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Healing Your Relationship With Food From the Inside Out with Sabrina Magnan · Stories From The Lost and Found: The Journey Back to Self

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Stories from the Lost and Found.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Krishna Avalon, subconscious therapist, breakthrough coach, and acupuncturist, someone who spent 24 years helping people change from the inside out.
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  SPEAKER_00: I bridge neuroscience and ancient medicine together to show you what's actually driving your life because it's almost never what's on the surface.
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  SPEAKER_00: Each week we'll go deep into the patterns, wounded parts, and the real stories behind why we get stuck and how we find our way through.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're ready for honesty, depth, and tools that actually work, you're in the right place.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am so glad you're here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good morning, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: My name is Krishna.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, and today I'm just so excited to welcome my guest, Sabrina Magnan.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is a relationship coach with food coach and the host of Live Unrestricted, a podcast I binged last night to prepare for our conversation today.
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  SPEAKER_00: So good.
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  SPEAKER_00: A podcast dedicated to helping women break free from food obsession and reclaim their lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Over the past six years, she's worked with hundreds of women to heal a relationship with food and their bodies at the root, not through more rules, but through the nervous system, the subconscious, and the identity level change.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, speaking my language and all of that right there.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she has a signature program called Food Freedom Academy for women who've spent decades consumed by dieting and food noise.
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  SPEAKER_00: Finally find the freedom they stopped believing was possible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sabrina's on a mission to change how the world understands why women struggle with food and what it actually takes to heal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good morning, Sabrina.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am so happy to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, of course.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I wonder what it's like for you when you hear that read back to you or when you speak your own bio out loud, knowing how far you've come yourself.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's such an interesting question because I don't know if you ever experienced this, but I've been doing this for over six years.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I still have a level of imposter syndrome.
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  SPEAKER_01: I still have this voice in my head that tells me that I haven't done enough or I'm not as far as I want to be, which is so silly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I know that you do so much work with the subconscious.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm sure that you see this a lot and you experience it a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it's it's hard for me to sit with it and let it land.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I do see that I've gone to do such amazing work and help so many people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it's always just reminding myself that I am right where I am supposed to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's so beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to thank you for sharing that because it's vulnerable and it's really self-aware to know that you have some imposter syndrome that shows up.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's such a common, foundational, like subconscious belief, but also through the internal family lens system, that framework teaches us that we all have parts of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that imposter syndrome is just meant to be here to keep you aware, to sort of keep you on top of your game and check in because it's afraid that if you are not, that there's a deeper wound under there that you might experience, like you know, fear of being embarrassed or some sort of shame.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, so it's really beautiful that you can name that out loud.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure that your audience and your clients really can relate to that with you and it helps them trust you, I imagine.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, so much of the work that I now do with my clients was born out of what I had to learn for myself, building and growing my career and my business.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because, as you know, uh having an online business and you being the brand is really confronting.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: And you have to look at all of your shadows and all of your triggers and all of your patterns that don't serve you.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is no way out of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I had to go deep into understanding my nervous system patterns, my subconscious blocks.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I often say the way you do one thing is the way you do most things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so being able to relate that back to your relationship with food, your relationship with your body, your disordered eating, it's such a natural process because it really is just from one area of our life to another.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I just think that when you can name them out loud and you're working them in your own system, tending your own wounds, you're guiding and you're teaching others from like that embodied place because I know there are so many people on the internet really trying to coach and guide people from places that they haven't been yet, nor have they really tended those shadowy parts that some people aren't even aware of.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like if I if I could, like, what would you say you work with in your subconscious limitations?
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am right now I'm I'm working on so so many things, but the the biggest one is that I um I've always kind of felt this need to control and um yeah, to control the outcomes in my life.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: And as a result, it it has come through overworking, overdoing, overproducing to the expense and the cost of my own self-trust and kind of listening outwards instead of being able to trust that what I'm doing and who I am and what I know is enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's so interesting because I I had eating disorders, I struggled with disordered eating, and it was the same, but in a different lens.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was okay, I don't know, I don't trust myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let me listen to what everyone is telling me that I should be doing, I should be eating, that I should be moving.
