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Energy, Emotions, and Environmental Illness with Paula Salas | EP04 · The Awakening Spaces Podcast - Conscious Construction for a Healthy Home

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  SPEAKER_00: hey friends welcome back to the awakening spaces podcast today we have a very special guest and somebody who's been extremely monumental in my own healing journey and that is paula marie salas she is going to talk to us about a modality that she's created on her own that blends a few different techniques uh emotional techniques somatic techniques to help us clear blocked and trapped emotions in our body and paul is going to share her journey from healing herself through her entire lifetime of chronic illness that was mostly resolved through using these techniques.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're struggling with mold, Lyme, co-infection, or anything of the like, mystery symptoms, then you're not going to want to miss this episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's dive in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the podcast, Paula.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: I am so happy to have you here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank
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  SPEAKER_02: you.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: I am so, so excited to be here, excited to have this conversation.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's going to be a juicy one.
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  SPEAKER_00: me too so i've been working with paula for years now and oh my gosh i don't know how many years when would you say so she came to denver we met on instagram that was four years ago four years ago and i was still struggling with a lot of my own health issues and paula at the time was struggling with her own health issues as well which we're gonna she's gonna share more about that but you know i remember we got together in denver you came i rode my bike to see you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You did a clearing with me.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think you were just starting to do clearings at that time.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it was the first time we met in real life.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just like, I remember you told me my water had radiation in it.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then I did a water test and it actually had radiation in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I forgot
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  SPEAKER_00: about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, holy crap, this stuff works like this is real.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: And ever since that moment, I continued to work with you to just peel back the layers of my emotional onion.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think there's ever been a time where we had a session and i just haven't like balled in your virtual arms um and it's just this the reason i wanted you to be one of the very first guests that i had is because i think that when we are struggling with environmental things or any type of chronic illness or any illness at all it is so important to have a solid foundation in our inner world and like tools and resources to help us because the journey is very emotional so I would love for you to just like, take us back.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: What, what brought you here?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like what was your health journey?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know there's so many different ways you can go, but I just love to hear.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you go get lost in it, just share with us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So my health journey for me, it started very young.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I was actually your very classic eczema, asthma, allergy baby.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: So that started for me around 18 months, two years old.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I grew up in Michigan.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I think I actually was living in mold At that time, backstory, I also think my mom was remediating her basement.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I know she was remediating the basement and it was moldy.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that was probably a big piece of my health.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so really throughout my whole childhood, it was kind of one of those, like there was always something going on with me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I never really felt safe in my body.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had really horrible eczema, really horrible allergies, was kind of just always dealing with something.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I won't get too much.
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  SPEAKER_02: into my childhood but when I was around 10 years old my health completely collapsed and so that was actually when I was introduced to the natural world and so that was kind of the first time you know we'd gone from doctor to doctor nobody was really helping me my mom my mom really I think was ahead of the times um at the time and she just knew she was like I don't feel like there's a western doctor that can help you and we really started going alternative um and so So that was kind of my first toe dip into this world.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fast forward, like I stabilized by the time I was in late middle school, high school, but I just never felt normal.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I was always kind of struggling to keep up.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was always dealing with different things, went to college.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I really think at that point, like I'd lost such a big part of my childhood.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just wanted to be normal.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I spent a lot of those years treating my body like a trash can when I'm probably shouldn't have been.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then it was when I was, I think around 24, 25, I moved to New York city and I was working in finance at the time working, you know, 80, a hundred hour weeks, just like really pushing my body to the edge, partying a lot.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I started feeling all of those patterns that had happened in my childhood, kind of rearing their head again into adulthood.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then, you know, I moved to Sanford into a 1900 build.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: You could see the mold on the windows.
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  SPEAKER_02: You could see, like, I didn't realize at the time that it was mold.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was dirt.
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  SPEAKER_02: And within 10 days, I felt like I was being electrocuted from the inside out.
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  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't sleeping.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I had hundreds, if not thousands of symptoms at that time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it really led me down the, I think that hole that we all kind of go down, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like really trying to figure this out for ourselves.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: And it was this interesting paradox for me where when I was a child, my mom was the person who figured it all out for me, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like she was taking me to the doctor.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was taking me to the special.
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  SPEAKER_02: She was doing everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, the tables have turned a lot.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: And at this point it was like, I had to figure it out and I had to do it for myself.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know, it was like actually a very empowering thing for me, I think, to finally take my health into my own hands and really figure this out without getting too deep into it.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, mold was a thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was diagnosed with severe mast cell activation syndrome, Lyme disease, the parasites, I mean, the whole shebang, right?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: And my journey started, I think a lot of people on this journey start with that really intense, deep detox, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We start learning about our environment, how dangerous it is, all these different things.
