Latest / The Pressing Play Podcast / Ep5 Pressing Play on transitions with Roanna Stromberg Smith
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- Jo Fiddy: I want to say a massive thank you to Roanna for coming on the show today. And if you were inspired by her story and you would like to go meet her in the Cotswolds and join one of her delicious suppers, you can find Roanna and I have one of her beautiful cards here. You can contact Roanna on the-rss-brand.co.uk. You can find out more there. Hello and welcome to the Pressing Play podcast. I am so excited. We have an incredible guest on today and we are going to be talking about ⁓ chapters of life that reshape us, those moments when our identity shifts ⁓ how we move forwards and keep pressing play anyway. ⁓ am delighted. I am so excited to introduce Roanna Stromberg-Smith. So so many women grow up believing that midlife is a time to slow down, ⁓ entering kind of their post years of their life and. She creates the most exquisite Cotswolds experiences, as well as beautiful, stunning and bringing and communities together. ⁓ And what really love about Roanna is that she didn't start this in her ⁓ 20s, she this in her ⁓ 50s. This press play energy and you are for a treat. Let's put our hands for the incredible Roanna. Here she is. not starting something new? And what helped you trust yourself enough to create this business at this stage of life? And also, if someone is listening there right now and they think maybe it's too late for me, what would you like to tell them? Life can change in ways we have never expected. But what today reminds us of is that even in the hardest transitions, there is still beauty, connection, and the possibility of a new chapter. Now, if you're listening right now and you're going through a transition of your own, maybe divorce, grief, menopause, or simply a moment where life feels uncertain. RO: tell them if you've got a spark inside of you or a little pilot light of where you've always thought like I might like to work for myself or launch that little idea and it could be you know from seeds grow acorns which grow trees I would say just go for it I mean obviously it depends on your personality and your character and but launching a business for me Jo Fiddy: Yay! She's here! RO: Live Hello Jo. Mike, that was quite an introduction. Thank you so much. That's very kind. ⁓ You know talking about you and then think, is that me? ⁓ And ⁓ then you step into the energy of, have that, I have done that, I am here. So thank you. And I'm looking forward to a conversation with you from my kitchen. Jo Fiddy: I hope today's conversation reminds you that your story isn't over. There's still another chapter waiting for you. ⁓ RO: what I realize now has always been inside of me. You know, I love business and I'm a salesperson. So, you know, I get the hit from being out there and making things happen. you've got nothing to lose really. You can try it and you can set up a business now, you know, with a phone. You don't even need a laptop. I mean, I do most of my business on my phone. all the way across to where you are in Europe. But also, I just would love to share and help other people. So I hope our chat on transition has some ripple effects for anyone listening. Jo Fiddy: I love that. And it's really such an honor. And ⁓ we have share that we have a very beautiful energy exchange, don't we? And when you're ready, you can press play. of love. RO: you know you need a phone and a phone stand and an internet connection and get out there and start talking to people. the second question. What was your first question? We do. You're my sister, the sister I didn't have. I mean, I have got two future daughter-in-laws from my sons, but you're my sister I didn't have. And yeah, what a pleasure. And it's so lovely in life when you start really looking at yourself and stuff happens and you have space to, I've had space to be on my own the last few years. And then you just start to up level your life with the people that come in. And of course you're one of them. And, you know, Jo Fiddy: same. Yeah, I gave you two then, that's because I got over excited. What helped you trust yourself enough to create this business? Yeah. RO: I think there was quite a lot of, you've got nothing to lose. You have the space and time to try this now. And I had a, when I arrived back in the Cotswolds, you I got a job in a local luxury boutique hotel in retail, which is my background. So that was like keeping me going and covering my bases while I had the idea and start, you you need something on the side while you're launching and while you're working and brewing the idea. We met how many months ago now? Six months ago, maybe five months ago. So we're relatively new friends, but we of course, we swapped all stories and it was such fun. We actually physically met ⁓ ⁓ going to name drop here ⁓ Monaco. ⁓ business mastermind we're Jo Fiddy: Yes, we did, we did. No. ⁓ RO: just had a feeling that it would, it was something I needed to try. And so it was, it was from the gut, it was from the heart and it was learning to trust that muscle. And obviously along the entrepreneurial journey and working for yourself, there were so many things that could bring you down. And it's a question of keep going, keep going one step