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Six Year Anniversary and Our Trip to Portugal · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to MMHC, your go to mental health podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Eddie Koreo, a licensed professional counselor.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Justin Romano, a Board certified Child and Adolescent psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 2: We created MMHC to give listeners evidence based information directly
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  Speaker 2: from professionals who work in mental health.
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  Speaker 1: We're not influencers, we're not trying to sell you anything.
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  Speaker 1: We just want to bring love, empathy, and understanding of
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  Speaker 1: mental health into this world.
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  Speaker 2: And we really think that learning about mental health should
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  Speaker 2: be fun, interesting, and most importantly honest.
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  Speaker 1: So thanks for tuning in. This is a show by
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  Speaker 1: two millennials, but it is intended to be for everyone.
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  Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy the show. MMHC is a production
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  Speaker 1: of Speaker from iHeartMedia, I heartma Ala.
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  Speaker 2: It's been almost almost two months. We're closing in on
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  Speaker 2: two months no episode. It is like the longest stretch
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  Speaker 2: we've had.
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  Speaker 1: I know, and surprisingly like our downloads have still been
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  Speaker 1: going strong, so we have. We've got to thank you
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  Speaker 1: the listeners out there for for continuing to listen and
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  Speaker 1: keep on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the only stretch that was longer without us dropping
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  Speaker 2: an episode was the time before we started wow in
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  Speaker 2: the before time, yeah, before common era, right, BCE or
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  Speaker 2: what is it? B C A D. But then the
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  Speaker 2: other was BCE and then CE before common era after.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, right of course before our common era.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I paid attention at some point in some type
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  Speaker 2: of history. Well, if you fall us on the Instagram,
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  Speaker 2: you saw that we we posted we're taking a quick break,
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  Speaker 2: and we promised it was for a good reason, and
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  Speaker 2: so now we'd like to we want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the reason, but we also want to reflect on the
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  Speaker 2: last six years in mental health. So that's it'll be
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  Speaker 2: kind of a two parter today. We're going to reflect
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  Speaker 2: on what's gone on since started the show, and we
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  Speaker 2: just want to share a little bit about what the
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  Speaker 2: fuck we've been doing. Where the fuck have we've been at?
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  Speaker 2: So I think we should start there. What do you
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  Speaker 2: think I like it? Yeah? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Back in March, we were approached by a lady named Becky,
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  Speaker 1: our new friend, our new friend and yes, very good friend,
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  Speaker 1: who works for a company called Sword Health, and they
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  Speaker 1: were looking for some very handsome men podcasters or whether
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  Speaker 1: they called us the talent we thought was very funny. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they were looking for people to record mental health educational
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  Speaker 1: videos and so they actually reached out to us. So
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  Speaker 1: after agreeing to it, we found out that we would
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  Speaker 1: actually be filming in Porto, Portugal.
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  Speaker 2: Big surprise, Yeah, huge surprise.
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  Speaker 1: We were pretty pumped. We're like wait, we get so
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  Speaker 1: like good and they paid us, so this was like
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  Speaker 1: a paid gig, which is huge for broadcasters. And they
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  Speaker 1: were like, oh, we get to go somewhere and like
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  Speaker 1: go to a really cool place or like Porto was
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  Speaker 1: beautiful my.
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  Speaker 2: First time in Europe. So that was a very cool introduction.
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  Speaker 2: I think the other thing with Sword Health we should
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  Speaker 2: plug them at least a little bit. Sword Health is
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  Speaker 2: a kind of like health wellness tech company. They specialized
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  Speaker 2: in at home physical therapy. They also have a big
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  Speaker 2: section of like women's health and women's wellness, so that's
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  Speaker 2: a big portion of what they do. And they also
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  Speaker 2: have this thing called Academy, and in Academy they have
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  Speaker 2: a ton of just content, whether it's physical therapy related,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's women's health and wellness, they just have a
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  Speaker 2: ton of content. And so that's kind of where Justin
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  Speaker 2: and I came in. They have some mental health content
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  Speaker 2: they wanted to expand it and we're very lucky that
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  Speaker 2: Becky has actually been one of our listeners for a
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  Speaker 2: chunk of time. I think in the email she sent
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  Speaker 2: us it was back when I had a shitty mic,
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  Speaker 2: and that was a while ago, so she's been listening
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. So again, shout out to Becky
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  Speaker 2: for reaching out thinking of us, and because of that,
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  Speaker 2: we got to do a pretty cool thing. We spent
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  Speaker 2: about a week in Porto, Portugal, three days of work.
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  Speaker 2: We had a great production crew. We filmed a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of content filmed, and we recorded some so I think
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  Speaker 2: all in all, Justin you recorded about eight episodes. I
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  Speaker 2: think I did seven or eight. We did a for
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  Speaker 2: the first time. I don't know if we can really
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  Speaker 2: talk about No one said we couldn't. We were not
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  Speaker 2: giving specifics. We did a very cool, like pretty much
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  Speaker 2: long form video podcast for them. We recorded some audio stuff.
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  Speaker 2: We just did a ton of stuff. We've never done
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  Speaker 2: this before, anything like this. We had hair, we had makeup,
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  Speaker 2: we had wardrobe. It was the whole shebang. As some
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  Speaker 2: would say, it was everything again, super cool experience. Just
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  Speaker 2: to get to fly to Porto, Portugal together, which is
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  Speaker 2: super cool. I mean, Justin and I talked about this
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  Speaker 2: in the time of our show, we've seen each other
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  Speaker 2: in person like three times.
