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When Doctors Don’t Listen - The Cost of Being Dismissed · Shawna and LaLa: Life Beyond The Mic

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  Speaker 1: From the heart of the city, where the beat meets
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  Speaker 1: the rhythm of your day. It's shawna m. What's up.
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  Speaker 2: one two five.
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  Speaker 1: It is absolutely freezing.
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  Speaker 2: In here, outside, in here, everywhere, it's bone chilling. I
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  Speaker 2: hate it.
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  Speaker 1: I have not been outside in well, probably a few
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  Speaker 1: days due to my stomach issues. But yesterday I heard
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  Speaker 1: it was like five degrees out and.
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  Speaker 2: It felt like it was negative one you tell you
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  Speaker 2: that much.
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  Speaker 1: And this morning I woke up freezing and it was
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  Speaker 1: sixty eight in my house.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is that good or bad for your house?
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  Speaker 2: Because my house, my husband keeps it at sixty five. No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I had it up to seventy. Okay, it
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  Speaker 1: just won't go up that high. I don't know why. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I just turned it old now. But the studio
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  Speaker 1: is freezing and I keep the door shut.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cold in here. We had to bring
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  Speaker 2: in a little space heater because it is freezing.
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  Speaker 1: We got snow last week and I'm just over it,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely over it. I wasn't expecting it to snow Saturday
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  Speaker 1: and Sunday. Saturday, I knew it was gonna snow Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: It was a shock to me. And it just wasn't stopping.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty bad. I was driving because I had
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  Speaker 2: events this weekend, and the roads weren't even plowed out
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  Speaker 2: by me. I put a video up. It was insane.
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  Speaker 2: It was like they weren't touched all day most of
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  Speaker 2: the day.
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  Speaker 1: I saw the video you posted, and those were main roads.
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  Speaker 2: Main roads, yep, and there was cars and ditches. I
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  Speaker 2: don't And there's state roads too, so I don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we do live out kind of in the country,
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  Speaker 2: but still it's a state road. It should be taken
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  Speaker 2: care of.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, our road was pretty good. I mean they were
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  Speaker 1: going by every few minutes. It was actually quite annoying
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  Speaker 1: them going through, like in the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 1: early in the morning. But Route six I believe, which
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  Speaker 1: is the road next to mine, it's a state road
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  Speaker 1: and it was not plowed. But yet our road was.
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  Speaker 2: Which yeah, yeah, Well the state is slacking this year.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta say that much. They're really slacking.
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  Speaker 1: It was the Weather Channel. I will say that, like
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  Speaker 1: everything is just people don't want to do their jobs anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And I've had it, absolutely had The doctor finally called
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  Speaker 1: me back on Sunday night, and uh yeah. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: still trying to figure out what the hell is wrong
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  Speaker 1: with me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we'll ever know. I really don't, and I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think so either. I think it's good. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: be the medical mystery of the world. I think like
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  Speaker 1: that's what I'm just gonna be. We are expecting more
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  Speaker 1: snow this weekend, and you are leaving Brighton early for
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  Speaker 1: Cayman Islands.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited for multiple reasons. Number One, it's my
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  Speaker 2: favorite island in the world. You know how much I
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  Speaker 2: love it. I used to go all the time until
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  Speaker 2: COVID hit and shut down the poor little island. But
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  Speaker 2: that and number two, I this cold, this cold weather,
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  Speaker 2: I can't take it. And we're getting like you said,
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  Speaker 2: we're getting another huge storm. This is supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: the storm of the century. I think they're saying it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a storm that's talked about for years and
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  Speaker 2: years and years, just like the blizzard of ninety five.
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  Speaker 1: So the blizzard of ninety five, we were not here.