forward because we do take a couple back because you know, things can go wrong. which is really exciting. Jo Fiddy: surrounded by helicopters and... RO: helicopters and cruise ships. But the fabulous Poppy that leads this with us, we're a very small group of women and we're all very diverse in different ages and interesting, but it was that collective energy. But that's where I met you and I'm very grateful for that. And that's why I'm here on the podcast. ⁓ ⁓ you for inviting me. things are challenging, you've got to, you've, there's so much to learn about, but there's so much free stuff online around business and LinkedIn, which I'm a bit of a fan of. And there's so much stuff that you can just immerse yourself in and it's having that wider mindset to do that. ⁓ And so, so suppose it was just trust. was the real start of trusting myself and taking all of my business background with Marks and Spencers. Jo Fiddy: ⁓ And I was also your first speaker in your incredible, your inaugural ⁓ supper in the Cotswolds. RO: Yeah, and that is so nice that we've had this first exchange and we said that before coming on air. Very grateful for that. Yes, I mean, I've got my core business in the Cotswolds and that which is around travel and touring. And then I've added in this new layer at the end of last year of suppers with Roanna Stromberg-Smith, basically. And it was for interested and interesting women to gather for dinner, just a small group. boys are asked working for lots of independence and bringing it into something I could package up and say that one of the overarching feelings now I was thinking, think about it was I've made a lot of money for other people. And, you know, I'm, I'm one of my superpowers is selling and I, I've gone into boutiques where I've turned them around and I've massively increased turnover. And I'm like, I've always done it for someone else. So isn't it time now that I can pivot that. None of them know each other. But I knew I wanted a little bit of intelligent kind of speaker talk kind of presentation. And Joe, I asked you and you came and it was so successful. And the ripple effect and the bars afterwards was fabulous with a lot of exchange of women. to me, getting people around a table and sharing a meal is gold. ⁓ ⁓ need to bring that back. It's a bit like hosting in our homes, right? We've, you know, when I was young, we've got out of and make that money for myself. And the money, you know, money is an energy as we know, and it flows. And now the money I can make for myself in a day, a lovely client ⁓ like beyond what I thought I could achieve. And it just shows you that, by ⁓ just being and launching this, of sharing those meal table suppers. So yeah, it's nice to be able to give this back to you after you help me. Jo Fiddy: Well, thank you. And let's start there. Let's start talking about those beautiful suppers. Where did the inspiration come from to start doing these beautiful suppers with just such fabulous women? RO: it can bring me an income. Well, it was born out of actually, it was a natural sort of next step, but it was born out of this business container we're in. And it just came to me as another way, because I'm a host in the Cotswolds and I operate a business that is a elite chauffeur tour experience for discerning travelers, mainly for America, but international really. And this is like another arm where I wanted Jo Fiddy: I think that's just so as a woman to have that financial independence and doing something that you love that lights you up as well. ⁓ Tell me more about your, yes, passion. So having this passion, ⁓ me more about your created Cotswolds experience. If someone's listening there and saying, I love to join Roanna in the Cotswolds, tell me what someone can expect. RO: Passion, passion. Thank The Cotswolds, of course, is very bougie and very on the map at the moment with lots of famous people moving here and whatever. But the point is it's quintessential England. It's quintessential Middle England. And I love it for me because living here, because I know it well, my parents lived here for 35 years on the Stroud Valley side of the Cotswolds. ⁓ ⁓ me, ⁓ close enough to London, obviously, that people can get here. You know, I live on my own and I'm single and I'm 57. Let's get that out there. So we're different age. I'm a different decade to you, but like it's cool. We're friends. I'm not ageist at all, but I gathering as a group, the intelligent conversation. You know, I'm very cultural and I wanted to gather people together and it was a natural ⁓ arm support my business kind of from the side, but kind of separately. Jo Fiddy: No. RO: by car or train in a couple of hours and the sort of buzz of London, but it's also, cultured and it's very accessible, the Cotswolds. ⁓ might ⁓ reach out me, they're coming to the area, this particular client lives in Carolina. It was a lovely way of me hosting something, gathering people together, but also helping other women. And there was a real buzz about it in the room afterwards, wasn't there? And we got a little bit of brand sponsorship from Valerie was just something I wanted to do. And the beautiful little bit of story, I'm a bit into energy and sort of alignment and Jo Fiddy: That was. RO: traveling with her husband and her older daughter and she is