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Child Stars- Life Under a Microscope · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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Speaker 1: Well, you learned me some today, baym. This is Millennial
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Speaker 1: It's now. Today is the time. Why not. Welcome to MMAC.
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Speaker 1: We are glad you are here. We're gonna have another
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Speaker 1: pop culture episode for you today, which is you know,
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Speaker 1: we always love talking mental health. We especially love talking
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Speaker 1: about pop culture stuff and how mental health plays into
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Speaker 1: a lot of it too.
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Speaker 2: So some would say that intersectionality, oh vocab, Yeah, nice
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Speaker 2: like that. It's like I'm teaching cultural foundations.
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Speaker 1: Eddie brought the fire today and I like it. So
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Speaker 1: if you've been watching the news lately, you know that
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Speaker 1: Michelle Trachtenberg passed away recently, who was a very popular
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Speaker 1: child star and star as a young adult. She's an actress.
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Speaker 1: She was big for millennials. We watched her a lot
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Speaker 1: growing up, or I mean I guess I did too.
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Speaker 1: I know Eddie's not the biggest movie guy in the world,
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Speaker 1: do you change.
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Speaker 2: I'm just here to support, so Eddie is.
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Speaker 1: Here to party. I got a quick shout out to
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Speaker 1: Christina at work. She made us some very cool T
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Speaker 1: shirts that are related to the show. So I just
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Speaker 1: want to say thank you, thank you, thank you. That
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Speaker 1: was very cool.
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Speaker 2: Thank you Christina.
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Speaker 1: You got any shout outs for me?
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Speaker 2: Shout out to Christina. We appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Christina. So a little bit of info on
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Speaker 1: Michelle Trachtenberg. She was born in nineteen eighty five, which
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Speaker 1: puts her right in that millennial time frame.
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Speaker 2: She got her start on Pete and Pete on Nickelodeon.
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Speaker 2: Big note, I'm assuming we were both big Nickelodeon guys
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Speaker 2: growing up.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, watched a lot of Pete and Pete, a
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Speaker 1: lot of Nickelodeon.
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Speaker 2: What channel was Nickelodeon for you growing up? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Man, I think he was thirty five.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, mine was fifty three. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, it's
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Speaker 2: up on Twitter every so often, like all real ones.
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Speaker 2: You know, know that Nickelodeon was fifty three. So for
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Speaker 2: me it was Nickelodeon fifty three, Cartoon Network fifty four,
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Speaker 2: Disney fifty five, and then ESPN was thirty eight and
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Speaker 2: thirty nine.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember numbers for anything, but I can remember
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Speaker 1: the Nickelodeon was thirty five in California when I was
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Speaker 1: eight years old.
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Speaker 2: It's one of those things, man, so funny.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And as soon as you said that, I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Nickelodeon thirty five, Disney thirty six, and Cartoon Network forty two.
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Speaker 2: Ay man, I don't make the rules.
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Speaker 1: So if you guys can remember your childhood favorite channels,
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Speaker 1: then you're probably a millennial too. So Michelle Tracktonberg was
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Speaker 1: also in a lot of other big shows, especially as
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Speaker 1: she got older and she grew up. She was She
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Speaker 1: had roles in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was in
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Speaker 1: the amazing comedy euro Trip, which I loved. Miss School
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Speaker 1: is A. She was in Harriet the Spot, and Gossip Girl.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was what people would call the quintessential child star.
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Speaker 2: It started very early in her life, so she was
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Speaker 2: in commercials at three years old. She ended up doing
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Speaker 2: something like over one hundred commercials total. And this is
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Speaker 2: like the the definition right of child's star, like early,
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Speaker 2: like in just kind of transitioning into the next things.
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Speaker 2: It feels like we don't have a lot of those nowadays.
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Speaker 2: But maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I just maybe I just
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Speaker 2: don't consume that much media.
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Speaker 1: Who knows that's true, But yeah, three years old is
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Speaker 1: super early to start, right was you're just understanding how
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Speaker 1: the world works, and you're working. She was actually found
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Speaker 1: deceased in her New York City apartment on February twenty
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Speaker 1: sixth of this year. The family opted not to do
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Speaker 1: an autopsy, and the official cause of death has been
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Speaker 1: undetermined because they don't really know and they didn't do
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Speaker 1: the autopsy to find out did.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I remember this correctly. But was
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Speaker 2: it maybe because of religious reasons? Did you hear anything
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Speaker 2: about that? You know it didn't Yeah, I might be
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Speaker 2: making that up, but yeah, they ultimately undetermined didn't do
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Speaker 2: an autopsy. She was only thirty nine years old, that
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Speaker 2: she had had a liver transplant, But we're really not
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Speaker 2: able to find information as to why. So a lot
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Speaker 2: of speculation as to what could have happened, but you know,
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Speaker 2: we're just never really going to have the answers.
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Speaker 1: There's a million things that can lead to needing a
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Speaker 1: liver transplant, so we don't want to speculate. So that's
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Speaker 1: just kind of a final word about Michelle. We wanted
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Speaker 1: to say rest in peace, and we wanted to use
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Speaker 1: her passing as a springboard to talk about child stardom
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Speaker 1: because there are a lot of preconceived notions about child stardom.
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Speaker 1: Because when you think about it, Eddie, what's the first
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Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind?
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Speaker 2: It's bad but like drug addiction, kind of crashing out
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Speaker 2: of just like and even like crashing and burning. I know,
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Speaker 2: you know one that gets brought up a lot on
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Speaker 2: like TikTok and just other social media is Amanda Bynes
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Speaker 2: and like, what's happened to her. She's kind of come back,
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Speaker 2: not really into the spotlight, but onto the maybe the
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Speaker 2: social media spotlight recently. And I think she even she
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Speaker 2: either has a TikTok or she's posted somewhere where she
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Speaker 2: started to get like her esthetician license or cosmetology license
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Speaker 2: or you know, so just like things like that. But
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Speaker 2: people are like really like, oh, man, like she looks
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Speaker 2: so different, like but she's been through a lot so
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Speaker 2: But I think that seems to feel like a pretty
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Speaker 2: typical or stereotype when it comes to child stars. That's
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Speaker 2: something they go to this kind of life of like
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Speaker 2: partying and living the life, and then they experienced it
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Speaker 2: so young that it has long term impacts, like kind
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Speaker 2: of for the rest of their life.
