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Guest Spot: Fixing Famous People Shannon Doherty and Alyssa Milano · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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Hey, Team Tleraeder. We are officially on our summer break, which means
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you will be getting a lot of bonus material on this feed. This week,
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I am presenting a sneak peek at a guest episode Julia Washington and I
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did on Fixing Famous People with our lovely friends Chris de Rosa and Dominic Pupa.
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Now you will only be getting the portion of the episode that was Julia
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and I talking about the Shannon Doherty and Alyssa Milano feud and one of my
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favorite television shows, Charmed. If you go to the show notes, I
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have linked the entire episode, where you will find Chris and Tom giving hilarious
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fall. Enjoy the sneak peek of Fixing Famous People. All right, we
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have two I mean when you say fabric of the show, the two of
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our fabric of the show guests. They are woven in. They are the
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meat and potatoes of fixing famous people. And that is actually their drag duo
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name Meat and Potatoes. You know them as Natalie Katona and Julia Washington.
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Welcome back, ladies, Thank you, thank you. We're so happy that
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you were here. And at the same time, this is made for the
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listenership. This is two of the fave guests here together at the same time.
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Oh my gosh. Well, I'd like to thank you for having us.
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I'd like to thank my Family Reunion for giving me my grandma PEG's sexy
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smoky boys. Love love that. And I was just wondering if we should
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open the episode by chanting the charmed chant. Wait, what was it five?
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How do I not remember this? It's Oh, it's so simple.
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It's the power of three will set us free? That power for you.
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I forgot all about that, Wow, we are the power of three and
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Dominic is what's I'm like the Selgetty here. I missed. I Misscharmed entirely,
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Like, oh really, I don't think i'd ever seen an episode.
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My ex was a huge fan of it, and I would occasionally catch him
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watching marathons of it, but I just I never got into it. It
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makes you feel any better, Dominic. I grew up in a conservative Christian
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home, so it was like not allowed, so I had to catch it
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on reruns. So I've not seen the series in order at all, Like
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I just know you don't need to, though you really don't. Shannon left
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in season three. It was like, there's all kinds like, but I've
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never seen them in order, Like I couldn't tell you what happened in what
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season? Natalie? Tell me if I'm wrong. Wasn't it on after Oprah?
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Yeah? I thought I was. The reruns would be on like like
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after Oprah was over. It was Charmed, I'm almost certain for at least
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a year, and I saw so many Charmed episodes. Because of that,
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I used to schedule my college classes to be over by four pm in the
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afternoon so I could keep up with Charmed. I love that for you do.
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Incendiary things happen on the show like it's dominic. Every episode is like
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they like use their power. It's like Buffy, like every episode she gets
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knocked back into like a wall and then falls down and almost does get up,
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and then she does get up. And Sarah talking cat in the No,
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sadly, no, sounds like it needs one. There could have been
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that fourth pivotal role that could have kept the girls together. That was their
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power was because there was the three of them together. Like separately they were
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fine, but together they were very powerful. Let's relaunch a series. Let's
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do a reboot. We're just gonna change it a little bit. We're gonna
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add animal. The chance is going to be it's gonna be for adults,
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and the chances gonna be the power of three and this fucking cat, my
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god, and then in Michelle Vivus virus voyturages here now in the back,
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the power of three and this fucking cat. Now, who's not Is that?
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Is that my phone ringing with Hollywood producers? Yeah, well listen,
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before we get too deep into your xenial fantasia, let's go one by one
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with these two ladies, this is the point in our broadcast where we have
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Christopher and our guests guess the middle names of the people were trying to fix.
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So I ask you, Julia and Natalie, do either of you know
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already either of the middle names of this this week's witches. No, I
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would never. I do. I do know Alyssa Milano's middle name, because
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you love Lyssa Milano, so I can't. That wouldn't be fair. But
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I have no idea what Shannon Doherty's middle name is. Well, then let's
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all play together in the beginning and start with Shannon doherty middle name not readily
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available on her Wikipedia. I had to do a little bit of miss really,
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I had to do a little bit of research. That was hard for
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you. Huh Yeah, it took well. I did it five seconds ago
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while we were all talking in that process. So if it seemed difficult,
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then then yes. Shannon Doherty born April twelfth, nineteen seventy one in Memphis,
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Tennessee. Fuck, what is Shannon Doherty's middle name? Yes, Shannon
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and I are the same age. I thought she was younger than that.
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Okay, Okay, I'm gonna go with Jennifer. Okay, Shannon Jennifer is
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a really long name. I don't know how stranger things have happened. I'm
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trying to it was just like such a gen X name, though, I'm
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trying to like make my brain glitch into a Phoebe Hallowell like premonition. I'm
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gonna guess. I wanted to guess Renee, but that too. I'll guess.
