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New Look at the Evidence in the Nancy Guthrie Case | Something’s WAY Off | Where's Nancy? · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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  You know, there is something, there's something wrong smelling
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  something, something foul. And it's that this case doesn't
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  seem to be going anywhere. And I want to take a new look at
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  the evidence in the Nancy Guthrie case to see if we might
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  be able to eke out anything, anything new.
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  Any idea of what happened to Nancy Guthrie?
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  Police said in the beginning it was Sheriff Nanos who spoke in
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  the beginning saying, hey, we know why she was taken.
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  We know that she was targeted. And he back backtracked, he
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  sidetracked. He got down on all fours in the
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  crab style. The guy, the guy was just weird
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  about how he discussed the case publicly.
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  But I think from the beginning, they had a pretty darn good idea
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  why Nancy Guthrie was taken. So what I'm hoping to do
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  tonight, I want to go through a couple of stories that have hit
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  the news today and in the past couple of days over the weekend
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  with experts weighing in on opinions on what they think
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  happened. And then I want to dig into what
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  the evidence. I want to take a new look at the
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  evidence that we've seen so far. I want you guys to get your
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  little, you know, get your fingers and your thumbs ready to
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  type into that live chat because we're going to have hopefully a
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  good conversation. And I, I want to know your
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  opinions. I want to know your thoughts.
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  I want to know your theories. So maybe do some stretches,
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  right? Maybe do get some, get some
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  stretches and get ready for a good conversation tonight.
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  Also on the docket tonight. Let's see.
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  We're going to do 3 questions. Of course, we've got some news
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  to talk about in the world of true crime.
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  The biggest piece of news that I think that is happening today is
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  that the stepbrother of Anna Kepner has been charged as an
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  adult. We're going to get into that.
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  I actually have some documents to look at.
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  So tonight might be a little bit longer than normal, might be a
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  little bit longer. Hopefully that's OK with you
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  guys. We got some good news to get
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  into. We've really got a great show,
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  so I hope you stick around. This video contains mature
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  themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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  Viewer discretion is advised. Hello there, my friend.
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  Welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
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  Gavin Fish. Thank you very much for tuning
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  in. I, I'm very grateful.
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  on the Anna Kepner case, the indictment, and so forth.
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  So you guys, your support is awesome.
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  I've put a goal up to try to get 10 super chats tonight.
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  Hopefully we'll hit that goal, but I want you to know that I'm
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  best chat on YouTube. OK, where do we want to get in?
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  I think what we'll do. Let's just do a little recap,
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  shall we? The case that we're talking
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  about tonight is the case of missing 84 year old Nancy
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  Guthrie. Nancy was abducted, according to
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  police, from her Catalina Foothills area home in the
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  Tucson, AZ area. This is a neighborhood that is
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  an upscale neighborhood. These are bigger lots.
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  These are $1,000,000 homes. This is a place without
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  sidewalks. A beautiful desert landscape, no
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  lights, you know, for various reasons, one of which is it's
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  the country and they want to be able to see the stars, things
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  like that, right? They don't want to, they don't
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  want that light pollution. But somebody, somebody looking
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  like this, came up to Nancy Guthrie's door in the wee hours
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  of February 1st of this year of our Lord 2026, and entered the
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  house, ostensibly or assumedly awakened Nancy out of her bed.
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  Nancy, an 84 year old woman with a heart condition, with back
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  pain, the inability for her to even go to the mailbox,
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  according to Savannah Guthrie, without immense pain.
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  She's an older lady. I think many of us who have
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  aging parents, we understand just how fragile they are.
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  Or maybe we are the aging parents.
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  We understand how fragile we are, right?
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  And she was taken, I think, out the front door where her blood
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  was spilt on the front door step.
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  And she has not been heard from or seen again, though we've
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  gotten lots of messages, lots of ransom notes, lots of I think, I
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  think scams, fraud in this and leaving behind that scamminess
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  and fraudsterness, I think is a wake of terror, sadness,
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  loneliness for her children. And which includes Savannah
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  Guthrie, the Today Show Co host on NB CS Today Show.
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  That is the recap. Now, before I get into a new
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  look at the at the evidence that we know about, I want to bring
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  up a couple of I've actually got three articles.
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  We've got a lot of content tonight.
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  If I mention that we got a lot of content to work through
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  tonight. You know what I should do
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  though, before we get into this, I should check in with all y'all
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  much. I, I really appreciate you.
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  Thank you for starting us out. Also for Bud Brown for getting
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  tonight's show started. Thank you for that super chat.
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  Thank you Pammy, I appreciate that.
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  Assiniboea, Saskatchewan, Canada.
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  I murdered that name, which I guess is apropos considering we
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  Oh, my goodness. We got all the British Isles.
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  We got at least two of them. Glad you're here.
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  George Custer. Very cool.
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  San Jose, Kentucky, Ohio, you guys are the best.
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  Okie Dokie, where did I say we're going to start?
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  Join me if you will, over here on my Acrobat.
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  This is written by Dan Clarendon from TV Insider.
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  Thank you very much, Boudica, by the way.
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  Goodness, I'm. You guys are guys are taking
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  care of me tonight. Goodness sake.
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  Let's see. Boudica, thank you very much for
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  that super chat. Did I get it up right?
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  There we go. Awesome.
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  Really appreciate that. And sassy me.
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  Thank you very much for that super chat.
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  I want to make sure that I got. Yeah, I got everything.
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  OK, Good deal. All right.
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  Written by Dan Clarendon for tvinsider.com Nancy Guthrie
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  update Something went very wrong in kidnapping Expert says.
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  And I think, I think this is the key.
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  I I mean, it's probably obvious to most of us, but I think this
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  is the key. Ann Burgess, a forensic nurse
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  who inspired A Mindhunter character, has a theory about
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  the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, mother of today's
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  Savannah Guthrie, from her home in Tucson, AZ on February 1st.
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  Let me take this moment just a minute guys, for a bit of a
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  tangent. This is going to be tangent
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  theme, songless tangent because it's important and it's not a
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  joke. Listen, if you are ever the
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  victim of DV or SA and you have the courage, which I hope you
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  do, you have the courage to go to the hospital to get an
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  examination, to get documentation.
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  Please, please, please follow the advice of Brian Bennett, who
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  we've had on the show multiple times, four or five Times Now.
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  And please ask for a forensic nurse.
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  Even if you're in a small rural area, ask for a forensic nurse
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  to do your examination. And there are what are the their
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  traveling forensic nurses. There are hospitals that are
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  nearby that they might be able to transfer you to.
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  Please, please, please ask for a forensic nurse.
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  It the the courage that it takes to even just go to the hospital,
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  call the police in a moment of DV or SA is immense, something
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  that most of us will never feel. But I hope that we can all be
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  sympathetic to that. Please do do society a favor and
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  get a forensic nurse. OK, let me continue quote from
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  Anne Burgess. I think something went very
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  wrong inside the house, she said in an episode of Bryan and
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  Investigates, sighting the blood found at the scene.
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  Burgess also noted how little blood appeared in evidence
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  released by investigators. Where did it go?
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  She wondered. Does it go in into the car?
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  Does it follow a path? It's just like it vanishes.
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  She vanishes, right? This is the the picture of the
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  blood. And I think I can actually zoom
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  out, make sure that I go to the right place.
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  Can I zoom out a little bit more?
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  Let me see. I think I can, right?
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  So she's right. It just like there is a trail,
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  there's a bit of a trail, but then it stops, right?
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  Where does it go? I mean, do they have their hands
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  out making sure that they weren't leaving a trail of
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  blood? I doubt it, doubt that.
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  Does it go into a car? Does it follow somewhere?
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  Is there that forensic evidence somewhere?
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  As for the presumption that Nancy was kidnapped, Burgess
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  thinks those responsible might have abducted the 84 year old to
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  target someone else. Quote, who in her orbit, let's
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  call it that. It could be family, could be
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  friends, would be hurt the most by the kidnapping.
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  She asked. Something could have gone or,
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  yeah, could have gone. Take two, Javi, take 2, here we
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  go. Something could have come up
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  there that we don't know about. And that's up to people in her
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  orbit to figure out because it's a very mean, angry, horrible
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  thing to do. And then if it goes wrong, which
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  obviously it did, I think it doesn't make sense that she
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  would be a target to do more than abduct her.
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  It's an interesting take and she's absolutely right to target
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  an 84 year old woman is very mean and very angry.
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  Who is angry at whom in in Nancy's orbit?
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  I, I think a lot of us, including Savannah Guthrie, kind
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  of assume or think that it might be that somebody is angry at
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  Savannah Burgess, Burgess went on.
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  Is there retaliation? Is there revenge?
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  Revenge. I had a little bit of my Rocky
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  Mountain West upbringing come out there.
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  Javi, you're, you're going to have to edit a lot out here so
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  that people on Spotify and on the podcast don't hear my
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  mistakes. OK, Take two again, is there
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  retaliation? Is there revenge?
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  You want to go down that line of possible motives and that this
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  is some way of getting even or whatever.
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  I'm just listing them. It's not that I think it's any
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  of the any one of those things, but those would be possible
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  motives. I mean, we usually do that
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  anytime we're profiling and trying to go after a motive.
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  Burgess, a professor at the Boston College School of
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  Nursing, is a forensic nurse who has been a pioneer in the
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  assessment and treatment of victims of trauma and abuse.
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  And she's the author of books including Expert Witness, The
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  Weight of Our Testimony, When Justice Hangs in the Balance,
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  and A Killer by Design murders mindhunters in my quest to
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  decipher the criminal mind. The character of Wendy Carr in
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  Mindhunter is based on Burgess's work with the FB as FB is Gavin
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  Harvey. I'm not yelling.
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  I'm not mad at you, Harvey. I'm mad at myself, man.
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  My my tongue today I'm tongue tied.
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  Anyway, based on her work with the FB is Behavioral Science
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  Unit, which is pretty cool. So yeah, motive is something
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  that we're all wondering about right now.
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  That was an article from the 11th.
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  Here's one from today from Effie Orphanidis on parade.com.
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  Nancy Guthrie update experts statistical analysis points to
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  Grimm in Oh my goodness, I need to you know what we need some
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  transition music guys. I'm, I'm just having problems.
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  Wanda, can you help me with a little transition music, please?
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  OK, Gavin is needing to take a break.
