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Should You Push Through Burnout for Your Financial Goals? And How To Quit Without Burning Bridges · She's On The Money

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Speaker 1: My name is Tatasha Bamblet. I'm a proud First Nations
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Speaker 1: woman and I'm here to acknowledge country t Glenn Young
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Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast
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Speaker 2: Especially on a Friday.
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Speaker 4: It is our favorite day of the week because we
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Speaker 4: get our incredible team together to celebrate our incredible community.
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Speaker 4: And this week, Miss jessic Riad she is going to
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Speaker 4: be sharing our favorite money wins. Miss beck say ed
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Speaker 4: She's going to be sharing her broke tips. We're going
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Speaker 4: to be helping to answer a money dilemma, but you
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Speaker 4: didn't expect that. This week it's all about how to
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Speaker 4: handle being burnt out at work and needing a break
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Speaker 4: when you've got some financial goals and big responsibilities. Something
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Speaker 4: that you slid into my DMS about how do you
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Speaker 4: tell your job that you're quitting but still get a
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Speaker 4: good reference out of it? Oh tea, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: I think you just should be.
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Speaker 4: Before we get there, though, I want to share our
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Speaker 4: five star review to just set the tone sound lovely?
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Speaker 2: Are you ready? This one's from Jen.
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Speaker 4: Jen says I always thought I was great with money
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Speaker 4: until I listened to this podcast.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorr free.
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Speaker 4: It turns out I was really good at not spending money,
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Speaker 4: leaving my savings to wither or away in a low
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Speaker 4: interest savings account being outpaced by inflation. Since listening and learning,
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Speaker 4: I now have twelve thousand dollars in shares and over
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Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars in a high interest savings account for
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Speaker 2: Of the misogynistic bs.
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Speaker 3: Oh my, so lovely.
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Speaker 4: Thanks really say, which is like, yep, I've got twelve
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Speaker 4: grand in shares. I'm like a slay queen. Sorry, property
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Speaker 4: portfolio worth almost.
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Speaker 2: A million dollars. I know, that's so cool. Oh my god,
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Speaker 2: flex queen, and that's what I mean. Five star reviews
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Speaker 2: set the tone just so much more excited.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, yes, sorry, look at what we've done where
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Speaker 4: we ammed were ready. So with that, let's roll straight
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Speaker 4: into the Question of the Week, which is our favorite
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Speaker 4: part of Friday drinks, where you guys get to ask
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Speaker 4: us one question you are dying to know. It can
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Speaker 4: be literally about anything, and from the last few weeks,
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Speaker 4: you guys are really taking that live.
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Speaker 2: Really, it's fun, it's fun, it's different.
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Speaker 4: And I've picked this one because I think it's perfect
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Speaker 4: for the first week of summer, which is right now,
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Speaker 4: And it's from our friend Jamie, who wants to know, guys,
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Speaker 4: what's your favorite way to spend an hour?
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Speaker 2: Oh beautiful, that's hard.
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Speaker 5: That is a hard one.
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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be reading for me.
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Speaker 2: Reading. You are so curteous, it's really cute. She's the
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Speaker 2: most wholesome person I know nothing more.
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Speaker 6: I'm such a homebody, like I love being curled up
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Speaker 6: in bed with my kindle doing reading whatever the romanticity
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Speaker 6: flavor of.
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Speaker 2: The week is.
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Speaker 6: Otherwise, I think it like I love exploring, like when
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Speaker 6: you're traveling, like walking around and looking at something. I
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Speaker 6: don't really know how to verbalize that. I know what
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Speaker 6: you mean, you when you're just wondering and you're singing
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Speaker 6: and you're learning and all that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my simple answer.
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Speaker 4: Have you well?
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Speaker 5: I think like it really depends on the weather and
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Speaker 5: also am I doing? Am I like spending an hour
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Speaker 5: by myself? I'm going to see it by myself just
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Speaker 5: to be That was my assumption to you.
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Speaker 4: Yes, Oh, it has to be by yourself, by yourself.
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Speaker 4: Oh well, that kicks out mine. I'm gonna have to
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Speaker 4: think of newy onp anytime.
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Speaker 3: With my husband and maybe.
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Speaker 2: I like doing cassing to.
