything, yeah, and they didn't know what was going on, and then I just passed out and I don't remember anything.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I went underwater and obviously was like breathing underwater, and apparently I was only under there for like 30 seconds, but these like bubbles started coming up, and then the tour guide like ran into the river to drag me out and like got all the water, like you know, whatever they did.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: CPR.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it wasn't CPR, but like I get like got all the water out, you know, when they like get all the water out your chest, like pumped your yeah, you sucked that out with his mouth.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but when I was in the water, well, the first person I saw was my brother, and I was so confused, and I was like, I was just at home with mum and dad, and he was like, You're literally on a riverbank in Guatemala, but okay.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and when I was underwater, I felt like I was at home with my family.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: It was really weird.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: I felt really like at peace, like really comfortable.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: The thing is, that's so crazy because, like, as you know, I've become really fascinated with near-death experiences.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know that woman, Dr.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Tara Swart, she's so interesting, she's like a neuroscientist, but she's basically done loads of work around neuroplasticity and like manifesting, which obviously you know I'm obsessed with.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and basically, really sadly, her husband died like a year ago completely out of the blue.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um and after he died, she she started getting these like crazy signs like from him.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: The thing is, she's a neuroscientist, she's a very logical scientific person.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: So she was like, you know, I thought I was going mad, I didn't know, I you know, I didn't trust my own psyche.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: I thought, you know, this must be like what's it called when it's like um something biased.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, she was like, you know, obviously I just want to see the signs, so I'm kind of basically making them up.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: But apparently it just went on for so long and got more and more crazy that she was like, I have to explore this, I have to do some research into this.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: So she started doing all of this research into near-death experiences and if there is actually life after death, and she found that pretty much like 90% of people who've had a near-death experience have had this really fucking weird experience that you had of this kind of almost white light, and usually seeing some kind of family members, um, sometimes like an angelic figure.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't believe in God, and I still don't know if I do, but I'm kind of like it's just kind of crazy.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: Some people say, some people say that you can explain it away by like something, uh a chemical going off in your brain.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: But Dr.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: Charles Watt was saying that actually, you know, they say we have five senses.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: She says that we actually have way more senses, but we just don't talk about them.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: And one of them is like a gut feeling, like it's called like I think it's just instinct, uh not instinct, intuition, that's it, intuition.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: And she was saying, like, we just know things and we don't understand how we know them.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: And in the same way, there's energies that we can't explain are there.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, we just don't know anything about the world that we have.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing though, we just don't know, and we will never know.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: But it no, you are right, like the near-death experiences most people have the same sort of feeling.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't remember if I saw a white light, but I remember just like the feeling of being I knew I was at home, I knew I was with my family, and I felt very loved and safe and the most relaxed I've probably ever been.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but yeah, I've been relaxed since it's like do you remember when you got your all your wizard teeth out and they like sedate you whatever general anesthetic, yeah.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the first thing you did was pull down for more.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: They were like they wheeled me out, and then I don't remember anything because I was completely high as a kite.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: And apparently I sort of vaguely came to and was like begging the nurse for more general anesthetic, and he was like, You're fine, you've the teeth are out, and I was like, No, please, more back under.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: I always talk about this with Maya as well.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: We're both of us are like general anesthetic.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: God, it's lovely, literally, just pure blackness.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing there, no worries, no gets.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: So dark.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: So dark.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like doesn't make it true.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just because do you know what I mean?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: When you live in fucking chronic anxiety like we do, it's it could be tiring.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was, yeah, they do say drowning is the most relaxing, not relaxing way of dying, but the most chill way of dying.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, anyway, I've lived to tell the tale.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: But then I went to Guatemala, and by coincidence, there was a Mayan shaman who is showing us around, like doing a tour of like the temples in the jungle.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: He was so interesting.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: But he was like, Oh, I'll read some people's Mayan sign, and obviously I was like, Oh my god, me please, that kind of stuff.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I went up and he was like just straight off the bat was like, You'll never die from a tragic accident.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: Your ancestors are always looking over you, and I was like, Oh my god, that's so weird because yesterday I nearly drowned.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: Almost died of a tragic accident.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, if no one was there, I would just have died, just died.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but no, but that's nice.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: I know, so I feel quite safe from that.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's good.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: That is good.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like when I saw that psychic Keith, he did say I had lots of ancestors, so I feel like I am quite watched over, which I really enjoy.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but psychic Keith also told me I was gonna meet the love of my life at 32, and I'm sorry, but we're already a month into 33.