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  SPEAKER_02: We start detoxing.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: We start, I mean, we just start doing all of these things to try to get better.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, for me, it moved the needle quite significantly.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like it really did help so much, but there was, I kind of got to this point where it was like, I'd done so much physical healing, but there was just something that wasn't connecting.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't until I found like the mental, emotional, spiritual work that I now do for my clients that I really started feeling my body, my health, my mental health, just like really starting to connect.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: So anyways, that's a little bit about me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's, I mean, it's just like such a journey.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so at what, at what point in that journey were you feeling like, okay, this is actually starting, like, I am starting to feel normal.
• 7:29
  UNKNOWN: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like in the healing journey, like in the healing journey, like, I mean, I know there's all these like little pieces, but was there ever a point where you're like, I feel like I'm actually healed now.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: There have been a lot of from such a storm that like, just not feeling like I was in a tornado all the time, like felt almost like I was normal in the beginning.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was like, oh, like I can settle a little bit.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I would say, you know, that was a lot for like two to three years of just kind of like, okay, this is my new normal.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, this is my new normal, but like still dealing with a lot of stuff.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I really feel like it's been in the last year for me where like now I can really feel into not only like, okay, I'm starting to kind of ground, but this like, oh, my baseline actually feels like what normal people's baseline feels like.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: And that's been a really beautiful thing for me to witness because I don't know that I even realized that I was missing that in my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: You
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: know what I mean?
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it will be interesting to see how you feel in another year and another year and another year as your baseline continues to improve.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: And it's interesting for me like when I was I was like 12 years old they diagnosed me hyperthyroid they told me my body would never produce its own cortisol again and oh yeah and they told me that I would essentially just be chronically tired for the rest of my life and so that was from the time I was like 13 to 30 I truly never knew what it was like to have energy like I didn't know what it felt like to just like wake up in the morning and be like oh let me like do something yeah And I have like, I would say in the last two to three years, like I have had more energy in my 30s than I've ever had in my whole life.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just such an interesting place to be because I mean, you hear so many people like, just wait till you're 30.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I'm like, tell let me tell you, I've been.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, my gosh, I know.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, my gosh, I have so many different directions that I want to go now, because it's already brought up so many different things that I want to I want to chat about.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: But before I do that, let me just have you explain to everyone.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what do you do and how do you do it?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: Great question.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I would say what I do is extremely niche.
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  SPEAKER_02: I consider myself a holistic health practitioner and I really emphasize in emotional and energetic clearings.
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  SPEAKER_02: And my clientele is typically like the highly sensitive, chronically ill, like deep trauma impacted clients.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so really what I'm doing is utilizing a combination of muscle testing, energy work, somatics, perception reframing to really help clients both identify stored patterns, emotions, beliefs, biochemical patterns in the body that are contributing to either states of nervous system dysfunction, emotional reactivity, symptoms, and really helping clients unravel that, unwind it, let it go so that the body can learn new patterns and new ways of being.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: And also that might sound like a bunch of jumble mumbles.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, I'm going to ask because we're going to be like muscle testing.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: What is that?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tell us a little more.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I would say the most like toe dip into muscle testing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of people are maybe not have had this experience is when you go to a chiropractor or some sort of like functional and you'll see them they'll be like hold your arm up right and you hold your arm up like this and then they push down they're like resist my and you hold it up and then they put their hand over your ear they give you something that doesn't resonate with you and you just like watch yourself lose your arm strength right and that i think is a really um like visual representation of what it is that we're doing i don't physically muscle test um but really what you're doing is getting yes or no answers from the nervous system or the subconscious and so really what But in that that's happening is you're saying, okay, this I'm strong and you give the body something that it doesn't resonate with and it goes weak.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we can use that concept to really understand anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and we can understand, okay, what is it that the body's holding onto that it needs to let go of?
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I use a pendulum.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then this is where you kind of get into the woo of energy.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, And people are always like, well, how are you muscle testing me over a screen?
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't understand how you're connecting with my energy.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what is this?
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: And the example that I always use with clients is let's imagine you FaceTime your mom or you FaceTime a friend or whoever it is.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: They're really upset.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you feel it?