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Speaker 1: Boy, do we love a good success story. Like I
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Speaker 1: can't even think of his name, but the guy who
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Speaker 1: played Goldberg in Mighty Ducks. There was a lot of
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Speaker 1: going around on the internet about him a couple of
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Speaker 1: years ago, about how he was struggling with methmphetamine addiction
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Speaker 1: but was able to get his life together, he was
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Speaker 1: able to maintain a period of sobriety. Eddie, you got
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Speaker 1: his name for me? I hear you talking weis Sean Weiss.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, pretty recent right. He in again not
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Speaker 2: the limelight, but he brought back into like our lives
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Speaker 2: on social media and what's kind of happened to him.
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Speaker 2: He's also in the movie Heavyweights. You remember that movie,
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Speaker 2: Oh I love it was a good movie.
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Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite movies. Ben Stiller is
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Speaker 1: so funny.
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Speaker 2: And then that was a good one. They don't make
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Speaker 2: they don't make they don't make it.
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Speaker 1: They don't make us.
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Speaker 2: Hey, okay, you'd be proud of me for this. Recently,
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Speaker 2: it was finals week at work, so like as part
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Speaker 2: of it, sometimes the counting office will do, like there's
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Speaker 2: a thing long story short, there's the time where we
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Speaker 2: can do kind of like enrichment periods, like on the
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Speaker 2: day of finals, where kids can go study or they
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Speaker 2: can do something, they take a break, relax whatever. Uh.
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Speaker 2: And one of the school counselors wanted to do a movie,
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Speaker 2: so she just posted, Hey, we're gonna host a movie day.
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Speaker 2: We watched The Sandlot. Never seen it before, so I
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Speaker 2: watched The Sandlot. Some of those things don't age well
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Speaker 2: in that movie. I'll just say, really, there was a
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Speaker 2: couple of times We're like, don't do that, kids, Oh no,
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Speaker 2: don't do that. What's his name? The kid with the
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Speaker 2: glasses spins squints when he like forces himself upon the lifeguard. Right,
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Speaker 2: not great. Later in the movie when the kids do
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Speaker 2: like the chewing tobacco and then they like throw it right,
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Speaker 2: like so there's just a couple of things, or like
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Speaker 2: or when ham is like the worst the worst insult
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Speaker 2: you can tell someone is you play ball like a
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Speaker 2: girl on that. It's just some things where like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is like funny when we were younger, but yeah, overall,
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Speaker 2: good movie. It was. It was fun to watch.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing how quickly society has changed. Yeah, Eddie, when
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Speaker 1: you were a kid, did you want to be a star?
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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I wanted to be on all that. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 2: like I for sure. Uh now not so much, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: for sure.
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Speaker 1: Back in the day, me too, man, you know, especially
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Speaker 1: you know watching movies, you know, blank Check and Nickelodeon
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Speaker 1: was was at its peak when we were kids, and
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Speaker 1: it was just everything you saw kids having the most fun.
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Speaker 1: Now that I've grown up, I realized that stardom is
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Speaker 1: not always what it is made out to be. Did
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Speaker 1: you see quiet on set.
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Speaker 2: No, I haven't watched it. I've seen pieces of it,
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Speaker 2: and it's hard too because, like I mean, it's kind
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Speaker 2: of a good example of like what one person may
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Speaker 2: perceive as traumatic is not the same as everybody else, right,
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Speaker 2: because like I can't remember who exactly has come out
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Speaker 2: and been like I think Josh Peck might have been
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Speaker 2: one that was kind of like, no, he was just
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Speaker 2: a tough boss, but like other people are like no,
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Speaker 2: like he was fucking terrible. So it's creepy. I don't know,
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Speaker 2: you know, it's it's definitely you know, could also just
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Speaker 2: be an example of not wanting to relive traumatic experiences,
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Speaker 2: so we'll never fully know the truth and what really
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Speaker 2: went on. But it's definitely not it doesn't it. It really
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Speaker 2: helps to unfortunately like solidify some like preconceived notions of
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Speaker 2: like the dark side of Hollywood and stardom.
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Speaker 1: Anytime there's a power differential, there's the possibility for abuse,
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Speaker 1: and kids off some times have to work for very
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Speaker 1: powerful people in Hollywood and it opens them up to abuse.
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Speaker 1: So I think hopefully there are more protections in place
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Speaker 1: for those types of things, because it needs to change.
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Speaker 1: We need to have protections for kids. Yeah, okay, so
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Speaker 1: who else for some of your favorite like stars, your
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Speaker 1: child stars growing up?
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Speaker 2: We got a list, I mean I said all that, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you had the Keenan and Kel Show, you had Amanda Bynes,
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Speaker 2: I know, we had Lindsay Lohan on here, you got
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Speaker 2: like The Wizard, the Sprouse Twins, Hannah Montana, Miley Cyrus
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Speaker 2: was a big deal when we were younger. Like, there's
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Speaker 2: just a lot of like Drake and Josh, Miranda Crossgrove,
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Speaker 2: right II Carley, Yeah, there's just a lot like of
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Speaker 2: these names. Oh fucking that's okay. Anyway, that's a raven that. Like,
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Speaker 2: there's just a lot and even if you go back
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Speaker 2: a little, like they weren't necessarily children, but like Will
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Speaker 2: Smith right freshman, Yeah, did you ever watch Say by
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Speaker 2: the Bell? That was a little bit before our time,
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Speaker 2: but like as I got older, I would I watched
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Speaker 2: it more like those kids and say By the Bell,
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Speaker 2: Boy meets World.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, A crush onto Panga?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah who didn't now not so much. I've heard
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Speaker 2: some bad things about her, but yeah, well we'll get
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Speaker 2: into that some point. But yeah, it's there's a lot, right,
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Speaker 2: There's just like people who seem to be relatively in
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Speaker 2: our age that like you would just kind of see
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Speaker 2: and grow up and you see him for over expand
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Speaker 2: of time, and yeah, childhood child stardom was definitely something
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Speaker 2: that was seemed to really be intertwined right with our
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Speaker 2: with our upbringing.
