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Summer Break: Its Britney Spears, Babe! Replay · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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Speaker 1: Hey tolerators, it is officially our summer break for twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, and I just wanted to let you know
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Speaker 1: that the episode you're about to hear is either Patreon
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Speaker 1: exclusive content I'm making public an episode I thought it
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Speaker 1: would be fun to revisit from past years, or a
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Speaker 1: still comfy movie review with Julia Washington. I hope you
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Speaker 1: have a great summer with lots of great memories. I
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Speaker 1: hope you keep smiling instead of tolerating, and I will
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Speaker 1: see you in the fall with all new episodes of
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Speaker 1: To all the Men I've tolerated before. Hey tolerators, this
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Speaker 1: is to all the men I've tolerated before with Nantay Katona,
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Speaker 1: your weekly look at every day misogyny. Hey, it's our
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Speaker 1: good friend Julia Washington, and she's here to talk everything
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Speaker 1: Britney Spears because her new book is coming out, and
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Speaker 1: I have already planned on all of the ways I
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Speaker 1: will go and hiding and block people from my phone
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Speaker 1: because I won't be able to handle anyone talking ignorantly
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Speaker 1: about it. Julia feels the same way. So we're going
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Speaker 1: to process our feelings now, so as we're weeping about
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Speaker 1: everything that she's put into this book. We feel justified
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Speaker 1: and just laying down. Hey Julia, Hi, my friend.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad we have each other because I don't
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Speaker 2: think we would survive the Brittany memoir storm otherwise.
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Speaker 1: No, because between the press getting snippets of the memoir
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Speaker 1: and then people react to the snippets that we are
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Speaker 1: getting of the memoir, TikTok, clickbait. What this actually like?
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Speaker 1: No one is actually thinking about what this means for
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Speaker 1: a Brittany and be women or mentally ill people at large.
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Speaker 2: Right right, It's a whole lot of and we'll get
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Speaker 2: into it, I'm sure, but there's a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: we need to feel sorry for justin shit, and it
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Speaker 2: makes me sick.
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Speaker 1: As you know, I choose to never feel sorry for
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Speaker 1: a rich white man, even when they're hurdling themselves to
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Speaker 1: the bottom of the sea. I think I want I
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Speaker 1: don't know where you want to start with the start with,
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Speaker 1: but I thought, for all of the gen zers out
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Speaker 1: there who only know Brittany as that girl who's trapped
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Speaker 1: in her house doing chor lays on Instagram, I just
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Speaker 1: thought that we'd like go back in time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here for it. I was thinking this morning
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Speaker 2: about the first time I experienced Britney Spears, So yeah,
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Speaker 2: let's do it. Do you have a specific question, No.
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Speaker 1: It's basically that when was the first time Britney Spears
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Speaker 1: became our pop sensation.
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Speaker 2: So I remember it hit Me Baby One More Time
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Speaker 2: video Like everybody else my age, like that made a
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Speaker 2: huge impression. We didn't have table at the time, so
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Speaker 2: I saw the video at a friend's house, and then
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Speaker 2: by the time it made it to Entertainment Tonight, which
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Speaker 2: was my regularly watched television show at the time, I
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Speaker 2: was just blown away. But also remember I went to
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Speaker 2: private religious school. How many times have I said that
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Speaker 2: this week? And she's in a uniform? And my mom
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Speaker 2: was raised Catholic, we didn't have uniforms, but there was
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Speaker 2: always the threat of uniforms. So then there was this rhetoric,
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Speaker 2: at least in my corner of the world, about how
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Speaker 2: she's sexualizing a school girl uniform. And at the time
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Speaker 2: I didn't understand why people were so angry about that,
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Speaker 2: And in adulthood now I'm like, no, but you all
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Speaker 2: sexualized schoolgirls anyway, So why were you mad at Britney.
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Speaker 1: It's only ha because you've decided it's hot perverts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah so, and I remember it being like, oh, like,
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Speaker 2: just her sirit is so short, Oh my goodness, just
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Speaker 2: like the scandalized adults, you know.
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Speaker 1: So. I also remember the hit Me Baby One More
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Speaker 1: Time music video. Literally memorized the choreography and would do
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Speaker 1: it in between my productions of Greece for my stuffed animals.
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Speaker 1: My favorite choreography to actually do is the Sometimes music video.
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Speaker 1: I also appreciate Driving Me Crazy. Oh, I love Driving
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Speaker 1: Me Crazy. And I also love doing the Oh now
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Speaker 1: I have Look what you made me do? What's the
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Speaker 1: Red Jumpsuit one where she's in space and there's a
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Speaker 1: Titanic called that. What's the song I'm Blazing? Yeah? There
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Speaker 1: it is. Okay. I was like, I had to do
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Speaker 1: the choreography physically, I'm like, what did I do? I
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Speaker 1: played with your heart got lost in a game?
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Speaker 2: I just see her. I just see the costume and
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Speaker 2: her makeup. So we're working. God, that looks so hot, right.
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Speaker 2: So I was a Brittany stand and from like.
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Speaker 1: She was one of the first CDs I think I
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Speaker 1: ever owned and listened to on the bus, as well
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Speaker 1: as Will Smith's Getting Jiggy with It.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like that was the era too, though,
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Speaker 2: like that was kind of what we like, that's that
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Speaker 2: was pop at the time.
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Speaker 1: And then I think I am just old enough and
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Speaker 1: yet young enough to where I got to block out
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Speaker 1: all of the purity versus sexble stuff that would happen
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Speaker 1: in the press, because it's not like I was actively
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Speaker 1: consuming US Weekly or People magazine as a child. Sure
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Speaker 1: I was at grocery stores reading the headlines, so you
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Speaker 1: kind of like get bubbled out of that, but watching
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Speaker 1: the documentaries and hearing people talk about her now and whatnot,
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Speaker 1: and this whole idea that like she was supposed to
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Speaker 1: be a Madonna virgin and yet she was also the
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Speaker 1: tramp dancing around in her Catholic schoolgirls skirt. And it's
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Speaker 1: that dichotomy that we're always seeing in our young pop
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Speaker 1: stars where it's like this is the first way that
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Speaker 1: they undermine us and anything that we're ever going to
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Speaker 1: have to say.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just so upsetting how it's like this
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Speaker 2: forced sexualization in order to get meme, but then the
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Speaker 2: condemnation for it when they're old enough to understand their sexuality.
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Speaker 1: Correct and it's the and no one is putting on
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Speaker 1: their outfit for driving me crazy and thinking one day
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Speaker 1: I might have to be going through a high profile divorce,
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Speaker 1: right and it will be this crop top that everyone
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Speaker 1: plasters all over the internet about why I don't get
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Speaker 1: custody of my kids right right.
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Speaker 2: And the thing with Brittany too, that I remember a
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Speaker 2: lot was because you managed to like not hear the rhetoric,
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Speaker 2: but because I was in a very religious environment, that
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Speaker 2: was all we heard. Yeah, don't let your daughters, you
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Speaker 2: know this is inappropriate, how dear. I even remember like
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Speaker 2: one of the one of my church people, she brought
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Speaker 2: the pastor a Britney Spears CD and a Jewel CD
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Speaker 2: and said the youth pastor and said, my mom wants
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Speaker 2: you to listen to these to determine whether or not
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Speaker 2: it's appropriate for me to listen to.
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Speaker 1: Well, I hope he at least thought that jewel was
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Speaker 1: appropriated to listen to. Her hands are small. We know
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Speaker 1: they are not her as they are her own, but
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Speaker 1: it's that in it.
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Speaker 2: But it's that kind of like putting the control, putting
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Speaker 2: the control in someone else's hands, like your parents did
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Speaker 2: feel like they could make that decision. But even still,
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Speaker 2: if they they want I don't know. It could have
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Speaker 2: been an excuse so they didn't have to make the decision.
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Speaker 2: I have no idea, but when those types of things
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Speaker 2: were they experience sees that you're having. When this major
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Speaker 2: pop star is having like a like a skyrocketing career,
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Speaker 2: it's really hard to reconcile like liking the music, liking her,
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Speaker 2: with being told that that's bad.
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Speaker 1: Correct, But it's like, how is it bad?
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Speaker 2: I'm having fun. The music's fun. The lyrics you know,
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Speaker 2: don't read I'm just seeing along.
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Speaker 1: But like, and then, and as we know that Taylor
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Speaker 1: Swift went through this to these women start out as
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Speaker 1: their pop stars so young, because that's also part of
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Speaker 1: the fetishizing of them, yeah, is that they have to
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Speaker 1: be like fourteen tops when they start. So then, because
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Speaker 1: you start your career so young, you're already a disservice
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Speaker 1: because it's like, what's that girl writing songs about? Right?
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Speaker 1: Why is she talented? She's not an opera award Tony
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Speaker 1: winning actress. And it's like, well, no, she's thirteen. She
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Speaker 1: just got out of the Mickey Mouse Club, right, And
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Speaker 1: all of that builds up into what we know Brittany
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Speaker 1: as today. And I was old enough to watch her
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Speaker 1: spiral happen.