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  Speaker 1: We were in Disney World and my mom had to
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  Speaker 1: buy me a snowsuit to come home. No, in Disney
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  Speaker 1: because it was so cold.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh it was cold down there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So we were not here, but I vaguely
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  Speaker 1: remember it coming home. You know, my mom still talks
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  Speaker 1: about it. My cousin was staying at the house, and
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  Speaker 1: she shoveled a little, tiny path just so that we
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  Speaker 1: could get in and out. But do I actually like
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  Speaker 1: remember it. No, But I'm not excited about this no snowstorm.
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  Speaker 1: I really just want winter to be over. It's pretty,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't want to deal with it.
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  Speaker 2: Nah. It needs to be over because they're saying a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people might die in this storm because of
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  Speaker 2: think about it, the power goes out, especially down south.
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  Speaker 2: They're not prepared for that. They're not prepared for the
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  Speaker 2: cold temperatures.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna hit down south.
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  Speaker 2: It's hitting not just New York. It's hitting from Texas
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  Speaker 2: over so Florida, Texas, the Carolina's up to New York
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  Speaker 2: and they're gonna have freezing rain and sleet and ice
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  Speaker 2: down down south. That's gonna be dangerous. Their power is
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  Speaker 2: gonna be out for weeks, They're not gonna be able
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  Speaker 2: to drive on the roads. You know, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: they're saying. They're saying, there's gonna be a lot casualties
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  Speaker 2: if this storm hits the way they're predicting up here,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna hit with the snow and you know, lots
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  Speaker 2: of snow, which is dangerous in its own way too,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm glad I'm missing it. And then the other
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  Speaker 2: part of me, I'm nervous because I'm like, my pets
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  Speaker 2: are home. Is the dogs that are gonna be able
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  Speaker 2: to get to my house? Or if they leave? What
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  Speaker 2: if they you know, there's just so many things going on.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just over winter. I hope I can enjoy
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  Speaker 2: my vacation in the Caymans and not have to stress
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  Speaker 2: too much about what's going on over here.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Well, you have cameras so you could always
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  Speaker 1: check in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely, Wait, but if there's no power then no, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: those are my fears. It's the power going out, and
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  Speaker 2: then the chickens water freezing over and they're not having water,
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  Speaker 2: and then the dogs and cat freezing in the house
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  Speaker 2: and or my pipes burst. There's just so much. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when you're an adult, you gotta worry about so much,
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  Speaker 2: even on vacation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why my mom says, like, you never go
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  Speaker 1: away in the winter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard, but that's when you want to get away, right,
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  Speaker 2: I know exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So getting into our New year, New Year month, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to talk about my stomach issues again. And
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna change my diet. Not I think
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm going to change it. I am changing it,
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  Speaker 1: and I do see a little bit of a difference.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. And that's what we were talking about last week.
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  Speaker 2: Not shooting for the moon. Just shoot for some stars first,
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  Speaker 2: you know, take little baby steps and see those little
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  Speaker 2: small changes that happen, and then you feel you're more determined. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I made it this far, and let me get to
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  Speaker 2: the next step. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm drinking more water. I stopped all my supplements
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  Speaker 1: and vitamins for right now, just to kind of like
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  Speaker 1: reset my body. And I did a colon cleans the
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  Speaker 1: other day and uh, that was interesting. I forgot how
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  Speaker 1: much they they hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not fun, it's not fun. Anyone who's had
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  Speaker 2: colonoscopy or even a stomach bug, it's not fun.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not. And the mirror axe and the dulcal
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  Speaker 1: as really killed me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's meant to just flush out, so it's
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  Speaker 2: not your body's not used to that. That's not normal.
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  Speaker 2: So anything that's not normal is gonna be uncomfortable. It's
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  Speaker 2: gonna hurt, it's gonna be you know, make you feel
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  Speaker 2: sick because it's not a normal thing that goes on.
