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The Killer Couple: Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo · Dead Serious

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  SPEAKER_00: Hey guys, and welcome back to Dead Serious.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: I hope everyone has been having a great week.
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  SPEAKER_00: Independence Day just passed, so happy 4th and happy 250 years, America.
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  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so the case that I'm going to talk about today, I originally heard of when I watched the HBO series Autopsy with Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Michael Bodden, and this was in 2002.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't know who that is, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bodden is a world-renowned forensic pathologist who has testified in many high-profile cases, such as O.J.
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  SPEAKER_00: Simpson, Phil Spector, and Jeffrey Epstein.
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  SPEAKER_00: The case always sat with me because it was just so disturbing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I can never ever forget this case.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was raised in St.
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  SPEAKER_00: Catharines with her two younger sisters, Lori and Tammy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Outwardly, Carla seemed happy, had lots of friends, and loved animals.
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  SPEAKER_00: She even had a job volunteering in a veterinary office.
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  SPEAKER_00: Behind the scenes, though, things were not so happy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla's father was an alcoholic, and he would beat her and her sisters.
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  SPEAKER_00: More disturbing was something that was admitted later on that apparently she had thrown a friend's hamster out of the window and later dug it up because she wanted to know what something dead looked like.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, already not off to a good start here in life, Carla.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course, Carla's story can't be told without Paul Bernardo's story, of course.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Paul Kenneth Bernardo was born August 27th, 1964, in Scarborough, Ontario.
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  SPEAKER_00: The youngest of Kenneth, Walter Bernardo, and Marilyn Elizabeth Bernardo's children.
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  SPEAKER_00: His home life didn't really seem to be much better than Carla's.
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  SPEAKER_00: His father would sexually abuse Paul's older sister Deborah in front of family members.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sick bastard.
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  SPEAKER_00: His mother suffered from depression, often withdrawing from the family and retreating to the basement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Despite this dysfunction, Paul presented as happy and well-adjusted.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was even a member of Scouts Canada, which is basically Canna's version of Boy Scouts.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gradually, though, things changed, and Paul developed pyromaniac inclinations and dark sexual fantasies.
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  SPEAKER_00: During an argument with his parents in 1981, Paul's mother Marilyn revealed that Kenneth was not Paul's biological father and that he was a result of an extramarital affair.
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  SPEAKER_00: Paul was repulsed by this, and he would call his mother names like Hoar and Slut, and then his mother would in return call him insults, saying, You're a bastard from hell.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sounds like a really great relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good start for Paul as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bernardo went off to college at Sir Willifrid Laurie Collegiate Institute and then the University of Toronto at Scarborough.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was pretty successful with the ladies, but he enjoyed humiliating his girlfriends in public.
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  SPEAKER_00: He also would engage in aggressive sex with them.
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  SPEAKER_00: These relationships would get more unstable and more violent, and he'd threatened that he'd kill them if they had told anyone about what he did.
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  SPEAKER_00: He later told authorities he had this fantasy of having a virgin camp where he would breed virgin girls that he could rape.
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  SPEAKER_00: Paul's background obviously goes a bit deeper than Carla, and he is one seriously fucked up guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, a virgin camp where you breed like what world are you living in?
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla met Paul Bernardo when she was 17, and Paul was a 23-year-old college graduate trained in accounting, and he was working as an assistant at our veterinary office.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, Paul seemed to like the ladies a little bit younger, and Carla was swept off her feet and just was obsessed with Paul, like talked about him all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: From the beginning of their relationship, though, Carla noticed Paul took a particular liking to her youngest sister, Tammy.
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  SPEAKER_00: He'd pay special attention to her and would even have Carla pretend to be Tammy during sex.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is friggin' sick.
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  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so it's the late 80s, just a bit before Carla and Paul got together, and there was a rapist terrorizing Scarborough, Toronto.
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  SPEAKER_00: There were around 24 rapes or attempted rapes that took place over a five-year span.