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  SPEAKER_01: There were so many shoulds.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the more you lose trust with yourself, the more you go outwards trying to find the answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you get so disconnected from yourself that to begin eating, quote unquote, normally, which is what everyone wants, to have a healthy relationship with food and now a healthy relationship with work, it is required to be able to trust yourself, to listen to yourself, to be in connection with yourself and with your body and with your intuition.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's so powerful to want to again be self-aware and to know that about yourself and know what you're working with.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: But like I know from my frameworks, like if you don't have those ways to get into the subconscious, you're using your conscious mind to basically try to talk yourself into stuff like pet talk and journal and all of that can be helpful, but it takes a lot longer.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm wondering how you get to drop in and like what tools do you use for yourself?
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I um I'm spending 45 minutes to an hour every morning meditating and kind of bringing to mind different scenarios in my life that trigger these wounded parts of myself, trigger these patterns, these mindsets, these emotions that are no longer serving me, are no longer in my highest good.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I hold space for those parts.
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  SPEAKER_01: I allow them to communicate with me, to tell me what they're afraid of, to tell me how they are protecting me, and being able to give them the space to communicate their biggest fears, because ultimately, if I just try to white knuckle and be like, I'm just not gonna do this anymore, and we're gonna do this instead, it's just gonna create more friction and internal battle.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so being able to recognize what are these things doing for me?
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  SPEAKER_01: What am I afraid is gonna happen if I let go of this pattern or this thought or this identity?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then creating safety around doing something different, becoming someone different, having different patterns in my life so that they no longer feel so scary.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because, as you know, so I think everyone wants change.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everyone wants to improve their life, everyone knows that there are certain things in their life that if they changed it, their life would improve.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: But we never become aware of the fact that sometimes those things that we want to change feel extremely dangerous to our nervous system.
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  SPEAKER_01: It feels like a threat.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we end up feeling like this conscious desire to change, but our body pumps the brakes and we experience that as self-sabotage or being stuck or getting in our own way.
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  SPEAKER_01: When it's really when you can create safety around creating that change, then you no longer feel this internal battle within yourself.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, for one, I want to just congratulate you because you're not just like reciting things that you've read in a book or heard on a podcast or somebody else say, like it you've really taken these tools and incorporated into your daily life and into your non-negotiables.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so I really respect and admire you for that.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because again, then you're gonna be guiding others from that place, and it's just very honest.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I mean, it sounds like you're doing IFS essentially, you're holding space for the parts of you that need your attention, you're letting them know that they're not alone, you're even offering um to validate their experience, which is what our parts need.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to be dismissed and so many other frameworks, even meditation.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm a like huge meditator for a very long time now.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Even meditation is in in some ways trying to like help you transcend some of your discomforts.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas I of us is like, nope, you need to actually be with the uncomfy parts, and when they get to like learn to trust us, like Sabrina that is in her self-energy, is already within you, whole, loving, present, wise, curious, playful.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: Then they can start to like relax and let you lead, and they can become less extreme in their um expressions.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: So you're doing that.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well done.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder if um, I don't know, do you do you have something you want to say about that before I ask you a question?
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I remember when I I learned about IFS a couple of years ago, it was like this light bulb went off in my head, and things started making so much sense about why I just kept feeling so much frustration, especially like I have a big perfectionist part.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I would start working, and then that perfectionist part would turn on, and then I would get frustrated that I was being a perfectionist and I was like, Oh, I'm wasting so much time because I'm redoing the same thing over and over again.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I would get more dysregulated because now I was frustrated at this part.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember when I started learning about IFS, I tried to do something different where I was like, okay, instead of just powering through and just having that perfectionist part get more extreme and more intense, and then instead of doing this in 30 minutes, it's taking me four hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let me just take a step aside and spend time with myself and listen to like, what is this perfectionist part doing for me?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: What is it protecting me from?