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Speaker 2: We okay, I have a very So we went to
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Speaker 2: North Carolina to visit family for my grandfather's ninetieth birthday.
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Speaker 2: So this is two thousand and six, and Brittany had
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Speaker 2: just had one of her kids just like chilling in
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Speaker 2: her lap in the car. So we're in North Carolina.
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Speaker 2: We're getting in the car with all the family to
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Speaker 2: do something. My son's not quite too yet at this point,
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Speaker 2: and my cousins like, just put them in your lap.
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Speaker 2: That's what we do down here.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: I grew up in California. We don't do that shit.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, and then or maybe
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Speaker 2: it was maybe that happened after maybe her kids are
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Speaker 2: younger than mine. But still the point is is when
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Speaker 2: that happened, I remember thinking, well, that's how it's done
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Speaker 2: in the South. I understand that it's bad. I understand
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Speaker 2: stand the safety issue, but why is it that Well
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Speaker 2: I knew why it was that Brittany was getting hounded
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Speaker 2: for it versus everyone else in the South. With that said,
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Speaker 2: it was definitely a moment of like, oh, we're having
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Speaker 2: a class clash, a culture clash. That's what I was
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Speaker 2: trying to say same fund as fast.
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Speaker 1: Also in the whole Britney story can be wrapped up
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Speaker 1: and no one actually wants to think deeply about the
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Speaker 1: nuancet is Britney Spears' life. I remember that photo. I
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Speaker 1: also remember that paparazzi were climbing on her car, Like
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Speaker 1: I remember she undid the car seat and all of
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Speaker 1: it to grab her kids so they'd stop scaring him.
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Speaker 2: And that's the thing that I think isn't being paid
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Speaker 2: attention to enough right now with her media storm and
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Speaker 2: like the backlash, not the backlash, but like the past
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Speaker 2: of the Britney Spears, because what we learned in the
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Speaker 2: Beckham documentary is that the kids were freaked out by
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Speaker 2: so much paparazzi because it was so aggressive. We knew
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Speaker 2: and we know Papa Rossi is aggressive, and there's like
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Speaker 2: sort of this provoketion to get the picture because you know,
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Speaker 2: we all got to eat. We all live in a
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Speaker 2: society where we all got to eat and gotta get
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Speaker 2: our coins so we can eat, but at the expense
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Speaker 2: of other people, And how scary is it? Like there's
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Speaker 2: a scene in the Beckham documentary where Victoria is just
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Speaker 2: like it's okay, kiddos, Like I mean, she doesn't call
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Speaker 2: them kiddos, but she's like it's okay, Like it's gonna
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Speaker 2: you know, mommy and daddy are here like blah blah blah,
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Speaker 2: and you're just like, how fucking terrifying for a child
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Speaker 2: slash the parent who doesn't know if that photographer is
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Speaker 2: going to be bold enough to break into my car?
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Speaker 1: I mean, and we saw Princess Di go through that
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Speaker 1: with Harry and William literally yeah, begging grown men on
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Speaker 1: the street, Hey, can my kid just have their first
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Speaker 1: day of school? Like we'll do five minutes of pictures
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Speaker 1: and then please just go. And not everyone is going
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Speaker 1: to have the wherewithal the grace or you know, the
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Speaker 1: confidence to do what Princess Di did and set boundaries.
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Speaker 1: And also then you're just opening up your boundaries to
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Speaker 1: be disrespected, right right. So I think the thing that
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Speaker 1: the illustration of Britney Spears' spiral is when I think
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Speaker 1: about that time, we were still like casually millennium racist,
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Speaker 1: we were still casually millennium homophobic. We're still casually millennium
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Speaker 1: making sexist, making fun of the mentally ill, all of it.
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Speaker 1: So then Britney starts to struggle because of whatever is
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Speaker 1: going on with hermetically or emotionally, or with all of
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Speaker 1: the stress outside factors, and instead of seeing a woman
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Speaker 1: in crisis, we love to push successful women off a
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Speaker 1: cliff and be like, haha, we knew that you couldn't
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Speaker 1: be doing this doing it well, yeah, it.
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Speaker 2: Feeds into the narrative that women are crazy and you
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Speaker 2: give them too much power and they can't handle it,
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Speaker 2: and you know, all of that sort of bullshit to
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Speaker 2: keep us down.
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Speaker 1: And I think what it truly illustrates for me when
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Speaker 1: I'm watching the documentaries and revisiting podcasts and all of
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Speaker 1: it is no, truly I am unsafe if I am
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Speaker 1: a woman who is publicly struggling. Because I also remember
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Speaker 1: from the early millennium Michael Jackson throwing a blanket over
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Speaker 1: his kid's head and dangling him from a balcony, but
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Speaker 1: we never talk about it anymore, and people still put
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Speaker 1: their kids in Michael Jackson's house. So it's just different
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Speaker 1: the way that we're treated when we're in crisis, but
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Speaker 1: also very loud and apparent about that crisis.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's heartbreaking because for so many reasons. One
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Speaker 2: of which is is was this crisis inevitable? Because her
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Speaker 2: parents really did push her into performance at such a
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Speaker 2: young age, Like we've all seen the Star Search competition
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Speaker 2: performance that is a little girl who is a powerhouse boys,
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Speaker 2: who is just commanding presence, who's going places because she's
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Speaker 2: a little girl, started very very young. And then because
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Speaker 2: her parents weren't exactly the best support system, It's like,
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Speaker 2: was her demise was inevitable? Is that the conclusion to
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Speaker 2: this because she had shitty parents? Probably yes, But then
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Speaker 2: also it's like, how different would her life have been
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Speaker 2: if she had had a support system that said, we
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Speaker 2: know you're talented, but we also want to make sure
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Speaker 2: that you're healthy and safe.
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Speaker 1: And you and I have talked before about how literally
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Speaker 1: it's a lottery on what pop divas are actually going
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Speaker 1: to survive their startup, right, So, as you know, I
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Speaker 1: very much believe that Kesha was as brilliant and as
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Speaker 1: talented as Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga got to be eccentric
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Speaker 1: in a very controlled way where I believe that she
15:13
Speaker 1: was actually in control of her narrative throughout. And now
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Speaker 1: Gaga does whatever Gaga wants to fucking do with her career.
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Speaker 1: On our other side of this spectrum is Ksha, who
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Speaker 1: was made to be party girl slutty except as centric. Again,
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Speaker 1: we have a process where her credibility is stripped from her. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: we know, but we're not saying out loud, that Kesha
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Speaker 1: is being drugged and physically and sexually abused by her
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Speaker 1: management and no one wants to believe her because she's
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Speaker 1: just the girl who brushes her teeth with a bottle
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Speaker 1: of jack.
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Speaker 2: It's a whole, it's a part. That's exactly how the
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Speaker 2: system works. What can we do? That's our country, that's
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Speaker 2: our legal system. A hunter? What can do to discredit
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Speaker 2: this witness? What who do to ensure that this witness
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Speaker 2: isn't believable and that we can't have them tell the story?
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Speaker 2: Even though our law is written to be gray, it's
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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, it's very clear. It's very
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Speaker 2: black and white in what you need to be and
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Speaker 2: how you need to live. In order to win, you
16:18
Speaker 2: need to have a shit ton of money or which
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Speaker 2: doesn't that only works for men. Or you need to
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Speaker 2: live the most angelic life, which is nearly impossible because
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Speaker 2: humans are flawed.
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Speaker 1: I truly cannot because I'm trying to run through my
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Speaker 1: head of men who put themselves in scandalous situations like
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Speaker 1: writing songs about being drunk or hitting women, or crashing
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Speaker 1: cars or racing cars or doing blow and then not
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Speaker 1: knowing or at this point, I wonder if we're starting
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Speaker 1: to realize, like anything I put in a song, anything
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Speaker 1: mean I put in a book, anything that I do
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Speaker 1: in a movie, if I am later in life a
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Speaker 1: victim of abuse, now that discredits me because no one
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Speaker 1: wants to believe me because I'm just the girl in
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Speaker 1: the red jumpsuit. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's truly what it is. Like We've had
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Speaker 2: conversations with other people in the past, like there's this idea,
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Speaker 2: and I understand the concept you are who you run with.
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Speaker 2: I get that, but it's deeper than that, and it's
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Speaker 2: a little more nuanced than that, because I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you've ever been this friend, I've been the friend
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Speaker 2: where no one's offered the drugs, right, they all go
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Speaker 2: into the bathroom to do the lines. I had no idea,
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Speaker 2: of course, you know, once I realized what was going
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Speaker 2: on three years into the friendship, it was like, I
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Speaker 2: gotta get out because I don't want people think, and
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Speaker 2: I do that shit because people probably thought I did
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Speaker 2: that shit because they knew that that person did that shit.
