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A Deadly Mix? Meth and Medication in the Reiner Case | The Rob Reiner and Michele Singer Murders · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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The more time passes, the more we learn about the condition of
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Nick Reimer, right? Why do I always say Reimer?
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Reiner. I know why I say Reimer because
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I have friends in high school. Last.
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Well, elementary school, middle school, high school.
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OK, take two. We're going to cut this out.
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Everybody take 2. The more time passes, the more
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we learn about how dangerous the situation was with Nick Reiner,
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with the change of his medication, with all of the
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mental health crises that he'd been going through, with the
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addictions. And I think it was just a
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perfect storm. And of course, it's very easy to
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say in hindsight because we have two people who are dead.
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We're going to talk about it. We're going to do our very best
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to temper our speculation with compassion, with humanity.
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So let's get into it. This video contains mature
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themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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Viewer discretion is advised. Well, hello there, my friend,
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and welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
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Gavin Fish. Thank you very much for joining
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We're all coming together from all over the place to talk about
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what what are we here to talk about?
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We are talking about the case of the murder.
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Well perhaps Gavin if you are to start the OBS camera.
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There we go. The murder of Hollywood legend
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and icon Rob Reiner an equally important, though probably not
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as well known to most of us his wife Michelle Singer Reiner that
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produced the photographer. These two folks met there in
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last last month and their son Nick has been charged in their
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murder. Now we've learned a lot over the
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course of the last almost just over a month.
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The Rhiners were killed by Sharp Force instrument on December
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14th, if memory serves, of 2025. Now the I guess the main thing
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that that has caught me this week and we haven't talked.
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I mean, we have we have talked about this, this case in
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headlines, but we haven't done a full video about this case in
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quite a while. And so I'm playing catch up.
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And you you'll notice with me that I'm really not the guy who
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breaks news, right. I'm not, I'm not the breaking
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news guy. I'm not the guy who's right on
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top of things. This stuff came out a couple of
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days ago, but it's important nonetheless and I definitely
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want to talk about it. Let's see as a recap, as I guess
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is it, I don't know. I don't know if this we all know
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the case that we're talking about, but Nick, their son, had
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been suffering from substance addiction since he was a
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teenager. And the Reiners had tried all
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sorts of different things, including, you know, checking
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him into outpatient facilities, checking him into swanky
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facilities, trying to reason with him, just trying to be good
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parents with him. And it sometimes worked.
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And then, then he would fall off the wagon as as many.
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In fact, I think it'd probably be easy to say most addicts do
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because it's it's a hard thing to kick addiction, man.
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It's a very, very hard thing to kick addiction.
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But add into that that he also suffered from from other mental
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health crises. In fact, we learned this week
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that he was in a conservatorship starting in 2020 for his own
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well-being. So yeah, this kid struggled.
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Well, he's a young man. What?
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I'm not, I shouldn't be calling him a kid.
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I'm not doing that to deminuize, deminuate to diminuify What?
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You guys know what I mean? The person just but from the
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time he was a kid, the Reiners tried and tried and tried and
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tried. And I'm sure many of you who are
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watching right now can empathize with the struggle that the
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Rhiners had raising this young man.
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I can't even imagine. I remember in our three question
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segment yesterday, you guys asked me if I had ever had to do
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tough love with my with my adult children.
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And I never have. And it's I think that that is
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probably, well, it's a blessing. I'm probably in the minority,
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right? And knock on wood, it doesn't
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have it might have to have to happen eventually, but the
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Rhiners had tried all sorts of stuff here.
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Now, I want to show you guys a video that came out a couple
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days ago. It's from TMZ.
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Now, before you go, Gavin, it's TMZ.
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Yeah, I know. I know.
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It's kind of gossip. I know.
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It's totally a gossip publication.
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I get it. It's a celebrity in a gossip
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publication. But when they're right, they're
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right and I think they got something right.
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And I definitely want to talk about it with you.
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A couple of early comments I saw as I was going through here,
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Susie Savage says, Gavin, I absolutely adore how you speak
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on cases so full of warmth and understanding, which is so often
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lacking in the trigram space. Thank you.
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I appreciate the compliment. I try on this channel to learn
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something every time we look into a case or look into a facet
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of a case, cause many of these are multifaceted.
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They're like cushion cut diamonds, man.
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So, yeah, I, I, I try to learn something every, every single
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time. And I don't necessarily try to
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teach anything because I don't know that I'm qualified for
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that, but but I definitely try to learn from these cases.
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Mommy of 394 says he's been troubled for so long.
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Such a sad case. Sometimes you can do everything
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and you can still fail. That's true.
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That's true, Miss Chivos, Dragon says.
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I think, Jim, I think Nick jumped off the wagon because he
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thought that's where his true self was.
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My take from Dopey podcast yeah, I, I, I want to say this with
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compassion, but also holding accountable person who should be
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held accountable. Kicking addiction is a very
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difficult thing. Very, very difficult.
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And sometimes now I know in Nick Reiner's case, it was kind of a
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kind of a rebellion thing. He's talked about it on
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different podcasts. And yeah, he's he said that that
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it was kind of a kind of a rebellion thing.
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But I also know of people that get that have gotten hooked from
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a prescription medication or from just one stupid decision as
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a teenager at a party or something like that.
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So it's very, very difficult to kick the addiction.