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Do you have another one, Natalie, or do you want to get
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Yeah, I have another one? Okay, I'm going to guess Renee Shannon
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Renee Doherty. Then I'll go with Lynn. Oh, no, one got
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it? Fuck. Shannon Doherty's middle name Maria. Oh, okay, that's
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strange, though I think Doherty. I don't know. It must be a
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Maria Shannon Maria. Okay, let's move on to one. Alyssa Milano born
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December nineteenth, nineteen seventy two. So she will be turning fifty to this
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year, fifty one this year? Is that right? No? Fifty two,
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you're the first time. Yeah. I didn't even smoke weed. Maybe
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I should and then I'll be more on point. She was born in benson
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Hurst, Brooklyn. Alyssa Milano what is her middle name? I'm gonna go
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with Murray. I was gonna go Maria, Natalie. I was gonna say
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Marie, because we are the power of three, will free, I'm gonna
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say Alissa. The word Coltrane is going train Christopher. That's what they should
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have named the white Lighter col Will that be the cat's name? You think
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coltraneking in that answer? Yes, her middle name is Clarissa. It's Alyssa
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Clarissa Milano made that up. Her middle name is Jane. I believe we
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would know if her name was that Idiotola Claris. Her name now, that's
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her name now is Alissa clar Alyssa Jane Milono Jane spelled j a y.
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What a surprise? All right, guys, where do we even begin with
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these two? Like, obviously we know that they're un charmed together. It's
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a humongous show. Shannon Doherty is from Beverly Hills nine or two one oh
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and many other things. Lia Milanos from Who's the Boss and many other things.
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They're both child actors from there, like you know, from a very
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early age, all three of the girls on Charmed were childhood actors. Where
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was Holly Marie from Picket Fences? Right? Oh, perhaps I only watched
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a handful not to slammer, but like she did not have the star that's
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what they told her. That's what Aaron Spelling told her. That Aaron Shannon
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Doherty, I don't think she has the star power kid, and Shannon said
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I won't do Charmed without her. Yes. I love when celebrities say that
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no one's ever said that and risked work by saying that. Well, Shannon
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doubled down with that. She's committed to that story. The other person that
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he was in that story is dead, so that she no one can refute
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it. Yeah. Share has said in interviews a billion times, She's like,
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no one wanted Nicholas carry and I shaid I wouldn't do moonstrug without him,
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And I'm like, girl, no one wanted you to do Moonstruck,
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so I didn't know that you were swinging your dick around on set that day.
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Let's see easy doozy. I love you, but I don't believe Sher
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was gonna not do Moonstruck. Fun fact, Moonstruck was originally offered to Sally
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Field Share. Sally Field was to play the role of wait, seriously swear
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to you. I can't even imagine the movie. I can't even imagine her
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being completely different, right, yeah, yeah, well I think they made
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the right decision. Oh for sure, Yeah for sure. All right,
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So they're in Charm together, and then Shannon Doherty is booted off the show.
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Season three, we have what's her name? Rose Mcowan comes in as
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Page the other third sister, which the whole thing is about them being a
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three and a trio and at this and that in the fact that they had
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another sister, so it was really a four was hilarious because the show made
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absolutely no sense that there was another sister. And then they obviously are feuding
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for the rest of their lives. Shannon Doherty gets cancer and does all these
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podcasts, and now I mean they're just slinging people article after people article at
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each other, saying like you were a monster, No, you were a
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monster, you were horrible, No, you were horrible. And now I
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mean we're at we're at like a Hamilton style duel with these basics. For
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sure, at don we are less than three months away from Shannon Doherty's podcast
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headlining Alyssa Milano gave me cancer. This is really a hack with these two.
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Someone's got to say it because everyone's everyone's going to be thinking she's been
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sick for this long because of Alissa Milano's cruelty. Well, I would just
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like to think that if I was this close to my own mortality, I
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too would just be this petty day every day. Who am I slandering today?
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Yeah? Yeah? It would be a bully a day is how I
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would take it. Okay, someone gave me a year to live, I
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would pull up the three hundred and sixty five people who have annoyed me the
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most in my time here and do one every day until I expired. But
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then, Dominic, you were the one that told me that on her podcast,
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she's like preparing for death right. Yeah, she's like getting extraorage unit
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to make it easy for her mom and all this stuff, Like she's trying
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to make sure that it goes smoothly. It's stage four, I think,
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right, Hm oh brother. Yeah. You know what else was sick like
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that for a very long time was and I'm definitely you even know who it
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says. But Valerie Harper, she played with She only died a couple of
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years ago. She had brain cancer, and she went on The Today Show
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and was basically like you know, I'm not going to be here. You'll
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never see me again. She too, just lasted for many years, God
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bless her. And then when she finally passed away, she was I think
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eighty, like she had survived a very long time. Yeah. Is it
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the few then? Do you think that's keeping Shannon going? Like the pety
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of it is what's keeping her alive? My mom and her sister whenever they
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exchanged like birthday cards, it's always like only the good die young, and
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bitches like us are going to live forever. Girl pickled with hate as pickled
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with hate. Oh my gosh. I mean it is true though, I
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mean she she has something to live for, and that's you know, like
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destroying Alyssa Milana's life. Yeah yeah, yeah, well it will not get
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me out of bed, but vengeance, it's a goal. So what are
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the rumors about why they had a bad time together on set? I know
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that you two have done the Laanadel research and like have been listening to the
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podcast and this and the that that, so like, do we remember what
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the rumors were of why they didn't get along on set? So here's the
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thing. Don't do the research, because then all of a sudden. It's
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the most boring feud in existence because now she and Holly Marie are claiming the
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we just worked differently than Alyssa. We were serious actresses and Alissa was fucking
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the white lighter. So why wasn't Alyssa the one then booted off the show
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of Shannon and Holly were like sick of seeves she because they him. Yeah,
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she was like basically she documented all of the quote unquote hostile work environment
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and stuff and then went to them and said like, hey, if you
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don't Shannon or me, and if it's me, I'm suing you for a
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hostile work environment, and having gone to their appropriate channels to do it well,
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because when tensions started to rise uncharmed, it was like the hit show.