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Speaker 1: Totally something that we were almost encouraged to idolize, something
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Speaker 1: that we're supposed to put on a pedestal.
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Speaker 2: What about music wise, we got a couple on here, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got some other music ones. I know we
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Speaker 1: talked Britney Spears, but Aaron Carter, he was one. Unfortunately
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Speaker 1: a little bow Wow.
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Speaker 3: Oh r and b Man Yeah, little Romeo remember Romeo.
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Speaker 2: Shit. Yeah, it's hard to because some people end up
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Speaker 2: feeling like they get not feeling like they just kind
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Speaker 2: of get like pigeonholed into like this, Like you were
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Speaker 2: like a young right, like a young star. I know,
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Speaker 2: bowow for sure, he's low bow Wow. Then he moved
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Speaker 2: to bow Wow. And like sometimes they don't have a
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Speaker 2: great transition. Then if you don't have a great transition
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Speaker 2: and then you don't have much else after, it can
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Speaker 2: be a pretty hard thing that kind of come back from.
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Speaker 1: And I know we talked a lot about it on
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Speaker 1: Our Athletes episode. Yeah, but athletes their identity is their
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Speaker 1: sport for so much of their lives from a young
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Speaker 1: age that when they start to reach that you know,
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Speaker 1: thirties forties time frame where they're not playing their sport,
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Speaker 1: it's a huge identity crisis for them. I'd have to
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Speaker 1: imagine it's just the same with child actors, especially if
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Speaker 1: the entire world remembers you for what you did when
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Speaker 1: you were a kid, that would be really hard to move.
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Speaker 3: On from beans from even Stevens, he has a very
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Speaker 3: like recognizable face and he has been recognized a lot
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Speaker 3: over the years, kind of.
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Speaker 2: Brought back because of things like TikTok. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if he really did any acting after that, so yeah,
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Speaker 2: I could.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, true. For example, Hailey Joel Osmond from The Sixth Sense,
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Lopnikki, Jonathan Taylor Thomas, like so many young people
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Speaker 1: in our lives were a huge part of our lives,
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Speaker 1: and some of them made it out. And I know
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Speaker 1: Hailey Joel Osmond's been doing some acting and he's a
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Speaker 1: pretty good actor. He's been doing a good job and
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Speaker 1: he's living a good life.
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Speaker 2: Hillary Duff, Right, there's man this, they're all kind of
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Speaker 2: coming back to me. Mm hmm, yeah, or what.
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Speaker 1: Were you like and all that? But any other favorite shows?
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Speaker 2: Hmmm? Were I I mean definitely would watch like the
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Speaker 2: Disney shows, Like I feel like there's more like like
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I think of like SpongeBob, right, but
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Speaker 2: that's not like with real people. Yeah, watch like our
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Speaker 2: Harley and stuff whatever, like Lizzie McGuire that came up
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Speaker 2: a lot. I don't know, They're just like a little
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Speaker 2: bit of everything. Yeah, yeah, what about.
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Speaker 1: You, Good Time to Be a Kid? A lot of cartoons,
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Speaker 1: Invader Zim I really liked it was a fun cartoon
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Speaker 1: ed ed Neddie.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The Disney movies too, the Disney original movies like
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Speaker 2: those are a big deal. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I know, we mentioned even Stevens and Shi La Bay and.
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Speaker 2: Even Stevens for sure. Boy Mee, how it's coming bout
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Speaker 2: Boy Meets World.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Clarissa explains it all. I really liked that
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Speaker 1: one too.
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Speaker 2: You know that got you. I support you.
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Speaker 1: So it seems like our culture, in our culture, child
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Speaker 1: stars are at an increased risk for addiction and mental
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Speaker 1: health problems. But like, is there actually any scientific data
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Speaker 1: on this? Is anyone actually really looked at this, so
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Speaker 1: I did a little bit of a dive. Most of
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Speaker 1: the data we'd like to present on this show I
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Speaker 1: get from NCBI or the National Center for Biomedical Information.
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Speaker 1: I try to look for meta analyzes, which is a
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Speaker 1: study of studies, so we try and present good data
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Speaker 1: on this show. But it was really hard to find
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Speaker 1: data on this topic. In terms of NCBI papers. There
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Speaker 1: was one that I found from nineteen ninety eight to
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Speaker 1: Report and Malane where they looked at seventy four different
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Speaker 1: child stars looking at the association between celebrity, parental attachment,
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Speaker 1: and adult adjustment. So those are the three associations they're
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Speaker 1: looking for. They found that when parents act as managers,
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Speaker 1: if they had a secure attachment with their parent, there
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Speaker 1: was actually no association between celebrity and adult adjustment. So
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Speaker 1: if you had a good attachment, a healthy relationship with
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Speaker 1: your parents, you tended to be a healthy adult. But
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Speaker 1: if you had a really insecure attachment style, there was
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Speaker 1: a huge association between celebrity and adult adjustment, more than
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Speaker 1: just the general population. But other than that, there was
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Speaker 1: one other study that I found, and it was an
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Speaker 1: article from twenty eleven that was like a pay article,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I just I didn't know if someone
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Speaker 1: wants to bend Momi fifty bucks or something. Fifty bucks
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Speaker 1: papers online to access them are expensive unless you get
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Speaker 1: them for free.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I.
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Speaker 1: Don't even know how much it was. It was probably
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Speaker 1: around fifty bucks.
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Speaker 2: But I mean they deserve to be paid for their work,
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Speaker 2: but I mean finny bucks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do they got? Terrorists on these articles or
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Speaker 1: so shit? So there's not much going on in terms
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Speaker 1: of academically rigorous papers on this topic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my guess is, as you were sharing, like, there's
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Speaker 2: probably not a whole lot of like funding or grants
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Speaker 2: that are going towards like, hey, tell us more about
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Speaker 2: the impact of being a child start, Like that's not
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Speaker 2: really something people I won't really want to pay money for, right,
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Speaker 2: Like research wise, I can't imagine that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like something that the government wouldn't want
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Speaker 1: to spend money on. Like, yeah, we got to study
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Speaker 1: these child stars.