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  Speaker 1: So once I get over this hump, I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna go more holistic, you know, because doctors they can't
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  Speaker 1: figure it out, and healthcare has changed so much over
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  Speaker 1: the last few years. I think since COVID that you know,
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  Speaker 1: chat GPT is like my best friend, and the diagnoses
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  Speaker 1: right diagnosis, and you know, it tells you what you
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  Speaker 1: could do holistically, tells you, you know, don't worry about this,
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  Speaker 1: worry about that, and you know, it's just it's great.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great tool for information. And I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna go more holistic. And you know, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: cut out like taking a leave. I'm gonna find something
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  Speaker 1: different for like my muscle pain and just try to
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  Speaker 1: stick to all natural organic. I just ordered food from
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  Speaker 1: Thrive Market mm hmm, and uh, I'm not very happy
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  Speaker 1: with them. Why my food has not even shipped yet?
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, it's been days. I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what the typical thing is, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: But they are good. A lot of my friends use it.
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  Speaker 2: They get a lot of great snacks, healthy snacks. My
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  Speaker 2: sister uses it, that's where she gets all her food from.
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  Speaker 2: So I haven't I haven't jumped on the bandwagon. But
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  Speaker 2: they have no issues. So maybe it's the weather, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe it takes a few days off to ask them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, ask them because uh, I ordered this stuff over
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  Speaker 1: the weekend and it still has not shipped.
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  Speaker 2: Hm.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe I'm just so used to like having Walmart
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  Speaker 1: deliveries and.
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  Speaker 2: I think so, I think so.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe that's what it is. But I'm like anxious
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  Speaker 1: over here, like waiting and waiting and waiting.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I think that's the problem. It probably takes a
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  Speaker 2: few days. But yeah, like I agree everything. I think
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  Speaker 2: everyone should go more holistic. The crap we always talk
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  Speaker 2: about the crap in the food, the crap in the
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  Speaker 2: drinks that we're drinking the crap and the medication that
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  Speaker 2: we're taking. You know me, I am very I watch
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  Speaker 2: everything that goes into my body, into my kid's body,
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  Speaker 2: and I do cheat. I'm not, you know, it's not
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  Speaker 2: perfection over here, but I definitely read every label, and
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  Speaker 2: Strawna sees me, even in her own house, if she
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  Speaker 2: asked for something or I'm like, oh, let's eat this,
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  Speaker 2: I'm picking the box up, I'm picking the drink up,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm reading the food label on it to see.
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  Speaker 2: You don't really cheat though, when I say cheat, like
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  Speaker 2: I'll have coke here and there, and coke is so
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  Speaker 2: toxic for you, but I love my Coca cola, so
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  Speaker 2: if i'm out, I'll have a cup of it. Other
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  Speaker 2: Ways I cheat, like sometimes I have bad cereal. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a junk food eater. I don't like dessert, but
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  Speaker 2: I love cereal, so it's like my nighttime snack. And
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I cave and I get a box of Lucky Charms,
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  Speaker 2: which again is toxic for you and not good. But
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  Speaker 2: I'll i'll you know, that's where I mean where I cheat,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not everyday thing. I'll be like, Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: have two bowls a week, you know, when I have
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  Speaker 2: that box and then I'm done, and then for months
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  Speaker 2: I won't have it again. You know.
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  Speaker 1: So does the Lucky Charms have like the red dyes
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  Speaker 1: in it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's where I mean, I'm cheating because it's it
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  Speaker 2: has it's just horrible for you, absolutely horrible, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So I haven't done it in a while, but that's
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  Speaker 2: where I would cheat. Other than that, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 2: really like my kids. I don't have snacks in my house.
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  Speaker 1: No, you don't.
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  Speaker 2: You have nothing, nothing, And and when I tell people,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, what, But my kids grew up that way?