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Speaker 5: Do kisses honestly, like and something I love to do,
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Speaker 5: something I do all the time is just like on
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Speaker 5: a really sunny day, I'm going to assume it's a
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Speaker 5: sunny day.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we like we're finding the perfect hour.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I'm putting a giant fluffy blanket out on the floor,
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Speaker 5: I'm laying on top of it. I'm putting a podcast
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Speaker 5: on outside or inside outside, I'm meditating, I'm tanning, I'm.
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Speaker 2: Doing not we're not yeah, true, that's true.
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Speaker 5: Okay, so what is I'm not tanning, but I am
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Speaker 5: laying in the sun.
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Speaker 2: So you're wearing safety sps.
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Speaker 7: I've wear swifty SPF only nothing else and listening to
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Speaker 7: a podcast meditating And also like I'm also doing the
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Speaker 7: same thing where I'm kind of like exploring in the grass.
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Speaker 5: I like to eat grass. I know it's really weird,
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Speaker 5: but I really like the texture of grass. So I'm
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Speaker 5: I'm using, I'm looking through the grass. I'm just like picking.
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Speaker 5: I'm just like being one with the world, one with
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Speaker 5: the earth, you know, for for an hour.
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Speaker 3: I don't realize we could add so many things on.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, because I feel like, what are you doing while
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Speaker 2: you're reading.
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Speaker 3: At the beach, but like enjoying the warmth, listening to
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Speaker 3: the water. There's no one else there.
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Speaker 2: Me, no one else there, no one else. Have you
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Speaker 2: got to conquer a drink?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely?
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Speaker 6: I've got a big water and a slurpy and like
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Speaker 6: a punet of strawberries migration.
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Speaker 2: Actually right, So what are you snacking on?
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Speaker 5: I've got a bag of ball to fixed and water.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah that's gone.
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Speaker 4: Now would you guys like to add any additional layers
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Speaker 4: to these hours that you're having?
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Speaker 3: I trust a little come to you.
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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, you guys are actually like you put a
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Speaker 4: lot of layers. Yeah, a lot of layers, but you're
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Speaker 4: very budget friendly. Sorry you said dream hour. I am
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Speaker 4: marching my way down to Aurora, spar In Sorrento, and
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Speaker 4: I am having like I've only got an hour, but
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Speaker 4: I'm using that whole hour for one.
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Speaker 2: Of their full body massages.
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Speaker 3: Oh so it's massaging me on the beach.
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Speaker 2: Yeah okay, yeah, actually.
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Speaker 5: I have a missus as well.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah yeah yeah. Good layers, good layers.
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Speaker 3: But are you doing like a multi treatment? They're doing
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Speaker 3: like your whole body.
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Speaker 4: I've only gotten an hour, and like, I am the
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Speaker 4: type of person that like, in my head, the massage
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Speaker 4: always goes too quick. So like in a perfect world,
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Speaker 4: stretching this out, I get the ninety minute, So I've
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Speaker 4: got ninety minutes. If you've given me an afternoon, perhaps
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Speaker 4: I'm also then going into their bath house after. I
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Speaker 4: don't want to do the bath house first. I want
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Speaker 4: to do the massage first, then the bath house because
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Speaker 4: the massage gets me like all relaxed and zen, and
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Speaker 4: then I can sit in the bath and sit in
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Speaker 4: all of the likes bars and just be like that
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Speaker 4: was the best massage.
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Speaker 5: I feel so sad.
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Speaker 4: I'm having a little herbal tea after I come out.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, you guys didn't say that there was
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Speaker 4: a budget.
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Speaker 2: That's true.
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Speaker 4: I say, how are you spending an hour if you
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Speaker 4: have no money to spend I'm assuming someone else is
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Speaker 4: spending in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
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Speaker 3: Want to be to the south of France all of
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Speaker 3: the aforementioned things.
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Speaker 2: I feel like, that's a fun question.
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Speaker 3: That's a great question.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you guys.
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Speaker 4: Really took that and ran with that. Did you notice
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Speaker 4: none of us were investing? Is true everyday reality. Well, exactly,
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Speaker 4: I'm on the grind exactly.
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Speaker 5: We want to have a break from investing.
