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FBI Desperate to Take Over Case Amid Growing Frustration | What Happened to Nancy Guthrie? · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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I don't know about you, but I certainly am feeling frustration
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over the Nancy Guthrie case. We are well past 2 1/2 weeks
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into the missing person case of the 84 year old Mother of Today
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Show Co host Nancy or Savannah Guthrie.
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Gavin Javi, can I take, can I get a take two on that?
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We can, we can edit that out in post, right?
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OK. I am beyond frustrated with this
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case. We're in our third week coming
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up on our fourth week and 84 year old Nancy Guthrie, the
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mother of Savannah Guthrie, the Co host of NB CS Today show is
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still nowhere to be found. And according to some reports,
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it's not just people like me and you that are frustrated.
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It's the FBI that is frustrated. It is the employees of the Pima
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County Sheriff's Department that is frustrated.
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I imagine that all of Nancy Guthrie's loved ones are.
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Are. Frustrated at this point, one of
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the things that saddens me is that I have noticed that today
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is the first day where NBC News is not showing live updates.
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Neither is CNN, and it just feels like people are starting
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to give up. But there may be a silver
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lining. There may be.
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That pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
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And we're going to talk about it next.
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Stick with me. This video contains mature
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themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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Viewer discretion is advised. Hello there my friend and
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welcome back. To another true crime
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conversation with me, Gavin Fish, thank you so much for
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joining me and wherever you're joining me from, I'm sure it is
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a delightful, delightful place. Use your creativity and tell me
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in the comments in the live chat, if you're on here on
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YouTube during the live stream or in the comments on Spotify or
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in the rewatch crew. Tell me where you're tuning in
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from. But but do it creatively.
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All right, This is our romper room moment and I just, I just
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want to see how clever you guys are.
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I know you're clever. You guys are all bright.
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But what are we talking about today?
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Today we are talking about the missing person case of Nancy
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Guthrie. As I said in the old cold open
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now I have kind of shield away from conversations that have
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been widely reported and very well reported by and there I go
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again doing the what is it the the pilot announcements of?
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking today.
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We're going to be cruising at 38,000.
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Feet. Yeah, I got to stop that.
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I got to stop that. I almost did.
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It again just after I corrected myself.
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OK, it has been pretty widely reported that members of the
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staff of the Pima County Sheriff's Department are unhappy
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with the leadership of Sheriff Nanos.
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Now, I mean, we kind of have to take this with a grain of salt
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because I mean, who is happy with their boss?
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Who is ever 100% happy with their boss?
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I once worked for a guy who I highly, I mean, I just deeply
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loved and respected and still I would come home at the end of
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the day and Kimberly would get an earful of all of my
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complaints of the day. So we have to we have to take
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this with a grain of salt. However, I kind of feel like
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it's starting to it's starting to bloom, right?
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How would we say this like we are starting to proof this, this
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dough is doubling in size, it's getting bigger and we are we're
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hearing more and more specifically we're hearing that
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the FBI might be really frustrated with Sheriff Nanos.
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And one of the pieces of information that was reported by
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Brian Enten last week when he talked with a former under
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sheriff of Sheriff Nanos was that Sheriff Nanos.
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And and this is not my opinion. This is not my reporting of
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factual events. It's just me repeating what this
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under sheriff said in his interview.
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He characterized Sheriff Nanos as vindictive and had and that
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he had a negative experience from his point of view with the
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FBI. Now he just doesn't want to play
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nice now. And I've steered away from this.
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But again, this dough is proofing, it is getting bigger
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and bigger and bigger, and we are going to get into that in
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just a minute. First, let's check in to see
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where you guys are from. What do we got?
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Wait a minute, whose birthday is it today?
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It says Nancy Cornett. Today is my birthday. 85.
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Nancy. Happy birthday, my goodness, and
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thank you for being here 85 years.
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I bet you could tell us some stories, man. 80 Somebody do
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some quick math for me. That is what is that 19411942?
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Is that what it is, guys? Somebody check my math.
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We're going to carry the one. It's 2026 right now.
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We're going to subtract. 851941 is the year of the birth of
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Nancy Cornett. She is roughly the same age as
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Nancy Guthrie. By the way. 1941 man, pre baby
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boom. That's pretty cool.
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Congratulations and thank you for watching.
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So glad that you are here. Coffee time for Dee Gavin.
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I am from the city that allows you from one of our beautiful
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mountain peaks to see seven states.
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Do you know what city I am in? Let's see.
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I believe you're in the state of Georgia.
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I believe I have to. Isn't that called Lookout
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Mountain? I can't remember.
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I can't remember the city. But thank you for joining us
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from Georgia today. Emmy telling us the Brian Anton
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was in Mexico asking locals about Nancy.
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Welcome from Erie, we got Calgary, AB.
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Blah, blah blah blah, Saskatchewan is here.
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Lucy Fair is here. So that means that we have got
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somebody from the underworld, from Payman's layer.
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Glad that you have made it here. Let's see.
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Good evening from the city. Unfortunately known for the
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National Guard student assault on May 4th, 1970.
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Can't remember. Can't remember which one that
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one is, but man, that rings a bell.
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Wakala Station, Wakala County, Florida's in the house.
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The sun is shining bright in the Bermuda Triangle.
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Nikki, welcome. Ecuador is in the house.
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Bienvenios, Ecuador. Hudson Valley, New York.
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Good evening from the city that gave us a Lynyrd Skynyrd.
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Nice snowy California's here. San Jose is here checking in
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from the town where we spell our town names in the old English
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style. All right.
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Good, Gavin. Love that dirty water.
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Oh, let's see. What?
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Where would that be? That being a Bayou somewhere I'm
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not. Wish I knew we got palm trees in
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the house. We got the Seattle area here.
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Delco, PA. Flying tumbleweeds in New
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Mexico. I am from the NASCAR Florida
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town of February races. Nice.
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I'm the place that gave us Madison Baumgartner and Eric
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Church. All right, well, welcome.
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Welcome. And and once again, happy
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birthday to Nancy. I'm glad.
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I'm glad you joined us on your birthday.
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Okie, Dokie, everybody. Let's hop in, shall we?
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I've kind of buried the lead, but let's get into it.
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This is a report written from or in the New York Post by Steven
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Vago, Josh Christensen and Anthony Blair.
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FBI desperate to take over Nancy Guthrie case from ego tripping.
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That's in quotes Sheriff Chris Nanos Dateline Tucson the hunt
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for Savannah Guthrie's 84 year old mother.
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By the way, this especially for Emmy.
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I'm going to go on a little bit of a tangent here, but you, you
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guys know how much I love Mr. Rogers, right?
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A tangent, of course. You guys know how much I love
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Mr. Rogers and I love the story about the letter that he
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received from the little blind girl who was concerned about him
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not feeding fish, so he made sure to use.
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Audible cues that he was feeding the fish.
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I'm I'm doing this a little bit for Emmy tonight, OK?
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All of the articles that we're going to talk about today are
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LinkedIn the description below. OK, Dateline Tucson.
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The hunt for Savannah Guthrie's 84 year old mother Nancy has
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been doomed by Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos's ego and
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has vendetta against the FBI, according to a rising chorus of
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critics. Let's take a moment to just
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recognize that this is being written in the New York Post.
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No shade to the Post, but they do have kind of a tabloidy way
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of writing and they they seem to be OK.