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  Speaker 2: If you, I see, it's harder for people. Like if
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  Speaker 2: you start your kids off or yourself off with lots
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  Speaker 2: of snacks in the house and then take them away,
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty drastic. But if you start from day one
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  Speaker 2: not having snacks in the house, no one expects it,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I know when my kid went to his
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  Speaker 2: first friend's house and he's like, oh my god, Mom,
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  Speaker 2: their cabinet has chips and cookies and can why don't
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  Speaker 2: we have that? And I'm like, well, because they don't
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  Speaker 2: eat very healthy and they're not healthy, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But but he was like it was glory.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And again I'm not crazy where I say you
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  Speaker 2: can't have any of that. Like if he's at a
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  Speaker 2: friend's house, he can, he can enjoy a junk food,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not going to have it in my house.
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  Speaker 2: So that I say, if it's out of sight, it's
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  Speaker 2: out of mind. You're not going to reach for it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, You're not gonna open the fridge and see
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  Speaker 2: soda there and juice there and go ooh, or I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna have that. If it's not there, you're gonna reach
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  Speaker 2: for water, you know. And that's that's just how I'm
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  Speaker 2: we raised our kids, and it helps, It really does
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  Speaker 2: help make cut down the bad decisions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now what do you do if you have like
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  Speaker 1: your friend's kids over that do have all the junk
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  Speaker 1: food at their house? Do they like enjoy being at
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  Speaker 1: your house or are they like I want to go
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  Speaker 1: home and have my snacks.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of times they're like they come down and like,
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  Speaker 2: do you have a snack? And I always pull up
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  Speaker 2: fruit like blueberries, grapes, strawberries, and I've that's always been
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  Speaker 2: a hit with most of the kids. There's some kids
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  Speaker 2: that never don't like fruit. But I'll make like a
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  Speaker 2: big tray of different fruits and they eat it and
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  Speaker 2: then they'll I'll be hungry, and I'm like, well, I
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  Speaker 2: can make popcorn. You know, popcorn is good. Oh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: popcorn is good. But yeah, I feel bad sometimes I'm like, sorry, guys,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have snacks here, but I'll make your fruit
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  Speaker 2: and I'll make you a nice Italian home cooked meal
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  Speaker 2: for dinner or lunch, you know. But yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: they're okay with They once to bring the fruit out
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  Speaker 2: and the popcorn.
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  Speaker 1: You know, well, popcorn is always a hit and it
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  Speaker 1: is great. I did not know this until a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago, but it is great for your digestive system.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the fiber maybe.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what I've been like, really like honing in
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  Speaker 1: on and buying is popcorn. I haven't had oreos in like, god,
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  Speaker 1: a month. Yeah, I really really miss them, like I
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  Speaker 1: really miss them.
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  Speaker 2: They might ive might have an oreo and a healthier oreole.
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  Speaker 2: You have to look it up and see they might
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  Speaker 2: have that.
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  Speaker 1: They do. They were like nine dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's a problem too.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get them this time, but I did get
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  Speaker 1: a more organic popcorn. So I'm just waiting for that
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  Speaker 1: to come in and next time I will order the
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  Speaker 1: the organic oreos oreos.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's what again. To help you stay
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  Speaker 2: on track for these New Year, New Me resolutions, give
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  Speaker 2: yourself little joys, little you know, don't just cut everything
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  Speaker 2: out and make your life miserable, because then you're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna stick to it. Make it attainable, make it okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna eat good all week and then Saturday, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna have those cookies, you know, give yourself that little
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  Speaker 2: prize at the end of the I fully believe in that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like My sister's opposite of me. She's very strict.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't she's she is so so healthy organic, Like
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  Speaker 2: if I make food and I don't use organic butter,
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  Speaker 2: she's like, she's like, did you feed my son? And
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  Speaker 2: I watch her son, did you did you use organic butter?
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  Speaker 2: Did you use organic milk? You know? And that's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit too far for me. I'm kind of like
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  Speaker 2: in the middle, you know. But yeah, don't you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to be like my sister. You could be give
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  Speaker 2: yourselves a little little break there and and splurge and eat.
