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[#4] Naked Awareness Spontaneously Arising (Jul 2025) · Lama Lena Teachings

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  SPEAKER_01: Because I know I can get a broadcast out of my cave.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there'll be tech-savvy people around if we want to broadcast more fancy
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  SPEAKER_01: than I know how to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can get it on Facebook.
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  SPEAKER_01: You guys just have to pick it up from there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't get it on YouTube yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't have the...
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  SPEAKER_01: It's more fiddly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see what can be done.
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  SPEAKER_01: Neander's not traveling with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's going to be looking after the house this summer and enjoying the hot weather
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  SPEAKER_01: because she likes it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't even think she'd use AC if I wasn't around.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you can go back to cooking nicely with the cats.
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  SPEAKER_01: Deb?
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  SPEAKER_01: Dordichung,
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  SPEAKER_01: Tichelo,
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  SPEAKER_01: Narodang, Marpa, Mila, Gompo,
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  SPEAKER_01: Tsa, Tsa, Pa, Na, Pupadang, Balin, Drupa, Sog, Ka, Gyo, Lama, Namla, Solow, Adib.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ochen, Lama, Namla, Solow, Adib.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ndru chen Lama Namla, Sol Vah Deb.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kaagin Wadiya Lama Namla, Sol Vah Deb.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nyan du dang yundran Lama Namla,
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  SPEAKER_01: So we are doing naked awareness self-liberating,
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  SPEAKER_01: or naked awareness liberating itself, however you wanna phrase that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we are on chapter nine.
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  Needs a review of seven and eight.
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  SPEAKER_01: Seven and eight was pretty much the pointing out in this text.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you missed it,
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  SPEAKER_01: a bit of a review
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  SPEAKER_01: to introduce you to your own intrinsic awareness,
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  SPEAKER_01: that natural state,
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  SPEAKER_01: the Rigpa,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is automatically natural to you,
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  SPEAKER_01: inherent in you and has been there from beginningless time.
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  SPEAKER_01: The seer that looks out from behind your own eyes.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the point.
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  SPEAKER_01: You follow the thoughts home to do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Following the thoughts home as in using all the little tricks I've taught in other teachings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go find them if you don't know them yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: Eye gaze, body position, yada, yada, yada.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is just stuff to make it easier.
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  SPEAKER_01: Using all of this, shift your attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your attention,
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  SPEAKER_01: where you are looking,
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  SPEAKER_01: what you are paying attention to,
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  SPEAKER_01: from what you are
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  SPEAKER_03: thinking to where those thoughts be happening.
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  SPEAKER_03: Simple shift of attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: Awareness is what pays attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: Awareness and attention are not the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your awareness can pay attention to this cup.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or it can pay attention to that window.
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  SPEAKER_01: Same awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Attention moves.
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  SPEAKER_01: Attention is always moving.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're paying attention to your cat,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then you're paying attention to your breakfast,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then you're paying attention to your cat again to keep it out of your breakfast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this goes on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Constant shifting of attention during daily life.
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  SPEAKER_03: Instead of shifting it about here and there, you want to
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  SPEAKER_01: open its orifice.
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  SPEAKER_01: To open the orifice of your gullet,
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  SPEAKER_03: you would go,
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  SPEAKER_03: So you want to do the same thing with your attention,
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  SPEAKER_03: like a big yawn of it,
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  SPEAKER_03: so that it is no longer point-focused on the minute of life
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  SPEAKER_01: and the minute of
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  SPEAKER_01: the stories made of thought that you continuously tell yourself
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  SPEAKER_01: about what you are doing and how your life is going.
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  SPEAKER_01: For some people, these stories are in words.
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  SPEAKER_01: For some people, they're in pictures.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there are other forms also possible.
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  SPEAKER_03: Neither words nor pictures, but we don't have a word
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  SPEAKER_01: for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're in feelings, maybe, you'd call it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most people in this culture, it's in words.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tibetans are a bit more pictographic-oriented in how they think.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've never seen a Tibetan thinking in feelings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, I have.
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  SPEAKER_01: I knew one that did.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's also possible.
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  SPEAKER_01: But whatever it is you think in,
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  SPEAKER_01: and this teaching is if you're thinking in words, because that's the most common.
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  SPEAKER_01: You just translate it to your own thing, pictures or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: So as you continuously shift about your
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  SPEAKER_03: Tight-focused attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: It focuses on this and then on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It jumps around.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like an ADD, if you've got that, it just jumps faster.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the only difference.
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  SPEAKER_01: It still jumps around for normies.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you take that attention,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is the attention of your awareness,
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  SPEAKER_01: And you open it so it's not any longer point-focused on what you are thinking,
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  SPEAKER_01: but rather on the infinite,
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  SPEAKER_03: vast, sky-like
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  SPEAKER_03: ground of mind, sky of mind, great mother ocean of mind.
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  SPEAKER_03: Lots of different words you can call it,
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  SPEAKER_03: all of which have implications
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  SPEAKER_01: of infinite vastness and lack of minute.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the key.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is your key for entering Zogchen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Treksha, the meditation of Zogchen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your key is the ability to open the orifice of your The focus of your attention
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  SPEAKER_01: so
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  SPEAKER_01: that it's wide open onto the spaciousness in which the thoughts occur rather than
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  SPEAKER_01: the minute of the thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you understand this?
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the key point of all these teachings.
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  SPEAKER_01: If there are questions from out there or in here, ask them now only on this subject.
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  SPEAKER_01: I might've been clear enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's always possible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anything in here going on?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: In this state,
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  SPEAKER_03: what we call open awareness,
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  SPEAKER_01: you've opened the orifice of the attention of your awareness so far
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  SPEAKER_01: that it's almost gone as an orifice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything is free-flowing through.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no limitation on the size by a tunnel, even a big tunnel that you're looking through.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is real treacherous.
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  SPEAKER_03: So without that limitation,
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  SPEAKER_03: your awareness,
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  SPEAKER_03: without the interface of an orifice,
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  SPEAKER_01: is wide open into the vast spaciousness of mind itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Past thoughts are gone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Future thoughts didn't happen yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the current thoughts of this moment Having neither substance
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  SPEAKER_01: nor duration,
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  SPEAKER_01: leave not a ripple behind as they occur and disoccur.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the emptiness of sunyata,
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  SPEAKER_01: empty of phenomena,
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  SPEAKER_01: neither red, yellow, nor blue, neither round, square, nor oblong.
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  SPEAKER_01: Neither here nor there, above nor below, inside nor outside.
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  SPEAKER_01: Beyond concept.
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  SPEAKER_01: Beyond knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thinking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our little bitty will-o'-the-wisps that arise and vanish within this vastness,
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  SPEAKER_01: leaving no trace behind.
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  SPEAKER_01: To meditate in Trektra is to simply rest in open awareness
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  SPEAKER_01: on the cushion
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  SPEAKER_01: and
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  SPEAKER_01: to check in and see if your mind is still there off the cushion.
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  SPEAKER_01: This eventually causes a certainty which causes off the cushion and on the cushion
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  SPEAKER_01: to cease to feel different.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are both performed in open awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no, not performed, wrong word.
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  SPEAKER_01: They both occur in the same state of open awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Awareness at this moment in itself is quite ordinary.
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  SPEAKER_01: Open awareness is not some woo-woo thing that's going to sparkle and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, do drum beats and brass cymbals at you.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's absolutely just this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Without this being squished, when you take the binders off,
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  SPEAKER_03: When you look into yourself
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  SPEAKER_01: in this way nakedly without thinking about inside
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  SPEAKER_01: or outside,
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  SPEAKER_03: since there is only this pure awareness looking,
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  SPEAKER_03: there is a lucid clarity
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  SPEAKER_03: without there actually being an observer watching it.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you're not looking for some experience
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  SPEAKER_01: like a cat outside a mouse hole waiting
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  SPEAKER_01: to pounce when it happens.
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  SPEAKER_03: There it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's Treksha.
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  SPEAKER_01: Caught it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oops.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hold on.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're just relaxing into this state of ease
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  SPEAKER_03: where you're not trying to get perfect
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  SPEAKER_03: or make anything out of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Where it's completely ordinary and you can go about your day-to-day activities.
