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Lever 5: Purpose - The Motivating Force for Longevity and Happiness | Thrive A/F Ep. 6 · Thrive A/F (After Forty)

• Lou Fratto: And I remember thinking, you know what? I've always wanted to be, well, I've wanted to be a physical therapist since I was a little kid. Let me go back and take the classes and go to physical therapy school and do it. And and I remember even saying in my head, because I want to help people. Keith: All right, welcome back. Thrive Nation. Welcome back to another episode of Thrive AF. That's Thrive After 40. I am one of your podcast hosts, Keith Kalija, and I am one of the owners of CrossFit Terminus at Atlanta, Georgia. And I'm here with my good friend, Lou Fratto. So Lou, say hello to the nation. Lou Fratto: Hello nation. Lou Fratto here. Physical therapist down in Delray Beach, Florida. Keith: There you go. Right on. Yeah, physical therapist, longevity specialist, got it all going on. So we are here. ready to go. Our topic today is an interesting one because, like our first lever that we talked about, mindset, it's not Lou Fratto: Yeah, true. Keith: really rooted in physical fitness or physical therapy. It's a little more in the realm of mental agility and and I think emotion sometimes. But the the lever we're gonna talk about today is purpose and sense of purpose. So it's gonna be a really good discussion. maybe a little bit different than some of the ones we've done in the past, but still I think it'll be a really good topic for us to dig into. So Lou Fratto: Yeah. Yeah, you and I were talking about it. It's kind of like not as I don't know. I think we both decided we wanted to keep it less structured, because it's so that's such a personal thing, you know, your purpose. And the last thing I want to do, I'm sure you agree, is, you know, try to impose my purpose on somebody else, you know. Keith: Yeah. Yeah. And that may not even be possible because it is so personal to everyone. But there are some things that we can talk about that Lou Fratto: Yeah. Keith: are more rooted in science and research that do make a connection between having a purpose and the main focus of the podcast, which is longevity. So that's where I think it gets interesting is it's kind of philosophical or ephemeral, but on the other hand, there is actual science and research that backs up the fact that it plays a really important role in these kinds of things. So looking forward to digging into that. So all right. First, before we do that, we got to do one thing. And that is a little bit of a callback to something we talked about on our last episode, which was about sleep. And this came up because after we put the podcast out, we talked a little bit about part of the conversation where you talked about Lou Fratto: Yeah. Yeah, let's let's do it. Keith: part time in your life where you were really burning the candle at both ends and had kind of a a mindset that was counterintuitive to some of the things we were saying about sleep and the fact that you almost wore it like a badge of honor that you could go without sleep and outwork everybody. And you know, I have felt that way as well in my life, but I think we wanted to talk a little bit about that and and just kind of clarify, the thinking on that. right. Lou Fratto: Yeah. I mean, yeah, so I so and I was actually critical of myself for being that way. And and then as we were talking, we realized that, we want to make sure we're not being critical to people who have to do that, you know, and and the and to be honest. Of those couple of decades or maybe even three decades where I did it, there was plenty of time during that where I was doing it for a very good reason, whether it was just a super busy schedule raising kids and, you know, with work and everything, or trying to l learn something new and that was the only time to study or just whatever, fit in exercise, you know, before work hit, that kind of thing. And I feel like that's Keith: Yeah. Lou Fratto: Those are very valid reasons. And I you know, I want to make sure that I didn't offend anybody by trying to, you know, say that those weren't. cause they are absolutely, and that's there are times in your life where you gotta do and you gotta power through. And I think we even talked about this where hopefully you're doing the other things that allow you to. power through it and then you catch up on your sleep at some other time. But there was a lot of times when I just did it because it was part of my identity. And that's the part I was saying I meant to say was overboard and wasn't necessary, you know. Keith: Mm-hmm. Yep. No, that's a really good clarification because I felt the same way. There were there was a time in my life where getting up early and going to the gym and being there before anybody else was really the only way to to fit it in. And I had the same kind of feeling where it started to become a little bit part of my identity, You know, we would talk about ourselves the class that that started at 5 30 in the morning as the toughest class, you know, partially