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  Speaker 2: Don't eat horribly. But I think that helps you to
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  Speaker 2: get to where you want to be, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know with our with my
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  Speaker 1: reset that I'm doing. You know, I don't have an appetite.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't had an appetite for a month. And I
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  Speaker 1: lost two pounds. I went to the doctors last week
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, I lost a little over two pounds. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't know if that's a
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  Speaker 1: good thing or a bad thing, but I'm just not
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  Speaker 1: I'm not hungry. And when I am hungry and I
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  Speaker 1: do go to eat, I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good. That's not good because you have
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  Speaker 2: to be able to nourish your body with healthy stuff
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  Speaker 2: so that you're getting the protein and you're getting the
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  Speaker 2: calories and you're getting your blood sugar is not dropping.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, so it's you got to find something
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  Speaker 2: that works a little bit so that you're getting some
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  Speaker 2: substance in your body to fuel you, you know, because
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  Speaker 2: then you're gonna get sicker. And then besides, that is
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  Speaker 2: kind of finding i'd say more more holistic doctor, because
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  Speaker 2: it's not that Sean and I are anti doctor, but
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  Speaker 2: Seuna and I can tell your firsthand how doctor today.
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  Speaker 2: Really maybe maybe they've always been this way, but they
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  Speaker 2: really don't know a lot. Honestly. They're they're they're books smart.
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  Speaker 1: They're conditioned by you know, it's like drilled into their
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  Speaker 1: heads to think, I think a certain way or to
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  Speaker 1: only go buy the book. Meanwhile, you know, things change
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  Speaker 1: over the years. It's not a one size fit fits all,
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  Speaker 1: which we say that all the time, and it's really not.
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  Speaker 1: And I say that all the time to them. I'm like, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not your average thirty six year old female. I'm
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  Speaker 1: like the size of well like a seven year old.
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  Speaker 1: So you have to treat me as if I was
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  Speaker 1: the size of a seven year old. Not don't give
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  Speaker 1: me the dosage that you would give a thirty six
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  Speaker 1: year old female. You know that's five five.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: And that's the lacking common sense right there.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very like it's they're just stupid, Like open
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: up your eyes and you know, do some research and
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: don't let it be the patient's job to do the research.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: You're the doctor, yes, and do your job.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: And they just think, okay, this is not textbook. Well
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know. They throw their hands up and that's it.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Instead of looking at other avenues and we say every
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: day with Seana. Shanna was complaining of so many different
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: ailments and what was it with your thyroid? They get, oh,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: your thyroids, fine, your thyroids fine, it's not your thyroid.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't my thyroid. I I you know, I
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: had this like lump in my throat. Oh, well your
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: blood works normal, Well, everything's normal. Well they found the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: mass on my thyroid by a routine scoliosis MRI that
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I had because I didn't have it for so many
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: years that my neurologist was like, you know, let's do
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: an MRI.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: So they did an MRI and he came back and
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: he was like, did you know that you have this?
