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From Fan to Founder: Replicating Your Heroes' Wins · Closing Sales in Nigeria - Sales For The Nigerian Business Person: The Sales and Marketing Blueprint

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  Hello and welcome. My name is Tavishima Aidi.
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  I saw sales and marketing challenges and I'm currently
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  making this podcast recording at my desk.
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  It's late at night with families around, so there will be some
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  interruptions. The goal of this podcast is
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  business education. So please spread the word, let
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  they can benefit from the questions that we tackle.
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  marketing questions, then bring them to me.
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  Now today on the show all I put this, OK, let's just say the
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  question is how can I be more like my business heroes?
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  And of course when I say me, I don't mean like me me, I mean
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  the person that I was talking to.
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  Now this is the background. I was talking to someone who is
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  a budding fashion entrepreneur and as his inspiration he has
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  two correct guys, Lagos based boys, Shay Vodi and Yomi Casual.
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  Both of them are high how I put it.
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  Now they have high profile clientele, you know,
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  celebrities, politicians, as in these are like big boys.
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  OK, sorry about that. Just like I promised, there was
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  going to be some interruptions. So that was my little 1.
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  He just came in because he needed my attention for
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  something. So I said no.
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  This guy, the budding fashion entrepreneur, the people that
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  he's trying to model himself after, Shay Vodi and Yomi casual
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  Lagos boys, the the deal with celebrities, politicians, high
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  profile people pretty much now she she Ivody his kind of stuff
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  is he mostly does men's suits and natives.
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  And from what I saw online, they said that the guy does vertical
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  silhouettes, Abbi silhouettes, Abbi silhoue.
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  You know, I don't know how it's pronounced and since I'm not in
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  the fashion, I don't even know what a silhouette or silhouette
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  is because it means something else in photography than it
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  means in fashion. So it looks like the guy has a
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  certain kind of style, but you know, since me, I don't have a
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  fashion bone in my body when I look, I'm like man, sure, his
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  stuff is is tight. But to be honest, you know, if
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  you want me to break it down, like I can't break it down
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  because I don't know fashion. I don't do fashion.
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  Then Yomi casual, you know, some people would say his stuff is
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  contemporary designs, but he always does African fabric.
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  So like that's his thing. So, yeah, I mean, those are them
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  basically. And this guy wants to model his
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  business after these two. So if you want to model yourself
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  after your heroes, the first thing you have to do is to try
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  and figure out the ingredients to their success.
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  Good news, the Internet is here, so you can Google, you can
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  search. Sometimes people do case studies
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  on certain kinds of entrepreneurs.
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  You can use Google Gemini, you can use ChatGPT.
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  There are lots of tools that you can use to do some research.
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  Sorry, one moment and I will be back.
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  OK, sorry about that. I am back.
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  This time was my wife was looking for my attention because
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  you know, it's late night evening.
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  So in the middle of making dinner and so she needed one or
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  two things so she can sort the boys out.
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  OK, where was I? So I was talking about how if
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  you want to monitor yourself after somebody nowadays, it's
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  not hard. There's lots of stuff available
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  on the Internet or you can use these AI tools to make your
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  research a lot easy or share. You'll be able to find one or
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  two things that the person that you like did to get to where
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  they were. Now there's something that I
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  tell lots of people, which is that ideas are the easy part.
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  When I repeat, ideas are the easy part.
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  Execution is the main thing, especially since I have started
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  consulting. Now for some reason, you sit
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  down with someone, you guys come up with a plan, you drop the
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  list, and for some reason people just don't execute.
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  There are lots of people who don't understand that, like we
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  can sit down and we can come up with the ideas from now until
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  Kingdom come. If you are not going to do one
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  thing to take a step in the right direction, then you have
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  wasted your time and your money. Now, because I'm a Christian and
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  because I have judged mind, I feel bad collecting somebody's
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  money and we're not making progress.
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  So I'll always try to make sure that we are making progress, no
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  matter how much or no matter how little you are paying.
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  But for now, please know that the idea, the thing that you
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  need to do, that is the easy part, precisely because we have
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  Google and we have AI tools. So finding the answer, what
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  should I do that is easy? We need a resolve.