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  SPEAKER_02: They're really happy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you feel it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's because energy doesn't know distance.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like E equals MC squared, there's no D for distance, right?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: Energy is energy.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same reason you and I are in Denver and Texas, and we can see each other in real time on the screen hearing our voices, right?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: We're working through energy.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: And it's so interesting to me because it's like, I'm not a computer, I'm not technology, but I'm tapping into that same energetics.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: And everyone has their own energetic signature.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so when I I am connecting with your energy.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm literally just taking this pendulum and saying, okay, I'm testing on Ashley's behalf.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: And now we're starting to ask your field, your system for answers on what it needs, what it's looking for, what it needs to let go of what it's holding on to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it's so wild when you do it too, because things will come up that I wasn't even aware of.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden, like I'll, I'll, I'll come in having an emotion or feeling or just feeling a little off or something.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden you start using the pendulum and like, she has all these charts that she goes off of and things will come up.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I would just share a little bit too.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: So when I start the session, I usually go in with an intention that you helped me craft.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like what is holding me back from this intention?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then anything holding you back from that intention will start to unravel.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it is just mind blowing because you start to be like, wow, like, you know me better than I know myself right now.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: now, but it's hitting because then the tears start flowing and you're like, Oh, that's right.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like you, you know, it is the craziest experience.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: I just love the work that you do.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: And it's interesting that you bring that up because I actually think it's a really important point coming back to when you asked me like how I got into this work and something I didn't talk about is, you know, when I started my healing journey, I was so disconnected from myself.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, and I didn't even realize how disconnected I was.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like I always thought of myself as highly empathic, highly in tune, like all of these things.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I started really realizing, like, I actually have no idea what my inner experience was.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: And at the time, you know, people had recommended me to do trauma therapy, all these different things.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I had found that it was triggering these like loops in my mind.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like every time I would be like, oh my gosh, this is the thing that's wrong with me.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I wasn't actually like reaching resolution with anything, but I was more just like churning on it constantly and ending up in these loops.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, when I started doing clearing work, what I actually found similar to what you're talking about was I finally started having language for what I was experiencing.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: And it was this really powerful thing of, you know, even sometimes when I'd be really stressed, I would do a clearing of just like, just clearing whatever's like, whatever's in my field, whatever's coming up, whatever I need to let go of.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'd start going through the clearing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'd be like, Oh my gosh that's what I've been feeling like that's that's the thing right and it's such a subtle way to start to build a connection with yourself and I think that's why it's so resonant for a lot of people because it's not like coming at you it's more just this like oh yeah like that's what I'm feeling and now like I don't actually even need to do anything about it I can just like be held in the fact that i'm experiencing this thing and now i can let it go
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: right
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: and i can just drop it off
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: yeah and like when these things come up you are actually clearing them from the system using light therapy so i
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: actually don't anymore okay
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: tell us more
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: so um i did used to use a cold laser to clear um and it for me actually just felt very disresonant um and I actually just use my own energy to clear now.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm using the energy of my hand, prayer, intention, and really just using the hand over governing meridians in different places to help clear that stagnant energy.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: When you clear distant, you're using yourself as a proxy, right?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I am clearing myself with the intention of it clearing you.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds insane, but it works.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I was totally insane.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: But this is the thing I was going to say is, yes, I guess it It does sound insane, but it's almost like you clearing is one thing, but I think just having the awareness on our own of like, wow, this is what's present for me.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is truly alive for me.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: And just knowing that, because I think it's these things live in our subconscious and even like generational trauma and stuff like that.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: These things are happening without our awareness at all.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden they come into our awareness and now we move through life in a different way, being aware of these things.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like they just disappear on their own,
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: even just from our own awareness.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: happens in being present with what's coming up and being really present with your experience and giving space to those blocks, those patterns, and like allowing yourself to move through it.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: And to the point that you made as well, I think when those come up, it's almost this like, okay, it's coming up, we're releasing the pattern and look, we don't release them a hundred percent, right?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like we're releasing a piece of that a lot of the times, but But then it also, like you said, it brings it into your awareness.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then it just, every time it comes up, it just starts healing itself almost, right?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because you've just like gotten rid of what was in the way so that it can just heal itself.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: And there's like an element of co-regulation there too, because as things are coming up for me, you're testing, things are coming up, you're witnessing my emotion as they come up and you're holding space for me to just Like you take a pause and you just like allow me to like process and cry and like talk through what's coming up.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: And, and then there's like that element of knowing in our own body, like, oh, we're held.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: We're not alone.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: We're safe.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: And like, it's, it's way better than therapy.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: I went to so many therapists.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't really work for me that well, but this is like so magical.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: And.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and I think it goes so deeply into like, even those patterns of illness right and the patterns that we go through and so often we feel so deeply alone we feel not seen we feel not heard we feel not validated and just creating a space where someone can feel that and like oh all of me is welcome here like it's okay to be this way right that alone can create so much space
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: for transformation absolutely and this leads me in to what I wanted to talk to you a little bit more about from the lens of environmental illness, because I know that because of your journey, you've, you know, attracted a lot of people in your practice who have different things, chronic illness, dealing with mold, Lyme, you know, same things you were dealing with.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Are there themes with and patterns that you see with those people that have like a root underlying, like, is there a common root underlying theme there that you see?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: I
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: wouldn't say that there's, well, yes.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I would say, I wouldn't say that there's like one one, well, the one thing that I would say that spans across everything is a lack of safety.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a lack of safety in the body.
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  SPEAKER_02: It can be a lack of safety in relationships, a lack of safety in ourselves, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And we just typically end up in a body that does not feel safe.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I truly believe first and foremost for healing to happen, safety needs to be established.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: And when I first heard about safety, I didn't actually know understand it because it wasn't like an embodied thing.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: I was just like, Oh yeah, you have to find safety in the body.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like whatever that means.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember the more I started doing this work, the more I was suddenly like, Oh, that's.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's safety.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's safety, right?