overwhelmed looking at the options. So what I can do is bring people from rather confusing chaos and where to go and what to do into clarity and I provide a travel consultation call over Zoom and then add-ons to you know are my elite tours with the chauffeur driver so I can host them and show them around and the on my tours is that I'm with the client all day we have a separate chauffeur driver. ⁓ signs and literally two, half, three years ago, there's a fabulous pub in the Cotswolds called the Double Red Duke, shout out to them in Clamfield. And I had been there and seen their private dining space, which is quite small and intimate and as you know, wood paneled. And saw it I was like, it's gorgeous. I am going to have a dinner there. And I was with my then partner and he's like, yeah, let's bring the children and have, I think we were probably thinking of a family gathering. And I know there was sort of, it was really sensible. I'm very much by your side. It's very hands-on. It's what I call a white-cloth experience and it's an end-to-end experience. I can organise your hotel, your transfers ⁓ as And then I tailor your day, so it's bespoke. So whatever your interests are, for example, let's say the husband adores classic cars ⁓ and lady, the wife, is really into her antiques. I can make sure I weave that into the day and I'll drop in a few surprises. I always have a couple of surprises. no minimum spend and that sort of thing. And I thought, I'm going to host a here. Three years later, I hosted a dinner there, but it was for women who have known. So I couldn't have designed it like that. So I suppose it was a way of bringing women together and sharing and the power of that. And I really enjoyed it. but I'm very well connected here now and my little black book is open so I can always find, for example, I can go to an artist, a famous artist in the Cotswolds so I know, we can go to his studio. So someone who's arty, it's about the storytelling. Travel is about the storytelling and the connection with the people. And so I go under the radar a bit, ⁓ well as doing what I call the crowd pleases, like vibrate. What I have learned from my journey in the business side, and I realize not everybody listening to this is in business, so I don't want to only focus on that, but what I have learned is action builds momentum. So you've got to take the step. And then that, and then I got the confidence. And for the first time, I stood up around the table and spoke, which was nerve wracking. ⁓ And helped me with some tapping before. And I realized I have got a voice. So I've been finding that voice. So interestingly, last year I am now the Cotswolds and beyond. So I'm helping people in London, in Wales and Scotland as well. And my connections there are growing. ⁓ as a well-travelled girl who was born in England, I've got lots of knowledge of the whole of the country. But am based in the Cotswolds and that's my core business. ⁓ if appeals to anyone, just get in touch at the end. ⁓ Yeah. Jo Fiddy: I absolutely love that so much. And it is finding your voice, isn't it? Stepping into the past and that are becoming and who you are and no slowing down and it's pressing, pressing play in action. I feel like you, you are press play energy and actually talking about the Cotswolds, I'd love to circle back. So you created this beautiful luxury tour business in the Cotswolds ⁓ your ⁓ which is such an inspiring chapter. ⁓ you tell us ⁓ bit of a story on how that first started? Absolutely, and we'll make sure we'll add those details in. And also, we touched on it earlier, I wanna bring it back, those delicious suppers, those events that you are gonna be running. There's a wait list I know, and we'll have it in the show notes, how to join the wait list. RO: Yeah, exceptional women and they don't have to be business women. They're just women who want the conversation and the connection. And I think we all crave that again and we want to be in the room and have a full ⁓ five cents And that's what ⁓ I'm building delivering. they'll be quarterly and there is a wait list. And if you're interested, do sign up and they won't just be in the Cotswolds. They'll be in London as well ⁓ and possibly Jo Fiddy: and where that came from. RO: Yes. So thank you for asking and lovely to circle back to it. in my 50s, without going through too much detail, but I had a long marriage and three sons and then I had a long partnership for nearly nine years and we split up in the year of Covid 2020. so now in 2026, that was six years ago and I launched the business three years ago. even in Europe, actually. And they'll always have an interesting speaker. ⁓ there'll always be really, really cool women to connect with. And I mean, it's as simple as that really. It's soul ⁓ led and connection for women and the sharing of the stories ⁓ you seen and heard. But during that transition of my life where big breakup, which was very dark in the worst point, and I sort of describe it as sort of climbing back out of the crab bucket, you know, gradually. But my life now from that moment is ⁓ sparkly and full and wholesome and soul-led So I think I'm quite a good example of somebody being on their own and doing the work, if you like, to get to this stage, because I was pretty broken. But the business is the first