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  Speaker 1: Two times. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: So and for a portion of the show it was
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  Speaker 2: COVID and we'll talk more about COVID a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but for a portion of the show, nobody could leave
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  Speaker 2: their house. So there's that too. We've only seen each
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  Speaker 2: other a couple of times, so not only to get
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  Speaker 2: to see each other again, we got to bring our
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  Speaker 2: significant others who got to spend time together. The hospitality,
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  Speaker 2: everything was there. It was fucking cool. So anyway, if
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  Speaker 2: if again a plug to Sword Health, if if you
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  Speaker 2: may have it as part of your employer provided benefits,
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  Speaker 2: you should look into it. They're great, they were amazing
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  Speaker 2: to work with. It was it was cool, it was
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  Speaker 2: it was hard work. It was I would say it
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  Speaker 2: definitely pushed us. It was different for us. It was
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  Speaker 2: definitely a new experience, but man, it was it was
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  Speaker 2: really fucking cool.
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  Speaker 1: We walked in the first day and they had an
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  Speaker 1: entire room full of clothes for us and they're like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, We've got all these different outfits that we
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  Speaker 1: want to try. It's like a lot of the first
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  Speaker 1: day was just like trying on outfits and ironing was
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  Speaker 1: a big deal when we were important.
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  Speaker 2: We couldn't get wrinkled.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we couldn't like sit down because we couldn't wrinkle
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  Speaker 1: our clothes. But we had like multiple outfits and in
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  Speaker 1: between takes we'd have to iron them again. And we
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  Speaker 1: were just like constantly ironing clothes throughout the entire day.
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  Speaker 2: When it was my turn to film, I didn't sit
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  Speaker 2: down pretty much until it wasn't film time because I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to have to go through the take off
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  Speaker 2: your pants iron it was. It was a whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what we were doing. Uh So I think
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  Speaker 2: before we continue, we do want to just shout out
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  Speaker 2: the crew and everybody that was involved. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: spent three days together together and no particular order other
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  Speaker 2: than the order of how everyone was lined up in
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  Speaker 2: the picture we took. If you want to see it,
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  Speaker 2: If you want to see more behind the scenes pictures,
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: go to our instagram. You know what it is. At
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  Speaker 2: Millennial MHC. We had some really cool just behind the
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  Speaker 2: scenes pictures that they shared with us. Super cool, what
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  Speaker 2: an experience. So in order of that, we had Ricardo
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  Speaker 2: ash Eric Number One, Becky Raquel, Chris Sergio, Eric, number two,
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  Speaker 2: Antonio and Sophia all a great crew. They took really
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  Speaker 2: good care of us, took us to lunch every day.
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  Speaker 2: One of the days was raining, they took us in
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  Speaker 2: a car even though the restaurant was like down the
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  Speaker 2: street because they didn't want our hair to get wet.
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  Speaker 2: Like we felt special, we felt important. We had a
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  Speaker 2: great time. Just fucking thank you to the whole team.
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  Speaker 2: It was It was fucking cool.
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  Speaker 1: It was cool. Yeah, we kind of felt like movie stars.
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  Speaker 1: We got we were treated incredibly well and everyone was
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  Speaker 1: so cool. Almost the entire team was from Portugal and
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  Speaker 1: so they were all bilingual. They spoke English great, and
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  Speaker 1: there was one girl, Creche from Brazil and so it's
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  Speaker 1: just it was so cool getting to actually meet people
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  Speaker 1: and get to spend quality time with people from a
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  Speaker 1: different country and see what they're interested in. And they
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  Speaker 1: were all movie people too, So boy did I have
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  Speaker 1: fun nerding out and talking about movies over lunch and
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  Speaker 1: everything with them. But it was great. And I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to give one huge shout out to Eddie too, because
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  Speaker 1: we started out filming his day and no knock to
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  Speaker 1: you at all, but I could tell you were a
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  Speaker 1: little bit nervous and you were moving kind of quick,
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  Speaker 1: and you know they were for the mental health videos.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, we gotta be nice and calm and relaxed.
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  Speaker 1: And you you were struggling a little bit at the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: but then you just crushed it. You like hit your stride.
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  Speaker 1: You got all your videos done, everything sounded great. You
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  Speaker 1: were crushing it. And then you went home that night
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  Speaker 1: or went back to the hotel and got super sick.
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  Speaker 1: So after a long day of filming, you were standing
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  Speaker 1: on your feet for like eight hours straight under the
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  Speaker 1: lights reading the teleprompter, and then you went home and
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  Speaker 1: puked your brains out all night, and we had to
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  Speaker 1: have another full day of recording the next day too,
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  Speaker 1: and you just you manned up. You took it like
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  Speaker 1: a champ, and like, I couldn't believe that you got
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  Speaker 1: through that and crushed it.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody could tell I was sick the night before. It
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  Speaker 2: was great until I said something at lunch when I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't eat. That wasn't feeling great. But yeah, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was definitely. It was new. It pushed
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  Speaker 2: us in different ways. I'd never done anything like that,
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  Speaker 2: but I you know, again, shout out to the crew
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  Speaker 2: for bearing with us, bearing with me as we work
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  Speaker 2: through that. I like to call it my Michael Jordan
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  Speaker 2: flu game for the third day, because we just had
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  Speaker 2: to make it happen. It was the last day we
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  Speaker 2: had to do it. It was together, and so I
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  Speaker 2: am glad honestly that we got to do the together
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  Speaker 2: part for the last day to really just crush that
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  Speaker 2: and have a good time. And so yeah, we're excited
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  Speaker 2: for the stuff to come out. Whatever sword Health shares
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  Speaker 2: social media wise, we can share with you all. Other
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  Speaker 2: than that, though, you need to be a sword Health
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  Speaker 2: consumer participant customer, so if you'd like to see the rest,
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  Speaker 2: you should definitely join sword Health. We'll plug them free
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  Speaker 2: plug because they took really good care of it.