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Speaker 2: Well, we can give you, guys our guesses on what
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Speaker 2: it was like for people to be a child star,
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Speaker 2: but one of the best ways to tell you about
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Speaker 2: it is to hear from the people who experienced it.
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Speaker 2: So these quotes. The fallen quotes are going to be
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Speaker 2: from Elite Daily. The first one is Zendeia. She was
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Speaker 2: in her early teens when her acting career took off.
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Speaker 2: Now she's dating Spider Man or Tom Holland, and she
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Speaker 2: was writing sand Worms. I watched a little bit of
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Speaker 2: doing I don't understand, you know. I tried to read
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Speaker 2: the book. I read like three pages, like, I don't
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Speaker 2: know any of these names. I'm not writing this shit,
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Speaker 2: and I stopped so anyway, so she's come a long way.
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Speaker 2: But a quote from Vogue Magaze from a Vogue Magazine
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Speaker 2: interview that she had about being a child star, she said,
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Speaker 2: I don't know how much of a choice I had.
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Speaker 2: I have complicated feelings about kids and fame and being
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Speaker 2: in the public eye or being a child actor. I
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Speaker 2: want to say that I felt like I was thrust
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Speaker 2: into a very adult position. I was becoming the breadwinner
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Speaker 2: of my family very early, and there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: role reversal happening and just kind of becoming grown. Really,
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Speaker 2: the role reversal changes dynamics in the family and can
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Speaker 2: give children power over the parents, and they can use
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Speaker 2: their income as leverage. I think this is going to
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Speaker 2: be a good opportunity for me to talk about this.
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Speaker 2: I told Justin. Then I had a little bit of
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Speaker 2: a surprise. I did a little more research on how
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Speaker 2: because I've heard about this. I've heard about this through
18:29
Speaker 2: different like child actors on like social media interviews and
18:34
Speaker 2: things that they've done. If you're not familiar. In California,
18:37
Speaker 2: they have the Coogan Law or the Cougan Act. It
18:40
Speaker 2: was basically enacted to prevent parents and guardians from misusing
18:43
Speaker 2: their child's earnings. Specifically to California, but there's other states
18:47
Speaker 2: that have something similar, like in New York, Illinois, Louisiana,
18:50
Speaker 2: and New Mexico. It was named after child actor Jackie Coogan,
18:54
Speaker 2: who had discovered that as an adult that her parents
18:58
Speaker 2: that his parents actually had at nearly all of his earnings.
19:02
Speaker 2: So basically what it is. It requires that money be
19:05
Speaker 2: put into what it's called a Cougan account. It's a
19:07
Speaker 2: trust that they can access when they turn eighteen the
19:10
Speaker 2: child star, but only fifteen percent of the earnings have
19:14
Speaker 2: to be put in. They can obviously put more, but
19:16
Speaker 2: the requirement is fifteen right, So that sounds great, but
19:20
Speaker 2: the hard part is that eighty five percent of the
19:21
Speaker 2: money is still accessible to parents and guardians, so they
19:24
Speaker 2: can definitely misuse it. Unfortunately, and it's not an uncommon thing.
19:28
Speaker 2: We've heard about people becoming eighteen getting ready to get
19:31
Speaker 2: their money and then there's just not a whole lot
19:34
Speaker 2: of money left and it really sucks from Unfortunately, there's
19:37
Speaker 2: not really a federal standard when it comes to the
19:39
Speaker 2: Cougan law. It only pertains to certain states. Without it,
19:43
Speaker 2: parents kind of have full access to the child's earnings.
19:46
Speaker 2: One thing I also learned is that while the money
19:48
Speaker 2: is meant to be untouchable, parents can find ways to
19:51
Speaker 2: withdraw the money. They can claim things like financial hardship.
19:54
Speaker 2: They can say that they have to fund personal expenses
19:57
Speaker 2: or investments, so that kind of stuff can get taken of.
20:00
Speaker 2: There's really not a whole lot of oversighter enforcement. It's
20:04
Speaker 2: just not great. So in terms of money, there is
20:08
Speaker 2: some kind of risk when it comes to what is
20:11
Speaker 2: a parent going to do with their child's money if
20:13
Speaker 2: they end up being like the breadwinner and who's going
20:16
Speaker 2: to take care of all of that?
20:18
Speaker 1: Well, you learned me something today, Bam.
20:22
Speaker 2: That's all I wanted. That's all I wanted.
20:25
Speaker 1: When you were talking about I googled Jackie Coogan. He's
20:28
Speaker 1: an old time actor born in nineteen fourteen. He was
20:31
Speaker 1: the kid in Charlie Chaplin's film The Kid, So he
20:36
Speaker 1: was a big actor back in the day. But I
20:38
Speaker 1: didn't even really know who he was.
20:39
Speaker 2: There you go, he apparently had all his money taken unfortunately.
20:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's so sad, right, you know, you think
20:46
Speaker 1: these kids are going to be set for life, but
20:48
Speaker 1: unfortunately there's lots of stories about parents mismanaging their children's finances.
21:01
Speaker 2: You know. And I think you bring up a great point.
21:03
Speaker 2: I think there's also the assumption that, like child stars
21:06
Speaker 2: got paid like a fuck ton of money. I feel like,
21:09
Speaker 2: and I'll look this up while you share the next part,
21:11
Speaker 2: but I feel like I had heard from Josh Peck
21:14
Speaker 2: again from Drake and Josh, that his career earnings was
21:18
Speaker 2: not a ton. There actually were not as many episodes
21:20
Speaker 2: as you would think there were. You would think there's
21:22
Speaker 2: like hundreds and hundreds of episodes, but there really weren't
21:25
Speaker 2: that many episodes of Drake and Joss Drake and Josh. So,
21:28
Speaker 2: like the money, while yes, is a huge amount, it's
21:31
Speaker 2: not It didn't doesn't seem like it was an amount
21:33
Speaker 2: that was like your life is set for the rest
21:35
Speaker 2: of your life.
21:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember even here in some in sync some
21:40
Speaker 1: of the like Lance Bass, I think was doing an
21:42
Speaker 1: interview where he said that he was in the one
21:45
Speaker 1: of the biggest bands, boy bands in the world. They
21:49
Speaker 1: were on top of the world. He was working his
21:51
Speaker 1: butt off, but essentially he was making like minimum wage
21:54
Speaker 1: that his manager was taking almost all of the cut
21:57
Speaker 1: from everything that they were making. And so yeah, kids
22:00
Speaker 1: tend to get abused in his business and will not
22:03
Speaker 1: make as much as they deserve.
22:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, so here I found the numbers. So Josh Peck
22:08
Speaker 2: he said that he earned about fifteen thousand dollars an episode.
22:11
Speaker 2: How many episodes do you think there were of Drake
22:13
Speaker 2: and Josh forty three? There's sixty. I thought I was
22:17
Speaker 2: probably gonna say something like a hundred some anyway, So
22:20
Speaker 2: there's only four seasons and sixty episodes. Isn't that wild?
22:23
Speaker 2: I thought there was a lot more. But yeah, he's
22:25
Speaker 2: said he only earned about nine hundred thousand dollars in
22:28
Speaker 2: the show's entirety, and then after taxes and fees, he
22:33
Speaker 2: was only left with about four hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
22:35
Speaker 2: which I say only right, Like, that's a life changing
22:38
Speaker 2: amount of money, But that's not enough to live on
22:40
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life, even if you like
22:42
Speaker 2: invested it right correct.
22:45
Speaker 1: Not, especially because at the time he was probably supporting
22:48
Speaker 1: his family too. Yeah, dang, Yeah, that's not nearly as
22:52
Speaker 1: much as I would have anticipated. Yeah, but someone who
22:55
Speaker 1: probably earned a lot more money because she was such
22:58
Speaker 1: a huge movie star was Linda Lohan. She was twelve
23:02
Speaker 1: years old when The Parent Trap came out and made
23:05
Speaker 1: her a national icon. I always think it's so funny
23:08
Speaker 1: that I had like a huge crush on Lindsay Lohan
23:10
Speaker 1: because of The Parent Trap. Then my dad told me
23:13
Speaker 1: that he really liked the original Parent Trap from like
23:16
Speaker 1: the sixties and had a huge crush on the girl
23:18
Speaker 1: in that one too. It was like father likes and
23:20
Speaker 1: phone for the Parent Trap girls. So one quote from
23:24
Speaker 1: her about her life and career, she said, I feel
23:28
Speaker 1: like some of my work got overshadowed by paparazzi and
23:32
Speaker 1: all of that kind of stuff when I was younger,
23:33
Speaker 1: and that's kind of annoying. I wish that part didn't happen.
23:37
Speaker 1: They teach you to say yes to everything, and that's
23:40
Speaker 1: not really what life is all about. I was recording
23:44
Speaker 1: an album in my trailer on the set of the
23:46
Speaker 1: movie Herbie the love Bug, and I was promoting an
23:49
Speaker 1: album while shooting. I remember this so specifically. I had
23:52
Speaker 1: to go to the dentist, and I had no time
23:54
Speaker 1: to go to the dentist, but something happened with my tooth,
23:58
Speaker 1: so the dentist had to come see me. It was
24:00
Speaker 1: just so much all the time.
24:02
Speaker 2: Hillary Duff. We mentioned her earlier, probably most famously known
24:06
Speaker 2: for her role in Lizzie McGuire as Lizzie McGuire on Disney,
24:10
Speaker 2: She more recently was than How I Met Your Father.
24:12
Speaker 2: I tried to watch it because I was a big
24:13
Speaker 2: How I Met Your Mother fan didn't get too far
24:16
Speaker 2: into it, but that's okay. We're still big. We support
24:18
Speaker 2: Hillary Duff. From an interview with Cosmopolitan in twenty twenty two,
24:23
Speaker 2: she said, I wouldn't do it all exactly the same,
24:27
Speaker 2: but I can't look at my life and be like,
24:29
Speaker 2: I wish this was different, because I don't know if
24:31
Speaker 2: it would get me to where I am right now.
24:34
Speaker 2: She went on to say that I feel smart, but
24:36
Speaker 2: there are certain things that people talk about where it
24:38
Speaker 2: literally isn't in my brain because I didn't experience it.
24:41
Speaker 2: So thinking about probably regular school, college and the interview,
24:45
Speaker 2: she was specifically talking about things like college, but there's
24:48
Speaker 2: a lot of things that she didn't get to experience.
24:51
Speaker 2: Even so it's really making me think maybe the different
24:55
Speaker 2: version of child stars that we have today is child influencers,
24:59
Speaker 2: like on social media. I don't know if you've heard
25:03
Speaker 2: about this. I think in California there's legislation or laws
25:08
Speaker 2: where you basically like can't profit off of your children
25:11
Speaker 2: or off of minors from like social media or media
25:14
Speaker 2: or whatever. So a lot of these families have started
25:17
Speaker 2: to move to Tennessee, specifically Nashville, Tennessee. I don't exactly
25:21
Speaker 2: know why Nashville, but it's not it's it seems to
25:25
Speaker 2: be a pretty common thing. So what that's making me
25:27
Speaker 2: think about this is gonna sound so stupid if you've
25:29
Speaker 2: never seen it on TikTok Oh my god, Okay.
25:34
Speaker 1: Please don't taye skippity toilet. Please don't say no, no, no
25:36
Speaker 1: no no.
25:37
Speaker 2: This might be better. Did you ever see the video
25:40
Speaker 2: of like We're costc guys blah blah blah, Like we
25:43
Speaker 2: we go and of course we get a chicken bake
25:46
Speaker 2: while we go shopping, and the Dad's like, we're costc guys,
25:49
Speaker 2: you gotta get a double chocolate chip chunk cookie. Anyway,
25:52
Speaker 2: this is so stupid. Anyway, that's a J and Big Justice.
