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What to Eat? Food as fuel vs Food as Entertainment? · Pioneer Mind Podcast

• speaker-0: Another episode of the Mark Workman Show. just always glad to be here. This is our Well Within series, where Kathy and I just really focus in on. Just really interesting topics and discussions about philosophy, maybe of food and eating and dieting and all those kind of things. And then how to encourage those to find a well-within spot in terms of wholeness and how they live their life and have freedom and wholeness in their body, wholeness in their mind. And we really want to encourage that all the time. But today's show is just a build on from last week's when we talked about hunger and how you earn your hunger and how hunger really is a a a a bodily message telling you that you need energy and and like literally what we're gonna talk about today, the guy that's the wood chopper is needs way more energy than the person working in the office like myself. And in many in my decade of my 40s, I was eating like I was a wood chopper and it showed up, you know. So I'm not a wood chopper. So and have just, you know, used my brain in a different way. So I don't need quite as much energy. And those are kind of just simple things to for us to talk about philosophically. But hunger is the need for energy, and appetite is the kind of the pursuit of pleasure. And there's real interesting discussions that can be had there as you make decisions for your own life and for how you approach your dieting and your eating and your energy use and your work and your workouts and how you live your life. And today we're gonna kind of just jump in there and ask some pretty important questions as the body really already knows what it needs. So the the title of today's episode would be. what to eat. And a lot of times we get confused on what that actually means when we consider there's so many voices coming at us telling us what to eat. When really the body is giving us messaging about that that we're maybe ignoring. So it's going to be a great show. I invite you to just join us in the next 30 minutes. And again, we try to keep these really, really succinct and brief without going too far because there's just so much information. We could just talk for hours and we don't want to do that. If you would please subscribe and like. The show is growing. Last week's show got over 3,000 views in one day. We're just not getting a lot of subscribe and likes. And even if you don't want to watch a show necessarily, it does help the show grow for the algorithm, which is what we want to do is to reach as many people with this message as we can. So subscribe, like, and share really helps us. So anyway, welcome back, Kathy. Here we go. speaker-1: Hi there, how are ya? speaker-0: Good, really good. And love doing these. I look forward to them so much. it's kind of an important topic today. as we just you know, ca last week we talked about hunger. can you recap that a little bit? Kind of how we're seeing hunger maybe incorrectly over even our whole lives. Sure. speaker-1: Well, I would say hunger has been demonized, we're afraid of it. We don't want to be hungry. We don't want to be left without. And we've been encouraged to eat six small meals a day so you don't get hungry. Keep that metabolism going. And we know that that's you know, probably not the best information because it's leading us to chronic illness. And so we've got to find out what the end result is and then back it up. And your hunger, if I guess I like to think of it as a vehicle, if you're never taking your fancy fast car out of the garage, you don't need to keep fueling it. And that's the same with our bodies. what are we using it for? And how much fuel do we need? Is really that hunger is getting to that place of, hey, my fuel tank is beeping. It's running low. We've we don't know what we've we've not learned to listen to those internals. And so I'm hoping to get back to listening to our bodies. speaker-0: Yeah, well yeah, and what we learned last week is that body's messaging us, but just thinking about what you just said, I think to some degree is the lack of us getting to hunger. We're just always a little less full to a little less full. Sure. We're told to eat three meals a day, so we never really get hungry. I'm starting to think too is that there's a fear mode in there. Like there's a fear of lack. so I don't want to get to that lack mode because I'm afraid to get there. Yeah. I think there's fear driving some of this too, not even what we're eating or choosing Chick-fil-A or whatever our favorite food is in terms of addictions because we know addictions are real, but there's also a fear underlying some of these decisions we do about hunger and appetite, the energy or the pleasure. Sure. Right. speaker-1: Yeah, and all that's part of marketing too, to create us to be afraid of that hunger when hunger's really a gift and getting back to the common sense of listening to our bodies instead of needing somebody or something to tell us when and how much to eat. speaker-0: Yeah, I I have written here one of my questions for you is is why are we still confused about food? And I wrote down here my answer is you can give your answer, but my answer is there's just so