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like this continued embodied sense.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I think to deeper patterns that you kind of start to see with people who have gone through these journeys beyond just a lack of safety, a lot of times can be, and people might hate me for saying this, but it is truly an addiction to our suffering and like being the victims of our stories.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: That came up a lot for me.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: It comes up for a lot of people.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: And...
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: And the first thing, if you're listening to this and it's triggering you and you're like, I don't wanna suffer, I don't wanna feel like this, this is not what I want, what do you mean?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Know that when I say that, it's also not me saying that you consciously are addicted to this.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: But it becomes this subconscious pattern that we hold.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the easiest thing to kind of come back to is the understanding Like our nervous systems are wired for safety and safety is not what's best for us.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: Safety is known as like, what is familiar, what's comfortable.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so if you can look at the body through this lens, my body is wired for safety.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: Safety is not what's best for me.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's what's comfortable.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: If you have lived a life where suffering has been normal, your parents lived in a state of suffering or scarcity or lack, right.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's like what you kind of understood.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: that becomes your default, right?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: If you grew up in a home where in order to be seen, something had to be wrong with you, in order for a parent to come notice you, hug you, be with you, create presence with you, something had to be wrong with you, a lot of times we see this pattern showing up as well because it's like there is a little part of us that is just screaming for someone to notice us, for someone to see, right?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so So that's really like those patterns can just become so, so deeply ingrained in us.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: my gosh.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's a vicious cycle because if, and I just spoke about this on the last podcast I did, but we talked about that.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, people will be like, I need to build a safe home.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: We need to construct the safest home possible.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing is, if we never feel safe in our first body, we're never going to feel safe in our environment.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: So in addition to building a home, that's just not crap is not going to have, you know, issues and water damage and all that.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's so important.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: You need to minimize your risk.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's so important to do that.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're somebody who's seeking to build a safe home, I always say first, First and foremost,
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: you have to find safety in your body.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: helping the body like turn down the response that it's having to its environment, especially when you start getting into the highly sensitive, the mast cell, things like this, right?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like when you were looking at mast cell, it is truly an oversensitization to inputs from the environment, right?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: And at the core, you're looking at cell danger, which is I'm not safe.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so yes, you might be responding to that VOC.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: You might be responding to that mold spore.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: You might be responding to the EMS, but is the question like, do I need to take away every single input or how can I build enough resilience in myself that my body feels safe within a certain level of exposure, right?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that made sense, but.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, it did.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we have to do all of the things.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we wanna have a good environment, but we can't live our life walking on eggshells.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: That is not healing.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: avoidance.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have to do what we can in our controlled environment, in our homes, Outside of our homes, we're going to be exposed to things and we need to find that safety and resilience.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: always tell my clients, there's no perfect home, right?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, sure, for some people, maybe you have enough funds to build the perfect home, right?
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: But for most people, there's no perfect home.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: And so the question becomes, how can I take my best steps and do my best to ensure that my home environment is the best that I can do with the level of awareness and resources I have?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: And then how can I anchor into building more safety in my body, more resilience in my body so that I can handle what comes at me,
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, absolutely.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I say.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: There's no perfect home.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's just minimizing risk.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Even on brand new builds, even brand new healthy home builds, there's always going to be something because we're building, like humans are building them.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's the human error.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: We just do our best and we minimize as much risk as possible, but simultaneously we need to be working on our inner environment.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that is why I wanted to create this podcast and talk about things like this on it, because, um, you know, I've been the type of person who, once I started going down the rabbit hole of environmental toxins and learning about all these things, it was like, I reached a state of complete hypervigilance, a state of complete fear.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm burning down the house.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I had to, you just as sick as i was before i learned how to get to that point i became even sicker living in the fear and the stress and the overwhelm that everything in my world was killing me and that was the moment that i had to turn the ship around and say hold up this is not healing eliminating toxins is not healing um it's not it's piece of it it's piece of it but it's not the full piece
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: one million percent and i mean i went down a very similar hole right and something that always kind of and i think too so something that stuck with me was like I'm not going to live like this forever like I kept being like I cannot live like this forever and if there's somebody listening that still is in that deep dark hole where you are highly sensitive and you are so reactive to your environment and like you're hearing all of this and you're like but I can't like I literally can't like everything is triggering me what I always anchor into is like okay how can I accept that this is my level of reality right now right like I am this level of sensitive and it doesn't always have to be this way And so that acknowledgement of like where I'm at, what I'm dealing with and like what my current level of sensitivity is with the knowing that like, it's not because the world is out to get you.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's not because there's a problem out here.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: There's a problem in here.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even want to use the word problem, but there's incongruencies here.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so how can we turn down the vigilance?
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: How can we like turn down vigilance and turn up safety so that the body can come into equilibrium and then no longer needs to live that way right because I mean that is a poison like it is it is poisonous to every single part of you and like I mean I'm I like I know you felt this too right like it's like you almost get worse from that obsession and if you don't get off the wagon wheel with that you truly never will and that like for me that's one of the that's one of the things that I love unraveling with clients the most because I think it's just like...