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: He also told you, which I swear he told you, that your husband was gonna work as a fisherman.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's not what he told me.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: He told me that I was gonna live by water one day.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he said I'm getting like the Thames, yeah, like a penthouse overlooking the Thames, like maybe I don't know.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's like estuary or something, the Thames estuary, Greenwich with the canal, Regent's Canal, I don't know.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um so that's what he told me.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: So it could still happen.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: I could have a house by the sea, you never know.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: One day, true, yeah.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, that was a tangent.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um a nice heartwarming tangent, as always.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, just really quickly going back to water and being dehydrated um and passing out.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um do you remember like a while ago.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember a while ago I did some like individuating for some extra cash?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, it was wild to see how much fucking water these bloody kids were bringing into their exams.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: And like loads of them would bring these bottles, literally two liter, two like liter plastic bottles.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, if you even attempt to drink half of one of those bottles, you're gonna need a piss like seven times.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even drank through exams.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, surely we just like I'm sorry to say it, but we were a hardier generation.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Never, I don't even think I remembered to bring a pen half the time, let alone like hydration.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like, don't be ridiculous.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, they must have thought you were like a real life adult.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was like a kind of like dehydrated husk, like an old hag in the corner, just like being really bitchy about all their water.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because Lose them tried to bring in like um bloody water bottles with the label on that.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was like one of the things that they weren't allowed to do.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I'd be like, I'm really sorry, but I'm gonna have to confiscate this.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: And they would literally hand, they would kick the fuck off and they'd be like, I need water, like I need water.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Do you know what, hun?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a half an hour exam.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: You actually don't.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: You will be a-okay.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: You will be fine.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to find it?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because they don't want more cheating then.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, they're just okay, and I don't want to punch down because this is exactly the kind of shit that we millennials used to get.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh, avocado on toast, blah, blah, blah.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm telling you, the fucking youngsters these days, they're just very, very precious.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, honey, you're not gonna die if you don't have some fucking dash water for half an hour.
• 13:01
  unknown: Anyway.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: This comes from you.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: I've been with you so many times in a long car journey where you've drunk a two-litre bottle of water and you've needed to piss like five times.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that is true, but that wasn't against the rules.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm entitled to flood my precious.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: It was just more that they were like, they were gobsmacked.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: They were like, I will literally not be able to do the exam without this water bottle.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, you will though, like you actually will.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: They did, and I was like, it's against the regulations, get them out.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think it had to be the clear plastic bottle of water.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um probably not actually.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's probably the worst.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I would.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think I would be like over it, babe.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know, it's hard.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Be like, honey, it's economic, then it was really hard.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you want me to shuffle that desk?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: I probably would have helped them to be honest.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I know.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, just quit now, guys.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, come on.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know one thing that they're allowed, which we were never allowed?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: Earplugs.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's quite nice for them.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I was like, that's help you get in the zone.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Also, all of them had laptops, whereas we were sort of stuck with like an HB pefor was it four four B pencil order.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Aquill and parchment.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Aquill and parchment and just some some mead to wash down.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm joking.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: I was a terrible joke.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um how was it a weekend?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I spoke to you yesterday.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: On the pod.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: On the oh right.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I was spoken to you.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right, obviously I was spoken to you all day today.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: My weekend was good.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: I did gardening.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I did.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Did you get any more um like cucumbers and veg?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Aww.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Got some like lavender-y type plants, and yes, a new cucumber has sprouted.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Nice, that's just so wholesome.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a hose pipe band, so that's not great.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: But you can just put the hose pipe into your watering can.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: So you're just allowed to basically hose it but with a smaller vestibule.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it like stops waste, and I was like, okay, whatever.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Also, like Thames Water.