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  Speaker 1: They did, they really did.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and then the very last thing, Sorry, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you're gonna say it, but I would love
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  Speaker 2: to say it because I noticed this on while we
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: were doing it. I think the very last day of
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  Speaker 2: recording was on to the day was on our six
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  Speaker 2: year anniversary of our first ever episode going live. So
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  Speaker 2: that felt pretty magical and special. So we do want
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  Speaker 2: to point that out. That was pretty fucking cool. That
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  Speaker 2: just on that just I don't know. Six years ago,
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  Speaker 2: was sitting in my friend Carson and mel both of
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  Speaker 2: their spare bedroom because I lived with them, with a
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  Speaker 2: fold double table on my bed, sitting with my computer
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  Speaker 2: and a microphone. And then six years later we're in
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  Speaker 2: fucking Porto, Portugal, were recording content and shit like, what
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  Speaker 2: the hell? Crazy you've moved since then, Like there's just
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  Speaker 2: so much shit as hipped, Like, what the hell? Man?
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  Speaker 1: I know, right, six years is a long time.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were that recording that last day, we were
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  Speaker 1: recording the podcast and Eddie just leans in and goes,
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  Speaker 1: you know what today is? I was like, no, it's today,
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm terrible at dates, don't worry.
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  Speaker 2: I had to look it up and confirm, like the
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  Speaker 2: night before, maybe the next maybe the morning of night
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  Speaker 2: before was rough. But yeah, I mean it's just magical, poetic,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. One last shout out
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  Speaker 2: before we jump into it. Natalie and Greg, two friends
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  Speaker 2: of mine. Natalie, I'm sorry that it took this long
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  Speaker 2: for us to come up with another episode. So the
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: episode is dropping soon. I hope you enjoy it. Natalie's
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  Speaker 2: been listening to us, and so shout out to her
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  Speaker 2: for listening and for being patient for our newest episode.
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  Speaker 2: But again, that's what we were doing. We're in Portugal,
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  Speaker 2: we're back back to our regularly scheduled every two ish
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  Speaker 2: weeks and we're happy, we're excited. We've been looking forward
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  Speaker 2: to today. So yeah, what did I say? The second
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  Speaker 2: part was going to.
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  Speaker 1: Be We're going to reflect? Yeah, last six years?
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  Speaker 2: Do it? Yeah? What's changed? Your address? A lot? Cotage times?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot has changed. I used to live in Omaha, Nebraska.
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  Speaker 1: In this there it is first started. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: the probably the biggest thing that changed in the last
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  Speaker 1: six years is that we actually started the podcast right
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  Speaker 1: before COVID, like what four or five months before the
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  Speaker 1: pandemic hit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to just say we were a pre COVID podcast.
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  Speaker 2: So that's very important to me that we acknowledged that
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  Speaker 2: because a lot of podcasts came out during COVID, we
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  Speaker 2: were before that. We have the time stamps to prove it.
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  Speaker 1: And man, I've been seeing so many memes of like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: when was COVID and people are like two years ago, oh,
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  Speaker 1: three years ago. It's like it was six years ago.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy like, it's starting to get crazy how much
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  Speaker 1: in the past it is now, yeah, and reflecting on
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  Speaker 1: that time and starting to realize how much different things
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  Speaker 1: are before and after the pandemic. So, yeah, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think was like the biggest change for you from
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  Speaker 1: the pandemic? How did life change the most?
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  Speaker 2: I do want to say an that you know, COVID
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  Speaker 2: is still a thing that we deal with right to
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  Speaker 2: this day, and it still impacts It impacts people's lives
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  Speaker 2: in varying ways, right depending on if you like, get
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: the vaccine preventively, what you do in your life, if
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  Speaker 2: you're around people a lot. So we do want to
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  Speaker 2: at least acknowledge that it's not like over it's it's
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  Speaker 2: a part of our daily lives. But I think I
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  Speaker 2: don't know I and I feel like you probably had
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  Speaker 2: a maybe similar experience. I went to work like every day,
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  Speaker 2: like I never really had an opportunity to work from home.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to say had an opportunity because I
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  Speaker 2: made it seem like this like super sweet thing. I
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  Speaker 2: just didn't like it. I worked community mental health when
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  Speaker 2: it first started. I remember we tried to space out
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: when people would come into the office. I think I
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: just went every day. We had this weird rule where
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: if you worked from home, you had to send in
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  Speaker 2: an Excel spreadsheet of what you did in that day.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, if I'm just gonna sit around and
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  Speaker 2: I'll just do it at work so I don't have
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  Speaker 2: to do that. But I still worked every day. At
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  Speaker 2: some point I did get to work from home. But
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  Speaker 2: then shortly after I transitioned to a hospital, same thing.
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  Speaker 2: I worked in person every single day, and so I
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  Speaker 2: think in terms of work it didn't change a whole
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  Speaker 2: lot other than like masking we had to wear like
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  Speaker 2: I wear for a little bit or goggle. It was
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  Speaker 2: a whole thing, and I could go on the behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes stuff that went on during work. But then,
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I transition to where I'm at now, at
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  Speaker 2: a high school. The first school year that I worked
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  Speaker 2: was still masks, so we're still all wearing a mask.