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  Deep breaths, Gavin. Wanda, your musical prowess is
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  amazing. Just so good at this.
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  Pull back the volume just a little bit.
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  Wanda. So good.
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  OK, Who? Let's see if I can read today.
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  Wanda, that's enough. Thank you.
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  All right. From Effie Orphanidis, Nancy
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  Guthrie. Update experts statistical
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  analysis points to grim outcome On a recent episode of The
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  Interview Room, which is a channel here on YouTube that I
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  suggest to everybody, Doctor Gary Piccato offered his
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  perspective on the ongoing Nancy Guthrie case.
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  Piccato, who's known for analyzing criminal behavior
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  patterns, says the statistics tied to similar missing persons
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  cases suggest a grim outcome, one that could shape how
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  investigators and the public view the case moving forward.
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  Quote, my sense is this woman passed away during whatever it
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  is that was supposed to happen, Ricardo said during the
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  conversation, which included five of their panel members,
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  Chris McDonough, John Lamb, Bob Gilliam, Dan Stover and Danny
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  Ahrens. He also shared what the
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  statistics in the case show. Case show Wanda.
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  Get ready for more for more music.
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  For example, the suspect or suspects is likely male, the
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  motive was likely for financial gain, and the people behind
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  Guthrie's disappearance probably knew her one way or another.
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  Quote. Also based on statistics, I
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  think it's safe to say that it's highly improbable that she is
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  alive, he said. And also based on statistics, I
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  don't even believe there is an intact body.
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  I do not believe that somewhere you're going to find her in one
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  piece. OK, We're going to have to take
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  a breather and process that one. Continuing the quote, in 2026,
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  you eliminate as much of the body as you can because you know
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  the science is going to catch you.
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  So what you generally do is you dismember, or you mutilate or
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  you burn, etcetera. I would be absolutely
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  flabbergasted if it turns out there's an intact set of remains
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  buried someplace or laying someplace, Bricado continued.
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  The rest of the panel agreed with Bricado, and all six
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  members believe that Guthrie is deceased.
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  Moreover, the panel also agreed that Guthrie's body is not
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  intact. Yeah, I mean it it that
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  definitely rings true, but I don't want it to be.
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  I just don't want it to be true, Right.
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  Let's see. I think I missed AI.
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  Just want to make sure that I got all of the Super chats here
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  in my system. Mooney coming in strong.
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  Mooney think not only is she our intrepid moderator, but she is
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  our OG member, the original member.
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  Of of the fanatics. Thank you, Mooney, and thank you
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  for your super chat. And then I think I saw Bud Brown
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  toward a tongue transplant for Gavin.
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  Thank you very much. That's great.
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  Let me see what other stuff you guys are saying over here.
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  Emmy is saying, Gavin, just a bit under the weather.
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  Are you saying you're under the weather or do I sound under the
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  weather because I'm feeling good?
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  Just very tongue tied DDWM wah from Florida.
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  Thank you for checking in. Thank you I'm Goddess for
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  checking in from Erie, PA, Robin says.
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  I think Anne Burgess has probably forgotten more than we
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  have ever learned. She's a legend indeed, indeed,
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  Patricia, giving us a justice for Magnolia.
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  By the way, Patricia, I check at least once a day, every day to
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  see if there is any news that I can find out of Florida, out of
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  Washington, out of Arkansas. I have not found anything yet.
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  In that case, Michigan is in the house.
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  Thanks for being here, Mabel says.
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  Has anyone commented on whether her bed was made or messed?
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  They say how Immaculate her house was, but I've never heard
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  about the bedroom itself. I haven't either.
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  And I remember watching a segment during the coverage of
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  all of this. That was a it it was like a
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  flashing back to Savannah Guthrie's mom segment.
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  And apparently she was famous in her family for the making of the
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  bed with the hospital corners and all that stuff.
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  So I don't know. That's that's a great question
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  and I wish, I wish we would get I I wish we would get more
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  information. Just call me Kim P saying is
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  Javi AI Kim P How dare you. How dare you.
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  Madam, I I'm assuming Madam, I would be clutching my pearls if
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  I wore pearls or even owned some.
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  What is it Conan FC? Says Gavin.
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  How come no one ever mentions the fact that her son Cam was in
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  military intelligence? Everyone thinks it's because of
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  FG but SG, but maybe not Savannah, but maybe not that is
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  that is true. Well, what I know is only that
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  Savannah Guthrie said in her interview on today that he was
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  in military intelligence, that he was a fighter pilot, that he
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  was a very intelligent guy. We, we all kind of assume and
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  including, according to Savannah Guthrie, she assumed and Cam
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  assumed that it was because of her.
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  Now, often times it's not about what's possible.
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  It's what it's about, what's probable.
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  I think the probability probably swings.
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  Probability probably. Yeah.
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  Yeah, Gavin, very good sentence construction.
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  I think the probability swings towards Savannah.
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  I think it's heavily weighted in Savannah's direction, but it's
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  possible. Yeah, very, very good comment.
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  Melissa Navon saying did you see the video someone did showing
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  side by side Annie's husband Tommaso and the perpetrator
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  walking exact same gait? I have not seen that, but I've
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  kind of dropped the Tommaso thing.
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  Well, not kind of. I've dropped the Tomasa thing.
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  The police have stated specifically he's not a suspect.
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  Savannah stated specifically that it was extremely hurtful to
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  the family that that he would be considered a suspect by those of
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  us in the true crime realm. She also said that nobody took
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  care of Nancy better than Annie and Tomasso.
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  So I have I I've dropped that a couple more before we go.
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  Oh, it's Emmy who's under the weather.
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  Well, Emmy, I hope you get feeling better.
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  Nicole, this is a good comment. I know the stats are Occam's
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  razor, but it seems so cliche to be male and financially related
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  seems to be a little more in terms of motive anger, as was
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  stated, Jacksonville in the house, Northern California in
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  the house. Checking in.
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  Thank you, guys. OK, let's there's one more
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  article that I wanted to bring to you before we get into what I
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  have prepared in terms of taking a new look at a relook at the
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  evidence. OK, This written by Whitney Dan
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  Hauer on yahoo.com. At least that's where it was
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  published, where I found it. Expert says kidnappers didn't
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  care if she died tortured family with notes So this is another
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  take as the search for Savannah Guthrie's mom, Nancy Guthrie
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  continues. News Nation contributor Jennifer
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  Coffendaffer said that law enforcement has a motive for the
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  84 year old's kidnapping. Quote.
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  Law enforcement said they know the motive for the abduction of
• 25:41
  Nancy and they have known it from the beginning, Coffendaffer
• 25:45
  wrote via X just this past Sunday, continuing the quote
• 25:49
  kidnapping for ransom. Nancy sadly died.
• 25:52
  The former FBI agent continued the kidnappers didn't care and
• 25:56
  tortured the family with two notes, knowing the FBI would not
• 26:00
  recommend paying a ransom without proof of life.
• 26:05
  As In Touch previously reported, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos
• 26:09
  said in March that he and his department, quote, know why
• 26:12
  close quote, Nancy was taken. We believe we know why he did
• 26:15
  this and we believe that it was targeted, Nanos explained.
• 26:18
  We're not 100% sure of that. So it would be silly to tell
• 26:21
  people, yeah, don't worry about it.
• 26:22
  You're not his target. Let's see if there's anything
• 26:27
  else that. I mean, we've covered pretty
• 26:30
  much everything. But Jen thinks that at least 2
• 26:34
  notes did come from the kidnappers.
• 26:37
  That coincides with what Savannah Guthrie said, right?
• 26:44
  The other ones, as we've talked about have been, I think it just
• 26:48
  been fraudsters, just people that have have wanted to
• 26:55
  victimize a family of victims because they're terrible,
• 26:59
  terrible people, I guess. OK, so got this picture of Nancy
• 27:05
  up, man. I don't like the idea that she
• 27:07
  is no longer with us. I think, of course,
• 27:11
  statistically speaking, that is probably true.
• 27:14
  Here are a couple of things that I'm calling my attention points.
• 27:18
  OK, the things that kind of bother me #1 the scene looks
• 27:29
  planned to me. Planned enough that well, this I
• 27:34
  don't know if I'm saying the scene, it's the scene.
• 27:36
  The crime appears planned to me and things that point to that
• 27:41
  are the mask, the gloves, the gun, you know, on video that we
• 27:49
  that we've seen. I'm talking about, you know,
• 27:51
  this video, the backpack, but then sloppy enough that he does
• 28:03
  this, you know, covering up the camera with vegetation from
• 28:07
  Nancy's front yard. So there, that's a point of
• 28:11
  tension for me, right? You're like, OK, we planned
• 28:14
  this, but we didn't plan this well enough that we knew what to
• 28:18
  do with the cameras, right? Maybe a little spray paint, you
• 28:23
  know, would have been would have been a good plan.
• 28:27
  Got a sneeze coming on. Whoa.
• 28:32
  That felt great. That felt great.
• 28:34
  OK, so that's my first tension point.
• 28:37
  The next tension point that I, I kind of came up with was, OK,
• 28:43
  there is there are strong indicators of an actual
• 28:47
  abduction, right? We see the video, we see the
• 28:53
  blood possible, possible discard evidence.
• 28:59
  I know that the you know, the gloves from other places, I
• 29:03
  don't know, maybe discard evidence, I don't know.
• 29:07
  But then the ransom notes just looking I guess like just
• 29:13
  opportunistic noise. So that's intention for me.
• 29:20
  It appears that investigators have a good timeline, but I
• 29:27
  guess the tense point on that or the tense part on that is why
• 29:31
  are they asking about January 11th?
• 29:33
  Why won't they tell us anything more about January 11th?
• 29:37
  And then the last thing that I, it just keeps coming to me,
• 29:41
  coming, coming, coming to me. And they touched on it in the
• 29:43
  articles that we, that we read was, dude, your victim was an 84
• 29:49
  year old woman with heart conditions and, and, you know,
• 29:59
  back pain and stuff like that. That that's a, that's a
• 30:06
  horrible, it's horrible. It's a terrible planning too,
• 30:11
  right? Terrible planning.
• 30:14
  Let's see, we got a couple. Hey, thank you guys for taking
• 30:16
  care of me, Peggy, helping me reach my goal.
• 30:19
  Thank you very much for doing that.