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  SPEAKER_00: The targets of these crimes, which was coined the Scarborough rapist, were teenage girls and young women.
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  SPEAKER_00: The attacks mostly happened outside, with one incident having been a break-in into a home.
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  SPEAKER_00: The attacks came with beatings, verbal abuse, and threats to keep the victims from going to the police.
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  SPEAKER_00: In November of 1988, a task force was formed and committed to catching this perpetrator.
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  SPEAKER_00: No significant leads came till May of 1990 after a victim came forward and provided a description of her attacker.
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  SPEAKER_00: A computer composition was created and had widespread circulation, even getting put in the newspaper.
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  SPEAKER_00: The police department received 16,000 tips, three of which said the drawing looked like no other than Paul Bernardo.
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  SPEAKER_00: Paul was questioned twice while he was living with his parents, but the police ended up believing he wasn't involved.
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  SPEAKER_00: As standard practice, they did take samples of his blood, saliva, and hair for DNA testing to compare to a sample found on one of the victim's clothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thankfully, they at least did that.
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  SPEAKER_00: DNA testing was in its infancy at the time, though, and there was only one qualified scientist and one qualified technician.
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  SPEAKER_00: They had questioned dozens and dozens of men in the rapist case, and those samples were among 50,000 that had been collected at the time through investigations of numerous other cases in Ontario.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's go to the evening of December 4th, 1990.
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  SPEAKER_00: Paul and Carla were being celebrated at her family's home as they had just recently gotten engaged.
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  SPEAKER_00: Paul was now 26 and Carla was 20.
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  SPEAKER_00: Paul had bought a new video camera, and there is a recording that was shown during that autopsy episode, and probably also just out there now on the internet.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it shows Paul, Carla, Carla's parents, and Carla's youngest sister, Tammy, 15, drinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess they let her drink, goofing around, making faces at the camera, and just, you know, overall having a good time.
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  SPEAKER_00: They just look like a normal family celebrating the engagement along with the holiday season.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla's parents went to bed early and they let Tammy stay up and continue drinking with Carla and Paul.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, what could go wrong here?
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  SPEAKER_00: Around 2 a.m., Carla called a friend and told her that Tammy had died.
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  SPEAKER_00: She said they were drinking and she heard Tammy making a choking kind of noise.
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  SPEAKER_00: I saw vomit coming from her mouth.
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  SPEAKER_00: I sat her up and pulled her tongue out so she wouldn't swallow it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I pumped twice on her chest, but there was no response.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tammy was brought to Hamilton General Hospital where she was pronounced dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was this huge red burn type mark on the side of Tammy's face and some smaller spots around her mouth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, this picture is also available on the internet.
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  SPEAKER_00: The autopsy was performed and it was ruled that Tammy's death was an accident due to asphyxiation.
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  SPEAKER_00: She basically had choked on her own vomit.
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  SPEAKER_00: The medical examiner believed the red mark on her face was from stomach acid.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was no investigation into Tammy's death.
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  SPEAKER_00: A few days later at the funeral, friends noticed disturbing behavior from Paul saying he kept calling her his angel, that he would twirl her hair and like just wouldn't leave her alone.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is also video of the funeral.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't see um Tammy or Paul or anything, just kind of video of people like going up and coming back around or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's that is also out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Basically, everything is out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Two months later, Paul and Carla moved into their own place on February 1st, 1990, in Port de Lucie, Ontario.
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  SPEAKER_00: That summer on June 29th, they married in Niagara on the lake.
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  SPEAKER_00: Their wedding was beautiful, with Carla dressed in a stunning white gown and Paul in his white ties and tails.
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  SPEAKER_00: As they're saying their IDUs, a nearby fisherman on Lake Gibson, south of St.
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  SPEAKER_00: Catharines, discovered several concrete blocks that had human arms, legs, feet, and a head inside.
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  SPEAKER_00: The following day, a man found a human torso floating in the water.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remains were identified as Leslie Mahathee, 14 of Burlington, Ontario.
