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EP. 25 - More Than Naked: Body Confidence, Emotional Freedom & Becoming Yourself with Captain Amy · Hiking without a stitch

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Who first told you to cover up?
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: What if the truth does it hit the tooth all?
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to Hiking Without a Stitch.
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  SPEAKER_01: Get making a big time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll share my features, stories from the trail, conversations with others who have found freedom in the open air.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: How's it going guys?
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to Hiking Without a Stitch.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm John, your host, and today I'm joined by Captain Amy from Bear Bum Bodie, and she's gonna be calling in from her canal boat in England, and we're gonna have a discussion about her journey into naturism.
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  SPEAKER_01: We also speak about body confidence, emotional regulation, how to set boundaries, and stepping outside your comfort zone.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm really excited for you guys to listen to this uh episode because I think it's a really good one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh also, we're gonna just drop right into the conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to get a boat that was passing by behind her, so if it seems a little sudden that we just jump right in, that's why.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh so let's dive into this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's my conversation with Captain Amy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Enjoy Is there is there a lot of boat traffic?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, not no, not on here.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're really, it's very I'm on a very beautiful bit of canal which is which is owned by the National Trust, and the National Trust is all about conservation.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they've set up their hi! They've set up they've set up their way of doing licensing and things to actually make it really exclusive.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you can't be on this canal cruising unless you've got a 21-day license, which is like you have to be in and out, on on and off this canal, or you have to have a mooring in a marina.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so there's not many people.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a holiday boat.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it a holiday?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's like a a book booking the boat boat.
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  SPEAKER_00: So no, it's it's incredibly private and feels yeah, it's feels very, very nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um well I will I will introduce you right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um Amy, thank you for coming on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been really looking forward to this, you know, conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: So welcome and thank you for joining me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so honored and excited, and yeah, so ready to dive in to whatever you would like to dive into.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, to uh start us off, could you tell the listeners just a little bit about yourself and kind of where you're recording?
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess you just did, but kind of a recap.
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  SPEAKER_01: It looks like a beautiful day there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I am in England and I am on a canal, which is the River Way uh canal, which is the easiest way of describing it is if I wanted to get into the centre of London and I was to get a train, it's gonna take me about 45 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so very close to London, although it is rare that I go into London because I am addicted to nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I am on the back of my wide-beam canal boat, which is 60 foot long and 10 foot wide.
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  SPEAKER_00: So your listeners might have heard of narrow boats, potentially, those are they do what they say on the tin, which is they are narrow, they're six foot wide, mine is ten foot.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a little bit bigger and spacious, and it's extremely colourful, and it's called Absabotly Fabulous.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you do you have to have a special license to to operate a like a boat in the canals, or can can anyone just go grab one and do it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it's like RVs here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't need a license for an RV.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_01: So those huge RVs you see, those they're like class C's or Bs, I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you don't have to have a special license.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can just go out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Same with school buses.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can go buy a school bus and and live in a lot of as long as you have a driving license, you can do an RV.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, some so we have that as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um if it up to three and a half tons.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I have a motorhome or an RV, as it would be called, and it's three and yeah, it's three and a half tons.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's huge.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it feels massive, and uh yeah, I can drive that on my license.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Oh, that's so interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So before you were living on a boat, were you living, I'm I'm assuming, in like uh an apartment or house, like a traditional kind of house?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I was renting a house in a place called Winchester.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna assume most of your listeners are in the US.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most of them, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so yeah, Winchester, which is a really well, it's got it's it it is well known.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very h very, very historical place, big cathedral, and um yeah, magical place.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then 10 months before that, I was living in Bristol, and then 10 months before that, I was living in Froome, and 10 months before that, I was living in somewhere else.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the the the pattern was I really like to imagine that I'm settling, and then I go, oh no, I'm done, and I need to move again.
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  SPEAKER_00: So getting a boat and realizing like, okay, I'm ready to buy something, I want my home, I'm done with paying rent, and uh it made the most sense to get something that that moves and something that's more than a camper van or a motorhome.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's yeah, it's it's really, really suits me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I've been in this spot for about a week, week and a half, and I've loved it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's I mean, it is so stunning here, and uh, and then I can feel the the desire is emerging for movement again, which I imagine will be in the next like three days.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's always it always takes them by surprise.
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  SPEAKER_00: I take me by surprise because the moment will happen, and it's like it's a s it's it is like oh, oh I'm going, and I'm just untying and I'm going, and I haven't actually really thought about it other than like, oh, I've got all the needs met that I need, and then poof, I'm I'm moving, I'm untying and I'm going to the next place, which usually I don't necessarily know what it is because I haven't been there yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so fresh into boating, like nearly two years, that all the canals I'm going on are are brand new to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And rather than going, oh, I know what's down the canal, I know what's next, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's next.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my uh my Olivia's mom, my mother-in-law, she's from Bristol.
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  SPEAKER_01: So she was born in Bristol and came over here.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's like super cool, and I really like all your boating stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um Have you been to Bristol then?