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Speaker 2: But that is not a vibe I'm into. But it's
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Speaker 2: that kind of concept, right, like you are who you
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Speaker 2: run with. But there's no room for like the believability
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Speaker 2: that somebody didn't do like somebody in the group doesn't
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Speaker 2: do that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: There's no separation of Brittany being a woman who is
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Speaker 1: in distress because of a medical and mental situation and
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Speaker 1: Brittany who is also in distress because she is a
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Speaker 1: woman who has been medically and emotionally and mentally abused
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Speaker 1: for thirteen years now, it's not longer, honestly, I think
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Speaker 1: it's longer.
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Speaker 3: Honestly, the way that she like even just with even
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Speaker 3: just with everything that she was doing in the early
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Speaker 3: two thousands, like with the with the rebel, with the
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Speaker 3: reveal that like she was pregnant and justin.
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Speaker 2: Timber like like forced her to get an abortion.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was just justin. No, she's never
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Speaker 1: between the abortion coming out, her saying in a courtroom,
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Speaker 1: I have an IUD in my body. It's preventing me
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Speaker 1: from having children that I want to have and they
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Speaker 1: will not let me take it out, they will not
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Speaker 1: take me to the doctor. I'm not allowed to drive
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Speaker 1: a car. I'm not allowed to fall in love and
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Speaker 1: get married. It's like, when was the last time Brittany
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Speaker 1: had body autonomy? And we like to think of things
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Speaker 1: as isolated incidents where it's like, this is happening to Brittany.
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Speaker 1: Britney deserves this. She walked barefoot in a gas station,
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Speaker 1: she shaved her head, she put her kids in danger
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Speaker 1: in a car, So that happens to Brittany because Britney
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Speaker 1: made choices. But then I have also been on the
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Speaker 1: phone with my sister and she's like, what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: And I'm like cleaning my house because Dad is visiting.
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Speaker 1: And I don't want to be put into a conservatorship
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Speaker 1: because now I have to start thinking about what is
19:48
Speaker 1: it like to be a woman who is basically treated
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Speaker 1: like a second class citizen in our family structures, who
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Speaker 1: then also become a problem, and then that problem has
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Speaker 1: to go away. And we do set the idea that
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Speaker 1: Britney Spears's medical abuse is something isolated and has only
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Speaker 1: happened to Britney Spears is ridiculous. Because we all watched
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Speaker 1: Judy Garland go through that throughout her career. Also, we
20:21
Speaker 1: read medical articles from a long time ago. I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to pretend to understand time and about doctors literally
20:30
Speaker 1: like molesting women into orgasm and calling that psychiatric help, right, Or.
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Speaker 2: There's the other side of that too. With the story
20:38
Speaker 2: of Henrietta Lax. If no one's ever read that book,
20:40
Speaker 2: The Imortal Life of Henriette A. Lax, she's literally the
20:42
Speaker 2: reason why we have the HeLa ah, what's the word.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Gene is the only word that's coming
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Speaker 2: to mind. I can't remember because it's been a minute
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Speaker 2: since I read the book. But they basically like stole
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Speaker 2: hersels and studied them. She had a wearying cancer and
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Speaker 2: like she's the reason why so much medical advances happened,
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Speaker 2: but it was all against her will. She had no idea,
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Speaker 2: she had no idea of the treatment, and she had
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Speaker 2: no idea of what she was going through and her
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Speaker 2: family suffered for it, like in such a way. And
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Speaker 2: to your point about like the medical abuse that Britney
21:15
Speaker 2: Spears went through, I think what's really frustrating watching everything
21:20
Speaker 2: in fold because at the time when she started her downfall.
21:24
Speaker 2: I think it was very confused by it because you know,
21:27
Speaker 2: we didn't know a lot back then, which is really
21:30
Speaker 2: gross and sad. And I was young because Britney's only
21:33
Speaker 2: a handfull of years older than me, I mean maybe two,
21:36
Speaker 2: she might be two or three years older than me.
21:40
Speaker 2: And now in the time of life where I'm at now,
21:44
Speaker 2: I can look back and I can see it is
21:46
Speaker 2: a woman who's crying out for help. It is a
21:49
Speaker 2: society that doesn't understand how to help. And now I
21:51
Speaker 2: have a lived experience of that. Because to your point
21:54
Speaker 2: about like, no, I got to clear to my house,
21:56
Speaker 2: I'm not in a conservatorship. It's literally how I didn't
22:00
Speaker 2: raise my child in fear, but I did raise my
22:02
Speaker 2: child with the knowledge that somebody could become very upset
22:05
Speaker 2: about something that I did and call an authority to
22:08
Speaker 2: question whether or not I was a staying, sable parent
22:13
Speaker 2: that should be allowed to raise her child. And that's
22:16
Speaker 2: what dictated my parenting, and I hate that. So I
22:20
Speaker 2: understand Britney's desire to want to have another chance to
22:26
Speaker 2: do it in a way without the fear of someone
22:29
Speaker 2: coming in and fucking it up for her.
22:31
Speaker 1: That kind of brings me into my point about how
22:34
Speaker 1: as a public we find it so easy to believe
22:40
Speaker 1: these other people. So we just like looked at Britney
22:43
Speaker 1: Spears's creepy dad and her probably also abused mother and went, oh,
22:51
Speaker 1: they said that Brittany can't take care of herself. That
22:53
Speaker 1: makes so much sense. She shaved her head. I believe you.
22:57
Speaker 1: But then we never thought passed, oh, well, they said
23:00
Speaker 1: that Brittany has dementia and cannot take care of herself.
23:04
Speaker 1: But she's doing a Vegas residency six nights out of
23:07
Speaker 1: the week, or she's on tour, or she's opening the VMAs,
23:12
Speaker 1: or any of the things that we watched her do
23:15
Speaker 1: in these past thirteen years that were under the conservatorship.
23:19
Speaker 2: Right, I remembered something else I wanted to say to
23:23
Speaker 2: about her bodily autonomy and just having the freedom and
23:27
Speaker 2: free will we have the luxury as normies hopefully to
23:32
Speaker 2: grow into that, right, Like, whether it's our parents guiding
23:36
Speaker 2: us into that, or it's just generally we're doing the
23:39
Speaker 2: work ourselves without realizing it, because we've turned eighteen, we've
23:42
Speaker 2: gone off to college, we're doing these things. There was
23:45
Speaker 2: nobody there to help Brittany they removed the conservatorship and
23:50
Speaker 2: said have fun. So now we have a woman who's
23:53
Speaker 2: forty years old who needs intensive therapy, probably who needs
23:59
Speaker 2: serious support, and we're just watching her poorly videos, going
24:03
Speaker 2: oh my god, what is wrong with her? Why is
24:07
Speaker 2: her pany so tight? Versus going, Oh, I'm willing to
24:12
Speaker 2: bet she's got emotional growth she needs she needs help
24:15
Speaker 2: with emotional growth because she's probably having a hard time
24:18
Speaker 2: processing what's happened to her. I would have a hard
24:20
Speaker 2: time with processing what's happened to me if that were
24:23
Speaker 2: my situation.
24:24
Speaker 1: Well, and as we know, science don't ask me which science,
24:29
Speaker 1: but science has dictated. I am not a doctor, nor
24:32
Speaker 1: a scientist, but I am a time traveler. Science dictates
24:38
Speaker 1: that our brain, the emotional part of our brain that
24:43
Speaker 1: controls maturity, basically ends at and stops maturing at the
24:49
Speaker 1: moment that we are suffering repeated abuse.
24:52
Speaker 2: Right right right, which is and we see that often
24:55
Speaker 2: with people who abuse drugs. We see that often with
24:58
Speaker 2: people who've been molested. We see that often with people
25:00
Speaker 2: who've experienced extreme trauma. So there isn't this It's like,
25:05
Speaker 2: if we know that, then why aren't we offering that
25:07
Speaker 2: grace understanding to her, and why aren't we doing something
25:12
Speaker 2: to be more of a society that can allow women
25:16
Speaker 2: to be flawed in this way? Like it makes me
25:18
Speaker 2: cranky when people are like, oh, I can't believe the
25:21
Speaker 2: interviews are happening via email because she's not doing a
25:23
Speaker 2: press tour for her book. No, her book is really
25:26
Speaker 2: I think your book is releasing today, right or yes, tomorrow.
25:31
Speaker 1: So again we're time traveling, so we are recording this
25:35
Speaker 1: episode the Thursday before the book comes out. The book
25:38
Speaker 1: comes out on the twenty fourth, I believe that is Tuesday, Tnesday, Okay.
25:43
Speaker 2: So it's it's this situation of like, yeah, I understand
25:46
Speaker 2: why she doesn't want to talk to any of the
25:48
Speaker 2: media outlets. Look at the way they've been talking about
25:52
Speaker 2: her her entire career.
25:56
Speaker 1: Well, and at some point she has to realize how
26:00
Speaker 1: vulnerable it makes her every time, Like when people were like,
26:05
Speaker 1: she's not going to read her own book, and I'm like.
26:07
Speaker 2: Yes, let the baby not read her book.