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  SPEAKER_00: Her parents had reported her missing on June 15th.
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  SPEAKER_00: As the investigation starts, Carla and Paul are on their honeymoon in Hawaii.
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  SPEAKER_00: Police were searching for clues but were unaware of evidence that would connect Leslie's murder to that of the Scarborough rapist.
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  SPEAKER_00: In April 1992, Niagara Regional Police sought the help of the FBI here in the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Profilers painted a picture of this murderer as a sexual predator who would definitely kill again.
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  SPEAKER_00: On April 30th, 1992, another female body was found in a ditch on the side of a rural road in Burlington.
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  SPEAKER_00: The girl's face was battered and her hair had been shaved off her head.
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  SPEAKER_00: The tip of her left pinky finger was missing, which ultimately helped identify her as Kristen French, 15 of St.
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  SPEAKER_00: Catharines.
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  SPEAKER_00: The injury to her finger was actually an old injury.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's how she was easily identified.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kristen was reported missing on April 16th.
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  SPEAKER_00: Her shoe was found in the parking lot of Grace Lutheran Church, which she passed every day on her way to school.
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  SPEAKER_00: A witness came forward and said that on the 16th, they saw two people who were trying to force a young female into a car.
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  SPEAKER_00: The vehicle was described as a cream-colored Chevy Camaro.
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  SPEAKER_00: Police searched the area and found a lock of brown hair and a torn Scarborough map.
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  SPEAKER_00: The lead on the Camaro, excuse me, the lead on the Camaro went nowhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: A tip came in putting Paul Bernardo back on the radar of the police.
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  SPEAKER_00: They interviewed him again and again dismissed him as a suspect.
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  SPEAKER_00: Leslie Mahatfee's body ended up being exhumed, and the ME discovered bruises on her back that were similar to the blunt force injuries found on Kristen French.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the first time these two cases were linked.
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  SPEAKER_00: A task force was created, and on July 21st, police released a reenactment video of Kristen's abduction, which generated thousands of tips, but they led to nowhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: On July 1993, Carla was admitted to St.
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  SPEAKER_00: Catharines General Hospital, claiming Paul had beaten her with a flashlight.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, there are pictures of this online and her face is seriously messed up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Paul was arrested for assault with a weapon and was released on bail.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla never went back to their home.
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  SPEAKER_00: A month later, Paul Bernardo's DNA was matched with a Scarborough rapist.
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  SPEAKER_00: Police put him under surveillance and tapped his phone.
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  SPEAKER_00: The police, of course, they wanted to talk to Carla, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's his wife.
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  SPEAKER_00: What does she know?
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  SPEAKER_00: At first, she did not want to cooperate, but then she consulted with a lawyer and decided she'd help and testify against Paul if she was granted immunity.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which to me, why are you asking for immunity if you didn't do anything?
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  SPEAKER_00: The attorney general ended up denying immunity but was willing to agree to a reduced sentence.
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  SPEAKER_00: They questioned Carla for four days.
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  SPEAKER_00: She said Paul kidnapped Leslie from her front yard and that she and Paul had lured Kristen into their car under the guise of being tourists and kneeing directions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla explained that both of the girls were used as sex slaves before Paul strangled them to death.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kristen was made to watch a television broadcast showing her father's emotional plea for her to be returned home safely.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is so sad.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla said Paul bragged about having raped 30 women.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla acted as if she was a battered wife and was forced to participate in Paul's crimes and said she was afraid of him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bullshit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Finally, on February 17th, Paul Bernardo was arrested for Leslie Mahaffey and Kristen French's murders, along with the Scarborough rapes.
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  SPEAKER_00: When police searched the house, they found a list written down of the Scarborough rapes, books that were described as being deviant in nature, a hunting knife, handcuffs, and a video of Carla and Paul engaged in sexual activity with two unknown females.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla was into it, a willing participant, enjoying herself.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was not a battered wife.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then on May 9, uh then on May 9th, 1993, Paul told his attorney, Ken Murray, there was evidence in the house and had him go to the couple's home and retrieve six eight millimeter tapes that had been hidden in a ceiling light fixture.