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So to try and get ahead of it, the producers like hire like
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they don't believe you is my favorite. I know that's not how I'm I'm
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laughing at the phrase. I laugh a lot on the show. The reverence
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with which we all take this stuff we're talking about and fierce for it.
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Don't get me wrong, but there's something about the phrase when tensions started to
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rise on John that just made me laugh. Just don't worry. I came
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with a fix. Oh, I love it. It's going to be four
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fixes this week, isn't it. When tensions rose on the on the set
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of Charmed, the producers and Aaron Spelling tried to get ahead of it because
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they had a cash cow on their hands, and they hired an onset therapist
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to mediate between the three of them, and Holly and Shannon refused to meet
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with the mediator, but Alisa was like, I'll tell this bitch whatever she
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wants to hear, and the therapist kept the notes of the hostile work environment.
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All those idiots, what's wrong with them? They were like, you
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can't get us. We're not talking to your therapist. Yeah, and then
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meanwhile, Melissa is like fucking a motherfucking stool pigeon. She's singing like a
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canary. Yeah. But that was really smart though. She got it all
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documented. That was she gets points for. That doesn't mean I'm on her
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side, but you know, but she knew how to gain the system.
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Plus already with Shannon's reputation of being difficult to work with. I don't know
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if you guys remember this, but when charm first started, Luke Perry was
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on the David Letterman show promoting something I forget what it was, and he
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asked him, He's like, oh, what do you think about Shannon?
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Uncharmed? And he goes, well, Aaron had to do something with Shannon
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wamn. That was the tone, Like, that was the attitude towards Shannon
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Door in the nineties, and she has since like caught to it, like
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I understand I also culpable in the way that my reputation was, but also
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and you're just like, I don't know, girl, Like they definitely had
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a problem with her on nine O two one. Oh as well, Yeah,
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that was a very difficult reputation. Wasn't she like the all of the
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drama? I can't remember? I mean you too, tell me remember in
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Tory Spelling's book that we had to read for book club, wasn't Shannon Doherty
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like the person that was ruining Tory Spelling's life? Yeaty Garth? Oh,
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yeah, she just doesn't do well in trios of women. No, she
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doesn't. And then Jenny Garth has since been like, no, we've I
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think she's been like we've squashed it. We're fine, But that's I think,
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you know. Yeah, there were four women on nine two one to
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oh Justice for Andreas. She was unattractive, but she got to kiss for
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you was sporty playing a high schooler. She got to kiss once. Yeah
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yeah, when she was struck by the car on to Ando. My best
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friend and I watch we do exactly what you're doing. Sometimes we pull it
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up on our phone to laugh at her name a car because the like primitive
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drone shot that rises up and she's just laying perfectly in the street with her
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books scattered everywhere. There's not a spot of blood or a tire screech or
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anything. It's just the most hilarious getting hit by a car. You've ever
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seen this before? I mean TV in the nineties was the best. Oh
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yeah yeah. But because Shannon is the bully and the villain and all of
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these stories, what's extremely frustrating about this feud is that Alissa isn't proactively telling
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anything means to us. She's reacting telling things to us. Oh, which
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yeah, so by then she's prepared. The emotions have died down all of
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it, and Shannon and Holly have everything to lose if they actually talk about
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all of the ways that they bullied Alyssa Milano. So no one's coming forward
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to be like, well, this is what it was really like. But
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okay, Natalie, correct me if I'm wrong, though, because I when
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I listened to the Shannon Doherty's podcast with Holly On, it made it sound
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like they couldn't talk about anything until recently, until Aaron died, maybe because
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like because it made it, they gave me the impression still inactive way,
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there's something there was something about like how they're like, well, now we're
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free to talk about all of this, and You're like, have you not
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been free before? Because we've all known about the feud. So I think
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the freedom is Shannon's mortality, and I think, also shon, how am
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I supposed to talk about it? No? I you know, Shannon Doherty's
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cancer is the fifth person on this call, and we're I mean, were
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she not sick and lashing out and like ridding her soul of all the drama
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that she's kept bent up, we wouldn't be talking about this. You know.
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I'm also fairly convinced though, that Candy Spelling is behind all of this.
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I feel like Candy Spelling is like sits atop again in a palace,
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ruling over Hollywood, and I feel like she's stroking her cat. And she
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called Shennon Doherty and was like, I will extend your life if you destroy
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Alissa Milano. And that is why Shennandherty is Doty's. This is my conspiracy
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theory. My conspiracy theory is Holly Marie Combs only makes money off of charmed
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royalties and charmed appearances. So the other two to do their friend a solid,
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have decided, oh, we know, we'll kick up all that bullshit
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with Melissa again. And they're getting Holly like a retirement cushion or something.