• 30:21
  Dom's mom, I appreciate you too. Thank you for helping me reach
• 30:24
  that goal and Elizabeth McMaster, Esquire happy Monday
• 30:29
  to you and thank you for helping us reach that goal.
• 30:32
  Get 10 out of 10 we got like the we got the balloons and the
• 30:36
  fireworks and everything. Thanks guys.
• 30:38
  Thank you for taking care of that.
• 30:41
  Oh pay girl says until the FBI says Tomaso is cleared and the
• 30:46
  suspect is let's see until FBI says Tomas was cleared and
• 30:51
  suspect is caught is when I'll believe it.
• 30:53
  Fair enough, fair enough. Redondo Beach saying did you see
• 30:58
  the interview room theory that Sheriff Nanos was basically talk
• 31:01
  taking talking points from the family from the very first press
• 31:04
  conference? I didn't I didn't, but I love
• 31:09
  love, love, love the interview room.
• 31:11
  It's a it's a channel that I check every single day.
• 31:14
  OK, let's, let's take a look at the different pieces of
• 31:18
  evidence, shall we? I think the first one that I
• 31:22
  want to look at is the blood on the porch.
• 31:25
  And, and I this is now we're we've reached the time where I
• 31:31
  want your input on this. OK, We're going to, I'm going to
• 31:35
  be going back to your comments a lot today.
• 31:40
  OK, This blood on the porch was confirmed to be Nancy Guthrie's,
• 31:46
  and we can see that it does kind of trail, right.
• 31:51
  I think this is probably the most important hard fact that we
• 31:54
  have in the case. Sheriff Nanos added that it
• 32:00
  appears that she was taking the that this blood is an indication
• 32:04
  that she was taken against her will.
• 32:09
  The API looked at all these different articles, the
• 32:12
  APABCCBSPBS, Reuters, they all point to the blood evidence
• 32:18
  being the basis for treating this as an abduction.
• 32:20
  And if we remember when, when Savannah did her interview, she
• 32:27
  talked about a moment where they were talking with authority,
• 32:30
  saying no, she will she would not just leave, right?
• 32:35
  She would not just leave. She can't walk to the mailbox
• 32:38
  without being in pain. She would not leave her
• 32:40
  medication. She has a pacemaker.
• 32:44
  So whatever theory that we, the the police are working on and
• 32:49
  that we might talk about here, it has to include the blood
• 32:53
  evidence. I think this shows that she came
• 32:56
  out the front door there there was the evidence.
• 33:00
  And I think, did I make a note of this later?
• 33:07
  No, I didn't. The fact that according to
• 33:11
  Savannah Guthrie, the back door was propped open, so it looked
• 33:14
  like the entry was made in the back and the exit was made out
• 33:19
  the front. Why would you make the exit out
• 33:21
  the front? To make it easier, maybe
• 33:24
  shorter, Maybe your car is parked there.
• 33:25
  She has one of those kind of circle driveways to get to the
• 33:31
  escape vehicle more quickly to do so easily.
• 33:35
  If it's just one or two people and Nancy Guthrie is an 84 year
• 33:39
  old woman who is struggling, maybe the struggle doesn't add a
• 33:42
  lot to it. But guys, dead weight is tough
• 33:44
  to carry. It's even a even 100 lbs of dead
• 33:49
  weight in the shape of a human is tough to carry like we can.
• 33:54
  We can all probably pick up to 50 LB dumbbells and carry it
• 33:58
  around, but in the shape of a person it's a very different
• 34:04
  thing. Right The the weight is
• 34:06
  distributed weirdly, especially if she's trying not to go.
• 34:11
  So why would they go out the front door?
• 34:12
  I think probably a car was was closer to the front door and
• 34:16
  that's why they didn't go out the back.
• 34:19
  I also, I also wonder if she was already unconscious here.
• 34:27
  And like this is the this is the part where just absolute
• 34:32
  meanness and evil kind of comes to play.
• 34:35
  And it's because a person who doesn't want to be taken against
• 34:39
  their will will naturally shout will cry for help.
• 34:43
  We all do this and we've learned it from our I mean, it's it's
• 34:46
  instinctual, right? So was she unconscious at this
• 34:51
  point? If if so, how was she rendered
• 34:54
  unconscious? Was she possibly already
• 34:57
  deceased here? I don't think there's a way to
• 35:03
  tell forensically if this is blood that was spilled during
• 35:10
  while her heart was beating versus after her heart stopped.
• 35:16
  I don't. I don't think there is a there's
• 35:18
  an enzyme difference or some kind of scientific difference.
• 35:22
  They wouldn't be able to tell just from that, at least to my
• 35:25
  knowledge, which is limited. Right.
• 35:31
  But I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.
• 35:33
  I think she was probably unconscious.
• 35:34
  She may have been dead and they just took her out the front
• 35:38
  because that was the shortest route to the getaway.
• 35:42
  I think also, if she was dead at that point, then what we read
• 35:46
  about earlier from the interview room, the report about the
• 35:50
  interview room. Yeah.
• 35:51
  Got to get rid of evidence. Just got to get rid of evidence
• 35:55
  so and her body would be the biggest piece of forensic
• 35:59
  evidence, as much as I hate to say that.
• 36:04
  OK, next piece of evidence. I think that well, let me
• 36:08
  actually before we move on, let me see what you guys are saying
• 36:13
  over in comments. Let's see there any GFS TCF
• 36:26
  Iceland. My, my highlighting isn't
• 36:29
  working, so I have to, I have to do this manually.
• 36:32
  TCF Iceland, says Gavin. I don't understand why the
• 36:34
  abductor was looking like he's making first entry in the front.
• 36:40
  Let's go to this video on the Nest camera.
• 36:43
  If they came in through the back, it's not really making
• 36:46
  sense in my head. We're going to talk about this
• 36:50
  next. So great segue.
• 36:52
  Thank you. TCF Iceland.
• 36:56
  Yeah. It makes me wonder if there was
• 36:59
  some prowling around the house, how can we get in?
• 37:04
  And or, hey, I want to work on this lock.
• 37:09
  I want to work on this storm door, on the safety door, on the
• 37:12
  security door. But I don't want there to be
• 37:14
  evidence of me doing it, especially if maybe they think
• 37:17
  somebody might be watching live. Right.
• 37:22
  OK, we got to cover this up. But, you know, you got a
• 37:24
  backpack. Do you not have spray paint?
• 37:26
  That that's what I'm talking about with tension here.
• 37:30
  They're just they seem to have planned this the three weeks in
• 37:35
  advance probably, but not well enough to know what to do with
• 37:42
  that camera. Were they making an entry on
• 37:46
  that or did they did they fail with the entry on that and start
• 37:50
  looking around for other possible entries?
• 37:53
  Great, great comment. Linda saying wondering at her
• 38:00
  age and condition why she was living alone.
• 38:06
  I think I think that's fair to wonder.
• 38:12
  I also, though, think that, you know, there is a balancing act
• 38:19
  with our parents and I'm not I'm not there yet.
• 38:21
  Both of my parents are are doing OK.
• 38:24
  My dad's been fighting cancer for six years and the chemo and
• 38:27
  immunotherapy has got him worn down pretty darn well.
• 38:31
  But my mom is still strong and, and everything.
• 38:34
  So we would we would never consider having her them come
• 38:41
  and live with one of us when they already are so independent.
• 38:46
  And like in my case, I have a sibling that lives very, very
• 38:51
  close to my parents and checks in on them a couple times a day.
• 38:55
  And it's my understanding that Annie and Tomasa were kind of
• 38:57
  the same way. Live real close by, check in on
• 39:00
  her. And you know, that's very
• 39:03
  typical for for aging parents. We've got one of their children
• 39:07
  or more, one or more of their children close by to keep a good
• 39:11
  tab on them. And it's not uncommon for, I
• 39:15
  mean, there was a guy that we used to, we used to laugh about
• 39:18
  this. I won't say his name.
• 39:20
  He has long since passed away. He was an old, old, old man.
• 39:24
  But we hated getting behind him on the way to church because on
• 39:28
  Sundays, he took Sunday driving to a completely new level.
• 39:32
  A guy didn't know how to go beyond about 8 miles an hour.
• 39:35
  He didn't want to get behind him.
• 39:36
  But he was an old, old man taking care of himself for a
• 39:39
  long time. So at 84, yeah, they were
• 39:43
  probably having conversations about bringing her, you know, to
• 39:47
  live with one of the kids or, you know, doing the circuit with
• 39:50
  the kids and so forth. But not I I think it's probably
• 39:55
  reasonable what they were doing. She's probably just a very
• 39:59
  independent woman. Great comment.
• 40:03
  Great comment. Let's see, Montana sunshine.
• 40:09
  Maybe the person flipped her over.
• 40:11
  So no blood trail. Yeah, maybe she's leaking out
• 40:13
  her nose and mouth or something. Flip her over.
• 40:15
  So yeah, exactly. Great.
• 40:21
  If they went back out the front. Why is there no more footage,
• 40:24
  Gavin? Great question, Autumn.
• 40:27
  If I were to play just a little like we don't, we don't know
• 40:32
  that there's not more footage. I think that the FBI probably
• 40:37
  only released the stuff. I, I, I kind of, I lean to the
• 40:43
  idea that the FBI did not release everything that they
• 40:45
  had. They released enough to show,
• 40:49
  you know, here's what he was wearing.
• 40:51
  Here's what he looks like. He had gloves on.
• 40:54
  He looks like he has a mustache. You know, the Ozark Trail
• 40:59
  backpack and and that sort of stuff.
• 41:03
  And then obviously they, they showed this from a different
• 41:06
  day, indicating that man, there's probably a lot more
• 41:10
  footage than we have then has been released.
• 41:14
  You know, great comment, Cowgal. To me, it looks like the plant
• 41:20
  matters on top of the blood. How can that be?
• 41:26
  Yeah, I can see a spot where plant matter is on top of blood.
• 41:30
  Yeah, if let me see if I can zoom up on that real quick.
• 41:41
  Me that piece right there, right.
• 41:51
  That piece, we're kind of right in the middle and see that
• 41:54
  little green spot spot on top of the blood speck.
• 41:58
  There's there are a couple there.
• 41:59
  There's one that would like a little line in the grout going
• 42:03
  on top of a blood speck. To me, the biggest likelihood of
• 42:09
  that is, well, there there are a couple things that could happen.