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Speaker 4: Miss Jessica money wins and confessions from the community. I
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Speaker 4: think we should segue over there. Just otherwise, we are
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Speaker 4: gonna start building entire realities in this hour that we
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Speaker 4: didn't even actually get.
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Speaker 2: We really will.
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Speaker 3: Well this week, I've got eight money in.
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Speaker 6: Firstly from Katie, who said she had a really fun
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Speaker 6: outing to her local crop swap group gathering. Katie said
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Speaker 6: she picked up a whole bunch of free plants and
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Speaker 6: kit for the balcony vegetable garden that she's working on.
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Speaker 2: Cue it's a fantastic community.
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Speaker 6: She's learning a lot and getting a lot of really
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Speaker 6: great tangible resources. And then somebody else, Simone replied and said,
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Speaker 6: love these. We have a monthly food swap in our
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Speaker 6: neighborhood to folk bring garden produce or baked treats and
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Speaker 6: everyone shares and chats.
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Speaker 8: Cool.
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Speaker 5: That's really cute.
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Speaker 3: Literally, I would have sign up from these. That sounds delightful.
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Speaker 2: Contract we sure can't have a village to be a village.
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Speaker 3: It's true.
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Speaker 6: I heard we'll workshop this and next I've got a
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Speaker 6: money in from Money who said she made banana bread
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Speaker 6: with bananas that would have been chucked out. Delightful, perfect,
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Speaker 6: good way to make sure reduce, reuse, recycle absolutely. Next,
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Speaker 6: I've got another food one with money loss from Madison,
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Speaker 6: who spent said she spent fifteen dollars on making your
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Speaker 6: soup and then bought more stuff to try and fix
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Speaker 6: it when it wasn't good. It was absolutely terrible. So
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Speaker 6: she said she made fifteen dollars soup for the chicken
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Speaker 6: to tw eat. And I like to think of my mind,
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Speaker 6: is the chickens being like.
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Speaker 2: We're it in good tonight. Yeah, that's so cute, clarious.
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Speaker 6: And then lastly this week, I've got a money in
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Speaker 6: from Rihanna, who said money in. I got a promotion
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Speaker 6: at my work and a twenty thousand dollars pay increase.
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Speaker 6: I've applied for this role twice previously and was unsuccessful,
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Speaker 6: but finally I've made it, sorry.
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Speaker 2: Paid off exactly.
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Speaker 3: Congratulations, It's so exciting.
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Speaker 4: Your first note is your first no, not the ultimate outcome,
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Speaker 4: exactly right, exactly. Your first no is your next yes
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Speaker 4: unless it comes to consent, and which case no is no.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 5: Well, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: But if it's your boss saying no to a pay rise,
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Speaker 2: that means not right now, no, right now?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, So do you guys want to hear some
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Speaker 5: brick tips?
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Speaker 9: No?
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Speaker 3: Not really, absolutely fa.
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Speaker 2: I am very ready. Did you liberate them from Jess
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Speaker 2: this week?
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Speaker 5: I may have like liberated a few that I turned
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Speaker 5: into my own ideas.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm ready to hear them.
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Speaker 5: So this first one comes from Devesh, who says it's
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Speaker 5: a perfect reminder that basically we're entering summer at festival season,
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Speaker 5: and if you want to go to your Meredith's, your
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Speaker 5: Golden planes, your straw very coded. Absolutely, Devesh, you know
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Speaker 5: me so well what you can do. And I think
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Speaker 5: that we've mentioned something similar before, but I just wanted
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Speaker 5: to like bring it up because I just got an
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Speaker 5: email about it. You can register to be a volunteer.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you'll get approved or not. But
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Speaker 5: not just volunteering, there are food trucks that go there
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Speaker 5: are other little bits and pieces you can I got
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Speaker 5: a job literally just for the weekend in a Burger
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Speaker 5: truck so I can get to I can't remember what
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Speaker 5: festival it was a few years ago, but then you
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Speaker 5: then you're just in there for free exactly, and you
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Speaker 5: probably do go to bring some stuff. Maybe see if
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Speaker 5: some friends are going, you can like camp with them.
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Speaker 5: But otherwise you get a free ticket, and that ticket
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Speaker 5: is not cheap. So registered to volunteer or and if
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Speaker 5: you can't, he to get accepted. See who's actually going
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Speaker 5: to be there, like burger trucks and things like that,
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Speaker 5: and try and like apply for like a casual that's
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Speaker 5: really some job very and then you also make some money.