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  We need the resolve and we need a plan so that tomorrow morning,
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  8:00, nine o'clock 10:00 whenever you start your day, you
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  can start implementing this thing that is actually what will
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  make things move forward. So me and the guy, we have some
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  back and forth to try and figure out what it is that makes Shay
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  Vodi and yummy casual, what makes them tick.
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  And we came up with a couple of stuff, quality and
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  craftsmanship. So I don't know much about
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  fashion, but I must admit that when I see yummy casual because
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  I've seen it live on some people, I'm like, OK, OK, I can
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  see that is a correct. This is a correct workmanship
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  here. Like this is nice.
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  There's no bad, there's no bad. So both of them, she and yummy,
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  they clearly have a thing of if I touch something, this thing
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  has to be on point gas to be 5 stars.
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  So that is one thing that she Woody and Yummy casual have and
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  that we can attribute to their success.
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  Oh, by the way, since I don't know Shay one-on-one and since I
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  don't know yummy one-on-one, and since I've never had
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  conversations with them, all these things I'm coming up with
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  is just me and this other guy, the young and profession
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  entrepreneur, just trying to, you know, based on what we've
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  seen online, I'm trying to figure out a couple of things
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  what we think was responsible for them coming up with the
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  level of success that they have. So next was what I would call
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  unique value proposition, which is why should somebody do
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  business with me? But I guess other people would
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  in the fashion space would probably call it a design
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  philosophy or a calling card or something.
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  I don't know how to explain to you.
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  But The thing is when you look at shave or the when you look at
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  Yomi casual, you can see clearly there's a difference.
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  You can't say one person is copying another.
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  I mean, it's a they're definitely not doing Taylor and
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  Cotton join and all of that, but it's a clear design philosophy
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  that is going into what it is that they do.
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  So like I said, she his thing is men's suits and native and they
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  have a certain look. Some people say it's vertical or
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  silhouette or silhouette or whatever, whatever that means.
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  But she he has this kind of look, yummy casual.
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  Of course you say yomi casual, not your me formal.
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  So yomi casual contemporary designs and then African fabric.
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  So he also has his thing. So clearly they have their
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  calling card. They have their style, they have
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  their design philosophy, they have their unique fashion
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  elements. On my own case, I would say
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  unique value proposition. Why do people do business with
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  you? So if somebody wants something
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  Afrocentric, Afrocentric, cosmopolitan, you call up your
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  MI casual, but then you want something more men's suit and
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  native, but something more structured, you call up she
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  body. So that is also another thing
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  that we figure can attribute to their success and then
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  networking and relationships. Yeah, we think that that was
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  instrumental to their success because remember both of these
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  young men. So excuse me, both of these
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  young men or both of these guys, let me not say young men, just
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  in case any of them are older than me, Let them not look at me
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  and say that you're calling me young man, you're no born.
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  You were, you know, that kind of thing.
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  So so both of these individuals shave body and Yomi casual just
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  in case they're older than me. They, their clientele, like I
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  said, high, high profile celebrities, politicians, all
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  those big, big magazines, so so and so's birthday party, so so
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  and so's naming ceremony, so so and so's, remembrance of burial
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  and all whatnot. All those big, big, big things.
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  African movie AM VCA Africa movie and something awards red
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  carpet back when I was in Lagos, Yummy casual, you know, you do
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  see some some celebrities on the Billboard.
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  So I mean, that is the kind of those are the kind of circles
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  that these guys roll in. So definitely we know for sure
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  that networking and relationships is part of the
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  reason why they're successful. In fact, for Yummy Casual, we
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  speculate. We guess that because Yummy
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  casual is the younger brother of a why the the comedian?
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  AY is it Ayo Marco or something? I can't remember his name.
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  Anyway, I think he did this movie with Ramsey Noah.
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  What was it called again? Something demons.
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  Is it Yoruba demons or something?
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  I can't remember anyway, but he was he was in a comedy with
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  Ramsey Noah, Jim Ike, who again, like four or five of them
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  anyway. So definitely, I'm assuming Yomi
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  Casual would have told his brother.