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Truly. I mean, she hasn't been what was the last thing she acted
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in My Pretty Little Liars? I was nice to say, I couldn't tell
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you, but apparently pretty. And I was trying to find stuff, like
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has Alissa Milano said anything recently? I couldn't find anything. And it's not
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like I was looking that hard, you know what I mean, Like everything
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that pops up when you do like Alissa Milano feud, it's all Shannon and
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Holly that pop up. Yeah. No, I think Alissa Milana is like
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I'm already like infuriating the world every time I tweet something, so like I
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like you two are nothing to me. But this is what I also found
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out. Holly Marie Combs went for the reboot of Mistresses when it was going
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to be on Lifetime and not ABC, And when they moved it to ABC,
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they wrote probably Holly's part for Alyssa Milano and the only did it one
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season and then had her character killed. The offers yep, oh my wish
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you guys. I loved that show. I was like, you're gonna give
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me Alyssa Milano on a show about affairs? Yeah, I'm in because she's
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the sexy sister. But she was pregnant in real life, so they did
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the whole big bag thing for her. So it really just wasn't as satisfying
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as I was hoping it would be. What else do we have to talk
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about from the feud? You know, Shannon was difficult in Hollywood her whole
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life, right because, like, didn't Melissa Gilbert also have problems with her
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when she was on Little House on the Prairie. Oh my god, and
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listen Little House on the Prairie and Who's the Boss? Raised me? Okay?
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I was just love for people, and I know that like Jenny Garth
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has squashed it. Toy wrote about it in her memoir, so she's probably
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over it, but I truly need receipts. I need to know was she
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difficult or was she a woman with opinions? And she was making life hell
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for producers? Because Shannon wants me to believe that she was making life hell
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for all of her male producers. So she was sicking the women of cast
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that she was in against her, which is something that I have heard happened
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on a million shows that they separated the female actresses and told them a bunch
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of lies about one another so that they wouldn't be friends and ask one another
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what each other made. Well, yeah, they talk about that too,
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Holly and Shannon do on that podcast episode, because she talks about how Aaron
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would do backdoor deals, like they would make a deal and then he'd turn
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around and like do whatever he could to get a different deal out of whomever
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on the show, and then they would like talk about it and that would
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cause tension to and that was part of the tension between Shannon and Alyssa as
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well. Here's the thing. The common denominator in every feud we're talking about
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here is Shannon Doherty. Obviously, right. So common sense tells you that
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Shannon Doherty is the problem, hence the reason she was the one to be
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removed from the mix back in the day. But there was an opening here
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for Shannon do First, she became ill, which always garners you sympathy no
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matter how many people you have offended or killed. I mean, when you're
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sick, you're sick. But at the same time, Alyssa Milano's public persona
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becomes very sort of Karen adjacent, if you will, just she just you
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know, she starts showing up at you know, judicial confirmation hearings and tweeting
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about the Ukraine and all sorts of other shit. I have joked on stage
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that I only know if something should be taken seriously in the news, if
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Alyssa Milano has been tweeting about it, that's my barometer. And she just
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she started to turn a little bit. Public favor just started to turn.
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And I think Shannon sense that and that and being ill, I think she
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struck while the iron was hot. I mean, it was sort of her
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opening to rewrite history and change her legacy before she died. And while she
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got sick, Shannon's persona was getting sick, and so she attacked. And
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given what we know about Shen, and this seems very much probably what happened
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now that I'm sort of serapising it out of me and putting myself in Shen
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and shoes and like, yeah, I probably do. This makes sense.
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No, it makes sense, and it's also but then there's the whole.
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The part that I don't understand is like, if I was like having to
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get a storage unit and preparing for death, this would be the last thing
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that I would want to take over my time. Is someone that I didn't
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like twenty years ago. Well, she's doing the podcast in lieu of a
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memoir, right, and you both have told me that the podcast is boring,
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right Yeah? Well yeah, but damn it's Chris, she's sick.
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I not talk bad about podcasts, but it okay, but listen, I'll
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go there. It was boring. It was really hard to get through her
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conversation with Holly because I thought, oh, great, they're friends in her
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life, They've been friends for forty plus years. This is going to be
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the juiciest episode oh Shannon Doherty's ever done. It was like, Okay,
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how do I speed it up? So it goes faster like, so then
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it feels like a little bit more. You know, they do share a
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lot about like what their shared experience was, because then fast forward all these
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years later, Holly's the one in the position that's like, if you're getting
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rid of Shannon, I'm going too. And then you know some scenario where
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it's like, oh, just no, you can't, you can't leave.
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The show will sue you, and then we'll sue you for the rest of
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your life to regroup our losses kind of thing. So the way they talk
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about their relationship and their experience on Charmed is probably more than we would ever
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get out of a memoir from her, but also could if somebody have done
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something to like help them feel a little bit more entertaining, so they did.
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At Mega Con in December of twenty twenty three, there was a Charmed
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panel and that's how this all got like riled up again for the youth and
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and Shannon and Holly said that people who are thirty five me go on,
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but no, I think the kids are watching Charmed again. I don't know,
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right, yeah, I think so, because it's on I know for
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sure it's on Prime. You can watch it on Prime, and I think
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it's rerunning on like network television or channel rather and you, oh, no,
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it definitely is still on network television because I was skiing last year or
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maybe two years ago, Like I remember turning the TV on just to like
27:30
put something on in the background, and it was episodes of Charmed, Yeah,
27:33
Ald episodes. Yeah. And it's a super low stake show, like
27:36
everything gets wrapped up in the forty two minutes, so it's like, you're
27:40
not twenty three minutes. Not easy? Yeah, and even an how long
27:44
show? I don't even get it. I don't even know, but it's
27:45
and it's also something where it's like again because I've never seen them in chronological
27:49
order, like you know what's happening without having to watch them in order.