25:57
Speaker 2: It's the father son duo and I saw a TikTok
26:00
Speaker 2: a little while back. We're Big Justice. The Sun said
26:04
Speaker 2: that he's not able to go to school anymore because
26:07
Speaker 2: kids are coming up to him all the time, trying
26:10
Speaker 2: to like get him in videos, trying to do things
26:12
Speaker 2: with him that like he was just a distraction at school.
26:15
Speaker 2: So now he might have to live a life for
26:17
Speaker 2: at least a certain amount of time where he doesn't
26:19
Speaker 2: live the same life that his friends are living, and
26:21
Speaker 2: he has to experience things in different ways. So yeah,
26:23
Speaker 2: maybe maybe child stars have shifted. It's more of a
26:26
Speaker 2: social media thing than it is full on acting.
26:30
Speaker 1: Oh totally yeah. And I have to admit I don't
26:33
Speaker 1: know as much about who are the super popular social
26:36
Speaker 1: media stars right now.
26:38
Speaker 2: Aj aj Big.
26:40
Speaker 1: I've never heard of the Rizzler.
26:42
Speaker 2: He never heard of my boy the Rizzler. I've never
26:44
Speaker 2: heard of the rizzle damn it.
26:46
Speaker 1: Justin, I just I get everything secondhand through all my patients,
26:51
Speaker 1: and it's.
26:51
Speaker 2: All just this chronically online. Okay, I'm gonna see if
27:00
Speaker 2: I can find that law. I'll share it when I
27:04
Speaker 2: find it.
27:05
Speaker 1: Okay. Up next on the list we have mister Cole Sprouse.
27:09
Speaker 1: So he got his start as Ben Geller on Friends.
27:14
Speaker 1: He was Ross's child. He was literally a toddler when
27:17
Speaker 1: he started acting in TV, and in an interview with
27:22
Speaker 1: the podcast Call Her Daddy, which my wife is a
27:25
Speaker 1: big fan of, in March of twenty twenty three, he
27:28
Speaker 1: said it was in many ways a life saving show.
27:33
Speaker 1: It provided us with an amount of stability and consistency
27:36
Speaker 1: and routine that really was needed for my brother and
27:38
Speaker 1: I at the time. I think there's two types of
27:41
Speaker 1: kids within the acting child business. There's the thespian child
27:46
Speaker 1: who actually chooses to do it, and then there's the
27:49
Speaker 1: working class kids that in their case, in Cole Sprouse's case,
27:54
Speaker 1: it started as a way to put bread on the table,
27:57
Speaker 1: and that hit me. But a lot of these kids
28:02
Speaker 1: they're not really choosing to do it. Their parents are
28:04
Speaker 1: doing it because they're looking for a stable income. They're
28:07
Speaker 1: looking for a way to support and feed their family.
28:10
Speaker 1: Especially if you have a toddler. You know, the toddler's
28:12
Speaker 1: not like, hey, I want to be a Jack Nicholson
28:14
Speaker 1: one day.
28:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is. It's kind of hard to
28:20
Speaker 2: think of it as like a like survival. We have
28:24
Speaker 2: all the kids. Yeah, does it means it is?
28:29
Speaker 1: Cole later went on to say that, you know, my
28:31
Speaker 1: parents didn't come from too much, and I have now
28:34
Speaker 1: been granted a life of primarily financial stability and a
28:37
Speaker 1: surplus in many cases. And this is the bright product
28:40
Speaker 1: of working for thirty years and trading in my childhood.
28:44
Speaker 1: So though he admitted to having some resentment over it
28:47
Speaker 1: over his childhood as an actor, he said that he
28:49
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't do anything differently, and he said, I don't
28:52
Speaker 1: regret it at all. If I were given the same
28:54
Speaker 1: choices again, I'd probably do it all over again. So
28:57
Speaker 1: interesting to get his take on it.
28:59
Speaker 2: That is interesting. Here's what I found so in here
29:03
Speaker 2: it is. In September September of twenty twenty four, a
29:06
Speaker 2: law was passed in California that basically mirrored the Cougan
29:11
Speaker 2: Act or the Cougan Law, but added like social media influencers.
29:17
Speaker 2: So basically the tagline is new California law to require
29:21
Speaker 2: influencer parents to set aside money for their kids, and
29:24
Speaker 2: right below is influencers in California who include their children
29:26
Speaker 2: in post will not have to put money away for them.
29:30
Speaker 2: And then there's a Rolling Stone article about it basically
29:35
Speaker 2: saying the same thing. And so it's kind of like
29:38
Speaker 2: this this out loud secret that like Tennessee is a
29:43
Speaker 2: place where you don't have to follow this. Tennessee also
29:46
Speaker 2: doesn't have a state income tax, so I think they're
29:48
Speaker 2: kind of taking advantage of all those things of not
29:50
Speaker 2: having to set aside I mean pretty much taking advantage
29:53
Speaker 2: of the kids. But anyway, yeah, it's interesting that it's
29:56
Speaker 2: shifted a lot, like that's a they kind of have
29:58
Speaker 2: to change the law with what's going on. So those
30:01
Speaker 2: were some kind of like some positives some mixed reactions
30:06
Speaker 2: of being a child star, but there's some negative ones too,
30:09
Speaker 2: And one that I at least want to talk about
30:11
Speaker 2: first is Jeanette mccurty. So if you ever watched I Carly,
30:15
Speaker 2: she was sam on the show from reading her book,
30:18
Speaker 2: her memoir titled I'm Glad My Mom Died. She was
30:21
Speaker 2: also actually on another show I think was it with
30:23
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande like she Sam can't Yes, that's the one. Yes,
30:28
Speaker 2: so that that also came out. But basically she just
30:31
Speaker 2: talked about how it was a very difficult and pretty
30:35
Speaker 2: much abusive time with her mom as she was becoming
30:38
Speaker 2: a childhood star. So in twenty twenty two, she gave
30:42
Speaker 2: an interview to Canada's CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Company, and
30:46
Speaker 2: if any Canadians are out there listening, please know that
30:49
Speaker 2: we love Canada. We apologize for the ship that's going
30:53
Speaker 2: on where Sorry, but yeah. Her quote is that no
30:59
Speaker 2: child is psychological, emotionally, mentally equipped for the obstacles of
31:02
Speaker 2: child stardom, even if they have the greatest support system
31:05
Speaker 2: around them, just not really prepared. She really she feels
31:08
Speaker 2: very strongly about it. So more specifics from her book
31:11
Speaker 2: if you've never read it, She basically just details her
31:14
Speaker 2: life with her mom basically making her child star like
31:19
Speaker 2: kind of forcing her into it, like always taking her
31:22
Speaker 2: to auditions, basically forcing her to not gain any extra weight.