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  SPEAKER_03: With your awareness having its ability to point focus when necessary.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did I add this spice already or not?
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  SPEAKER_01: Point focus on spice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Point focus on smell of what you're cooking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because there's a need for point focus right
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  SPEAKER_03: here without losing
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  SPEAKER_03: The openness of awareness.
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  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't have to be a back and forth.
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  SPEAKER_03: Point focus won't bother the open awareness one whit.
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  SPEAKER_03: It never has.
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  SPEAKER_03: You've had that open awareness in the background going on.
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  SPEAKER_03: Since beginningless time, your point focus has never harmed it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nor has it harmed your point focus.
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  SPEAKER_03: So there's no need to throw anything away or change anything here.
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  SPEAKER_03: Simply to relax into what is without trying to friggin' fix it.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're always trying to fix it.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're not perfect enough.
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  SPEAKER_03: You could be taller, thinner, stronger,
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  SPEAKER_01: kinder, all the errs from who you think you are.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nah, you're fine.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just the way you are, leave it be.
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  SPEAKER_03: In this perfectly ordinary awareness, which is neither open nor closed, As those are extremes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Perhaps it is both open and closed since neither one bothers the other.
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  SPEAKER_03: There is only this pure observing
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  SPEAKER_03: But a lucid clarity without observer, separated from observing,
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  SPEAKER_01: separated from observed.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is the essence
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  SPEAKER_01: of one taste.
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  SPEAKER_03: Me,
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  SPEAKER_03: drinking
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  SPEAKER_03: coffee.
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  SPEAKER_01: Coffee drinking me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Drinking me coffee.
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  SPEAKER_01: Coffee me drinking.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: I made a coffee anyway.
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  SPEAKER_01: You guys have noticed that.
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  SPEAKER_03: This awareness which is empty and immaculately pure is not
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  SPEAKER_01: being created
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  SPEAKER_01: or supported by anything whatsoever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even if you've never seen it, this awareness is in the bugs.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I doubt that they have noticed.
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  SPEAKER_03: This awareness is in your pets,
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  SPEAKER_03: your dogs, your cats, your whatever you keep as a pet, your fish.
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  SPEAKER_01: Equally, they haven't noticed it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They are, well, depending on the pet.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cats are sort of point-focused on whatever that individual cat is point-focused on.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of mine likes your food, and the other one wants to be petted.
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  SPEAKER_01: The first one will put up with petting if you're feeding it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Individuals, individual personalities, individual nam talk.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, animals have nam talk, they're just not in English.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cats think in cat.
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  SPEAKER_01: Possums think in pictures.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can't talk to a possum if you can't think in pictures.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're projective telepaths.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you've ever tried to hold a conversation with them,
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  SPEAKER_01: it is possible you just have to shout telepathically.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most animals, even bugs have nam talk.
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  SPEAKER_01: If something that eats bugs comes towards it, it runs.
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  SPEAKER_01: It tries to get away.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think they think in feelings.
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  SPEAKER_01: My memories of being a bug are kind of fuzzy because I may have been a fuzzy bug.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: No self-image.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just the greenness and the taste of the leaves.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was a leaf-eating bug.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like in big bites.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think I was a reasonably sized bug because,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh no, they would have looked like big bites to me, whatever size I was.
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  SPEAKER_01: Huh.
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  SPEAKER_01: I still don't know what kind of bug.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I thought in feelings.
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  SPEAKER_03: Certain tastes I thought about.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sensations.
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  SPEAKER_03: Those that weren't happening
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  SPEAKER_01: in the moment,
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  SPEAKER_01: I could still imagine and want them to happen and go to a different leaf
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  SPEAKER_01: that I thought would taste better.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we've all got the awareness.
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  SPEAKER_03: We've all got the...
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  SPEAKER_01: Primordial purity,
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  SPEAKER_01: Buddha nature,
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  SPEAKER_01: the vast openness of Dharmakaya nature of mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: with its clear light nature,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is vital and alive, lucid and luminous, Sambhogakaya nature of mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: And because it is light,
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  SPEAKER_03: it sparkles.
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  SPEAKER_03: Awareness may be Seen as light, that's maybe
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  SPEAKER_01: an analogy and maybe a reality.
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  SPEAKER_01: Photons seem to duck photon splinters when given a choice.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been reading some particle physics.
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  SPEAKER_01: So just like in Mahamudra, is the mind the sky or is the mind like the sky?
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  SPEAKER_01: Ancient debate.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Christians have how many angels dance on the head of a pin?
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a galugpa one that will come to me eventually.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh yes, the galugpa one is, is there a real relative reality or not?
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  SPEAKER_01: These are all much fun in atti yoga.
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  SPEAKER_01: That one used to make Lama Yeshe crack up and almost fall over.
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  SPEAKER_03: What I want you to realize is that this essence which
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  SPEAKER_03: there is that which is learned
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  SPEAKER_03: but that is simply the noticing of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Noticing the nature of the infinite emptiness of awareness as itself
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  SPEAKER_03: with all its Creativity as the sparkle of phenomena which thoughts interpret
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  SPEAKER_03: as this's and that's.
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  SPEAKER_03: To notice this is the key to liberating yourself
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  SPEAKER_01: from suffering.
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  SPEAKER_01: To notice this is the key to liberating all beings from suffering.
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  SPEAKER_03: All Dzogchen is about Is
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  SPEAKER_03: noticing this and then habituating yourself
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  SPEAKER_03: to this
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  SPEAKER_01: noticement until it goes without saying.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's nothing left to be said.
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  SPEAKER_01: There, that was full Zogchen, three words.
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  SPEAKER_01: Relax, let go, leave it be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Another three words.
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  SPEAKER_01: Humans can remember three things at once.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything else needs notes or active memorization.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dharmakaya, Sambhogakaya, Nirmanakaya.
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  SPEAKER_01: Within this intrinsic awareness,
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  SPEAKER_01: this natural state,
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  SPEAKER_01: the three jewels,
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  SPEAKER_01: Dharmakaya, Sambhogakaya, Numanakaya, are inseparable and fully present as one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Don't separate the infinite open vastness of mind.
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  SPEAKER_03: Somebody needs to be let in.
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  SPEAKER_03: Don't separate that infinite open vastness of mind.
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  SPEAKER_03: From its vitality,
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  SPEAKER_03: its clear light nature,
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  SPEAKER_03: nor from its creativity,
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  SPEAKER_03: which is the rainbow sparkle of creation which your thoughts will interpret and name
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  SPEAKER_03: as all the this's and that that you experience.
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  SPEAKER_03: And by whichever habit you have, You will be pleased or displeased with what you think you see.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you are displeased with it, you will attempt to fix it.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you are pleased with it, you will attempt
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  SPEAKER_01: to keep it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Retain it for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe share it with a few close friends.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you make things what they are.
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  SPEAKER_03: Did I ever tell you guys about the cave and the beans?
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  SPEAKER_01: Here?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm not going to tell the cave and the beans story again,
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  SPEAKER_01: but that's an example of you make things what you think they are.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're caught up back to nine.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to do a bit of pointing out because everything else in this text is based on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have to let go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Relax
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  SPEAKER_01: your attention to this's and that's.
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  SPEAKER_01: Allowing it to open
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  SPEAKER_01: into the infinite vast awake awareness of mind itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: And simply leave that there without trying to hang on to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Grasp it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anytime you try to grasp it,
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  SPEAKER_01: because your grasper as a homo sapien is probably made of words,
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  SPEAKER_01: you're going to talk to yourself about it to grasp it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when you do that, you squish it.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: Think of your own nature as a butterfly that landed on your palm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't grab.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you know that first hat,
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_03: a little kid,
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_03: sometimes a butterfly will land on them or something else pretty and they'll grab it
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: to take it and show mom and they'll bring mom a dead bug.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: You should be old enough to know
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: not to squish it.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: So chapter nine guys who want to catch up with all of this among the translators.