27:53
Oh yeah, you can piece it together so easily. So they're at this
27:57
panel and someone asks them about the podcast, and Shannon and Holly have the
28:06
nerve to say, well, we cut out all of the mean parts because
28:10
we wouldn't want to do that to all of you. And I was like,
28:12
that's what we want though, Like if I'm supposed to take your side
28:15
over Alyssa's make me take your side. But right now it just all looks
28:22
like you guys hated the hot girl in the room. And wasn't Alyssa a
28:27
little bit more famous coming in or no, like, because isn't she the
28:30
one that everyone was like, Well, I don't think Shannon, but she
28:37
was like the one that was Like the jokes were, if Alyssa Milana,
28:41
if I had the opportunity to take Alyssa Milana to the prom, that's who
28:44
I would choose. Like she was the like you keep saying, the hot
28:47
girl choice. And I think that was the problem now that I'm hearing it.
28:51
It's like they each wanted to be the Justin Timberlake of the group.
28:55
And there were two Justin Timberlakes, you know, cause Shannon Doherty was super
29:00
Amus from nine to two one now and Alyssa Milana was also a child actor
29:03
and had been famous for so many of them. They really were, yeah,
29:06
I mean that they weren't. To me, they were like the same
29:10
level of start. I thought they were at least a perfect pair. I
29:14
mean, Holly Marie really truly was like right place, right time for her,
29:17
Like that was a dream gig slipping in there. They could have put
29:19
Christina Applegate or another eighties rowing in that spot, you know which it either
29:25
needed to be the three people on the same level or one person above and
29:30
then two that are they needed to be another Holly Marie Combs want to be
29:34
and then either Shannon or a Lissa are not there. You know what I'm
29:37
saying. Obviously, Shannon and Alyssa would have gotten along just fine if instead
29:42
of Holly Marie Combs, here we go. She fucked it up. She
29:47
fucked it up. Yeah, and you know what, Wait, guys fell
29:53
apart. I'm so unprofessional. I was gonna say, if they had one
29:57
very smarmy he can't even do it. He can't even deliver the joke.
30:03
Yeah, yeah, it was going to be the cat. It was going
30:06
to be the It was going to be one smarmy, Southern accented cat,
30:11
and he was going to do like a little Leslie Jordan for you. But
30:14
I am not calling to you now. I love Leslie Jordan. Mayhe he
30:17
didn't want me to do it. That's why he made me choke on my
30:18
tongue. I wouldn't have justice. God you he's protecting you. I Yeah,
30:25
if it was Alissa, Shannon and a cat was voiced by Leslie Jordan,
30:29
the show would still be on the air, no one would have cancer,
30:32
and there would be no feud. So the best part of all of
30:34
it is that Holly before December of twenty twenty three, was an Alissa Milano
30:41
sympathizer. She used to go on record and be like, Alissa was the
30:45
heart of the cast. She made it feel like a family. And I
30:49
don't like that. I don't like you're a fucking snake, you know what
30:53
I mean. I don't like that. Shannon's the one saying, like the
30:57
show is you, Holly, Like you're the glue that kept everything together,
31:02
Like if it weren't for you, it would have fallen all apart. And
31:04
you know, Holly's like, I have all this trauma from having to carry
31:07
all this weight and have a three month old because no one respected me,
31:11
which probably true right about working women in any industry. But yeah, it's
31:17
the tonal shift is very like you know, Antenna Raised. And during the
31:22
first season of Charmed, very early into filming, Holly Marie comes gets sick.
31:27
She has like a benign cyst on her uterus or something, and Holly
31:33
Marie had gone on record to be like and Alyssa and her mom were there
31:37
for me every day and she made me soup to take home. And I
31:41
don't have a family. I was raised by teen parents. They weren't prepared
31:45
to do this for me. And now it's well, Melissa and her bitch
31:49
mom locked Shannon, locked Shannon from the hospital room. Shannon cried out on
31:57
the other side of a locked door every night, just going I wish I
32:01
could see my friend Holly. And it's really I don't ask is what she
32:07
is. It's really that Alyssa Shannon wouldn't be in the same room together.
32:13
And like when you're the middle friend in that scenario, you have separate playdates,
32:19
right, But Melissa Malanald's mom was literally making her meals after she got
32:23
home. Holly got home and was like bringing her meals to her house,
32:28
like what are you doing? And the way that Holly talks about it,
32:31
like Alissa's mom seduced me with what I never had a family, forgever and
32:38
it was seductive and it was almost cult like if you think about it,
32:44
and then turned on her. Now, Holly Marie comes is the problem here?
32:46
Guys? It come off? Now? Do you want to know why?