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  SPEAKER_00: The police had not found this during their 71-day search.
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  SPEAKER_00: Murray spoke with senior lawyer John Rosen and asked what he should do with these tapes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ken Murray held on to those tapes for 17 months before turning them over to authorities.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll come back to Ken Murray in a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, what was on those tapes was horrific and the most damning and explosive evidence.
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  SPEAKER_00: The video showed in graphic detail the truth of what happened to Carla's sister Tammy, as well as Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffey.
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  SPEAKER_00: So here's the real story of what happened to Tammy on that Christmas night.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla said that on December 24th, she agreed to give Tammy to Paul as his Christmas present.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sick bitch.
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  SPEAKER_00: She had stolen halathane as well as sleeping pills from the vet's office where she worked.
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  SPEAKER_00: After her parents went to bed, she put the sleeping pills in Tammy's drink.
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  SPEAKER_00: And once she fell asleep, her and Paul took turns raping her while holding a halathane-soaked cloth to her face.
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  SPEAKER_00: They filmed the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: That red mark on Tammy's face that I talked about earlier, that was not from vomit.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was from the halathane burning her face.
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  SPEAKER_00: Other videos also confirmed Carla had participated in both Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffey's torture and rapes.
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  SPEAKER_00: What a freaking insane, insane scenario.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like just disgusting and just blows my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: On a separate video named Fireside Chat, found at the Homoka residence, was of Carla and Paul talking in the basement of Carla's home, where Carla tells Paul she enjoyed him raping Tammy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, sick bitch.
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  SPEAKER_00: Next, they are in Tammy's bedroom, where she says she'll leave a rose at her sister's grave.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then they had sex on Tammy's bed.
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  SPEAKER_00: On February 26, 1993, the defense and the crown started negotiating a 10-year sentence for Carla's testimony against Paul and the full disclosure of all of the crimes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you heard me say 10-year sentence.
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  SPEAKER_00: On July 6th, 1993, Carla Homolka was convicted after pleading guilty to manslaughter in Leslie and Kristen's murders.
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  SPEAKER_00: She ended up getting 12 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Two of them were added on for Tammy's murder.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they were to run concurrent.
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  SPEAKER_00: So all in one, authorities were not aware of the tapes at the time they originally offered her the plea bargain, and the Crown said they were obliged to their agreement.
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  SPEAKER_00: I say, no, the fuck you were not.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, seriously, 12 years for ever for everything that she did?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's just sick.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, during this time in July, Canada had imposed a strict publication ban on the Carla Homoca case to prevent intense pretrial publicity from prejudicing the jury pool for her accomplice and husband, Paul Bernardo.
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  SPEAKER_00: The ban barred the public, barred foreign journalists, and limited domestic press reporting.
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  SPEAKER_00: It became a major international controversy when details surfaced.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you hear about this video and then you're hearing Carla's getting 12 years for it, and we're not allowed to talk about it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Bullshit.
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  SPEAKER_00: On May 18, 1995, Paul Bernardo's trial began and lasted for four months.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla was in the witness box for 17 days.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the end, Paul Bernardo was convicted for all of his crimes, two counts each of first-degree murder, kidnapping, forcible confinement, and aggravated sexual assault, and one count of indignity to a body.
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  SPEAKER_00: After six hours of deliberation on September 1st, 1995, Paul was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, and he was also declared a dangerous offender.
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  SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, that should also have been Carla's sentence, oh well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, back to Ken Murray for a moment, who was Paul's uh attorney.
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  SPEAKER_00: He ended up being charged with obstruction of justice in 1997.
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  SPEAKER_00: He went on trial in 2000 and was actually acquitted.
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  SPEAKER_00: The case caused a lot of controversy over how lawyers should handle ethical dilemmas about evidence.