• 42:12
  Maybe they went in and out and disturbed the the vegetation
• 42:16
  matter. There could be that it's just a
• 42:19
  windy place and they dropped some stuff and it got blown
• 42:22
  around. Also, the crime scene was
• 42:25
  opened. It was closed, opened, closed,
• 42:28
  reopened. You know, the, I mean, there was
• 42:32
  a Amazon delivery guy that went on that front porch for crying
• 42:36
  out loud. So maybe, maybe something like
• 42:39
  that disturbed it. But yeah, great comment fact.
• 42:42
  Let me go to my notes on this. The OK, what I put was the
• 42:47
  doorbell camera was tampered with.
• 42:50
  So the FBI said photos and videos show an armed person
• 42:53
  appearing to tamper with the camera at Nancy's front door.
• 42:58
  They also believe the suspect in the home security footage wore
• 43:01
  face masks, specific clothing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 43:03
  So the tampering of everything, plus the plus then removing it
• 43:11
  and, and taking it away. Yeah.
• 43:16
  That, that what a what a terrific question.
• 43:18
  What how did that plant matter get there Interesting Elizabeth
• 43:26
  says Gavin absolutely correct. This is a balancing act and I
• 43:31
  meet with clients who want to want a way to make mom or dad to
• 43:36
  move into assisted living etcetera when they want to stay
• 43:38
  independent Yeah I it yeah it's about balancing act and I don't
• 43:48
  ever want to be in an assisted living area but I think I well
• 43:52
  hopefully I will make it to an age where that's necessary you
• 43:55
  know. Cabling says from the looks of
• 44:00
  the human at the front door, not the brightest bold, but knew
• 44:03
  exactly what he was doing setting up the scene.
• 44:09
  Gavin, do you think the Jai guess I don't know the purpose
• 44:16
  smart enough to do. Do you think the JA is smart
• 44:19
  enough to do this all alone? The assailant?
• 44:24
  I don't know what JA is, but anyway, I think this took more
• 44:29
  than one person. I really do I I remember like at
• 44:34
  my strappingest, my strongest in my life.
• 44:37
  I was a teenager, right? Doing lots of sports, being very
• 44:41
  active. And I remember like carrying a
• 44:46
  friend of mine from her house over to my friend's house
• 44:50
  because she didn't have shoes. Of course, we're all teenagers,
• 44:52
  so we're stupid. And she she was a, she was a
• 44:59
  like beautiful young woman in the prime of life and, you know,
• 45:05
  not not a big girl. She in fact, she was the
• 45:08
  opposite of that. And I remember the struggle just
• 45:11
  carrying that because for some reason she wouldn't hold her own
• 45:14
  weight holding on to my neck or something, right.
• 45:17
  And so I always think about that like, yeah, I can pick up my
• 45:20
  wife and I can carry her anyway. But she is doing her part right.
• 45:24
  She has her arm around my shoulder and my neck and holding
• 45:26
  herself up. Same thing with our kids.
• 45:30
  But the only, the only time I've ever had a, an experience where
• 45:37
  I'm like carrying dead weight. Well, that's not true.
• 45:40
  No, well, it's mostly true was that time where I carried a
• 45:44
  friend of mine from one house across the street to another.
• 45:47
  And it was tough, man. And I was the strongest I think
• 45:50
  I ever was. And I did that.
• 45:52
  I do remember I was ACPR Saturday instructor for the Red
• 45:57
  Cross, but that was, that was like being I, I could
• 46:02
  demonstrate I would pick the biggest person about the same
• 46:04
  age actually that as the other story.
• 46:07
  I would pick the biggest person in class and I would
• 46:11
  demonstrate, you know, the Heimlich maneuver and how to get
• 46:16
  them down on the ground, you know, safely.
• 46:20
  And it was, it was never a problem, but that is helping
• 46:23
  somebody down. That's not carrying somebody,
• 46:29
  Angel Angela says Gavin Savannah said it was because Annie and
• 46:33
  Tomaso took such good care of her, it allowed her to stay in
• 46:37
  the home and that she loved the home that she loved, that held
• 46:43
  memories of her dad. I remember her saying that yes,
• 46:47
  yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, she did say that and and that that is a
• 46:54
  good reason to have her living on her own.
• 46:57
  Autumn Doyle, our lead moderator, says give us the
• 47:01
  footage. We here at Fishy Land are much
• 47:05
  better investigators than the average bear.
• 47:07
  I think we are, too. Yeah.
• 47:09
  Robin, another one of our amazing mod says maybe the guy
• 47:13
  in front is getting the camera covered while someone else is in
• 47:15
  the back getting antsy so things are not seen as they exit from
• 47:20
  the front door. Yeah, maybe.
• 47:21
  And then maybe they're just like, just break the thing off
• 47:23
  and bring it with us. Yeah.
• 47:26
  Bring the thing off, smash it out, bring it with us.
• 47:28
  Maybe that's what happened. And that that evidence might be
• 47:33
  somewhere, right. Yeah.
• 47:36
  Donna says she wanted to stay in her home.
• 47:37
  Yeah. And.
• 47:38
  And as doting and loving children, we want our parents to
• 47:42
  have that, have that independence, Right.
• 47:47
  Kathy says. Gavin, what is in the pickle mud
• 47:50
  mug? You mean the dill whole mug?
• 47:52
  See, this is not just a dill pickle.
• 47:55
  This is a dill pickle in a dill pickle shaped hole and it it
• 48:00
  shows what a dill hole is and how to use it in a sentence.
• 48:05
  You, Mr. Stearns, are a dill hole.
• 48:07
  It is simply water. I am a water drinker.
• 48:12
  I shoot a drinking 70 to 80 ounces of water a day.
• 48:18
  I think I'm at about, I think I'm above 70 right now.
• 48:23
  Cabling says the blood could have been earlier when she met
• 48:26
  the Uber and banged her arm, hand, etcetera.
• 48:28
  Seems law enforcement is posing that narrative.
• 48:30
  Could be, could be, could be blood from another day.
• 48:36
  Possible. Donna also says he put the plant
• 48:42
  behind the camera to pull it off the door jam.
• 48:44
  Maybe he needed leverage to do that, Robin says.
• 48:48
  My daughter does body pick up for a Funeral Home.
• 48:50
  Dead weight is a very hard move, but with a cot, one person can
• 48:54
  move a person if they are smaller and lower weight.
• 48:58
  Yeah, I had an experience once where I assisted our county
• 49:03
  coroner. I was interviewing her for a
• 49:06
  story and she got called to a scene and invited me to go to
• 49:09
  the scene. I was at death investigation
• 49:12
  scene and the decedent was a large, large man.
• 49:16
  It took four of us once he was in the body bag to to get him
• 49:22
  out of there was tough. And the Star Flower says Gavin's
• 49:25
  study show people do much better in their own home.
• 49:28
  Yeah. So yeah, I, I don't mind that
• 49:30
  she was living alone at all at age 84, especially with Annie,
• 49:33
  Annie and Tomaso living so close.
• 49:38
  Let's see. Another piece of evidence that
• 49:40
  I, I guess is the suspect description got more specific
• 49:43
  after the FBI did a forensic review, if you guys remember
• 49:47
  that, right. So the, the FBI publicly
• 49:51
  described the suspect as a male, about 5 foot 9 to 5 foot 10 with
• 49:57
  an average build. They even said he was carrying a
• 50:00
  25 liter Ozark Trail hiker backpack, which is sold
• 50:04
  exclusively in Walmart. However, it could be on eBay,
• 50:08
  could be in a lot of different places.
• 50:10
  So there's that. But you know, the thing that
• 50:13
  occurs to me is we have not heard anything more about that
• 50:17
  backpack since the very beginning.
• 50:20
  Correct me if I'm wrong. Have we heard anything else
• 50:23
  about the backpack? I don't think so.
• 50:28
  So maybe that one is a dead lead or maybe they're protecting that
• 50:32
  lead and are are, you know, investigating it.
• 50:38
  OK. The other thing that came out
• 50:41
  early, I want your, I want your, your thoughts on this.
• 50:50
  But there was that glove found 2 miles away.
• 50:56
  Everybody thought that it maybe it was, it was linked to the
• 51:00
  suspect because it was a black glove.
• 51:02
  They did contain DNA. The DNA did not come back to any
• 51:07
  CODIS match or anything like that.
• 51:09
  But I'm trying to remember if it came back to anybody like a
• 51:13
  worker or something like that. I included that in my list
• 51:18
  because I couldn't remember the details of that.
• 51:20
  So I would, I would love your opinion on that.
• 51:23
  The next little piece of interest for us is the January
• 51:27
  11th date, right? There's been lots of reporting,
• 51:31
  including from our our esteemed colleague Mr. Emton, about
• 51:37
  investigators looking at January 11th as an important date.
• 51:44
  A neighbor has said that his dogs behaved unusually on both
• 51:48
  January 11th and the night of Nancy's disappearance.
• 51:50
  I remember that, but we haven't heard anything else.
• 51:57
  Let's see the the thing that the next thing I put on my list is
• 52:01
  one of the images. I think it's.
• 52:02
  Is it this image? Yeah, This image appears to have
• 52:07
  been captured on a different date.
• 52:09
  They're still gloves. So is this the January 11th
• 52:12
  date? Right.
• 52:14
  Still gloves, still a mask, still that zip up long sleeve
• 52:18
  sweater. Yeah.
• 52:23
  So was Nancy cased? Was she stalked?
• 52:28
  Did they did they make an attempt on January 11th and then
• 52:31
  give up? The propped open door is is a
• 52:38
  piece of evidence that we got. It was confirmed by Savannah
• 52:42
  Guthrie in her interview on today.
• 52:47
  So not only blood on the porch, but a propped open door,
• 52:51
  disconnected doorbell camera. So it suggests haste and
• 52:58
  interrupted plan, maybe staging, maybe.
• 53:06
  Yeah. I, I think, I mean, we talked
• 53:09
  about what Jen Coffin Daffer thinks about the scams, the
• 53:13
  proof of life not ever happening, the retaliation or
• 53:16
  personal motive that Doctor Burgess brought up.