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However, that's not an excuse for definitely not an excuse for
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murder, right? Yeah, just the the case is just
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sad all the way around. And like I said, we're going to
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try to just stay compassionate, stay human in our coverage here,
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though we are going to be heading over to a TMZ video,
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which admittedly is gossipy, but I still think it's worth the
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look. See, because when you hear
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truth, it's truth sometimes, sometimes the source isn't isn't
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the perfect source. And I don't, I feel like I'm
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putting down TMC. They do, they do pretty good
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work. It's just a very gossipy place
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and that's how it's designed. But anyway, this is from the
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12th. So four days from four days ago,
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from the time that we're making this video, it is about it's
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almost 8 minutes long. It features the TMZ crew plus
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doctor Drew. We're going to have a look see
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right now. Let me make sure that my audio I
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I, I tried bumping up the audio. Well, no on TMZI had to bump
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down the audio. It was it was blaring, but maybe
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check your headphones real quick before I started in 3/2 here we
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go. Come to TMZ Live.
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So we had our documentary air Friday night on Fox News on Hulu
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right now about Nick Reiner and we.
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I started watching this documentary on Hulu, by the way,
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but I couldn't I I it just doesn't seem like a documentary.
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It seems like a gossip column put to video with with dramatic
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music behind it. So it didn't feel all.
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I don't think that they're going to be getting any best
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documentary awards for it. I I couldn't last five minutes.
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But anyway, let's continue. Told you on TMZ Live last week
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that the thing that may have taken him into this fatal spiral
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was that they changed his meds for a mental condition called
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schizoaffective disorder. They changed it about a month
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before. Rob and Michelle were killed,
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and now we know. And there are, there are lots of
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different media outlets that are reporting this, but I think TMZ
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was the first one to report it. And I think some, well, a lot of
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the outlets really just kind of attributed or sourced TMZ for
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that. But I have seen articles in the
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LA Times. Let's see, I I remember
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specifically the LA Times, I think maybe the New York Times
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as well that have confirmed that with other sources.
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Why they changed this had been the big mystery and the reason
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that they changed it, Well, we unlocked this pretty late last
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week, right before the documentary went to air.
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And we got to thank one person in particular we got to thank
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for helping us unlock this. And that would be Doctor Drew.
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We had a conversation with him last week about this and when we
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didn't know what it was. He gave us, he gave us a couple
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of fear of typical side effects, sexual dysfunction and weight
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gain, and we went back to our various sources and we were able
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to confirm that it was indeed weight gain that Nick Reiner
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apparently had complained that he had gained weight, which he
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had by being on these drugs. Doctors are common.
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So let me just pause on this for a second.
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What they just said, you heard it.
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I don't know why I have to repeat this, but just so that
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we're on the same page that the medication that he had for his
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schizoaffective disorder, we've heard two different things.
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Schizophrenia, we've heard schizoaffective disorder.
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I think most, most reporters are landing on schizoaffective
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disorder. And honestly, I don't even know
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the difference between the two. Oh, yeah, they, they seem so
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similar to me. But the side effects to the
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drugs that he was taking, the known and common side effects
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are sexual dysfunction and weight gain.
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And according to TMZ sources, anyway, Nick Reiner was
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experiencing weight gain and didn't like that and so was
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working with his physicians to, to change his, his medication.
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Now they're going to get into this.
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So I probably shouldn't, I shouldn't, you know, foreshadow
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this or put the cart before the horse or whatever metaphor you
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want to say. I, I just don't think that Nick
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was clean from illicit drug use. I, what do I base that on?
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I don't have any, I don't know this, this is just my gut
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telling you this and I don't have any qualifications to, to,
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to do this. It's just what I think.
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I don't think that he was off of illicit drugs.
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And again, I don't blame him. It is so hard.
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It is so hard to kick them, man. So, so, so hard.
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But if your doctor doesn't know that you are also, you know,
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doing math or doing other opioids or doing other illicit
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or hard drugs, I don't know that anything that they did was going
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to help him avoid what eventually police say he did.
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So yeah, let. Let's continue.
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Dated him, changed the meds and he went out of his head.
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Right, so I, I now I have now that we know what it is, we have
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a few more questions. So joining us once again, Doctor
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Drew, welcome back to TMZ Live, Girl.
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It's good to see you guys, Harvey.
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So we now know that weight gain was the reason for the change.
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The meds that they put him on sent him into a terrible spiral.
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So given that it's one of the normal side effects to this,
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what should doctors have done? Should they have said, OK, we'll
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try something or you're stable on the meds you're taking,
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you're going to have to deal with it?
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That's an interesting question. And again, it kind of feels
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like, hey, let's find a doctor to blame here.
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But I still think it's a valid question, right?
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That, I mean, they changed his meds.
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He reportedly went coconuts. Let's see what Doctor Drew has
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to say. Well, fascinating question.
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Obviously, in retrospect it was a bad choice, right?
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That's a very easy position for us to take now, but at the time
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it is completely legitimate. You can't allow our medication
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to ruins a person's life, either their health, their physical
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health because they're becoming obese, or their interpersonal
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lives because they have severe sexual dysfunction from the
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medicine. And they'll stop them on their
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own oftentimes because of these side effects.
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And that's often how people end up out on the street.
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But here's what's interesting. This is the part you've not
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brought up yet. I've been speaking to some just
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coincidentally I had to I was talking with a a young
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psychiatrist just out of training and he said, you know,
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we are adding GLP ones in almost immediately with some of these
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medicines to try to prevent this weight gain we.
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Talked about that this morning. About whether or not that was
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going to be the next question, whether that's something that
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you can take at the same time without others.
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Yeah. I wonder if the weight gain is
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simply that it creates an appetite, that these medications
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create an appetite because GL1S, as I understand are are designed
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to suppress appetite. They're very interesting.
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Side effects. You, you can't well, as far as
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we again, that whole story has yet to be told.
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Trust with their side effects there that will be publicly
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known soon. But yes, you there's nothing
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special about the setting of these psychiatric medications
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and it does work and it should be contemplated.
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And again, I'll remind you it was a younger psychiatrist that
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told me this guys my age may not think about that.