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Maybe they just have a really powerful legal department.
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They seem to be OK of just, you know, referring to critics, a
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rising chorus of critics. The high profile case has seen
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missteps like leaving Nancy Guthrie's house unguarded in the
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hours after the crime, baffling press interviews, and a
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protracted investigation that so far has yielded no clear
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suspects or strong leads. After more than two weeks.
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I'm not sure that a two week investigation or a 2 1/2 week,
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although we all want Nancy home like now.
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I don't think it's it's fair to characterize a 2 1/2 week
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investigation for a missing person as protracted.
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I I would say maybe the Amelia Earhart missing person
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investigation is a protracted investigation, but a 2 1/2 week
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probably not. The FBI is desperate to take
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over the investigation but cannot unless the Guthrie family
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specifically asks, multiple law enforcement sources told the
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Post quotes uncommon it is. It is a uncommon belief in this
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agent. Oh my goodness, Javi, you're
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going to have a lot of post to post work to do.
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I am sorry. Take two on that one.
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OK, let's mark it. It is a common belief in this
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agency that this case has become an ego case for Sheriff Nanos,
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said Sergeant Aaron Cross, president of the Pima County
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Deputies Organization. Mr. Cross, I'm sorry, Sergeant
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Cross stepping out on the plank on this one.
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If he is president of the Deputies Association, I have to
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believe that he himself is a deputy.
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OK, so he is saying that Sheriff Nanos is on an ego trip.
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OK, Doomed from the start from the moment the Today Show Co
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host mom was reported missing from her $1,000,000 Tucson home.
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That might be the first time I've read a report that has
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specified that she has $1,000,000 home.
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If you if you buy a house 50 years ago, yeah, it doesn't
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matter. It's OK.
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It's OK. I'm sure it wasn't her first
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home. This is not her starter home and
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she's. 84 years old, who cares what it cost?
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Nanos, the top cop in Arizona's second most populous city, took
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center stage, hosting press briefings with a charming down
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to earth demeanor. Nanos has been the primary
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source. Man, I wish my.
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Editors would let me write like this.
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I think we'd get sued all the time though, so that's why they
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don't. Nanos has been the primary
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source of information in the case, granting multiple
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interviews to news outlets across the country and
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continuing to hold court with rambling press briefings in the
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aftermath of Nancy's February 1 disappearance.
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His decision continues the article to move away from
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general briefings to cozy chit chats with individual
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journalists. Oh my goodness.
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I wish my editors would let me write this way.
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I know why they don't, but wow has led to conflicting report's
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confusion and a general sense that the sheriff is more
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interested in damage control than in clarity, as one law
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enforcement post or source put it to the post.
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Of course, this is an unnamed source.
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This is so far we only have one source named.
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The sheriff turned a serious investigation into a rolling
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spectacle, from questionable decisions to shifting narratives
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and a disastrous media cleanup tour that raised more questions
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than answered, the source said, speaking on condition of
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anonymity. Leadership in moments like this
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requires discipline, not damage control, the source added.
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OK, let me just add my little editorial here.
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OK, when? Remember that Sheriff Nanos,
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Sheriff Nanos's office is a political office.
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He runs for office. Now sometimes in, in areas like
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this, in counties like this, they are secure in their office,
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right? Actually, in my county, I think
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our sheriff, I think our sheriff.
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Is. 25 years, our sheriff, whenever he runs, which happened
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this last election cycle, nobody runs against him.
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They all like him. He's a good guy and he works
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hard and sheriffs do do different work here in
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Pennsylvania. They've they've been largely
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stripped of their law enforcement power.
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So it's, it's kind of different, but when I read sentences like
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leadership in moments like this requires discipline, not damage
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control, that source is a politician, at least to me.
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That's how I'm that's how I'm hearing it.
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This sounds like it's coming from a person who wants to be
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sheriff. I don't, but OK.
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Doesn't that sound like something?
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Leadership in moments like this requires discipline.
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I mean, you can, you can hear just pick your politician.
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You can hear any one of them saying that exact same sentence
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no matter where they are on the political spectrum, right?
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Leadership in moments like this requires discipline, not damage
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control. OK, Betsy Brantner Smith from
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the National Policing Association said Nanos failure
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to provide regular press briefings has added to the
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confusion. Quote, this is public
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information officer one O 1. I used to teach these classes as
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a law enforcement organization. You have to communicate with the
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media. Dang it guys, you know what is
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Oh, no, it passed. I thought we were going to have
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to bring out the old lionfish. All right, continuing the quote,
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you can't just stop talking to them or piece meal out
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information and that I mean I think that's fair.
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Nanos has he did a couple of press conferences and then he
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has been on a press tour. And again, you guys know me.
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I'm all about, I'm all about incentives, incentives, And
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maybe we call them disincentives when they're when there are
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negative incentives. They're all incentives,
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actually. But Sheriff Nanos is a
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politician, right? So him getting airtime is a
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politician's dream. It doesn't surprise me that he's
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doing what he's doing. He's just also going to get
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criticized for it. Nanos did not respond to a list
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of questions from The Post Wednesday.
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That would have been yesterday or to previous attempts to speak
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with him. Apparently Sheriff Nanos, if I'm
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reading between the lines here, is not a fan.
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Of the New York. Post 1 outspoken critic of Nanos
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has been Cross of the Sheriff's Deputies Association's Cross,
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who has twice sued Nanos in federal court.
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Oh my goodness. Accuse the sheriff of badly
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mishandling the communications aspect of the case.
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OK, so Cross has an axe to grind.
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If you're going to spend all day talking to media instead you can
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do a one hour press conference with someone capable of speaking
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clearly and professionally, Cross told the Post.
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OK, FBI feud. Actually, before we get into
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this part of it, because this is a long article, let's see what
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you guys are saying over here in the in the live chat.
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Joyce is saying. I'm beginning to think he's
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botching it on purpose. OK, possibly.
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Possibly. Let's see.
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Look how mountain is in Chattanooga, TN.
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Is it OK? I thought it was in Georgia.
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Awesome. Ohio Palm mom.
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Oh, it was Kent State. Yes, of course, yes, of course.
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That is the famous. Did you guys see the movie The
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Watchmen? I didn't read the graphic novel,
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but they're they have that scene, the Kent State scene in
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that. Oh my goodness.
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OK, I'm continuing to go. Blah blah blah blah blah blah
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blah. Do you think the sheriff's
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behavior has anything to do with the A&E show?
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Somebody did send that to me or share it with me on the in the
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tank. I think in the fish tank.
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If you guys don't know what the fish tank is, it's our group on
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Facebook. It's easy to get there.
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It's on gavinfish.com. Click on the little fishy icon
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up in the upper right hand corner.
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That will take you to the fish tank.
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And they do have a show. Now.
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Do I think the sheriff's behavior has anything to do with
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the A&E show? Let me tell you what I've
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learned about show business. OK, Which I it's not like I'm an
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expert. However, over the course of my
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little YouTube journey, OK, I've been approached by multiple
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production agencies, some of them big, and multiple news
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agencies, some of them huge. Who have wanted to engage my
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services for, you know, a documentary series or a reality
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show, OK. They're always on the lookout
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for, for, you know, stories to tell, especially in the in the
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reality space because that county has an A&E show.