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my God.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: The world feels so much lighter when it doesn't feel like the world is up to
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: get you
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: 20%.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: No, truly.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: So this brings me, I was going to ask this later because I, I want to know this, but for somebody who, who feels that way, you just said, you know, what is a practice that somebody can do today?
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: If they are feeling like, Oh my gosh, I'm so reactive.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so sensitive.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, are there any other than obviously booking a session with you because because it will help.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: Are there any somatic or other practices that you would say someone could walk away from listening to this with?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: A
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: tool that helped me a lot, and what I will say, clearing work helped me more than anything else.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: So yes, and parasympathetic.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: breathing can be so, so powerful.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so using your breath to ground into your parasympathetic nervous system, right?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: So if you've ever done box breathing or 478 breathing, 346 breathing, this can be really, really powerful.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: I like to bring it in with tapping.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so just taking your hand, tapping on your sternum, closing down your eyes and just breathing in through your nose for three.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: Hold at the top.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then exhale for six.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: And as you do this, you can even say to yourself, I am here now.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: I am safe.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: we are safe is also a really powerful one with connecting with your body.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it's like, well, I don't feel safe and our bodies need to hear like, Hey, we're safe.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like we're good.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly feel calmer already.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: You always end our sessions with such like a beautiful meditation or something like that.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just like such a nice, always feels so good.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:39
  UNKNOWN: Yeah.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: what i was going to ask was shoot now i need a moment we'll probably have to cut i need to flip my blinds take your moment
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: they're burning
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: me
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Being
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: rested.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: So do you think that everything can be solved through clearing emotions?
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: So you asked me this like two years ago, I probably would have told you yes.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because I have like solved some crazy stuff from clearing emotions.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: I healed most of my MCAS through emotions, like most of my food sensitivities, environmental sensitivities, And I mean, this gets into, you know, I learned a modality and then like really took that and based on complex chronic, like built my own kind of way of doing things to really address those responses.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so my answer is, I think you can clear a lot.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't think you can clear everything.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: And this is actually why I love working with clients who are working with practitioners as well, because I think the combination of of the energetic, emotional, and the physical, as long as this is aligned with what their bodies truly need, can really help move the needle.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: And something I found on my journey is there were certain things that I was dealing with that I would just be like, I just need to clear it.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: I just need to find the thing to help get the key to the door.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I could clear the same thing a hundred times and nothing was budging.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, what is going on?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I couldn't figure out what was going on.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't until I connected with a colleague and she said to me, muscle test yourself for this.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: And she showed me a supplement.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: I muscle tested it and I go, what did you just send me?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: And why am I testing 10 out of 10 for this?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, that led to me being like, wow, like I really needed this physical input and noticing a lot of my symptoms kind of resolving from that piece as well, which, you know, it was, I'm not going to say what it was because I don't want everyone to go out and like buy this thing.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: But I will say the general consensus with this piece is, you know, you know, understanding to nutrition is a huge, huge, huge, massive component of the healing journey.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I think what people don't realize as well is it actually takes energy for your body to process, integrate, and heal trauma to do somatic.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like even if you're doing somatic work, primal trust, like I don't care what it is you're doing.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: It takes cellular energy to complete that process.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: And when you go through complex chronic conditions, like I found for my Like I had done all the detox work.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'd done all the emotional energetic work, but I'd never done enough work to truly replete myself.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so my energy stores were so low that I wasn't like getting above water, if that makes sense.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, organ meats are a beautiful thing.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: Minerals are a beautiful thing.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Salt.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like if I could tell everyone to just like drink salt.
• 36:14
  UNKNOWN: Yeah.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: The famous salty
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: Mark.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Can you give everyone your recipe for a salty Mark?
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Cause that was like, you became Instagram famous for that for sure.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: I
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: totally did.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: Which is so funny because that was before there was like 600 electrolyte companies that have salt in them.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: And if I had had enough energy, I'd probably be a millionaire from
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: like, but yours is a way cleaner.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's so much cleaner on the market.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: So, so truly all it is, is.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: Usually a teaspoon to a teaspoon and a half, depending on your own sodium needs of Redmond's or I like Redmond's or Celtic.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: Don't at me with the toxin profile.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: If you like a different salt, use that.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: So over the internet.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I usually use like Celtic or Redmond's and then squeeze two limes and And a quart of water.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: So think like giant mason jar, quart of water.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: If you want half that, if you want to do two cups, you can half it into like a 16-ouncer.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: And it is just truly one of the most replenishing, rejuvenating mineral drinks.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: If you have pots, things like that, it's also just like so good.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then for people who need more potassium, you can either put potassium chloride in there or you can do like the same kind of ratio in coconut water.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're ever like, I feel like I need more potassium because it's not going to meet those needs for a lot of people.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: You can also do it in coconut water or you can add a little bit of potassium chloride.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: Do
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: you have a specific potassium chloride that you
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: like?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: I buy from bulk supplements.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: And if you go to the element website, they have the ratio of what they use.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so you can match their ratio.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: Hot tip.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's...