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  Speaker 2: So that was interesting, you know, for the first chunk
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  Speaker 2: of time until I think March of that school year.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, I mean maybe really the biggest
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  Speaker 2: thing was like personally and socially, Yeah, I didn't go
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  Speaker 2: home for a long time. I didn't go home for
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  Speaker 2: like a year I think the last time i'd been
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  Speaker 2: home was Christmas twenty nineteen. Yeah, I didn't go home
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  Speaker 2: for like a year and a half. So that was
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  Speaker 2: pretty hard too write not to see my family. Kevy
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  Speaker 2: was living in Oregon, but we spent like ten weeks
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  Speaker 2: apart because we don't know what to do in person.
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  Speaker 2: I had to miss your guys wedding because I was yeah,
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  Speaker 2: right like that, probably personally and socially, now that I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying it out loud, probably the biggest things that were impacted,
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  Speaker 2: like you weren't seeing a lot of people. It was
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, you tell me your what's changed
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  Speaker 2: for you? What's going on for you? Because now I'm
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  Speaker 2: reflecting of like there were some parts that were like
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember being kind of paranoid about getting COVID
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  Speaker 1: because there were just so many questions at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember going to the grocery store right when
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  Speaker 1: it was starting to set in and looking at the
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  Speaker 1: shelves and they were like empty. Yeah, no TP, So
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  Speaker 1: I bought up a day. You know. I always tell
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  Speaker 1: people it work smarter, not harder when it comes to wiping.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, going to the grocery store and there was
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  Speaker 1: just like nothing on the shelves, and I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is serious, like this this is something like I
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  Speaker 1: didn't I had never seen that before in the United States,
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  Speaker 1: where like the shelves and this door were just empty.
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  Speaker 1: So that was kind of like my first clue that, man,
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of a big deal. I remember because
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  Speaker 1: Omaha was kind of a hot spot because that was
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: where that I think it was like that plane that
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  Speaker 1: was coming over from a place that they had like
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  Speaker 1: confirmed positives and so people had to quarantine in Omaha
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  Speaker 1: for a while. So we were all worried that we
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  Speaker 1: were going to be like, you know, spreaders, especially because
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  Speaker 1: I was in the hospital system there too. I remember
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  Speaker 1: going for a run on a trail by my house
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  Speaker 1: and thinking, like, is the virus on the trail? Like,
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  Speaker 1: am I going to pick it up on my shoes
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  Speaker 1: and bring it home?
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Dude? We didn't know shit, Yeah going on right, like
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: everything was. We had a doctor rage on and like
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: for him, it was like things were popping off every
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: single day in the hospital during his residency and he
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: still didn't have all the answers. So I mean, I
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, there'd be times where I would take a
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: deep breath and be like am I I mean, I
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: would do it. I was paranoid too. It was, man,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: that was I put us in a tough spot. That
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: puts it's way too lightly. But that was yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: And when we were in Porto and we were at
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: lunch one day, I asked the crew, I was like,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: how about like a nice light topic here, like, how
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: was COVID for you guy? Hearing the European perspective on
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: it too was really interesting because apparently Portugal was one
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: of the worst, if not the worst spot in the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: world because it just ran through their nursing homes and
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: just people were dying by the dozens, by the hundreds
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: in nursing homes and so you could just see the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: trauma in their faces. That man, this connected the world
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: in a way where everyone was going through this hard time,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: that this uncertainty. You know, back home, we were seeing
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: all the videos. I remember watching videos of Italy and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: their hospitals and ICUs had been overrun. So people were
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: just dying because they couldn't get care. It's just like,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: So it was.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: It was a scary time.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Here in the European perspective on the United States
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: was fun too. Yeah, we do suck.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you guys know that, but currently currently, I mean,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: but it really highlighted a lot of bad shit in
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: the US, right, like not it really like not just
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, it highlighted systemic issues and not just like
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: healthcare wise, right, not just access to healthcare, but like
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: socially racially.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Right. There was the very viral, I guess probably not
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the best word to use, the very easily scene murder
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: of George Floyd. Like that was a huge thing that
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: happened during that time, and the protests that happened after
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: the rise in Asian hate crimes because of you know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the virus originating in China and how the president at
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: the time and the current president said really fucked up
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: things about people from China, and then people would just
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: take that as Asian people in general. Like that was
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: huge things that were going on at the time, right,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: So it's definitely a huge thing that wasn't just it
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: wasn't just like a medical health thing, but it really
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: highlighted a lot of systemic issues that we've had in
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: the United States and continue to have. Unfortunately. That really haven't.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe things have gotten better, maybe they've gotten worse. We've
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: maybe taken a step back in the last twelvesh months.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: But it really it really highlighted a lot of things.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I really think that I don't want to say help,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: but that really maybe put people in a position to see,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: like we need to try to make some changes. And
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I think I see on TikTok a lot this like
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: question of like, what's the thing that radicalized you? And
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I think we could say COVID really radicalized a lot
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: of people to like not being okay with what's going on.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: You know. I was trying to think of like maybe
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: some good things that came out of COVID. I think
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the fact that we were able to get a vaccine
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: out pretty quickly, Yeah, it was pretty amazing. And that
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: was a pretty bipartisan effort too, or it was a
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: lot of people working together to get a vaccine out.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: So I think that it was pretty cool. But man,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: it definitely seems like COVID was the catalyst for our
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: growing social media and technology addiction problems as a society.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: That before that there wasn't much of a of an
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: idea of Okay, this isn't too much of a problem.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: People aren't addicted. But after COVID, I think a lot
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: of people got a taste for, well, when there's nothing
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: else to do and all I have is my phone
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and that's my only way to like connect with people.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: People saw what the depths were when all you have
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: is your phone and you're on it for nine plus
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: hours a day.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Well then you think too of like distance learning. Distance learning,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: it wasn't with a pen and paper. It was on
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the computer. Right, it was zoom, I'm already on the computer.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I might as well do this and that, And so