26:10
Speaker 1: Well, and number one, who cares? Number two? What if
26:12
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to relive that trauma? Number Three, what
26:15
Speaker 1: if she's also very aware of how awful the public
26:19
Speaker 1: is already being about this book.
26:21
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing that relive the trauma, right,
26:24
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing. You and I had a conversation.
26:26
Speaker 2: I forget which one of your episodes it was, or
26:28
Speaker 2: maybe it was one of my episodes I shared with you.
26:31
Speaker 2: I had played a character in a play who was mean,
26:35
Speaker 2: and not just mean mean to Rosa Parks, No.
26:38
Speaker 1: Not Rosa because I was cast as a white.
26:41
Speaker 2: Person because that seems to be a thing people like
26:43
Speaker 2: to do. But put me next to white people and
26:45
Speaker 2: everyone's going to go that one's not like the others.
26:47
Speaker 2: And every day after rehearsal, the director was like, I
26:50
Speaker 2: need you to be meaner, and it's like, no, I understand.
26:53
Speaker 2: I have to get there because I'm going to go
26:55
Speaker 2: home and cry because this character is really hard. And then,
26:59
Speaker 2: you know, the night of the p pformances, I was
27:01
Speaker 2: and then I would cry. The cast went out for
27:04
Speaker 2: Dreams after and I went home and cried because to
27:07
Speaker 2: get into that horrible dialogue and become that character was
27:13
Speaker 2: so taxing. So imagine having to read your memoir where
27:19
Speaker 2: you're talking about things that are deeply hurtful that you
27:22
Speaker 2: might not have healed from yet.
27:24
Speaker 1: In the timeline of this memoir because a lot of
27:27
Speaker 1: people have the luxury of being Gina Davis, who gets
27:33
Speaker 1: to read her memoir about how the forced politeness of
27:37
Speaker 1: her family eventually led her to abusive and traumatic situations
27:42
Speaker 1: that she herself did not know how to get out of.
27:45
Speaker 1: But now Gena Davis is a well respected member of Hollywood.
27:52
Speaker 1: She's a woman that we all look up to, especially
27:54
Speaker 1: me and you, and she had the luxury of taking
27:59
Speaker 1: time of processing. She gets to trust a therapist because
28:04
Speaker 1: a therapist has never been used as a weapon against
28:07
Speaker 1: her in a court of law, like how's amber heard? Ever?
28:11
Speaker 1: Going back to therapy right once? Therapy is And I
28:15
Speaker 1: used to explain this, and now we're going to get
28:17
Speaker 1: into my teaching bullshit, because I used to explain this
28:20
Speaker 1: to one of the schools that I fucking taught at
28:22
Speaker 1: when they would call the counselors and the therapists to
28:26
Speaker 1: de escalate a student and then deliver a punishment like
28:29
Speaker 1: they were the punishment call and I was like, no,
28:31
Speaker 1: you cannot do that. That person is the person supposed
28:34
Speaker 1: to be playing scrabble with them and tricking them into
28:37
Speaker 1: talking about their trauma. That is what they're supposed to
28:40
Speaker 1: be doing. But anyways, who am.
28:42
Speaker 2: I a person who understands psychology clearly?
28:47
Speaker 1: So anyways, So Britney, so Geena Davis had the gift
28:51
Speaker 1: of time, and she had the gift of actually working
28:54
Speaker 1: through her bullshit. As we know, Britney Spears did not
28:56
Speaker 1: have the gift of time because at some point she
29:00
Speaker 1: was like, we have to write this book. It has
29:01
Speaker 1: to be three hundred pages, it has to go out immediately.
29:04
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake is going to be on my ass and
29:06
Speaker 1: he always wins, and he does always win. Justice for Janet,
29:12
Speaker 1: Justice for Janet. And he's going to come out with
29:15
Speaker 1: a stupid fucking noodle ramen head and he's going to
29:18
Speaker 1: be like, I know maybe she misscared and I'm missing
29:21
Speaker 1: him and what was going on? And he'll spin and
29:24
Speaker 1: he'll spin and he'll spin, and we will believe him
29:27
Speaker 1: because we like bye bye bye. And people want to
29:30
Speaker 1: continue to believe that they should get to sleep with
29:32
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake, and therefore they have to rationalize in their
29:36
Speaker 1: head why Justin Timberlake wandn't do the awful things that
29:39
Speaker 1: he probably did to Brittany, to Janet. God knows what's
29:42
Speaker 1: happening to Jessica Biale any of it? Have you have
29:45
Speaker 1: you heard?
29:46
Speaker 2: I mean, you're on TikTok more than I am. I
29:47
Speaker 2: was looking at my TikTok the other day and I
29:49
Speaker 2: was like, when in my TikTok gets so white? Probably
29:51
Speaker 2: because I was watching a lot of taalors with stuff
29:54
Speaker 2: and that changed my algorithm. But somebody on TikTok was like,
29:58
Speaker 2: don't you think it's a little interesting that now suddenly
30:01
Speaker 2: justin Timberlake is conveniently working again with Nzinc. After all
30:04
Speaker 2: these years of not working with nz It's convenient timing
30:08
Speaker 2: that it's coming up around the time that Britney's novel
30:10
Speaker 2: is coming out, because he's trying to ignite that. The
30:14
Speaker 2: theory is is he's trying to light that missalgia in us,
30:17
Speaker 2: so we're on his side when these horrific things come
30:20
Speaker 2: out about him. It's working.
30:22
Speaker 1: Honestly, all of my tiktoks about Justin Timberlake have been
30:25
Speaker 1: black women yelling at him, which.
30:28
Speaker 2: Got because we're still mad about the Janet thing.
30:30
Speaker 1: As you should be. And so she knew, she knew
30:33
Speaker 1: that she was on a clock. She knew that at
30:35
Speaker 1: any point her dad could lawyer up. Jamie Lynn could
30:38
Speaker 1: spill a secret anything, and she doesn't have a support
30:43
Speaker 1: system that's like hey baby, boo boo, we're gonna help.
30:47
Speaker 1: Therapy has been weaponized against her, family, has been weaponized
30:50
Speaker 1: against her well.
30:52
Speaker 2: And the guy she married, who knows how honest and
30:54
Speaker 2: true that was. I mean, he became such a gross
30:57
Speaker 2: human in the divorce process. Like my heart hurt for
31:02
Speaker 2: her when that happened. I mean, a TV spencer came
31:04
Speaker 2: out was like, girl, get that prenup. And then you know,
31:07
Speaker 2: everyone jumped on on Tavia for that, and I was like,
31:09
Speaker 2: I feel like OTV is the Auntie that we all
31:11
Speaker 2: need to remind us that even though we are in love,
31:14
Speaker 2: we're still being abused.
31:17
Speaker 1: Because honestly, as you know, my conspiracy theory is that
31:22
Speaker 1: that man was hired by Britney's dad to court her
31:26
Speaker 1: and be avoid be like an ear on the inside.
31:31
Speaker 2: I mean I at this point, I wouldn't put anything
31:34
Speaker 2: past Britney's dad, right, anything, can you know? Sneakily and underhanded.
31:41
Speaker 1: And the thing about the conservatorship is it was written
31:44
Speaker 1: in a way where Brittany could say, Hey, I want
31:48
Speaker 1: a lawyer who's never spoken to my father, I want
31:51
Speaker 1: a lawyer who only speaks to me. And they'd be like,
31:54
Speaker 1: that's cute. We control your money. We're not paying a
31:57
Speaker 1: lawyer that We're not okay, we're also hiring everyone for you,
32:02
Speaker 1: so we're also not doing that. And then the court
32:05
Speaker 1: backed up all of these people and went, well, that's
32:07
Speaker 1: the terms of the conservators Stipe, is she do? Is
32:09
Speaker 1: I have control of her money? She does? I have
32:12
Speaker 1: control over her money? How is she supposed to pay
32:14
Speaker 1: for a lawyer?
32:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frustrating too, because I remember from the Dog
32:19
Speaker 2: there was a situation where she had come to court
32:21
Speaker 2: and she's like, why did it? Does this attorney deserve
32:24
Speaker 2: a raise? It literally he literally wrote to the court
32:27
Speaker 2: to ask for more money for a higher pay because
32:31
Speaker 2: I'm doing better. So if I'm doing better, then why
32:35
Speaker 2: is he still here?
32:37
Speaker 1: Uh huh? Like yeah, girl, he's not my therapist.
32:40
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of her for the way she was
32:43
Speaker 2: able to go to bat for herself repeatedly during the
32:48
Speaker 2: conservatorship hearings, because that's scary, that's hard, and because of
32:53
Speaker 2: how public it was, like the vulnerability needed to muster
32:57
Speaker 2: her up and again, what kind of support did she
33:00
Speaker 2: going to do it? Probably none, and that breaks my
33:02
Speaker 2: heart too. She deserves to have a trusted confidant to
33:06
Speaker 2: help her get through to the next phase of life.