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  Hey bro, how far now I know, say you get one or two connects and
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  you know me, I'm doing this fashion thing, you know, I beg
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  one or two introductions, you know, I bet you hook me up with
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  this person, that person as a people nice, you know, that kind
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  of thing. So I'm assuming we both assume
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  we are not trying to take away from the level of success that
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  Yomi Casual has built for his business, but we suspect that
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  his brother may have made one or two introductions.
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  So networking relationships, trying to utilize your existing
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  connections, we definitely think that that is a part of it.
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  Then personalized services because especially for the kind
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  of clientele that they have, you know, bespoke is a thing because
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  people don't want to spend hundreds of thousands and
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  millions on you. And then what you're delivering
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  them is the same thing that you're delivering to anybody
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  else. So there has to be a bespoke
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  element. There you go.
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  You do fitting, you do resizing. Because I heard my my Atafo or
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  me Atafo, I'm not sure how his name is pronounced.
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  I saw me Atafo on something on DSTVI was talking about the
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  whole consultation process. You know, you come in, you sit
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  down, you sketch, you agree, you draw the something, and then you
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  do the first whatever, you come, you do the fitting, and then you
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  go back in. I think they do like 2 fittings
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  or something. So I mean, at that level where
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  people are paying you good money for their designs and good money
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  for their clothes, they expect a certain level of personalization
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  and customization that goes with it.
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  So we think that that was also part of the things that made
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  them successful. And then of course, sorry, 1
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  moment. OK, sorry about that.
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  A reminder just came up. I actually have to be leaving
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  soon. I have a meeting to get to.
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  OK, well, let me wrap up. So and then we also think word
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  of mouth. So especially since it's more of
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  networking and relationships, it has to be word of mouth
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  introductions, you know, all those sorts of things.
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  And then of course, visibility and then brand presence.
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  So lots of celebrity endorsements.
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  My guess is that they were giving lots of gifts to
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  celebrities because especially in the early days, you know,
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  when you don't have a brand, I doubt, I doubt that every single
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  celebrity in the in the beginning were, I don't think
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  every single celebrity that put on their stuff in the early days
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  was a paid client. Because I also was listening to
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  Kelechi Amadi Obi. This was a while ago.
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  Kelechi Amadi Obi, he's a photographer based in Lagos.
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  For those of us who are young, young and up and coming back
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  then he's someone that we really, really respected because
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  Khalechi Amadiobi was really good with off camera lighting,
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  advanced lighting, these sorts of things.
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  And eventually he would, Khalechi Amadiobi would start
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  doing work with the South African Tourism Board and would
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  also start rolling in, you know, Nigerian high life, I say high
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  life, no high life, all I say, you know, high society circles
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  and things like that. So, so I was at one event where
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  Kelechi mentioned that the early photos he took of P Square that,
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  you know, they didn't pay him. That was a matter of him just
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  like, oh, I've seen your stuff, blah, blah, blah.
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  I'm going to be in town or I'll be come to my studio, you know,
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  one or two things, you know. So I was surprised to find out
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  that even for Kelechi, Amadi will be some of those early
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  celebrity stuff. Wasn't he paid something he was
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  on that hooked up the whole thing by himself because he
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  wanted to try out some creative concepts and also because he was
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  looking at all? I put it, it would help with the
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  visibility and with the with the brand presence.
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  So I suspected yummy casual and she body have done some of these
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  things. By the way, if any of you is
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  connected to these guys, you know, let me know.
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  I'd like to have their phone number, like to have a chat with
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  them, maybe self even interview them for this podcast, because a
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  whole lot of what I'm saying is just plenty speculation.
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  Well, I'm assuming that this is stuff that help them in their
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  business. Then of course, being featured
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  in the media and then public relations and things like that.
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  So in my own opinion, and for this fashion entrepreneur, these
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  are the reasons why we think Shay Vodi and Yomi Casual are
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  successful business people in the fashion space, successful
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  fashion entrepreneurs today. And that's the reason why they
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  have the the name that they carry in Lagos, you know, Yoruba
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  land, you know, kind of because in Abuja, you know, if you say
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  you're me, Kajra and Abuja people will be like, you're me
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  who, you know, they don't Abuja people don't know that kind of
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  stuff or don't dress that kind of stuff.