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  SPEAKER_03: When you are introduced in this way,
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_03: through this exceedingly powerful method for entering into practice,
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: you discover directly that your own immediate
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: self-awareness is just this
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: and nothing else.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Usually,
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: when we use the term among Westerners,
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: self-awareness, we don't mean something terribly good He's so self-aware of himself.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: We mean self-focusedness a lot of times.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Or we mean he's self-aware enough not to make accidental insults.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's self-aware enough to understand cultural differences and not
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: to accidentally go,
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: oh my God, what are you eating, to someone from a different culture.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, have you ever met Lutefisk?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's Swedish.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: I prefer the meatballs.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that it has an inherent self-clarity which is entirely uncreated.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: You don't create or live up to or in any way need to support Or co,
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: or further, or keep spinning.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Your Buddha nature.
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  SPEAKER_03: This very open awareness.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Your Buddha nature isn't something all fancy that glows and, you know, has angels singing in it.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's day-to-day consciousness
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  SPEAKER_03: released from its girdle.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: To be just what it is, rather than what you're afraid it might be, or what you hope it will be.
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  SPEAKER_03: I
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: think one of the first steps in practicing
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Dzogchen is to give up self-perfection.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: And most people come to Dharma for purposes of self-perfection.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: I came because I had noticed that I was stone-crazy psychopath.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I liked killing people.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I kinda had a feeling something wasn't quite right.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: So I was gonna see if maybe these wise men in the
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: mountains knew something I didn't,
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: and it turns out they did.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: So most of us come to Dharma after we notice we're nuts.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: That we're somehow self-sabotaging,
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: crazy, however you want to pull it, dysfunctional, not working properly.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then we go on a journey of repairing ourselves through nundro and purifications
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: and then we go on a journey of becoming our yidim because our yidim is perfect.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: And then we get here and we put
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: down the baggage.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: And we give up trying to be perfect.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you are unwilling to give up trying to be perfect,
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: you should practice Kerim, Path of Accumulation.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: You're not ready for Zogchen.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: Because it does require you giving up your own promise of perfection.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Every day I'm getting better and better in every way.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_03: No, not at 70.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: Every day I am getting more and more decrepit in every way and I got to live with that.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: And eventually I will get to die with that.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: You know, anywhere after about 64, 65, it's downhill.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Up until then, you're still like going up, becoming more prime and more prime.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then like, okay, slide down.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: You can slow it down a little with breaks, but
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: you can't stop it.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: And it's going to happen to all of you that don't die first.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: Okay?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: The only alternative to getting old is dying.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's no other way out of it.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: So you might as well, while you're nice and young, decide that perfection is not what you want.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: It may be what the teenyboppers want of a lover.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: But did you really want a teenybopper?
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's just the politicians want teenyboppers, not a normal mature person.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: They want someone or several someones to love.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: And teenyboppers are just... Don't you remember when you were one?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Really.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: Your own immediate self-awareness is just this and nothing else.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: You do not have to fix
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: who you
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_03: are.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm having translators, yes.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_03: A teeny bopper is, they follow rock stars around and they're usually about 13 or 14.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_03: And they all want to have sex with rock stars, except it's all fantasy for them.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: And then if it gets real, they yell to mama.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're somewhat dangerous.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: They're all over the music system.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: And many of us were one.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry to all the musicians I tried to seduce at 13.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_03: But I wouldn't have told my mama, really.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're dangerous, but you know, some guys like them.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: But it confused my Georgian and my Spanish translator.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: That inherent self-clarity, which is entirely unfabricated.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't make it up.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to learn how to make it up.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you don't have to support it in any way.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that nice?
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_03: So relax, let go, kick back, go have a beer.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: How can you speak of not understanding the nature of mind when the nature
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_03: of mind is just you as you are in this very moment, right now, infinite.
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  SPEAKER_03: Neither open nor closed.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's just the moving focus.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Look at what does not change, does not move from beginningless time.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is who you really are and always have been.
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  SPEAKER_03: This self-clarity which is unfabricated.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: Moreover,
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_03: since you are meditating without finding anything there to meditate upon,
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: How can you say that your meditation isn't working well?
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's not supposed to do anything.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_03: Just sit there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Leave it be.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_03: Don't fix it.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: If your mind wants to jump around like a flea from point focus to point focus,
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_03: let it do that while relaxing.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_03: And leaving it be,
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: you will notice at some point that it's not two different minds,
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_03: the open awareness and the point focus.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: There is really not a separation between them.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: Both have existed from infinity to infinity.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: Both are the nature of mind.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: So why prefer the Dharmakaya to the Nirmanakaya?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_03: They are equal standing in the Sambhogakaya, which is the very vitality of the awareness itself.
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  SPEAKER_03: It has an inherent self-clarity, entirely unfabricated,
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: Since your own manifest intrinsic awareness is just this.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_03: How can you say you cannot find your own mind?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_03: The mind is just that which is thinking.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_03: The thinker.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_03: The feeler.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: The seeer.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: The doer.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: And yet, although you have searched for the thinker, how can you say that you do not find him?
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_03: He's right there, looking out from behind your own eyes.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: Channels come up from the heart, shaped like a cow's horn.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: Comes out your eyes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sees.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: The see-er, your awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right here.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Not right here.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Everywhere.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_03: That which is seen out there is not out there.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_03: That which is felt as the seer in here is not in here.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: There is no separation between the seen and the seer, for the seen creates the seer.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: You are made of your experiences.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's why you're not the same person you were when you were a 14-year-old genie bobber.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: This is real Zogchen again today.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_03: With respect to this, nowhere does there exist the one who is the cause of mental activity.
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  SPEAKER_03: There is no
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: do-er,
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: think-er, in any way separate from the thoughts.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: The thoughts create the thinker.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_03: You of this moment, what's your mood?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: Blah.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: What have you been thinking about?
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Personal drama, I suppose.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you're blah because you're not allowing yourself to be upset by it
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: because you're suppressing the upset.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you fell into the central direction of blah.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oops.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, don't worry about that.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's not this teaching.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Just letting you know.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: So your thoughts about personal drama.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_03: Which may or may not actually be happening and certainly is not happening
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: the way you think
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: it is.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, you're exaggerating.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you're not noticing some bits because they don't go in accord with your theory.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: And nobody is as simple as you're making them out to be.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: All of this is creating the you of this moment that is feeling blah.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: There isn't a you other than what you feel in the moment.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_03: There's not a you having the feeling,
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: sensations,
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: perceptions of this
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: moment separate or other than the feelings,
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: sensations, and perceptions of this moment.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're made of that.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: So currently you're made of personal drama with an attempt to suppress your feelings
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: about it, causing a slight blah depression feeling, sludgy.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's something you might be for a while, but that's just the moving, right?
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: Personal dramas come and go,
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: whether you suppress them or choose to do something else with them,
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: the feelings about them, that's today, not every day.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: You had to come out in public, so you decided to do that.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_03: Your open, vast awareness is completely unaffected by the moving.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_03: Nor is it going to bother the moving.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to let it rage like letting a two-year-old loose in a big grass field.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let it go.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Let it loose in the playground.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Worst it's going to do is skin a knee.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: Can you see that they are not separate?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: This is what's important.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're not a piece of taffy stretched in two directions.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Your infinite open awareness In its alive, lucid, luminous vitality sparkles.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_03: We call them rainbow sparkles.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_03: You interpret these flashing colors of lights and sounds
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: and textures and smells
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: and tastes As this is and that's,
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_03: describe them to yourself, explain them and create a new self out of it.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_03: Each moment.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: You don't actually have to do that, mind you.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a habit.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: In your own manifest intrinsic awareness,
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: which is just this, how can you say you cannot find your own mind?
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_03: The mind is just that which is thinking.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: And yet, although you have searched for the thinker, how can you say that you do not find it?
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: With respect to this, nowhere does there exist the one who is the cause of mental activity.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: And yet, since activity exists, how can you say that such activity does not arise?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Remember here to chuck out all your ethers and ors and substitute them with ands.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_03: Since merely allowing thoughts to settle into their own condition,
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: Even without trying to modify them in any way is sufficient.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: When you have a thought,
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: you tend to lick it,
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_03: grasp it, explain it, embroider it, further it.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_03: You do things to it.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Usually what you do to it depends on how you feel about that thought.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: Feelings often ride the thoughts.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_03: So you don't have to do that.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Other times when you have a thought,
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: let's see, you think of strangling kittens, and that's a very bad thought.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody thinks that's a bad thought.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to think that, do you?