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And I said, no, that's scary.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Isn't that scary? So you have a patient going to
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: their doctor constantly, constantly complaining of all these ailments that
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: pertain to the thyroid, and all they do is blood
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: work and their blood work comes back normal, which it
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: does a lot, and because the doctors are so conditioned
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: to just look at blood work and look at their textbook, Eh,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: you're fine. Meanwhile, she had a tumor on her thyroid
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: and needed to have surgery to remove it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, because it's scary. It was growing rapidly, they said,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: So you know what could have waited? You know, it
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: just it got worse. And the other thing with blood
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: work that I'm finding out is that if you go
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: to Quest, if you go to Lab Corp, if you
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: go to you know, whatever lab you go to, each
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: lab is different. So they each have different grades I
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: guess okay or whatever you want to call it, like results,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and you know some of them are not optimal. If
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: that like, if you go to a holistic doctor and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, my labs are normal, it's like, no,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: they're not.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: So they all different ranges. You're saying different ranges. So
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: in in lab Quest the point I'm gonna say, twenty
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: five is normal. Then, but if you go to Quest,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: twenty five is a bad number. You're saying yeah, yeah.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: So like each each place is different. And then if
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you speak to a natural holistic doctor, you know they're like,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: oh no, and I have not spoken to one. I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: would love to. I would actually really like to get
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: one on the show. Yeah, but if I I've seen
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: so many videos on social media that you know they're
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: talking about other you know, blood work and they're like,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you know, it's opt it's in the rate, it's in
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the optimal range for you know, an m D doctor.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: But as a holistic doctor, no, your numbers should be
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yes, Like, for instance, my vitamin was
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: it my vitamin D level or vitamin B level, it
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: was too high. It was normal, in the normal range,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: but the doctor said it was too high and I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: needed to cut back on the vitamin D I believe.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: So instead of me taking it every day, I take
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: it twice a week and that gives me. I mean,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: my my range is lower, but it's in a more
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: optimal range, I guess. So even though my levels were
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: normal with me taking it every day, they were on
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the high side, yeah, rather than you know.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: But then if you go to a if you go
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: to a holistic doctor, they're gonna tell you screw what
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that the optimal number is you wanted to be higher.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: My brother just went through this. He went to see
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: in a holistic doctor and our levels of vitamin D
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: should be in the eighty nine to ninety range, and
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: but a regular MD doctor saying don't go above fifty.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: So it's it's that's what it's like you have to
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: find you got to do your own research, it seems
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: to see what is what is optimal, what is not
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: because the doctors or like eh, that's or sometimes they
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: blow you off too. If you have a blood result
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that looks bad to you and like lab quest is
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: saying this is abnormal, and you go to a doctor
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: like eh, it's fine.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the infection that I have, Yeah, yeah, I'm
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: fine though.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's what I mean. So it's it's it's
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: so hard to navigate your health. And it's not even
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: just in our country. It's just navigating your health with
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: all these different views and all these different the research
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: that's done out there. And I I fully believe you
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: don't have to be anti doctor, but I think you
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: need to have more opinions and more advice from different
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: types of doctors and kind of find your middle ground
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: of what fits, what seems right, advocating for yourself. We
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: always preach advocating for yourself and doing research, so we
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: have Back in the day, you had to trust what
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: your doctor said, everything that they said because you didn't
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: have any other way to know anything. You didn't have
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the internet, No, you had some encyclopedias. But you know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I remember my mom had a book I think it
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: was Doctor Spock and then these baby book and then
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: these other medical books. So if you had an ailment,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: you'd open the book and try and find what you
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: had and it would kind of give you a little bit.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: That's like the stony ages. Now we have everything that
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: our the doctors used to study. We have it at
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: our fingertips, so you can look up what did I
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: do for you at that time? The case study? Oh yeah, yeah,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I'm big on that. I'll go to case studies and
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: do my own research and bring it to the doctor.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And I did it for Shana. I was like, I
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: printed up a bunch of case stuff. But he's walked
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: in that doctor because he was trying to say that
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: nothing was going on. And I handed them to the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: doctor and he's like, I've never had a patient hand
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: me a case study before. It's like, well, now you have,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: because this is unfortunately what we have to do.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And he did the blood work that was.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: And I recommend it. Uh huh. So yeah, you know
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of people like to say that doctors went
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: to school and they know better than us. They've experienced
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: more than us, but we can find the same research
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: that they that they have righted our fingertips. We could
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: find the same exact case studies and research, so they
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: might have more experience doing things and seeing things, but
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: we can find the same research to kind of. So
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: that's what I always tell people. Do your research and
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: then figure it out.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: And don't let a doctor tell you not to use Google.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: My doctors they're always like, oh, you googled it, didn't you.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, but not only did I google it,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I researched it, you know, And I've printed stuff off
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and for my doctors and they like skim through it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: But I know they're not reading.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: They're not reading it because they they don't. They could
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: care less, like you don't know what you're talking about.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: It's like, how many times do we have to diagnose ourselves?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: How many times in my life did I go in
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: and diagnose myself because they couldn't figure out what was
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: wrong me? And then they're like, oh, yeah, that is
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: what you had. I can tell you I can count
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: on two hands how many times it's happened to me. Like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: that's that's scary that I had to diagnose myself, I know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and ninety I'm.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Gonna say ninety eight percent of the time we were right. Yes,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Like I know, Okay, I really thought I had the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: astro virus. Again, I did all the tests. I did
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: not have it. Okay, So what is causing this? I'm
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: thinking it's gastritis because that's also what I had last time. Yeah,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and it's every symptom that I have. So now I'm
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: like looking up like you, what can I do for
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: this naturally? And what can I do so that this
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: does not come back? My mom's friend I had written
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I wrote on Facebook like everything that I was going through.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I was so frustrated. And she wrote back and she's like,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I know how you're feeling. She's like, I've had about
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: with gas stritis for eight months long. And I said,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: oh my god, if I have this for eight months long,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: somebody freaking shoot me because this it's horrible. I would
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: not wish this pain on my worst enemy. It's horrible.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And eight months of going through that, like what are
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: they what? What is the doctor doing for you? Nothing?