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That tells me that if it was the sheriff, Sheriff Nanos who
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signed that contract, he really wanted the fame because and the
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reason that is my opinion is because those production
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companies are predatory when it comes to sharing their profits,
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meaning they don't share their profits.
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They are predatory, man. They, they will exact so much
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out of you and give you nothing in return or offer you.
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I mean, this is the reason why I was not in, you know, the the
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2020 documentary about Ellen Greenberg.
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It's because that production company was freaking predatory.
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And this is just my opinion, right?
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But it doesn't matter. I don't need to get into that.
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But that's just one example of many these days.
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I just say no right out of the gate.
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Hey, are you interested? No, don't even finish the the
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question. So, yeah, his behavior could
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have something to do with the A&E show.
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Scotch's mom says Brian interviewed the guy from the
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sheriff's association. I did see that interview.
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I think there's been more than one.
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Apparently he has protection and can speak out candidly as
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candidly. As he has been.
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Yeah, probably because the sheriff doesn't want to cross
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him because there's been lawsuits already and, you know,
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the guy has shown his willingness to be litigious
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about things. Let's see.
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Ohio Paw mom says Justice served interviewed a retired officer
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who painted him as as vindictive and someone who who uses
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retribution regularly. I saw.
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A similar interview. Yeah, a coffee time for Dee.
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I really think he is a scapegoat.
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Also, Chattanooga, TN has Lookout Mountain and we share it
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with Georgia. I see I.
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So I was only half wrong. I thought Lookout Mountain was
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in Georgia, but yeah, very cool. Very cool.
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Let's see, Peanut's mom made it late, but made it.
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And I'm glad you did. OK, let's continue our reading
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of this article from The Post. The FBI feud at the center of
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Nanos's apparently unwillingness to relinquish control of the
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case appears to be a long running feud with the FBI dating
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back to 2015 when he was appointed chief of the Pima
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County Sheriff's Department. So chief of the department but
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not sheriff? Is that when he was appointed?
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Was he the sheriff? Then?
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What? What's the difference between a
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a chief of a sheriff's? Department and a sheriff that's
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that's that's clumsily written but OK or I just don't have a
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meant enough mental faculty to figure it out.
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That same year, the FBI began investigating the department for
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misuse of civil asset forfeiture funds.
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Oh, don't get me started on that.
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Nanos was never charged, but the sheriff at the time was
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indicted, and Nanos lost the subsequent 2016 election for
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sheriff. OK, so he was appointed chief of
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the. Department, but not the sheriff.
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And then he lost the election. It is widely believed this is a
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quote He thinks the FBI cost him his election, Cross said Nanos
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was visibly furious in 2016 as he hit back at the FBI over its
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overspending allegations against his department department,
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calling the claims total BS. In an interview with K Gun 9.
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You can just see him seething with Rage Against the.
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FBI, Cross said, referring to the clip.
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OK, he's he's characterizing that whether he felt rage or
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not, the only person that would know that Sheriff Nanos.
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But Mr. Cross, that's his characterization.
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Good. OK, quote.
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That's the real Sheriff Nanos, the angry, vindictive guy.
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That's one we experience inside the department.
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Notice he didn't say experienced, He said experience.
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The aw shucks kind of persona that he portrays is kind of the
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character that he puts on. Interesting.
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Nanos was finally elected sheriff in 2020, which means
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he's twice elected at this point.
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OK, election controversy. So anyway, apparently he's
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vindictive. Well, it's.
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Reported that he's vindictive and he's upset at the FBI for
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costing him his first attempt at the election.
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OK, Nanos is in the job after winning re election over his
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Republican challenger Heather Lapin, amid controversial
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circumstances and a slim margin in 2024.
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The Democrat won by fewer than 500 votes after a bitter
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campaign that saw him place Lapin, then a Lieutenant, in at
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the Pima County Jail on administrative leave just weeks
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before the election. Oh my goodness.
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Wow. Cross was also placed on
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administrative leave at the time.
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OK Lapin filed a lawsuit against Nanos claiming that after she
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decided to run for office, quote, Sheriff Nanos and PCSD
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leadership waged A retaliatory campaign against Lieutenant
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Lapin's career in order to undermine her candidacy.
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Both Cross's and Lapin's cases are ongoing.
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Shortly after Nanos's victory, the Pima County Board of
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Supervisors unanimously voted for an independent investigation
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into whether Nanos was responsible for criminal
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wrongdoing during the election. The case was referred to
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Arizona's Democratic attorney general, but no charges were
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ever brought. That's shocking.
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One member of the Board of Supervisors told The Post that
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they too, were deeply frustrated with how slowly the case has
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been progressing. OK, and look, I, I'm just going
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to call balls and strikes here, OK?
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A 2 1/2 week investigation on a kidnapping case is not, is not
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slow progression. I, I don't see it.
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I'm maybe I'm wrong. Call me out if I'm wrong.
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Of course we wanted Nancy back the pronto, right?
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We wanted her back now. But but 2 1/2 weeks guy, it's
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too long. I, I, I happily admit that.
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Not happily, but I admit that. But protracted or slow?
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I don't think so. FBI wants to step in.
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They would if they could. More than two weeks into the
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case, the FBI is quote, growing frustrated. close quote, a
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federal source familiar with the case told The Post.
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Quote, over 2 weeks into this, the police have made no leads,
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no progress, the source said, continuing the quote.
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They were never confident in the glove, the source added,
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referring to the latex glove that rendered no DNA matches.
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If I can just quibble here, why? Why am I quibbling?
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Because I am. A professional.
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Quibble. Yeah.
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I love to quibble. I quibble for fun.
28:04
It is. Fun to quibble professionally
28:06
and I'm a. Professional Quibbler.
28:10
Maybe that's the reason he sent it to the Florida lab, because
28:14
he's like. We have to test.
28:16
This, it's not, we're not really confident in this, but we're
28:20
going to just send it there so the FBI don't have to worry
28:22
about that's just that's just playing devil's advocate, OK,
28:27
quote, the press conferences are not going well.
28:29
Giving press conferences without saying anything that's not
28:32
helpful. Close quote.
28:36
And then it gives a timeline here and I think we know the
28:39
timeline. So let me just skip down to this
28:44
scene. Surrender 1 of Nanos early
28:46
moves, which baffled many experts was his decision to
28:50
surrender Nancy, Nancy Guthrie's home just days into the
28:54
investigation. Quote In my professional
28:56
opinion, I believe they released the crime scene too early and
29:00
that was on Sheriff Nanos Brantner Smith, a former cop,
29:04
told the Post. And the confusing first few
29:07
first few days of the. Investigation reporters and
29:10
Internet true crime sleuths descended on Nancy Guthrie's
29:14
dusty Catalina Foothills neighborhood outside Tucson and
29:17
found to their shock that they were able to walk straight up to
29:20
the front door. Quote, every reporter I've
29:23
spoken with that's here on the ground could not believe that
29:26
they were allowed to walk up to the door the next day, Cross
29:29
said. Continuing the quote, I think
29:32
it's completely predictable that we would have to go back out
29:36
there again, he said, adding that the house should have been
29:38
locked down with crime scene tape and security.
29:45
It looks unprofessional. This is quoting again, it looks
29:49
amateurish to have to repeatedly go out there, he said.