time I've had the chance and the space in my life with grown up children, because I had them young, to think about a business and launch it. And actually, I've always been very businessy and entrepreneurial. I joined Marks and Spencer's management training when I was 18, a major opportunity and went from there. because it's just really important and, all fill ourselves up with all the different people in our lives, but, know, family, friends, husband, partner. I'm finding at the moment ⁓ some of the transitions I've recently been through, which we're to touch on, it is the women in life who've been there for me. ⁓ And so pressing play. ⁓ or midlife for me has just expanded my world and grown it and in a, you know, what I call my tribe, my village. So I was in the buying and the retail side of ⁓ &S, both sides, my career. this, when I moved back to the Cotswolds after the breakup, I just this feeling that I could showcase my skills, bring them all, wrap them up together ⁓ and deliver for tourists coming to the Cotswolds. But I knew it would be very high level and Jo Fiddy: beautiful, I hear that. And it's that power of the sisterhood and the female friendships and how they can be there for you. And you touched it, you've been through divorce and we'll talk about transitions. And I've also been through my own transitions. How have you found your sisterhood circles and your female friendships have helped you through transitions in your life? RO: super elite and I've always been at the luxury side and I'm sophisticated and that's what that's why I wanted to put myself. So I just had this vision of driving around in a chauffeur vehicle like Mercedes or something, showing off the Cotswolds, which is kind of what I do. And so the answer to the question is it just came to me and I don't know when that exact moment was, Jo, but what a gift to I just dreamt this up and then it was taking that idea and bringing it into actual reality and I think as I've got more self aware and focused on myself and sort of, ⁓ had time and space ⁓ again, living my own. I mean, it's the ultimate act of self awareness because you've got, you know, you have to, you have to sit with yourself, right? But I'm, do lots of different self care techniques, but as I've done that, I've met interesting women along the way and focus and actually launching it and I had some help with that. I used a business coach who helped me and I did a small business course as well with a few women and You know, it's interesting to note that I've also, people have also slipped away who haven't been as aligned with me now and that is fine. And you have to let that go. But as the new people have come in, yeah, they've just been that beautiful mirror relationship where you can talk and you can be open, that helped me finalize, know, fine tune the thoughts and then to actually launch it. So it was a light bulb idea and then I came up with the name and then ⁓ launched and I, yeah, it's kind of happened and very quite organically. not interested in small talk and gossip and, I don't watch anymore. ⁓ I sorry, I'm sounding really but I'm just too excited about life. And I don't need those other things. I'd rather be on this path of ⁓ discovery. ⁓ And within that I'm having lot fun. You we can have But I think I kept taking steps and I can feel it in my tummy saying this, if you've got an idea, anyone listening to this, please explore it and please launch it. friends for different reasons as well. Like, you know, have one that you might be your theatre buddy, and then you have one that might be your gym buddy or walks. And I was reading something yesterday about friendships and instead of making it, got to have a big catch up after three months and see them for dinner. You could just, it's quite nice to do regular things. So, you know, every Friday it's the coffee for half hour or like you and I, sometimes we speak on the phone, like little voice note catch ups. That's, and you keep that friendship energy threads going. Jo Fiddy: it is. RO: So I think that's really interesting to explore. It doesn't always have to be come and stay the weekend, right? Jo Fiddy: Yeah, definitely, definitely. And I think also people listening here now, if they're going through a transition in their life is to look to the power of their female friendships, to look to their sisters in their sisterhood version. RO: Yeah, and I mean, I'm lucky. I'm very sociable and I love people, as you know, and I get my energy from people. And I guess that's where my career has unfolded and why I'm able to do this to a business. And I'm very aware that there are people listening who have a different take. I know sometimes it's hard to find female friendships. But I suppose for me, when I first moved here, you know, I joined the Village Running Group, because I had done Couch to 5K and so got scooped up with that. And I mean, I'm not in that group now because I hurt my ankle and done other things. I mean, it really is as simple as join the hobby groups and don't sit in your house all flat and get out there and meet and do and have conversations. And also, I think some of the most lovely connections could happen to happen just taking the time to sit and talk to somebody new and. realizing there's a lot of people, 7 billion people in the world. And