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, okay, not everything can be cleared through emotion.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: Not everything can be cleared, no.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to ask you, can you speak on some of the things that you did?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, first I want to know, what are some of the modalities that you did early in your journey that you're like, I could have totally lived without?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then what are some of the ones that you're like, hell yeah, that worked for me?
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: my gosh, this is such a nuanced question.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: And it's interesting.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because I, and I've talked to a few people about this.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: There's a part of me that's like, I actually don't know in a way, like in a weird way.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like I truly look at my journey and I'm almost like every single thing that I did served a purpose and like, it got me to where I am.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: And like, I have this interesting paradigm around detox and I'll kind of start there where I, if you, I mean, if you go back and look at my story, like I did really, really intense detox for a really long time.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: And as a practitioner now, I really shy away from that.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I really shy away from those really intense protocols that I see people being put on and things like that.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: But when I look at my own healing journey, I do also think that it was what I needed at that time, if that makes sense.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just this really convoluted space of like, I don't know that I'd be where I am if I hadn't gone through like that intense, sometimes barbaric healing that I did but like I wouldn't necessarily like tell someone to do it right like and like I mean I do also look at it and I'm like I think it might have created some long-term issues at the same time right like you know I think there's still some things that I'm unwinding because of that time in my life um but I don't know that I would have done it differently um I'm trying to think if there's anything I like really oh I can tell you a crazy one that I actually like two things that I did.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like repulsed thinking about it.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: So There was this point where I was like really struggling and I was really desperate and I was convinced.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: I forget what I was convinced of.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it was biofilms or candida or like something like going on internally.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: I had a staph infection on my skin and I needed drugs for the record.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: Drugs fixed this very quickly.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: And you will also hear from me like I'm a really big like Western when you need it.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, my God.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: I was drinking.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my God.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's so repulsive.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: I was drinking castor oil and not only drinking castor oil, but I was putting like essential oils in like in the castor oil.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_02: What was that supposed
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: to do?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've never heard of drinking castor oil.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: So castor oil can be anti-parasitic.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's a biofunk buster.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: It also, please don't go out and drink castor oil.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: Disclaimer.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to need a disclaimer on this.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: Disclaimer.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like do not do this.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Do not do this.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, a biofilm buster.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, it just like does a lot of things.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: If you think about what castor oil does topically and the clinic that I went to years ago, they used it for parasite cleansing.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, let's FAFO, like find out.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I'm allowed to say that.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so I, yeah, I drank castor oil and I don't know that I would do it again.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: What happened?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Multiple times.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: I remember waking up in the middle of the night and feeling like there was a boulder in my intestines.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I have to get this out of me immediately.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I obviously did an enema.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: I did pass some crazy stuff.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, it did work.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: I started passing like, not ropeworms, roundworms, like one footers.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of crazy.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then I also, I think I drank like paint.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Not actual paint thinner, but mine.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_02: What is it called?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, it's like this crazy parasite protocol.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's like on like the, the sugar cubes and the, do you know what I'm talking about?
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: But the parasite world, like that world, that world can be very, very damaging if you do not do that correctly.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I destroyed myself because I was taking so much pair one, pair two, all these things for years and never built back my gut.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I spent, I've been, I spent, I mean, I healed my gut finally.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: It took me a year of like replenishment and like parasites were so showing up for me, but I'm like, I have a zero beneficial bacteria at this point.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and like, I mean, that also brings the point of like, okay, if you have no beneficial bacteria left, of course, parasites are still going to throw up or not throw up, maybe throw up because they're now in an environment that is facilitating their thriving.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's both.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, but I feel like a lot of people in this world, when they're like learning mold is playing a role, like that's the funnel we go down.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, it's mold and it's like, and it's parasites and you gotta tackle this first and that and heavy metals and all the things.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, truly, I felt like I was on that roller coaster for a really long time.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: And like you said, I can't agree more.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I felt the exact same way.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like I started to feel better and I was like, yes, here we are.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: But it was never the thing.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, there's definitely things I'm trying to reverse, especially the mindset thing about it.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: And like living life on supplements is like, Not the goal.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I mean, I think like it helped me so much.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: And right.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_02: And like, I mean, I went through like, two, I think I did like two to three years of intense detox.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_02: And what I will say is I think it got me out of feeling like the house was on fire.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: So it was like when I started that, like the house was on fire, like I could not function, but like it didn't get me to a place where I felt normal.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't get me to a place where I felt functional.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't get me to a place where I felt like I could engage in day-to-day life safely.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like it didn't get me to that place.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: And that place, I really got through emotional energetic clearings, nervous system regulation, reframing my perceptions, reframing the way that I see the world and focusing on nourishing my body.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_02: That was a huge, huge piece.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: And you also can't focus on nourishing until you get yourself off that restrictive diet.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's a huge piece too.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, you have to get off these diets that are just taking away your life force too.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's the other piece.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, before my wedding, I was eating like three foods and like this is and I was gaining weight so I was just like what is going on and it was so stressful and then that created more stress and then that led to a whole other thing but like you know um that's so kind of coming back to that food piece um you you helped clear a lot of your food sensitivities through what you do oh yeah is that something that you help people do now and and
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: I do um I don't do it for clients necessarily the same way I did for myself.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but that is actually something that I want to launch a course on and actually teach people how to do it themselves.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because it's a quite easy, I don't want to say easy process, but it's a pretty basic process and it truly after like two, three months of doing it, I went from reacting to most foods and environmental triggers to I'll never forget three months later.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I was clearing mostly foods, some environmental stuff.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: I I was sitting at a restaurant.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_02: There was somebody smoking next to me.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: And typically somebody smoking next to me would trigger like full limbic, like just that full limbic shutdown, like symptoms, all these neuro things.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I literally just sat there and I went, oh.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's like, that's unpleasant.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: Normal.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: And it was like, it was really this moment where I was just like, oh, my gosh, like.