joking, but you you do kind of feel that way. but I think you're right, is like we just wanted to, I think, honor people that might be listening or just people in general that do get up in. early in the morning to do the things they need to do or stay up late at night because there's, classes at terminus start at 5 a.m. And so, you know, people that that go to those classes are up at 4 30. And not only that, but the coaches that get up and get themselves out of bed and are there and such a big part of the terminus community is something that I have a ton of respect for. And really appreciate them getting out there. the coaches and the athletes and doing what they gotta do because really it's probably more related to where you are in life and what your life situation is for for most of them than it is about ego. So cool. All right. Well I think that was good sort of clarification on that topic. And that then means without further ado, we can jump into the the theme, the lever of purpose. So Lou Fratto: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Keith: Do you want to introduce it a little bit and talk about how you went about it in your book? Lou Fratto: Yeah, you know, so purpose is like you said, it's it's ephemeral. It it changes, it's dynamic and fluid and it changes based on your t maybe the time of whatever time of life you're in. but you could basically boil it down to, the research shows that if you have a reason to get up in the morning, you know, you're more likely to be healthy. I think one reason is your body sort of subconsciously says, okay, there's a purpose here. I've got to, you know, stay healthy. But also you could call it an activator lever in the sense that if you have a purpose then you're more likely to pull the other levers as well. You know, you're more likely to eat better, you're more likely to maybe exercise, you're more likely to try to sleep better, whatever. so it could be sort of an underlying foundation for the rest of your healthy behaviors, Keith: Yeah. No, I think that's a really good point. And I think, in other settings, you might hear the word vision sometimes used interchangeably, like in a corporate setting. you you typically have the vision, which is the highest level thing that the organization is focused around trying to achieve. Underneath that you have Things like strategies and goals that layer down to the individuals that are part of that organization. I think it's a little bit different, like sometimes we have a vision, but you think about it a little bit more like purpose, it makes a lot of sense kind of the way that it it's parallel to that thing that you use as a foundation for all the other different activities that you're doing. Lou Fratto: Yeah, and I mean I what just because of the type of person that I am, I know really well what makes me tick. And so and I know how to pull my own strings. So for me, what has helped for a lot of years was first to articulate my purpose, which is basically okay, it's to help, active adults quickly get back to the activities that they love and then remain in and excel in those activities, you know, all the way up through their 90s and maybe even hundreds. but I said, okay, I need to do a protocol every day that helps me show up as the best version of myself. maybe even gives me the strength for two, you could say, so that I can not only show up but help other people and you know, give me the bandwidth to do that. And there's a certain protocol that I know that if I do it every day, I have the best chance possible of showing up as the best version of myself to I can help people, And so that helped me kind of put it all together and has kept me more motivated to do the rest of the stuff, Keith: Huh. Yeah, I don't think you shared that with me before that you had a specific protocol. That you do every day. That's really interesting. is that something that you're comfortable sharing a little bit more about? Because I know I would like to hear. Lou Fratto: Yeah, so it's yeah, so it kind of boils back to or starts back with what we were talking about last podcast where the day starts the night before. So, you know, trying to get the best night's sleep and and and it's you know, as I've said, that's a challenge for me, but trying to do that and then waking up at a certain hour that gives me a a chance to be creative before reactive. And I think that's a Cal Newport saying, you know, get up and do your creative stuff first before you check emails and phone messages and that kind of thing that requires you to be reactive. So that's how I was able to write the book. I s I got up, got a cup of coffee, boom, and I would just start writing and I would, earmark a certain amount of time for that. Then it was, okay, now let's go exercise for a given period of time because I feel so much better when I do that and my brain works better. And then meditate for, 10 minutes or so and then basically go to work and then make sure that I, eat w the diet that I figured out that works best for me so that I have, c a clear head and can function the best