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_03: So that's how people end up strangling kittens.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: They try to force it down so hard that it pops up everywhere until they just do it
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_03: to get it out of their head, which doesn't work.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: Rather, it's like, oh,
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: that's one of those damn stupid things that goes by when you try to think of what is
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: the worst thought you could think.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's the one that comes to me.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's got some worst thought that they don't want to think, and you suppress them.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then you've got the thoughts that you Think are real.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like any personal drama you're having, you probably think it's exactly the way you think it is.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: Don't we, sweetie?
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_03: Every time.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_03: And how about this really new idea?
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_03: When you have a thought, leave it alone.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_03: Don't embroider it, support it, make new thoughts around it.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_03: And don't suppress it either.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_03: Just leave it be as it is.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's got no substance.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_03: If it did, you could sit on the thought of a chair.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_03: And it's got no duration.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: If it did, you could bring back and show me one of last Tuesday morning's thoughts at 8.04 a.m.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_03: Anybody got last Tuesday's thought at 8.04 a.m. for me?
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, see?
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: So without duration or substance, they can't bother you.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: The only way they bother you is when you think they're real.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Thoughts aren't real.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: And yet we constantly fall into believing what we're thinking.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_03: Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_03: The internet is just as man-made.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_03: It is a reflection of Homo sapiens.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's just as unreliable as your own thought process.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't believe everything you read on the internet,
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: and God,
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you don't,
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: there's some weird shit out there,
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: in religion,
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: in medicine, in politics,
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_03: then you shouldn't believe everything you think either.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's just as weird, if not weirder.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: I dare you all.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: Go take 10 minutes alone somewhere,
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: set a timer and say everything you think out loud for 10 minutes.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_03: I dare you.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: You will discover just how
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: silly your own thoughts actually are.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: And there'll be reruns after three minutes.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_03: With respect to this,
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_03: nowhere does there exist one who is the cause, the doer of mental activity.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: You cannot find a thinker.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_03: Have a thought, pick a thought, any thought.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm thinking of a persimmon.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: First, where is it?
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: Second,
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_03: is there someone, entity, thinking that?
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_03: When you think singly and wholly of a persimmon,
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: how are you different than when you think singly and wholly of a black dog?
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: I feel the change.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_03: Subtle, but there is change.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_03: There is no entity there doing the thinking.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_03: And yet,
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_03: since activity exists,
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_03: how mental activity,
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: thoughts, also deeds, how can you say that such activity does not arise?
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_03: Since merely allowing thoughts to settle in their own condition
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_03: without modifying them in any way is sufficient,
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: how can you say that you are not able to remain in a calm state?
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's your thoughts that upset you.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: Suppressing them will just make you suppressed and depressed
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: and they come out your ears eventually.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_03: If you're happy, it's because you're thinking happy thoughts.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: Something gave you some happy thoughts.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_03: If you're upset,
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_03: worried about the future, anxious, it's because you're thinking anxious thoughts.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_03: They lose their power over you
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_03: when you see that there is both no thought and no one
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_03: to be wanked around by thought.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_03: For most people,
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: a ring in their nose like a bull And their thoughts have the rope and they are led
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: through life by that.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_03: You do not have to succumb to that.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_03: Since allowing the thoughts to be just as they are without trying to do anything
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_03: about them is sufficient.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: How can you say that you are not able to do anything with regard to them?
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: You're upset because you can't stop them.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: They bother you.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Milarepa's poem to Patumpum.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just giving you a part of it here.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: Milarepa tells her to meditate bottomlessly like the ocean,
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: stably like the mountain, and openly like the sky.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: She comes back and says, when I meditate with the stability of a mountain, it is good.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: But then all the critters and things that run about on the mountainside bother me.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: When I meditate bottomless like the ocean, it is good.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: But the waves arise in the ocean into shore and they bother me.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: When I meditate with my mind open like the sky, it is good.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: But thoughts arise in my mind and they bother me.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: And Milarepa answered back to her.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: The mountain.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: The creatures on it are simply an aspect of the mountain.
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  SPEAKER_01: All mountains support critters.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: The sea.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: The ocean has waves.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: But the waves are made of ocean.
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  SPEAKER_01: They never leave the ocean.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_01: They have never been anything other than the ocean.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: They arise in the ocean and they go to rest in the ocean.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, they do not bother the ocean.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_01: When you rest with your mind like the sky, the sky is wide and open.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: When breezes and clouds blow through the sky, they are part of the sky.
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  SPEAKER_01: They never leave the sky.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_01: They arise in the sky.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: They go to rest in the sky.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: They were never other than sky.
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  SPEAKER_01: They do not bother the sky.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_03: Since clarity,
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_03: awareness,
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_03: and emptiness are inseparable and are spontaneously self-perfected,
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_03: How can you say that nothing is accomplished
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_01: by your practice?
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_03: Since intrinsic awareness is self-originated and spontaneously self-perfected
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_03: without any antecedent causes or conditions.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: Always been there, always will be.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_03: How can you say that
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: you are not able to accomplish anything by your efforts?
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: This was one of Lama Wanda's favorite chapters.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Since the arising of discursive thought
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: and their being liberated occur simultaneously,
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: how can you say that you are unable to apply an antidote?
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: Since your own immediate awareness is just this,
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: How can you say that you do not know anything with regard to it?
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: That was chapter nine.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: Do we have questions?
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: This is real Zogchen.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: This is not how to Zogchen, Zogchen Nundro, all of the methods of entering Zogchen.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is real Dzogchen,
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: the real practice of real Dzogchen,
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: which is not a practice because you don't do
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_03: anything to it.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_03: Questions out there or in here?
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise we have questions on the internet.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'll take some internet questions while people in here think.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: Can you explain the infinite part of the awareness looking at itself?
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: The way infinity was explained to me in third grade geometry class was
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: by my teacher taking a chalk.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: We had a blackboard at one end of the room with windows at the side and he drew a ray.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: A little dot and then a line
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_03: coming out from it.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_03: And he drew it all across the blackboard and across the wall.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_03: And then he threw the chalk out the window.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_03: He says, and it keeps on going forever.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_03: To explain infinity to a bunch of third graders.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_03: I thought that was very good.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: That's the infinite.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_03: Except instead of being a ray, which is a line which is infinite in one direction,
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: It is beyond a solid.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: It is a nine dimensional tesseract infinite in all directions.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_03: There are no limits.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: Look, limits are made of thought.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_03: You cannot encompass the mind with thought.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_03: Thoughts occur in the mind.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: They are the sparkle of the luminous, lucid, Clear light nature of the infinite emptiness.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_03: Thoughts, feelings, perceptions, sensations, phenomena.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_03: That sparkle cannot encompass the mind for it is the mind's own sparkle.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_03: Another one.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's also, yes,
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_02: there's also a question about the clear light of Dharmakaya and whether
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: or not it's like physical light or how do we understand it?
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_03: So this has to do with language and words.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure what it is in Sanskrit and the derivatives,
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: but in Tibetan, the word for awareness is Rigpa.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: The one who sees.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_03: The seer, rig.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_03: Nga korang rigsong.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_03: I saw him yesterday.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_03: Simple verb, to see, rig.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_03: Pa is a suffix added to that means doer.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um...
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_03: So Rigpa is literally the seer.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_03: It is light by which the seer sees.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, if there were no light, the seer, you looking out from behind your own eyes, would not see.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_03: Light is required for seeing to occur.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_03: So Rigpa
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_03: What is required for feeling to occur?