33:10
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And that brings me to my next point,
33:13
Speaker 1: which is we have created this myth thos around Britney's
33:19
Speaker 1: spears that plays into the misogyny and the abuse by
33:24
Speaker 1: just going of course, she's not going to read her book.
33:27
Speaker 1: She probably can't read anymore. I can't believe that she's
33:30
Speaker 1: twirling around in her underwear. As you know. My conspiracy
33:33
Speaker 1: theory is that if Britney took the time to brush
33:36
Speaker 1: her hair and put on blue jeans before she started
33:39
Speaker 1: her toilty twirls, everyone would be like, good for her
33:42
Speaker 1: getting back on it. Yeah.
33:44
Speaker 2: And if her like I feel like her makeup too,
33:47
Speaker 2: it's a little different. People wouldn't be so.
33:50
Speaker 1: Taught about it. Yeah, because she clearly sleeps in her makeup,
33:53
Speaker 1: which is fine me too.
33:57
Speaker 2: Listen, it's hard being sad, and it's hard when you
34:00
Speaker 2: don't have a support system. It's hard when you want
34:03
Speaker 2: to talk to someone and you don't know if there
34:05
Speaker 2: is someone to talk to. There's a huge amount of
34:10
Speaker 2: containment that has to that goes into it. I'm willing
34:14
Speaker 2: to bet she's scared to even write stuff down in
34:17
Speaker 2: a journal.
34:17
Speaker 1: Could you imagine because her it does sound because I
34:22
Speaker 1: don't watch the court proceedings I listened, it does sound
34:28
Speaker 1: like there are moments where she's reading from something that
34:32
Speaker 1: she's pre written, which is common practice. We're not slandering,
34:36
Speaker 1: But all I can imagine is her like locked in
34:39
Speaker 1: a bathroom writing it on toilet paper so that she's
34:43
Speaker 1: not caught preparing for her own trial. Right, So, as
34:48
Speaker 1: a society, we're playing this game where we're supporting Brittany
34:53
Speaker 1: and we want her to do well. Hashtag save Brittany,
34:57
Speaker 1: Justice for Brittany, Let's get Brittany away from her day.
35:00
Speaker 1: Then we dropped all of that as soon as she
35:02
Speaker 1: didn't become one of my favorite terms, the perfect female victim. Right,
35:08
Speaker 1: And she didn't like start a book club or a
35:11
Speaker 1: garden and like put on some cute dresses and brush
35:14
Speaker 1: her hair.
35:15
Speaker 2: She didn't go back to being the girl and fell
35:17
Speaker 2: in love with twenty three years ago. Right.
35:19
Speaker 1: She didn't start, you know, re releasing all of her
35:22
Speaker 1: music so that they were Christmas bops. So in our head,
35:28
Speaker 1: I don't know if the public has decided that we
35:30
Speaker 1: made a misstep, But I've seen an awful lot of
35:34
Speaker 1: comments on those twirling videos being like, oh, maybe she
35:38
Speaker 1: does need someone baby sitting her. No, that's not the problem.
35:42
Speaker 1: The problem is is that we have no idea what
35:45
Speaker 1: the medication that she was incorrectly prescribed and incorrectly given
35:50
Speaker 1: did to her brain. It's the same thing that happened
35:53
Speaker 1: to Kesha, And I'm tired of people believing that, like,
35:57
Speaker 1: your brain being met abused for a decade isn't going
36:02
Speaker 1: to affect how you process things, how you present to people.
36:07
Speaker 1: But when you listen to her in those courts, I
36:09
Speaker 1: was like, well, shit, she's handling that better than I would, because,
36:14
Speaker 1: as you know, I cry every time someone confronts me.
36:19
Speaker 2: I would. Again, like I said, I was so proud
36:21
Speaker 2: of her because she had the way. It wasn't that
36:24
Speaker 2: she just that she had the wherewithal. She came to
36:28
Speaker 2: court to play. She wasn't gonna fuck around. She came
36:32
Speaker 2: to court with receipts on why she deserved her own
36:38
Speaker 2: self back. And I think she doesn't get enough credit
36:42
Speaker 2: for that, because that tells me there's somebody in there
36:46
Speaker 2: trying so hard to exist and have the freedom to
36:49
Speaker 2: exist in the way that you and I get to exist.
36:55
Speaker 1: And also when it comes to the physicality, when it
36:59
Speaker 1: comes to the dancing, when it comes to the nudity,
37:03
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, number one, this is starting to feel ageist.
37:07
Speaker 1: Britney Spears's body has aged, her face has aged.
37:13
Speaker 2: You know, with drug abuse, not even self induced drug abuse, right,
37:18
Speaker 2: drug abuse, forced drug abuse. We know that drugs age
37:23
Speaker 2: you quicker. So this, you know, and that's not her fault.
37:27
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware that we maybe I was aware that
37:30
Speaker 1: we still prescribe lithium. But lithium is a scary drug
37:34
Speaker 1: that like feels like it's something that like King Henry
37:38
Speaker 1: the eighth would drink every night before like abusing a wife. Yeah,
37:43
Speaker 1: so like when she says, she goes, they just have
37:47
Speaker 1: increasing my dose of lithium. I've looked into it. Lithium
37:53
Speaker 1: is a highly lethal drug that does a bunch of
37:56
Speaker 1: things to your body, your brain, and your like health.
38:00
Speaker 1: But I kept being given more even if I was improving.
38:05
Speaker 1: And it's a control measure, and to think that it's
38:08
Speaker 1: anything but a control measure is ridiculous. They needed her
38:14
Speaker 1: to be docile and doled out enough that she would
38:19
Speaker 1: do whatever they said without questioning it. But they also
38:23
Speaker 1: needed her high and hyped enough that she could dance
38:26
Speaker 1: in Vegas every night.
38:28
Speaker 2: Right because she's still their ticket to money.
38:31
Speaker 1: So when it comes to like, well she's not dancing
38:34
Speaker 1: that great, and I was like, well, she is in
38:37
Speaker 1: her mid to upper thirties, she hasn't been working in
38:43
Speaker 1: a while. Every time I take a week off of
38:46
Speaker 1: walking or yoga, the next time I do it, it
38:49
Speaker 1: feels like dying. It feels like dying it. I mean, again,
38:54
Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist and I'm not like a sports doctor,
38:57
Speaker 1: but someone at some free life library workout class told
39:01
Speaker 1: me that it is so easy for your muscles to
39:04
Speaker 1: lose memory and not actually remember the high caliber workouts
39:09
Speaker 1: that you were used to doing. That's why we have
39:11
Speaker 1: physical therapy.
39:13
Speaker 2: The other thing that's kind of like that I'm observing
39:15
Speaker 2: that I don't know how to process is and this
39:18
Speaker 2: is more of a general statement, but right now it's
39:21
Speaker 2: really highlighted because of Brittany. Is this expectation that celebrities
39:27
Speaker 2: owe us something. And then that's an age old conversation, right,
39:32
Speaker 2: like that's we've talked to it, and it's been talked
39:34
Speaker 2: about for decades. The Royals go through it as well,
39:37
Speaker 2: but it's like, I don't And to an extent, I
39:40
Speaker 2: understand why people feel like they owe the Royals, owe
39:42
Speaker 2: the Royals, because you know, it's tax money that keeps
39:45
Speaker 2: them floating. With that said, though, I guess I just
39:49
Speaker 2: don't understand this public ownership over a celebrity because when
39:55
Speaker 2: you think about, like, there are musicians out there who
39:57
Speaker 2: are like, I just want to make music, and they're
40:00
Speaker 2: very successful with just doing that, and people are like cool,
40:03
Speaker 2: let them be, like they just kind of let them exist.
40:06
Speaker 2: But then you have pop stars like I don't know. Okay,
40:10
Speaker 2: It's Here's what I'm going to re drench a little bit.
40:13
Speaker 2: What I'm hoping to read in the book is whether
40:16
Speaker 2: or not Brittany even wanted to have a music career
40:19
Speaker 2: slash be a mega pop star, because part of me
40:22
Speaker 2: feels like she would have been content singing and dancing
40:26
Speaker 2: at any capacity at any point in her life if
40:29
Speaker 2: her career was just professional dancer, musician, or singer. I
40:35
Speaker 2: feel like she would have been happy with that. I
40:37
Speaker 2: could be wrong, but what the tourly videos tell me
40:41
Speaker 2: is that she loves to move. She loves the movement
40:45
Speaker 2: of dance. There's something about dance that makes her feel
40:47
Speaker 2: free and light. And I think that what I'd like
40:52
Speaker 2: to know, and hopefully she addresses it in her book,
40:55
Speaker 2: is would she have been fine if she just ended
40:59
Speaker 2: up going from Star Search to Mickey Mouse Club to
41:02
Speaker 2: being a backup dancer? But instead someone tapped her and
41:05
Speaker 2: was like, you got a kid, We're gonna make you
41:08
Speaker 2: a star. And because her parents were so like money hungry,
41:12
Speaker 2: and because she was so young, it turned into this
41:15
Speaker 2: pop diva thing that maybe she didn't even want. She
41:18
Speaker 2: just wanted to.