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Speaker 3: We love that.
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Speaker 5: We love making money.
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Speaker 2: And so that is from de Besh.
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Speaker 5: I thank you so much to Besh. And the sex
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Speaker 5: one comes from Robin, who has a genius tip to
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Speaker 5: curve spending. She says that when she feels like spending,
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Speaker 5: she heads to the secondhand shop, looks around and says,
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Speaker 5: this all used to be money.
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Speaker 4: Oh I saw someone say this on TikTok and it
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Speaker 4: really sent me for six I've been doing that with
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Speaker 4: my wardrobe recently.
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Speaker 2: I didn't fully get it.
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Speaker 4: So so you just look at everything in your wardrobe
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Speaker 4: and go this at one point was cash in my bank.
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Speaker 2: I've chosen this instead.
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Speaker 3: Did you go on TikTok?
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Speaker 6: I think did a beauty cabinet or something, or maybe
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Speaker 6: it's closed and she just had a pile of stuff
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Speaker 6: that presumably she'd cleaned out.
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Speaker 3: She wasn't using it or whatever. She's just like this
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Speaker 3: was money, and it's like you just look at me,
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Speaker 3: and I'm.
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Speaker 5: A you know, yeah, true, it's crazy. That's such a
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Speaker 5: good way to do that.
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Speaker 6: Like we don't need ten different hoistras or five different
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Speaker 6: yeah white T shirts or.
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Speaker 3: Whatever it is.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so true, gorgeous Robin, thank you. And my
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Speaker 5: one is it's not really a brogue tip. It's more
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Speaker 5: of just like a tip in general, I would say,
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Speaker 5: because right now, like I know, I've meant this already,
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Speaker 5: but Jess's birthday, she really likes expensive beings, and in
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Speaker 5: particular who I've mentioned already, Kyla Lailoor, the fashion designer.
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Speaker 5: What I've done is just like Google image searched every
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Speaker 5: single piece that I can find, and try and find
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Speaker 5: those pieces on like deep hop or Facebook, marketplace or
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Speaker 5: even just like things that look similar. And I'm not
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Speaker 5: trying to like do like a doup kind of situation,
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Speaker 5: but honestly, if you can find a similar item of
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Speaker 5: clothing and it's kind of cool, like, just do that.
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Speaker 5: So my tip for you is, no matter what you're buying,
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Speaker 5: always Google image search it because you might find a
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Speaker 5: cheap alternative. You might find it on deep Pop, you
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Speaker 5: might find it on Facebook Marketplace, because all those things
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Speaker 5: do show up in the Google image search as well.
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Speaker 4: Jess, you sent me a dupe website yesterday.
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Speaker 6: Oh yes, we were talking about it in the group
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Speaker 6: chat we put for furniture specifically because.
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Speaker 4: I like your familiar And then I was like, if
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Speaker 4: you borrowed this from Jess, and then you hadn't I know?
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Speaker 2: She actually did not true.
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Speaker 4: Yesterday we were talking about couches, yes, hysterically and how
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Speaker 4: expensive couches can be yes, and Jess was like, the
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Speaker 4: couch I've picked out is astronomically expensive, but I want
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Speaker 4: this vibe still, And so we're having this group chat.
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Speaker 4: This is what happens. We have a on Slack, which
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Speaker 4: is our internal work messenger. We have a group chat
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Speaker 4: where everybody in the team is in it. It's just
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Speaker 4: called the water cooler because we started blowing up all
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Speaker 4: of like our other areas and other group chats that
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Speaker 4: were meant for important things with our drivel. So that's
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Speaker 4: where our drivell goes. Anyway, I learned so much from
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Speaker 4: that thread.
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Speaker 3: I love that thread.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Brookshetter, it's dupe dot com great for finding furniture,
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Speaker 6: very similar concept.
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Speaker 3: Yes, you might have mentioned it before.
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure, yes, Because what you can do also
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Speaker 5: is you don't even have to go to the website.
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Speaker 5: You can put doop dot com. I think at the
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Speaker 5: start of the URL on a site that you're looking at,
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Speaker 5: like say it's like here or something like that, you
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Speaker 5: put at the start and it will find a dood
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Speaker 5: for you.