• 53:22
  I think I kind of yadda, yadda. Brian Martin floated the idea
• 53:26
  that offenders may not have understood how medically or I'm
• 53:29
  not investigators, offenders may not have understood how fragile
• 53:33
  she was. They thought that this was going
• 53:35
  to be an easy ransom scenario. And then we're like, oh, we
• 53:39
  killed her. Who it's, it's a theory.
• 53:43
  It's not proof of anything. But those are the, those are the
• 53:47
  things. Let me see what you guys are
• 53:48
  saying over here, see if there's anything, any other comment you
• 53:53
  guys want. Oh, yeah, There are a few.
• 53:56
  Yeah. Barb Olson.
• 53:57
  This is a question that I've asked myself.
• 53:59
  I I I went directly to, like, spray paint, but duct tape.
• 54:04
  What's with the plants? Yeah.
• 54:05
  I don't. I don't get it either.
• 54:07
  I mean, the idea that maybe they were using it as leverage, but
• 54:10
  if they had been there before, they had seen it, you know, if
• 54:12
  they had been there before. On this night, ostensibly
• 54:15
  January 11th, they saw the ring Cam.
• 54:18
  You can't bring a crowbar with you or a pry bar or pliers.
• 54:23
  I mean, those things are designed to be taken off.
• 54:26
  It's not. It's not terribly difficult to
• 54:27
  take those things off. So, yeah, they planned it, but
• 54:32
  they didn't plan it well. And that actually goes to
• 54:35
  something that we talked about. Oh, what was that?
• 54:43
  That was a couple of days ago. I talked about the different
• 54:49
  criminology theories, right? And how how they're like the
• 54:55
  rational choice theory talked about how there have to be 3
• 54:59
  things that happen in order for a crime to occur.
• 55:03
  It was like basically saying people aren't impulsive.
• 55:06
  They have to have the opportunity, they have to have a
• 55:11
  good victim, you know, and I identified victim and they have
• 55:15
  to have nobody looking, right? So, you know, is anybody
• 55:20
  watching? Can I act quickly?
• 55:22
  Am I going to get caught? They, they, they talk about
• 55:25
  those kinds of things. Environmental criminology
• 55:27
  probably plays a point in this too.
• 55:31
  But yeah, I, I, I mean, they planned it, but they didn't plan
• 55:36
  well. I think that's what it says
• 55:37
  there. Just Ducky says maybe taking the
• 55:41
  camera happened last, not first grab camera when they left.
• 55:44
  Maybe. Maybe, Garth Beanutt says.
• 55:47
  I've heard you should drink half your weight in water every day.
• 55:53
  Well, let's see. A gallon of water is 8 lbs.
• 55:56
  You want me to drink 24 gallons of water?
• 56:00
  Garth Beanutt? No, I get what you're saying.
• 56:02
  I'm just messing with you. No way.
• 56:06
  Real happy says my Gran will be 101 years old next month and
• 56:10
  lives alone. It's not the one age fits all
• 56:13
  type of decision. Very.
• 56:14
  Yeah. Good cabling.
• 56:17
  Being 84 and living alone in her home is is awesome.
• 56:20
  We all love our homes and bless them daily, especially after so
• 56:23
  many years. Yeah, indeed.
• 56:26
  I mean, Kimberly and I have done a fair amount of moving around.
• 56:30
  I there's there's really only one house in my life that I'm
• 56:36
  definitely attached to. But it's because I moved around
• 56:40
  so much. I but but my parents having
• 56:47
  lived in their house, you know, well, 35 years now, I wouldn't
• 56:53
  want to take him out. I wouldn't want to take him out
• 56:55
  of there. Kentucky Grammy says I have
• 56:58
  medical issues. But as long as I can get by I'll
• 57:00
  stay at home. Finished my son's basement about
• 57:04
  $90,000 two-bedroom bath to move in.
• 57:06
  But I'll stay home until I'm ready to move and not before.
• 57:08
  Good on you and keep that attitude.
• 57:11
  That's awesome, Linda says. Brian said today a neighbor said
• 57:16
  they were asked about another day.
• 57:17
  I think about 9 days or a week before she was taken.
• 57:21
  I think you're right. I think he's mentioned that
• 57:23
  before, too. Barb Olson says you have to
• 57:27
  wonder why no one has tried to collect the reward.
• 57:30
  Yeah, Kathy, according to Detective Wallace on duty, Ron,
• 57:36
  you can tell by the spatter if she was alive.
• 57:38
  Oh, if it was aspirated, maybe Garth me not OK, Oz, I get it, I
• 57:47
  get it. I see what you're saying there.
• 57:50
  So I have so I'm under drinking because I'm currently 205 lbs
• 57:56
  still on my way down By the way guys started at 288.
• 58:02
  Isn't that amazing? We're at two O 5 today, Kahunk
• 58:07
  says. I'm awesome to listen to you.
• 58:08
  Thank you very much, Archangel. Good to see you.
• 58:12
  Did she did she have someone to do the cleaning or anything like
• 58:15
  that? Someone that could know the
• 58:17
  interior of the house? I think the perpetrators visited
• 58:19
  the house before. I don't know specifically about
• 58:22
  cleaners possibly, but I know or I've heard about pool cleaners.
• 58:29
  So there's, there's likely a lot of of service people that might
• 58:34
  be there, right. I know the landscaping is more
• 58:37
  natural desert landscaping, but there would still be leaves and
• 58:42
  debris and stuff like that that you would want to care for.
• 58:45
  And, you know, in the pool, of course, the inside, you know,
• 58:51
  keeping keeping everything, you know, painted that there's
• 58:55
  there's lots of stuff, a lot of lot of reasons people would come
• 58:58
  over. Debbie, so proud of your hard
• 59:02
  work. Again, Thank you very much.
• 59:04
  I appreciate it. Kay, Blaine, good on you and
• 59:06
  your weight loss journey. Thank you very much.
• 59:08
  I am. I'm enjoying my my body.
• 59:11
  I'm feeling strong again. OK, so that's, I mean, that's
• 59:17
  the conversation that I wanted to have with you guys today.
• 59:19
  And it's, you know, a renewed conversation about the evidence
• 59:22
  and what does it mean? I'm sure that investigators are
• 59:26
  far ahead of us. I am I Yeah.
• 59:32
  In my opinion, I think that she has left this mortal coil.
• 59:37
  She has broken the bounds of of her toil here on Earth.
• 59:44
  But but that doesn't change that we want to know what happened to
• 59:50
  her and we want to know who happened to her and why.
• 59:55
  So we will keep our eye on this. We will try our best to keep.
• 1:00:01
  Keep the Nancy Guthrie case alive as long as we need to in
• 1:00:07
  order to get actual answers. OK, but that's not the end of
• 1:00:12
  the show today, guys. We've got a whole whole bunch to
• 1:00:16
  go and we're already an hour into this.
• 1:00:18
  Let me let me check my little we, we've done Nancy.
• 1:00:22
  We've done the, the articles that I wanted to read.
• 1:00:26
  Oh, of course. Time for three questions.
• 1:00:29
  Let's do this. It's three questions with Gavin
• 1:00:36
  Fish Pow. You guys told me like pow, I
• 1:00:38
  guess I'm going to do the pow guys 3 questions.
• 1:00:41
  This is a segment on the show where I answer three of your
• 1:00:44
  questions that you sent in to me to the e-mail on the screen.
• 1:00:47
  If you're listening, you're like Gavin, I don't see a screen.
• 1:00:50
  So I will tell you it's three questions at gavinfish.com.
• 1:00:53
  It's spelled out THREE questions at gavinfish.com.
• 1:00:57
  You can send one question. You can send 1000 questions.
• 1:01:01
  I solemnly promise to answer the questions and to not dodge them
• 1:01:06
  and to to answer them truthfully.
• 1:01:10
  And I will do so three at a time.
• 1:01:13
  And the caveat here, of course, I get to choose the order.
• 1:01:17
  So that is what I have done for today.
• 1:01:21
  Let's go to question number one from Diane.
• 1:01:24
  Hey Gavin, what do you like to do for fun?
• 1:01:26
  Oh, by the way, I love it when you guys will tell me the your
• 1:01:29
  answers to the questions, but GF in the comments so I know what
• 1:01:32
  you're talking about. Maybe even put the question
• 1:01:34
  number so I know which one you're talking about.
• 1:01:37
  What do I like to do for fun? Well, you know Kimberly, my
• 1:01:44
  sweetie pie, my snuggly bear, my one and only accused me out of
• 1:01:48
  nowhere, I might add. I was.
• 1:01:52
  I was offended. Not for long, though.
• 1:01:56
  She's my snuggly bear, my sweetie pie, my one and only
• 1:01:59
  that. I had kind of duped her into
• 1:02:02
  thinking that I had an active lifestyle when we were dating.
• 1:02:06
  And then as soon as we got married, I just became a couch
• 1:02:09
  potato. And you know what?
• 1:02:10
  I shouldn't be offended. She's not wrong.
• 1:02:13
  Like when when I met her, I was, I think at the time I was in a
• 1:02:18
  volleyball league and a Soccer League and I think I had just
• 1:02:22
  finished a softball league. But when I met her, I was just
• 1:02:27
  like, there is nothing I would rather do than spend my time
• 1:02:31
  with her. So I, I haven't done any of
• 1:02:34
  those things ever since. Like I used to play basketball
• 1:02:37
  every once in a while. I used to, I, I love to play in
• 1:02:40
  volleyball and I was good at it. Soccer, I was mediocre at best
• 1:02:45
  and softball kind of the same, but volleyball was my sport.
• 1:02:49
  What do I like to do for fun these days?
• 1:02:53
  Well, I, I enjoy work. I I enjoy working.
• 1:02:58
  So when I get up in the morning I start working.
• 1:03:01
  I take breaks throughout the day.
• 1:03:02
  I might take a short nap, but I will be working probably till
• 1:03:08
  midnight tonight. Just doing different things.
• 1:03:13
  I, I just really enjoy that. Now as far as like going out and
• 1:03:16
  doing things we have, we have this thing that we do together
• 1:03:19
  that we just call forced family time.
• 1:03:21
  Nobody gets an option. We're doing family time.
• 1:03:24
  And when we do that, sometimes we go outside.
• 1:03:26
  We might, we might go, we might go to the circus, we might go to
• 1:03:31
  a movie, we might go out to dinner.
• 1:03:33
  We might go play disc golf. We've only done that once, by
• 1:03:37
  the way. We, we might go out to the park,
• 1:03:42
  you know, just, we might play cards.