29:53
It doesn't look good for our department when we've had
29:56
reporters walking up and it's essentially contaminating the
29:59
scene. Nanos has denied that his
30:02
department had relinquished the crime scene too early.
30:05
Quote, first of all, we didn't release the crime scene too
30:07
early. We finished.
30:08
We completed our crime scene done.
30:11
Ask my investigators. I don't go out there and do.
30:13
That they did it and they feel confident they retrieved
30:16
everything, he told the Green Valley News.
30:20
OK, plane wrong. Nanos has also faced criticism
30:23
for not immediately launching his department's high tech
30:26
aircraft when Nancy went missing, delaying the aerial
30:29
search for hours during the crucial first day of the
30:32
investigation. The apparent holed up in
30:35
deploying the Cessna plane, known as Survey One, was due to
30:40
a staffing shortage, according to insiders who blamed the
30:43
sheriff for the snafu. I'm curious about this real
30:46
quick. Let me, let me open this.
30:52
Is it just a little? Give me just a second.
30:56
Yeah, just a little Cessna. Usually anytime I've seen a
31:01
Cessna that is employed by police departments, usually like
31:04
a 182. Sometimes they're a little
31:06
bigger, like a two O 6 or 210. I've never seen that.
31:12
Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I've never seen a law
31:15
enforcement office have anything more than a single engine plane.
31:21
And the the high wing makes it makes visibility looking down
31:29
much better for the pilot and for the copilot and passengers
31:32
and so forth. So it makes perfect sense and,
31:34
and those planes are high performance.
31:39
But anyway, yeah, it's probably I'm because I'm an airplane
31:44
nerd. I probably shouldn't be looking
31:46
into it specifically, but but that's usually what it is.
31:49
Little I've even seen like 170 sevens and 170 twos, but 180
31:57
twos are the ones that I usually see in that in that position.
32:01
Pima County's most experienced and trained search and rescue
32:04
deputy was moved out of the unit in September 2025 without
32:09
replacement simply for just being there too long, according
32:12
to Cross. OK, the week before Nancy went
32:16
missing, another pilot tasked with flying Survey 1 was also
32:19
moved out, reportedly due to staff shortages.
32:22
Moving the pilot out the week before left us without our
32:25
airplane to immediately respond to this missing person, Cross
32:28
said. It was just a matter of time
32:30
before something terrible happened and it exposed the
32:33
self-imposed weakness that Nanos created, Cross added.
32:38
Hey, just just as a maybe public service announcement, OK.
32:46
And I know that flying, flying for a Police Department you
32:51
would be flying under far apart 135, right?
32:55
It's commercial. So you you have to have
32:59
commercially rated pilots to do that.
33:03
But there are so many pilots with so many hours that could be
33:08
called on and who would who have training in search and rescue
33:14
that could go and do that job almost like at the drop of a
33:19
hat. Now, I am not one of those
33:22
pilots because I don't have a commercial certification,
33:26
because I don't qualify for it, because I have because of my
33:31
eyes. But there are so many out there
33:36
and. People like me.
33:38
I would sit in the right chair with binoculars and I would do
33:41
the training out and I would happily do that on a volunteer
33:46
basis for for law enforcement agencies.
33:50
And I'm certain that there are thousands of us, you know,
33:53
aviation and you know, being a being a certificated pilot, it
33:59
really is kind of a fraternity slash sorority.
34:04
It is a brother sisterhood. We tend to hang out and
34:09
congregate and, and it's just, it's just kind of the way the
34:14
hobby works. And, and, and you, you can be
34:19
like a 20,000 hour 40 year commercial heavy airline pilot.
34:27
And he is just as nerdy as the student pilot with six hours
34:32
under her belt, right? It's like it's that kind of
34:36
fraternity there so few of us. And, and we all love aviation,
34:40
I'm telling you. And plus there's a Civil Air
34:43
Patrol and stuff like that. Come on.
34:47
So reading this kind of thing just bothers me.
34:52
But OK. Good cops under bad leadership.
34:55
This section says behind the scenes, many Pima County
34:57
deputies reportedly share the frustrations of the FBI and
35:01
experts on Nanos's handling of one of the most bewildering
35:04
kidnapping cases of our time. Quote, these officers are being
35:09
called the Keystone Cops and they and told they don't know
35:12
what they're doing, Brentner Smith, who served in law
35:14
enforcement in Chicago for three decades before moving to Pima
35:18
County, told the Post. And it's very frustrating
35:21
because these are very good police officers.
35:24
They're just not working under the best leadership.
35:27
And that might be guys, it might be an artifact of the fact that
35:32
the leadership is political. I, I keep returning to that and
35:36
harping on it. But it's the reality, right?
35:39
These kinds of things, I'm, I, it's less likely to happen in a,
35:45
on a police force than in a Sheriff's Department.
35:48
I think it's just my opinion. The Pima County Sheriff's
35:53
Department handled 12 homicides in 2024 and solved them all.
35:57
Deputies police the county of more than a million.
36:01
That's a good point. Quote, Nanos is not a good
36:03
communicator in my opinion, that is fueling so much of this
36:07
consternation and speculation as well as the unnecessary abuse,
36:11
abuse of our Pima County Sheriff's Department.
36:13
Smith added. The detectives are embarrassed
36:17
by the press conferences. Cross added Nanos previously
36:21
took aim at his critics over their attacks, singling out
36:24
Cross directly. Quote, Aaron Cross is just being
36:27
Aaron Cross. He is manipulative and he's a
36:29
liar, OK? He best be careful because the
36:33
further this goes for him, the deeper he's digging himself.
36:36
Nanos told Green Valley News. They're both public officials,
36:41
so they can say that about themselves.
36:43
So that is the article. I've got several other pieces of
36:48
news that I do want to share with you, but let's First off
36:52
bring Nancy's photo up, shall we, Javi, that, Oh, that was a
36:55
good choice. And let's see what what is being
36:58
said over in the live chat. Let's see.
37:18
Scotch's mom says Gavin say that to her family as well.
37:25
You're probably talking because these aren't real time chats
37:30
that we have with one another, right?
37:32
You're probably talking about me saying 2 1/2 weeks isn't a long
37:36
time. No, I completely and and I
37:40
thought that I made that pretty clear, but I'll say it again.
37:45
It's. Too long.
37:47
And and the family is being yes, I mean raked over the coals on
37:53
this. It's.
37:54
Too. Long, but does anybody have any
37:59
statistics on how long missing person cases?
38:02
What's the average? What's the average missing
38:05
person's case in in the United States?
38:09
Let's find out from Uncle Google.
38:11
What's the average amount of time a missing person is
38:18
typically? Missing.
38:21
Let's see what Uncle Google says.
38:26
The majority of Oh OK, I might stand corrected Scott's mom.
38:30
The majority of reported missing persons are located to return
38:33
home within 24 to 72 hours. Statistics indicate the 76 to
38:38
79% of individuals, both adults and children, are found within
38:42
the 1st 24 hours. Generally, 90% of all missing
38:46
persons are resolved within a month.
38:48
OK, within a month, let's say time a kidnapping victim.
38:55
Let's do that for a kidnapping victim.
39:01
Let's see most. The average length of time a
39:05
child is missing varies greatly depending on the type of
39:08
abduction, ranging from just hours in many cases to an
39:11
average of over 300 days for family abductions.
39:16
So Scotch's mom, I guess I'm wrong.