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard, you know, as you see that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: they've they've tried throwing medications at you and it's not working.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So a lot of times it's not the doctor's fault.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: It's just I don't want them to give up on patients,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: that's all, you know, just throw their hands up and go,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know. So yeah, like my.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: One doctor, he's he's a great doctor. You know, he's
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: no longer at the practice. But he literally said to me,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: he's like, I'm not smart enough for you. He said,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you need to go to the city or to Westchester
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and you know, see somebody there. He said, I'm not
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: smart enough.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: At least he was honest. That's I'm fine with that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Be honest, but don't act like you're a god and say, oh,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: well you're fine, you know, just just go home and
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: let it run its course. Like yeah, that's where I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: get upset about it. So you know, we can go
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: on about this all day. We have stories and stories
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: because when you have healthy she was like Shanna has
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: since she was born and I've had since I was
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: seven years old, you learn very quickly how dumb the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: medical system is. And I'm not saying not to trust
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: doctors or not to go to doctors. You should, but
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: always keep an open mind and advocate for yourself, do
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: your own research, and don't think just what they say
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: is is that's it. Get other opinions, Go all the
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: different see all the different routes to make you healthy,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, you're the only
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: one who cares about yourself as much. You can't expect
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a stranger to you and your family are gonna care
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: about you more than a doctor who can just be like,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: all right, you know your your appointment's over. I'm done
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: with this. I don't want to deal with it anymore.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I've tried my best, you know so advocate.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: And you've also had doctors tell you not to go
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: see specialists.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah all the time. Well not all the time,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: but the one doctor, they just got upset when I
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: want to see a specialist, so like, well, what can
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: they do that I can't. I'm not I'm not giving
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: you a referral to go see them. And now I
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: get upset about that. Shana too, We went to ask
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: her doctor if she can get tested for certain genes,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: and the doctor gave her a hard time. Why do
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you want to test for that? You don't need to
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: test for that. That means nothing. I'm not I'm not
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: letting you tell you know why? What does it do
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to you as a doctor? Is it coming out of
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: your pocket that she wants you to give her a
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: certain blood test? What is it?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: What?
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I don't understand that don't you want to cover all bases?