many voices over the years, especially after over the last 10 or 11 years in terms of my own experience is don't eat steak. Don't eat red meat. then eat protein, eat red meat. Only eat fish. Right? so we get these messages and there's twenty million messages piling on us and I think that's created a lot of confusion. speaker-1: Well, sh sure it has. you walk through the aisles of Walmart or any grocery store and it's overwhelming to know what to have. So I would say I think what was your original question? I think it's our food environment has changed dramatically. speaker-0: Why is there so much confusion around the idea of food? There is in my opinion. speaker-1: Well, there is because you know, a couple hundred years ago it was chickens. So you had your eggs, it was the cows, you had milk, you had cheese. Now we have so much. Our food environment has gotten so varied and so big and the marketing has been so powerful that we are constantly being bombarded with more and more and confusing messages. speaker-0: Yeah, I can probably pull up a YouTube do a YouTube search and I could probably find ten videos from ten doctors, ten experts, ten whatever influencers telling me to do one thing, and I can find ten that tell me to do the exact opposite. Right. So that's where to me the confusion comes in is it you so you have to decide who you trust and and really gets down to that what we're trying to teach here in this in these episodes is we need to trust ourselves. speaker-1: Get back to the common sense. Get back to reading your own your own dashboard, really, is what where it where it lies. And we have turned that over just like so many other things. We've turned over our own sovereignty to somebody else. Tell me what to do. It and then we all want to fit in the same mode. And it's like you wear a size 12, I wear a size 10. So if we find that average in the middle and we all have to wear a size 11, that's very gonna be very uncomfortable for you and very sloppy for me. So recognizing we're all very individual But the mass amounts in our food environment bring a lot of confusion by design. speaker-0: So you're saying one size fits all doesn't fit all? Correct. speaker-1: Recto. Yes. speaker-0: Well, I think about too another confusing thing about food is they've made it really complicated. And this is where I think this message is that we're trying to talk to the last few weeks about are you hungry or not? Do you need energy or not? Right. When you get down to that deciding point and then how active have I been, how much energy do I need? You start thinking that way. Right. It's tran it's revolutionary in my opinion. But then but you also look at what they've got us doing. They got us, you know, and I'm not against some of these tracking things 'cause I've done the C GM. I have watch checking those things but they got us checking macros how many calories counting calories charting this charting that and they've made it somewhat complicated and when it should be if we could get back to a simplicity with how we eat and how we operate in terms of just am I hungry or not? Did I run five miles or have I been sitting on my butt in my office all day? I don't need to eat as much, Yeah. So I think there's a complexity that has been added to it as well as we seek the perfect diet that has caused confusion. speaker-1: Sure. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Well, and we're always looking for the simple workaround. How can we do what we want to do and get away with it? And so, yeah, again, learning to read our own monitors and simplifying things, quieting the food noise, and also recognizing, you know, entertainment has hijacked the food. So most of us are eating out of entertainment or boredom or whatever, lots of different reasons. that we're eating and not necessarily because our body is saying, Hey, feed me. speaker-0: Yeah. And they've created holidays every three weeks between Valence Day, Times Day, Easter, you know, all these hoen. It just never ends, right? It's just every three weeks they got us on some sort of binging thing that's related to a an event or a holiday, right? And football games, all kinds of things. There's so many factors driving us, but if we have at the undercurrent of who we are, the idea that we can decide if we're hungry or not, that I honestly think this is such an important subject. I I've loved these shows and I'm I I'm excited to talk about this subject, but it really gets down to knowing yourself and thinking what am I thinking about? What is my body actually telling me? Sure. It's pretty powerful. speaker-1: Well, yeah, and they've got us in this addictive mode. I mean, we know sugar is highly addictive that just sparks the cravings all the more. So now all we're thinking about, like you said, you've said before, you know, you're thinking about the next meal while you're eating this meal and we're not even really enjoying what's in front of us. They've just got us on this spinny wheel of addiction. And so yeah. speaker-0: Let's t let's switch gears a little bit and talk about the idea of nature. you like to get into nature, you enjoy going for walks, you're a big fan of hiking Mount Kilimanjaro and back and you know, all the things you like to do. But the the truth of it is is there is a