• 47:14
  UNKNOWN: Yeah.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: We did it.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I do that with clients in a different way than that, but we're still working on clearing like those patterns.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: And we will clear foods for clients as well.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like if people are coming in being like, Hey, I'm really sensitive to this, this, and this, like we'll clear it.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: I also, um, a lot of clients, um, we really sensitive to their environments, right.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_02: To their homes.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of times it's not even necessarily that the homes are problem.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a, it's like a learned response to a trigger that the body's still holding.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so I will actually have clients, we'll do a clearing, but then I'll also have them like almost like collect the dust particles from their entire house.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_02: And then we'll do a clearing on like, like what's in the glass of water and you watch people suddenly be like, Oh yeah, I'm fine in my house
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: now.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, wow.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: Totally fine.
• 48:11
  UNKNOWN: Yeah.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: this leads me to something I definitely don't want to forget to ask because we're way off, but what are some of the craziest things that you've seen from clearings?
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to go into like some of the crazy, good, wonderful things, but also just like the crazy stuff we were kind of talking about off camera.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: Totally.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, I've seen like, I mean, So many crazy, like just things that you like, wouldn't believe.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think the easiest one to talk about is like really just like watching people sensitivities, like gone.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like I remember I did a, I did a session with someone and it was our first session and he had expressed to me that he was experiencing pretty much constant panic, anxiety, panic attacks, like total inability to function.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: This had been going on for months and years.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: They'd done EMDR trauma therapy.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like they'd done so many different things that all got triggered after a car accident.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sitting here going in our first session like okay this is gonna take a while like don't don't like get your hopes up too much like I really think there's something structural going on like you know like kind of just laying the land of I think you're probably gonna need some structural support some nutritional support and this kind of support two days later I get a message gone like He was like, I feel totally normal.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I haven't felt this good in years.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like, wow, feel great.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_02: And obviously, like, there's still underlying patterns there, right?
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's not like he's just totally fine in his day to day life.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: No one I've never seen him since.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: But like that level of intensity.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I have watched people.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've cleared.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_02: I used to do this a lot more when I was like deep in the parasite world.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: But like, I mean, I've cleared a lot of people.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think like 50 tapeworms from people where they'll come in, they're telling me something.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, you got a tapeworm next day.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's like in the toilet.
• 50:08
  UNKNOWN: Yeah.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: That happened to me with you in the beginning, early days, liver.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: I believe it.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen like all my clients are like, oh yeah, I'm passing parasites and I'm not parasite cleansing.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, yeah, you're releasing trapped energy.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so a lot of like, I mean, bodily releases happen from clearings.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, a lot of like, Like trying to think like, what's the craziest?
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've seen people, I had a client, her knee was like super swollen and she had like lock knee and then we'd clear it.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_02: And like, she'd send me videos and just be like, oh, look, it's like totally normal now.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like the things that you don't believe.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like people lose belly fat, lose weight.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, it's just
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: crazy.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: It really, there's part of it that feels like witchcraft.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_00: in a way totally but it's not it's not it's not
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: it's not and well and it's interesting because i'm like a very analytical mind naturally like i'm not a very like like I'm not like a super ungrounded, like woo woo kind of person.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so people are like, Oh, she's doing this.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like there must really be something there.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I, it was like, I think it was one of those things for me when I experienced it.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I mean, this is undeniable.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've had, I've had clients tell me they're like, I literally didn't believe in this when I first met with you.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: I was just desperate.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I had a client, she's like in four months of working with you, it's done more for me than 10 years of therapy.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: And, and, I mean,
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: it's just really beautiful.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, but like, like anything we try, anything we do, what works for one person might not work for another person.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure that you've had people who have come through and haven't had or felt anything.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: And like,
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: I
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_02: think too, so often it's timing, you know, I've had, you have people come in and sometimes people like expecting like this giant miracle.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's like, okay, I did this clearing and now I'm going to wake up tomorrow and be better.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't really work that way.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of times, like you might feel lighter, but also, you know, if you're carrying 300 pounds of weight, if not like literal weight, but like energetic weight, right.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: If you take off five pounds from that, do you really think you're going to notice a difference?