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Huh. That is fascinating because we
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talked about that this morning, right about that and we thought
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it might get in the way of the efficacy of the cocktail.
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Apparently not. I have no direct experience with
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that. That's why we were talking about
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it because I was. There's certain meds you can,
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almost all of them can cause weight gain.
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Let's face it, but some really 'cause weight gain and it's
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dangerous, it's not OK and we have to make it.
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We have to do better. And the GLP ones are.
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That is a perfect setting for it if it's going to work.
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In other words, we have a serious medical illness, Skiso,
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affective disorder. We have medicine that it could
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potentially precipitate another serious medical problem,
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obesity, diabetes, God knows what.
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And then you have the risk the GLP ones which are well worth
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taking in that setting. Yeah, so very interesting the
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the Doctor Drew's position, as I understand it is that no, the
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the doctors changing his medication because of weight
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gain is a valid reason to make that change.
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I wonder, I wonder the the balancing act the doctors must
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feel on that though. And I don't think that.
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I mean, I don't think that the doctors knew.
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And I don't know, I just strongly suspect that Nick was
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continuing his illicit drug habit.
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That's my suspicion. I think Doctor Drew, when a lot
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of people heard this, this revelation that we found out
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that it was about weight gain behind the changing of the
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medications. I think for the average person,
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they think. Well, that's a vain A vain
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choice. Like if you have to weigh the
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two things that are more important, the weight gain or
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being stable mentally, that why don't the doctors say, we
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understand you're uncomfortable with the weight gain and we'll
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address that. But right now we need to get the
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the mental health side of this under control.
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And I. Would.
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Yeah, Charles, your point is well taken.
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And I would just say historically that's what we did.
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We would just say, oh, you suck it up, you know, which is
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really. Wrong.
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It's just not. Right.
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And we can do better and we should do better.
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And what we end up doing, I, I'm usually it's the combo of sexual
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dysfunction and weight gain that really patients go, no, I, you
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have to change this. And, and we're, we're
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sympathetic. We don't want to make them
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miserable. And usually there are ways to
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navigate that. Usually you can find something
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it's it's really again the kind of violence that was on display
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here to me still reads methamphetamine.
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I keep saying that over and over again.
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It's not enough to have decompensated skiso effective
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the level of the violence and when he was.
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This part is really important. Listen to this.
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Picked up. It's worth trying to understand
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what part of town was he in? What was he doing there?
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You know, was he near? Was he near MacArthur Park?
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It was. It was a drug den.
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It was a it was a drug den. Guess what?
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That didn't start that night, That didn't start that.
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That's probably he needed more and he went to get more.
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Probably. I don't have any direct
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knowledge of this, but it just it's methamphetamine is the drug
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of violence. Bang right there.
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OK, now this seems intuitively true, but I hadn't actually
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heard that before. Methamphetamine is the drug of
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violence. So I did a little bit of
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research we're going to get into and it's not going to be deep
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research guys, OK. And it's not like I'm I'm an
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addiction specialist nor a researcher.
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But let's but we will get into just a little bit about this
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whole idea that does methamphetamine cause a person
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to be more violent? And Doctor Drew here is like,
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look at where he was picked up and the, the, the violent nature
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of the murder screams methamphetamine to A, to an MD
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that specializes in addiction. So we're we're going to get into
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that here in just a bit. And if you have a schizo
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effective on top of that, the violence can be extreme.
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Well and he had used meth in the past so a lot of people are
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commenting. And he had said publicly that
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he'd use methamphetamine. Wondering when he starts
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spiraling, why didn't doctors put him back on the meds that
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kept him stable? We we need more information to
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understand what happened there. We don't know, right?
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It could be 1,000,000 reasons. He could have not, He could have
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refused to see the doctors. He could have refused to follow
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the doctor's direction. He could have been out on drugs
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and the doctors were saying, hey, you got to go in.
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We got to deal with this first. I, there's, there's literally
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100 things I can think of that could have been going on there.
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So that story will have to be told.
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I don't even want to speculate. There's so many possibilities.
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But is it common or something that happens sometimes that
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where patients, if the patient isn't forward because they're
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not under 24 hour care, they're not being watched all the time.
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If the patient doesn't share how they're feeling or these changes
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sometimes I would imagine it's hard for doctors to know.
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Well, especially when you want to keep doing drugs if you're if
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you're a drug addict, the our job is to see through all the
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lies and obfuscation and try to figure it out.
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But yeah. And again, I brought this up
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last time we had this conversation, The state of
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California does not give us many options.
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It really doesn't. We are, We are patients are at
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their liberty to get sick and we we privilege psychiatric illness
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that if a dementing illness caused the exact same symptoms,
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we're obliged to treat with the symptoms from a psychiatric
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illness. Same symptoms, disorganization,
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delusions, out of the street without your clothes on,
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Whatever it is well that you don't cut, you can't touch.
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That's interesting. I I don't, I want to know more
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about that specific to the state of California.
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Like what is what does he mean like that?
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What does he mean about that? I I'd like to know more.
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You can't touch. Yeah, it's interesting too,
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because we're told he is still just spiraling in jail and we're
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told pretty clearly not competent even to stand trial.
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Drew, we always love having you on.
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Thank you so much. OK.
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Thank you. So that is the video that I want
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to show you guys. Let me see what your comments
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are before we move on to the research that I did.
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Let's see. Got lots of comments tonight.
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Ogs. Scotch's mom says
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schizoaffective disorder is a combination of schizophrenia and
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bipolar disorder. Wow.
26:15
Yeah, Anonymous also says the same thing.
26:17
I believe schizoaffective disorder is a combination of
26:19
aspects of schizophrenia and another disorder, bipolar I
26:24
believe. And welcome from Scotland,
26:26
Polly. Thank you.