food environment that we live in geographically. Like We're here in Montana, we can't grow a lot. We have to ship a lot in. talk about the idea of nature and maybe different people that live in different climates and what they have available to eat and what they don't and how that affects how we we live and how everybody every culture has a little bit different geography. speaker-1: Sure. Well we all got somewhere because we We followed a certain pattern to get here. So we got to look back and what are the patterns that changed? And you think of the Alaskan Eskimos, they're eating blubber and fat all the time. Never have they had any heart issues or any of that until the government came in and started giving them bread or flour and sugar and those sorts of things and telling them, we all have to eat a certain way. Well, that's when a lot of the sickness and disease came in. And we're sitting in a place where we've never been sicker before. we spend more money on we have you know the best supposedly first world country medical stuff and we're sicker than ever. So you gotta ask questions and back it up. the Native Americans, they were, you know, harvesting buffalo, they were, you know, drying the drying their meats. They they were very limited in what they had, but doing very well until, you know, we brought in the the flowers and the and the sugar, and that's changed. speaker-0: So some in some ways we we we think we've advanced, right? Right as a civilization. And you sent me a text about heart disease or heart surgeries. Yeah. Maybe talk about that a little bit, but maybe it's not related to this subject, but it is. Okay, it is. So it it in and I can't remember the whole text that you sent me, but I thought it was interesting because it it basically they didn't never seen heart disease and then speaker-1: Yeah, in the early nineteen hundreds they didn't have any heart disease. And so they were trying to figure out where this was coming from and it all changed when our oils changed. When we quit eating just natural butter and lard and those sorts of things and started eating the seed oils, those seed oils stick in your go to the LDLs and they get sticky and they stick in there. Now all of a sudden heart disease is the number one thing. And that's where I'm saying you've got to back it up and see what changed. Why, why did that change? And I did a little video the other day about sugar. So in the 1800s, we were eating three to five pounds of sugar in a year. That's the size of a small, maybe premi baby. And then within a hundred years, now it's 30 to 40 pounds. Now that's a toddler. Now we're eating 156 pounds of sugar in a year. That's a that's a large adult. And so those are some really big factors that have changed. the oils again, we demonize the fats, get rid of the butter, get rid of all those, and we brought in the the seed oils, which our body ca they're an industrial oil really that our body cannot process. And they call it vegetable oil. So we think, vegetables are good for you. speaker-0: And when you do some little research on the seed oils and these and th that they're marketing to us, you find out that they're a waste product for these industries. Sure. They don't know what to do with it. So they turned it into a marketing campaign to be used and consumed when really it was never intended for that. You know what I mean? Right. They're literally waste products. Yeah. And and no one would like to hear that, but it's stuff that they would normally throw away and they said, Well, we got, you know, how many hundred tons of this stuff we gotta figure out what to do with it. So they started feeding it to us. speaker-1: Well then we've trusted because the FDA, why would they lead us astray? The Food and Drug Administration are making all these regulations and isn't it interesting that if we change this food, then it ups this drug. So there there's something in that where, you know, we're all recognizing now with make agri America Healthy Again, all the different ingredients they're putting in the food. Why? Because we have a drug to offset it. So you really have to look at that spinning wheel of the drug and the food and drug administration and who we've left in charge. And that's really the piece where we need to take back our our power. speaker-0: Yeah, when we think about where we live in the geography, you know, we're really in this set what we're talking about right now in terms of nature is we're talking about the idea of regional eating. Like where I'm getting my resources and my food from the region that I actually live in. Well, modern logistics has changed that, right? Right. We can we can get a a really specialized handmade chair from Italy it to our house in three days. You know, and the food is the same way, it's been transported. All over the world and the foods that we wouldn't normally get in our region are now flooded into the market or all year long. speaker-1: All year long. And but I don't know that we were designed to eat them year round all from all over the place. So those are some of the regional natural things I think you're talking about. And you've got to take it back to we have an amazing creator that created an earth without lack that would take good care of us. And as you look back at the