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: I have not.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her her mom is going over there with her grandpa uh this year to go visit his family members there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Would you would you travel here?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, would you be open to traveling here?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, that would be super fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's so many good events.
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  SPEAKER_00: Come.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know, I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I need to plan it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Olivia and I would love to come out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, look, I'm gonna twist your arm a little bit because I'm putting on a nude venturous camp in either June or July.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm finalizing the dates, and it's gonna be a retreat slash personal development slash clothing optional.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you'd be you both be extremely welcome to come.
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  SPEAKER_00: And come and tell do a talk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Come and come and share your story.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that'd be super cool.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: And let me send you some info.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I I have a question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you always been like this comfortable with nudity and and being naked?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, definitely not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I where to go back to.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I've definitely had self-consciousness and I think an element of body dysmorphia.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not a huge amount.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know that people really, really struggle with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but definitely thinking that I'm bigger than I am.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's come, you know, that comes down so that is so true for so many people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, very much, very true for women, and I think also for men now, like so much, you know, how how we're perceiving our bodies and the lens that we're looking through of not good enoughness, basically, not thin enough, not big enough, not strong enough, um, which is all my um advertising and marketing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I acclimatised to getting more and more comfortable.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first memory I have is going to a drug and alcohol-free festival, one of my favourite ones called Buddha Field, which is in Somerset.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they had it's a nudity welcome event, although not many people are walking around naked, but they do have the sauna, a couple of sauna spaces where everyone's naked and hanging out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that this was 2013 when I went there and I was in the in the sauna, and it was one of those first moments of seeing a lot of naked bodies and being taken aback by that somewhat, um and mainly in the sense of just like, wow, how how amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what was so amazing for me was seeing all the different bodies, all the different types, shapes and sizes, and then also seeing people's comfortability in themselves and the relaxedness and the freedom and the joy, and people just hanging out and they're naked, and like and I eased into that relatively quickly, and and I say that like within a matter of 10 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, yeah, okay, I can do this, and uh it so it was very organic, and and actually within that same weekend, I was with a group of friends who are performers and doing all kinds of fire performing, and we actually did two or three naked fire shows within that sauna space.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we called it naked flame.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just like started a troupe uh there and then, and it went down really well.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was so fun, and yeah, I was completely naked spinning my fire hula hoop, and yeah, I felt a lot of a lot of well, it was very dark as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think that that definitely helped.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like well, it's really dark, you're only quite seeing, you know, there's a lot of eyes on me, but it is very dark, and yeah, there's there's light from the fire.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I can position myself in a way of the bits that I do feel a bit self-conscious about, I can, you know, man manage that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So at that time, that was yeah, that was a an expanding of my comfort zone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I was with, you know, incredible people, and let's let's face it, people that are comfortable getting naked are very cool people.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Within within those moments of the sauna and then being with your friends and doing the performing, like what shifted in how you saw your body and your own nudity?
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  SPEAKER_01: And kind of like, what do you think made that shift inside of you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, being being with the people that were so accepting of themselves seemingly, and also then that being a permission slip for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I I chose, I I did have a very good understanding at that time about mindset as well, and about self-talk, and and my words are have been for a very long time very intentional, and I'm very aware of and of uh how to harness an inner critic if there is one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so the combination of understanding the mechanism of my language internally, so focusing on what I do want, what I um being kind in my mind, and also regulating my nervous system.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when I feel pangs of anxiety, that to me, and even back then I knew that that's the signal to take a deep breath, you know, to to let myself feel that for a moment and allow it to settle, allow myself to settle and to to yeah, be be be kind.
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  SPEAKER_00: So company and being kind in my mind and emotional regulation.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, catching those those feelings of stress or anxiety that might be there and uh supporting myself through it.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: With regulating your own emotions, this is just a side thought.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um because a lot of people I feel haven't learned how to regulate their emotions or haven't they weren't brought up in you know households where it was taught to them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any tips for someone looking to learn how to regulate their emotions?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I would say that I I wasn't taught to regulate my emotions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um however, I Blumen did regulate my emotions because I I grew up in a household.
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  SPEAKER_00: My my mum is amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is a wonderful, loving, spacious mum, has always given me the space to make my own mistakes and figure stuff out, and very supportive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I did grow up with a very angry stepdad and uh like who made the environment really unpleasant.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh my parents also separated when so my mum and dad before that separated when I was about three, and I didn't grow out of sucking my thumb, and um I loved it so much sucking my thumb, and I would have a little smelly thing, I would actually call it my smelly, and um it was like the corner of a blanket, and I I would literally like make something smell nice and then cut it, cut it off whatever it was attached to, and then I'd sit and suck my thumb and and have that thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was only until I don't know, maybe 10 years ago, 15 years ago, when I realized I was regulating my nervous system because the first thing I would do when I would put my thumb in my mouth and smell the smelly, instantaneously, uh I would take a very full breath in through my nose.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and this sounds too simple in two bonkers.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's it is that though, like breath work, full, parasympathetic, engaging breaths.