that way too. But what I realized was if I do all of that, I just show up just much more loose and friendly and just just, my brain works better and I'm optimistic for people and myself and Keith: Yeah. Lou Fratto: I just it just works better, And and the thing is the The worse you feel, the more important it is to stick to your protocol. So on the days where you feel really crappy, that's when you really gotta do the the things that you know make you feel the best. Even though those are probably the times when you don't feel like doing it, you know. Keith: Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Right. Yep. Yeah, that's a good point. you talked about your purpose being related to the work that you do and helping people feel better and live more pr you know, productively longevity wise? have you always had that purpose since you started down the track with physical therapy? Or is that something where in the beginning of your career you were a little bit more Lou Fratto: Yeah. Keith: short term focused on trying to make it and figuring out what you wanted to do and then realize that yes, this is my purpose in life or Lou Fratto: well, I definitely became a physical therapist because I wanted to help people, I remember thinking because I was in a job that I wasn't really feeling fulfilled with. And I remember thinking, you know what? I've always wanted to be, well, I've wanted to be a physical therapist since I was a little kid. Let me go back and take the classes and go to physical therapy school and do it. And and I remember even saying in my head, because I want to help people. And I felt like that was the the that was my way that I could really help people because it's I've always been into exercise and wellness and stuff like that. So it it sh it chimed really well with with me. so yeah I started off that was the reason behind it. And I think that there's probably some physical therapist out there that, maybe got into it for other reasons, maybe, but you you have to it's a t it's a tough job in the sense that, people are hurting, and Sometimes you're seeing them when they're really beat up and you have to be able to draw upon a lot of energy and and you have to rem remember that that you're there to help them and that helps you kind of have the bandwidth and power through it. And i if you got into the job for other reasons, like maybe it was listed as the top ten careers in US News and World Report, which it has been for fifteen years or whatever, that's when it starts to, you you s you see people start to kinda get frustrated Keith: Yeah. No, that makes sense. I was just curious if you went into it with this purpose in mind or if it develop over time, but sounds like a little bit of both. maybe it got re you knew that it was there, but you refined it as you got into it and realized, okay, like I'm in the right lane. This is what I am kind of made to do, which is really nice. Yeah. Well, and then like that is a purpose that aligns with the work that you do. But then I know a lot of the stuff that you talked about in the book is finding purpose outside of yourself and that's not tied to Lou Fratto: Yeah, I think Yeah, yeah, I definitely have refined it over the over the years for sure. Keith: Things like a career. Is that something you can talk about? Lou Fratto: I guess I could say that there's probably like two two drivers of purposes, maybe that I could think of one would be like external things. Like maybe you're trying to, exercise to complete a marathon, or maybe you want to go see like all fifty states, something like that. That would so that to me sounds external in the sense that okay, once you accomplish that, then you've I think it's okay th to have those. Those are great. I have those all the time. And they motivate you and they motivate me. But once you accomplish it, then you gotta make sure you fill it with something else. because then back to that temporary thing and the fluid thing. But if you can find maybe a purpose where it's like, okay, it comes from more internal, like I wanna mentor youth or something like that, that could be easier to sustain. I don't know. What do you think about that? Keith: I feel like the way I think about it is there is a distinction between purpose and goals. And goals to me could be short, medium, or long term. And that is something that I would define like a marathon, And regardless of the time frame on those, you're right, they're a specific achievement. And, if it's time-based or if this sort of milestone-based, then there's an end to it. Like I've achieved that goal. And when I think about purpose, it's a little more like of the a foundation for working towards. And you can use it as a like a lighthouse to keep yourself on track, not necessarily something that you eventually achieve, and tie it to things like the the your own values, the things that you value, family and friendship and sometimes faith and other things that aren't really tied to something specific. And so Lou Fratto: Yeah. Keith: You know, I think that they're synergistic, goals of purpose, but