Maasai tribe and the things they eat that are available to them, it's it's advantageous to them. If you look at the prairie people, what they were eating at at that time, it was advantageous to them. But you have to look at where we're at. now and it's obviously not advantageous because ninety-three percent of the population is very sick. We have two hundred and seventy million people that are on medications for a lifestyle issue and you can't out medicate a bad lifestyle and that's what we keep trying to do. speaker-0: Right. And and the the challenge is is that I definitely love pasta, say, you know, chicken Alfredo. Right. Sure. And I can get chicken, but I wouldn't normally have Alfredo in Montana if it regionally, right? There's a pasta plant here, but they ship that all over the world. And you know, it's just interesting how the food choices would change if we really looked at Montana and what it offered. We would eat quite differently if we structured our diet around where we live here in Montana. How would that look? speaker-1: Right. Well, I I again I think you go back to God is amazing. Like if all the grocery stores closed, you know, just doing our event at the in Lewis and Clark Interpretive Center, just going back two hundred and twenty years, when Lewis and Clark came through here, there wasn't grocery stores. They were having to you know, hunt and they actively they were burning 9,000 calories a day, eating just buffalo meat, you know, they knew to pack salt, they stayed at the ocean for several months collecting salt because they knew they needed. that all these different things that now have been changed and twisted and we're getting different results with it. So looking looking back and keeping it simple, God didn't create a world with lack, but we've also learned that every weed we spray it and kill it like it's a bad thing when a lot of these weeds were actually the nutrition, the medicinal purposes that they were using in the time in that time. speaker-0: Here's question for you. Can one a diet for one person that works be harmful to another person or not work? I mean, sure. speaker-1: Okay, just like Lewis and Clark, they're burning nine thousand calories a day, portaging. I'm not burning nine thousand calories a day. So if I sat down to five pounds of buffalo meat, yeah, it's gonna cause a problem for me. And so knowing, you know, what's your output, then what's your input. And recognizing those things I think are really important. And you know, I've been a part of the weight loss industry that had a a plan. We're gonna package your meals, we're gonna tell you what to eat, how often to eat. And it worked for the weight loss, but it wasn't necessarily healing some of the other issues. And so I think that's why it's dangerous to pull us apart in body parts. We need to look at the whole piece. Yeah. the whole body is always telling us stuff. speaker-0: One hundred percent. There's messaging going on there. So let's just break into this earned hunger. We talked about it last week. We and I think it's good to go back there and talk about hunger versus appetite again. Can you really break down and explain the difference between hunger and appetite again? We we are confusing those things. I think we think Our appetite is the message that we're hungry when appetite is about pleasure. Hunger's about energy. And I think we're confusing that a lot. I know I did for a long time, but I think that's a powerful message. Can you disfer differentiate between the two? speaker-1: Yeah, the hunger is when your body is actually growling and telling you, Hey, we're ready to process some energy. Give me some energy. Appetite is you see an ad on TV and you're like, that looks so good. And you s can start salivating and and we're eating because we've been you know, they've they've triggered something in us in the marketing piece. They've triggered that sweet spot of of addiction differently for each of us. For one it might be the pizza, for the others it might be the dairy queen. It might be something like that. But just recognizing we're constantly being marketed to, that's appetite. But hunger is when your body is truly prepared to consume something because you've been working and you need food. You need fuel. speaker-0: And it's messaging you, right? It's it's telling you a message. how how can we help people get to the idea of what true hunger is and it how it's happening in them? Like we need to have a discussion about that because I know growing up I used to say, I'm starving. Right. And I'm not starving. I just had literally I'd I'd have lunch at high school, get home at 233 before practice. I because the practice was at five, so I'd go home and have two peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and a box of Wheaties. I ate a whole box at a time. I you've heard that story. And I'm just consuming food out the walls and then I'm eating dinner and I would tell my mom and dad I'm starving. Sure. So I I didn't understand what hung speaker-1: We raised two boys and we know my youngest, I'm doing dishes and cleaning up and he's looking for food and he goes, Mom, it's just a pebble in the well. But now what we know is you just said you ate a box of cereal. The food is designed to not make you feel full because they've