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I mean to highlight one thing and to mention one thing.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: We'll skip ahead a little bit, we'll come back to
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: social media. But one maybe positive thing that we can
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: talk about is the increase of use of I feel
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: like that started to make healthcare a little more accessible
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: to people, not even just mental health or therapy, but
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: just you can do like primary care appointments, or you
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: can ask a question to your doctor via telehealth. Right
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: like that, I feel like that's that was a positive,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and that's something that's stuck around a lot. I have
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: thoughts on it, but it's stuck around.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: It got a lot of boomers to be forced to
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: learn this technology so that they had to actually start
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: doing it. And then so it changed the world for
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: younger people because if younger people were mostly using it already,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: but yeah, being able to do school online, doctor's appointments online,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: all this stuff changed in some good ways. And it's
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: so funny. I talk to young people. Some of them
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: love doing online school, some of them just can't focus
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: on it whatsoever. So it's kind of a mixed bag,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: but it's a nice option for some people. And I
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: got kind of a fifty to fifty response with a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: lot of my ADHD kids that I work with, where
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: some of them like they can't focus at all on
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: teleschool or online school, but other kids they can go
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: at their own pace. They don't have to wait for
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the class to catch up with them, because a lot
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of times ADHD kids are quick, their brains move fast,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and they get bored in school and that's what gets
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: them in trouble. And so to have that option of
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: being able to do something online that they can take
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: at their own pace is a huge thing for them.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And I see a lot of kids thriving with it,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So that's a huge thing that just did not exist
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: before old COVID nineteen.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll say not to toot our own horn
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: too much, but me and the school counselors that I
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: work with, because of telehealth, we have a whole office
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: in our councing center dedicated to telehealth appointments. So now
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: students don't have to leave school for the day and
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: they can still have their appointment. They can come down
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: in the center, have their appointment in our office and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: then leave. And who would have thought of squeezing in
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the therapy appointment in between algebra two and biology? Like
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: that's pretty great. It was pretty accessible. I mean kids nowadays,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: high school kids, you're pretty busy with school, right eight
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: thirty to three thirty every day, Like if you could
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: squeeze in a therapy appointment, that kind of opens up
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: some more access to care. So I think that's been
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I would say that that's been a positive for sure.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: And it stuck around a lot, right, there's not I
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: know there's some some pushback maybe with some insurance providers
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of like oh, first apployment needs to be in person,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: or oh some it pulled back a little bit with telehealth,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: But overall, I mean, I see my therapist telehealth wise,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: shout out Sam, They're great. But you know, telehealth is
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: still here to stay, I think, at least for the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: time being.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: For sure, it showed that it was possible, it was doable,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and some people really like it. So I think insurance
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: companies had to adapt because, Yeah, if my understanding is
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that a lot of telehealth options weren't possible because the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: insurance companies like refused to pay for it. Yeah, but
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: after the pandemic, it's like, okay, cats out of the bag,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: we kind of have to start doing this.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Can't go back now. I mean, think of how many therapists,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: mental health counselors were able to move to now this
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: is where I kind of have my own thoughts and
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: underneath to share them here, but move to like a
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: fully online practice. I mean that's pretty helpful for a
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: lot of people that thrive in that telehealth world, whether
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: as the provider or the consumer, the client or patient.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Let's go back a little bit social media.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's not social media, but I kind of want
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to take a different direction here and just say, tell me,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: six years of this show, how has it been important
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to you in your life? Like, what do you think
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: why are you happy? Why are you grateful for MMHC.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Because I get to talk to you like every two weeks.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I mean obviously that and I mean that sincerely, but
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe some other positives for me has been
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: that not forced, but it is. But I enjoy it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: So that's why I don't feel it's forced. It has.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's made me sharper as a clinician because
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I have to continue to know things, whether it's just
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: through work and learning like teenager things like I just
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: taught you a little while ago. But I'll explain it
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: here in a bit, whether it's just being that way,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: or whether it's trying to stay continued on what are
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: things that are happening for me as a licensed professional
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: counselor in the world of you know, the American Counseling Association.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Trying to stay up to the date on those things,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: trying to stay up to date on articles and journal
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: reflections and just things as a clinician. I think it's
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: maybe too just better as an adjunct faculty because I've
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: had to continue to be up to date. I can't
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: just lean on this PowerPoint that I made four years ago.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I got to stay up to date on things because
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I need it for the show and I need it
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: for my students every year to make sure that they're
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: getting the best information possible. I also feel really grateful
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: for people that just listen to the show they say
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: that it's been helpful. I mean, that's pretty fucking cool.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: We still get messages and comments and people reaching out
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to us, getting emails of just like the show, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: people wanting to be on the shore, wanting to connect
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: and things like that. I think that's pretty cool, especially
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to start from zero, right when we first started six
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: years ago. So yeah, off the top of my head,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: we'll go with that because I want to hear what
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you have to say.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Similar to where this has been such an amazing teaching
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: tool for me as well, where for a lot of
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: our episodes, you know, we go through the DSM criteria
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and we talk about specific examples. We learn a lot
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: about this as we're teaching it and helps us be current.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Like I, for some reason, I found myself in conversations
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: with friends and family, they'll ask me a question to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: be like, what do you think about, you know, AI therapy,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: what do you think about X, Y and Z social
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: media stuff? And I'll be like, actually, I just did
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a podcast episode on this, so if you want to,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: if you want to go back and listen to the episode,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: then I don't actually have to answer. But it's it's
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: been a great way to keep up on things, and