that they kind of serve a little bit of different purpose, so to speak, Lou Fratto: it's a tricky topic because it's so it could get so philosophical. I think in the book I tried to keep it Keith: Yeah. Lou Fratto: it as simple as possible. It may even be one of the shorter shorter chapters, because it's just I just didn't I I knew that you could really bite off something more than you could chew, you know. Keith: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. There's whole books, written about finding your purpose, finding your way. There's a whole sub industry based on it. But I do think you struck a pretty good balance in the book because you did bring up some things like studies we mentioned before and research that kind of tie the fact that it does have an impact physically. Lou Fratto: Yeah. Yeah. Keith: on how long you live and how well you live. So do you remember any of those or do you want me to do you want me to jog your memory on them? Lou Fratto: Well, I think one I gave credit to Robert Butler, right? Is it Robert Butler? and he basically showed that, people with a clear goal ha outlived people who didn't, right? And and actually as I was doing a little more research on that, I think he was you could say maybe he was in charge of the center where that was done, but it's another Keith: yep. Mm-hmm. Lou Fratto: scientist with the last name Boyle was I think the one who actually conducted the study, but he was Butler was in charge of it. And then another one that really blew my mind was the the houseplant study. Keith: yeah. Lou Fratto: that's where they took nursing home residents who, hadn't had visitors for X amount of time and they were I think they were in their 90s. And half of them they gave a houseplant to take care of and the other half they didn't. And the the the ones that took care of the houseplant outlived the the other group by eighteen months. I mean it's just just for because they had a houseplant to take care of. So yeah. Keith: Yeah, that's wild. I think you've talked a couple of times about people that are patients of yours that may be in a long-term relationship with a spouse and their purpose, one of their purpose becomes taking care of the other spouse. And when that purpose disappears, there's a danger there that the remaining spouse might go down quickly because they've sort of lost the the purpose that they had in life. Lou Fratto: Yeah. And even something just like retirement, I haven't retired yet, but I could see how it gets a little trickier to maintain a purpose. Keith: Mm-hmm Lou Fratto: You know, you have to kind of put some thought to it. Okay, I'm getting ready to retire. And what's the next step for me? You know, what's the next stage? And I would just encourage people that, hey, it's Keith: Yeah. Lou Fratto: doesn't have to be over. You like again, what do we say? We want to make our last 30 years our best. And I can't say that I know it from experience myself because I'm not retired yet, but I have seen thousands of patients who are still doing really great things after retirement. and still I think better said would be they're still flourishing and thriving in retirement because they have a purpose and those can be all over the board, you know, it could be, you know, just trying to perfect your golf game or I have patients who, sp picked up painting after they retired or sculpting, just anything like that. Something to make you get up in the morning, make you ha make you have a reason for getting up. Keith: Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. volunteer work is something that comes up often when you read or talk about this topic because it's that idea of finding something outside of yourself that gives you a reason to contribute. And I've been fortunate enough to be able to do a little bit more of that in the past year. And also the company that I was with at US Bank had a really good volunteer program that I was doing a fair amount of volunteer hours. And I think one of the things you notice is that some of the core volunteer groups that show up the most often. our older adults. and it's great to see both them and young people that are getting engaged with causes early on in their lives get together and be in a situation where I don't know, there's just something really special about that combination of seeing people that are still still engaged and looking for something to do and just being productive and finding things that align with their values and putting their time into it. So it's powerful. Lou Fratto: Yeah. And older adults have so much to give back. I mean, think about it. They've lived through all the ups and downs that are common to everyone. And they have the wisdom that you you just can't acquire until you're of retirement age. And and then when you look at the statistics for the younger generations and how they're struggling so much with anxiety and depression and it's they they could really they have a lot to give back. Keith: Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Lou Fratto: Older adults. Somebody's once said and I don't know who it was, but they said the most the two most dangerous years of your life are the year you're born and the year that you retire. And it's like if you retire and you don't have a purpose, it's almost like your body says, Okay, you know, but all the all the you know late nights that you pulled and the yeah, you got you got some debt to pay back. Keith: Yeah. The motivations. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. I feel like just personally I'm pretty blessed that I have a pretty good idea of things that I want to do when I can finally retire. But we'll see. Gotta keep it going. The other thing I really? Lou Fratto: That's good. Right. And see, I'm the opposite. Yeah, I don't I don't want to retire. I want to keep working. but I want to scale back the hours of treating, but I wanna I wanna still have my clinic and I wanna come in and treat part time, but I want to do a lot of more the a lot of the other creative stuff, writing and teaching and stuff like that. But and this, I love doing this, Yeah. Keith: Yeah. Yeah. Right. I was gonna say, know, ironically, the thing that we're doing right now with this podcast to me has been really tied into this idea of purpose. And it's not, I mean, it's work, but it it's work that I'm really, really enjoying. And that seems to be one of the keys to, trying to find things that again align with your values and align with your purpose. And then it makes work not feel like work. Lou Fratto: Yeah. Keith: So it's really been a great, great experience so far. We can keep it going another 15, 20, 30 years. Episode 1000. Maybe we'll finally get the sign off right by then. Lou Fratto: Yeah, I know. Exactly. that'd be funny. That'd be good. Right, right. sort of a other way to look at it too is Victor Frankel and in his book Man's Search for Meaning. As a matter of fact, I start the chapter out with his quote and it says, Life is never made unbearable by circumstances, but only by lack of meaning and purpose. And he was a Auschwitz Holocaust survivor, but he was also a psychiatrist, and so while he was in there, he kind of Keith: Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's a there's actually a quote that I wanted to read from another author that we both enjoy, Ryan Holliday. Lou Fratto: Yeah. Keith: And I I just opened the book here, but it's in his book, The Obstacle is the way, and the end of the chapter. bigger than yourself, just says, I think this is a pretty good summation. Help your fellow humans thrive and survive. Contribute your little bit to the universe before it swallows you up, and be happy with that. Lend a hand to others, be strong for them, and it will make you stronger. So I reread that about two weeks ago and thought that's a really good summations of the the idea of purpose for what we want to talk about. Yeah. Lou Fratto: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Keith: There was the concept of ikige, ik that you I don't know how to pronounce it. Lou Fratto: yeah. Yeah, that's yeah, that's the the the Japanese word for basically having a reason to get up in the morning. And the Okinawans are part of the what they're one of the blue zones, you know, that basically they study because they outlive the rest of the world, besides the other blue zones. And and that's one of the Keith: Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm. Lou Fratto: their themes that they have is just to always have a reason for getting up in the morning, which is basically what we've been talking about, you know. And that's their word for it. I don't know how to pronounce it either. Ikagai or something like that. Keith: Yeah. We should probably look that up. Yeah, you never know. Lou Fratto: Maybe someone can can put it in on the comments or something. well so then there's Abraham Abraham Maslow who was the father of positive psychology, you could call him. And I think a lot of people have studied him in, psychology one one in college and he had the the pyramid, where you as you as you work yeah, there it is, the hierarchy of needs. And he's got some good quotes and his says he says, What one can be, one must be. Keith: Mm-hmm. Yep. Hierarchy of needs. Lou Fratto: His other one is we are either stepping forward into growth or shrinking backward into safety. Keith: Wow. Yeah, short but sweet from old Maslow. Gets right to the point. Lou Fratto: And his highest level on his pyramid, I don't remember this from when I studied the pyramid. I thought it was self-actualization, but I'm told that the highest level what he called it self-transcendence. So it was like, okay, now that you've, achieved self actualization, which you could say the best version of yourself, now it's time to give back. Give, you know, share your gifts with the with the world and give back. So Keith: Yeah, we could all aspire to that kind of purpose. Lou Fratto: Yeah. Keith: You talked about your morning routine or your the, what you do to kind of align yourself every day. And that has an effect on the way that you interact with other people. And if you're in a situation where you feel