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Did you watch that documentary about um Thames Water and all the water?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: I heard about it.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, after watching that, I'm like, you can absolutely do one.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to sort out your water company, then you can come back.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: But did you see that part of the reason why there's a host pipe ban isn't actually because there's not enough water, it's because the UK are making more data centres than we have water supply for.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: So the amount of water that should be going to households is being deviated to the data centres.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god, that's fucking depressing.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: I can't.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: My algorithm is only climate emergency.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to carry menopause.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Pushed me over the hormone ledge.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's move on.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: I can't talk about it either.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like that.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna talk about the wheel.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: But it was quite funny.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, can I just tell you really quickly?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I went to his wedding on the weekend.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I haven't even asked you about the wedding.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was so fun.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was my great friend Zoe and Henry's wedding.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was just the loveliest, most like funnest vibe ever.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just like Henry's parents' house, and it was just really intimate, really cute, so fun.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, managed to like keep relatively compos mentors on the first day because as you know, I was freaking out that I was gonna humiliate myself like I do often at weddings.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I was handy to be proud of me.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: I was downing water, I was eating all the canopies, even though they had gluten in them.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like whatever.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, sat down at dinner and I was feeling a bit pissed, but luckily as soon as I ate, I felt way better.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was having espresso at dinner, which I've never done in my life at a wedding.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, who am I?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: But then basically the next day, you know, when you wake up really hungover, and then the main event's sort of over, so you kind of think everything's fine.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's kind of when the wheels came off a bit.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, if I was gonna lose control, it would have been on the actual wedding.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: So today's fine, it doesn't count.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's basically I'm just downing Rose all fucking day.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: And before I know it, I was um oh Han, it was so embarrassing.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, I don't really remember this, but basically, the reason why I was thinking about it because of the climate emergency this emergency thing.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, Flo, my housemate, her sister Tilly was at the wedding and her boyfriend Tom, and like I love them, they're so great.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: And Tom was basically saying he thinks that um Andy Vern should be drilling in the North Sea, and then Tilly was like, That's it, you're dumped.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: I can't go out with a fascist.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: So we we stalked off and we were like, You're a monster, you're a monster.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, then Tom later was DJing because it kind of turned into a little party, and I kept running behind the DJ decks and just kicking him up the arse, like I don't know why I do it, Han.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: I always think I'm being like playful.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: It has to be a kind of like body involved.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, don't say that because that makes me sound like a pervert.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: But honestly, also Han that day, that morning, so our other friend Anna came over and Tom, and they were like, Oh, do you remember you were holding our hands and we were gazing at the stars?
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, No, I don't remember you holding your hands, and they were like, It was very sweet.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh my god, and they were like, Yeah, we were talking about it with like Tink and loads of people, you like love holding hands, and I was like, just sound like a fucking lunatic.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: I know, but it's getting out of hand.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that coupled with the holding the guy's hand at the bus stop in Milan, like anyways, I was kicking.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: But that's got like different vibes, like stranger in Milan.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: I know that's what I mean.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: I have no control over my hands.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, anyways, then I was kicking, I was kicking Tom, obviously, because I was like, You're a climate monster, like this is not okay.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: But Nikhil and our other friends, Nikhil and Dulcie, didn't realise that I even knew him, so they kept chasing me.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: And Nikhil was like, you kept scarpering away from me.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then apparently I just turned around to Dulcie and was like, I don't remember this.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently I just went, just fuck off.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, she was like, Jules, you've turned off the DJ decks by accident twice now, and you keep kicking this man up the ass.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: And then apparently Jamie came on and I tried to do it to him, and they were like, That's it, and like just frog marched me out of the area.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: So embarrassing.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so my inner poise went up the room.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: For some reason.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: For some weird reason.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so talk to me.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: What you did nearly well.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: I did nearly did nearly maintain some composure.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: But there were about 10 people apparently on the first night who were like face found separately face down in the fields, like wasted.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, Do you know what?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: A bit of k ass kicking is okay.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: This time.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: So what we got on the docket today.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Love Island has finished, which I'm actually really gutted about.