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  SPEAKER_00: What that means is we have a sympathetic nervous system and a parasympathetic nervous system.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the sympathetic is stress, it's cortisol levels up high, it's fight, flight, freeze, and fawn response.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we've all heard of fight, flight, freeze.
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  SPEAKER_00: Fawn is the super sneaky one.
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  SPEAKER_00: So fawning is being super nice to appease, to acquiesce, and the majority of people are at it and they don't actually realize that they're they're in some kind of stress trauma response, and uh versus parasympathetic, which is relaxed, which is open, which is at ease.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so the fastest way of moving uh through an emotion th through emotions and and doing the emotional regulation is by taking a parasympathetic engaging breath, which is well, the the there's a few ways of of doing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is simply a full inhale breathing low and slow into the belly, so in through the nose and out through the mouth, which looks something like this when you're welcome to do it with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Making sure the shoulders are down and doing, you know, rounds of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the super, super, what could we call that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh the super duper version is you take a full inhale like we did, when you've reached your full capacity for getting air in, you then take another little bit of air in and then exhale.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is the fastest way to down regulate the nervous system.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that one looks like this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is very neuroscience-backed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Andrew Huberman, I learned that breath from Andrew Huberman, amazing podcaster, but definitely check him out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh to to look up the you know, the actual real emotional regulation effects of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is it is the most simple and most overlooked thing that we can do in any given moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I also would say what helps with emotional regulation is also being curious about emotions rather than judging it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for me to be able to know that emotion, so an emo an emotion is happening.
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  SPEAKER_00: This could be stress, grief, frustration, joy, ecstasy, despair, embarrassment, shame.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whatever it is, it is the breakdown of the word emotion is energy in motion.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's energy, it is sensation.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what we do is we judge it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We go, oh, there's sad.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm feeling sad.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: I can't feel sad.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't, I don't feel sad.
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  SPEAKER_00: I put I don't I push that down, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: This and this isn't even, you know, externalizing that we say that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's so quick, we'll feel a little pang of sadness and we'll reach for the thing that fills that gap.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that could be the alcohol, that could be food, that could be excessive working out, excessive working, avoiding.
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  SPEAKER_00: And most people are caught in avoiding feeling, which is completely understandable and completely valid, because if we don't have the knowing of how to process and/or a safe place, space to process, then yeah, it is it it is a lot, and how we talk to ourselves about it can feel like a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the first thing I would say though for anyone is breathe it, breathe in and feel, breathe and feel, just let yourself feel it and know that if it is grief and sadness or anger, whatever it is, breathing into it is going to help to if you imagine that you're like a fit, you're a fizzy, you're a bottle of something fizzy and you're shaking up, you're gonna be releasing some of that fizz gently by breathing into it and feeling it.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: That very that that is you fizzling it out.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's the first time I've used that analogy.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: That was cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cause yeah, I I I know that a lot of people don't uh don't have uh an outlet or or the instruction on how to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so I appreciate that.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, you're so welcome.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Going kind of going back to the festival you went to.
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  SPEAKER_01: You s you said something in the post that I really liked, and it was you called yourself Amy pre-captain, though becoming captain of your own life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I really related to that and love the imagery of like taking the wheels of life and being really intentional with the way that you're navigating it instead of just kind of, you know, floshing about.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean to you?
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  SPEAKER_01: That saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, being intentional with my life completely and utterly comes down to understanding language and the power of language and the power of self-inquiry.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, for example, um, if I was to say I don't wanna be alone anymore, what is the image that you create?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: And anyone listening, what is the image that you create in your mind about me when I say I don't want to be alone?
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  SPEAKER_00: What do you see, John, when I say that?
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  SPEAKER_00: What kind of image does it conjure up?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: About about myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: About me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So even I'm saying it.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm even saying I'm saying it, you're my friend, and I'm saying that to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: What do you, what's the image and the feeling that's you don't want to be you don't want to feel alone.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be alone anymore.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like to put my arm around you and like comfort you like it's cold, kind of, you know, kind of sheltering you, I guess.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, so you're wanting you're wanting to give me a solution, which is totally understandable.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um and you're it's it's it's a it's a it's an unpleasant it's a sad image, isn't it?
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's like if if if I was to, if you weren't there in person and you just heard somebody say, I don't want to be alone, I'm gonna, I'm gonna picture that person on their own, in a room, it's very dark, it's sad, there's nothing going on, you know?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Versus if I was to say, okay, that's what I don't want.
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  SPEAKER_00: What do I want?
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, hang on, that's what I don't want.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: What what what do I want?