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Speaker 2: Because I'm looking at finish that right now.
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Speaker 6: A budget is not budgeting, No, it's so we will
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Speaker 6: be doing gorgeous but also why not absolutely?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's me for this week. That's that all right.
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Speaker 4: Well, what we're going to do is go to a
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Speaker 4: really quick break because on the flip side, we're going
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Speaker 4: to be talking about what do you do and how
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Speaker 4: do you handle being burnt out at work and needing
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Speaker 4: a break when you've got a whole heap of financial
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Speaker 4: goals and responsibilities and then you slid into my DMS
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Speaker 4: this week? How do you tell your job that you're
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Speaker 4: quitting but then also come out the other side with
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Speaker 4: a good reference, so guys don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody. Let's take a listen to this week's
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Speaker 3: money dilemma.
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Speaker 2: Hi, there, have you got a money dilemma you just
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Speaker 2: Now, let's take a listen to this week's money dilemma.
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Speaker 8: Hi, She's on the Money. I have a money dilemma.
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Speaker 8: So my partner and I are looking to buy our
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Speaker 8: first house. He's just finished his qualifications and we've been
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Speaker 8: waiting until he finishes. You need to be able to
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Speaker 8: be in a position to finish saving and go buy
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Speaker 8: a house. We both live with our parents at the moment,
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Speaker 8: and we're so excited to get into.
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Speaker 4: A new house.
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Speaker 10: But I've gotten to the point where I'm feeling so
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Speaker 10: burned out of work. I really don't know if this
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Speaker 10: is the field that I want to any more, and
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Speaker 10: I'm thinking about retraining into a different career. But then
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Speaker 10: I'm also thinking, should I just stick with it so
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Speaker 10: that we can progress and get our house and move forward,
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Speaker 10: which is what I've been so excited to do and
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Speaker 10: been waiting for him to do, And it just feels
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Speaker 10: like such bad timing, and I don't remember to do thanks.
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Speaker 4: That is rough because I feel like your personal values
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Speaker 4: and your mental health is currently being overshadowed by your
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Speaker 4: financial goals, and I just I don't want anyone to
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Speaker 4: be in that position.
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Speaker 2: I just want you to have your cake and eat
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Speaker 2: it too, or do you do yes.
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Speaker 6: I think it depends on how much of a pay
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Speaker 6: cut you're going to take to move into this new industry,
16:48
Speaker 6: because we always say it's never too late. You can
16:50
Speaker 6: always make a change if you're not enjoying where you are.
16:52
Speaker 6: I think that's absolutely a great choice. So you have
16:55
Speaker 6: to consider though, like even if you were to stick
16:57
Speaker 6: it out, like let's say you spent another year in
16:59
Speaker 6: the same role, because that pays you really well, and
17:01
Speaker 6: that will allow you by your first house, and then
17:03
Speaker 6: once that's done, the plan is to retrain or reskill
17:07
Speaker 6: for a new field. The assumption, the sense that I'm
17:10
Speaker 6: getting from what you said is that the new field,
17:12
Speaker 6: at least for your entry level, probably will be a
17:14
Speaker 6: lower pay rate. You're still going to have to pay
17:16
Speaker 6: the same mortgage that you secured when you were on
17:18
Speaker 6: your higher pay rate, So it may not be worth
17:23
Speaker 6: sticking it out because you're going to have to learn
17:25
Speaker 6: to live on that amount of money anyway. Like, yes,
17:28
Speaker 6: your serviceability is higher because you're earning more money.
17:31
Speaker 4: And you can get in bigger debt, but when you're
17:32
Speaker 4: in bigger debt, you got bigger responsibilities.
17:35
Speaker 6: Correct, So I don't know. You run the numbers there,
17:37
Speaker 6: always say to see what makes sense for you.
17:40
Speaker 2: Never numbers I've never heard done in my life.
17:43
Speaker 3: Play a little and pad because I think that you
17:46
Speaker 3: might be surprised.
17:46
Speaker 6: And if that's the case, I would say, well, then
17:48
Speaker 6: it's probably not worth putting your mental health further at
17:51
Speaker 6: risk to put yourself in a position where you then
17:54
Speaker 6: may not even be able to contribute or service the
17:56
Speaker 6: loan that you were able to secure because you put
17:59
Speaker 6: yourself through the heartslock.