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: So who won?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Really gr really exceptional.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, a couple called Lorenzo in Yulia.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he Yeah, do you know them?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, you told me about it.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: You said that he had never had a girlfriend was a bit of a chauvinist, and she was really annoying.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, he wasn't necessarily a chauvinist.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, well, I don't know, he might be, who knows?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: He never had a girlfriend before.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: The personal growth this man has had over eight weeks is crazy.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like in a good way.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's gone from like literally never having had a girlfriend, didn't even really know how to like not how to speak to women, because obviously he's good looking and like he's like really flirty and like all that kind of stuff, but like is in like didn't know how to navigate the whole situation.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like he could tell he was like seriously overwhelmed the first like a couple weeks.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, and um, I mean I was like, fair enough, like that would whole situation would send me into like an apt.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Supermanic spiral, but anyway.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: You'd be mute for eight weeks.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Literally.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, and then like over time, he I think just from like being in different like female situationships, like on the program, he's obviously learned quite a bit of like I think the thing that's interesting about Love Island is that the couples have to sit down and have conversations about all their feelings.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's quite crazy.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: We're all so not confrontational and so like avoidant in like real lives.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's even in relationships and all this stuff.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's you don't want to be argumentative, you don't want to like bring up your feelings to people when like you could be really vulnerable and you have to do it in Love Island.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it probably makes you quite good at confrontation when you come out of there.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, so he had to do all this stuff, had to talk about his feelings, which he was like, I don't do that.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was literally like a people, all the friends in there kept on calling him the rock.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: And by the end of the show, they were like, The rock has like got feelings and all this stuff.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so he had to have all these conversations with different women and all this stuff, and like open up and everything.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: And also, like when like they had to send a couple home or whatever, he would be in floods of tears, just like bawling his eyes up, which like when hot guys cry, it just makes me like fall in love with them.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um such a stupid, yeah, hot guys anyway.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: So he was being so emotional, and obviously, the whole situation is like the whole like being trapped in a villa for eight weeks is I guess the emotions are high anyway.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so, anyway, his new relationship that he's been in, he actually really likes her, and he's like ready for actually something serious and all this stuff.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of crazy.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's gone from being like a very typical fuck boy, he doesn't talk about his feelings, he doesn't want to open up, not emotionally immature at all, to kind of the opposite, which is quite crazy.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: But it goes to show, doesn't it, that like he basically just had a relationship boot camp.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Don't think don't think on Love Island, it's like everything feels so much more serious so much quickly, and it's almost like he he had like four relationships, four relationships in like eight weeks, it was, and now he's ready for an actual relationship.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's literally what it was.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's basically but yeah, it is kind of weird.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: They always say I love you to each other after like six weeks, it's kind of crazy.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, did he say I love you to this girl?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think he did.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, they were not even the most far along couple, so that's why it's interesting that they won.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: But why do you think they won?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think because everyone loves him, like the public, and she's quite jokes, like she says she's so blunt and says her own.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't she Polish?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Is she Polish?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I thought so.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Is she?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe actually.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, she's beautiful, but she is quite funny, but like unintentionally funny, like she's just quite blunt and says things so brazenly, but backs herself.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like she'll say an opinion on something.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: She'll be like, Oh, they're fake, like they're just game playing to get to the final.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone's like, You can't just say that.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, these people are like our friends, and we've been with them for six weeks in here, and she's like, That's what they are.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: I quite like that.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's why people liked her.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they did like because someone told me that they found her annoying.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: She can be a bit annoying, like she does kind of go for people sometimes, but necessarily, yeah.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, not necessarily unnecessarily, but like she kind of keeps going, and it's like, okay, you said your opinion, yeah, and it's kind of rude and insulting.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: And we've all said, like, look, we don't agree, but whatever, agree to disagree, and then you keep saying the opinion.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, we just don't need to say that anymore.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, fair enough.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: Fair, fair, fair.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was gonna say I was googling, just like looking it up, and there was like a article that was like four hours ago being like, Are Love Islands, Lorenzo and Yulia still together?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Already, it's been like less than a day.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Was it yesterday, the final?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Monday.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, it was Monday, yeah.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Aww, what are you gonna do?