32:50
Because problem and it's because and I love you. Holly. Piper was
32:54
like the glue of the show. But she had all of the good storylines,
32:59
yes, because she was dating the devil and she was the reason we
33:02
got to see Julian and then she got to marry Cupid at the end of
33:07
the series. Yeah, someone married Cupid in the fin Yeah, and it
33:12
was Phoebe. And I thought that Cupid was played by Billy Zane from Titanic,
33:19
and I thought that my entire life. And it's just like some dollar
33:22
store version of Billy's just a dollar star version of it. And we need
33:30
to We have not even brought up that they tried to do a Charmed reboot
33:32
on Netflix. No. It it was on the WB and it was two
33:38
or three seasons. Oh really good. Yeah, and it was good.
33:45
And it was good in the way that Charmed was good. But it was
33:46
good because I know shows can't be like that anymore, Like you can't do
33:51
a Charmed today. Did any of the three original cast members appear on the
33:54
reboot. No, And they're all pissed about it all for none of them
33:59
weren't by it back and they have slammed it's teenagers. It's reboots that the
34:06
reboot's good. I will die on this horse that I loved every moment that
34:08
I watched the reboot. But Holly Rose and Shannon have slammed that show.
34:17
How dare they try to do this with us? They could have done it
34:21
with Piper's kids. We all could have been involved. It could have been
34:25
Halliwell, house manor or something. They just want another paper, they want
34:30
a paycheck, whereas Alyssa Milana didn't say any of that, right, is
34:34
what you're telling me? Yeah, because she's fundraising for kids' sports teams or
34:37
something. And I wonder where any of them. I would assume none of
34:43
them had EP credits on the show or consulting. No, they weren't involved
34:45
at all, and they're so pissed about it. That would be too.
34:49
I think I would be too. Actually, did any of them met EP
34:52
credit on the old show or producing credit? Yes, Holly Marine was a
34:57
producer and she, oh my god, the way that she martyrs herself.
35:00
She's like, I wouldn't take pay raises because I knew that the reason why
35:04
Leo was leaving his family was because we're going to afford to have both Brian
35:10
and Nicholas on set. Brother, she did it, she Holly. She
35:22
causes cancer, she makes horrible reboots. She's done all of this. She's
35:25
responsible for all of this. I believe Holly Marie Combs might be a candy
35:30
spelling of plans Yeah, plants, yeah, because she even like gets Shannon
35:38
rawled up about because Shannon directed the final episode that she herself was in,
35:44
and she even gets her riled up about that, like you didn't realize you
35:47
were directing your own death kind of vibe. Yeah, but she did because
35:53
she's directing it. The whole time they're talking about, I'm like, I
35:58
don't understand. How do you not know that you're getting killed off the show
36:00
if you're directing your own death, Like it just didn't come. I don't
36:05
know it was well, no one really dies on arm well yeah, or
36:09
whatever their version of heaven. I know. But it's just like such a
36:15
lie. The whole thing is that that's a lie because if you were directing
36:17
an episode, you would have the script and you would read the script and
36:20
it would say then she and ajorady, doesn't she get my car or something?
36:23
No, she gets like thrown by the window or something through through a
36:29
wall. Or I remember being on a bridge a lot. Yeah, it
36:34
sounds like a conventional way for a witch to die, isn't it. Yeah,
36:37
the source kills her, the source of all evil dominic. Since you
36:40
don't know the lore, I do not know the lore for for sure.
36:45
Okay, well, I mean anything else we need to say. I feel
36:50
like we should get to the fixed soon. But is there that we need
36:52
to say? Yeah, I'm racking my brain for anything else. The other
36:57
thing is, do we already talk about this? Alyssa Milana was originally cast?
37:00
Oh no, they do. We bring that up already. They filmed
37:05
the premiere with another girl. Yeah, they did the pilot with somebody else,
37:08
and then after the show got picked up and ordered right then they were
37:13
like, okay, we're gonna put Alyssa Milano here because the other guys.
37:15
I don't know if she's struggling with working on television or if she had I
37:20
can't remember what it was, but like she wasn't Oh, her church wouldn't
37:23
let her play her church wouldn't let her play a witch. That's it,
37:29
guys, this is it. Why did we spend an hour talking about this
37:31
when you could have just told me that that is they were like, oh,
37:35
the show got picked up, let's put another actual celebrity on it.
37:38
That's it right there. But then that takes away from the theory that it's
37:43
Ally Marie Combe's fault. I know, but like that's why Shannon's like,
37:46
oh, they're going to put Alyssa Milano on here and not another nobody.
37:50
Like that's where it's because even in the first episode, the sister dynamic between
37:54
Shannon's character and Alyssa's character is already tent like it's tension episode one and they're
38:00
already like this bitch. So it's like built into the show from day one.
38:06
And they keep telling us that Alissa Milano started the feud, and Alissa
38:10
Milano has only talked about those feud twice. She went on Watch What Happens
38:15
Live and Andy Cohen asked her about it, and she said, Shannon and
38:21
Holly were friends for years before we started the show. It always just felt
38:27
like I was odd man out, which my grandma peg went to her grave
38:30
not allowing three of her grandchildren to visit at a time because she was like,
38:35
you can't have three because two pick on one and I'm not dealing with
38:38
that. All day long, so Aaron should have known if only had called
38:44
peg. And so anyway, She's like, I always just felt like odd
38:47
man out. It felt like high school. This was in like twenty seventeen.