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_02: But if you keep coming back and taking five pounds off, five pounds off, five pounds off, five pounds off.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, there are people that either didn't notice a shift or a lot of people too.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: And you asked the craziest things from like the other side, you know, I think this can be, this can happen as well, where, you know, when you clear a lot of times for people, there is a processing period that includes like you almost, you re-experience like what came up.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: And so there can be moments of like heightened emotionality.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_02: There can be moments of almost like feeling those triggers.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, it usually passes in one to two days.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's not like this like long grown out thing, but I mean, I had one of my first clients, she would joke, she would be like, I mean, was it a good clearing if you didn't almost send me to the ER?
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: And you know who this is.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you know, you know who it is.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, that was like literally her perception.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that was my perception in the beginning.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like if I didn't feel absolutely horrible after a clearing, like did it even work?
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_02: and to like the trauma.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_02: So you're taking a system that is literally addicted to its own pain and you're trying to take it away and the body goes, excuse me, I would like that back, please.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so you go through almost this like wrestling period as the body is reacclimating.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's like if you're, if you're doing a detox and you're starting a new protocol and you don't feel anything, if you don't feel a little sick or like a little.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, is it even working?
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: and let's come back to the desire to suffer bring it home right like i mean but it's just so true like so yeah
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: yeah oh my gosh i mean oh i feel like we could talk about this forever because i think that there's just so many layers and so many patterns and i just think it's such a beautiful conversation because it really just brings us back to like loving ourselves and trying to learn and understand ourselves and who we are.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's so beautiful.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a perfect like tie in for sort of my, my question that I'm, I want to tie all of my episodes together with is, you know, how has your journey, whether it's been environmental or the built environment or your own healing, how has it changed you?
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: And what part of your journey has changed you?
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_00: part of yourself has really awakened through this work and what insight has stuck with you the most?
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, in literally every single way is like kind of my first answer to that.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, kind of like I mentioned earlier, before I started this healing journey, like I really do think I was in a lot of ways, a lost soul, right?
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like I had no sense of self-worth.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_02: I was so hard on myself.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't really know who I was.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like there were so many parts of me that were just like floating in space.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: I And this journey, we start because we don't feel safe.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: We start it because we have these symptoms, these experiences that we're just trying to put out the fire.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, that was a great part of the journey.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_02: But I think the true beauty from this journey for me was that it brought me home to myself.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: And it brought me home to who I am, what I believe in, what I stand for.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_02: It taught me boundaries.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: It taught me worth.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: It taught me Yeah.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_02: The ability to just feel at peace in your own being, I think is one of the most profound gifts that we can be given in this life.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it shapes the way that you build relationship, the way that you build connection, the way that you show up in the world.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I mean, I'm just so grateful for this journey.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I wish I didn't have to go through it all, but it led me to me.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's like that's the most beautiful piece of it all.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't agree with you more.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like every every piece of it, whether, you know, through all the hard stuff, it's just really.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_00: even when you can't see it it's like you realize how lucky you are that you get to experience life in such a deep way you know
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: absolutely absolutely
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: beautiful
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_02: and it's like and I think too that like and this kind of ties into it like that like healings it's not like a destination it's ever evolving it's ever moving and like it's part of life
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_00: yeah
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_02: right and I think that's the beautiful piece of it all it's we get to do that and we get to Yeah.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was going to
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_02: say, sometimes it sucks.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: And in a year, we're going to do a part two episode to see how we've changed because I feel like there's always like new things we're trying and what worked for you is different than what's worked for me.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so you just like, like when we were talking about, or when I had asked you, like, what was the thing that you think, you know, made the biggest difference?
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: Thinking back on that for myself, if someone, you know, is going through it, it's hard to know because how you got, how we all got there is so different.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: So how we unravel, it's going to look totally different.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_00: I've tried things that work for people all the time and it is not working for me.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's where it all comes back to getting in touch with your own intuition and listening to the subtle energy of your own body and working with that energy.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: And that is something that Paula does so beautifully.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: So Paula, how can people work with you, find you, connect with you?
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_02: So my Instagram's at polymerywellness.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: Website never got updated.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's polymerysalis.com.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm currently on a wait list, but I have another practitioner, Nikki, in my practice and she is just incredible, has been through a very similar journey herself.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_02: And if you want to work with me, feel free to get on my wait list.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_02: If you're wanting to just do this work and work with someone who's been trained in my ways and done the healing herself she's also incredible
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_00: so
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: yeah
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: awesome well thank you so much for sharing with us paula it's been so lovely to chat with you and we'll have to do another one sometime soon
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_02: please please please i would love that
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