41:19
Speaker 1: See you dance, right, And when it comes to the nudity,
41:23
Speaker 1: which has kind of slacked off, But do you remember
41:25
Speaker 1: when she first left the conservatorship and every day we
41:28
Speaker 1: were getting a new selfie with a with a sea clam.
41:32
Speaker 2: The stars over her nipples for Instagram.
41:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, with a starfish nipple.
41:37
Speaker 2: Yeah.
41:38
Speaker 1: I mean my sister and I called that right away.
41:41
Speaker 1: We were like, get naked, Brittany. You've never been naked
41:44
Speaker 1: on your own terms.
41:45
Speaker 2: And that's the other thing too, like why is everyone
41:48
Speaker 2: so scandalized by the fact that she wants to be
41:50
Speaker 2: wearing what she wants to be wearing and then putting
41:52
Speaker 2: it on the internet. How is that any different than
41:56
Speaker 2: if she were to shoot a cover for Men's Health
41:59
Speaker 2: or Board's Illustrated, or you know, some other magazine that
42:04
Speaker 2: would put her in something a little skimpy like who Like,
42:07
Speaker 2: I don't understand. The democratization of the internet gives the
42:10
Speaker 2: power back to the person who has that seed.
42:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So I was like, put your seashell, your clamshell,
42:19
Speaker 1: wherever you want it to be, Brittany, put it. Because
42:23
Speaker 1: you've never been naking on your own terms. There's like
42:26
Speaker 1: this overcorrection that your bodying, your brain does where it's like,
42:29
Speaker 1: it's like when I told a kindergartener one time that
42:32
Speaker 1: the best thing about being adult an adult was I
42:35
Speaker 1: could have Eminem's for lunch and ice cream for dinner
42:38
Speaker 1: and no one was screaming at me.
42:41
Speaker 2: Yeah that's I mean truly, Like, that's I mean.
42:43
Speaker 1: Truly truly, And no one's telling me when to turn
42:47
Speaker 1: off the TV or whatever. When you have no freedom
42:51
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're given unlimited freedom,
42:56
Speaker 1: of course, she's going on trips. What do you think
42:58
Speaker 1: I'm going to do. The first thing was, as we know,
43:01
Speaker 1: I've started telling people that I'm not spending time with
43:04
Speaker 1: people I don't want to spend time with, because then
43:06
Speaker 1: that's money that I have to spend on people I
43:08
Speaker 1: don't want to spend money on, And I could be
43:10
Speaker 1: saving that fifty to sixty bucks for a plane ticket
43:13
Speaker 1: to go see people I want to see. You think
43:17
Speaker 1: they were taking her on vacations for the conservatorship. You
43:20
Speaker 1: think they were taking her to Bermuda.
43:23
Speaker 2: No, And it doesn't seem that different from when you
43:28
Speaker 2: live with your parents between the ages of zero and
43:31
Speaker 2: eighteen or zero and twenty. The only difference is is
43:34
Speaker 2: that she should have been able to make her own
43:36
Speaker 2: decisions and that was taken away from her.
43:39
Speaker 1: And I think the misogyny and the way that our
43:42
Speaker 1: system is broken it comes into that Twofold like plot
43:47
Speaker 1: that happened where it's first we stripped her credibility, We
43:52
Speaker 1: let it known to be everywhere that she was mentally unwell,
43:56
Speaker 1: she's unhinged, she's a sick efety to concern to herself
44:01
Speaker 1: and her kids, And we stripped her reputation now and
44:04
Speaker 1: then when that wasn't enough, and she's still and she
44:08
Speaker 1: kept making choices that we're going to jeopardize the brand.
44:13
Speaker 1: Then her dad said, and now we'll take her money.
44:16
Speaker 1: And we know as women that sometimes the only thing
44:19
Speaker 1: between you and safety is the money that's in your
44:22
Speaker 1: bank account.
44:23
Speaker 2: Right, it does feel very much like, Okay, here's what
44:26
Speaker 2: we're going to do. Step one, ruin her reputation, Step two,
44:33
Speaker 2: control her money.
44:34
Speaker 1: And we all played into it.
44:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really easy to do that because we
44:38
Speaker 2: are so obsessed with celebrity. I mean, there are god
44:41
Speaker 2: bless that people who aren't. I don't know how you
44:43
Speaker 2: exist in this world. But it is one of those things,
44:49
Speaker 2: you know, those tiny morsels of whatever we are thrown
44:53
Speaker 2: about a celebrity that we can speculate on, which is
44:56
Speaker 2: why I loved Sorry to bring it back to the
44:59
Speaker 2: Beckham Do, but that's why I loved the beckendoc so
45:02
Speaker 2: much because they put context in all of on all
45:06
Speaker 2: of the headlines that were coming out at the time
45:08
Speaker 2: about them, and they were so vulnerable, and in that
45:13
Speaker 2: they were willing to be vulnerable in that saying like, hey,
45:16
Speaker 2: that headline was fucked up, here's what was going on.
45:19
Speaker 2: And I really it serves as a reminder that we
45:24
Speaker 2: don't know what is happening on the inside. Somebody sold
45:28
Speaker 2: that picture to TMZ, to us, to us weekly, to
45:32
Speaker 2: people because they got kids to feed, and then that
45:35
Speaker 2: publication took it and ran with it in however way
45:38
Speaker 2: they want to. And now you have other you have
45:40
Speaker 2: Instagram accounts that are doing shit like that now too.
45:43
Speaker 2: But it's like, how how did we how did we
45:47
Speaker 2: go from the point of we were so awful to
45:49
Speaker 2: Britney Spears twenty three years ago to still being awful
45:53
Speaker 2: to Britney Spears now, Like where did all that growth
45:57
Speaker 2: go that we went through as a culture and society
46:01
Speaker 2: to be right back where we were twenty two years
46:03
Speaker 2: ago with how we treated.
46:04
Speaker 1: Her ableism and sexism, abolism and sexism because in our
46:11
Speaker 1: head and I think this is why. I think, this
46:16
Speaker 1: is what separates me from the people who aren't thinking
46:19
Speaker 1: about what they're saying when it comes to Britney Spears.
46:22
Speaker 1: I live in this. I live in the ways that
46:26
Speaker 1: we will be abused, that stories will be turned against us,
46:30
Speaker 1: like this is this is my calling. I do it
46:35
Speaker 1: once a week for everyone. And I took that on
46:38
Speaker 1: because I thought that this show is going to be
46:39
Speaker 1: me bitching about my boyfriends and whoopsie do and then
46:45
Speaker 1: I found a new calling. And I think this is
46:47
Speaker 1: truly what makes people uncomfortable and why we sensationalize it
46:52
Speaker 1: and why we make it a joke, because we have
46:54
Speaker 1: to logically know that if this happened to Britney Spears,
46:59
Speaker 1: that that means. So there are thirty four thousand women
47:03
Speaker 1: who were just down on their luck, had a bad dad,
47:06
Speaker 1: had a bad husband we're trying to leave, had money
47:09
Speaker 1: in their bank account where this has also happened to them,
47:12
Speaker 1: And all it takes is some really good documentation.
47:16
Speaker 2: Because isn't that what we're always told to just in general,
47:19
Speaker 2: like when we're going through a situation, document anything, document everything.
47:24
Speaker 2: But because I was raised by people who were paranoid
47:27
Speaker 2: and we watched a lot of psychological thrillers before I
47:30
Speaker 2: was probably well enough to actually fully comprehend why that
47:34
Speaker 2: was a bad idea to watch that movie at eight
47:36
Speaker 2: years old, Witchcock movies. There's a part of me who's
47:41
Speaker 2: that's like, I know that you will doctor that to
47:45
Speaker 2: make it look in your favor. I've seen it play out.
47:48
Speaker 2: I have former friends who were accused of being inappropriate
47:53
Speaker 2: with a student, and then I was asked to help
47:56
Speaker 2: edit texts to look like they were at a different
47:59
Speaker 2: date in time, and I said no. But because of
48:02
Speaker 2: my ziby Wyo graphic design skills, which aren't that great,
48:06
Speaker 2: that was a request and I just thought, no, this
48:10
Speaker 2: is no. You're just reaffirming the fact that people are
48:13
Speaker 2: going to do shady shit to get out of doing
48:15
Speaker 2: shady shit or get out of the accountability for shady shit.
48:19
Speaker 1: So when you and I know this, because I serve
48:22
Speaker 1: as a mirror a lot to bullshit that no one
48:25
Speaker 1: wants to comprehend. So if you're sitting and watching the
48:29
Speaker 1: Britney spears, I do think part of our survival instinct
48:32
Speaker 1: is to go She deserved it, she wiled out. This
48:36
Speaker 1: is what happened.
48:37
Speaker 2: That's part of the message.
48:38
Speaker 1: On purpose. Yes, that's part of the message. On purpose.