31:27
Speaker 2: Her mom knew that if you kept a childlike body
31:33
Speaker 2: and figure that there was more kind of opportunities to
31:36
Speaker 2: break in that way, So her mom would would pretty
31:39
Speaker 2: much not let her eat that kind of spos her
31:42
Speaker 2: into an eating disorder, a lot of manipulation, just a
31:46
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. And it was to the point when
31:47
Speaker 2: even when her mom was diagnosed with cancer and her
31:50
Speaker 2: mom died, like she didn't really have a whole lot
31:53
Speaker 2: of like I don't know if she really hurt over it,
31:56
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like she was so abused
31:58
Speaker 2: that it just wasn't it wasn't what. She didn't have
32:01
Speaker 2: a lot of feelings with it. So I read that
32:03
Speaker 2: book a year or two ago. Really sad, really interesting.
32:07
Speaker 2: She talks about treatment and trying to get her life back,
32:10
Speaker 2: but you can definitely tell in some interviews that she's
32:14
Speaker 2: been pretty messed up because of it.
32:15
Speaker 1: To add on that point, I remember watching All Quiet
32:18
Speaker 1: on the set, and a lot of those Nickelodeon stars,
32:21
Speaker 1: as soon as they hit puberty and they started to
32:23
Speaker 1: grow up and their body started to change, they were
32:26
Speaker 1: essentially pushed out or forced out of their positions and shows.
32:30
Speaker 1: Contracts were not renewed. And it's just it's sad, you know,
32:34
Speaker 1: because they think that they're on the show. They think
32:36
Speaker 1: you've got this family in this show, and then as
32:40
Speaker 1: soon as they don't fit the mold that they're supposed
32:42
Speaker 1: to they're out of there.
32:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's tough. Oh another show, full House, in
32:47
Speaker 2: a full house. Oh yeah, may Kin Nashley Olsen. Yeah,
32:52
Speaker 2: other pretty early on child stars.
32:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, very much so. Another real young one, Raven Simone,
32:59
Speaker 1: started acting at three years old on The Cosby Show.
33:02
Speaker 1: Trust us. We're not going to make any Bill Cosby
33:04
Speaker 1: jokes right now. From a Vanity Fair interview in twenty
33:08
Speaker 1: twenty three, she said, I was taught to always be
33:11
Speaker 1: on time early, know my lines, smile when someone wants
33:15
Speaker 1: to take a picture with you, always say yes, and
33:18
Speaker 1: know that every part of my life will be scrutinized
33:21
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. Yeah, that one hit me.
33:25
Speaker 2: Too hard man. Yeah. Yeah, she's on one of those
33:29
Speaker 2: daily talk shows now too, right, isn't the viewerm I'm
33:32
Speaker 2: making that up? Or she was at some point.
33:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's had a pretty good career.
33:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, that's I mean, to have to deal
33:40
Speaker 2: with that at a young age is awful.
33:42
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Lindsay Lohan had said, right that
33:44
Speaker 1: they're taught to always say yes, which is not healthy.
33:50
Speaker 1: It doesn't teach you boundaries, it doesn't teach you how
33:54
Speaker 1: to protect yourself. It just teaches you how to say
33:57
Speaker 1: yes to everything, which can get you in some pretty
33:59
Speaker 1: rough situations.
34:01
Speaker 2: I'll let you wrap us up on the last one
34:02
Speaker 2: because I know you're interested in sharing.
34:05
Speaker 1: Mccullay Culkin. I loved mccullay culkin growing up, so he
34:10
Speaker 1: started acting at age four, got famous in the movie
34:13
Speaker 1: Uncle Buck with John Candy. Loved that movie. He was
34:16
Speaker 1: the first child star to earn a million dollars for
34:19
Speaker 1: a single movie, so it was big money for a
34:22
Speaker 1: child star. And I know we've talked a lot about
34:25
Speaker 1: kids and parents mismanaging their money. Actually emancipated himself at
34:30
Speaker 1: the age of fourteen, citing that his father had mismanaged
34:33
Speaker 1: his money and abused him. I tried to dive a
34:36
Speaker 1: little bit and see if he made any other claims
34:39
Speaker 1: about the specific abuse, but didn't find anything. He also
34:41
Speaker 1: struggled with some opioids in his life. He was arrested
34:46
Speaker 1: at one point and had oxy cotone on him. But
34:49
Speaker 1: he has a good career. He's beloved in our community.
34:54
Speaker 1: He's married to Brenda Song, who was also a child
34:56
Speaker 1: star Disney star growing up. I think she was also
34:58
Speaker 1: on Sweet life of acting Cody and they have a
35:01
Speaker 1: son together. So I just really wanted to talk about
35:04
Speaker 1: Macaulay Culkin because I love that.
35:07
Speaker 2: He's definitely had a bounce buck. It's definitely been able
35:10
Speaker 2: to redeem himself, which is which is great, especially after
35:13
Speaker 2: living a life like that. But given everything we've talked about,
35:18
Speaker 2: are we are we letting young Liam be a childhood actor?
35:21
Speaker 2: What's the what's the plan?