39:19
Within 24 hours is 75 to 80%. This is talking about children.
39:26
31% within the first one to three days.
39:29
Long term missing. Less than 2% of children are
39:31
missing for longer than a week. Family abductions.
39:36
These are the longest. Let's see a.
39:40
Kidnapped and an adult. Let's see.
39:45
Kidnapping victim. Let's see if we can do a little
39:49
research on that, OK? Based on data from the FBI and
39:53
other law enforcement sources, approximately 70 to 75% of
39:57
reported missing adults are located or returned within 48 to
40:00
72 hours. But these are missing people,
40:02
not kidnapping victims. I don't know.
40:07
I. Maybe I'm wrong.
40:08
I just, I just feel like, I just feel like this, this case is
40:15
moving at about the pace that I kind of expected it.
40:17
I get, I guess. That's what I'm saying and and I
40:20
don't want to come off as uncaring or unkind on this
40:24
right, but it's just how I feel. G smile.
40:31
Sarah loves the quibble button. Yes, I like the quibble button.
40:34
I probably like a little too much, but I'm glad you do too.
40:38
Coffee time for Dee. I feel if she is still with us
40:41
that they took her to Mexico. I feel that's why it's been so
40:45
long. We're going to get into the
40:46
Mexican angle here in just a second.
40:48
Thank you for the comment. Black widower member for five
40:51
months. Well or not welcome.
40:52
Thank you is what I meant. Couple more things before we go.
41:00
Let's see. I'm late but I live in the city
41:02
that has a government agency and a sports team that deal with or
41:06
is named after the stars. Government agency and a sports
41:11
team that deal with a government.
41:15
Oh, Houston? Are you from Houston?
41:18
I think you're probably from Houston.
41:21
OK, couple more Tiff, I did know.
41:26
That, yes, very cool. Very cool.
41:29
Ghisla is an impressive person. Scotch's mom, yes, that's what I
41:34
was talking about. OK, Mooney says Gavin and the
41:37
family has this back and forth, complaining about each other.
41:39
I can't imagine that's true. That's true, Casey says.
41:43
Thanks for doing this, Gavin. Some people.
41:45
Are afraid to appreciate the coverage.
41:46
You're welcome. Jenny says, I don't think you
41:49
ever come off as uncaring or kind.
41:51
Well, thank you and Sharky agrees.
41:53
Thank you both for that. Then thank you for extending
41:56
grace on that. I I appreciate that.
42:00
OK, let's move over to back over to the old Acrobat and let's go
42:10
to News Nation of it Got a couple of sister companies
42:18
reporting here. OK, so we're we're going to read
42:22
both this from News Nation written by Allie Bradley and
42:26
Jeff Arnold or Ali Bradley. Bradley, Ali Bradley or Ali
42:31
Bradley, not sure. Cartels cannot be ruled out in
42:34
Nancy Guthrie case as according to an ex US Marshall, the FBI
42:40
has contacted Mexican authorities in connection with
42:42
the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, News Nation sources
42:45
say. Hold your comments on that
42:48
because I know that they're, I know that Mexico's saying
42:50
something different. Just hold, hold on.
42:53
But there is no evidence to suggest that Mexican drug
42:55
cartels were involved, according to the Pima County Sheriff's
42:58
Office. And then, as the search for the
43:03
Mother of Today Show host Savannah Guthrie continues
43:06
throughout its third week, investigators searching for
43:09
clues around Guthrie's home believe the crime has local ties
43:12
rather than extending into Mexico.
43:14
Guthrie's home is located in the Catalina foothills outside of
43:17
Tucson, which is about 60 miles from the US Mexico border.
43:21
Pima County investigators declined to confirm FBI contact
43:26
with Mexican officials. Sources.
43:28
Told News Nation, although evidence around the 84 year old
43:31
Guthrie's home points to a violent confrontation between
43:34
Guthrie and the person who took her, the methods used in the
43:38
kidnapping did not match up with those used by Mexican
43:41
transnational criminal organizations.
43:44
I think, I think what they're pointing to is probably the
43:46
blood when they're talking about a violent confrontation is the
43:49
blood on the front porch. Across northern Mexico, cartel
43:55
groups routinely target migrants, often pulling buses
43:59
over, separating passengers and demanding ransom.
44:02
And 1 high profile case, dozens of migrants were forced off of a
44:05
commercial bus by armed men, later released only after
44:08
families were contacted for payment.
44:11
Cartel involvement shouldn't be ruled out in the Guthrie case,
44:14
according to a former US Marshall.
44:15
However, a former US Marshall who worked along the border told
44:19
News Nation Thursday that although the methods used in
44:21
Guthrie's disappearance do not point to how cartels typically
44:25
operate, it is important not to dismiss the cartel involvement
44:29
altogether. Quote, if this does involve
44:32
Mexican drug cartels, I think it was done with the blessing of
44:35
the mix. I think it was done with the OH.
44:39
Let me Javi, Javi, dude, I'm you are earning your pay today.
44:44
Take two on this one, Mark, quote.
44:47
If this does involve Mexican drug cartels, I think it was
44:50
done with the blessing of the Mexican cartels.
44:52
That is the worst sentence ever, OK.
44:55
Robert Almonte, a former US Marshall and the retired deputy
44:59
chief with the El Paso Police Department, quote.
45:02
And they probably reached out to somebody.
45:03
To do the kidnapping, he added. This is right up the Mexican
45:06
cartels alley. Almonte said that the image of a
45:11
man captured by Guthrie's doorbell camera does not appear
45:14
to be someone who would be considered a mid to high-ranking
45:17
cartel member or official and characterizations of the man's
45:21
actions. As sloppy, he said that street
45:24
gangs operating in Tucson, in the area that may have
45:29
connections to the cartel should not be ruled out as being
45:31
involved in Guthrie's disappearance.
45:33
Almonte said Tucson is Ground Zero for the trafficking of
45:37
fentanyl into the United States, especially by the Sinaloa
45:40
Cartel, which is the most active Mexican cartel in Arizona.
45:46
What distinguishes Mexican cartel kidnappings from other
45:49
abductions as the investigation continues into possible clues?
45:52
Into Guthrie's likely abduction, other factors distinguish the
45:55
ways that Mexican cartels kidnap people from what is being
45:58
considered in the Arizona case. Boy am I glad right now.
46:02
Just there are a lot of reasons to love Arizona, to love the
46:06
Southwest. Right now I'm glad I'm in the
46:08
Northeast. Just thinking about the danger
46:11
of this. The cartels do not traditionally
46:15
target US homes, but instead focus on major transit corridors
46:20
like Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, and other Mexican border states to
46:25
the US. Targets of cartel kidnappings
46:28
typically focus on migrants traveling across the border on
46:31
buses or freight trains, or who find their way into cartel stash
46:34
houses. Armed cartel members who are
46:36
involved in a kidnapping will routinely force a bus to stop
46:40
and will kidnap passengers and then hold the hostages while
46:43
negotiating over a series of days.
46:46
Cartels typically rely on extortion.
46:48
Ransom cartels typically rely on extortion and ransom families
46:53
abroad. In the Guthrie cases, several
46:55
random letters have been sent to media outlets, including TMZ,
46:58
with specific dollar Bitcoin amounts being demanded in
47:01
exchange for information about Guthrie's whereabouts.