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: it's it's been a great way to keep up this
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: friendship too. It's been such a cool way to just
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: check in every couple of weeks see how things are
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: going in your life. And it just feels like, yeah,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: this connection that we have is one of the things
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that makes this show kind of neat.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: That will stop it, that's booty No. I yeah, I
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree. In the beginning, it was
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: definitely like it probably would keep it to myself that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: we had a podcast only because this is just like new.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like we're still figuring things out. I'm still
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: figuring things out now. It's like, yeah, we like you said, oh,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: we just did an episode on it. But to the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: other side of it, if someone brings up something or
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: they ask something, I feel more equipped to talk about
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: something because like, oh, we just talked about this, I
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: have information that I probably just learned from you, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: now I can share this with somebody else. And I
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: think that's pretty cool.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: It's been a great learning tool for everyone, for us included,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and hopefully the listeners too. Hopefully they learned something and
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it's not just us laughing the whole time that's all
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: they hear.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: There was a comment that I told you someone left
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: this review that we laughed too much.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I was like, that's the yeah, point we're trying to
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: make like talking about mental health fun and not so serious,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: because so many mental health shows are just they're not
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: very fun to listen to.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: They're either like way too casual or way too scientific,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and we just wanted a happy medium where you get
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: good evidence and just like actually enjoy listening to it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I hate when mental health content gets like way too
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: is trivialized the right word, like it makes it way
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: too like did you know if if you like the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: color red, then yeah, I hate that so people. I mean, sure,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: we'd love for our stuff to continue to reach other
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: people and go viral whatever, but people will make tiktoks
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and other things that just for the purpose of like
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: that pop psychology stuff, and I think it's such a
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: detriment to our degrees and our hard work of like
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: that's all that you're putting out there. I hate that so.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Much, and we see it all the time, especially because
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: we get a lot of mental health content on our
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Instagram page, and half of it's just people looking for clicks,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: like trying to relate to people and say things like
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: ADHD and autism are things that they are not. And
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I just and I see it seems like those two
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: diagnoses are the ones that get the most traction on
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: social media stuff where you see people, oh, this is
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: if you do this, that means you probably have autism,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and it's like ninety percent of people have that. Like,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? It's just, yeah, just trying
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to get people interested for the sake of popularity and clicks,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: which is something I know that you know, we kind
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: of struggle with that balance of too or half of
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: our message. And my whole ted talk was about how like, hey,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: less social media, less technology, and then we're like find
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: us on social.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Media and technology.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: It's a weird balance.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: But an legit I think that's important. But speaking of
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: social media, we have to talk about how much that
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: shit has changed in the last six years. I don't
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: even know where to start. Where do you want to
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: start TikTok, TikTok. I love TikTok. No, you go first,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: you go first.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I remember during COVID sitting with my wife on
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: the couch and just hearing the same sound clips over
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and over and over again, like what are you watching it?
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And why is it so like repetitive? And I was like, oh,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: it was TikTok And that was really when it started
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: taking off. Yeah, the more we learned about social media
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and the algorithms of social media is that they are
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: specifically designed to try and keep you as locked in
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: on those apps as possible. And man, I just I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: see it so many times with my young patients where
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you know, they'll tell me that they only get oh yeah,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I only get like five hours six hours of sleep
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: a night. What are you doing all night? They're like, oh, TikTok,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, you are sleep deprived, having yourself
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: by three hours every night just sitting on your phone.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: People don't understand how terrible that is for your mental
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: health and how terrible it is for your body image,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: your depression, and your anxiety, so many different things. And
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I think in moderation it can be an okay thing,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: but I've mentioned it on the show in the past
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: that in China, where TikTok was created, that the government
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: very much regulates what can go on to TikTok. They
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: regulate the amount of time that people can use on it,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: especially young people every single day. They know it's not
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: good for you and it's not healthy for you. But
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: they shifted off to the American kids and said, you know,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: have fun, you know, and we're starting to realize and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: it's not just TikTok, it's all social media, but TikTok
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: seems to be the most addictive, the most addictive algorithm
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: at this point that yes, this is not great for
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: young people or older people.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I mean, should I use TikTok every day?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I love funny videos. I was a big Vine fan
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: back in the day. I remember Vine. Yeah, And so
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I think that definitely tickles a part in my brain
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: that's important to me or that I enjoy. But for sure,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I can try and sit here
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: and give all the positives of TikTok to outweigh the negatives, like, oh,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I find that's how I fixed the fan in my bathroom,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: That's how I like, Yeah, I can find shit like that,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: but there's also shit that just makes me laugh, right,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: and that's like the biggest piece of it. But for sure,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's kind of two pieces of
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: we can at least acknowledge this. Like when TikTok really
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: started to blow up, and we've talked about this too
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: on the show, like around the twenty nineteen twenty twenty
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, one of the redeeming factors of TikTok
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: was that there was a lot of realness of it,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Like there was there was people being authentic and real
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: and like put in that kind of content out. So
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: this is the kind of start of that. So that
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: was really good and that was positive. But for sure,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, like the people were on their phones a ton,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: using it a ton, But like you said, that kind
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: of goes for all social media. There's a lot of
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: social media use going on, and it's it's just increased
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: definitely over the last six years. Things like the Facebook
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it's not cool anymore, right, people when they are using that.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Snapchat somehow has continued to just be around, which I
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: had was going to die at some point, but it's