taken a lot of the fibers out. So you you're not hungry and it's all it did is really spark more cravings. And so understanding you've got to get the protein and the healthy fats in there for satisfaction for your body to actually get real fuel. So a lot of times the amounts are offset by the quality of the food itself is just making it worse. speaker-0: And I had a half a gallon of milk or more with my peanut butter. speaker-1: But it was skim milk, so we took the fat out, so now you're not satisfied. It's kinda big deal speaker-0: Can't remember if they had skin memory. speaker-1: back then 'cause you fat made you fat, remember? Yeah. They speaker-0: Yeah, my mom would have been all over that. speaker-1: had us afraid of fats. Yep. speaker-0: Right, and and another thing is that we don't talk about a lot is the the and I've noticed this for my own self is the di the d and I mentioned it earlier in the show, is the difference between physical work and mental work. You know, and I the mental work part is I I really need one meal a day. That's really all I need, you know. Yeah. And and that's all I'm doing like with unicity. I'm sipping these teas and the fiber and I'm down to basic Well and we used to speaker-1: Believe that. You used to be afraid that, my gosh, I'll lose all this weight if I'm not eating so much. When we we we've talked about you just don't need that much food, and your body really wants to be in this place of homeostasis where it's balanced. we're, you know, all the different messages that I I've told people to eat six small meals a day, keep fuel in the fire, I gotta keep fueling the fire, I gotta keep that metabolism going. All a crock, really a crock. And those are the messages that make us not trust our own body or confuse. Fuse hunger with appetite. speaker-0: Yeah, and I I I've shared with you honestly that I get frustrated with my own size and weight and everything. But then I gotta remember where I came from. it was two ninety-five, I'm down in the two thirties, I'm maintaining, I'm doing very well on one meal a day. I'm not hungry. I can honestly say I don't even think about anything and all the stuff that I used to dream about, I'm gonna leave work here at four thirty, I'm gonna go work out, but on my way home, I'm gonna get a frosty. You know what I mean? That's gone, all that's gone. So the the the the steps taken to change that lifestyle had been wonderful, but at the same time I think I have farther to go and I still think there's more to learn about food and hunger and appetite and desires and all those kind of things that we're talking about. I still have a way to go. speaker-1: Well, we talked about that hypnotic rhythm. It's the habits and the patterns that we do on a regular basis. your brain sets it up that way so it's easy. That's that's very efficient. That's what it wants to do. But if we never challenge those thoughts and we just keep doing them, we're gonna keep getting the same results. So when we can go, okay, this is the habit that I do, how can I change that? And and even for me, when I first found this Unicity product and they were recommending, 16 to 18 hour. fast, I'm thinking, my gosh, how am I going to do that? no, I don't want to do that. And there it was a fear. And, and then the first day and you got your tea, you really know food noise. I'm like, my gosh, this is miraculous. This is amazing. And then, really focus on what I am eating. So when I do eat, I'm eating, some simple good proteins and some vegetables and some salads. I'm really satisfied. I'm not having the cravings and that sounds so good. I need to get that. You know, it's just Makes it easy. speaker-0: Yeah, i as we wrap this part up is it's really few food as fuel or food as entertainment. And I think they've moved the culture over as food as entertainment. speaker-1: Totally. speaker-0: And so now it's entertainment. And I can't wait for my next meal. I'm gonna have this. I'm gonna have a piece of pie with some ice cream. I whatever for my dessert tonight. You're thinking about it all day. So it becomes this pleasure principle, this hedonistic addiction. Atten entertainment process that we're in with food when we need to turn it back into energy. speaker-1: Even when we know it's harming us. That's how you know it's coming to addiction. If you'll you're willing to do something knowing full well that it's harming you, then you have to ask the question, What's the addictive nature? Why are they adding all these extra ingredients to things? Why am I still hungry? I've just ate a great big meal. And so if you can't understand some of the basics of, and the food you you ate probably wasn't the food that was available, the meat, the cheese, the milk, the animal products. the grains even, but the grains have been modified so much and our guts are so unhealthy that we have even a hard time processing those. speaker-0: Yeah. Well the next thing I want to move into, you mentioned it already just 30 seconds ago about food noise. And I think some of the marketing thing that they do to us is also to create food noise. Sure. You know, in in I pulled up a scripture here says in Matthew 6, 31, take no thought what you shall eat. And I to me that's telling me that we shouldn't be thinking about his food as much as we