that sense of purpose and you're trying to do things that align with it, probably Lou Fratto: Yeah, think about it like this. This just hit me while you were talking about it. So let's say you you help somebody. I don't know, they're carrying a bunch of bags and they're they're coming up to the door and you open their door for them and you let them in and you help them unload the bags, something totally unsolicited like that. Who knows, maybe they're a little happier now throughout the day and then they interact with the cashier at the grocery store more in a more happy manner, who then puts that cashier in a good mood. So then the cashier then reacts a little bit happier to each customer that comes through and makes their day and then they interact with the people they interact. It's like a it's exponential or it could be. Something as small as that. Yeah. Keith: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Happiness could be contagious. Well, I think that's a really good it's a really good thought to maybe end on, unless you've got other stuff that you want to talk about. You don't get much better than that. Be happy, be nice to people, be nice to other people, think beyond yourself, try and find what your purpose is and spread it out in the world. Those are pretty good thoughts. All right. Lou Fratto: No, it's No, that's a Right. Sounds good. Keith: Well, before we do close out, we're going to move on to our new section, the recognition section. Want to give our shout outs to Thrive Nation. So we've got some good ones this week. Do you want to start off? I know that you've got a you've got a you've got somebody who really admires your work, and I want you to talk about it. Mm-hmm. Lou Fratto: All right. Yeah, so I guess y you brought it to my attention that Evelyn, one of my who I know very well and my clients, she she left a great review, right? A very complimentary comment, was it? Keith: Yep, on our it was a comment on our substack on the first episode of the podcast that was posted there. Lou Fratto: Awesome. And I hope we can put her picture up when we do this on the YouTube version because she she allowed me to take her picture and I wanted her to flex while she was taking the picture. Now she Keith: Yeah, I'll put it up. Yeah. Lou Fratto: is a really neat lady. she is a retired professional. when she was working, she achieved the level of black belt at Hapkido. she also was a regular Keith: Wow. Lou Fratto: attendants attend she attended gyms regularly and worked out and loved loved working out loved doing martial arts and loved of course her career and then she went through some major major major surgeries and was unable to do any of that stuff and so we have been able to help her her and I working together we've been able to get her back to where she's got muscles now she cannot believe how good she feels she comes in here and it's like her her gym when we were I put her through, the paces and a workout and she leaves with that with that runner's high that you get and she's just feeling fantastic. And I'm glad she gave me permission to to put her picture up because you gotta look at her bicep. She's got she's got guns. Keith: Yeah. I was gonna say it's a gun show. That's awesome. Yeah. When you sent me that picture, I was so excited. I was just like, yes, this person gets it. Like they're doing it. They're doing the thing. And the comment that you left, I'm just going to read a little bit of it, but because you're too you're too modest. But Evelyn said, I've been to many physical therapy clinics over the past 20 years. None of them were half as good as Del Ray care physical therapy. Lou Fratto is the best physical therapist I've ever seen. And that she's mentioned here as well in another comment that you've changed her life. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was she's ready to go. Lou Fratto: She she's nice, very nice. Thank you, Evelyn, for the words. She's she's super nice, sweet lady. You know, and I should say, I have to hold her back all the time. Like she's like, no, no, no, we're doing this and let's let let's add this. Like easy, easy. Keith: Yeah, what a great attitude though. Love to hear that. Well, we're gonna solicit her to be a podcast guest for sure in season two. Lou Fratto: Yeah. shoot, she would be a hoot, let me tell you. She's funny. She would she would make our podcast entertaining. Yeah. Keith: Yeah, love it. That's awesome. Cool. Well, thank you again, Evelyn. So I've got a couple shout-outs from friends of the pod and listeners. so my friend Rebecca Lewis, down in Sarasota, she and her husband Jeff, they actually own the largest adult tennis program in Sarasota. and it's called Total Tennis Lessons. they didn't give me a URL, but you can follow them on Instagram at Lou Fratto: Whoa. Keith: Total tennis, all one word underscore lessons. And I'll put that in the show description. But she put a nice comment on the episode about nutrition. Just said, great conversation. Appreciate how you highlight how you highlight real life challenges and maintaining a healthy