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like that's been like your fucking medicine this summer.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's the hour of my day every day.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think that this series has been better than previous series?
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know whether it has or whether I've just like come back to it after a break.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I think also it's just having something like that to watch that you know is gonna be on every day is so nice.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: And you're so invested because it's been such a long time.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't I don't really know.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: But no one went to the hideaway this year.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: One couple did, yeah.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know how like usually they're like, oh, there's a trip, like a couple can go stay in the hideaway, like choose who it is, and that's when they shag or over in private, yeah, like it was at the beginning.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: Private on ITV.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like they didn't do that once.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, is it that they didn't give them the option or they no one wanted to go in it?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: There was a hideaway, but there was no sort of oh, does anyone want to go in?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think you could just go in if you wanted.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe they'd maybe couples were going in all the time.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it didn't seem that way.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: I would have thought they would have shown it.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know how they get like dressed up in lingerie or whatever.
• 27:23
  unknown: Yeah.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like I thought they were gonna go in.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know what you mean.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: I know what you mean.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Can you imagine if that was you?
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: And the thing is, it must be really hard because you must kind of forget that the cameras are there.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: But can you imagine if you did that on TV and you dressed up in bloody laundry?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I get awkward dressing up in laundry for like one person and them seeing me.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's the heart rate challenge that I'm like the confidence you must have to do that.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I wouldn't be able to do it.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like no, the lap dance.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Han, our lap dances would be the stiffest lap dance.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Their heart rate would be completely flat.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Or something.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, I oh my god.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: It honestly like hurts, hurts my soul in so much.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can't even I can't even bear to think about it.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of reminds me of you know those shows that we grew up with.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like they don't have so many of them now.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: But remember like comedy panel shows like Mock the Week and I don't know, like Nevermind the Buzzcocks and stuff.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: I just remember you used to always think, oh, that's that looks like it'd be so much fun to be on.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: But then can you imagine having to make jokes and you're competing with six other people who could say the funniest witticism?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like I would be mute, I would always be mute.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: I remember listening to Ramesh Ranganathan's podcast once, and he was talking about going on like eight out of ten does countdown or whatever that one is.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: That one, and he was like, I went on it once, like was really funny, and I walked off being like smash that.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: So they invited me back, and then he went on a second time, and he was like, All my jokes just completely died, and he was like, It was the most awkward thing in ever.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: And apparently his agent messaged him afterwards, being like, What happened?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: What's wrong with you, or something like that?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: See, that is too much pressure.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Are you okay or something?
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, I've never been so embarrassed in my life, embarrassed, because he was worse than flopping on stage, yeah.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's a live audience, and also you're kind of competing for who's gonna like be the funniest, yeah.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: And also, you know that they're gonna like edit it and probably just like cut out all your bits, it's gonna be a good one.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're just that they're mute.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is not really a um good segue at all.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, not a segue.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I was been doing loads of reading this week about plastic surgery.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Did you see on TikTok that they basically did like an amalgamation of like every celebrity's face now and every celebrity's face 20 years ago, like all the most beautiful celebrities, and basically they did it year by year how their faces have changed, and now it's almost like they're aliens.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: We don't even realize it because the Overton windows move so much that we're just so used to seeing people's faces look really kind of like fake.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: But it's so crazy, Anne.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone looked like honestly, aliens.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: This is because of plastic surgery they've done.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: All of the surgeries that people have had done.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so then I started reading this article by Gia Tolentino, who's this amazing young journalist who works for The New Yorker.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: She actually wrote the article, We've reached the era of Instagram face.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember that one?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: She's the one who came up with the whole word, the phrase Instagram face, and spoke about that whole situation.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: And what's that just like people kind of like wanting to just look the same now?
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, basically, how all the faces of influencers or models or celebrities have just morphed into the same face, the same lips, the same nose, the same body, blah blah blah blah blah, and it's become almost a trending algorithm.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: But then she wrote a kind of follow-up, I guess, last week or a couple of weeks ago on the New Yorker.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'll put the link in the show notes.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it was really interesting, it was really worth a read.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: And she was talking about how basically we've lost touch with reality over our own appearance now, and it's not just that people want to look a certain way, it's that aging is now being treated as like a disease.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I just found it so interesting.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: I actually wrote down a quote.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Can I read it to you?