do. And what does marketing do? It gets you thinking about food all the time. Yeah. So it it I think they've created the food noise as well. Sure. Not only the all the options to eat processed foods, which is maybe even bigger than just the idea of sugar. We talked about that yesterday, you and I are visiting about that. I think that's even bigger than just getting the focus off getting the focus on sugar is the processed food nature is creating the addiction you just talked about, but that food noise goes away with unicity is what I have found. I don't have that anymore and I can honestly say that. And I've heard many people testify to that. But I also think they're creating a food noise. They're getting us to think about food all the time. speaker-1: Well, it's called marketing. Yep. You know, and we're in this place of we need more, more, more. I always say we're drowning in the blessing, begging for more. And really, until we can kind of pull back the veil and recognize how easily manipulated we can be by just having a visual, or I can say, you know, cherry pie. there's just certain things that just spark different emotions or different memories and that can will get us getting up and going through, you know, to get whatever it is that Well, speaker-0: Here's a question for you. Can intuitive eating where we're listening to our body and what we need and we start to open our brain to think, okay, I did just drive across South Dakota, I better put gas on my car. How much energy do I need? Can that does that is that really something we can start to see rise in our culture in the age of processed foods? Yeah, speaker-1: Can we see it? speaker-0: can it I mean is is it too hard to turn it back? I guess. speaker-1: that's gonna be just a individual. And I think, a lot of times it takes pain to bring about change. And until we're miserable enough, it's not a lot of times until people their doctor says, Hey, you're pre-diabetic. When people go, my gosh, I gotta do something about this. That's right. So sometimes we need that pain to bring about the change, but it's all gonna be on an individual basis. I can't want it for somebody else. I can really want it for certain people, but until they have their own aha, I I, all you can do is plant seeds and hope that at some point they recognize there's another way. speaker-0: Yeah, to focus it even more on the food noise, you come from a history of NutriSystem way back when. Jenny Craig, ideal protein, you've been in this field, you're you're in love with it, and that's your passion. And I'm and I'm always encouraged by that. But have those types of focuses on diet and creating the perfect diet. Added to the food noise. speaker-1: Sure, because I think we're always think there's one little magic something that we're missing and we want somebody to tell us what it is. And really I think it's a matter of bringing common sense and making it common again because there's been so much of the other manipulation things. And that's what I guess I love about the simplicity of these products is that it puts you it puts your hands back on the steering wheel. And then you could have you can think clear. When you're not overeating, we know that when you're overeating in your gut, it's affecting your thinking. And, you know, people talk about that brain fog. And there's so many times if we're going to go sit down and eat with some friends, we're visiting and we're not even thinking about the food. I can consume a huge meal and go, my gosh, I just ate all of that and didn't even think about it. And so being able to kind of step back from some of those things and make some evaluations and really evaluate why we're fueling. speaker-0: Yeah. I I I can remember you sharing testimonies. You never really shared names. I didn't know who it was, but they came in and got on the scale and they felt so terrible. They didn't have a great week. They didn't so they they were dealing with some anxiety about what they were doing because it again, they're in a protocol, they're in a procedure, they gotta do a checklist, they gotta check in, they gotta even their scale's sending a message to you. Well and they didn't want to get on jail. speaker-1: I send it s I call it scale jail. Scale jail. Scale jail. And then I would ask them, so what what good happened this week? Well, I drank my water, I exercised, I did this. I don't know why it's at this amount. And the thing is, we can fuss one or two pounds can ruin our day when we're looking at scale jail. And I always say, the moon can move the whole ocean. So, what's it doing to our bodies? We are a living, ebbing and flowing. And I think the scale is a tool that can be used, but it's overused. And then it puts us in that jail. And really going, hey, my clothes fit better. I'm sleeping better. I drank my water. I'm not eating as much. I was able to fast. All of those are the things that I think we should look at more and get back to that. What is hunger? Well. speaker-0: Yeah, another question for you is in when you think of when what I mentioned earlier in the show that I think so many voices are creating confusion, are we overthinking nutrition? Are we overthinking the whole process of nutrition when it's just basically am I hungry or not? speaker-1: Yeah, it could get back