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, I want breath.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Breath will always happen naturally, organically, when you ask someone what they want.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I want to I wanna have I wanna have friends and I wanna I wanna do hobbies where I make great friends with great people and I want to go on some dates and I want to find a partner who is really fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's the image that you see when I say that?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Is it different?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's light, it's expansive, it's it's like the world is just expanding around you, and and like every time you said something, you're like, oh, I want this, and this is what I want my life to look like.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was like poof, and it added to the image of like, you know.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Poof is an incredible way of describing that.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: And now I'm gonna blow your mind somewhat more.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because my mind gets blown about this all the time.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: So when I say abracadabra, what do you think of?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like the magician's hat and the bunny that they pulled out.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I picture.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, great.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: So m so magic, let's say.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think of magic.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, great.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: So abracadabra is Aramaic, which is an extremely old language, and it translates to with my word I create, or with my word, I influence.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason why I'm demonstrating the negations versus positivations is because what you're looking at is where you're gonna go.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: And what negations do, so that's I can't, I don't, I won't, I didn't, I haven't, it still points you at what you don't want.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: For example, if I say I can't be late, I can't I can't be late, what is the image?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm late.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm stressed, I'm running late, it's super shit, I haven't had time to have my breakfast, etc.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: etc.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, whereas, okay, hang on a minute, I can't I can't be late.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, if I can't be late, what what can I be?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: And when when people start doing this with their language and they start doing the work of of doing the shifting in their mind, switching it from negation, catching a negation, and turning it into a positivation, which is what I call that.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a moment to shift it into positivation thinking, right?
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, looking at where I want to go.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: It comes down to being intentional with your word, it comes down to understanding the mechanism of language and how that influences us.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because when I understand the power of words and I then change my words intentionally, what it does straight away is it influences my feeling straight away.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: And when I've influenced my feeling, aka my energy and motion, my emotion, then the action that I take is going to be completely different to if I'm using negations and therefore looking at where I don't want to go.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because when I'm looking at where I don't want to go, oh, I I don't have any money, ah, I don't like this person, um, people are always being mean to me, et cetera, et cetera.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at all the stuff that I don't want versus, ah, there are people that I want to spend my time with, but I can be kind to me.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I can I can be kinder to me, and then I'm gonna be open and receptive to other people being kind to me.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: And that is how intentional living happens, and I am and I will be as bold and obnoxious.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: I love that word to say that I have nailed it and I am a master of it, and it's been obsessionally passionate, wonderful experience since 2011 when I started learning this, and my life, how I live my life, is incredibly intentional.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you know when people say, Oh wow, that's so great, you're so lucky.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's like this is yeah, we we could call it luck, or we could call it I'm super intentional about what I want and what I'm calling in, and I'm super intentional about following what lights me up and following what feels good.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: And to bring it back into naturism, like being a naturist, being someone that enjoys being naked has been the recent following of that feeling and being really intentional with owning it and loving it and then learning about it and then sharing it.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it is so yeah, it's the most I have I have entered into the most free and most aligned version that I've been now, and I know it's gonna keep being more and more and more because I also really love challenging myself and leaning into that fear, you know.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: There was fear in posting my implied nudes and creating Bobam Boti.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I did not know I was stepping into a world of naturism when I decided maybe, and it was this it was maybe I'm gonna maybe I'm gonna make a an account.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then I took out that maybe and I went, okay, I'm gonna make an account.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm gonna make an account.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: That feels that feels edgy, and I did it.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: So what uh what was kind of the response when you first posted?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like were you like, ooh, I regret this, or or no, this is great.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like my own my own response.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: For your own response, and then kind of the uh the people that saw your account first.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: So it's been it was great.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was great.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: There was like one person that was really not nice about it, um, and that was a great that was a great teacher for me because it actually really helped me solidify like, well, why am I doing this?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I was able to do you know, take that, feel that that the attack of that, which it 100% was an attack and a projection of their fears, and I was able to to also look at okay, what is the gift in this for me?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: And the gift in it is for me in it for me is I get to have more clarity of my why, and um, and then you know, understand what people are projecting, and ultimately people are projecting the sexualization of nudity, and um yeah, rather than no, this this is what feels really good, and I and it feels very joyful for me to share this, and um and I'm following that, you know, and I trust me more than anybody else, you know.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: I absolutely fundamentally trust me more than anybody, and uh other than that, the responses have been lovely, and all people completely ignore it and and you know don't say anything.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: And regardless, it's it's always lovely to get people that resonate, right?
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: I've let go a while ago of the need to be seen.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: I really love being seen, I really love being heard, I really love being being met and celebrated in the same way that I see others and I hear others and I celebrate others in their shininess and their expressive self, whatever that is, that's in alignment for them.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't need it because I give that to myself, and when I do get that and when I am seen, I love I do love that.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's beautiful, and um, and that's that's what's happened with the community that's growing around Barbum Bothi, and it and it feels it feels great, and it really feels like I am I am at the I am at the start of this.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Since starting your account, what has been like what's pushed you most outside of your comfort zone?
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: That is a beautiful question.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I love to say expanded my comfort zone and um and and through choice, and what supports me to expand my comfort zone is the the trusting that yes, there can be a there can be some nervousness or fear, there's also joy.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: There's also like hee hee hee, I'm gonna do this.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, that sounds really fun, and oh, it's a bit edgy, and then I take a breath, and actually it transmits it will that fear will transmute into excitement.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Fear is excitement without the breath.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: So those moments that have been that the most, uh the first one that comes to mind is when I went up the tour, the Glastonbury tour, at sunrise, and me and my partner went to do the very miniature hike.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: It takes about 25 minutes, 20 minutes, 25 minutes to do the walk.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Do you do you know the Glastonbury Tour?