• 31:41
  unknown: Yeah.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll try and keep this brief.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: In the crude days of my own millennial young adulthood, trying to look hotter was often something a person did in the interest of increasing one's odds of having fun, exciting sex.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: This was an imperfect and alcohol adult goal, problematic in its own ways, but an interest in the physical self, in your body, and the bodies of others would build in.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: The element of the calculus is seemingly vanishing.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's a disembodied attention mediated by the screen that many young people, both men and women, seem to eroticise today.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: The looks maxists don't actually seem interested in sex at all.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Clavicula has said that he is likely sterile from injecting high dose testosterone as a teenager.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: He recently told the New York Times that knowing he can have sex with a woman is better than the act itself, which he said is going to gain me nothing.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: I just thought that was really interesting because I was like, it's true, right?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: We wanted to be hot so that we could get hot people, like get with hot people.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas now it's like the act of being beautiful, being hot, is like a commodity within itself.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's so crazy.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Also, it's like a bit of showing how online this generation is of how it's better to be viewed by people externally and be admired by people externally, but not actually have any interaction with them, which is so depressing because, on the other hand, all we want is like community and to be with people.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: Connection and like getting back in touch with fucking nature.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: But sorry, let me just read you the last line that she breaks.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: I thought this was interesting and goes back to what you just said.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: So she goes, the face is no longer supposed to be something that holds intimate, idiosyncratic human information, it has been reconfigured as a consumer guide and a disciplinary manual.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: It would be ideal, maximum, maximally profitable for the tech and beauty industries if the gaze that emerges from the face learns to seek nothing but its own reflection.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: And if the gaze that looks at the face learns to stop seeking anything strictly human at all.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was like scary, so depressing.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: But apparently, part of the aesthetic that she goes into more depth about this in the article, but she was saying that basically AI has also influenced how people are changing their faces too.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: So AI basically has taken Instagram face and has kind of created a model of what it is to be beautiful, and then that slop is now all over the internet, and obviously, there's all of these AI influences and AI movies and AI short content, and even on Twitter, fucking Elon Musk has been posting that you could have an AI girlfriend, and they all basically have Instagram face, they all look the same.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: So now we're basically turning into AI's ideal of beauty, which is basically thin, white, with like very specific symmetrical features and massive lips.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, anyway, sorry, bringing the tone down as always.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, depressing, so depressing.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, do you want to hear one more depressing thing?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is a separate thing, but it's connected.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: So evacue just before I wind down for the evening.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh sorry.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: So Eva Wiseman, who I used to work with, who's again.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder you can't sleep until like two in the morning.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean today.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I did?
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: I deleted my news app from my phone.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: I deleted the widget or whatever it's called, because you know when you go on the left-hand side and you swipe left and all the news comes up, and it's like murder, murder, murder, wildfires, wildfires, wildfires.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and Iran war.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, yeah, too much.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so Eva Wiseman, she's an amazing uh journalist for the Observer magazine, and you should definitely read this article.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: But in her latest column this week, she was talking about how not only is it becoming more of a trend for young people between 30 and 40 to get facelifts, basically, the beauty industry is now pushing this fucking new thing called um what's it called?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: PFLs, which are pre-facelift procedures.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: So they they're basically telling young women that they need injectable biostimulators and all of this kind of stuff like baby Botox and various treatments in order to ready their faces for a facelift in a few years' time.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's so crazy.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Also, the whole baby Botox thing I've never understood because people are like it's preventative, and I'm like, it's not preventative, it will just delay you not delay you getting wrinkles, but it will just so that so that you don't see them for longer when you get older.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: On that note, we do I do quite more than a lot of people.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Neither of us have Botox, and I feel like that's actually a bit unusual these days, don't you think?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think it's more that I don't understand how it's being marketed as a preventative thing when you're like 25 because you don't have anything to get rid of, so you're still just putting it in your face.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I know.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I guess it's so your face never creates the wrinkle.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: But it will.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, when the Botox runs out, but if you go forever.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so then you just get more.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a it's a fucking neurotoxin.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: They don't even know what it does to the brain for long term.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um God, plastic surgery, eh?