to probably that simple. I'm not saying that we haven't learned some things and we know, different things now that we didn't know before, but I do think we've turned over our empowerment to a system or a this or a that. And and I've seen them work, like I said, it but it's really it gets back to this place of what's your lifestyle? Is it working for you? What's your hypnotic rhythms and what needs to change in your hypnotic rhythms? to get you the results you want. speaker-0: It's one of my questions a victim. It's one of my questions I had for you is have we outsourced too much authority over our health? Yes. You know, and and that and the key is to getting back to your body's messages, your lifestyle, your family, where you live, geography, climate. There's all kinds of factors there. But again, we can probably simplify this and and help people a lot, in my opinion. Okay, I got some rapid fire questions for you. It just gets you speaker-1: Yes, no, no, yes. speaker-0: Yes. Whatever. You do you do whatever you want, but this is this is what I came up with. Three foods you believe humans have thrived on longest. speaker-1: meat, eggs, dairy and veggies. Is that speaker-0: For is yeah, probably. Is breakfast necessary? speaker-1: if you slept through the night, you and your car has been parked in the garage, you do not need to fuel it. So no, it is not necessary. speaker-0: Biggest nutrition myth. speaker-1: eat constantly, six times a day, lots of little meals. speaker-0: Totally true. They that's a message, right? You get all the time. Okay, the most underrated food. Okay. speaker-1: protein. speaker-0: but people love protein. They love steaks and stuff, so it's underrated because they're pushing other things, you mean? speaker-1: Yeah, I yeah, I would say carbohydrates are what's pushed mostly. speaker-0: Gotcha. Okay. Do calories matter? speaker-1: Yes, the quality of your calor calories matter, but a lot less than we've we've been thought. You know, we thought calories in, calories out, but they process very differently in the body. So the quality of your calories, you know, 200 calories of a brownie is gonna process very different than 200 calories of protein. Okay. speaker-0: Is hunger a healthy feeling? speaker-1: Absolutely, but we don't know. And I I even think of myself, when was the last time I was truly hungry? 'Cause even after doing a sixteen, eighteen hour fast, I just know it's time to eat. But I don't necessarily always feel like, I'm really hungry. speaker-0: Okay, here's one for you. Meat or plants? False choice. speaker-1: there is no false choice. Wherever you're at, eat meat or plants. But or a combination of I think, you know, anything that's getting energy from the sun, whether your meat is eating the plants or you're eating the plants, I think, is a a personal preference and you see what it works what it does for your speaker-0: It's absolutely all vegan, one hundred percent vegan or all carnivore, right? You know, the we get these extremes and and I think that creates confusion. speaker-1: it comes back to you choose. speaker-0: Is fasting beneficial? speaker-1: Absolutely. I mean scripturally it says, you know, fasting and your healing will come quickly. And now we know the science behind that, you know? Before we used to just think, okay. And now we know the science. Over eating. speaker-0: Most harmful eating habit. One food rule everyone should follow. speaker-1: eat when you're hungry and learn what hunger really is. And just yeah, I would say, yeah, if that's a food rule, I don't know. speaker-0: Hm. If you could teach here's another question, if you could teach people just one thing about food and health that would eliminate most of today's confusion, what would it be? speaker-1: Wow, I would be a millionaire. Yeah. say that question again. speaker-0: If you could teach people just one thing about food and health that would eliminate most of today's confusion, what'd it be? speaker-1: I think making the connection that I mean, we s spend a ton of money on our vehicles and our houses. We want to take good care of them. We'll spend great money on paint and you know, on great fuel extra money. But when it comes to us, we want it cheap and fast. And so I would say value yourself and know that we are in charge of this temple and find some great quality products to put in it. speaker-0: Right. Well speaker-1: How's that? speaker-0: that's excellent because I think it's right on the money. We we will absolutely argue that something is too expensive when it's basically a dollar a day or something like that, and they they justify ten different reasons and then we'll spend ten thousand dollars on whatever. it's crazy how the thinking when it comes down to our health and how we feel like we can ignore that. I think that's a real thing. speaker-1: Well, I think we all have the money for what we really want, but I don't think we really value ourselves. I think we've been devalued to think that, that's selfish if I I do this or that. And then we're also fighting the addictive part of things. we'll spend a lot of money on the addictive things that we want, the junk food, the drive-throughs. But then when I say, Hey, for five dollars a day, and they're like, my gosh, how come it's so expensive? Well, you're