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: I do not.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna just ask you, like, what is that?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna I will share with you a picture, a few pictures, and then you can maybe edit into this if you want to.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um the Glastonbury Tour is a very historical site, and it is on the top of a hill, very pointy hill, and it's just right at the top, and it is a hub in Glastonbury for all kinds of bringing bringing people together, celebration, very related to druids, paganism, okay, witches, you know, and um very alternative as would be seen now.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: And on this particular morning, I was it was a Monday morning, and I was thinking there's no way that there's gonna be people up the top here.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I really wanted to do the challenge of going up naked and feet and you know, in a public space, essentially, and at the same time it's Glastonbury, so there's uh you know, people are doing weird, weird shit all the time in Glastonbury.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I felt I felt very relaxed ultimately, and it was very emotional.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was a very emotional experience because when I got to the top, there was actually quite a lot of people up at the top, and um that was also that was absolutely fine.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was the sunrise, the light streaming in, the sensation of being naked, and for me, the sensation of being naked is not only the feeling of what I'm feeling in the moment, it is the recognition in that moment of how much I've let go of in order to be a person who is in this moment standing here naked.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: That conditioning that I've let go of.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and and that is that is a absolutely elating, exhilarating.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I yeah, was felt a lot of emotion and and had some good tears and then just sat and enjoyed the feeling.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, moments are like, okay, I'm gonna put my clothes on, and you know, that urge that happens when being around people that aren't that are wearing clothes, yeah.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: And also it's um yeah, just like it's okay, I'm allowed, I'm allowed to be naked.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is a feeling for me, this is a this is a powerful thing for me to feel.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: And if anyone has a problem, of course, I'm gonna respect that um and put something on.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: But and I did feel very, yeah, I felt I felt comfortable enough there.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and then another one that comes to mind is cruising my boat uh early in the morning through Henleon Thames, which is a a uh a very, very well-known part of the river Thames, which is where they do the regatta.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's like this massive, very, very posh event uh every year.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that's so the the regatta the regatta wasn't happening at that time, um, but like the yeah, the it's a it's a proper town, like a big, a big town.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it was early in the morning, early enough, and then actually it started getting quite busy, and I was naked cruising my boat.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: And people, there's all kinds of reactions happening, and that was it was definitely an edge.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, what's really funny is that the the idea of taking off my clothes is the bit that's the most the the bit that has been the like oh but as soon as they're off, I just feel like so me.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: I feel so me.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: I am more me than I've ever been.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: And since I know my rights here in the UK, if I'm going about my business and I'm naked, that's legal.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm not, you know, wanting to cause harm and shock, that's perfectly legal.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: And that has been so empowering to learn that.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: That was I I heard I heard that right at the beginning of my nude venturous journey um by Helen Berryman when she was on the podcast of should I delete that?
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just a short clip of just explaining the legality.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: And once I heard that, I was like, right, I'm gonna walk up, I'm gonna be walking on the towpath, I'm gonna be going climbing trees.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and knowing like this is my this is my I'm I'm this is legal.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're legally allowed to do that.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's about sofering.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: Is that the same for you?
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um so here in Arizona, being naked out on like public lands is not technically legal by law.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's this gray area where if you're out in the middle of nowhere and no one sees you and no one complains, then there's not an issue.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: But if someone did complain and like the sheriff or law came and found you and arrested you and took you to court, you could get in some serious trouble for hiking around naked.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's um that's really well, go you.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Go you.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's uh how how is that for you that that is uh that is a reality there?
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: It definitely keeps me on my toes, and I'm always kind of aware in the back of my mind like where I'm going, I try and pick spots that are way, way far enough out that I'm not really gonna run into anyone else.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like regular people that just want to get out for like a Sunday stroll, they're not gonna be out where I'm at.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it's less likely to run into someone.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Do you uh so it's it's legal to walk around there, like public nudity in in the forest and stuff?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: Is there opportunity to be naked in nature there?
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean where I am right now, uh there's there's very few people that come by.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: And uh the other day I recorded a podcast for my a podcast episode for my podcast, and um I just walked, I mean I could see the spot where I was, and it was just quite quite incredible.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's cool.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I I actually took some I took my speaker and I I took my clothes off and I did a dance just to really get into my body with my clothes off.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, it was so amazing! And uh and then I sat down and I recorded and it was lush.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, for recording something like that, because I want to be uninterrupted, I want to be in a sec in a secluded place.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um but like and there's nude, there's nude beaches.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: I've actually never been to a nude beach.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um however, I have been compelled to start going to nude beaches in a true Amy fashion in that I want to document the experience.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's awesome.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I I'm in the British Naturism uh membership and and was in the forum the other day, and a new naturist guy was sharing his experience of going to a particular beach, and he said what he noticed is that it was full.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: There was loads of people.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: However, there were zero women.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: And why why is this?