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: like a main communication method for teens right now. They
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: love it, just like they love it, chatting whatever, just
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: connecting that way, adding what's your snap? Stuff like that.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Like it's still somehow has withstood the test of time,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: but social media has definitely has taken on. I mean
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: it seems to be like the main form of communication
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: for a lot of our kids right now instead of
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: texture and phone call or FaceTime. Yeah, it's changed a lot. Yeah.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: There was a good NPR piece on the radio recently
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: where it was talking about cell phone bands in schools,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: which where we did a podcast episode on it, you
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: sure did, But it was talking about there was a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: school principal and he was on there saying, when I
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: was a kid, you couldn't get us to shut up
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: in the lunch room. We were talking, we were joking,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: we were playing games. And he says, when he looks
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: at his lunchroom now, it's everyone just with their heads
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: down on their phones. And it's like there's an element
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: of missing out on life when you're just on your
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: phone all the time. And you know, my wife always
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: says it like this, like on your gravestone, do you
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: want like it to say all the things you were,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: all the places you went, or just how many hours
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: you spend on your phone, like what is more important
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: in this life? And it's so easy to get sucked
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: into the phone and just spend hours and hours and hours.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I think my record is because I'm always checking my
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: patient's screen time apps. I think my record was thirteen
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: hours and one day ooh that someone was on their phone,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and it's like, how's that even? Like you know possible.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I know, I just haven't plugged in all the time.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: That's rough. Yeah, I mean other pieces of social media wise,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: for a little bit, we had something that seemed to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: maybe compete with the idea of these like perfection highlight
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: reels on social media. I had to teach Justin about
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: this about thirty five minutes ago before we started recorded.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: But be Real was a thing, and I think it's
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: kind of died out now and I might be messing
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: it up, but essentially it was the social media app.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: You still had followers, you followed people, but I think
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: each day the app would tell you it's time to
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: like be real or it's time for your be real,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and you essentially were supposed to just take a picture
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: of what you were doing in that moment, and not
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: only did it capture a picture of you, but it
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: used both lenses basically, so the front facing camera and
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the back facing camera. But it was an opportunity for
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: people to not and I don't think you could edit
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the picture. I think it just posted, and so it
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: was an opportunity for people to just kind of like
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: sit in the discomfort of not posting a highlight reel
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: anymore and just posting something real and being real for
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit. I think it's since lost its purpose
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: since then. I think I've heard there's like ads and
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: stuff on it. Now you can post on it even
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: when it's not time, you can skip the time. It's
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: a whole thing. It's not what it used to be.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: But in this kind of like capitalist society where I'm
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: sure the creators of it were really excited to make
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: some money from it, it is what it is. But
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: that was another thing that kind of came and went.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: The other big piece that we should mention is the
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Surgeon General and issuing a warning just on the use
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: of social media use in teens right, like that was
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: a pretty big deal. You and I had both seen
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: that when it came out, So that's kind of another
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: big thing with social media and just really the EBB
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: and flow, but maybe the mainly negative piece of social media,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: even though you and I both use it hasn't been
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the greatest on us in our generation, on older generations,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: but very specifically on the younger generations like Gen Z
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: and Gen Alpha. Yeah, and it's.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Become such a pervasive part in our lives. And how
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Trump's pick for the Surgeon General was essentially an influencer,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: right that never completed her residency. And to go from
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Vivic Murphy, the one the previous administration who was the
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: one who put that warning out about social media. He
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: was awesome. I really loved everything that he came out with.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: He spoke incredibly well. And then to go from that
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: to an influencer who's just like peddling her own ideas
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and not actually like science back stuff is always a
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: little bit concerning. But hey, yeah, you know, so just
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: be careful what you read online and be careful. You know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: if someone's trying to sell you something, they always have
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: an ulterior motive. So just just be careful with influencers,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and especially health influencers. Yeah, it's always someone trying to
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: sell you. Oh there is a hole in your life,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I can sell you the thing that's gonna make you complete,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna sell you the thing that's gonna make
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you happy. It's my program, it's my product, it's my vitamins,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: it's my supplements. It's always something, and so you just
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: have to take everything with a grain of salt that
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you see on social media and in terms of health information.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Some other things. What are some of the things we've
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: noticed in the last six years? I wrote down digital
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: mental health tools. What's your take on that? What have
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: you noticed?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: You know, I've got a lot of patients who use
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: like the I Am Sober app and some cool different
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: apps to track their progress, some different apps to try
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: and be able to express their feelings and emotions in
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: a better way. People using their phones for art, poetry, journaling.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: So like a lot of really cool stuff. So it's
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: not all bad. And you know people always say, you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: in some of the comments on my YouTube video for
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: my ted talk, I was like, well, phones aren't all bad.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: It's like, that's not what I was arguing at all.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Phones can be really good about Yeah, they can be
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: really great and sometimes you know, people are really creative
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: with how they use them to address their mental health
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: how about yourself. Do you see any cool uses?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I mean for sure, I mean like things like the calm,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: things like just meditation in general, guided meditation, even things
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: like on YouTube you can find kind of anything that
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: could be mental health wise or just health and wellness wise.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: You go back to COVID and you know a lot,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: not a lot of people are able to go to
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the gym and people being able to find people on
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: like YouTube or TikTok to provide them with like at
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: home workouts. I was always a little skeptical of like
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: what is it like apps or platforms that are on
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: strictly online for like therapy, But that's where I found
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: my therapist, So maybe I need to reel back my
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: skepticism a little bit. But for sure, we've talked about it.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Technology and social media is not all bad. There's a