48:41
Speaker 1: She wiled out, she was unhinged. Someone had to get
48:45
Speaker 1: a hold on her or whatever. Because I mean, okay,
48:49
Speaker 1: I don't want to use this as an example because
48:51
Speaker 1: I'm a white lady, but we've seen get out like
48:56
Speaker 1: where it's like it's so insidious and it's so subtle
49:01
Speaker 1: that we don't even question why we feel that way
49:04
Speaker 1: about Britney Spears and this week as in today but
49:09
Speaker 1: not today, because you're listening to this episode in the future.
49:13
Speaker 1: So last week we released an episode with Elizabeth and
49:18
Speaker 1: Darcy about Final Girls in Horror, and I made the
49:24
Speaker 1: point and I was like, I think, why horror gives
49:26
Speaker 1: me the tingles from my head to my toes and
49:28
Speaker 1: why I can lose myself in the tension and the
49:32
Speaker 1: thrill of it I go is because when I watch
49:36
Speaker 1: Final Girls go through what they're going through, I know,
49:40
Speaker 1: in the back of my brain it is very realistic
49:43
Speaker 1: that I would go through that or I have already
49:46
Speaker 1: gone through something like that in varying degrees.
49:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what's funny is that's why I
49:52
Speaker 2: can't do certain types of genres because it's like it's
49:54
Speaker 2: too close, because it's still happening every day.
49:57
Speaker 1: I know. That's why you have to swipe to like
49:59
Speaker 1: get yourself swept away in a rom com, because you
50:03
Speaker 1: have to believe that people are good and worth dating.
50:07
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, not even.
50:08
Speaker 2: Just good and worth dating, just good and just good
50:10
Speaker 2: and worth spending time with. Because it is really lonely
50:13
Speaker 2: when you're when you're by yourself all the time. But
50:17
Speaker 2: I think the thing that really kind of helps me
50:20
Speaker 2: come out of the Britney brainwash, you know, the anti
50:23
Speaker 2: Brittany brainwash, was having gone through similar experiences, like when
50:27
Speaker 2: she lost custody for kids. I cried for her because
50:33
Speaker 2: she's always wanted kids. We knew this. When she had
50:38
Speaker 2: her children, she was thrilled, she was delighted. It was
50:40
Speaker 2: like she finally fulfilled her dream. And then to go
50:44
Speaker 2: through all of that, and and to also experience a
50:47
Speaker 2: similar situation where someone tried to take my kid away,
50:51
Speaker 2: not to the extent of Britney's, but you know, fighting
50:53
Speaker 2: for custody isn't easy. It's cattle, and it is very
50:58
Speaker 2: much like as much as men want to believe, as
51:00
Speaker 2: much as men want you to believe that California favors
51:04
Speaker 2: the mothers and doesn't care about the fathers, there was
51:08
Speaker 2: still a lot of bullshit I had to go through
51:10
Speaker 2: to prove that I was the right parent.
51:14
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think when it comes to Britney's dad,
51:19
Speaker 1: Britney's mom, justin Timberlake and all of it, it was
51:23
Speaker 1: easier for our brains to villainize Britney as being a
51:27
Speaker 1: girl who dared to struggle.
51:30
Speaker 2: Because isn't the mentality Also, well, if three people are
51:33
Speaker 2: saying something about you, it must be true.
51:36
Speaker 1: It must be true. It can't be that all of
51:39
Speaker 1: those people are assholes.
51:41
Speaker 2: Why would so many people all say the same thing
51:43
Speaker 2: about that person?
51:45
Speaker 1: Right?
51:45
Speaker 2: I don't know, jan have you never been in junior
51:48
Speaker 2: high so?
51:51
Speaker 1: But I think at the core of it, it's because
51:54
Speaker 1: and you and I see tho all the time where
51:57
Speaker 1: I'm like, people just truly want white men and white
52:02
Speaker 1: people to be good, and they will tell themselves anything
52:07
Speaker 1: to make their brain avoid the fact that a white
52:11
Speaker 1: man did something bad. And yet I sit here and
52:14
Speaker 1: I'm like, the math ain't math in with the statistics
52:19
Speaker 1: of it all in the history?
52:21
Speaker 2: Can We also kind of go back to the Justin
52:23
Speaker 2: Timberlake abortion situation because I fell deep into the comment
52:28
Speaker 2: section about that post on people on our Instagram, which
52:32
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't have done for my own mental health
52:35
Speaker 2: and wellness, But I think I immediately messaged you and
52:38
Speaker 2: was like, everyone is protecting Justin in this situation. Oh,
52:42
Speaker 2: poor Justin. He doesn't deserve this. This is private information.
52:46
Speaker 2: How dare you share something that happened to.
52:50
Speaker 1: Justin?
52:51
Speaker 2: Oh, her fucking body, this happened to her. It is
52:56
Speaker 2: her situation, It is her scenario, It is her. It
53:00
Speaker 2: is Britney, Britney, Britney, Brittany, it's Britney, bitch. Okay, Like,
53:04
Speaker 2: you don't get to protect Justin in this situation. And
53:08
Speaker 2: this is why our society is so fucked up and
53:11
Speaker 2: probably why we lost Roe because they're protecting the men
53:16
Speaker 2: in her abortion in versus. How did that make Britney
53:21
Speaker 2: feel and how did that contribute to her fucking demise?
53:24
Speaker 1: Countless men, countless countless men, men that I have respected,
53:29
Speaker 1: men that I have left with, men that I have
53:30
Speaker 1: shared holidays with, men that I no longer speak to.
53:34
Speaker 1: Countless men have looked me fucking in the face when
53:37
Speaker 1: it comes to abortion and row and all of it
53:40
Speaker 1: and gone. So what you're saying is a dad doesn't
53:42
Speaker 1: have the right to his own kid not being murdered
53:46
Speaker 1: or killed or what if that guy wanted to be
53:49
Speaker 1: a dad this that or the other. I was like, well,
53:50
Speaker 1: number one, y'all don't want to be dads. When the
53:52
Speaker 1: baby arrives. That baby arrives, and you guys think that
53:57
Speaker 1: being dad is playing catching dad is just imposing all
54:01
Speaker 1: of your beliefs onto a potato.
54:04
Speaker 2: It goes back to that whole the original concept of
54:08
Speaker 2: like whose property is it? Because with royalty, it doesn't
54:13
Speaker 2: matter that it's my body. The fetus is property of
54:16
Speaker 2: the crown.
54:17
Speaker 1: M hm. So then and then they want that to
54:24
Speaker 1: be like a moral question that breaks your heart. Oh,
54:27
Speaker 1: all of these countless men who just truly wanted to
54:30
Speaker 1: be fathers, and then all of these nasty women took
54:32
Speaker 1: away their shot, and then we lose our rights and
54:35
Speaker 1: we lose our body autonomy. And that's exactly what happened
54:38
Speaker 1: to Brittany when she was having a child, and that
54:41
Speaker 1: man went, I don't want it aborted, and then people
54:45
Speaker 1: want to be like Justin probably had a really hard
54:48
Speaker 1: time making that call. No, don't come at me with that,
54:52
Speaker 1: don't come with me with that, because the verbiage said
54:56
Speaker 1: she was told to do it, not asked. Not that
54:59
Speaker 1: they had to grown up conversation. No one had a
55:02
Speaker 1: family meeting, no one had a mediation.
55:05
Speaker 2: And it's not like she was in an emotional state
55:07
Speaker 2: to stand up for herself either, probably because how many
55:11
Speaker 2: of us at twenty years old could stand up for
55:14
Speaker 2: ourselves in that way.
55:15
Speaker 1: It's sounding very men's rights, is what it's sounding like. Well, then, Neustrels,
55:21
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about the book for our November Patreon episode.
55:25
Speaker 2: I know. I'm excited because then we'll actually have read
55:27
Speaker 2: the book.
55:28
Speaker 1: Yes, because surprise, surprise, surprise, supress surprise. This is a
55:35
Speaker 1: twofold episode, So this was us processing all of our
55:38
Speaker 1: feelings about Brittany and the public and the paparazzi and
55:42
Speaker 1: the nuancet is being overlooked. And then we're going to
55:46
Speaker 1: read the book and destroy ourselves and then we will
55:49
Speaker 1: rise again. And then we will rise again as a
55:51
Speaker 1: phoenix and deliver you a really great book review of
55:58
Speaker 1: the Woman and me.
56:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm nervous. I think I'm gonna have to
56:03
Speaker 2: take a week off.
56:04
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, Like I will be doing a lot
56:07
Speaker 1: of laying down.
56:08
Speaker 2: Because I think what's different about this for us specifically,
56:12
Speaker 2: our generation specifically, is that Brittany is our peer in
56:17
Speaker 2: terms of like age. So it's not like reading a
56:20
Speaker 2: memoir of somebody who is twenty years older than us
56:24
Speaker 2: and like, oh my god. Like when we read Geena
56:26
Speaker 2: Davis's book for Book Club, it was a lot like
56:28
Speaker 2: oh my God like Gina, but Brittany is our peer.