35:25
Speaker 1: Probably not my son Liam. If if he was like
35:29
Speaker 1: super into acting and really wanted to do it, I
35:32
Speaker 1: would say, Okay, let's do it. But we got to
35:35
Speaker 1: make sure you stay safe in all of this and
35:38
Speaker 1: make sure he's supervised, has the right support, has the
35:41
Speaker 1: right supervision, all that stuff. But what about little Leddy
35:45
Speaker 1: Junior when he's you.
35:46
Speaker 2: Know, eventually imaginary unless you're going to bring in the
35:52
Speaker 2: big books, which.
35:57
Speaker 1: You can't even benefit from if if you're in California. Oh,
36:03
Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. Another thing I want to ask too,
36:07
Speaker 1: is like, it seems like there's a big difference in
36:10
Speaker 1: male versus female child stars, and so I wanted to
36:14
Speaker 1: just discuss a little bit. It seems like there's always
36:16
Speaker 1: somewhat of a sexual element with the females in particular,
36:21
Speaker 1: and that kind of pressure and sexuality sexualization from older
36:28
Speaker 1: men at such a young age is not a healthy thing.
36:32
Speaker 1: It's not a good thing. And I think it really
36:34
Speaker 1: puts a lot of young women in a position where
36:38
Speaker 1: a they're told to say yes all the time, and
36:41
Speaker 1: then they're in a position where they have a lot
36:42
Speaker 1: of older, creepy men fawning over them, and it's it's
36:46
Speaker 1: a system set up for abuse.
36:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think to not only that, but just
36:51
Speaker 2: like the constant like you have to look a certain way,
36:56
Speaker 2: the probably pressures you're getting for maybe if you're a
36:59
Speaker 2: child star working with older adults, I feel like unfortunately,
37:03
Speaker 2: like female actresses probably get a lot more of the
37:08
Speaker 2: difficult things that they have to deal with in terms
37:10
Speaker 2: of pressure and body image issues and deal with all
37:13
Speaker 2: of that. Like I think we see a lot of
37:14
Speaker 2: our team girls are already struggling with that in our regular
37:17
Speaker 2: life in Hollywood, and through acting it's probably exponentially worse.
37:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, seems like it. So one of the other points
37:27
Speaker 1: I wanted to make too, was it seems like a
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Speaker 1: two factor thing where yes, it seems like child stars
37:36
Speaker 1: are slightly more likely to struggle with drugs and alcohol. Yeah,
37:40
Speaker 1: they got all the money, all the fame young, they
37:43
Speaker 1: have power, they have money to buy drugs and alcohol,
37:47
Speaker 1: but they're also under a microscope constantly. So if things
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Speaker 1: go south, you better bet your bottom dollar TMZ is
37:55
Speaker 1: going to be outside of their door with a camera
37:57
Speaker 1: and an asshole Oh yeah, asking questions, trying to get
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Speaker 1: a rise out of them. So we get that bias.
38:04
Speaker 1: We only see the ones that go downhill. We don't
38:06
Speaker 1: get as many of the success stories. I think it's important,
38:10
Speaker 1: and we wanted to throw in a lot of quotes
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Speaker 1: from people who have had successful careers, who have had
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Speaker 1: relatively healthy adult lives that it's not all bad, but
38:23
Speaker 1: it can be bad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think too, like for sure, like these people,
38:27
Speaker 2: people love to see people not doing well unfortunately right
38:31
Speaker 2: news wise, TMZ. I mean when Kobe died, like TMZ
38:36
Speaker 2: was all over it, right, they weren't even confirming shit,
38:38
Speaker 2: and apparently someone from ten Z like got a picture
38:41
Speaker 2: of them. You know, there's just so much like people
38:44
Speaker 2: love to see people not doing well social media news.
38:47
Speaker 2: Why so imagine that kind of pressure on an adult, Yeah,
38:51
Speaker 2: it really sucks, but on a child fucking terrible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And in America, it's very simple. It's just whatever
38:58
Speaker 1: makes you money is going to be what do Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and there's gonna be someone trying to exploit someone else
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Speaker 1: for money.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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Speaker 1: Always take home point for the day, my friend.
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Speaker 2: Take home point. Real ones know that Nickelodeon was fifty three,
39:13
Speaker 2: Cartoon Network fifty four, Disney fifty five. No, I think
39:19
Speaker 2: something like this, like you, like we talked about we
39:22
Speaker 2: like to have the intersection of pop culture and mental
39:25
Speaker 2: health and our work. I feel like I learned a
39:28
Speaker 2: decent amount just hearing from the child actors themselves through interviews.
39:32
Speaker 2: Young Eddie probably would be surprised at how much it's
39:35
Speaker 2: not all glamour as I probably assumed it was. That's
39:38
Speaker 2: probably my take home point. It's not as it's not
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Speaker 2: as glamorous a life as we think it is.
39:43
Speaker 1: You know, we never got slimmed, And.
39:47
Speaker 2: You're right, and that heart there was that show? What
39:53
Speaker 2: was that one? It was like it was like a
39:57
Speaker 2: game show for kids, and there was like the Temple
39:59
Speaker 2: of what ever.
40:00
Speaker 1: The Legends of the Hidden Temple legs.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to be on that show. I also wanted
40:05
Speaker 2: to be on Supermarket sweep, So I don't.
40:06
Speaker 1: Know if oh, yeah, it's just game shows I wanted. Yeah,
40:12
Speaker 1: Doubledare that was super fun.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it was just an.
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Speaker 1: Awesome era for TV and for kids. My take home
40:21
Speaker 1: point for the day is that I learned that not
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Speaker 1: all child stars had a bad experience, and some people
40:26
Speaker 1: would actually do the same thing. Many of them were
40:29
Speaker 1: just trying to support their families. I think that's probably
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Speaker 1: like my biggest take home point is that a lot
40:35
Speaker 1: of child stars are putting bread on the table. They're
40:38
Speaker 1: looking out for their people. But Hollywood has the types
40:42
Speaker 1: of people that if you promise them a drop of blood,
40:44
Speaker 1: they will bleed every ounce of you just to make
40:47
Speaker 1: a dollar. So you got to be really careful if
40:50
Speaker 1: your kid is a rising star.
40:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they just on the street.
40:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as they're done with you.
40:57
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