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: For perception to occur,
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: which is perception is defined as a clump of thoughts, feelings, and sensations.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_03: Awareness.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_03: Aliveness.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_03: A certain element of vitality,
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_03: awakeness,
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_03: is necessary for the feeler,
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: the perceiver of perceptions, since perceptions is the whole clump,
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_03: to perceive.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_03: If it were dead, it wouldn't perceive.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_03: If it were a big old nuttin', it wouldn't perceive.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like my coffee cup presumably is not perceiving me picking it up.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think there's anybody in it.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't put anybody in there.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate it.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_02: Just saying.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_03: So when we say clear light, we mean transparent light.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_03: So this is a clump between my hands.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_03: Imagine a sphere between my hands.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_03: It contains clear light, transparent light.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_03: Nothing you see there.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_03: I think somebody's coming to
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: the door again.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: So assume that that hand is still there.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't have three of them.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_03: When I place an object in the transparent light, you see it.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_03: If there were no transparent light between my hands,
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_03: if I was holding a sphere of
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_01: absolute darkness and I placed an object in it,
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_01: it would vanish.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: You'd still just see the sphere of absolute darkness.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_03: So this is clear light, transparent light.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_03: There's nothing to it.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_03: But it is the light by which you are able to see everything you see.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_03: Tibetans are a very visual culture.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: I do believe a lot of them do think in pictures.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_03: So the clear light nature of the Dharmakaya,
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_03: which
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: is inherent, intrinsic to the
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_03: Dharmakaya, it simply means that it's alive.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_03: It is capable of feeling.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_03: This vast emptiness is capable of perception.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's alive.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's vital.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_03: This vitality of it is called Sambhogakaya.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: This is where the gods are born, the law, the archetypes, I sometimes call them.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_03: Some of them are archetypes,
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_03: some of them are sadduck, but this is where we create them, the archetypes.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_03: In our vitality, in our aliveness, we have creativity.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_03: Now that creativity manifests as nirmanakaya, the sparkle of the clear light.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_03: There's still nothing really to see here, but there is shapes and color.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_03: Color, sparkle, something moving.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_03: You see a movement.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's what sparkle means.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_03: Sparkle, shimmer, moving clear light.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_03: You will take that
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_03: And according to your group karma and individual karma,
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: interpret it as cushions, table,
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: screens,
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_03: window shades,
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_03: which if you were a moth,
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_03: you would not interpret it as such.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_03: You might interpret it as food, housing,
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_03: nest building material,
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_03: if you were a mouse.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_03: Do you see how that changes according to the group karma?
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_03: You happen to be running homo sapien karma.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: You happen to be running the homo sapien karma of New Orleans, which is fairly complex.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's got some pretty serious digpa in its history.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it's got some pretty cool gaywa in its history.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's mixed like most places.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_01: The United States has been running some pretty bad karma for a long time,
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: as in the massacre of the Indians.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_01: And sort of wondering when that was going to come back on them.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just waiting for the ice to start busting Native Americans.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_03: They've taken a few, but they got away again.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_01: They've done it before, I'm sure they can do it again.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: Most every nation has some bad karma on it.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: On account of people having ignorance.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: Ignorance is not lack of knowledge.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_01: Ignorance is kinks and obscurations that make you act certain ways that are nonproductive.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not going there right now.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_03: Other questions?
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_02: What advantages can we derive from RIGPA for our lives?
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_02: Can we become independent of all problems like those that concern health or money?
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_03: You can become
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm looking at the great masters I have known.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: You can become unbothered by these problems.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_03: That doesn't mean manifestations of karma won't occur.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_03: If you can sit there and let it do that
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_01: without fretting, That's hard.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually,
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_01: so I have been told the display will complete itself.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_01: I have not done those practices yet that would accelerate that.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_03: What I am noticing personally
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_03: Is that one's fretting about what will be is
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_01: much less, or mine is.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_01: I just recently had a bad x-ray
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: that insisted I go get a CAT scan
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: and see what this really was, yadda yadda.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't feel frettish about it.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_03: It was either gonna kill me or it wasn't.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_01: As it turns out, it's not a problem, at least not at this time.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of those keep an eye on it in case it does something, which we all have at this age.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_03: So my experience has been the same shit happens.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_03: I had a bad mammogram about 15 years ago, and man did I fret.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_03: And this time, no fret.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: All right, I'll make the appointment.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_01: A minor grump around having to make an appointment during my very short holiday at home.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_03: So that's my experience.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_03: Shit still happens.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_03: You're still gonna die.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_03: You're still gonna have money problems.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_03: Occasionally, you're gonna fret about money, but it doesn't last.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_03: You fret about it when you count it and you notice you spend too much once again.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_01: Ah shit, I'm not within budget.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_01: So you fret for a few minutes and then you go on to something else.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_01: Decide to try to stay better in budget.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_03: So that's my experience.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_03: Does that answer your question?
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_03: It just doesn't have the weight it once did, Samsara.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, I know I could, I mean, I can see my death coming.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm almost 75 for shit's sake.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_03: My family tends to make it to the low 80s.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_03: Genetics.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so right now it's just waiting to find out what's gonna kill me.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it'll be the cops.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it'll be a disease.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it'll be a bus running me over or one of those Amsterdam bicycles if I'm not careful.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_03: Who knows?
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_03: Kind of fun waiting to see, but it's not a fret.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_03: And that's his best answer I can give you.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_03: Keep practicing.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_03: It is worth it.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_03: God, I used to fret.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my God, I used to fret about shit.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: But why?
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: It had no effect on the shit.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_03: So why fret?
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_03: Total waste of energy.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, question here.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I have ADHD and I'm on a decent amount of Adderall to be able to kind of shift
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_00: the gears of my amount of awareness from being hyper-focused
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_00: into something versus not being able to focus on anything at all.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_00: And if that's kind of the goal of practice in a lot of ways, then how much is this a lubricant?
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Not the same as ADD.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_03: ADD, you're not focused on anything because you do point focus, it just moves too fast.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Focus, focus, focus, focus, focus, focus, where was I?
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Focus, focus, focus, focus, focus, right?
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's how it feels
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_00: like when you don't take the Adderall?
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, except when I'm,
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_00: locked into something completely,
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_00: whether I'm on it or not, and then everything else disappears.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you have the hyper-focus kind.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_03: So...
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_03: Do you take Adderall in such a way that you have 24-7 effect from it?
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_00: I've tended to take it on days when I'm supposed to be at work or I need
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_00: to accomplish things that I don't otherwise want to do.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_03: Fair enough.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_03: May I recommend that you try practice when your system is clear of Adderall and see
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_03: if it's easier?
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_01: I have hyperfocus.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have the scattered focus.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm autistic with hyperfocus.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_01: I could tell you about them dinosaurs forever.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Except for me, it isn't dinosaurs, but never mind.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's Dharma, aren't you lucky?
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_03: It might be easier
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_03: to let go of point focus when it's moving really fast.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_03: Since you can't keep it on anything,
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_03: it might be easier to relax if you don't have anything to hyper on.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_01: So stay away from your subject of interest when you're going to try this without the Adderall.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then try it with the Adderall and see if it's easier.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're all so different, us folks with brain farts.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what it got called in my childhood.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, you got brain farts.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_01: You're throwing another tizzy fit because somebody looked at you.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_03: So, see which works better.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_03: I have a feeling that for you,
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_03: just looking at you and how your aura is,
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_03: how things sit on you, that's going to be easier without.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_03: At which point it's still worthwhile,
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_03: after getting good at it without,
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: to be able to do it with.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because you will be using it as needed in your life.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Make sense?
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: And good question, because we've got a lot of neuroatypical folks in the Sangha out there.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_03: Next question.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_02: The next question is, you've spoken about not believing our thoughts.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_02: How do we deal with people around us who still believe in their thoughts?