26:30
Autumn says don't they usually do blood work before giving meds
26:32
like those? That is an excellent question.
26:35
See, this is where my naivete really shines through because I
26:41
don't I've never been in that realm myself, right?
26:46
Not myself, not my spouse, not our children.
26:49
Again, knocking on wood, not anybody close to me.
26:53
I'm not sure Autumn, you'd, you'd think though, right, If
26:58
you're if you're dealing with somebody who is, who is an
27:01
addict has known and well documented public addiction that
27:08
they would to make sure that there's no, I guess medication
27:14
right. What what do they call that
27:16
where two medications don't don't work well together?
27:21
Let's see God secretary says I was watching Nancy Grace the
27:25
other night and she had a therapist on there.
27:26
She said that most of the time they'll add GLP ones and not
27:30
switch the meds. Oh well, how interesting is
27:32
that? Because from what we understand,
27:34
there was a Med switch, right? Instead of just adding of the
27:40
GLP ones. A nanny Mao says antipsychotics
27:44
are known for causing lethargy or lethargy.
27:47
However you pronounce that weight gain, sexual dysfunction.
27:50
But many people also report a flattening of their personality,
27:53
especial by especially bipolar patients.
28:00
Gavin, I still have issues with TMC says TMZ says money, not
28:03
TMC. That's that's that's something
28:06
different. TMZ after they showed only a
28:10
partial video that Amber Heard gave them about Depp, they
28:14
wouldn't show the whole video showing her laughing at the end
28:17
of the secret filming. Yeah, they are a TMZ is a yeah,
28:26
it's a gossipy kind of tabloidy publication.
28:29
But again, like I'm if if they've got something right, I I
28:36
think that we should probably take a listen.
28:41
Oops refresh if I hear let's see carrots and other veg says
28:49
schizoaffective disorder is schizophrenia plus a personality
28:52
disorder. I don't want to contradict
28:54
Scotch's mom, but it's not necessarily bipolar.
28:56
Thank you. D9072 says I believe he was
29:00
using it is still interesting to figure out how they will
29:02
proceed. Now if the meds had a part along
29:05
with the drugs. How do you prosecute a situation
29:08
like that? Well, and remember, Mr. Jackson,
29:13
at this press conference from this photo, he had a very
29:17
powerful statement and but it was it had a very important
29:23
qualifier when he said according to the laws of the state of
29:28
California, Nick Reiner is not guilty of murder.
29:33
And then he indignantly said, print that, print that, which I
29:36
thought was a little over the top, Mr. Jackson, especially
29:39
considering that I thought that the the report, the reportage
29:44
has been quite good in my opinion.
29:48
But yeah, how do you prosecute that?
29:52
The prosecution believes they've got a case, right?
29:55
I mean, they're bringing a case and they have to believe that
30:01
they are right. Otherwise they're, they're
30:03
violating every prosecutorial ethics that were ever written.
30:10
That's overstating it, Gavin. They're they're violating like
30:14
the the prime directive of prosecution Pearl snap, says
30:20
Gavin. I wish there was more focus on
30:21
healing mental health, aiding people with mental health
30:24
concerns as a society. I believe the research and goes
30:28
in the wrong direction. We have self driving cars,
30:31
etcetera. Yeah, I, I hear what you're
30:34
saying that I think the issue is that societally speaking, we
30:38
don't agree on the best course of action for like we don't
30:43
agree on what the cure is. Now I'm a person who kind of
30:47
fled California, right? I, I was raised in California
30:50
and my wife was born and raised there.
30:52
We had all of our children there and I, and I don't want to wax
30:57
political because politics was just very a small part of why we
31:02
left. But it was part of why we left
31:05
the city that just the little town that I grew up in gave so
31:10
much deference to people being able to live on the street,
31:17
live, live in a very unhealthy manner for themselves and for
31:22
other people around them. And I I just didn't like having
31:26
to step around the human waste and I didn't like to have to
31:33
shield my children from that stuff.
31:35
I wanted to go to a place that had a, a better grasp on things.
31:39
But the, the situation in California that I just described
31:43
came from a place of really good intention.
31:46
That's the thing came from a place of good intention, but I
31:50
think it's, I think it's just not only is it bad for the
31:53
state, for the citizenry, but it's bad for the people who are
31:59
living on the street Like that fact.
32:02
I wouldn't call him a friend. I would call him a Co student
32:08
that I went to high school with. I didn't particularly like the
32:10
guy. I love his parents, I love his
32:11
sister, but I didn't like that guy.
32:17
You know, he's a friend, a friend.
32:20
I don't know what to call him, but he died on the street in my
32:24
hometown. He OD and not long before he did
32:31
that, I was visiting my folks back in California and ran into
32:35
him and had like a conversation with the guy that was maybe the
32:38
most beautiful and honest conversation I'd ever had with
32:41
him since I met him when we were maybe 10 years old.
32:45
So like, you know, he would, he would likely still be alive had
32:49
he gotten the help that he needed.
32:51
And it would have had to have been tough love, right.
32:53
So that's the that's The thing is that we don't all agree.
32:58
And there might, there might be people that are watching me
33:01
right now that are going Gavin is just out of his mind if he
33:04
believes it that way. And that's my point.
33:06
We don't agree, right? We don't agree on what the, what
33:10
the cure is for this social disease that we have.
33:14
And I, I currently live in a place where the opioid epidemic
33:20
of the early 90s came through like freaking Noah's flood.
33:25
And a few years later the, the main industry packed up and went
33:31
to Texas and just just destroyed people's ability to, to earn a
33:37
living and have jobs. And so I live in a place where
33:41
there's just so much rhyme because of everything that has
33:48
to everything that an addict must do in order to feed their
33:50
addiction. So I mean, I see these things
33:54
and I'm not naive to them, but how do we, how do we fix the
33:59
problem? We all see it from so many
34:01
different sides. It's tough.