diet, while emphasizing that even a few mindful choices can make a meaningful difference. So thanks for listening, Rebecca. Appreciate it. And yeah. Once we get some of our Thrive AF merchandise or maybe those stickers, I'm gonna send a bunch down to you and Jeff so that you guys can give them out to all your all your clients at Total Tennis. Start spreading the word, growing growing Thrive Thrive Nation. So Lou Fratto: Hey, here's an interesting trivia fact, and and she's probably aware of this. Did what's the and this is gonna give it away, but what is the sport that if you partake in it, and I don't know the details like how many years you have to be in it or not, that actually extends your life the most? Keith: Okay. Bowling. Really? My gosh. That's pretty cool. I would never would have guessed. Lou Fratto: Wrong tennis. Yes. Tennis. Seven seven and a half years, I think it is. and I looked at this years ago, so I don't remember the details, but far and exceeds other activities. and tennis is yeah, at and I've now started to see where tennis is starting to promote that, you know, the longevity factor of playing tennis. Yeah. Keith: Really. Yeah. We're gonna have to dig into that sometime. Maybe we can have Jeff and Rebecca on the podcast because I guess my impression of tennis, this is just you know, my parents used to play and and they gave it up early because they were getting tennis elbow. my friend Joe Owen and I have been trying to get back into playing tennis here. We used to play for hours and hours back when we were young. Lou Fratto: Yeah. Keith: Now we play for an hour and we're pretty wiped out. But I just feel like that fast twitch movement and because, you know, of some of the possibility of things like tennis elbow and other things that it would be difficult to maintain. But I mean, sounds like from what you're saying and I would love to hear from them, what it's like for it may be different these days, for various reasons. And it'd be interesting to dig into that. Lou Fratto: Yeah, that would be fun to have them on and and to delve into all that. And plus what I've seen with, you know, all tons of seniors who play it. You can still play it, you know. a lot of them switch to doubles, obviously, but it Keith: Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, I see a lot of that when I go down and visit my folks. They actually have clay courts where they where they live now, which is pretty neat. I've never played on them. But they're pretty busy and they have some pickleball courts too. And from what I've seen, the tennis courts are more popular, but I don't know. Yeah. Lou Fratto: interesting. Yeah. Pickleball's hugely popular. It'd be interesting to see when somebody does a study to see if pickleball extends your life equally to tennis, you know, see how much parallel there is there. Keith: Yeah. I'm sure that that could start just like a like a war between the tennis players and the pickleball players, but I'm sure somebody's doing it. It should be it'd be interesting to see. Cool. All right. I had a couple more shout-outs. So one is to coach at terminus Grant Reynolds. So Coach Grant turned 49 today. And so happy birthday, Coach Grant. I don't know if he's a regular listener, but he is a super good dude. Lou Fratto: Yeah. True. True. Yeah, we'll see. Nice. Keith: Not only a great coach, but just a great guy, really interesting, great guitarist, tours with multiple tribute bands, and is also from what I'm told a really good golfer. so just and a really good member of the terminus community. So we rely on him for a heck of a lot around the gym. So happy birthday, Grant, also future podcast podcast guest. So a couple of my Lou Fratto: Yeah, for sure. Keith: Couple of my 7 a.m. terminus mates, Patrick Blake, Daniel Seath, both are regular listeners of the podcast. I didn't tell him I would shout them out, but Daniel was telling me this morning that he was caught up on the podcast and I think he was kind of fishing a little bit for for me to mention him. So yeah. No, no, really good guys, been very, very consistent, really every day of the week. While they're in town. And Daniel just brought his wife Dana in as well as a member. So I'm looking forward to seeing her surpass him very quickly. All right. So this one, this last one is a special one, and you've got to work with me on this one and put on a late night DJ voice because. This is a special, Lou Fratto: What? Keith: special dedication. All right. So I'm gonna start. So this one goes out to Anna in Montana. Montana Anna. And I've been told that Anna likes to listen to the dulcet tones of Captain Keith and sweet Lou Fratto on her favorite station while she drifts off to sleep. so Lou Fratto: Okay. Keith: So from Keith and Lou, Anna, we just want to say thanks for listening and sleep well and sweet dreams. Lou, what do you got to say? Lou Fratto: Hey, I'm glad we could, if nothing else, put you to sleep. Keith: That sounded a little creepy. We'll work on it. So Yeah, that's a funny one. Hopefully she'll get the joke. It's an in joke that no one else will