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  So that's it. Now, the whole point of asking
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  this question, what are the ingredients to this person's
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  success is because you know, Tim Robbins, I'm easy, Tim, Tony
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  Robbins. So Tony Robbins, he's famous for
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  saying success leaves clues. So the idea is if we can figure
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  out this is what the person did and I do this kind of thing,
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  then I should be all right, I should be good.
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  So yes, that is one step. Now the second part to it and
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  the conversation that I like to have because lots of people
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  don't realize how they're putting, setting themselves up
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  for failure is this. Now that we've figured out what
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  the ingredients are of being able to guess, this is what the
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  ingredients might be. We also need to have realistic
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  time frames and realistic expectations about what we can
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  achieve. And this is how I told this.
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  This is what I told this fashion entrepreneur.
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  I told him that show, you know, Shave Audi started in 2001.
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  You guys say yes. So you know that Shave Audi,
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  excuse me, his journey has been 24 years as at the time of this
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  recording, Shave Audi has been running this game 24 years.
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  You guys say yes, So Yummy Casual, you know, Yummy Casual
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  started around that kind 2007 say yes.
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  So therefore Yummy Casual has been running this game for 18
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  years. We say yes.
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  The reason why we need to have this conversation is because
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  lots of you are looking at somebody, you know, in America
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  they call this a snapshot. You're looking at, you know, the
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  snapshot theory, you're looking at the snapshot of somebody
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  today not as that person was yesterday or when he started.
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  So a lot of you today are saying I want to be like Shay Vodi and
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  I want to be like Yummy casual. But you're thinking you want to
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  be like how they are today and forgetting the fact that Shay
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  has built this thing 24 years, Yummy has built this thing 18
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  years. So with this whole snapshot
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  theory, what you should be doing is don't be looking at Shay Vodi
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  as he is now in 2025 or Yomi Casual as he is now 18 years
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  later. Try and figure out 24 years ago
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  how did they start. That is the snapshot you should
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  be looking at and that is the realistic time frame that you
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  should have. If you're looking at two people
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  and you think these two people are certified big boys, they are
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  correct guys. One of them took 24 years,
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  another person took 18. Why are you thinking your own
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  journey will take one year? These are things that we do that
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  give ourselves unnecessary BP. If two people you think are
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  correct guys, each of them two decades, why do you think 2
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  years? You're always set.
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  Let's just be realistic here. Now, yes, there are some people
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  that one year, 1 1/2 year, everything don't set as
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  everything clicks, Yes, but remember, those people are
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  outliers. That is not the average.
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  So we need to have a realistic time frame.
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  I'm not saying that you should assume that your own journey is
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  going to be 20 years, especially for those of you who are like
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  4550, you'll now be saying 20 years.
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  What are you saying they will not live the soft life or no
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  hammer until I'm 70? I'm not saying that.
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  I'm not saying we need to have realistic expectations.
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  So another thing that I recommend for people who can, if
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  you can be close to the source, it is a way that you can work
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  for or internship for she or Yummy try.
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  I heard that Yummy has the guy I was talking to say Tommy has
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  like 40 something people that so for him, you know, if you can go
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  and be #45 as in try if you can enter that click, you will help
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  because you will see from the source.
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  You will learn from the source. And if you're enterprising and
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  if you're helpful and if you're trustworthy, they will be giving
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  you small, small assignments. The assignment will increase
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  more and more responsibility. By the time you stay in that
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  kind of setup, like 1 1/2 two years, you learn a couple of
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  things and then you you start your own business journey.
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  You'll be starting on a higher level than somebody who's just
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  coming from day one and who wants to use idea to blow.
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  So if you can internship, if you can go and work there, try some
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  people want to go the mentorship route.
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  That's OK, that's good. But this is the advice I'm going
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  to give. If you want to go the mentorship
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  route, don't want to say Shay. I love your work.
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  Please mentor me. That's awkward.
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  It's somehow those kind of conversations don't they don't
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  work. Like Oprah Hophrey was on TV one
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  time. Somebody was talking about
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  female empowerment and blah, blah, blah.
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  And she said that for her, it's very awkward when a young lady
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  walks up to her and says, oh, mentor me, You know, she said,
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  you know, she doesn't know what to do.