34:04
It's tough, man. Let's see, analytical one says
34:09
Gavin. Meth caused my nephew to
34:11
hallucinate and those hallucinations caused him to act
34:14
out violently, fought through pain of being tased.
34:19
And we're going to talk about this just a little bit more.
34:21
Thank you very much. Let's see.
34:25
Marianne Leary loves my soothing voice.
34:27
Well thank you very much and welcome from New Jersey.
34:33
Adam or Alan Jackson. He is rather over the top though
34:37
he is an effective lawyer. I agree with you there.
34:43
Anonymous blood tests are frequently for liver or medical
34:46
issues. They may track medication level
34:48
to make sure an effectual level is obtained.
34:51
They can also test for illegal drugs, but they don't test
34:55
often. Thank you Carrots, another
34:58
veggie. In my opinion, the pharma
34:59
industry really needs to work on improving meds for
35:02
schizophrenia, psychosis. The current meds slow people
35:05
right down. Ohio Paw mom says a lot of the
35:10
problems started when the government defunded mental
35:12
health hospitals but didn't fund community clinics.
35:14
Yeah. I mean, there are just issues
35:17
all over the place now. And thank you for those comments
35:21
because I, I love the thoughtful commentary that we have in the
35:24
live chat and in the comments after the show, after the show
35:29
was in the can, so to speak. You guys are you guys bring
35:36
insights that I just typically don't have myself.
35:38
So thank you for that. You guys are awesome.
35:41
OK, I want to bring up just and again, there might be heavy eye
35:49
rolling here because this is not deep research.
35:53
I did not deeply research this. I just went to Google and I said
35:58
does methamphetamine cause violence?
36:00
And that took me to several places where there, I mean, it
36:05
is well studied. It is well studied starting the
36:09
earliest study I found was in the 90s, but I'm sure there are
36:13
earlier ones. Bring you over here.
36:17
I'll just show you a couple methamphetamine abuse, violence
36:20
and appropriate treatment. What is ojp.gov?
36:24
Give me a second. This would be ojp.gov is the
36:31
Office of Justice Programs, the United States government and I
36:38
found a journal, Valparaiso University Law Review Volume 31,
36:42
Issue 2 from spring 1997 and it says this paper shows that
36:47
methamphetamine, which is predominantly used by
36:50
Caucasians, is a prototypical drug that causes violent
36:53
behavior. It says further chronic abuse
36:58
can lead to a dose related stimulant psychosis
37:02
characterized by intense paranoia with ideas of reference
37:06
and out of control rage coupled with extremely violent behavior.
37:12
MA dependence is a serious problem in the United States
37:14
that has historically occurred in waves that resemble patterns
37:19
seen in epidemics of infectious disease.
37:22
In addition to the role of of amphetamines in violence,
37:26
alcohol sharply diminishes impulse control and stimulants
37:29
can produce paranoia and lead to preemptive violence, like not
37:34
even reacting to anything, but preempting anything.
37:40
It's very interesting to me anyway, that that finding in the
37:47
study. Here's one from the national,
37:50
what is National Institutes of Health?
37:54
I believe this is from 2014, yeah, 2014 titled Does
38:01
methamphetamine use increase violent behavior?
38:03
Evidence from a perspective longitudinal study.
38:07
And then I just, I just highlighted the findings and
38:11
conclusions. There was a dose related
38:14
increase in violent behavior when an individual was using
38:17
methamphetamine compared to when they were not.
38:20
After adjusting for other substance use substance use in
38:23
socio demographics. The odds of violent behavior
38:27
were further increased by psychotic symptoms, which
38:31
accounted for 22 to 30% of violent behavior related to
38:35
methamphetamine use. Heavy alcohol consumption also
38:39
increased the risk of violent behavior and accounted for 12 to
38:42
18% of the violence risk related to methamphetamine use.
38:47
There is a dose related increase in violent behavior during
38:50
periods of methamphetamine use that is largely independent of
38:53
the violence risk associated with psychotic symptoms.
38:57
So if he was in some some form of psychosis, the
39:04
methamphetamine use and the violence that comes from that,
39:09
it is largely independent of the other psychotic symptoms.
39:18
So, and then the third one that I found from the National
39:25
Institutes of Health, I think this one was 2010.
39:29
Comparative rates of violent crime among regular
39:32
methamphetamine and opioid users.
39:33
Offending and victimization Findings say 82% reported a
39:38
lifetime history of committing violent crime, 41% in the last
39:42
12 months. There were no group differences
39:44
in lifetime violence, but the meth group were significantly
39:48
more likely than the heroin group that had that two groups
39:52
here to have committed violence in the past 12 months.
39:55
The odds ratio was 1.94 to 1. The conclusions?
40:01
Regular methamphetamine use appears to be associated with an
40:05
increased risk of violent offending but not victimization
40:08
compared to heroin use. And you know my fear in this.
40:14
So I think the doctor Drew is right when he said
40:17
methamphetamine is the violence drug, right.
40:21
We again, we want to temper our speculation with compassion and
40:25
humanity. These are two people who are no
40:28
longer with us. They are mort and and in just
40:32
such a tragic and violent way. So I want to temper myself a
40:36
little bit with compassion, with humanity.
40:40
One of the things that I'm concerned about is that Mister
40:45
Nick Reiner is now in jail and he's awaiting, he's, he's
40:53
awaiting the the process right now.
40:57
During that process, he likely will have had some sort of
41:01
intake and intake observation, some kind of mental health
41:08
check, hopefully by professionals within the jail.
41:16
I, I deeply hope so. But a jail is not a place where
41:21
people get good mental health care.