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  SPEAKER_01: And instead of feeling like so much tension in my physical body and this headache that would show up anytime I would work from that place, it was just this softening.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it felt like it felt like for once I was actually working with myself.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I would be lying if I would say that I'm perfect at applying IFS in every situation in my life because we are all humans, and having just this reminder that there is there's just there's too much of a cost to try to power through.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's just gonna keep me in the same place for so much longer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so having that softness and and letting things be and letting them express themselves has been so incredibly valuable for me.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: It really is.
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  SPEAKER_00: It changes your life.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, what you just said, I do want to validate your perfectionism and your control because like even preparing to meet with you and you like have your assistant and you have your systems in place and hearing like the story that brought you into the work that you do, I'm like, you know, those protectors really do help us survive and get shit done.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so they get a lot of cred in society, the perfectionism, the overworking that you named, and yet they're really uncomfortable if they're trying to control your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I also like it's crazy when we learn to validate those parts of us instead of not like them.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just that we can have parts that are in conflict with each other, and that is really difficult because most people don't have the tools that you and I have.
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  SPEAKER_00: They just don't.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I just feel like it's important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, as much as I would like to go meditate in the mountains off-grid, away from people, like bringing this work into the world, like what I find is that this is the healing that the world is asking for, and it seems like you know that as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I agree.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was captivated by your story in Italy and also after your sister's baby shower or during your sister's baby shower when you like were really hit with the reality of your situation that you instead of being able to enjoy your sister opening up gifts and being with friends and family at this joyous experience, you were at the buffet table or the table with food, like counting calories.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want to speak to that at all?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I um I started I started becoming obsessed about my weight and about food when I was 16 after being a elite synchronized swimmer for eight years, which is a lot of perfectionists and a lot of focus on the way that your body looks.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so when I was 16, I just became so terrified of gaining weight and what that would mean about me and my worth.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I started counting calories, I started over exercising, and I didn't know what it meant to be genuinely healthy.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was you don't eat carbs and you eat as little as possible.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so for years and years, I went through different flavors of disordered eating where I would be good all day and then binge at night, or be good all week and then binge on the weekends.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: And when I went to university, it turned into this hyper control of food in my body, where I would obsess over every ingredient that went into my food, how many calories I was eating, how many calories I was burning.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought I was doing all of this in the name of health.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought that once I hit a certain weight, I will feel happy, I will feel confident, I will feel loved.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I got completely disconnected from the reality, which was that I was more miserable, more isolated, more disconnected from the world and from myself, even though I was at the lowest weight I had ever been.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was 30 pounds underweight and I was losing my hair and I was cold all the time.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I had this rock bottom moment at my sister's baby shower, where, as you mentioned, um, this was a day that was supposed to be so joyful.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: I was becoming an aunt for the first time.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: And instead of being present with the people that I love so much, all I remember from that day was being glued to the buffet table, going back for seconds, going back for thirds, going back for fourth plates without feeling like I was in control of myself or of my body or of my choices.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: I would go back and forth between the buffet table and the washroom.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: I was so uncomfortable physically and mentally.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: When my sister was opening her gifts, I was plugging everything that I binged on into my fitness pal.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: And that night I was sitting in my parents' basement and I was so I felt sick.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: I felt so horrible.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I just had this come to Jesus moment where I realized, like, what am I doing all of this for?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what is what is this going what is this getting me?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because I am miserable, I am anxious all the time, I don't feel in control of my life, my life has gone so small, and I don't know how to get out of this.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was like this vicious cycle where we know that this is keeping me stuck, and I don't know how to get out of it.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I had this thought of if I am 80 years old and I am still doing this and I'm still living my life this way, I am going to have so much regret about the life that I missed out on because I was so obsessed with food in my body.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: And being able to borrow that regret that I would feel in the future is what woke me up and made me realize if I don't do something about this now, and I keep letting myself believe this idea that I'm gonna be ready, I'm gonna feel ready, I'm never gonna feel ready.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is gonna be uncomfortable, this is gonna be hard no matter when I do it.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so I it planted the seed that something needed to change.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I ended up going to Italy that summer because I had always wanted to go to Italy.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was a life dream of mine.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I realized that I almost didn't go because I was so scared of gaining weight and of eating carbs and cheese and pasta and gelato, all of these things that now would get me so excited to go to Italy at the time terrified me.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: And to see how afraid I was of going on a trip that I wanted to do my entire life, it made me realize like you have to do this.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: You have to do this, even though you're terrified.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: And being in Italy, I I really do feel like I had this just like it was intuition.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was, it was, it was infinite guidance that got me to that country because I got to have this perspective of what it's like to have a healthy relationship with food.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: No one there talks about calories or burning off their gelato or going to the gym for two hours.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: People there have this relationship of connection and nurturing and nourishment when it comes to food.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it was by seeing that that it planted the seed that things could be different and that there were some really disordered ways that I was relating relating to food.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: So when I got back from that trip, I decided I was like, I I want to I want to learn everything there is to know about your relationship with food, about food obsession, about disordered eating, because all we're getting is the rules and the diets and the have more willpower advice that just was not addressing how deep and complex our relationship with food and our body actually is.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness, that's just so deep and wise.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know how old you are, but I mean, to go through that and just to even realize maybe not in the moment that you were borrowing regret from the vision of your 80-year-old self.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, how did you even know that you were doing that?