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: lot of not great things, but it's not all bad.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: It's important we acknowledge that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: And you know, on our script here too, it says
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: AI as a talking point. Yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: To summarize our episode on AI is that it probably
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: will be a cool thing in the future to do
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: like an AI assisted therapy, but right now it seems
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: like not a good idea to just wait till we
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: work out some kinks first.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and just in general the use of AI, right,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: how like it's it's pretty damaging to the environment unfortunately. Yeah,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and it's not always like you're not always getting the
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: right information. I think Keviy mentioned this the other day.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I couldn't remember what she was, who she was talking to,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: or what specifically, But like AI and chat gibt is
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: like kind of made to agree with you. Yeah, and
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: so like taking that into account when you're taking the
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: information that it gives you, and like taking that face value. Yeah.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: AI tools can be great. I mean we I work
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: for a school district. I think a lot of school
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: districts use Google Workspace and a lot of you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Google Workspace now comes with Gemini. It's Google's kind of
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: competitor to Chat GPT, And there's just a lot of
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: like AI features that are coming out that do make
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: things easier. We talked about it. You know you've used
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: it like for for note taking and like summarizing. I've
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: used it for summarizing articles and helpful information that I need.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: So it can be great, but it's also it's so early.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: We're really not going to know, like the negatives of
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: it for for a little bit of time.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and from a mental health standpoint, try not get
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to get your companionship from AI.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Don't do that. Don't do that, just.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Not right now. Like maybe sure in the future if
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: it gets better, why not. I'm open to you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be a robophobic. But in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: future it might be a good thing. But right now,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: it just seems like, you know, I read a couple
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of articles about this recently, that there is a divide
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: between men and women, heterosexual men and women, and it
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: seems like what they want is completely different out of
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: relationships and online dating has made a complete shift in
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: what is normal for relationships, and it seems like more
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: and more people are turning towards AI for that companionship
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: and that romantic connection. And I don't know, I say,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: keep fighting in the real world for something something you
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: could find with someone who's got a pulse.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we talked about it too, and
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: maybe this could be the last thing we mentioned about AI.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: But you know, the teen boy and I think this
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: has happened again. But the teen boy who died by
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: suicide after you know, getting companionship from chat GPT and
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: like how that was just not a positive relationship in
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: their life. So I don't know. To be continued, I
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: think on the AI, but it's I mean, that's ramped
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: up so much in the last however many years, even
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: in the last years.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Wild It's like Facebook's original motto was go fast and
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: break things. That's exactly what AI is doing right now.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: It's going fast and it's breaking thing.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is another thing. This is kind
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: of smaller, but I think it's still cool and you
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: might not even know about this. For a while, the
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: suicide lifeline, like the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, was a
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: long number. I don't even know the number off the
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: top of my head. But recently, in the last two years,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I think I think it was summer twenty twenty four,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Feel free to fact check me, they moved to nine
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: to eight eight, so similar to nine to one one,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: it's now a three digit number that you can call
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: and you can get connected directly to the lifeline and support.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: And I think, like nine to one one, it'll get
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: you connected specifically to resources that are near you. So
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I know, in Portland area, if you call nine eight eight,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: you get sent to Lions for Life, which is our
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: suicide prevention lifeline here in the Portland metro area. So
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: very cool that they moved into a way more attainable
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: and easy to remember number. Did you fact check me?
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: What do we got?
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: No? I think I was actually just looking up something
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: completely unrelated that I was going to make a joke
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: about later.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: We're good. I'm ready for it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, you know, in the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: past six years, a lot has changed and the world
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: has changed a lot different ways, but the Raiders still suck.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: God damn it. We made the playoffs once. That's why
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I'm wearing the hat. We're not never gonna given up.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: We're stay loyal, never give up.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: That's what I love about you, Eddie. You are very
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: loyal to your team. And oh, I mean the Broncos
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: have been bad for nine years straight too, so but
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: this is like the first time that they happened to completely.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Just wait, We're gonna do some bullshit and win this
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: weekend against the Broncos for no reason at all, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: it's just gonna mess up our ability to get like
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: the number one draft pick. We would do something, we
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: would do something dumb like that.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Me, Well, Raiders always play the Broncos hard. Like, even
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: when the Broncos are a good team and the Raiders
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: are not a good team, the Raiders always still play
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: hard and it's not never an easy win. On that note,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: let's get the.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Hell out of here. I mean, yeah, we had some
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: other things. We'll just make them nice and quick. I
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: mean mental health disorders. I mean, this was happening before COVID,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: but the revolence of poor mental health, anxiety, depression, it's
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: increased significantly, not just adults, but in teenagers too. Again,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: this was happening before COVID, but the pandemic definitely ramped
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: it up. Yeah, for Justin and I specifically working with adolescents,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: with kids with teens, there's just been a surge in
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: mental health issues among gen z jen alpha. We know
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: that for sure. And then definitely just the disproportionate impact
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: that mental health challenges have had on certain groups, young adults, women,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: marginalized communities, those of all ramped up too. Those were
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: trending upward already, but the last six years those have
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: ramped up, for sure. I don't want to say exponentially
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: because someone might fact check me on that and say
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: that it's not exponential yet, but it's increased a lot.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: But on that note, thank you for six years. Thank
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: you all for being here. Man, what an episode that
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: was fun. That was a longer one. I like that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt good to be back.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll see you in a couple of weeks. We can
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: do that. Yeah, I think so still here.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, cool, I'll be around.
• 46:06
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