• 1:03:45
  I, I enjoy doing that, especially we have one of our
• 1:03:49
  sons is particularly sweet and particularly loves forced family
• 1:03:55
  time. And if we don't do it enough, he
• 1:03:57
  will start to ask for forced family time.
• 1:04:01
  I, I do enjoy movies. I don't go to the cinema much
• 1:04:04
  anymore because it's a better experience at home.
• 1:04:08
  I, I don't know if I told you guys this, but I make, I make
• 1:04:13
  perfect movie theater popcorn at home, perfect movie theater
• 1:04:19
  style popcorn at home. And once I learned to do that,
• 1:04:22
  there was no reason to go to the theaters anymore.
• 1:04:25
  The picture is better at home. The sound is just as good at
• 1:04:28
  home, sometimes better. The the accommodations are
• 1:04:33
  better. You can pause, you can go to the
• 1:04:35
  bathroom. Because I am of a certain age,
• 1:04:37
  we like to be able to do that. You know, you can, you can pause
• 1:04:41
  and talk to one another. Hey, what did they just say?
• 1:04:44
  That I just, I like the experience at home, but I loved
• 1:04:47
  going to the movies because I loved their popcorn.
• 1:04:49
  It's a special kind of thing. And once I learned to make movie
• 1:04:53
  theater popcorn, what ingredients to buy.
• 1:04:55
  I think the video is on my channel still.
• 1:04:59
  You guys can see how to make movie theater popcorn.
• 1:05:02
  So we stopped going to the movies unless, unless there's
• 1:05:05
  something special that the kids want to see.
• 1:05:09
  So yeah, now as far as my hobbies go, my main hobby that I
• 1:05:13
  love the most is aviation. I love, love, love, love, love
• 1:05:18
  aviation. I grew up son of an Air Force
• 1:05:22
  guy, Air Force enlisted person with stories of the flight line.
• 1:05:27
  And he, my dad worked in aerospace during the Cold War.
• 1:05:33
  And so all the stuff about rockets and the space shuttle
• 1:05:37
  and the X program and, you know, just everything fascinated me.
• 1:05:43
  And when I grew up and met somebody who was a private pilot
• 1:05:47
  and realized, hey, I, I could be a pilot too, I decided to do
• 1:05:51
  that. And so while I wish I flew way
• 1:05:54
  more than I do, I love, love, love, love, love aviation.
• 1:05:59
  I love being around planes. I love, I love learning about
• 1:06:03
  new engines and new technologies.
• 1:06:06
  I love, I love the technologies right now where they're, where
• 1:06:11
  some manufacturers are focused on a very different aspect of
• 1:06:17
  Arrow and hydrodynamics in order to bring down the cost of
• 1:06:20
  aviation. It's I just, I, I consume so
• 1:06:24
  much aviation in a day. And then this year I've been
• 1:06:29
  reading a lot, too. So I decided 2026 was the year
• 1:06:35
  of reading fiction. And right now I'm reading
• 1:06:40
  Fahrenheit 451. I have finished A Tale of Two
• 1:06:45
  Cities of Mice and Men, To Kill a Mockingbird, and I'm now about
• 1:06:54
  halfway done through Fahrenheit 451 and I'm about about halfway
• 1:06:57
  done through Martine Fiero. I'm doing both of those at the
• 1:06:59
  same time. So, yeah, that's as long as I'm
• 1:07:02
  with my family. I, I, that's, that's all I care
• 1:07:05
  about. And I'd love to hear your
• 1:07:06
  answers to these questions. I'm not somebody who goes and
• 1:07:09
  climbs mountains, for example. I don't do that.
• 1:07:13
  OK. From Kelly, if you could
• 1:07:15
  vacation anywhere in the US, where would you like to go?
• 1:07:18
  Kelly? I, I love the United States.
• 1:07:21
  I have been, I've been so many different places and there's so
• 1:07:27
  many fun things to see in all of the different places.
• 1:07:31
  I honestly don't care where I go in the US as long as I do it
• 1:07:34
  with Kimberly and preferably the kids with us there.
• 1:07:40
  There are a couple places that I have not seen yet.
• 1:07:43
  I have never been to Alaska. I've never been to Hawaii.
• 1:07:49
  I, I don't have a particular call to Hawaii.
• 1:07:53
  That's not, it's not my thing. The tropics and heat just really
• 1:07:56
  isn't my thing. I, I, I would prefer Alaska.
• 1:08:00
  We're somewhere else. I haven't been.
• 1:08:06
  Oh, like I would love to, I would love to do fall in New
• 1:08:09
  England. I guess that'd be fun.
• 1:08:13
  I'm not like a, not like a seafood eater where people are
• 1:08:16
  like go to Maine and have lot, go to Maine and have lobster and
• 1:08:19
  I don't really care about that. So yeah, Alaska probably, but as
• 1:08:24
  long as I'm with Kimberly, I'm, I can go anywhere.
• 1:08:26
  And this year is kind of a year of travel, crying out loud.
• 1:08:30
  So, and most of the travel, I think all the travel we have
• 1:08:33
  planned this year is all in the US.
• 1:08:36
  It's pretty fun. OK, you tell me the answer to
• 1:08:39
  that question. Where would you like to go in
• 1:08:40
  the US? And then Zoe, don't know if this
• 1:08:45
  was ever asked, but if you didn't have your day job, would
• 1:08:48
  you travel to cases like the Nancy case, for example?
• 1:08:50
  The answer to that is absolutely 100% yes.
• 1:08:53
  If I didn't have my day job, there has to be a predicate
• 1:08:57
  here, right? The day job is a job that I
• 1:09:00
  love. Not only do I love the company I
• 1:09:03
  work for and the people that I work with, I love the task of
• 1:09:06
  the job. I, I, it's fun.
• 1:09:08
  You know what I did today? I traveled out to Titusville, PA
• 1:09:12
  and I covered a ribbon cutting of a little library.
• 1:09:18
  You know, you know those little like library stands that are
• 1:09:22
  just like miniature, You take a book, leave a book.
• 1:09:26
  Little Free Library, right? And, and it was fun, man.
• 1:09:31
  I met some amazing people that are out just doing good and, and
• 1:09:35
  this is their 21st little library that they put up and
• 1:09:38
  it's just cool. I love it.
• 1:09:41
  But if YouTube paid all the bills, yeah, I would, I would, I
• 1:09:47
  would have been at the Corey Richins trial 100%.
• 1:09:50
  I would have been out in Tucson covering Nancy 100%.
• 1:09:54
  I would have been down in Mississippi covering Kirby
• 1:09:57
  Carpenter's trial for sure. I would have been down in
• 1:10:01
  Florida on the Madeline Soto case.
• 1:10:05
  The the issue is, is resources, right?
• 1:10:11
  And, and there is kind of a, there is kind of a spot where
• 1:10:17
  you have to kind of make the leap, but I'm not at that spot
• 1:10:21
  yet. And I really love what I what I
• 1:10:25
  do for the day job. Thank you very much for that
• 1:10:27
  question. Great question.
• 1:10:28
  Those guys are you 3 questions. Don't forget to send your
• 1:10:31
  questions, 2-3 questions at gavinfish.com.
• 1:10:33
  Three questions at gavinfish.com.
• 1:10:35
  I will endeavor to answer them. And now let's get into
• 1:10:38
  headlines. These are important headlines.
• 1:10:40
  Here we go, true crime headlines.
• 1:10:49
  Okie dokie. And while we go through
• 1:10:51
  headlines today, be sure to be sure to answer those questions
• 1:10:57
  for me, will you? OK, because we will check in on
• 1:11:02
  your comments before we call it a night.
• 1:11:05
  Did you guys see this article in the New York Times yesterday?
• 1:11:09
  I have left a link to all the articles that we covered today.
• 1:11:13
  The New York Times 1 is behind a paywall, so I left a non paywall
• 1:11:17
  version of it for you to check out.
• 1:11:21
  It was actually I think it was written, I think maybe yesterday
• 1:11:26
  could have been today. I'm not sure, but it is titled
• 1:11:30
  How I Found out I Knew a Serial Killer Dun Dun Dun.
• 1:11:36
  Speaking of which, this is a little bit of a tangent.
• 1:11:45
  I have never known a serial killer, but the Golden State
• 1:11:49
  Killer lived in my neighborhood close enough.
• 1:11:53
  Like I had friends. It wasn't like my specific
• 1:11:55
  neighborhood, but I had a friend in that neighborhood that I
• 1:11:58
  would ride my bike to and finding out that you lived close
• 1:12:05
  to, you know, GSK that that was that was disturbing.
• 1:12:12
  But this article like spoke to me how I found out I knew a
• 1:12:17
  serial killer from the New York Times doesn't say the author.
• 1:12:23
  I'm sorry, but you click on the link, you'll get to the author.
• 1:12:25
  One July morning in 2023, I was driving my son to an art class
• 1:12:29
  when my friend Amy Ryan called with news that seems destined
• 1:12:33
  never to lose its shock value. The Gilgo Beach serial killer
• 1:12:38
  who had murdered young women, all sex workers, over decades,
• 1:12:41
  leaving their bodies wrapped in burlap in the brush along the
• 1:12:45
  Atlantic Ocean on Long Island, had just been identified and
• 1:12:48
  taken into custody. Quote, you will never, you will
• 1:12:52
  not believe who it is, she reported in whispered
• 1:12:55
  astonishment, continuing the quote, It's Rex Heuermann, A
• 1:12:58
  disclosure that had me pull over, however unlikely it was,
• 1:13:03
  that the two of us, lifelong New Yorkers in middle age. 1A
• 1:13:06
  journalist, the other an Oscar and Tony nominated Ask actress,
• 1:13:11
  would know a serial killer merely by way of our domestic
• 1:13:15
  routines. It is in fact where we had
• 1:13:18
  landed. Heuermann was a consulting
• 1:13:20
  architect who worked with the stewards of several well kept
• 1:13:24
  pre war apartment buildings in Brooklyn, brought in to sign off
• 1:13:28
  on individual renovations or advise on broader structural
• 1:13:31
  projects. So the reason that this one
• 1:13:34
  spoke to me is that Heuermann, don't miss that.
• 1:13:39
  Heuermann, there you are this guy.