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I know.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: I would quite like some though.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: I've been brainwashed as well.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: Did you see that this isn't actually that related, but Chris Jenner's mum died?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: And how Chris Jenner like has got crazy face.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Jenna's really sad.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: MJ.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: She was an icon.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: Good old MJ, she really was.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Did you see how Timmy, Kylie, Kendall, and and Jacob are on holiday again together?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Jetting off on the PJ.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Did Kendall Jenner and Lewis Hamilton go out or like have a thing?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well that's what that's why I sent you on TikTok on Instagram.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what you sent me?
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: I was wondering where I was like.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: I sent you that, yeah, obviously.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was wondering where it's on that.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's pictures of them, I mean, un unless they're AI, but there's pictures of them snuggling and kissing.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Suspicious.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: That would be so weird, surely.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: If like all of your siblings went out with your exes.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: So weird.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: But also, like your older sister.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, the whole thing would be weird.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Lewis Hamilton's had quite a roster.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: What was it, Nicole Scherzinger?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: So he went out with her for ages.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he did.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: Who else?
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who else.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: Really like the roster.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's just Nicole Schersinger.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: Nicole Scherzinger.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: Kendall and Kim.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's quite the roster.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: True.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: I used to always see him on Raya whenever I'd scroll on there.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that was a while, okay.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: You saw quite a lot of people on Raya.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was when me and Callent are almost got married.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um on another note, there was a Barclays study that came out that shows that Gen Zs don't buy rounds at the pub.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts on that?
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently they only buy themselves drinks.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts on the rounds?
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, like if they're in a group, everyone buys separate.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, apparently.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously, not everyone, but they were saying the data shows.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, every single Gen Z has never bought um around.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Not one of them.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there is something, it is quite horrible.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: I will back them when you know when you're like, especially when you're skinny, which is actually my permanent state of being, and then you're like, Oh, who wants a drink?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: And like six people put their hands on.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have that cash.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna take a mortgage out of your fucking stout or whatever it is you want.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: Or the worst is when someone's like, Oh, I'll have a gin and tonic, and you're like, No, you won't.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, you won't.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: You'll be getting a half pint of lager, you'll be getting a shandy.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: To be rich.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um you're quite a big rounder.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you just gotta suck it up sometimes.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I guess you just kind of just have to think you're probably just gonna do it once.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: In the evening, true, you know.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: True, true, and then and then they'll feel like they're free drinks from everyone else.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, see, unless there's a stupid you kind of also have to do it towards the end, because if you do it first, quite a lot of those people will bugger off and not reciprocate.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: You want to do around like mid to end, you don't want to do it first, but it's because you want to like get back what you gave, you know.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, yeah.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, 90 year olds are most generous, but that's probably because they're like they've got nothing else to spend their money on now.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: I might as well just get pissed with like the 500 people at the top.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: They're literally paying people to drink with them.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: So Charlie X the X, you listen to the new album?
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um no, I haven't listened to it all the way through.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: I've started, but I haven't listened to it properly.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yesterday, that's what you were telling me to get, book wise, wasn't it?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yesterday.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: I read that when I was in Italy.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's such a good book.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's about a house.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm a trad wife, basically.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a dystopian drama about a trad wife in America.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's really good.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's by uh Caro Claire Burke.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: Caro is such a nice name.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know the book before it was even out has already been optioned for like it basically was bidding war over film rights, and anyway, Anne Hathaway got it.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so they're making it into a film, but it's written in such a like interesting and unique way.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: The protagonist is really unlikable, but so captivating.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: But is it written in a way because I'm not dealing well with like sophisticated prose right now?