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And that's where I get frustrated too. It shouldn't be
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: that hard to ask a doctor for a specific test
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and that they come up with a reason, a reasonable
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: reason why you should instead of just saying, nah, I
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: don't I'm not giving you that.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And she did give me the paperwork that I needed.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I did not know that she gave sent over the paperwork,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: but she did. And I went to the appointment and
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: guess what the genetics doctor said, I am a perfect
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: person to have genetics done. H And my father is
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a perfect cannedy and my mom because cancer runs in
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: both of our both sides of their family. And we
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: may get some answers as to why I was born early,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: why I have CP, you know, And I'm very excited, yeah,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: to find out because thirty six years ago, no one
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: knew what happened. They just knew I my mom was
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: going into labor and thought she had a miscarriage. But
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: yet I popped out.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's what I mean. So one doctor
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: said now, and the other doctor said, wow, I know
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: this is amazing, and we need to give you these
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: testing because this is you need this, yeah, and we'll
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: have answers. So that's where you go go find another
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: when a doctor tells you no, go get another doctor.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Find another doctor. Keep fighting for yourself.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And it's not even like you know, I get a
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: lot of people like you're a hypochondriac. No, I want
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: to know something is wrong with me and I need
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: to figure it out. Yeah, And that's the same thing
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: like with you, Like something was wrong with you and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the doctors couldn't figure it out, and then you were
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: like almost dying. And the doctor that me and you
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: both see now, he's the one that figured it out,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: right mm hm.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: He saved my life, my doctor and and I always
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: tell the story five doctors. You know. They always say, oh,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the more doctors agree, then you have to believe them.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: That's not true. You've I have probably heard this a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: bunch of times. I went into the urgency room with
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: severe pain. I felt like something popped in my stomach.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: They looked at a cat scan, they sold that I
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: had a hole in my colon small, it was a
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: little bit bigger than a pin hole. So five doctors
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: in the emergency room, surgeons, gee, they all said, you
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: don't need surgery. You don't need surgery. We're just going
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: to give you antabatics and let it heal on its own.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I've also a colitis now, so it's not just a
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: normal person with a hole. I have a very diseased colon,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: a very inflamed colon.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: With you had you had the.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Before this, Yeah, I had it since I was seven.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: So this story happened when I was like twenty four,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: you know, twenty four years old, twenty five years old.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: So my colon was very diseased. So now I have
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: a hole in It might be a little bit bigger
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: than a pin, but it's still a hole that shouldn't
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: be there. Five surgeons and doctors say, now, you don't
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: need surgery, just get on antibatics. It'll heal. One doctor,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: one doctor, surgeon, he said, she needs surgery. This is
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: gonna get worse. This is not gonna heal, given her health,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: given her disease, it's not gonna heal. And they said, oh,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: we've seen people heal from a hole that big, it's
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: so small it'll heel. And now the doctor said no,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: with giving her disease colon and how inflamed this is
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: gonna rupture one day, it's gonna kill her. We need
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to do surgery to remove that section. They said no,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: five against one. Who do you think one the five
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: doctors right? He came into my room and said, well,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: if you die, it's not my fault. I tried to
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: fight for you to get surgery. He goes, I guarantee
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you'll be in here within a year, either dead or
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: your colon's gonna rupture. And I was so pissed at
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: him that he said that to me, so pissed, like,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: how how the f dare you? But he was right,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: and I lost my colon because five doctors didn't want
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: to use common sense to look at the bigger picture
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and realize I wasn't a typical person. She has a
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: diseased colon already, it's very diseased and inflamed. They were wrong,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: and he was right. Within a year, it was almost
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: a year to the day my colon ruptured. I'd almost died.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I lost everything. I was on my deathbed and if
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: they would have listened to that doctor, I wouldn't be
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: in this situation I am now. I would have been healthier.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have had the disease, the whole it wouldn't
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: have ruptured. So there's a story for you. More. Doctors
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: agreeing with something doesn't mean they're necessarily right, because a
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: lot of them lack the common sense. A lot of
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: them lack looking at the bigger picture of the patient,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the individual patient, not the textbook.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: It is so true, and I hope doctors are listening
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and patients and patients and you guys, and you start
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to advocate for yourself. And that's our show for this week.
• 31:43
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• 31:46
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• 31:55
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• 31:59
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• 32:03
  Speaker 1: We will not be recording next week due to Lala
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: being in the Cayman Island.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Hopefully I bring back the warmer weather. It's gonna be
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: in the eighties there. I'm so excited.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, just rub it in Yep. We will
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: see you when Lala returns.