41:25
It just isn't. And I was about to say, well, at
41:28
least he would be off meth if he were on that.
41:30
But it's in a jail. Maybe not.
41:34
That stuff makes it in there all the time.
41:36
So it's just, I feel like it's a bad place for him to be.
41:42
And I, I, I don't know in order to get justice in this case.
41:47
And what does justice look like? What if he was in, in a, let's
41:54
call it a psychosis that was electrically charged, violently
42:01
charged with, with methamphetamine use.
42:05
Let's say, again, I'm speculating here.
42:07
I don't know this what, what does justice look like the, the
42:14
prosecution is looking for put him in prison for the rest of
42:17
his life? And is that justice?
42:21
I mean, two people died. Is it justice or is he not
42:28
guilty by reason of legal insanity?
42:33
And could he spend the rest of his life out of society still,
42:44
but in a place where in a, in a place where he can get proper
42:49
care? Because I think if they find him
42:52
just straight guilty. And I worry about this guys
42:54
because I, I told you, I, I, in my day job, I report on, on
43:01
crime and on, you know, I, I cover trials here in Western
43:06
Pennsylvania. And I watched a guy who I was
43:10
convinced he had been diagnosed with schizophrenia.
43:14
And I, I was convinced that he was in a schizophrenic manic
43:17
episode or I'd, I'm not using the right terms when he
43:20
violently killed a man and the jury just found him straight
43:25
guilty. And I thought, well, that dude's
43:29
going to be suffering for the rest of his unnatural life.
43:34
And and while I think that there has to be accountability, I
43:42
think there also has to be help. I really do that.
43:48
That's just my perspective. Now we got a couple minutes.
43:52
Let me just check in on what you guys are saying here.
43:56
Let's see reading to plants 8955 says arguendo, what about
44:01
someone who voluntarily drinks alcohol and then drives and
44:04
kills someone? Same punishment As for someone
44:06
who voluntarily took meth and stabs his parents.
44:09
That's a that's a good argument. It it is a good argument.
44:15
I I do think though that, and again, this is coming from and
44:21
and this is just professional quibbling and doing so
44:23
respectfully, which is is totally cool.
44:28
I think that I think that we're missing the mental health angle
44:35
in this and, and all, you know, everything that goes with that
44:41
in this comparison, But I was just going to say the addictive
44:47
nature of it, but alcohol is addictive.
44:49
I don't know that's a good argument.
44:51
It's it's just missing the the mental health component of it.
44:57
But but like I see your point and and I think it's a great
45:02
point. Pretty red 60 goes Gavin.
45:06
It gives me chills thinking about how horrific Rob and his
45:09
wife died. He deserves prison if for no
45:11
other reason he killed people paying for a treatment that
45:14
wasn't interested in rehabbing. I respectfully quibble with it
45:21
just a little bit. Pretty red, if I can just
45:26
quibble with it. I think.
45:27
I think that you are missing in the mental illness side of it as
45:30
well. I mean, maybe you're not.
45:33
Maybe you have considered that and are still like, no, he
45:36
should go to prison for the rest of his life.
45:38
But I do think that in in our prison system, there should be
45:42
some kind of rehabilitation component to it.
45:48
I really do, Grace Miata says. I believe they take blood and do
45:53
a heart test of some sort. My child had it done OK.
45:57
I saw one that didn't have a GF on it, but I can't.
46:05
Oh, he's in the mental health wing of the LA County jail.
46:09
So hopefully, if I, I take your word for it that he is and and
46:14
you're right, that has been reported and I want to bring up
46:18
victims a little more often here.
46:20
I don't want to be talking just about Nick, but I still as a
46:29
person, like I've, I've never been incarcerated, I've never
46:32
been imprisoned, but I've seen the insides of prisons and I've
46:35
talked to prisoners, even the mental health wing man.
46:40
I it's just not a place to to get the help that you need.
46:45
It's too slow. Maybe, maybe LA does a much
46:47
better job than than the jails and prisons out here in
46:51
Pennsylvania. And and if they do, I hope, I
46:55
hope so. D9072 says Gavin.
46:58
Society needs to come together and compromise regarding mental
47:01
health. It is real and there are real
47:03
solutions. We have to get past the stigma
47:06
and the shame. And I and I do I agree.
47:09
And I think that we slowly are, you know, for example, I think
47:15
when I was a younger man, it, it was almost like you would never
47:21
admit out loud that you're going to see a counselor or you're
47:24
going to see a therapist. You would never do that.
47:27
And now it is a thing where not only is it normalized, but it
47:32
almost feels like, well, good for you.
47:34
And, and man, maybe I want to try that.
47:37
You know, every, every person I've ever talked to in my
47:39
personal life that have that have shared with me what their
47:42
experience in therapy has been, has made me feel like, man, good
47:47
on you. That is really great for doing
47:50
that. That's one of the things about
47:52
the Ellen Greenberg case that like, let's find you somebody.
47:56
Let's find you some help. I thought that that was that was
47:59
wise and, and I was glad that Ellen was doing that and it's
48:03
one of the reasons why I don't believe she did to herself what
48:06
they say she did. So I, I think we are making
48:10
progress. I think progress is slow, but I
48:14
think we are moving in and in the right direction.
48:21
But guys, you know what we need to do right now.
48:26
Let me let me push all the right buttons.
48:29
Let's get in three questions. It's three questions with Gavin
48:32
Fish Pow. OK guys, 3 questions, this
48:40
segment. In this segment, I do solemnly
48:44
swear upon my honor that I will do my very best to answer
48:49
questions that you send in to me at the e-mail address on the
48:53
screen. Three questions at
48:54
gavinfish.com. Three questions at
48:56
gavinfish.com. Spell it out.