18:00
Speaker 3: To get there.
18:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Yeah, that is so true.
18:03
Speaker 5: I would say the same thing. I don't think I'll
18:04
Speaker 5: ever unless they're like maybe children involved, or like the
18:08
Speaker 5: risks are really really high. Not to say that the
18:11
Speaker 5: risks aren't high here, but I'm saying, like it's a
18:14
Speaker 5: goal that you want to achieve. It's not something that
18:17
Speaker 5: you're you would lose, Like you're not going to like
18:20
Speaker 5: completely lose the opportunity to reachchhol like you don't have
18:23
Speaker 5: to do you don't have to do it, and so
18:25
Speaker 5: it's like you could do it later, or you could
18:27
Speaker 5: do it. It could take it a little bit longer
18:28
Speaker 5: than you expected. But what I'm saying is mental health first,
18:31
Speaker 5: always end forever, no matter what that looks like. So
18:35
Speaker 5: I would just say, do what you got to do
18:37
Speaker 5: and do what makes you happy. If and honestly I
18:39
Speaker 5: tell people this too, and I know it's not very responsible,
18:41
Speaker 5: but if right now you went into work, you put
18:45
Speaker 5: in your resignation and then you started looking for jobs,
18:47
Speaker 5: whether they were like cafe jobs or whatever, whatever job
18:50
Speaker 5: you can get just to tire you over, would that
18:52
Speaker 5: make you feel immediately happier? If so, do it, I
18:55
Speaker 5: don't care do it, and so put your mental health first.
18:58
Speaker 2: I like the idea of putting your health first.
19:00
Speaker 4: I also feel like you feel like there's a lot
19:03
Speaker 4: of responsibility if I like reverse this role. If my
19:06
Speaker 4: husband came to me and said I'm so burnt out,
19:10
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to be still pushing him to achieve
19:13
Speaker 4: our financial goals asap. I'd be like, well, can we
19:16
Speaker 4: change the timeline on this. You're clearly not happy in
19:18
Speaker 4: your career. You want to change this, and that let's
19:21
Speaker 4: do it when we have a bit more financial freedom
19:23
Speaker 4: and like the budget that will allow that, because it's
19:25
Speaker 4: a different story once quote, life happens, once you have
19:28
Speaker 4: a mortgage, once you have kids, once you've got more responsibilities,
19:31
Speaker 4: you don't have the freedom and the flexibility that you
19:34
Speaker 4: might be afforded right now. And I'm telling you right now,
19:37
Speaker 4: your money goals mean literally nothing if by the time
19:40
Speaker 4: you achieve them, you can't enjoy them absolutely, Like is
19:44
Speaker 4: getting the house then going to be even more of
19:46
Speaker 4: a stress, because then you're like, I'm really never going
19:48
Speaker 4: to become a nurse, Like and maybe that's the thing
19:50
Speaker 4: you really wanted to do, because I can't take a
19:52
Speaker 4: pay cut and I can't do this, and I can't
19:53
Speaker 4: do that. Now I feel really restricted, and maybe you'll
19:55
Speaker 4: become resentful of the goals that you've achieved together. That's
19:58
Speaker 4: not the life I want you to li if that's
20:00
Speaker 4: not who I want you to become. So I think
20:02
Speaker 4: sitting down and talking with your partner about how burnt
20:04
Speaker 4: out you are is probably the first step, because they
20:07
Speaker 4: might be really logical about it and they go, oh,
20:09
Speaker 4: my god, yess, what are we doing trying to buy
20:11
Speaker 4: a house by the end of the year then, and
20:13
Speaker 4: that's so silly of us. But also, I don't know
20:16
Speaker 4: how much you earn, So are there different roles you
20:19
Speaker 4: could do that are kind of in the middle that
20:22
Speaker 4: would allow you to study and still earn a similar income,
20:25
Speaker 4: Like have you done your budget such that you know
20:27
Speaker 4: what your contributions to the mortgage would be and how
20:30
Speaker 4: you could still provide during that time, Because maybe the
20:34
Speaker 4: reason that you are saying I really want to stick
20:37
Speaker 4: this job out because it's high paying, is.
20:38
Speaker 2: You want to get the deposit.