47:04
Local officials have been slow to speak on the nature of the
47:07
ransom letters, but have announced one arrest of a person
47:10
who was characterized as a ransom imposter.
47:12
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah.
47:15
Almonte, the former US Marshall, said that cartels are involved
47:19
in kidnappings for money daily, which is further evidence that
47:22
the criminal organization's possible involvement in the
47:24
Guthrie case cannot be completely dismissed.
47:28
If Mexican cartels are involved, they targeted Missus Guthrie
47:31
because of who she is and also who her family members are,
47:34
specifically Savannah Guthrie, Almonte told News Nation.
47:37
But this is all about making money and this is what the
47:40
Mexican cartels are all about. They know the family has money.
47:44
They know Nancy Guthrie is a profile, high profile target.
47:47
They know they would get attention.
47:49
They know they would get reaction.
47:50
I think that's what we're seeing going on right now.
47:53
So that's his opinion. Now in the Hill, which is a
47:57
sister publication, Mexico Sonora AG denies formal FBI
48:04
request in Nancy Guthrie case. Now I just want to.
48:07
Clue you in if. You aren't already because
48:09
you're smart, Smart people. I want to clue you in to to
48:14
specific wording. OK, this is what I refer to as a
48:20
qualifier, right? Sources.
48:24
In one in many publications are saying the FBI has reached out
48:27
to Mexican officials. In this one, it says Mexico's AG
48:33
denies formal FBI request. So these two things might be
48:44
parallel truths, OK? And this one might be the truth
48:47
that misleads a little bit. Just just kind of put your
48:51
thinking caps on on that one, OK?
48:53
Anytime there's a qualifier like that that they're trying to
48:58
exclude something, right? It's it's a filter OK Written by
49:05
Max Rego in the Hill or Rego. The attorney general of the
49:10
Mexican state of Sonora clarified Wednesday that his
49:13
office has not received a formal request from the FBI to
49:16
collaborate in the search for 84 year old Nancy Guthrie.
49:19
The office of Sonora Attorney General Gustavo Romulo Salas
49:23
Chavez wrote on the social media platform X in Spanish quote it
49:27
has not received a formal request for collaboration in the
49:31
case of a missing person in Arizona, referring to Guthrie.
49:35
Sonora borders Arizona and its capital, Hermosigo.
49:40
It's roughly is roughly 250 miles South of Catalina
49:44
Foothills, Arizona, the unincorporated community where
49:47
Guthrie's home is located. By the way, if you heard me
49:52
pronounce that word and you say to yourself, it's not how you
49:55
pronounce that word, Gavin. You say you speak Spanish.
50:00
Well, listen to me, bucko. All right?
50:03
You just listen right now. I learned Spanish in Argentina.
50:07
They speak a little different there.
50:08
OK, OK. In Mexico they would say
50:11
hermosio, but we don't say that. In La Argentina we say hermosio
50:17
sometimes. There's more of an SH and less
50:19
of AJ hermosio sometimes, but I don't find that to be as
50:24
beautiful. All right, to date, this
50:26
institution has not received any formal request for
50:29
collaboration, assistance or exchange in of information with
50:33
the US authorities or Mexican federal agencies in relation to
50:36
the case. Again, no formal request,
50:39
Chavez's office added. It also noted that quote should
50:43
an official request, again, official request be received
50:47
through the appropriate institutional channels, I will
50:49
be attending to with full. Willingness and within the
50:53
framework of its legal powers and the existing cooperation
50:57
mechanisms. Man, that just seems like
50:59
somebody used ChatGPT to translate what he said in
51:02
Spanish. But OK, we get it, We get it.
51:05
Multiple media outlets, including The Hill's sister
51:07
network, News Nation, previously reported that the FBI, which is
51:10
working on the case alongside the Pima County Sheriff's Office
51:13
or. Department has contacted the
51:15
Mexican government and Mexican law enforcement.
51:17
The Hill has reached out to the FBI for comment.
51:21
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
51:22
The FBI is offering a reward of up to $100,000 for information.
51:27
And then of course, 88 Crime is offering $102,500.
51:32
So we're now at 2O25. Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos
51:37
told News Nation's Brian Antton on Tuesday that authorities have
51:40
only obtained Google Nest video from the front of the house, and
51:44
Google is working to retrieve footage from other cameras.
51:46
We've learned that the FBI is encouraging those with tips to
51:50
reach out to 1800, call FBI or tips.fbi.gov.
51:54
PCSD also said last week people can submit tips at 88 Crime or
51:58
520-351-4900. And yeah, so that is that is
52:05
that. Could it possibly be that Nancy
52:09
Guthrie is across the border? I I think it's just as possible
52:14
as being across the state border.
52:18
I hope not. I hope she's.
52:20
Close, I hope she's well. I hope that they've gotten her
52:23
her life saving medication. But yeah, that's that is the
52:29
news there. Let's hop back into hang on just
52:37
one second. Let me just I just see something
52:40
in the comments I want to look at.
52:57
OK, I I saw a Rest in peace Joe Rogan.
53:00
I went what? OK, scrolling on down burn.
53:07
Dog says I saw a pic somewhere today that Harvey Levin was
53:11
hooked up to a lie detector test.
53:14
OK, sounds a little stuntish by the TMZ founder.
53:20
Yeah, that's funny. Let's see the.
53:26
Blah blah blah. Reminds me of La Techia starch
53:29
calls to husband Al. That's funny.
53:34
Yeah. I just anytime they're they're
53:37
doing kind of like the the job of like a nut graph of just
53:41
quickly summarizing what's been going on.
53:43
I yadda, yadda that we, we don't need to go go in there.
53:48
Oh, and Betsy says it's a running joke with trolls.
53:51
OK, I got it. I got it.
53:52
Now I've learned. I've learned.
53:54
Thank you very much. Betsy's tag.
53:57
Not I'm not saying thank you to Betsy.
53:59
I'm saying Betsy's tag. Thank you very much.
54:02
I appreciate that. All right.
54:05
What time is it? What time is it?
54:06
Man, this one's going to go a little bit long.
54:08
Too. But why don't we right now, head
54:12
on in? To three questions, shall we?
54:15
It's three questions with Gavin. Fish how?
54:23
OK in this segment guys, you know the rules.
54:26
If you don't, let me just explain it real quick.
54:28
I have an e-mail address. It is 3 questions at
54:30
gavinfish.com. It is spelled out.
54:33
Using the Greco Roman alphabet, it's there are no numerals in
54:41
there, just three questions at gavinfish.com and you can send
54:45
in as many questions as you want as often as you want.
54:48
I will ask you to please keep them brief.
54:50
Keep it pithy, keep it short. Don't.
54:53
Use it as a cheat code to send an e-mail to me to to chat.
54:58
That's breaking them their rules.
54:59
We got rules for a reason. If you want to reach out to me,
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go to gavinfish.com, click on the little envelope.
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And reach out to me there, OK, But send your questions, many or
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few to three questions at gavinfish.com.
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And my solemn promise is to answer all of the questions, but
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I reserve the right to do so in the order in which I would like
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to do it. The ones that I think are the
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most interesting go make their way to the top.
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It's the cream that it's the proverbial cream that floats to
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the top. Here we go.
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Question number one, Gavin, this is from Diane.
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What true crime movie would you recommend?