48:57
THREE questions at gavinfish.com.
49:02
You can send in. One you can send in 1000.
49:05
You can send them all together. You can send them one at a time.
49:08
What I will do is I will answer 3 every time we are together.
49:13
And so let's get into it. What are our three questions
49:18
today? Question #1 What is the
49:21
significance of the cork board with assorted pictures on it on
49:25
the wall behind you? Yes, this is an homage to the
49:30
television portrayal of a quote UN quote murder board, but it it
49:35
contains pieces of information and photos of of many of the
49:41
cases that are deeply important to me.
49:46
Judy Ann Hockery, who is down right there, She was the she was
49:52
the first case I ever looked into.
49:55
And true crime, of course. We got Amanda Winkowski up
49:57
there. We've got Ellen Greenberg up
49:59
there. We've got Madeline Soto, we've
50:02
got Adam Shaknei down there. Why am I, why am I blinking?
50:10
Adam Shaknei was held civilly responsible for the for the
50:14
death of Rebecca Zahau, a case that I looked into.
50:19
What else? David Elmquest.
50:21
Up there we've got the Zodiac. Carol Beth Hilburn, Nancy
50:27
Banalik. These are all cases that are
50:29
important to me and my wife has said that she is going to update
50:34
it from time to time though. And this is not a complaint
50:40
about my snuggly bear, my sweetie pie, my one and only.
50:43
She has yet to do that and her defense out of the two of us, I
50:49
think she works harder and longer than I do and, and I work
50:52
hard and long question #2 if you could go back to a period or
51:01
event in history for the day, where would you go and why?
51:04
This is a question that has come up a couple times since we
51:07
started. Three questions.
51:08
But since it came up again, I was like, yeah, let's let's
51:10
answer it. A period or event in history for
51:13
the day. Where would you go and why Well,
51:15
I would want it to be a safe place for me to be.
51:20
Let's assume that let's assume that I was like impervious to
51:26
being injured, killed, or even noticed while I was there I can
51:33
think of a couple things I. My grandfather landed on Omaha
51:39
Beach on D-Day and I, I don't want like, I, I can't remember
51:47
how many people landed that day. He was not like among the first
51:50
wave who fought, you know, from the water to the, to the wall,
51:57
because his job in World War 2 is he was a driver of tank
52:02
destroyers. So he had a tank destroyer that
52:05
he was part of that crew. So they, they came onto the
52:08
beach later that day. But I would love to just be a
52:14
family on the wall and witness the heroics that my grandfather
52:19
did in Europe. I think that would be amazing, I
52:27
think. I think also maybe if I could be
52:31
a family on the wall and they wouldn't see it, I would love
52:32
to. I would love to witness the
52:40
negotiation and the debate surrounding the drafting of the
52:44
Declaration of Independence because those the three main
52:47
characters, they're working on it.
52:49
Of course, we were talking John, John Adams, Ben Franklin and who
52:57
wrote the Declaration of Independence.
52:58
I, I blink like this sometimes. Thomas Jefferson, those were
53:04
three very opinionated and different individuals, and I
53:08
would have loved to see just how that debate and negotiation
53:14
worked its way through. It's an amazing document, guys.
53:20
As Americans, we should go back. I know you don't have to read
53:24
the entire Constitution, though it's not as long as you think it
53:28
is. But the Declaration of
53:32
Independence is a document that we should read every single
53:36
year, and I try to do it on July 4th.
53:39
I would love that question #3 Is there any burning desire to
53:44
visit a country in the world that you haven't already been
53:47
to? Where and why?
53:54
No, I don't have any real burning desires to visit any
53:57
countries that I haven't been to.
53:58
There's so many. There are what are there 198
54:02
countries in the world? I probably have.
54:05
I, I don't think I'm even close to half of those.
54:09
But I have been everywhere that I want to go, except for
54:13
Antarctica, which isn't a country, but I would love to
54:16
visit Antarctica. And I've never been to Alaska.
54:20
I, I would love to love to visit Alaska, but honestly, when it
54:23
comes to travel, I am a little bit travelled out.
54:25
I'm a little Rd. weary. I spent so many years just on
54:29
the road. And however, last year when
54:34
Kimberly and I, we went to London for crime con UK stayed a
54:38
couple days and then we just were like, off to Portugal we
54:42
go. Neither of us have been to
54:43
Portugal. It didn't necessarily have to be
54:46
Portugal. That was just a very, very cheap
54:48
way to travel. And, and as long as I'm with her
54:53
or other people that I love, I would go anywhere on earth.
54:57
That's how I feel about it. Those are your three questions.
55:00
Now listen, here's the deal that I didn't, that I didn't say in
55:04
the beginning and I should have said, I want to hear what you
55:07
guys have to say. How would you answer these
55:09
questions? The questions once again are,
55:12
well, you guys know the significance of the cork board,
55:15
but the two are if you could go back to a period in history for
55:19
the day, where would you go and why?
55:20
And is there a country that you would like to visit?
55:24
Where and why? And while you get your thumbs
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going and typing in to the chat, let's hop into headlines.
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How? OK, I've got three headlines for
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you that I want to just briefly go over.
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Headline number one, this came from a couple days ago.
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JP Miller granted a continuance in his federal case.
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You guys remember the case of Micah Francis Miller who whose
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death was ruled that she had, she had done it to herself
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though we learned as it was just so sketchy how Pastor Miller,
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the pastor Miller broke the news to his church that we all got
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very, very suspicious and, and started really looking at the
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good pastor and it turns out that he wasn't so good after
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all. And the federal government
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agrees with us. Here we go.
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Florence County, South Carolina court records show that John
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Paul Miller, Myrtle Beach pastor, has been granted a
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continuance in his case of federal charges filed against
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him. A judge arraigned the 46 year
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old earlier this week at the federal courthouse in Florence.