• 1:13:43
  I mean, people were interacting with him day in and day out for
• 1:13:50
  years, never suspecting that that guy wearing the half
• 1:13:55
  Windsor there was was killing sex workers, right.
• 1:14:02
  And it's just it made it made me stop and wonder.
• 1:14:06
  I'm like, OK, who am I associating with that eventually
• 1:14:11
  we'll be found out to be a serial killer.
• 1:14:13
  Now listen, I'm looking at you, Robin.
• 1:14:16
  This better not come out, OK? I'm telling you, I will be
• 1:14:21
  shocked. Shocked.
• 1:14:23
  I hope it's none of my mods, man.
• 1:14:28
  They're crazy, right? OK, she continues.
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  That would have been chillingly bizarre enough on its own, but
• 1:14:36
  there was another, even more startling connection.
• 1:14:39
  Long before Huerman had fallen on the radar of Long Island law
• 1:14:43
  enforcement, Amy starred in Lost Girls, the 2020 Netflix Netflix
• 1:14:48
  film about the families of the Gilgo Beach victims, which was
• 1:14:52
  based on Robert Kolker's book of the same name.
• 1:14:55
  In it, she plays Mary Gilbert, the mother of Shannon Gilbert,
• 1:14:58
  whose remains were found in the Bramble at Oak Beach, a few
• 1:15:02
  miles from Gilgo, an eerie part of the Long Island coastline
• 1:15:05
  roughly halfway between the sociologically diverse rock ways
• 1:15:09
  and the private equity funhouse of the Hamptons.
• 1:15:13
  So yeah, just check out the entire article.
• 1:15:17
  It's it's not all that long. Link is in the description
• 1:15:20
  below. OK, now I have been keeping my
• 1:15:25
  eye on this case every day since it broke.
• 1:15:32
  This is the Anna Kepner case. Anna Kepner was a teenage girl,
• 1:15:38
  a senior in high school who went on a cruise with her family and
• 1:15:44
  then just disappeared. Her body was discovered by staff
• 1:15:52
  stuffed like hidden under, under like blankets and life jackets
• 1:16:02
  and stuff like that. She had been stuffed into that
• 1:16:07
  area and her body was dead when when it was found.
• 1:16:11
  I should bring that one up. Well if you go to gavinfish.com
• 1:16:15
  today, let me let me bring this up.
• 1:16:20
  You will see an article Florida teen charged as adult in Anna
• 1:16:26
  Kepner cruise ship killing. We have been wondering about
• 1:16:31
  this. This is her stepbrother known as
• 1:16:34
  TH. He has officially, as of today
• 1:16:38
  it has been announced he has officially been charged with her
• 1:16:45
  murder as an adult. I wanted to show you now there
• 1:16:51
  is a link to Patreon in the description below.
• 1:16:55
  I uploaded 3 documents to my patrons.
• 1:16:58
  Thank you guys. Thank you so much for your
• 1:17:00
  support. One of the benefits of Patreon
• 1:17:03
  is that anytime I get documents, that's where I put them for my
• 1:17:07
  patrons. But this is the indictment of
• 1:17:11
  TH. I think I'm going to not say his
• 1:17:14
  name. We all know his name, it's out
• 1:17:17
  there, but I think I'm going to not say it just because they
• 1:17:22
  they've protected it here. This was filed March 10th and it
• 1:17:27
  was released. It was unsealed today.
• 1:17:31
  Superseding indictment. The Grand Jury charges that
• 1:17:35
  count 1. Murder on or about November 6th,
• 1:17:39
  2025, within the special maritime and territorial
• 1:17:42
  jurisdiction of the United States upon the high seas and
• 1:17:45
  out of the jurisdiction of any particular state or district,
• 1:17:49
  with Miami-Dade County in the Southern District of Florida
• 1:17:52
  being the district in which the offender was arrested.
• 1:17:54
  The defendant TH Minor did knowingly and unlawfully
• 1:17:59
  perpetrate an attempt to perpetrate a murder that is 1.
• 1:18:03
  The willful, deliberate, malicious and premeditated
• 1:18:07
  killing of AK Anna Kepner with malice aforethought.
• 1:18:12
  And two. The unlawful killing of Anna
• 1:18:15
  Kepner during the perpetration of or attempt to perpetrate an
• 1:18:18
  aggravated SA in violation of Title 18, US Code Sections 1111
• 1:18:31
  A and seven Count 2 Aggravated SA on or about November 6th,
• 1:18:40
  2025 within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction.
• 1:18:44
  Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:18:46
  TH A minor did knowingly cause an attempt to cause a person
• 1:18:51
  that is Anna Kepner to engage in a sexual act that is by causing
• 1:18:56
  contact between his dangly bits and Anna's.
• 1:19:02
  I have to be careful because of YouTube.
• 1:19:03
  Guys, I'm very sorry. I don't mean to, to my what am I
• 1:19:10
  trying to say? I'm, I'm not trying to add
• 1:19:13
  comedy to this at all. I just, I can't, I can't say it
• 1:19:17
  because of YouTube. So he tried to make contact with
• 1:19:21
  his sexual organ and Anna's sexual organ penetrating Anna
• 1:19:28
  and did so by use of force against Anna in violation of
• 1:19:33
  Title 18 US Code. That is the indictment.
• 1:19:38
  And then there is the penalty sheet.
• 1:19:41
  So TH a minor he is charged murder in the first degree.
• 1:19:46
  So he is facing life in prison and a maximum fine of $250,000
• 1:19:55
  with a Max term of supervision, supervised release of five years
• 1:20:01
  and then aggravated essay is a life.
• 1:20:04
  Life sentence if he's found guilty of it, maximum final of
• 1:20:08
  $250,000. Let's see.
• 1:20:13
  This is an indictment. It is a felony.
• 1:20:16
  Obviously this is the case. If you want to go to PACER and
• 1:20:21
  look up the case, that's the case.
• 1:20:28
  It was not previously filed in District Court.
• 1:20:33
  See if there's anything else that we can.
• 1:20:35
  And then I think this is the same.
• 1:20:37
  This is just an attachment. So yeah, oh, they did not, they
• 1:20:43
  did not redact the four person signature on that one.
• 1:20:46
  But anyway, so yeah, it's just it's just two versions of the
• 1:20:52
  exact same thing. Anyway, THTH I think we
• 1:20:59
  suspected this. He he.
• 1:21:02
  According to police, it is alleged that he murdered Anna
• 1:21:09
  Kepner, this beautiful senior in high school, in the Commission
• 1:21:15
  of an essay assault stepbrother. I don't know, I, I know he's a
• 1:21:26
  minor, guys, I know he's a minor, but they're just some
• 1:21:31
  things that are not. I'm conflicted.
• 1:21:38
  There's some things that I, I just think I think the DP is
• 1:21:41
  appropriate, like like Stephen Stearns, I think the DP was
• 1:21:46
  appropriate. And in this case, we've got this
• 1:21:49
  beautiful young woman who lost her life after being violently
• 1:21:52
  assaulted, according to police, and then murdered.
• 1:21:57
  Is life imprisonment enough? I don't think so.
• 1:22:02
  I personally don't think so. That is the news.
• 1:22:06
  Oh, oh, wait a minute. No, Gavin, no, that is not the
• 1:22:11
  news. We are not done with headlines
• 1:22:13
  yet. We got some good.
• 1:22:16
  Let's. OK, let's do a little transition
• 1:22:18
  music. Wanda, can you give us some some
• 1:22:21
  transition music please? Oh, Wanda, I love it.
• 1:22:33
  It's got such a youthful voice. For a woman of your age, this is
• 1:22:37
  very, very, very good. Guys, it's time for good news.
• 1:22:41
  Let's. Let's get it.
• 1:22:42
  Just a taste of good news. I found this delightful.
• 1:22:49
  Here we go. Are you ready?
• 1:22:51
  And don't I'm going to get to your comments.
• 1:22:53
  Don't don't stop commenting. Here is the headline.
• 1:22:58
  World's fattest parrot on the verge of extinction 30 years ago
• 1:23:03
  has record-breaking breeding season.
• 1:23:06
  This coming to us from livesilentscience.com.
• 1:23:09
  Brioni Ravate Rabbit, I don't know.
• 1:23:13
  Briony Brioni, I don't know how to say your name.
• 1:23:16
  But thank you very much for this amazing report, OK?
• 1:23:21
  A critically endangered bird that almost went extinct 30
• 1:23:25
  years ago just recorded a major milestone.
• 1:23:29
  The Cockapo Recovery Program in New Zealand has celebrated the
• 1:23:35
  105th cockapo cockapo egg to hatch, the largest number since
• 1:23:40
  records began 30 years ago, according to the New Zealand
• 1:23:44
  broadcaster RNZ. In an updated chick count
• 1:23:48
  released April 3rd, representatives from the New
• 1:23:51
  England or the New Zealand Department of Conservation said
• 1:23:54
  105 cockapo chicks had hatched from 256 eggs laid.
• 1:23:59
  Of these, 98 chicks are still alive. 1 egg remains in an
• 1:24:04
  incubator. The achievement hints that the
• 1:24:07
  species, which reproduces only every two to four years, may be
• 1:24:12
  making a comeback. The kakapo is a critically
• 1:24:16
  endangered flightless parrot that is only found in New
• 1:24:19
  Zealand. They are the world's fattest and
• 1:24:22
  heaviest parrots, with males weighing up to 8.8 lbs.
• 1:24:28
  Wow. Hunting, habitat destruction and
• 1:24:32
  the introduction of new predators, probably like mice
• 1:24:34
  and rats and cats and stuff, have led a cockapoo populations
• 1:24:38
  to plummet. And the species almost went
• 1:24:41
  extinct in the 1990s. These birds only reproduce.
• 1:24:45
  Yeah, we heard about that. But today, there are an
• 1:24:47
  estimated 235 cockapoos remaining in the wild.
• 1:24:50
  Look at that. Look at that adorable bird.
• 1:24:56
  Not all of the newly hatched chicks will survive, however.
• 1:25:00
  Yeah, well, we don't want to hear the bad news part of it.
• 1:25:02
  We're just going to. OK, let's read.
• 1:25:04
  Every new chick brings the species further from the brink
• 1:25:07
  of extinction, Deidre Virko, the Department of Conservation's
• 1:25:10
  operations manager for Cockapoo, told Manga Bay.
• 1:25:13
  There's always a sense and hope of optimism for the future.