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, was it something higher than you coming through as a message?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: A hundred percent.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: I've always been one to uh think about the future a lot.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: My dad is an accountant, therefore, there was a lot of talk around like invest now so that you're setting yourself up for later.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of the decisions that I've made in my life, I've been okay with short term discomfort, knowing that it would serve the future version of me.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that as A young age, I really lived that way thinking about what would the future version of me want right now?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: What would she ask me to do?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: What would she be begging for me to do differently or to continue doing?
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that was just a really clear message that just popped in my head of the the future version of you would beg you to do something different now, would beg you to make a change now.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: And as much as having like a very number-oriented, like structured, like parent could be, you know, whatever, helpful as well to in some way get you planning for, you know, I wish I had that sort of structure in my life because even though you went through that turmoil and still struggle with some imposter syndrome and parts of you that are uncomfortable, you have that foundation, right?
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like you had a parent and a father figure in that way looking out for you and inviting you to think of your future.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: So that's really beautiful.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: I read that you were, it was six years ago, yes, that you created your business.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: And how do you have that set up now?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how do people typically find you?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because there are so it seems, you know, I've been a practitioner for 24 years.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: I hear people's most intimate stories.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I'm the one that they check in with the most, right?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how many people have people in their lives where they can really like be like, hey, how are you?
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then like you really get to say, you know what I mean?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: How do people find you?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I have a couple of different ways.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: I have my own podcasts, Live Unrestricted, and I get a lot of people finding me from that platform.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: I, as we were talking about before, I'm not one who's really good at distilling what I do and what I teach in a 30-second reel.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: I I love to go deep.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think that as much as I think social media is amazing and wonderful, and it it's a great way to reach people, I think that there's a lot of black and white on social media, and so much of what I do is nuanced, and there's a conversation that needs to be had, and it cannot be generalized to everyone needs to do this, no one needs to do this.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so I love the podcast because I get to go deep on all of these topics, but I also have people who find me from social media or from being a guest on other people's podcasts as well.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's perfect because what I meant to finish saying when I was just talking is how many people struggle with their food, whether it's just unconscious eating, eating late at night, um, knowing they should be eating better, but they just can't.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so a lot of times I'm working with reprogramming people's beliefs around like I deserve to feel healthy in my body.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: I deserve to feel radiant and sexy in my body.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: I it's safe for me to make healthy choices, you know, like things that if we create in our subconscious mind, take a lot of the heavy lifting out of just making those healthy choices be easy, right?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's just so hard.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like how many people start their New Year's resolutions, and it's like, I think the stats are 10 days in and people fall off with the self-sabotage because we don't have those programs, most of us instilled that it's like I can do anything I want, or I can follow through, or I deserve to feel how I want to feel in my body.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I also love that you said that the podcast is where you get to go deep, because that's really the direction that I want to take my work.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Also, it's just it is so hard.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: I heard you say on your podcast last night that I listened to like, you know, with people on there trying to use their hooks as a like, do this one thing and everything will change.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's so full of shit.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so for you to be able to just um be real and go into like a, you know, even a 20-minute solo episode, I can see why um so many people find you there.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: And to answer your question, I when I started doing this work and I would tell people about it, I was so shocked at how many people would share with me, oh my God, I struggle with this, I binge in secret, or I'm trying to lose weight, and I have this unhealthy relationship with food.