get, but Anna in Montana will understand. Lou Fratto: Nice. We we really do help her fall asleep. Hey, well whatever works. Keith: That's what I said. I'm like, you know, whatever it takes. Enjoy that nap, Anna. And then you had another one, actually a family connection that you wanted to promote, I think. Lou Fratto: Yes, I've got a couple. So one is my my cousin. She has the same last name. Her name is Jill Fratto. And with her friend Julie Mancini, they wrote a book called Your Ideal Retirement: A Five Step Path to Making Confident Decisions and Creating a Meaningful Life After Full Time Work. And so I thought, wow, how appropriate. Keith: All right. Mm-hmm. Very cool. Lou Fratto: and it's actually a workbook that's really super well written and professional. And it basically takes you through all kinds of steps of of kind of how to plan your retirement, how to you know, decide what you want to do in your retirement, how to deal with maybe some, you know, fears that you might have, et cetera, et cetera. So that these ladies did a super professional book and they put a lot of time into this. There's even a section. Keith: Awesome. Lou Fratto: here where it talks about the different sort of lifestyles that you can have. common retirement lifestyles. So some of the titles are and they describe it the cozy homebody, the adventurer, explorer, the social butterfly, the lifelong learner, et cetera, et cetera. And they talk about how these are different maybe roles that you can make fit for you when you retire. Keith: Wow. That's really cool. And it really aligns with what we've been talking about today. So that's like you said, wow, what kind of synergy, man. Love that synergy. And I'll put a link to the book and put a picture of it up too for the YouTube audience. But we'll definitely have a link to it in our in our show notes. So you got one more shout out or you just want to close it out? Lou Fratto: Yeah, the so the other one was for my friend Doug Sarmosakis. he was one of my health heroes in the book. And one one thing that he's always said his purpose is to ha enjoy and go through a bunch of adventures with his family. And he has three boys, and he goes all kinds of adventures, you know, surfing in other countries and things like that. And one of his recent outings, he actually got attacked and had to fight off a shark. So I am going to leave it at that because I want to have him on as a guest and have him explain the whole story. But he does see he he he came away unscathed because he was able to fight the shark off. And if you know him, Keith: Okay. Does he still have all his limbs? So he triumphed. Lou Fratto: Yeah, if you know him, you you wouldn't be surprised. And Keith: Hell yeah. Lou Fratto: anyway, he, you know, let suffice it to say, he's living out his goal. You know, he's having adventures with his kids. Yep. Keith: Hell yeah. Fighting sharks. Yeah, we gotta have Doug on, man. That's awesome. I'm glad he's safe. Lou Fratto: Yeah. So shout out to Doug. Glad he he he helped me with the book, put a lot of time into giving his story there. So glad glad he won the battle against the shark. Keith: Excellent. I can't wait to hear it. Perfect. All right. Before we close out, just a quick plug. Please like, subscribe, comment, send us emails. You can reach me at Keith at thrive-af.com or you can comment on any of our podcasts, on our YouTube site, on our substack. We'll get it. we love to hear from you. And specifically For next episode, we're going to start talking about technology. And would love to have, I know we have a very intelligent, smart, genius level audience in Thrive Nation. And I am sure that there are people listening to this right now or watching this right now that are doing things with technology that are related to health and fitness and longevity. And we would love to hear from you if you are doing something that you think is interesting. Lou Fratto: Right. Keith: Because I've got some things that I've been doing that I'm looking forward to sharing and we'd love to hear from our audience on it too. So if you got something that you'd like to share or talk about, reach out. Maybe we can get it into the next episode. So yeah, that's gonna be a fun one. Gonna be very fun. All right. Let's move on to the hardest part of the show, which is the sign off. Are you ready? Lou Fratto: Yeah, can't wait for that next topic. That's gonna be interesting. Yeah. I'm ready. I got this one down. Keith: All right, we got it. Until next time. Keep growing. And keep thriving AF. God, we almost had it. We were close. Well, I mean, we were about, you know, half a second off, but maybe I could sync it up in post-production. Lou Fratto: Keep challenging yourself. And keep having AF. Yes. No, I thought that was successful. Yeah. Work your magic. Keith: Cool. I'll tell I'll put the AI on it. We'll get it done. Lou Fratto: All right. Awesome. All right. Keith: All right, buddy. Appreciate it. As always, we will speak again soon. Thanks, Thrive Nation. Y'all have a good one. Peace. Lou Fratto: Yes, thank you guys. All right. Bye.