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_02: Do we... We don't.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's their problem.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, you don't try to make them follow.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're not a proselytizer.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_01: We're not Christians.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_01: You work on your thoughts if their thoughts bother them enough at some point.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know my thoughts have.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's what got me into this.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, did I have crazy thoughts.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I still do.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_03: They just don't bother me.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_03: And they're actually no saner.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_03: Really.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_03: My thoughts are just as crazy as they've always been.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_03: They just can do that if they want.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_03: I don't care.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's like watching little kids play in the sandbox.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_03: As long as they don't kill each other, that's fine.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if I catch my thoughts,
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: planning an assassination,
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_01: I might want to look closely and see if it's really worth the effort.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_03: But that's not what they tend to do.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_02: Also a question about using practice and having complex PTSD at the same time.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_03: Deal with the PTSD with either Western
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_03: or Tibetan methods.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_03: What I found was that in order
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_01: with Tibetans,
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_01: many of whom have serious PTSD from what happened on the way out of Tibet,
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_01: I know of one who was able to totally release it practicing Dzogchen.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was really impressive.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_01: She's the other lineage holder for my teacher among the Tibetans.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_01: She's good.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_01: I will try to get her to do some teaching while I'm out there and get it recorded
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_01: and get it online.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_01: I know another Tibetan who could not practice due to PTSD.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_01: It left her with feelings of too much self-loathing.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_01: I know you say Tibetans don't get that, but sometimes the women do.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's the guys that don't.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, it left her with this, I am incapable of anything because my kid died.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't save the kids, so therefore I'm useless and have no capability.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_01: So we did EMDR.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_01: I got a specialist out there to work with the Tibetans.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_03: And we worked with a number of them.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_03: She suddenly found herself able to practice and at 65 did a full nundro.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_03: In about six months, her husband took the kids.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_03: She had a very sweet husband.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_03: So you can try it the Tibetan way, straight Zogchen.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_03: I have not found that Vajrasattva works for really intense PTSD.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_03: It works for getting the little craps out.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Zogchen works on really intense PTSD.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_01: It actually will clear it.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Or at least you don't mind the fact that it's there.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a trauma back there.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it can be there.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, not my problem.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_01: That was then.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_03: So I recommend you either try pure Zogchen that I've seen work.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_03: Or EMDR and then Zogchen.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_03: I believe EMDR might be faster.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't have it in the case of the first woman
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking of.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_03: Now, these are both women.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_01: I would assume guys are going to be about the same.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's basically a difference of an innie or an outie and the rest is conditioning.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: So, probably the same.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_01: The two examples I can think of that are very distinct,
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_01: one where EMDR was just perfect and one where it wasn't needed,
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_01: pure Zogchen was just perfect and both worked perfectly.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_03: So that's the best answer I can give.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_03: You can try either way.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_02: One of our Spanish viewers asks,
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_02: what effect does Yidam practice, such as chin raising or green Tara, have on karma?
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_02: Creates a lot of Gewa
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_01: to balance out your digpa.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_01: It does not make your digpa necessarily go away.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_03: But you have to realize your DIGPA's infinite.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_01: You've been living for infinite lives.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_01: You've been doing all sorts of shit.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_01: You've been a despot, or what do you call DIGPA?
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_02: Despot, yeah.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Despot.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_03: You've been a child abuser.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_03: You've been a butcher.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_01: You've been, like, just everything you could have been.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_01: You've been a ballerina.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_01: You've been everything you could have.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_01: You were a ballerina rather recently.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_03: I just saw that go by, like within five lives.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_03: You were quite good at it.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_03: So all of this
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_03: is karma.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's infinite, but...
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_03: The way it manifests is the most intense and the most recent manifests first.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_03: So I wouldn't worry about what's going to hit you in 527 lives.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_01: You've got time to do shit, to fix things by then.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_01: You might even get enlightened before you get there.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'd worry about what's going to hit you in this life and the next.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_03: So...
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_03: You can either do Dzogchen where, yeah,
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_01: it's going to hit you, but so what?
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the karma unfolding.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: You can watch it go.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, don't you like watching like shoot-em-up movies?
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_03: You know, adventure stories on TV?
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Strange movies like that or maybe like Avatar and,
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_03: where there's these conflicts and then they get resolved and
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_03: then interesting things happen to people.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_03: You watch these?
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so you're watching the display.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of like a show.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're watching it on, not quite disassociated like it's on TV.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_01: You're in it,
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_03: but it's just a show.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's just interpretations of sparkles.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's not all pretty, but yeah.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_03: So what you want to do,
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_03: what you do get from Yidim practice is not so much purification,
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_03: although there's some, but rather the manifestation of Gewa.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_03: Gewa, to describe it as a feeling or a sensation,
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_03: Is openness, the opposite of stress, open, relaxed, happy is how Gewa feels.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_03: When you create that feeling in yourself and others,
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_03: this causes it to get passed on through time and come back to you as a feeling.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, the story around it will occur to support its feeling.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_03: When you create digpa,
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_03: which is stress,
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_03: you create stress in yourself and others by your behavior,
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_03: that snowballs also and comes back as stressors,
• 1:23:50
  SPEAKER_03: anxieties,
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_03: both inner and outer,
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_03: and all sorts of
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_01: unpleasantness that you'd just rather not experience.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't make it out in the bardo,
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_03: you're going to be a kid again.
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Without most of your memories.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_01: They'll be like,
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_01: as most kids have,
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_01: there's a few glimpses, a few moments that they remember from past lives.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_01: And if you talk to them young enough, you know, they'll tell you about them.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_01: You talk to them when they're like three, two, as soon as they can talk.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Where were you before you were born, before you came here?
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_01: And they'll tell you.
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes it turns out to be somebody you knew.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_01: My stepkid I had known earlier in my life when I was around 19.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_01: And she had died and been reborn and I ended up with her mom.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, this happens.
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_03: Be aware of the karma you're creating in your environment.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_03: Don't add stress, tightness, shutdown.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_03: Add looseness,
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_03: happiness, relaxation whenever you can.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_03: Basically, the six parameters
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_01: are your guide.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Generosity of body, speech, and mind.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_01: I like generosity of mind.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Think the best of them.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Rather than interpreting what they just did,
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_01: like not giving you back your change as they're stealing it.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_01: Find an explanation that makes you happy about them.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's of body.
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_01: We want generosity.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_01: You want patience of body, speech, and mind.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_01: See how mind is really the most important for creating Gawa.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_01: You want morality of body, speech, and mind.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_01: You want meditation of body, speech, and mind.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_01: You want wisdom of body, speech, and mind.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Take these as your guidelines about Gewa and Digpa.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yidam practice creates a lot of Gewa.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_01: In and around you.
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_01: If done properly.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_01: There's always that.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_02: Have you heard about Douglas Harding's headless way and his meditation instruction
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_02: to look for your head?
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think it points to the same experience as Zogchen?
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't read it, so I cannot speak to it.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_03: I certainly would not say it that way to a Westerner,
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_03: as you really need to...
• 1:27:11
  SPEAKER_03: One of the first things a Westerner has to do to work with this Dharma is
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_03: to stop being caught in their head and drop to their heart.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_03: Otherwise, you'll...
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_03: Otherwise, I will send you to some nice Madhyamika classes, which are done with the head.
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_03: In the Galugpa lineage, and they're excellent.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_03: And they will go all the way to the same place Dzogchen does, so I'm told.
• 1:27:38
  SPEAKER_03: However, it's said that they take about 13 to 15 years.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_03: Tantra takes one life.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_01: You'll get there in this life.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_03: Dzogchen, what's to sweat about?
• 1:27:59
  SPEAKER_03: You're already there.
• 1:28:03
  SPEAKER_03: So what's the issue?
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_03: Next question.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_03: Let's see.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_02: If all phenomena are impermanent,
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_02: but intrinsic awareness has always been and always will be,
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_02: does this mean that intrinsic awareness is a non-phenomena?
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, you will do better to think of this in the terms used in Mahamudra.
• 1:28:38
  SPEAKER_01: Stillness always was and will be, it has never moved, it is not what moves.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_01: Moving is what moves, what is impermanence, what
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_03: is constructed, what is made.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_03: So phenomena is moving.
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_03: Intrinsic awareness.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Natural state of awareness, inherent awareness, does not move.
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_03: It is important in Mahamudra,
• 1:29:14
  SPEAKER_03: once you have learned
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sine without an object,
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_01: to become very clear on the difference between what moves and what does not.
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise,
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_01: you will spend Years,
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_01: as I have seen people do in Dzogchen,
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_01: where this is not taught till later in the practice, trying to stabilize the view.
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_03: A view is moving, changing.
• 1:29:51
  SPEAKER_03: They try to stabilize the feeling of natural mind.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_03: Feelings move.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_03: You can't stabilize a feeling.