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: And oftentimes, you know, especially the women I work with, from the outside, they are self-aware, they are smart, they are type A, they are high functioning, and you would never know how much they are struggling on the inside, because there is such a high link between high achieving and our relationship with food and disordered eating.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because oftentimes it's not even so much, at least for at least for the women I work with, it's not so much about I deserve to eat in a way that feels good, but it's more so that either on one side of the spectrum there's the binging or on the other side of the spectrum, there's the restricting and the control.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Those things feel so protective for them.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: It is create, it has such a big role in their life, whether it's helping them escape emotions that they don't yet know how to sit with and process, or it's a distraction from things in their life that they don't want to look at that aren't going well, whether it's the relationships or the career or how they feel as a mom.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so we use food as a way to change our internal state, to feel a sense of safety, to feel a sense of control in this world when we don't know how to produce that within ourselves.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so to let go of that, it feels like you're letting go of your life jacket, but you don't know how to swim.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: It feels so life-threatening and so dangerous.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you just said that so beautifully and so articulately because I mean, every woman I know in some way deals with a food issue.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Whether it's just always thinking about what you're eating, when you're gonna eat, did I eat too much?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: I need to exercise.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think, like how do you work with people?
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: Is it one-to-one?
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Is it in groups?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: How do you have your structure set up?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I offer both.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I do have a couple of one on one-to-one clients.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: I can only take so much at a time because it is a lot of time and energy invested in that.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then I also have a group format.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I've created an online course where I teach all about the subconscious mind, the nervous system, and its relationship with eating, body image, self-care habits.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: I teach about how to reconnect with your body, how to strengthen your uh your your interoception, your ability to hear your body, to listen to your body, to trust your body.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I teach about habits as well, because I was lucky to have habits come pretty naturally to me.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: And when I started studying the science of behavior change, I just realized how many people they go from zero to a hundred and they've never really been taught how to systematically and progressively build health-promoting habits that will become part of who they are, something that they do naturally instead of something that they have to willpower through and force themselves to do and feel like it's a chore to do.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so I teach all of that through my course.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then along with that, I'll have live group coaching calls where they can come in and ask their questions and get co-regulation from the other members in the group and recognize how not alone they are and reduce some of that shame that we hold on to when we feel like we're the only person who's struggling with something.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: And how do you have your group program set up?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is it like three months, six months?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Do you meet weekly?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: So they get lifetime access to the course so they can go at their own pace and they can they can come back to anything that they want to come back to.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then they have three months of the group, the community and the calls available to them.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: And after the three months, where you're really getting into the implementation, the integration, they get to choose if they want to continue with the group.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: So if they want to continue having access to the community and the calls, or if they feel like I'm I've got the foundation set up, I can go and keep applying on my own.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's really at their discretion of what they feel will be the most beneficial for them, they have the option to continue or not.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: That is so beautiful.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like I just learned from you.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: I love that structure.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: And because you have those, you know, controlling and perfectionist parts, like what as an entrepreneur, because of course I'm an entrepreneur and I'm gonna definitely have entrepreneur listeners.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is the system that you have in place that you feel most supported by?