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Well, I am a movie buff. OK, I am a movie buff, but I'm
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not like a true crime movie. I'm kind of.
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Documentaried out, I got to tell you.
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So I'm not going to I'm not going to choose a doc.
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But recently I rewatched and this is a This is a movie that I
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watch all the time it I go back to it.
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Time and time and time again, I think the acting is terrific.
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I think the script is amazing and of course the story is just
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captivating. And I also like that it was the
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very first mainstream Hollywood movie that was recorded
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digitally. I don't know.
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That little piece of of trivia is important to me, I guess.
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It stars Robert Downey Junior. It stars Jake Gyllenhaal.
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It stars. What's his name?
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Not what is his name. You're like, tell me the name of
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the movie and I'll tell you the name of the actor.
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No, I'm not. I'm not going.
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I'm not going to let you do that.
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The cast is OK. Jake Gyllenhaal.
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Mark Ruffalo, Robert Downey junior, Anthony Edwards was in
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it, Dermot Mulroney was in it. It's a great, great movie, great
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cast. And that is the 2007 film
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Zodiac. I love it and I, I probably
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watch it once every year or two. Very good.
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If you haven't watched it, you should watch it.
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Very good question #2 and and by the way.
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I, I love it when you guys answer these questions.
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So for question number one, what is a true crime movie that you
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would recommend? And question #2 this from Bernie
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who asked what was a scary movie I saw as a kid.
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What is a scary movie as an adult?
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OK, I'm not into scary movies. OK.
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I am. I am.
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I'm not into horror movies. I guess I do like I do like the
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like intellectual ticklers, the ones that just kind of creepy,
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right? What is the name of the movie?
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Hold on I? It stars Denzel Washington and
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hold on John Goodman. It is called Fallen 1998.
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Oh, I love fallen. I can't watch it all that often
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because it still creeps me out, but I, well, I don't want to
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give away the ending, but it was 1998, guys.
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You know what? I feel like if it has been more
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than 25 years and you haven't seen it, then spoilers just just
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give us the La La La La, La La so that you don't get a spoiler.
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But let me just tell you this quick story, OK?
58:42
Is this a tangent? You know what I need?
58:43
I need to hire Wanda. I have put in a questionnaire to
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Wanda to see what instrument she plays because I think when I
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when I'm doing something like this that isn't a tangent, it's
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more of like a memory, I would like some sort of kind of music.
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To to a flashback cue, right? OK, hopefully Wanda will get
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back to me and maybe Wanda can join the staff.
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OK, so Kimberly and I got married in November of 1999 and
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one of the things that we we moved into this cheap little 2
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bedroom apartment in Carmichael, CA and she grew up in a family
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without a television. I grew up in a family where the
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television was the center of the house.
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So our compromise was we used the second bedroom as our TV
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room and it worked. Out really well because.
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You know, early on in our relationship, because we only
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knew each other from from the moment we met to the moment we
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were married, is 5 1/2 months. It could have been three days.
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As far as I'm concerned, 5 1/2 months was too long.
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But but it was a short time, right?
59:59
And so I wanted to watch this movie Fallen, and she just said
1:00:04
that seems too creepy. I'm going to bed.
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So she's in our bedroom, I am in the little TV room and I'm
1:00:11
watching this movie, which is kind of a a paranormal
1:00:15
psychological thriller and the. Last scene involves a cat.
1:00:23
I'll just put it that way. I don't I want total spoiler but
1:00:26
involves a cat and then the the cat shows its its little face
1:00:32
and then the credits roll on. You're just like.
1:00:35
I still can't listen to Time Is on My Side by The Rolling Stones
1:00:39
because of this movie. OK, so I am creeped out and we
1:00:43
are in a strange place because we just moved into this
1:00:46
apartment. I'm feeling all weird and creepy
1:00:48
and I'm excited to get into bed with my beloved, my snuggly, my
1:00:52
sweetie part, my sweetie pie, my snuggly bear.
1:00:54
Right, and and just like. Not because it freaked me out.
1:01:01
So I go, I go into bed and uncharacteristically of me, I
1:01:07
snuggle in tight because I'm, I'm, I'm just, I'm weirded out
1:01:13
because of this cat. It was a great ending.
1:01:18
And then just as I'm settling down outside our window, these
1:01:23
two cats start fine. And it made me jump out of bed,
1:01:30
man. So yes, the the answer to your
1:01:32
question, what is a scary movie as an adult?
1:01:35
It is fallen Denzel Washington. It is so good.
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But I, I don't think I've watched it since since 1999.
1:01:47
OK question #3I I'd love to hear what you think is a scary movie
1:01:51
as an adult. OK.
1:01:53
From Jude and this this is a question that has come up a
1:01:56
couple times. If you could go back to a
1:01:58
specific. Time in your life or any time in
1:02:00
history? What would it be and why?
1:02:04
Anytime in history. I am a bit of a history buff.
1:02:10
I would like. I would like the.
1:02:11
Opportunity to maybe maybe convince Bavaria that it
1:02:22
listening to this crazy guy with a weird mustache is probably a
1:02:25
bad idea. That'd that'd be a good thing to
1:02:27
do. So maybe seeing what's leading
1:02:31
up to World War 2 would be something that would be that'd
1:02:34
be cool to go back and do in my own lifetime.
1:02:41
I have so many happy memories that I would love to just be a
1:02:44
family on the wall and just watch it happen again.
1:02:51
You know, like, let me think. I don't know, like, like first
1:03:02
kisses would be kind of fun to watch.
1:03:04
Do you remember that feeling of like, oh, should I lean in?
1:03:09
Does he or she feel the same way?
1:03:12
Oh, I'm putting myself out there.
1:03:14
And then like the the just. Rush of adrenaline.
1:03:18
When, when you are successful. Oh, yeah.
1:03:25
That and you know, yeah. So first kisses would be fun to
1:03:29
do. I would, I would love to go back
1:03:34
again as a family on a wall and see my parents as they were
1:03:38
raising little kids, right? Maybe maybe when they just maybe
1:03:43
so if it was in my lifetime, maybe when I'm like 10 days old,
1:03:46
see what my parents are up to. Because they were, they were
1:03:49
young kids themselves. I was child #4 but they started
1:03:54
having kids when they were teenagers, different time.
1:03:58
So yeah, I just like to maybe, maybe understand my parents a
1:04:04
little more. I would I would love to hear
1:04:05
what what your thoughts are on that in your own life.
1:04:11
And while you are putting that in your comments, let's hop into
1:04:16
some headlines. True.
1:04:23
Crime. Headlines cow OK, join me over
1:04:28
here. This this was reported in Yahoo.
1:04:31
I'm not going to read the whole thing, but just just a quick,
1:04:34
quickie here. Rob Reiner's family reportedly
1:04:36
keeping distance from the alleged killer son Nick amid his
1:04:40
stay in jail. Nick Reiner has reportedly not
1:04:44
yet received and this was published today, has not yet
1:04:48
received any visits from family members amid his stay in jail
1:04:51
after being accused of killing his parents, Rob Reiner and
1:04:53
Michelle Singer Reiner. By the way, his his next court
1:04:58
appearance, I believe is Monday. I will be in the air.
1:05:02
Let's see. I don't think that I will be
1:05:06
live streaming on Monday. I'm going to.
1:05:09
Yeah. Let's just take this.