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: Why are there why is there no women here?
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I am gonna go and I'm gonna I'm gonna investigate that.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to make a series where I'm going to nude beaches on my own as a as a woman, walking.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna wear a little microphone, so I'm just talking into the microphone.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: I might have so yeah, have my have my phone close to me, obviously not filming anything outside, um, but just having a way of of having a visual, you know, even if it's just my leg or whatever.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm still figuring out the details, but yeah, documenting, documenting what's happening.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: Am I approached?
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm approached, is it very is it welcome?
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: Is it unwanted?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um I, you know, what what is the experience?
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: If someone does approach me, how you know, because I I feel and I know that I'm very well practiced in communication, I'm very well practiced in boundaries, have I will have safety measures in place, which is a real shame to have to do that, but like my partner will be there either in the car very nearby or somewhere on the beach in his own space, just making sure.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I mean that's a public nude space, and I imagine that in the UK it's very different to in Europe because well, I don't know yet.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna figure it out.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna I'm gonna investigate.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, it feels like some investigative journalism actually.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I look forward to that.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and also maybe something amazing happens, which is I'm like, this is amazing, you know.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let's encourage more women to do this with other friends with friends, you know, maybe not go on your own if that's too much of a stretch or whatever, but yeah, I want to I want to feel what that is like, and um there is something I do feel curious about, which I'll share, which feels somewhat relevant, but also it's a completely different environment.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: However, there might be some crossover.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: So a few years ago I went to a a club night, and um I I very, very rarely ever do that, but I was with a friend and uh hanging out with my friend, having a dance, and then she went to the toilet, and we were surrounded, we were surrounded by men, and she went to the toilet, and the moment that she went to the toilet, the energy that I could feel, because I'm very sensitive to energy, of the men around, of the the gaze and the the desire and the like locking, I could just I could feel it so much.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, I'm really curious if that kind of thing also happens on a nude beach.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I'm just I've it really fun and exciting.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: And again, like anything I do, I'm following my joy.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: Do you my curiosity and let's see what happens.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have you had any like negative interactions like that?
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: And if if so, like how do you feel that you like if you're talking to another woman, explaining like this is how you handle this situation, this is what you need to worry about.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just because I do have female listeners that enjoy hiking naked and going to hot springs, and I think that's a common kind of fear and question that comes up a lot.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: So in the context of going to a closed event, um, and actually whether it's a nate whether it's a naked event or not, if I felt like I was being approached to just have a friendly conversation or approached because someone was like wanting to be interested in me romantically, uh something that I personally like to do to protect my own energy and time is if someone, if someone came and spoke spoke to me, and I did, I did have this at um a Naturist event, um they're very, very respectful, and I'd you know, can I can I talk?
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: They'll like be a little bit of talk and then can I sit down?
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then I would say something like, Yes, I'm I'm open to that.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: And my social battery, I've got about 10 minutes of chat in me.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Juicy, juicy, and the truth is, if I'm then energized by the conversation and the connection, then I then I can chat for longer if they want to chat for longer, and that ends up being like, oh no, I really like this person, I really want to chat to them.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, like protect I I really enjoy like saying something at the beginning because then I've already said said it, which then down the line it's like cool, I'm at my level of social, I'm I'm at my limit now.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for the conversation.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's super that's a great tip.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's really great.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: It really works for me.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll do that when you know, if even when a friend a friend calls or when I call.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I do this with other people as well, right?
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because I could ring even my mum and and say, Mum, I I'd love to share with you.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be um, I reckon about 10 minutes of me sharing what's been going on for me today, or whatever.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Or I'll always ask, like, when I start getting into sharing a lot, I always say, like, is this like have you got time, have you got capacity right now?
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I just it's it feels it's emotional hygiene, it's it's it's communication hygiene, and I'm a really big fan of it.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because I really like being in my own space and I really value my energy, and I I like to you know, you know how people ghost, you know how people are just ear people are just ear, we are in a frenzy of ghosting.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I don't ghost, I don't ghost, haven't ghosted, and um because I will tell someone directly if I'm if this is complete for me now.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh okay, this conversation is complete, it's complete.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna I'm gonna go do this now, thank you very much.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and or this was a really great connection, and this isn't how I'm feeling this anymore, or I'm I'm gonna be going this direction, and I really appreciate the time that we've spent.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: And actually, do you know the other top tip?
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Find something to appreciate that feels genuine and authentic.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I really appreciate that you came over and chatted to me.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome because um it's been really great to learn about you, and I would like to chat again with you later.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go for a nap now.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, genuine that this can all be very genuine, and um of course it's important that it's genuine.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's just it's the art of being human, the art of communication, really.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: I love I love teaching people about it, and I love doing it.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: And some people might think it's like cold or weird, and I'm okay with that because it means that my my energy is yeah, where I want it to be, which is high and not drained by staying in interactions that I don't want to be in.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: Do you uh kind of shifting to we're kind of towards the end of the episode?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do you um like what's what's the future hold for you?