38:52
Alyssa is saying this, and she goes and we never knew why Shannon
38:57
quit or was fired or whatever. No one talked about it after she was
39:01
gone, and that lit Shannon and Holly up. They were like, we
39:06
didn't act like high school mean girls, which is a high school mean girl
39:09
to say yeah, And then they told her, you didn't even go to
39:15
high school. We went to high school. I did not think that I
39:19
was going to come out of this episode being on Elissa Milano's side. I'm
39:22
not gonna lie to you. I know. I've been trying so hard to
39:25
be like Shannon, your mortality makes me sad, and I'm trying so hard
39:31
to believe that you are an icon and that you were done wrong in Hollywood
39:37
in the nineties like so many others. But sometimes you can't save them all.
39:45
And Shannon, to her own way, you couldn't in Hollywood. That's
39:59
what's and anything. Because she's a puppet master, She's she's just pulling strings
40:04
for Candy. That's why she hasn't been in an act anything since Pretty Little
40:07
Liars. You know. Oh boy, all right, I know, I
40:13
know. I have it. I have it. I have mine. I've
40:15
had mine for a while. Now, okay, I don't have one.
40:17
I'm here to listen and to vote. I have a box, Christopher,
40:22
please begin. Shannon Doherty and Alissa Clarissa Milana. It seems that this feud
40:35
was reignited on Watch What Happens Live, and that's We're going to take a
40:38
Bravo approach to this, because all we want to see is a reunion Housewives
40:47
style where there is one couch on one side, and there is one couch
40:52
on another side, and we have a host in the middle. Now,
40:54
whether that be Andy Cohen or Oprah or z Way or like someone else of
41:01
that, you know, someone else in this world. I need it to
41:06
be Shannon Doherty and Alyssa Milano sitting on couches first position, right next to
41:12
each other, with a moderator. And then I need Holly Marie Combs and
41:17
Rose McGowan and like all the other like the husband, Piper's husband, the
41:22
White Lighter, and whoever else, anyone else relevant will come in as friends
41:27
and they get to choose which couch they sit on, and we'll just make
41:31
the couch bigger and bigger and bigger as more people sit on the side.
41:36
And then we need a full on housewives reunion where people are set up with
41:42
packages to then like be like, all right, let's rehash this thing that
41:45
you said at this you know, but when you were on Watchouban's Live,
41:47
you said that they was like high school blah blah blah, Like play the
41:52
clip, let's talk about it, and then we just do that, and
41:55
they can be three parts. We can air it on Peacock, we can
42:00
air it on I mean, it could be pay per view if we need
42:04
it to be, because it is basically a battle, and we air that
42:07
for three episodes. It's chalk full of ads and it gives everyone what they
42:14
want and then at the end of it, whoever's left standing is left standing.
42:17
And it's that simple. But then we bury it and we move on.
42:21
And at the end they cheers their little Pina Colada glasses and they ride
42:25
off into the sunset to never speak to each other ever again. And they
42:28
all have to hold hands and chant the power of three and this fucking cat,
42:37
and that is my pitch real, you know, I do like I
42:42
like that pitch. I will always be honest. It's a tough one to
42:45
be. But here's what I have for you. I don't think we're ever
42:49
going to get to the bottom of what actually happened on the set of Charmed.
42:52
I think that there are five sides to every story when there are two
42:55
people arguing. There are like eleven sides when they are three, especially when
43:01
they are three cat list witches so or Hollywood actresses. I think what I
43:14
think to please the fans and the gossip mongers and anyone who feels like there
43:17
needs to be some sense of justice with the destruction of this relationship. I
43:23
am pitching to you a remake of The Witches of Eastwick with the three of
43:30
them. And I don't know yet who's gonna play Darryl the Devil. I'm
43:36
trying. I don't know Charmed well enough, Like should it be Aaron Spelling,
43:40
should it be the White Lighter, whoever the fuck that is? Should
43:45
it be a Cat? I have no idea, but there's a great message
43:49
in that. Now with these three women who were probably incited to fight by
43:55
male executives is probably what has happened here anyway. And whoever Daryl is,
44:01
who you know, which is of East? Spoiler alert, you know they
44:05
get him in the end. It's like a witch version of nine to five.
44:07
I never really thought of it that way, but it really is.
44:09
But yeah, that's my pitch. They do which is of East, that
44:13
brings them back together. They're sort of in their milieu and they get to
44:17
band together, all get EP credit and decide what message they're going to send
44:22
by who's going to play the devil? Who do they want to destroy?
44:23
And that's how they speak about it because their stories are changing from year to
44:29
year and person to person, so obviously some of it is performative. It's
44:34
been a long time, so that's why I don't know if we'll ever get
44:37
we'll ever get to the truth. The person who will get to set the
44:39
record straight is whoever lives the longest, So that's the person who will give
44:45
the final interview. And that's my pitch. Wow, that was good,
44:50
all right? Now should Natalie just pitch and then Julius decides of the three
44:55
format I'm with uncomfy. There's a vote option. I'm ready, I'm ready.
45:04
I'm like, I'm ready, Okay, Natalie back a decision today.