already buying soda pops, you're buying coffees, you're buying all of those. This is cheaper than one cup of coffee. And it's actually healing and benefiting the body and and it's keeping you from overeating otherwise. So you're it's actually cost neutral. You're saving money. speaker-0: Yeah. Okay. As before we move into our thing we do every week, which is the problem and the solution, if people could remember one thing from this discussion today, what would you want it to be? What would be the one thing you'd want to remember as we talked about c geography, hunger, earning it, confusion, what would be the thing you'd want them to take away from? Yeah. speaker-1: Overfilling is killing us. Is that too simple? No. speaker-0: No, it's really good. Yeah. It's right on the money. Yeah, we're we just we just gotta just listen to our body, understand the instincts that our bodies are giving us the information, and operate from there. speaker-1: Overfueling is like sitting at a stoplight in this fancy car with your foot on the gas. And you're just rare in the motor, but you're never going anywhere. It's it's harming the engine. And when we're overfueling, we're messing with our gut-brain connection. Your body just can't process that much. It it does a beautiful job at leveling it out as the pancreas is working really hard, making more insulin. Insulin's trying to cram it in places, and we're basically just blowing ourselves up. speaker-0: Well, we're gonna move to the problem and discuss that a little bit and Kathy's gonna take it. She knows the wheel of torture as we mentioned it every week. everything goes back to this insulin resistance. There's so many factors involved and unicity is a big help with that. So let's talk about the problem. speaker-1: This spinny wheel to me was so eye-opening as I was dealing with obesity for over a decade and realized it's just one side effect. It's a symptom of the greater problem. So if you look in the middle, insulin resistance and you see all the things on the outside from obesity, type two diabetes, strokes, erectile dysfunction, neuropathy, cancers, acid reflux. All of these different things that circle around there are actually come from one area. So if we can target that insulin resistance, insulin resistance comes when we overfuel and our cells are now resistant. They can't take anymore. They're so full, they're resistant. So insulin resistance is really your body trying to protect you from you. It's not a bad thing, but we need to know how to back off the fuel. And let that pancreas rest, let the insulin come down. And when that happens, your body is designed to heal itself. And so it that's a pretty big deal. when we're fighting against addictions and stuff, the solution to the problem that I have found, and there's a lot of really great things out there, find something and try it consistently enough to till it works for you. But these three simple products a day, I just put it in my drink in the morning, shake it up. And it it it quiets the food noise. I'm satisfied, it gets the inflammation down, it boosts my mood, I have great steady energy. To me, that's priceless for a buck 74. And then I have a really good lunch with some protein, some fiber, and some fat, and I'm satisfied. I drink another one of these in the afternoon, and then we have balance, and that's adding fiber back. Fiber makes you feel fuller longer, keeps your blood sugar from spiking. And so these three simple products have really helped me. It's gotten me out of scale jail. I've been able to maintain my weight for a year without thinking about it. I have great energy and I feel amazing. So highly recommend it to anybody that's looking for a tool to help them break out of scale jail or addiction jail, all of those things. speaker-0: Well that that again, we we do that repetitively because again, we're trying to promote what Unicity offers as tools to help you get through some of that food noise, the cravings, get you to a lifestyle, maybe some intermittent fasting. And those aren't small things, those are just simple life changes that really change a lot, right? We've heard t hundreds of testimonies of how people have been transformed by these things. So again, we're gonna have this out there. There'll be some links in the description to get a hold of Kathy if you're interested in the protocol. Getting started, we want to encourage you with that. There's a 90 day money back guarantee. If you're interested in that, you can give it a shot. It's really cost neutral because if you are doing the intermittent fasting and you're skipping a meal, that's pretty much five dollars a day. You've done it for free, essentially, and given it a shot. and you'll enjoy it. you'll get a lot of support from Kathy and even myself. If you want to talk to me, you're more than welcome. but we thank you for joining us today. We just love this. We're gonna continue to build on this topic of hunger, earned hunger. hunger and what to eat and you know next week we're gonna talk about I can't remember what the next chapter is but we're gonna start going through these you know materials each week and build on this. It's just really a great subject matter. So anyway thanks Kathy such a great show and really looking forward to next week. Me too.