1:05:10
Let me just take a moment here. Next week I am going to be
1:05:14
heading back to California for some meetings and to check in on
1:05:18
the old Figgity. Folks.
1:05:20
I'm traveling on Monday so I will not be live streaming
1:05:23
Monday, but I will be live streaming the rest of the week
1:05:26
from my parents house. At least that's the plan for
1:05:30
now. I might, I might live stream
1:05:32
from somewhere else depending, but it's going to be, it's going
1:05:36
to be a technologically toned down live stream, but we're
1:05:40
going to do it none the less, OK?
1:05:43
Relatives are said to be keeping their distance as they struggle
1:05:46
to come to terms with the accusations against him while
1:05:49
also mourning the deaths of Rob and Michelle Reiner.
1:05:52
The accused is due to appear in court again on the 23rd.
1:05:54
Which is what I just said. It represented by a public
1:05:56
defender and the rest of it is rather tabloidy.
1:06:00
So I just thought that I'd share that with you.
1:06:03
Keep keeping the Reiner murders top of mine to US headline #2
1:06:11
Christian Blood reports in KTSA. Brad Simpson defense team
1:06:16
questions, credibility of multiple officials ahead of
1:06:18
time. Yeah, good luck with this
1:06:19
Stateline San Antonio. Defense attorneys for a man
1:06:24
accused of killing his missing wife for filing a motion that
1:06:26
questions multiple law enforcement officials ahead of a
1:06:30
trial now delayed until at least late March.
1:06:34
Ken's 5 reports the three people targeted in the motion are
1:06:36
almost Park Police Chief Fidel Villegas.
1:06:39
Almost Park Police Sergeant Melissa Campbell and Texas
1:06:43
Ranger Jesse Paris Brad Simpson is accused in the death of
1:06:48
Suzanne Simpson, who went missing in October 2024 and has
1:06:51
not been seen since. Brad is the only named suspect
1:06:55
in the case. Defense attorneys want to
1:06:57
examine whether Chief V Jegas, we would say, allowed Almost
1:07:02
Park Mayor Aaron Harrison to look at physical evidence
1:07:04
related to the case. Simpson's lawyers believe if
1:07:07
true, this action could have violated A gag order that may
1:07:10
have already been in place. So we've read a little bit about
1:07:14
that. We will see what happens with
1:07:15
that motion. And then lastly AB7 Chicago the
1:07:20
I team written by Mark Rivera, Barb Markov Christine Tressel
1:07:24
and Tom Jones are reporting Chicago tax attorney Adam
1:07:28
Bakarink accused of murdering wife at South Loop con South
1:07:32
Loop condo pleads not guilty Dateline Chicago A Chicago tax
1:07:37
attorney accused of murdering his wife pleaded not guilty
1:07:39
during an arraignment hearing Thursday.
1:07:43
Today, Adam Backer Inc 47, is accused of killing his 36 year
1:07:47
old wife Caitlin Tracy bring her up here in October of 2024 by
1:07:53
throwing her down a 29 story stairwell in the couple's high
1:07:56
rise condo building in the South Loop.
1:08:00
Along with six murder charges, Cook County prosecutors, we read
1:08:05
this yesterday have added multiple concealment of a
1:08:08
homicidal death and false reporting charges against
1:08:10
Bakarink. So he appeared in court today
1:08:14
pleaded not guilty. He's next due in court on March
1:08:17
18th. And those guys, are you
1:08:21
headlines true crime? Headlines.
1:08:29
Okie, dokie, let us go to the comments real quick to wrap out
1:08:38
the show. Emmy says I recommend The
1:08:40
Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox on Hulu.
1:08:42
That is a good recommendation. Reality Vacation says, Oh yeah,
1:08:48
Zodiac is one of my repeat movies.
1:08:50
It's so good. Robin says the scariest movies
1:08:54
I've seen is the news. That's funny.
1:08:57
That is funny. Mooney says I still think
1:09:00
there's a place for Dory. We can put her to work somehow.
1:09:04
Let's let's take baby steps. Let's see let's see what Wanda
1:09:08
what what Wanda is is is thinking what what kind of
1:09:14
instrument she plays Peanuts mom.
1:09:16
Yep, from Houston. I guessed it correctly yeah, me.
1:09:20
Let's see Lucy Fair coming to us live I.
1:09:24
Think just just based on the name from probably the kitchen,
1:09:30
the adjoining kitchen in the void which is the dwelling of
1:09:35
payment of the underworld. I watched ET as a kid and it
1:09:40
unsettled me so much. I won't ever watch it as an
1:09:43
adult. When ET was in the isolation
1:09:45
tent, it saddened me. More than scared me, but sadness
1:09:49
as a kid is scary. I remember the same feelings.
1:09:53
I remember sitting in the theater in Camas, Utah.
1:09:57
I remember this specifically Next or No no, no, not Camas,
1:10:03
Heber City, UT and I was looking over at my Big Brother, the Big
1:10:08
Macho. Brother that I had and he was
1:10:11
bawling his eyes out and my mom was saying to him, don't worry
1:10:14
sweetie, don't worry sweetie, he's going to be OK.
1:10:17
And yeah, we were all that. That was a sad and unsettling
1:10:23
scene for sure. Diane says Silence of the Lambs.
1:10:27
That is a terrific movie. Terrific.
1:10:32
Scotch's mom. Please see my comment for three
1:10:34
questions. No, you send them into the
1:10:37
e-mail address. They're rules burn dog.
1:10:43
I'd like to go back to my teenage years.
1:10:45
So much fun and carefree yes, assuming that there's no
1:10:49
butterfly effect and we're not going to mess things up because
1:10:52
I like where it is that I landed the teenage years were a blast
1:10:57
and and I am so sorry for the people who didn't have that
1:11:00
experience. But for me, dude, starting, I
1:11:04
would say starting at at I mean. You have to know sadness to know
1:11:09
joy too, right? So it's not like it was all just
1:11:12
rainbows and lollipops. But starting from about the time
1:11:16
I was maybe 12 to the time I was 19, that was just, that was just
1:11:23
so much fun. And it would be a blast to go
1:11:26
back and re experience it or at least at least be able to watch
1:11:32
it happening, right? It just it'd be fun.
1:11:36
It'd be lots of fun. All right, guys, thanks so much
1:11:38
for those questions and thanks so much for the answers.
1:11:41
It's delightful that we get to do that with one another.
1:11:44
We will be back to finish out the wink straw the wink Javi
1:11:49
take 2 the weak strong tomorrow at 6:00 PM Eastern Time right
1:11:56
here on this very station. I want to keep Nancy Guthrie top
1:12:01
of mind, but they're also. Oh, Scotch's mom, you asked me
1:12:06
for answers to the three questions above and I gave them.
1:12:09
Oh, did you put GF in them? I didn't see it.
1:12:12
Hold on. Let's see.
1:12:14
Let's see. No, I don't see it.
1:12:22
Scotch's mom. I don't.
1:12:24
I want to. I want to grab it.
1:12:27
Let me see if I can find it the old fashioned way.
1:12:33
Scotch's mom. I don't think so.
1:12:49
For some reason it's not showing it on my end.
1:12:52
I'm, I'm sorry you got to put GF in there for me really to see
1:12:56
it. All right guys, thank you for
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watching. Thank you for joining.
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