it, for me, at the end of the day, it's the people, your love is the biggest thing. And however that love shows up for you, I can get love from a different place. doesn't have to be romantic love. And also that connection of sharing something and just sitting with someone and listening to them. And I think for mental health reasons that can... I you know, I've had moments where because someone stopped and spoken to me, it's really made a difference. So I suppose that would be my message. Jo Fiddy: Absolutely. I really, really, really absolutely love that. And ⁓ talking about transitions, because I think we've both been our own transitions. I know if I talk about mine, I've been through menopause twice. ⁓ I've been divorced. As a ⁓ very unique little here. ⁓ I've also been divorce. I've moved countries. I've my own transitions. ⁓ And I think that they've reshaped the person that am. And it's finding ways to press play. ⁓ RO: Yeah, that's unusual. Jo Fiddy: in the light, in the dark, if you feel comfortable, how do you feel sharing about your own transitions in life and how they've reshaped you or how you're pressing play right now? RO: Yeah, very happy. Yeah, I mean, I'm 57, as I've said, nearly 58. So if I look at the timeline of my life, which is all, it's a good way to plot your life, right? Zoom out, you know. So I married when I was 22, 20 year marriage. Then in my 40s had the second relationship, which was nearly eight and a half, nine years. And we ended up living in the Middle East and then we split up and we... Jo Fiddy: Yes. RO: came back. And by the way, when I was married, I was an army wife. So quite a lot of moving house, quite a lot of army married quarters. Like you, I've lived in Germany. So, you my kids had a really interesting upbringing. so I was an army wife and then latterly, my ex-husband became a housemaster in a public school called Gresham's in Norfolk. And so I was then wife of housemaster. And that was when my boys were just at the age, know, old enough that I was starting to look to get back into work and what was I going to do and to reinvent myself. And I was quite flat before that. I was ready for the next thing, and I was helping a lot with things at school, but I needed the next, I need, I need business and commercial and stuff and product and people and sales. ⁓ so ⁓ anyway, around that our broke down and I left husband then we divorced. And then I had the second relationship. so in that 2020 was a very dark time in that I really felt the abandonment of that. Okay, but I was in my early 50s. I meant to also say the other life moment for me was losing my mother in 2013. It was actually the same year as I divorced, my mother died of cancer. So big things actually in the timeline of life. Then splitting up with the then partner, which brought me to my knees. And then a little bit I've expressed about the journey since coming back to live in the Cotswolds, sorting out my secure base, renting my house, being able to buy my house through another sort of magical moment of manifestation, and then launching the business. So actually really nice. And I'm... talking about it, Joe, expressing it, it feels like it was meant to be. It's actually, at the time, sometimes these transitions are really hard, but I kept trusting that I was on a path. I know that sounds really easy to say, but I still feel it, that it's unfolding and I've learned to surrender more. And then that brings us up to where we are into 2025. And I've had another big life event and the hugest one really is that My youngest son died at Christmas last year, as you know, and Oliver was 25. And this is going to shape, this is already shaping, I think, how I move through it. And obviously, I mean, I'm still in the grief. I probably will always be in the grief, but losing an adult son, obviously has been huge. So although I've had the beautiful light of the business and all the ripple effect of that and bringing in, starting to bring in some income for myself, and I've got plans for the future, you know, it's this light and darkness, this yin and yang, and it's a huge event. navigating that, but I just wanted to say that there is... ⁓ There's always been a pilot light on that I keep going on this journey that I'm on. And I think the tragedy of losing Ollie for us as a family and his brothers who are devastated is going to continue to shape my journey as me myself. I'd like to help others through what I've experienced and of course it's been the greatest pain ever but you know he will live on. So yeah I've had some big life moments and many many many people have and what I would say is ⁓ I mean people say I've been remarkable and I'm strong but I mean I that's just I don't know like it's how I've dealt with it. obviously I haven't had my moments, but ⁓ I can talk about it more and maybe help other people because there are lots of people who lose ⁓ children. I mean, there are actually lots when you, know, and so it's good to talk about it. So I think that the life ⁓ you meant, ⁓ Jo Fiddy: Thank you so much for sharing that and I appreciate it has just been such a heartbreaking time and thank you for sharing that and for talking openly about your transitions and what you've been through and I can imagine there is someone listening there who will hear your