• 1:30:01
  SPEAKER_03: They try to stabilize the perception of natural mind.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Perceptions move.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_03: Perceptions are made of sensations, thoughts, and feelings.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_03: Of course they move.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_03: I have known Dzogchenpas who have come very upset practicing Dzogchen for years.
• 1:30:23
  SPEAKER_03: I still can't stabilize the perception of Tawa.
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, well, of course you can't, dear.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_03: You're trying to stabilize the wrong thing.
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_03: Notice what is inherently stable.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have to make anything that isn't still hold still.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's Zogchen.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, they have practices in Mahamudra early on and we have Ruchen's later on for that.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_01: But apparently nobody taught them the Ruchen.
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_01: I would have preferred for them to learn it earlier before they wasted
• 1:31:01
  SPEAKER_01: that many years trying to stabilize a perception, but it probably wasn't wasted.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was life.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_03: Next question.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_03: We're going to run out of time fairly soon.
• 1:31:13
  SPEAKER_03: Do any of you in here have a question?
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, let me get you.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, I was wondering when we're talking about thoughts being like substanceless and
• 1:31:29
  SPEAKER_00: without duration,
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_00: how do they kind of accumulate into belief systems to the point
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_00: where you can do things like the Cave and the Bean story, like changing?
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_00: A belief system.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Repetition.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Repetition.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the very thought itself has neither substance nor duration.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_03: But if you think it often enough and believe it often enough with thinking about it
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_03: and believing it to be true, it will create itself as a belief system.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_03: The brain takes part in a lot of thinking, although the awareness is more in the heart.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_03: Only not exactly.
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_03: The feeling, say, the feeling part is here.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_03: But the actual thinking goes on in there.
• 1:32:24
  SPEAKER_03: Have you ever taken acid?
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so what acid does is it ups the electric gain.
• 1:32:32
  SPEAKER_03: It leaves open your neurotransmitter gates so that the electric impulse,
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_03: the little negative bit through chemical, is stronger.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_03: So instead of going in its usual grooves,
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_03: its usual pattern,
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_03: which is a habit pattern around through your brain, it jumps the rail.
• 1:32:56
  SPEAKER_03: And now it goes somewhere else that it hasn't been before, wherever it lands.
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_03: And this is why you have these different thoughts
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_01: on acid
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_01: that you wouldn't have off acid,
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_01: different perceptions,
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_01: because after all, perceptions are just how you explain your thoughts.
• 1:33:14
  SPEAKER_01: On acid, your sugar bowl has very clear fractals in it.
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_03: So you explain what your sugar,
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_03: that's just your mind thinking an explanation of the sense, the visual sense.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_03: The visual sense hasn't changed so much.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_03: The sugar looks the same.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_03: Your explanation of how it looks,
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_03: your mind jumped to track and now it's different, a different way.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_03: Does that answer your question?
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_03: How the brain works with thoughts.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_03: Now we say there are a lot of channels, form channels.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_03: This is the form chakra, which creates the form of the universe.
• 1:33:57
  SPEAKER_03: It interprets it here.
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_03: So the channels from your eyes and your sense organs go through here.
• 1:34:05
  SPEAKER_03: This is Tibetan, which creates a picture of what's around you.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_03: And then they go down through back here,
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_03: going around the side here,
• 1:34:16
  SPEAKER_03: down through back here,
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_03: where they come in down through the throat chakra where is added on,
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_03: I will repair it or I will leave it be, what you're going to do about it.
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_03: And also this is where thoughts get underlined by saying them out loud.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_03: And then they go down here where the feeling climbs
• 1:34:40
  SPEAKER_01: on and rides it.
• 1:34:44
  SPEAKER_01: This is chakra work, learning what the different chakras do, form, intent, and feeling.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_01: And life force is down at the Dantian on women.
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Interestingly enough, it's up here, behind here, in the
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_03: middle here on men.
• 1:35:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I have no idea if it moves or not on trans.
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'll have to take a look next time I'm with any of my tranny friends.
• 1:35:21
  I'll
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_03: have to take a look where mine is one of these days.
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_03: Does this answer your question?
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_03: If not, ask more.
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think partially,
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think what I want to understand is how,
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_00: like essentially, like how, How magic functions within this system?
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_00: How do those belief systems then go and change external reality,
• 1:35:49
  SPEAKER_00: not just your perceptions of that reality,
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_00: but other people's perceptions of that reality?
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I want you to pick something harmless in which you are not emotionally invested.
• 1:36:04
  SPEAKER_03: What do you pick?
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the beans from your own story are...
• 1:36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you don't live up in a cave with beans.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Pick something relevant in your life around here.
• 1:36:17
  SPEAKER_01: How about
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_03: whether or not, do you have a car?
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have an air gauge to check the tires that you keep in the glove compartment?
• 1:36:31
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, yeah.
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_03: No, you don't.
• 1:36:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have like a, it like fills the tires up and it'll automatically check what the PSI is.
• 1:36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that won't work.
• 1:36:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's too complex.
• 1:36:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was looking for a little thing we could vanish.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_00: I see.
• 1:36:47
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have a toy in your glove compartment?
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, I actually have some little like plastic thing.
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember where it came from.
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:36:55
  SPEAKER_03: No, you don't.
• 1:36:55
  Okay.
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's gone.
• 1:36:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and don't be looking in there.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_03: For a year.
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have any toys in there.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Just, you know, your manual and your tire thing.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_01: If that's small enough to be in the glove compartment and not the trunk.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_01: I always had this little pen shaped little gauge and check and then go to
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_01: the air machine at the gas station.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Try that.
• 1:37:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's unimportant.
• 1:37:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's not somewhere you look often.
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  SPEAKER_01: I presume you don't bother with your glove compartment much.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody ever does.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now you need to say out loud and tell this story around among your friends.
• 1:37:38
  SPEAKER_03: That you used to carry a little good luck toy in your glove compartment, but you lost it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so as we go about, you're looking for something to replace it.
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_03: But nothing's quite right.
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_03: But you have to get that belief.
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  SPEAKER_03: You have to say it out loud enough to get all your friends to believe
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  SPEAKER_03: that you no longer have it.
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  SPEAKER_01: As you also believe that you no longer have it.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_00: I see.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:38:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to need some help in this.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_01: You're not...
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think you've been doing this quite long enough to do something all by yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anybody in here is not to mention this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_01: You go along with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Out there, if you meet this guy,
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_03: go along with it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Don't queer it for him.
• 1:38:32
  SPEAKER_00: Got it.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:38:36
  SPEAKER_01: There are ways to really do some weird shit if you take something emotionally important.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've seen it done.
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:38:48
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, twiddle it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Then you'll see how magic works.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:38:57
  SPEAKER_03: And let's see.
• 1:39:02
  SPEAKER_03: What do we have here?
• 1:39:04
  SPEAKER_03: Come in.
• 1:39:04
  SPEAKER_03: Let's see what I want to look at.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not going into Tantra.
• 1:39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but not the Tantra one.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_00: So my question has to do with the issue of kind of stepping back too far into
• 1:39:26
  SPEAKER_00: the Absolute and missing out on the relative and the suffering of others
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_00: and becoming kind of impersonal as a result.
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, you have to watch out for that.
• 1:39:37
  SPEAKER_03: Which means you have to simultaneously with Dzogchen practice Bodhisitta.
• 1:39:47
  SPEAKER_03: How to practice Bodhisitta of the body outward basic is in six parameters.
• 1:39:59
  SPEAKER_03: Bodhisitta of the heart is best done using Lama Yeshe's Chinrezig Sadhana.
• 1:40:05
  SPEAKER_03: That and sometimes Tonglen are what I recommend most for people practicing Dzogchen
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_03: to keep that from fading so they don't lean to the left.
• 1:40:19
  SPEAKER_03: This is the middle way.
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  SPEAKER_03: When we come to the end of it,
• 1:40:27
  SPEAKER_03: it will be obvious that there is no such thing as sentient entities, singularly.
• 1:40:37
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is interacting, interpenetrating across time and space.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_01: The day you die depends on the flight of a butterfly in Borneo.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_03: There's no way to using logic and point philosophy
• 1:41:01
  SPEAKER_03: to figure out exactly how karma is going to come to pass.