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  That's what Oprah said. You just roll up my hand and
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  say, Oprah, I love you. Please mentor me.
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  Please be my mentor. Oprah doesn't know what to do
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  next. The average person doesn't know
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  what to do next. These people are business
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  people. They're not coaches.
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  So if you try and take the the if you try and take the scope
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  that you want to deliver value 1st and you roll up on someone
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  and like, oh Shay, yummy, love what you do, blah, blah, blah.
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  Really inspired. I on the other hand, I have this
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  skill set. I think I can use this skill set
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  to grow your business or grow this particular part or this
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  small department or this small department in this and this and
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  this and this and this way. I would love the opportunity to
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  be of service. If you come from that angle, you
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  will find that you will naturally fall into a kind of
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  mentoring habit, mentor mentee relationship because you're a
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  smallie coming into this thing trying to derive value to
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  somebody. So naturally this person has is
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  taking value from you will also be giving you one or two things
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  like, OK, this thing you are trying to do, no, next time run
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  them like this. Next time do it like that.
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  Or if it was me, I would have done it like this.
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  So don't call me and saying you're me, mentor me.
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  Come in and saying this is me. This is my skill set.
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  This is the value that I think I can bring to you, to your
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  operation, to your business, to this particular aspect, to this
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  charity, to this thing you're paying attention to, to this pet
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  project, to this whatever. So if you come at it from that
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  angle, you will just naturally over time, fall into a mentor
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  and mentee relationship. So that for me is the answer to
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  the question. How can you be like your
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  business hero? Go and do some research, figure
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  out the ingredients and then come up with an action plan.
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  Start movementing. But then remember snapshot
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  theory, the journey that took them three decades.
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  Don't think you're going to do it in two years.
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  So the picture you should be looking at is when they were at
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  your own level, where were they or how did they start?
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  If you can internship, please go and do it.
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  If you can go and learn what go and do it.
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  If you're going through the mentorship route, never roll up
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  on anybody and say please be my mentor.
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  If I go and I say down with it, please be my mentor.
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  Down with it is going to rightfully think, you know what,
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  I have too many things on my table right now.
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  I'm not looking for extra work because I will sound like I'm
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  giving him work. But for all upon that what I
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  say, love what you do. I like the fact that when you
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  and Otatolla tried to have what's it called?
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  Was it Black Star? I think it was Black Star.
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  When they wanted to buy the refineries, they came up with a
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  proposal under ambassador's regime.
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  I think Second time, I think during ambassador's second term,
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  they came up with a consortium, I think it was called Black Star
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  or something, or Blue Star. They wanted to buy all the
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  refineries, that's Port Arcot, Katuna, where again, they wanted
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  to buy it and then operate it. And I think they won the bid,
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  but there was a lot of popular outcry against Dangote and
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  Alterola at the time. So the the thing was revoked,
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  even though they had paid money. And anyway, so if I approach him
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  saying that, oh, Mr. Dangote, I remember when I was in secondary
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  school, we were trying this thing.
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  This thing didn't work. I'm glad you stuck to it.
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  You've been a visionary. You've inspired me, you know,
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  blah, blah, blah. I like what you do.
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  This is my skill set. I think with my skills I should
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  be able to add value here, add value here to this particular
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  project, to this thing, to this thing, to that thing, you know?
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  Can I get your pH number? I would love to have a meeting
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  to see if my small skills can help move your ministry in any
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  way. If I come in from that angle,
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  I'm not saying it's a guarantee. I'm not saying I might stand a
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  shot because at least I'm not looking like extra work.
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  If I come and say down with it, mentor me, I'm definitely
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  looking like extra work. I'm looking like homework.
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  And as far as he's concerned, he would say, look, you know what?
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  With the government, with this, with that, with oil marketers or
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  whatnot, my hands are full. I don't have time for any pet
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  projects the other way. I stand a chance somehow.
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  So that's all for today. Remember, if you have any sales
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  or marketing questions, then bring them to me.
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  You can call an SMS. You can WhatsApp on 08064662140.
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  Thank you very much for your time and attention.
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  I'll catch you all at the next episode.