message and hear how you have got that pilot light on and how you are moving forwards Is there any ⁓ final words you'd like to say to somebody who's listening or any advice you would like give somebody that is going through a major transition in their life? RO: Yeah, I mean... after yourself, self-care. mean, for me, what saved me in the darkest moments was walking. I was living by the sea at the time in Norfolk. So like just forced walk, I say forced, like, you know, literally just walk and just walk in all weathers. ⁓ in the grief around Ollie, ⁓ trying to walk for two hours a day, but I help it. It's processes your thoughts, it's the movement, it's looking up at nature. So... walking an intense self-care, if you can, and really almost diarising that self-care. I've got very into the Chinese side of healing and medicine, and that's been really helpful for me via Katie Brindle, if anyone's interested. But my other comment would be to zoom out, like zoom out on the situation and think, how is this gonna be in five years' time or two years' time? Think about... your life as a bigger picture. But equally, remember, I mean, in the darkest moments of navigating Oliver, losing Oliver, you know, I had to take it moment by moment, hour by hour, day by day. Whereas now I notice as my acceptance of him dying is becoming more, ⁓ is becoming softer, I'm able to think bigger in my life. I'm starting to, know, things are going in the diary a bit further forward and I couldn't do that at first. Surround yourself with a village and a tribe, like join things, find your sisters ⁓ keep connected socially, really important for longevity. ⁓ And work on your projects ⁓ ⁓ know, don't stay on social media all day and Netflix and YouTube and get out there and have the real conversation to me where it's with the people. ⁓ And you know, podcasts, and I just want to say what six years ago, that's when I really got into podcasts when I was really very low and transitioning with the loss of my partner splitting up. And that's when I discovered podcasts and we've got a fellow friend in our business group and I started listening to her podcast, and it feels like you've got a friend in the room. So start there and find a podcast. You might be into comedy ⁓ or you know, or whatever it is and ⁓ ask for podcast and swap them. And also make glimmers in your day, make your coffee or whatever it is, green tea ⁓ and take that moment for you and I've learned to love myself again, I think that's what it is. having a business that's starting to have impact and makes you fall in love with yourself more because you feel proud of it. And thank you for reflecting that back to me and mirroring and seeing me. for me now at my age and where I'm at, it's about impact and legacy. And, there's a lot of... I mean, as and know, know, women are not, we're still not equal and there's a lot more to be done. So, know, pressing play is such a fab tagline. ⁓ And, I hope I've shown you an OK example of pressing And it's so nice to share the story and delighted to be here. And please, anyone, reach out to talk to me. Very happy to have a conversation with anyone who's curious. And I'm open to the ripple effect your podcast. So congratulations on Pressing Play podcast. Jo Fiddy: And it's just been such an honor to have you here. are, you weren't just okay, you were inspirational. You were sensationally incredible. ⁓ You really, really ⁓ Before I release you back into the world, we have one question we're asking all guests. ⁓ And that is right now in this chapter of your life, ⁓ are you pressing play? RO: I am continuing. to focus 100 % on myself. Because when I put the love back into me, that... helps everyone else around me because I'm a better person. And I think we can avoid doing that because we think it's selfish or we're women and we're taught to be small. I mean, I was in London at the weekend with a great friend doing a musical event. when someone comes up to you and says, ⁓ I love your energy, can I talk to you? That's when you know you're starting, you know, it's healing, it's a healing energy. And it's how can I help other people as well? So I just, I'm owning myself and enjoying that journey. And ⁓ I guess I'm only beginning. ⁓ And where will I ⁓ in three years when I'm 60, who knows? and I'm also doing it, I'm also, Oli, Oliver, my son who died, he loved the fact that I was becoming entrepreneurial. And he said, ⁓ you're the first one in our family, in our family, And I'm doing it for him as well. It's, ⁓ fire ⁓ that. And I want to be successful for him and he would be proud. ⁓ I'll just end by, if you don't mind, this is a little sign that I printed off. back to the Chinese stuff, Feng Shui. And I have this in the kitchen and one upstairs in my study. And this is the Rising Phoenix. So for anybody interested, if you print one of these off, you just Google it and print it off. This is the kind of energy, it is, I mean, I did rise from the ashes. ⁓ It dark and so that hope is really important. So let's end on hope and love. Jo Fiddy: Hope and love. Roanna, thank you so much for being here on the Pressing Play podcast, sharing your story so beautifully, so authentically, and it means so much to you that you're here. RO: Jojo, it's been wonderful and love to everybody. Have a fabulous week.