45:08
Promise I see Christopher's Bravo reunion and I raise him a docuseriies, we are
45:19
living in the age of Quiet on the set. We are living in the
45:22
age of the Price of Glee. I want a charmed docuseriies, sure Alyssa,
45:29
Rose, Polly and Shannon can be a part of it, but will
45:32
never get the truth out of any of them. So I want stage hands
45:38
that Shannon three books at. I want I want the kids. I want
45:46
a three to five part docuseries of the Price of Charms. I want it
45:52
to be called The Power of Three Set, No One Free. And I
45:58
want to be the person that call Aaron Spelling in with my Wuiji board.
46:02
Thank you. I love that the quiet Onset people can call me. I
46:07
mean, the winner is obvious, you guys. Sorry, go ahead,
46:10
Christopher. Now, when you said a stage hand that Shannon Doherty threw books
46:15
at, think I would have known about that. In turn, that a
46:21
pa that Shannon Doherty scratched the eyes off of after they got her salad dressing
46:27
gone, like I because extras on TikTok are coming forward to be like,
46:32
oh, I worked on that show and it wasn't Alyssa making me tense.
46:37
So I want to know. I want tip for tat, I want interns,
46:42
and I want directors because Holly has claimed that anyone who worked on Charmed
46:47
would work with Shannon again, and I want to see it. Yeah,
46:52
I want to see She has doubled down on that several times. I think,
46:57
Julia, I think it's obvious. You guys, I'm very sorry.
47:00
I know it's your show, but I'm really into Natalie's idea. Did you
47:09
not see my face when you did your pitch? I was into it.
47:13
I was very into it. I was like, oh, ship, Dominic
47:15
is gonna win this. I love you, but I love all three.
47:19
I really do know. I really think there's a three. These were really
47:21
three strong. There's times of Dominic and I are like, all right,
47:23
we fucking phoned it in, Like here you win? These are these were
47:28
three. I think these were three strong pitches. The power of three,
47:30
which makes Julia the cat and this Natalie, you join a very small group
47:40
of people that have beaten us at our own on this show. Congratulate higher
47:46
family to be like I told you, I had it. Oh, my
47:54
god, my brother, will this ever? I mean, will we unlock
47:59
what's gonna happen? And you know that speaking of magic, we you guys
48:02
know this show, we have magic. So like, is Holly Marie Combs
48:06
going to do a People dot Com Instagram article and be like it was me
48:08
a long would be great? Oh my gosh, I love the rest of
48:15
my life in fear that Shannon Doherty is just going to be peeking into my
48:17
window because I called her bullshit out and I'll be like, I'm so sorry,
48:22
Shannon. Did either of you read Alyssa Milano's memoir because I know she
48:25
talks about it in the memoir, and I just I don't think I can
48:29
bring myself to read it personally. I think we can do like a Reddit
48:32
situation where we're like, where does she talk about show? Like I want
48:35
to do, like find someone that read it to tell me yeah, because
48:38
that's literally the only part I care about in her book because I want to
48:42
know how she and then to do a side by side comparison of how Shannon
48:45
talks about it on her show, I think would be yeah interesting. Hmm.
48:51
Well, Winner, Natalie Katona, Julia Washington, thank you very much
48:55
Well the true Winner from a discerning a discerning cat judge. I'm just hoping
49:01
that this gets me to the Fixes man. I just I want all of
49:07
our guests are eligible. We'll see how it goes. We actually we should
49:10
do a category for best non host win of the Are the Fixes a pay
49:16
to play? Do I have to like take? Yes? They actually?
49:20
No? Actually yes they are. You have to the money press junket?
49:23
Yeah? Play No. But speaking of I was thinking about the Fixies today
49:30
and I was like, Oh, we need to have like other people come
49:31
in to present awards. We need to have like we're blowing it out.
49:35
That's going to be a much bigger deal this show. As one of the
49:37
Halliwell's sisters. Okay, and I'll be the cat she carries in the room.
49:47
Okay, Natalie, tell everyone where people can find you. Hey,
49:52
I'm Nadley. You can find me at Men I've Tolerated pod on Instagram to
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we're going to start being funny about everyday misogyny. Julia, where can people
50:32
find you? Friends? You can find me on Instagram at the Julia Washington,
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and you can find me on TikTok under the same handle. They have
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to take TikTok out of my cold dead hands and your podcast. I have
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deep dive side side of the changes that were made, Why do we think
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they cast the wrong people for certain roles? All the fun stuff. Dominic
51:07
Where can people find you? My website is domitary dot com. My socials
51:10
are at Dominic Pupa. Please go to my website to see where I'll be
51:15
performing this June for Pride, and I can also be found at the Duplex
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most Friday evenings from six fifteen on. Undecided because she'll be there this week,
51:25
but it is likely. It is likely you can also find Jennifer Lopez
51:30
there at that time, right after possibly Marishka Hart protecting me from Jennifer Lopez.
51:36
Love that for you. That's the best protection you could ever ask for.
51:38
Why has there not been a photoshop of Dominic being attacked by j Loo
51:44
with Marishka in the middle defending Yeah, probably tomorrow. Yeah, either Samya
51:52
or Greg Arcade, Like, what's hello? Is this thing on? I'm
52:00
gonna thank you so much for telling us. Yeah, no, we need
52:01
that. We need that photoshop immediately. You guys can find me at the
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Crista Rosa. You can find the show at Fixing Famous People. You can
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find the patreon at patreon dot com slash Fixing Famous People. I wish you
52:13
all well and as always, where's Shelley? Goodbye?