56:32
Speaker 2: We lived through everything she lived through and we got
56:36
Speaker 2: it wrong.
56:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like it'll be the Judy Garland memoir
56:40
Speaker 1: when we're like, of course that happened, that was a
56:43
Speaker 1: terrible time for women.
56:44
Speaker 2: It similar to like when we read Paris Sultan's book.
56:47
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and we were like, oh shit, did
56:49
Speaker 1: I live through a terrible time for women? Yeah? Am
56:54
Speaker 1: I living through a terrible time for women? Stop telling
56:58
Speaker 1: me it's gotten so much better, Jules, what have you
57:02
Speaker 1: learned about Britney Spears in her experience?
57:05
Speaker 2: I've learned that she and I have a lot in common,
57:09
Speaker 2: and not just like on a big scale, like general
57:12
Speaker 2: lot in common, Like there are specific things that we
57:14
Speaker 2: have in common that I didn't realize. And I think
57:16
Speaker 2: that's why I'm having a hard time with the rhetoric
57:19
Speaker 2: that is around her right now.
57:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that relates to my lesson that I wanted
57:23
Speaker 1: to pass on to everybody, which is, of course it
57:26
Speaker 1: could happen to you, It could happen to us. Don't
57:29
Speaker 1: watch Britney twirl around with knives and go thank God
57:33
Speaker 1: that's not me, because it could be you Tomorrow. You
57:36
Speaker 1: let the wrong person with a lot of money and
57:39
Speaker 1: a lot of time into your life, and all of
57:41
Speaker 1: a sudden you're shackled in your bedroom wondering what happened
57:45
Speaker 1: to your cat because they got sick of your pet.
57:48
Speaker 1: Come on, everybody, it could happen to you, It could
57:51
Speaker 1: happen to me, It could happen to us. Maybe it
57:54
Speaker 1: already has. And now you're sitting there going fuck, has
57:56
Speaker 1: this happened to me? Did I live through a terror
58:00
Speaker 1: time for women? Am I waking up? And it's a
58:05
Speaker 1: terrible time for women? Black people in the queer community.
58:10
Speaker 1: No comedy? What I love? How I'm more of roast
58:17
Speaker 1: right now? You know?
58:18
Speaker 2: Right? And I very bad day bed?
58:23
Speaker 1: Is it a bad time for people of color? Why
58:28
Speaker 1: have they tried to fold it in? Then it kind
58:31
Speaker 1: of went to the queen, what would you like to
58:34
Speaker 1: man best for Brittany? Because prayers up for Brittany every
58:38
Speaker 1: day at twelve o'clock Eastern or whenever you have a moment.
58:42
Speaker 1: I started this tradition and shared it with the Sugar
58:45
Speaker 1: Cookie Club, where it was like, when I have a
58:47
Speaker 1: quiet moment, I just sit there, I close my eyes
58:51
Speaker 1: and I send love to Brittany, and then I started
58:54
Speaker 1: extending it to anyone who was in a position like Brittany, unheard,
58:59
Speaker 1: uncared for just twirling and not knowing what to do.
59:03
Speaker 2: I think what I would like I think what I
59:06
Speaker 2: would like to manifest for Brittany is rooted in healing,
59:12
Speaker 2: but more in I want her to find a confidant.
59:16
Speaker 2: I want something from this book to bring out a
59:20
Speaker 2: true and trusted confidant for her, because I think that's
59:25
Speaker 2: going to be a huge part of it. She needs
59:26
Speaker 2: an anchor, and she doesn't know how to be her
59:29
Speaker 2: own anchor because no one's ever taught her to trust herself.
59:33
Speaker 1: What I would like to manifest for Brittany and for
59:35
Speaker 1: all of us, and especially for me and Julia, is
59:39
Speaker 1: for everyone to watch their god damn mouth after this
59:44
Speaker 1: book comes out, watch your fucking tone. I want everyone
59:48
Speaker 1: to reread every text, every tweet, every DM, every Facebook post,
59:54
Speaker 1: every review on Goodreads that you have typed out and
59:58
Speaker 1: decided that you want nected to your name. When it
1:00:02
Speaker 1: comes to a woman who was medically abused, sexualized way
1:00:06
Speaker 1: too young, forced into an abortion, stripped of her body, autonomy,
1:00:10
Speaker 1: stripped of her finances, and abused by the people who
1:00:13
Speaker 1: were supposed to love her the most, watch your fucking tone.
1:00:16
Speaker 1: And that's what and that's what I'm manifesting because I
1:00:19
Speaker 1: truly did lose friends when it came to the to
1:00:22
Speaker 1: the Kesha court cases, almost lost friends during her and
1:00:27
Speaker 1: Johnny Duppy.
1:00:28
Speaker 2: Which is easy to do because if we're not if
1:00:31
Speaker 2: we're not the perfect victim, we don't deserve support.
1:00:34
Speaker 1: That's all I'm asking for. I'm asking for you to
1:00:37
Speaker 1: reread and to think about what you're gonna fucking say
1:00:41
Speaker 1: about her and this book, and then ask yourself the question,
1:00:45
Speaker 1: is this out of kindness and love? And does this
1:00:48
Speaker 1: promote the universe I want to be living in, because
1:00:51
Speaker 1: if it is just gossipy and salacious and reminding everyone
1:00:57
Speaker 1: how hot Justin used to be when in Saint came
1:01:00
Speaker 1: out and he now he's been a really great hand
1:01:03
Speaker 1: to death at Hell and we have went for the
1:01:06
Speaker 1: Bye Bye Bye Tour twenty twenty four. Is it helpful?
1:01:12
Speaker 1: Is it true? Is it kind? And is it something
1:01:16
Speaker 1: that you actually want connected to your fucking identity? And
1:01:21
Speaker 1: then we'll have to ask yourself, is this something that's
1:01:24
Speaker 1: going to make me, that's going to make Nambley cut
1:01:28
Speaker 1: me from her life and pretend like I'm a ghost
1:01:30
Speaker 1: who never existed, because I do it. I'm a capricord.
1:01:34
Speaker 2: Is I do it? I'm a capricord, Julie.
1:01:39
Speaker 1: Are we plugging now? What are we plugging?
1:01:41
Speaker 2: Yeah? Let's do all the plugs you can do. You
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Speaker 2: want to go first? Do you want to go first?
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Speaker 2: Since your show? I should go first.
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Speaker 1: It's technically our show.
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Speaker 2: This episode, Oh yeah, this episode is us is both
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Speaker 2: of us.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. If you're listening on to all the
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Speaker 1: men I've tolerated before right now, you should probably go
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Speaker 1: to pop culture. Makes me jealous because Jules does these
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Speaker 1: like really factual like sound clips in between the nonsense
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Speaker 1: that I say, which she's like, yes, Namley just talked
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Speaker 1: about the historical abuse of women, and I would like
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Speaker 1: to direct you all to an outline that I have
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Speaker 1: about Judy Garland.
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Speaker 2: True, Yeah, it's true. I do do that, don't I.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, I'm I just sit here and I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: have binders of facts that the world is a shitty
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Speaker 1: place for women. So plug Okay.
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Speaker 2: I'm Julia Washington. You can find me on the Instagram
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Speaker 2: and the TikTok the JULIAU Washington and currently full of
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Speaker 2: existential dreads. So that's pretty much what you're gonna find
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Speaker 2: on my channels at the moment. My show Pop Culture
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Speaker 2: makes Me Jealous. We analyze pop culture through the lens
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Speaker 2: of race or gender, and sometimes both. We also have
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Speaker 2: a show called Jelly Pop's Book Club where we read
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Speaker 2: book to screen adaptations, but we also just read books.
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Speaker 2: Is that love to read? You can find all of
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Speaker 1: Am I living in a time where it's easy for
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Speaker 1: a woman's experience to be a race. Alexis. My name
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Speaker 1: is Amile Katona. I am the host and producer of
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Speaker 1: To All the Men I've Tolerated Before, your weekly look
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Speaker 1: at everyday misogyny, and we're going to do a Patreon
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Speaker 1: episode on the book. We've already mentioned that we both
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Speaker 1: have free trials on both of our patreons. There's a blog,
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Speaker 1: at men. I've tolerated pod on Instagram and Namiley K
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Speaker 1: one two four on TikTok and even Instagram. Still and
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Speaker 1: hey everybody, Hi, tolerators. Remember tolerators, Remember my own catch
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Speaker 1: rock show.
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Speaker 2: I was like wrong Show, Natalie Wrong Show.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, make sure you're watching still Comfy, neither.
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Speaker 2: Plum still comfy, neither one of us.
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Speaker 1: We're fucking rude. Remember, tolerators. You don't have to smile
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Speaker 1: through anything you're tolerating, including waking up and going wait,
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Speaker 1: is it bad here for anyone who is an as
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Speaker 1: cis white, straight white man smiles every joy