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Prosecutors said Miller admitted to hiring a private investigator
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to protect Mica from buying firearms, but actually hired the
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investigators to cyberstock his late wife over alleged adultery.
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The indictment also said he lied about damaging Micah Miller's
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tires on her car. The indictment comes two years
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after Micah's death at the Lumber River State Park in
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Robeson County, so he is out on $100,000 bond.
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The the disgraced pastor OK headline #2 this from yesterday
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Court documents shed light on relationship of mother,
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stepfather of missing Nova Scotia children.
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You guys remember the case of Jack and Lily Sullivan, the 2
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little kiddos that disappeared out of a rural and rather
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unkempt house in in Nova Scotia. This is one that has broken so
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many, so many hearts. And we all had questions about,
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I mean, it's kind of weird, right, that Malia just kind of
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disappeared and the stepfather was like, I'm the only one
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looking here. But anyway, so let let's hear
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what they have to say. From the CBC, newly released
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court documents in the case of Jack and Lily Sullivan offer
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more details on the relationship between their mother and
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stepfather leading up to the children's disappearance more
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than eight months ago. They've been missing since May.
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Their disappearance sparked an intensive grid search.
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Over the past eight months, authorities have brought in
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cadaver dogs, conducted interviews, polygraphs, so many
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tips. At the time of their
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disappearance, the children were living with their mother, Melia
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Brooks Murray, and stepfather Daniel Martel, and the couple's
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baby daughter. The family, including Lily and
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Jack, were last seen in public the day before the two children
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were reported missing. Newly released court documents
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in the case of missing blah, blah, blah blah.
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Why does it do that? They, they repeated themselves,
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OK, Provide a closer look to the relationship between their
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mother, Malia and stepfather, Daniel.
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As part of the case, police sought 12 search warrants
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between May and July. More details of those
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applications for warrants were laid out in court records that
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were obtained obtained by CBC News and The Globe and Mail this
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week. In those court documents, there
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are details of an interview conducted by police with Brooks
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Murray. She discusses her relationship
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with Martell, saying she moved in with him on his mother's
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property in Lansdowne around August 2023.
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She was asked if Martell was ever physically abusive.
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Malia said he would try to block her, hold her down and once he
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pushed her, the document said he would also take.
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She said he would also take her phone from her when she tried to
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call her mom, which would sometimes be physical and hurt.
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So yeah, looks like there were some physical issues going on in
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the Brooks Murray slash Martel household.
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OK, last headline that I have for you.
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Adam Bacharink has been ordered detained before his trial for
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the murder of his ex-wife Caitlin Tracy.
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The ex-husband of Caitlin Tracy, a Chicago woman found dead at
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the bottom of a Chicago condo building stairwell, has been
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ordered to be detained until his trial for murder.
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Adam Beckerink is charged with one count of first degree
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murder, according to the criminal complaint.
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And it doesn't really matter. We've covered this at length,
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but basically they accused him of throwing her over the rail of
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his 24th floor, like, you know, stairwell.
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Her foot came off. The impact was so hard.
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Anyway, blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah.
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Becker Inc was brought back to Chicago from Michigan where he
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was serving a 93 day sentence on domestic charges to stand trial
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on the murder charge. They just keeps going anyway.
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He has been held and they. The judge ruled the prosecution
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presented sufficient evidence that Beckerink should be
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detained, saying police witnessed him abusing his
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ex-wife, the DNA and Beckerink lying about when he last saw
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Tracy, among other things, and ordered him to be held in
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custody until his trial. The judge also ordered Beckerink
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not to have any contact with witnesses in the case.
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He's due back in court on February the 3rd.
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So those are your headlines, True crime.
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Headlines. OK, let's finish the show strong
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with some of your comments here real quick.
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Let's see carrots and other veg, says Professor Brian Cox said
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forward time travel is a proven reality given Einstein's theory
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of relativity. So maybe we can go forward.
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Gavin, you could do ASMR. Quite honestly, I, I've thought about
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it, but I, I just don't want another job.
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Speaking of crime Con asks Suzi Savage.
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Do you know if you will for sure be in Vegas?
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I do not. I have applied to be there, but
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I have so far heard crickets. I would like very much to be
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there. Carrots and other veg.
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One of the pleasures of living in Europe.
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You can go to other countries in an hour or two.
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Indeed, indeed. Jenna or Jenna.
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Jenna Clark. I I don't know how, I'm sorry.
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You could ask who would be in your cork board.
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Yes, indeed, who would be in your cork board.
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Let's see a couple other things. Emmy, you guys got to put GF,
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man. There's another country or
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island will be at Aruba, going to Aruba.
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Very cool. Jack and Lily Hart, yes.
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I hope I get a chance to go to Alaska too.
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Thank you very much. He's already doing ASMR. He just
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doesn't know it. That's funny.
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G smile, Sarah. I'd go to Australia, New
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Zealand. I lived in Alaska for a year.
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It was a remote island in the Aleutians.
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It was glorious. I bet it was.
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Susie says I'll be in Vegas with Cher.
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Hopefully I'll get to meet you this year.
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I hope so, too. I I Oh, yeah.
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Susie, you're with Cherlyn. Dale.
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I I I forgot that connection. Sherlyn's my buddy.
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I love her. All right, Polly's saying it's
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midnight where I am and Gavin's about to lull me off to sleep,
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so I will let you go. Thank you guys so much for
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spending your week with me. We'll be back on Monday.
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Same time, same channel. Remember, you can always reach
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me over at the old website gavinfish.com.
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Make sure I bring this up for you.
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Lots of different things on the side, including including some
1:04:00
very detailed case files. You can also reach me there and
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at you. Thank you very much for joining
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