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_03: So
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  SPEAKER_03: the ultimate bodhisitta where you see the inherent Buddha nature in all beings
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  SPEAKER_01: and that is what you are
• 1:41:33
  SPEAKER_01: when you finally let go of trying to keep an entity alive.
• 1:41:40
  SPEAKER_03: That doesn't happen easily.
• 1:41:43
  SPEAKER_03: So in the meantime,
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  SPEAKER_03: be careful of acts of kindness without permission.
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  SPEAKER_01: What you want and what I want are different enough that don't go rescuing me
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  SPEAKER_01: unless I tell you to.
• 1:42:11
  SPEAKER_01: I will return you the same favor.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's a Tibetan moral.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was a Tibetan doctor for a while,
• 1:42:16
  SPEAKER_01: not Tibetan system, Chinese system, but I worked with Tibetans.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you're not allowed to help them unless they ask you.
• 1:42:25
  SPEAKER_01: I sat outside my best friend's window for three days while she was bleeding
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  SPEAKER_01: to death, waiting for them to ask me, just being obviously around.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go for tea, go eat, come back, sit on the wall where she could see me do my mantra.
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  SPEAKER_01: Eventually,
• 1:42:45
  SPEAKER_01: after three days,
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_01: she asked for help and we got her into the hospital and blood is stored
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_01: in people there.
• 1:42:52
  SPEAKER_01: So we did a transfusion from me to her.
• 1:42:55
  SPEAKER_01: We have the same type.
• 1:42:57
  SPEAKER_01: And she's still alive many years later.
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_01: And we're still very close friends.
• 1:43:11
  SPEAKER_03: So be careful of assuming what the British used to call white
• 1:43:17
  SPEAKER_01: man's burden,
• 1:43:18
  SPEAKER_01: which destroyed so much in this world and killed so many.
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_01: Let's civilize the Indians by taking the children and putting them in schools.
• 1:43:29
  SPEAKER_01: What was the survival rate up in Canada?
• 1:43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they keep finding pits with dead babies in it.
• 1:43:41
  SPEAKER_03: You don't do that.
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_03: Wait for someone to ask you.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_03: You can say, oh, did you want some help with that?
• 1:43:52
  SPEAKER_03: In case they're shy.
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_03: But if they say no, thank you, you've got to let it be.
• 1:43:57
  SPEAKER_03: Even if they just took an overdose and they're stopping breathing,
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_03: you can, you know, wake them up and say, you're stopping breathing.
• 1:44:04
  SPEAKER_03: Do you want me to give you some Narcan?
• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:44:09
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:44:13
  SPEAKER_03: Choice is there.
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_03: Tibetan morals.
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_03: Not the same as Western, where they'll keep somebody alive whether they like it or not.
• 1:44:29
  SPEAKER_03: I think we might be done, Nyandu.
• 1:44:30
  SPEAKER_03: Anybody in here with a last?
• 1:44:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you all, you gotta go like this.
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm nearsighted.
• 1:44:43
  SPEAKER_00: Just because of the last question,
• 1:44:46
  SPEAKER_00: I at present have a friend who's been diagnosed with catatonia.
• 1:44:51
  SPEAKER_00: I believe it's neurological.
• 1:44:53
  SPEAKER_00: And just looking at how to be present with her and how
• 1:45:04
  SPEAKER_00: to be in that situation
• 1:45:08
  SPEAKER_00: the most helpful way.
• 1:45:11
  SPEAKER_01: Just love her.
• 1:45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_00: And to the responses of others who,
• 1:45:19
  SPEAKER_00: you know, go from, oh,
• 1:45:23
  SPEAKER_00: this can be fixed, which is degenerative and probably won't.
• 1:45:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so, but just be there.
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_03: Just be there and love her and sometimes ask if there's something practical needed.
• 1:45:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:45:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_03: Can I bring you some food or a treat or something?
• 1:45:40
  SPEAKER_03: Is there something you'd like
• 1:45:41
  SPEAKER_01: that you're not getting here?
• 1:45:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then depending on her condition, do you want to come out with me to whatever?
• 1:45:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's way deeper now.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's past that?
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:45:54
  SPEAKER_03: We did that for a while.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, just let her take the lead and love her.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_03: When someone's dying who's not a Buddhist...
• 1:46:05
  SPEAKER_03: You can't really shove it on them at the last moment.
• 1:46:07
  SPEAKER_01: All you can do is just love them.
• 1:46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Do your own practice so you can love them.
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_01: But, yeah.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I have a last question coming in from Martin's group, Spanish.
• 1:46:23
  SPEAKER_03: Each one creates his or her own reality.
• 1:46:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to do that one because it's important.
• 1:46:30
  SPEAKER_03: After a fashion.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_01: And this is the old debate,
• 1:46:37
  SPEAKER_01: is there a real relative reality or is there not a real relative reality?
• 1:46:45
  SPEAKER_01: Group karma will cause you to perceive certain things as a group.
• 1:46:52
  SPEAKER_03: Cars.
• 1:46:55
  SPEAKER_03: What you think and feel about that particular car
• 1:47:03
  SPEAKER_03: is Your creation.
• 1:47:05
  SPEAKER_03: So you see one of those Tesla trucks.
• 1:47:11
  SPEAKER_03: How do you think and feel about it?
• 1:47:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's you doing that.
• 1:47:17
  SPEAKER_01: You made that up.
• 1:47:20
  SPEAKER_01: But we all saw the same Tesla truck parked over there.
• 1:47:24
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I have a little Prius.
• 1:47:27
  SPEAKER_03: How do you think and feel about that?
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Prius is an electric hybrid.
• 1:47:35
  SPEAKER_03: See different, maybe, maybe not.
• 1:47:41
  SPEAKER_03: Question being,
• 1:47:45
  SPEAKER_03: we both see the same car,
• 1:47:49
  SPEAKER_03: but past that,
• 1:47:52
  SPEAKER_03: and that's our group karma, I wouldn't see that car if I were
• 1:47:57
  SPEAKER_01: a butterfly.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure what I would interpret that clump of color
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't think it would be car because I wouldn't have the concept car.
• 1:48:12
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe I think it was a funky bush that moves.
• 1:48:16
  SPEAKER_03: Because I do have the concept bush as a butterfly.
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_03: So, group karma has certain
• 1:48:32
  SPEAKER_03: sensations caused.
• 1:48:35
  SPEAKER_03: You will interpret them according to your belief systems and that makes your own reality.
• 1:48:45
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody loves me.
• 1:48:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just so lovable is a reality that some people experience.
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody hates me.
• 1:48:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just terrible is a reality that some people experience.
• 1:49:01
  SPEAKER_03: I can't make friends.
• 1:49:03
  SPEAKER_03: I can't do relationships.
• 1:49:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's somebody's reality.
• 1:49:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm thinking of real people I know.
• 1:49:11
  SPEAKER_03: Or the other one, you know, everybody wants me.
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's too much.
• 1:49:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's not my fault I look like this.
• 1:49:21
  SPEAKER_03: This is just how I look.
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe if I wear loose clothes, they'll stop chasing me by some young women.
• 1:49:31
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to be friends with people.
• 1:49:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want everyone to want to sleep
• 1:49:34
  SPEAKER_03: with me.
• 1:49:36
  SPEAKER_03: This is too much.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_03: Do you see how all of these realities are being created on top of kind of not much?
• 1:49:51
  SPEAKER_03: So yes, each one creates their own reality.
• 1:49:57
  SPEAKER_03: But do not take this to the extreme level of believing that
• 1:50:03
  SPEAKER_01: you made up
• 1:50:04
  SPEAKER_01: the truck coming towards you.
• 1:50:07
  SPEAKER_01: A young man in Nepal who was practicing this made that error.
• 1:50:13
  SPEAKER_01: I remember visiting him in the hospital.
• 1:50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Che, Che,
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sa, La, Go, Pa, Shubh.
• 1:50:47
  SPEAKER_03: We are complete for today.
• 1:51:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I meant to bring over a bunch of katas
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_01: to be given away.