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, what an amazing question.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I've ever been asked that.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um I would probably say the overall structure and enrollment of the program.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I've put enough systems in place so that someone can enroll.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: They get access to the program, they have access to the group, they know how to make the most of it, they know how to come to the calls, they know how to engage in our community, they have everything that they need without me having to be in there and do any of that manual labor.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: I've really set up and streamlined that process so that the second someone comes into my world and into my program, they feel supported, they know what to expect, they know what they're getting, and um they just feel safe with their decision that they're gonna be taken care of.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to ask you that more outside of our recording because this is the way that I'm stepping into my own business.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: So you're really teaching me right now, and I love that because I always say, like, I learned so much from young people, especially the whole systems thing.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because what brought me out of like I've had a practice for 24 years entirely word of mouth, zero strategy, zero strategy, which is how I met you in our MCM mastermind.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'd never had a coach, never been in a mastermind.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Trickles of intuition led me to Lori, never heard of her.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: And and and really, like just something landed right before that about like really, if you want more freedom, you've got to have your systems in place.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's pretty true.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I I'm there, like I'm getting there very quickly, just with some structure and the coaches in that group who are helping me get set up.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, I'm I'm so curious about that because I I get from you that you're you're so like you have a plan and you have a strategy and a very clear vision, and your heart and your mind are very much in alignment for um the work that you're doing in the world, and I really see you.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I appreciate that.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think the flip side of the coin is I can see the way that you you operate, and one of the things I'm actually working on is softening that masculine side of the way that I operate in my business because um my brain will will get hyper-focused on the structure and the systems.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: And if I learn something new, it gets recorded in my brain as a rule.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: And as a result, it it can it can mute my my essence, my imperfections, what makes me me.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm really like I'm I'm in this active process and in this void of shedding some of those things that I've taken on over the years to come back more to my essence and and being okay with doing things imperfectly or not the way that I've been taught.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because at a certain point you get too caught up in that and you lose yourself.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's so brilliant, once again, for you to know this about yourself, because that's a lot of the boss babes that I work with are super type, producing, achieving so much in the world.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: They're so good at what they do, they're like CEOs, but like they want to open their heart to love, they want to be more feminine, they want to trust more, they want to self stop self-doubting.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um prior to having a strategy in my business, the best thing for my business has always been, first of all, just being so good at what I do, loving it.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then, second, like anytime I would unplug, go do what I love, which is out in nature, like resourcing my energy, I'll come back and like my schedule is full for weeks or months, you know what I mean?
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like because of what I do to that, you know, resonance of like what you like what I'm trying to broadcast, I'm I'm actually doing myself, and and people feel that for me, and and that's great, but I could also be having more impact.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for teaching me what that could look like, you know.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's a good yin and yang situation here.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, is there anything else you'd like to share?
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because of course we're gonna have all of your info in the show notes, and I'm gonna be posting it in my all all my places, but anything else you'd like listeners to know about you or your business?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think what's coming through is I've been having a lot of conversations with clients, members in my community, but also close friends in my life.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm noticing just how much we we try to quote unquote fix our problems by doing more or by focusing on like the 5% of your conscious mind and by trying to double down on just trying harder without recognizing that so much that drives us is our nervous system and our subconscious mind and bringing awareness to okay, why is this protecting me?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Where is this coming from?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Getting in touch with the somatics of the experience of what we're going through and slowing down.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I haven't worked.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: I've been doing podcasts and and and client work, but other than that, I haven't worked in three weeks.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: And this is the first time in six years of business that I've taken time off of work.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it was very much my body was just telling me, like, I need you to slow down, I need you to get some space, I need you to get some perspective.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it was really uncomfortable at first because I would notice all of these nervous system programs.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: You need to work to make money, you need to work, you need to be stressed about this, you need to worry about this.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I wouldn't, I would notice those old programs reving up.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then I would, okay, let's let's create some space, let's let's soothe this nervous system, let's remind myself that I'm safe.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it's been so beautiful because I've been off of work for three weeks and I've been so supported.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: I've had clients coming through, things that I never could have predicted or controlled.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so the more you can tap into the things that we're so afraid to do that we feel that we are keeping us safe, um oftentimes when we can do the opposite and we can push ourselves into that discomfort while holding ourselves in it, there is so much growth and beauty on the other side of it.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, beautifully said.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: And wait attend to your nervous system so that you can continue to hold your growth and expansion and again teach what you're teaching from an embodied place.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just I'm really proud of you and your nervous system.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: You're welcome.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for your time today.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was lovely to chat with you.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: I know that your work is powerful and you're you're doing very good things in this world.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was so lovely to chat with you.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's a wrap on today's episode of Stories from the Lost and Found.
• 39:55
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• 40:05
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• 40:08
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• 40:09
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• 40:16
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• 40:17
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