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, you'll race the fuck through it.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, fine, cool.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's written like normal.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like is Annie Smith where I have to decode a poem or something.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: No, I I you know what, I feel so pained by this, but I've never been able to get into Sadie Smith.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: I got into one, I couldn't get into White Teeth.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um I couldn't either.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I got into NW, I think it was.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Was it good?
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was good.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: But it wasn't written in that kind of much of a way compared to White Teeth.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: Which is like less kind of lyrical.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like that's what I'm saying.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: I sometimes like found Hamlet a bit hard to read because it was so lyrical and I was just like, I just don't have this capacity in my brain.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: I still haven't seen that film.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Which is crazy.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, watch it.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: It is depressing.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Not denying then.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Not a depressing conversation.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: Have you got any records?
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't because Love Island's finished.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, no, I'm everything I'm reading and d listening to is complete crap, so I'm not gonna recommend.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm kind of in the market for some complete crap.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I started reading a book called Every Summer After, which is basically just like a teen romance novel.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was very like basic, but I raced through it, so as good as romanticy or no, no, no, no.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, absolutely not.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: But um, that's gonna be so soon.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, we can come back to that.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's out in October.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, why the new Aquatala is crazy?
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then the Basically, the author's called Carly Fortune, and she's done a couple other books.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: And there's another book called One Golden Summer, which is about the brother of the guy in the first book and kind of like interconnected story, which was written worse than the first book, but I still enjoyed it.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I've obviously come onto the books late, they were really popular like a few years ago, and they've created an Amazon Prime TV show about it.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: God.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um at the time I was like, oh my god, fantastic.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is what you dream of.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like you read the book really quickly, and then you get to watch the TV show straight away.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: What we dreamed of, but like romanticity.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: And did you watch it?
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: I've have started watching it.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: I've got like two episodes left.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: But basically, I kind of put off watching it because all the reviews were like, it's so bad.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: The characters are nothing like the one because people are like super fans of this book.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same kind of like Avatar vibe, but obviously fairies and stuff.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was like fine.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't super obsessed with it.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: So people were like, oh my god, it's not the same.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, the characters aren't the same, like the story's not the same, all this kind of stuff.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, didn't really give it a second chance, and then I started watching it.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like okay, it's just like, you know.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: And you're and you're you're a connoisseur, famously, of the old T.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: The summer I turn pretties and all of that.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: Campus, etc.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: etc.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: I still can't believe you haven't watched Heated Rivalry.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually good.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I started it.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: You have to get to like episode four.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why, I just couldn't continue with it.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: To be fair, that was the stage during Christmas when I could only watch the um Charlie Cooper series about that was my comfort blanket, just watching Charlie Cooper go to loads of haunted places around England with Daisy.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: I just really fancied him.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: Must have watched that programme so many times.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: That only I rewatched it four times.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: It had six episodes and they weren't even that good.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like nothing ever happened.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: They never like the odd laugh, but like Yeah, there was no ghost.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: There was no Jeopardy once.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: They did not find one single thing that was haunted.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: Not one thing.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: Which makes me think maybe ghosts aren't real.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they are.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I do think that sorry, full circle moment.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Going back to uh whoa.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but going back to NIDEF experiences and Tarus Wart, Dr.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: Taris Wart, she was saying that basically it makes sense that the energy that is in our bodies and in our like whatever, our life force, it doesn't disappear, it just basically transmutes into something else.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: So in theory, our energy never leaves the earth, it's still here.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: So it does kind of make sense that maybe you know, hanging around like a poll, like a poltergeist.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I wish I could haunt you.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: It'd be so funny.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, I really don't want you to haunt me.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: It'd be so annoying.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: It would be so annoyed.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: You'll just get a ghostly kick up the arse every of the day.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, no, I actually can't even deal with it.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: It would be so annoying.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: I can't even imagine what you would get up to.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right, I'm I've lost all of my bodily fluids.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like can we wrap this up?
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: The title of this episode is gonna be called Near Death Experiences Depression, Doom and Gloom and Bodily Fluids.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: We've really come down like a like an oct day from our last week.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: Last week was so euphoric.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: I tried to lighten it with Love Island.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: I just hope everyone can see that when they listen to this back.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well Okay.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, goodbye.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: Love you.