• 1:25:17
  And guys, I don't know, I just, I just love stories of
• 1:25:22
  successful conservation. I, I watched a video this
• 1:25:25
  weekend of a island off the coast of Australia that was once
• 1:25:32
  a important breeding ground for migrating seabirds that was full
• 1:25:38
  of guano. In the late 1800s.
• 1:25:40
  It was harvested. The guano is harvested as you
• 1:25:45
  know, fertilizer and stuff like that, which introduced
• 1:25:47
  cockroaches, mice to the island, which decimated the seabird
• 1:25:52
  population. And they are working to decimate
• 1:25:56
  the mice and the cockroaches in order to bring those birds back,
• 1:26:01
  which is delightful. I love, love, love stories like
• 1:26:04
  that. OK, let's finish out today with
• 1:26:07
  your comments. Let me let me refresh and zoom
• 1:26:11
  back up, OK? Debbie asks how long does it
• 1:26:18
  take for mixed DNA to get results back?
• 1:26:21
  I just, it depends on so many factors, but I would imagine
• 1:26:24
  months. I would imagine months on this
• 1:26:27
  one. Donna says Gavin, I hate to say
• 1:26:31
  this, but I believe the family no more.
• 1:26:33
  OK? Donna also says Gavin.
• 1:26:36
  Too much water isn't good. Indeed you can get water
• 1:26:39
  toxicity. You have to you have to be smart
• 1:26:41
  about drinking water, which is why I stay around 7080 oz, which
• 1:26:46
  is perfect for me. Chaos Mama, you're the thing
• 1:26:50
  that you do for fun is crafting good for you.
• 1:26:53
  You know, the, the YouTube channels that I consume the most
• 1:26:56
  are the maker channels. I especially love the channels
• 1:27:02
  where people are like I'm a woodworker also I'm a metal
• 1:27:05
  worker. Also, I'm a blacksmith.
• 1:27:07
  Also, I love to program robotics.
• 1:27:09
  Also, I love, I love doing, you know, photo books and I love, I
• 1:27:15
  love crocheting and I love that stuff.
• 1:27:18
  Crafting is one of those things where I wish I was better at it,
• 1:27:22
  wish I was better at it. Oh, I forgot to say photography
• 1:27:24
  is a, is a real passion of mine. I love photography, Kay Bling
• 1:27:29
  says Gavin, It's funny you settled into married life and
• 1:27:32
  fun is what you make it. Indeed, Nikki says side thought.
• 1:27:37
  I wonder if Annie or Tom were the target, not Savannah.
• 1:27:40
  And Savannah just said that to throw the perp off.
• 1:27:43
  Possible possible. Mooney loves her live concerts
• 1:27:47
  and baseball games. Mooney, I'm with you on the
• 1:27:49
  baseball game thing. I am so with you and I've been
• 1:27:52
  to a couple of concerts that were awesome, don't get me
• 1:27:55
  wrong, but but I, I'm a recorded music kind of guy, Robin says.
• 1:28:03
  I think we need the movie theater popcorn in our recipe
• 1:28:06
  box. Oh, it's easy.
• 1:28:08
  It's easy. And I will share that with
• 1:28:10
  Robin. By the way, I, we, we haven't
• 1:28:14
  perfectly decided on this, but we want, we, we want a good
• 1:28:18
  recipe box or recipe book. You guys have asked for my
• 1:28:25
  healthy protein rich cheesecake recipe, which really isn't mine.
• 1:28:28
  I mean, I've tweaked it a little bit here and there.
• 1:28:30
  So I guess that's how recipes work, right?
• 1:28:32
  Comes yours. But and then movie theater
• 1:28:35
  popcorn again, wasn't mine, but I tweaked it.
• 1:28:37
  In fact, I just ordered in today some one of the ingredients that
• 1:28:44
  is running low in our pantry. OK, Debbie says, why is movie
• 1:28:49
  theater popcorn so much better than what you make at home?
• 1:28:52
  I will tell you why because we are led to believe that the
• 1:28:58
  taste that we are experiencing in movie theater popcorn is
• 1:29:01
  butter and it is not butter. It is not butter at all.
• 1:29:06
  It is coconut oil, coconut oil and salt.
• 1:29:11
  So I will share it with you guys, but you can go on my
• 1:29:14
  channel. Just go to my channel and search
• 1:29:16
  popcorn. You're you're going to get a
• 1:29:19
  video that I did for my nieces and nephews.
• 1:29:21
  You're going to say, Gavin, your whirly pop looks gross.
• 1:29:24
  Wash that thing. Well, it was like the 10th take
• 1:29:28
  and I had made so much popcorn that day.
• 1:29:30
  But anyway, I have a little whirly pop pan that our our kids
• 1:29:35
  gave me and it's actually our second version.
• 1:29:38
  Our first one we got from my brother-in-law and
• 1:29:41
  sister-in-law. But you get the you don't need
• 1:29:43
  the whirly pop. But I, I will teach you exactly
• 1:29:46
  how to do it. It's on my channel.
• 1:29:47
  Just search popcorn. You'll get it.
• 1:29:49
  It's because it's not butter. It is beta carotene infused
• 1:29:55
  coconut oil and very, very salty salt.
• 1:30:01
  You're welcome. Oh, looks like Autumn shared the
• 1:30:03
  link. Thank you.
• 1:30:05
  Thank you for sharing that. Autumn KS Mama says #2 I'd love
• 1:30:09
  to visit historic sites in the East.
• 1:30:12
  I also want to take my kids to sites that are historic for my
• 1:30:15
  church. Yeah, we've done that with our
• 1:30:17
  kids actually, here in the East for our church.
• 1:30:20
  There are lots of historic sites.
• 1:30:21
  So it it's fun to do and anything, anything historical is
• 1:30:27
  fun. I love it.
• 1:30:30
  Love, love, love. Cabling says we live in a OR.
• 1:30:33
  I live in a very rural area where most properties are 5 to
• 1:30:36
  10 acres. So a neighbor put up a front
• 1:30:38
  glass box with books and said take one, leave one.
• 1:30:41
  It's pretty cool. I love those.
• 1:30:42
  Yeah, I love the little libraries.
• 1:30:44
  They are terrific. Pammy says #1 Grands and Harley
• 1:30:48
  trike trips. Awesome #2 Prior mentioned trike
• 1:30:52
  to national parks. Awesome.
• 1:30:55
  I've been to about 34 so far. Amazing.
• 1:31:00
  Hey, we went to the Gateway Arch National Park a couple years ago
• 1:31:05
  or last year maybe. That was just last year.
• 1:31:08
  That was fun. OK.
• 1:31:10
  And then #3 heck, yeah. I'd love to travel live trials
• 1:31:13
  if I could. Yeah, that would be fun.
• 1:31:15
  I I and I would totally do it. Autumn saying I don't know,
• 1:31:21
  Gavin, I live pretty close. Maybe it's maybe you're the
• 1:31:23
  serial killer Scotch's mom. I have a friend who lived a
• 1:31:27
  block away from LISK. Debbie says.
• 1:31:31
  Why was the stepbrother not kept in custody in February and
• 1:31:34
  released till now? I don't know those details.
• 1:31:37
  Maybe it had to do with the whole minor thing, I don't know.
• 1:31:43
  But those are serious charges. Murder and SA who?
• 1:31:49
  Wait a minute, Maybelle, my late brother-in-law was a serial
• 1:31:52
  killer? What?
• 1:31:54
  He killed his wife, a cop and a church caretaker, then himself.
• 1:31:59
  Jason Hamilton, 2007, Moscow, ID.
• 1:32:04
  Oh, that's too close to home, Mabel.
• 1:32:07
  Wow. Wow.
• 1:32:09
  Wow, Wow, wow. Wow.
• 1:32:12
  Debbie says, who has their 16 year old son share a room with a
• 1:32:16
  teenage sister or step sister at that.
• 1:32:19
  Yeah. And by the way, well, I don't
• 1:32:21
  know if I should bring this up. I think I'll just leave it at
• 1:32:26
  that. I'll just leave it at that.
• 1:32:28
  But I'm glad they got him. Beverly is watching from
• 1:32:32
  Louisiana. Glad you're here.
• 1:32:34
  Thank you very much for joining us.
• 1:32:37
  Debbie saying, is this case harder because it was on the
• 1:32:40
  seas? Possibly, possibly.
• 1:32:42
  I mean, now that we've now that it's unsealed, I mean, most of
• 1:32:47
  the documents in there are still sealed, but but now that the
• 1:32:53
  case is being unsealed, I think that we'll learn a little bit
• 1:32:57
  more and I'm going to, I'm going to start going through
• 1:32:59
  everything. Gavin, do you know what took
• 1:33:06
  them so long to officially charge him with murder?
• 1:33:08
  I do not. And they didn't say in their
• 1:33:11
  official release last week. We we saw I, I brought a piece
• 1:33:16
  of news. Her name is Kimberly Sullivan.
• 1:33:19
  I brought a piece of news from last month where she is facing
• 1:33:23
  additional charges. But since then, we haven't seen
• 1:33:25
  anything else. Let's see.
• 1:33:29
  Couple things here. Donna says he should do life no
• 1:33:34
  parole. Pammy says I Googled and already
• 1:33:37
  watched the popcorn video by Gavin.
• 1:33:39
  Yeah, it's, I'm telling you, that's the way to do it.
• 1:33:44
  Let's see it refreshed. And I clicked the wrong one.
• 1:33:47
  Mischievous dragon. I've only seen the kakapo in the
• 1:33:50
  Oceana extension of Wingspan card game.
• 1:33:53
  Well, I hope that someday there will be enough in the wild that
• 1:33:57
  they will be common, common, common, common.
• 1:34:01
  OK guys, thanks so much for your conversation today.
• 1:34:04
  Thanks for staying all the way to the end.
• 1:34:06
  Really appreciate this new look into, you know, the evidence
• 1:34:10
  that we know so far about Nancy Guthrie.
• 1:34:12
  I hope that we will learn more. I I think that we'll probably
• 1:34:18
  dig into Anna Kepner a little bit more tomorrow.
• 1:34:20
  I'll be going through those documents tonight to see what
• 1:34:24
  else we might be able to glean out of there.
• 1:34:27
  But that is a case that we want to keep an eye on.
• 1:34:29
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• 1:34:33
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