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me about your podcast, what you have planned for bare bone bumbote, you know, anything you want to throw out there.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, uh, so cool.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the things that has become really apparent in the nature spaces that I've been to is that they're they are great and they're doing a really good job.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that's really surprised me is that there is a lot of alcohol at these events.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not anti-alcohol, however, I do perceive it as being like, okay, cool, we're unmasking with our clothing, but we're masking up with booze.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: And because I've spent a lot of time in sober spaces, drug and alcohol-free festivals and events, and had the most extraordinary times and been so high on life and connection and nature and doing workshops, it is it is what I feel that I can bring that is different that I haven't seen.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: I would I so hope there is it going on, and I'd so hope other people to do it because I'd also go to their like sober naturist events.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I I I really yeah, I'm gonna create an event.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's in the making.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm finalising the dates right now, and it's nude venturous.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: I might call it nude venturous camp, nude venturous retreat, and uh it's gonna be open to a hundred people.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: I've got some of the best facilitators on consent, communication play, clowning, and then how I work with people with transformational mindset coaching as well.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it will be clothing optional and naturism encouraged, naturism encouraged, clothing optional, yeah, and that everybody wherever you are at.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's I I was thinking about this the other day.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually like it's a space where naturist can feel free to be natress, and that will be more of the default setting.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, however, anyone else, wherever they're at, and their comfortability is completely welcome to be wherever they're at with absolutely no pressure.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because that is also the other thing I've seen at events is like there is this like pressure to really be nude, and I I want to be a bridge.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I want to create something that is more of a bridge, and and ultimately it's about trusting people's own autonomy and their own journey.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think it wouldn't make sense for somebody to come if they had no interest in being naked and exploring that, like, um, but I will have an application form process, a vetting process, a buddy system process as well, so that let's say somebody somebody comes and there is behavior that is not welcome, then they would be asked to leave, and their buddy also needs to leave with them.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, and a lot of people, well, various places do this, and or their buddy is the person that says, you know, you need to sort this out, this isn't okay, so that that's not actually on people at the event to be like you need to sort this out.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and also you um you have to already have a connection with people, so you're being vouched for and vet and vetted basically to grow it in a safe, safe held way.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that feels great.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then thank you.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'd love you, I'd love you and Olivia to to come along if it fits in with your schedule.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be so cool.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it would be so cool if we could make that happen.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: I will have to talk to her after this.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and uh what else?
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: So my podcast Get Royally Unfucked.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's super fun.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: That is a podcast where I have its audio version and also video and naked nature style.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: And what I'm really excited for that is getting guests and in the in the room, guests and sitting down and actually having conversations.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: So John, I would love to invite you and Olivia if she's open to it, and um, that we could do could do a naked pocket.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine going out somewhere in Arizona and setting up the cameras and then it'd be so cool.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: It'd be so cool.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: I would love that.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: So cool.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's a deal.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: Pinky promise.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: Pinky promise.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do you I love that?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: Do you so if if there's a takeaway from today's conversation that you want people to kind of you know walk away with, what would it be for you?
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um that every person is so much more powerful than they think.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that whatever it is that is their heart's desire that is there is totally possible.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: And breathing deeply, low and slow, taking on the mantra.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, if your listeners could take on the mantra of I breathe low and slow.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_02: I breathe low.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I breathe low and slow, I breathe low into the belly and slow.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: I would be so ecstatic to hear that people took that on and that that made a difference.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because when we feel the emotion bubbling or the fear bubbling, or we're gonna go to our first naked event, or we're in a situation that we realise, oh, this isn't actually feeling good, and I'm becoming overwhelmed.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: Take a low and slow breath.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because in that release, that fizzing out of that sensation is clarity and is relief, and also a much better capability, capacity for making a decision that is more in alignment and more in our heart.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, that's what I would want people to take away from this more than anything, and and that it's so simple.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_00: And another note that I find fascinating if we look at religion, which I'm not a religious person, however, I do believe at the core of all religions is the truth.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: Holy Spirit directly translates to the whole breath.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, interesting.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: Holy means whole, spirit is esprit, which means breath.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: The whole breath.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: When we use the whole breath, we breathe low and slow.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_00: That is our connection to ourself.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: If we perceive that sometimes I I get into that connection with myself, and it's and it's I'll call that God, I'll call that the universe, energy, my higher self, my inner being, whatever it is, the title of it is irrelevant.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, it's the it's the whole breath.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: That is our that is our anchor point to ourselves and to our heart and our soul.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I'm definitely gonna start using that because really, really like growing up and becoming a parent specifically, learning how to regulate my own emotions, um and and becoming more self-aware in those areas.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: I realized that like I didn't carry a lot of joy from my childhood into my adulthood and kind of lost that spark and like being self-aware around that.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: So hearing hearing your tips and like what you're saying for self-regulation and self-talk and joy, it really I find it really impactful, and I love all your posts and the way that you're showing up in you know the online world and for you know people to find because uh it takes people like you to really bring about change and kind of shift the future of you know, clothing optional recreation and and naturism really as a whole.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, John.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: I've got one invitation for you and your listeners to say the sentence out loud.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: I breathe low and slow, and then take a really slow breath and see how it lands in your body.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to do it?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: I breathe, yeah, yeah, let's do it.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: I breathe low and slow.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_00: Big breath in.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: And this time set again at 70% speed, so slowing it down.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: I breathe low and slow.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_00: Big breath.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: And now this is a subtle piece.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_00: So this time say it again nice and slow as you did, and then turn down the inflection that you did on the end.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: So you want I breathe low and slow.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: So now it goes eye breathe low and slow.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: I breathe low and slow.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_00: Nice big breath in.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_00: What's happening for you right now when you say?