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  SPEAKER_00: There were no clear-cut laws about this at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, after this, it did prompt major reform in legal ethics and professional regulations in Canada.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are now explicit rules stating a lawyer must not counsel or participate in concealment, destruction, or alternating incriminators.
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  SPEAKER_00: Other guidelines advise against taking possession of any evidence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Five years later in 2000, Paul tried to appeal his convictions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both the Ontario Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court of Canada denied those appeals, as they should have.
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  SPEAKER_00: In 2006, Bernardo's defense claimed Paul had admitted to 10 additional sexual assaults.
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  SPEAKER_00: Since 2013, Bernardo has been incarcerated at the Millhaven Maximum Security Prison in Bath, Ontario.
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  SPEAKER_00: I probably pronounced that wrong, sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: So while in prison, Carla and her sister Lori kept in close touch.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lori encouraged Carla to alter her appearance after she was released so she could come back and live with the family.
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  SPEAKER_00: She wrote, People are so stupid, Carr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even if they bumped into you, they'd never know it was you, especially since you're supposed to be spending all your time in jail.
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  SPEAKER_00: They would never know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just like if you came back to St.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kath.
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  SPEAKER_00: That would be the last place people would expect you to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: Especially when I tell everyone you'll never ever come back here.
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  SPEAKER_00: See, that's my plan.
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  SPEAKER_00: People wouldn't know it if it was you, even if they had a conversation with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: People are really dumb.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's so easy to con people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Seems like there's more than one messed up individual in this family.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, your sister sexually assaulted and murdered your other sister, and then you're just like, hey, come back.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, that makes lots of sense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla was released in 2005 after serving her full 12-year sentence, big whoop-de-doo.
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  SPEAKER_00: Initially, she had many restrictions placed on her, like where she could live.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, she was not able to have contact with anyone under the age of 16.
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  SPEAKER_00: However, those conditions would be overturned by a different judge just months after her release.
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  SPEAKER_00: This decision obviously received a lot of criticism.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carla moved to Montreal and gave birth to a son in 2007.
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  SPEAKER_00: She then moved to the Caribbean island of Guadalupe under the name Leanne Bordelay with her husband, Terry Bordelay, who guess what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Could you imagine marrying someone who raped their own sister?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is wrong with you?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Carla had two more children and then moved back to Quebec in 2012 after a Canadian journalist spotted her on the island.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: She should not have been allowed to have any more children.
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  SPEAKER_00: In 2017, she made headlines again when it was discovered she was a volunteer for her children's elementary school in Montreal.
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  SPEAKER_00: The public was not happy about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it led the school and church, I'm guessing it was a like a religious school, to have stricter guidelines for who can volunteer, which would exclude those with a criminal background.
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  SPEAKER_00: Though the school claimed these activities that she was volunteering in did not need a background check, which is crazy to me because I have had kids in school, and prior to 2017, I always had to have a background check for volunteering.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what that's about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, while I was researching this case, I came upon this fun fact.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have you guys watched the documentary, Don't Fuck with Cats?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's on Netflix.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so the perpetrator in that case uh is Luca Rocco Magnata.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, during his trial in 2014, Magnata had sent a package carrying body parts to False Creek Elementary, and the return address was Lori Homolka, now Logan Valentini.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, she denied sending the packages or knowing Magnata at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Apparently, Magnata had a whole thing going on and acting like he he knew her and they were lovers or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's you can go dive down a rabbit hole with that one.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um the documentary that I that like the most recent one that I did watch that I would say check it out would be Ken and Barbie Murders the Lost Murder Tapes.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's on HBO Max, Hulu, and Disney.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a four-point, uh, a four-part docuseries that was released in uh 2021.
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  SPEAKER_00: So give that a check and see what you think.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um thanks for listening to the show today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Please uh, you know, post post some thoughts on what do you think should have happened with Carla.
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  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I need to I need to start that one over.
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