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like really calm.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: Almost like sleepy, almost.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_00: Mmm.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that could be you tapping into your body and your body saying, I need sleep.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I get to sleep, and actually your body is going, Oh, yes.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh okay, the only other thing I wanted to say is that I also am running a monthly, a monthly, I'm gonna do it every single month.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, I take that pressure off of me.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do it next month, and then once I've done it next month, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna do it next month.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's a realistic way of doing it.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, side note.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm running a live panel called Naturally Curious Women.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a panel of female naturists, somewhere on a nudity naturism path, and um, yeah, and getting them on a call.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: The spaces for women to come and ask questions, be part of the conversation.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_00: My new website will have a section where the recordings are so people can come back.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: We've done one.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: Our next one is on October the 22nd, 7 p.m.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_00: UK time.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: And men are very welcome in this space as well.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, men are welcome.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, men are getting the algorithm of all the naturism worlds.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_00: I can imagine.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and also are much more tapped into the naturism world.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: So as long as they are yeah, respecting that this is for women and aimed at women, and that we want to get questions for women rather than many questions from the men, let's say.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they are so welcome to join and it's free, and yeah, it really lights them up.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: That definitely feels like my a big part of my bit of yeah, getting it's not even about getting more women into naturism, but just if if other women can have an experience where they are feeling what I'm feeling, then I really want to encourage that because I've felt so much freedom.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: I now look at my body in a very different way.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and yeah, I want I want as many people to get to experience that and feel more them in the way that I feel more me, if that is an outcome of that.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, no, most definitely, and I I feel the exact same way.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I started doing this in the podcast.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like because it's such an impressive feeling that you get from stripping everything off and losing the labels and losing the masks and just showing up as yourself without having to be or perform or do anything, is probably the most freeing, you know, almost spiritual moment that I've had being out in nature doing this.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I hope more people get into it.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: I want to zoom in very briefly on something you've just said.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: You said it's probably the most freeing thing and almost the most spiritual practice.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_00: So if you were to say that again and take out the probably and the almost, can you say that again?
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: This this is this is the most freeing and the most spiritual thing that I've ever experienced.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: Feels different, right?
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_00: When you take out the softening word.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_00: It is an ownership and a claiming of like this, yes.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 1:03:14
  unknown: Thank you.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's a whole other topic.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk, we'll we'll go into soft talk another time.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, one more thing, one more thing.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I also am launching my body confidence upgrade challenge, which is all about internal dialogue and the and the story that we tell ourselves and breaking down different language patterns and soft talk is a whole lesson on it.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, I don't know when you're putting this out, but over the next uh coup few weeks, I'm looking for 50 people to do it for free and be the original gangsters of the body confidence upgrade.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_00: So if you if you and you know, it's not gonna be it's gonna be it's gonna be low, low tier 100% um and highly valuable.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so cool.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the episode should come out in two weeks.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's it's thank you, thank you so much for for joining me and showing up the way that you do.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: Your joy carries through your posts, and it's really what the world needs right now.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: So keep doing what you're doing, and it's it's really cool to see your journey in this.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, thank you, John, and thank you for having me, and thank you for being an inspiration on my path and a permission slip on my path into my journey of being the adventurous, and for being on my Instagram live when we did that way back then.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you for being you, and let's keep rocking it, and let's keep shining this.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, we will link up, we will link up in the future again.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm coming there, you're coming here, and and we'll link up.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, we'll work that out.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you again for being here.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_01: Take care, Amy.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_01: All right, I really enjoyed this conversation with Amy.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things that stood out to me was the idea of approaching our emotions with curiosity instead of judgment, and focusing less on what we don't want and more on what we do want.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's something very important in whether we're talking about naturism, body confidence, relationships, or just figuring out how we want to live our lives.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_01: Getting comfortable being yourself doesn't happen overnight.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it starts with trying something new, stepping outside your comfort zone, and simply giving yourself permission to feel what you feel without being so hard on yourself.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_01: I want to thank Amy for taking the time to share her experiences and come on and have this very open conversation with me.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed it.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_01: If you've enjoyed this episode, please share it with someone who might appreciate it.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_01: And as always, get naked, be free, and be kind.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_01: See ya.