20:40
Speaker 4: But then you're like, oh, but with thee we've already
20:42
Speaker 4: done all the maths and the repayments my partner could
20:45
Speaker 4: afford on his salary. Then that's a different story again
20:48
Speaker 4: than you know, putting your head down for the next
20:51
Speaker 4: three months and going, yeah, your mental health is really important,
20:53
Speaker 4: but like, let's get this goal ticked off and then
20:55
Speaker 4: you can literally quit. I don't know what that looks like. Yeah,
21:00
Speaker 4: I think you need to look into it a little
21:01
Speaker 4: bit more. But I feel like that's a really important
21:03
Speaker 4: one because we should be taking our mental health seriously.
21:06
Speaker 2: But you're not going to be surprised. Yes, what you
21:08
Speaker 2: to come back down to communication?
21:10
Speaker 3: Exactly?
21:10
Speaker 4: Crazy crazy, But that's literally like talk with your partner,
21:14
Speaker 4: because as much as asking us is very hopefully helpful,
21:17
Speaker 4: I need you to work out what that actually logically
21:19
Speaker 4: means and pragmatically means it means for your budget.
21:22
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I hope you feel better soon. I'm sorry
21:23
Speaker 6: that you're feeling burnt out. That's a really hard place
21:25
Speaker 6: to find yourself.
21:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're sending lots of love and maybe maybe
21:29
Speaker 4: check your and you'll leave and see if you could
21:31
Speaker 4: take a mini break, oh instead of just like quitting
21:33
Speaker 4: your job and changing Yeah, or sickly, there's mental health
21:36
Speaker 4: leaf for thousand percent. It's still valid, still valid. Go
21:39
Speaker 4: to the doctor, say I need mental health leaf. Can
21:41
Speaker 4: you give me a six certificate? They will, Yeah, promise
21:43
Speaker 4: make you for many days as well.
21:44
Speaker 2: Exactly.
21:45
Speaker 4: All right, do you want to slide into my dams
21:47
Speaker 4: and see what people have been messaging me this week.
21:49
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd love to do.
21:50
Speaker 4: All right, So I got this one and I've picked
21:52
Speaker 4: it out to go on the show because I'm like.
21:53
Speaker 2: Oh, spicy, Hi. I have a little bit of a
21:56
Speaker 2: life dilemma.
21:57
Speaker 4: My workplace is toxic and I plan on leaving next
22:00
Speaker 4: year after our busy period to move in with my
22:02
Speaker 4: long distance boyfriend. You should I tell my toxic boss
22:07
Speaker 4: now or do I only give the required one month notice.
22:10
Speaker 4: I'm worried if I start applying for jobs they'll find
22:12
Speaker 4: out because it's a pretty small industry. But I'm also
22:16
Speaker 4: worried that they will take my extended notice pretty badly
22:19
Speaker 4: as this is my full time job in my career
22:21
Speaker 4: post UNI. I would love to use them as a reference,
22:24
Speaker 4: but obviously can't until I tell them. Honestly, if I
22:28
Speaker 4: could leave tomorrow, I would, but I don't want to
22:30
Speaker 4: let my team down as we are entering the busiest
22:33
Speaker 4: time of the year. I'm talking heaps of unpaid overtime
22:36
Speaker 4: at the moment. I'd love to know what you guys think.
22:40
Speaker 2: What do you do back? I think I guess Yeah.
22:42
Speaker 5: The tricky thing is because it's quite like a small
22:44
Speaker 5: industry and like they might find out that is a
22:46
Speaker 5: bit shit. I remember one time I applied for a
22:48
Speaker 5: job and I hadn't even got the interview. They haven't
22:50
Speaker 5: even called me yet, but they had called my boss
22:53
Speaker 5: at the time for a reference.
22:55
Speaker 2: And they asked me.
22:56
Speaker 5: I know, and I'm sure it is so disrespect It
23:00
Speaker 5: was so like I didn't even know who called her.
23:02
Speaker 4: I was just I was.
23:03
Speaker 5: And I was so scared of her too. She was
23:05
Speaker 5: a very scary boss.
23:06
Speaker 2: But I just remember be like so inappropriate. It was crazy.
23:09
Speaker 5: So it's like I can totally understand the anxiety about
23:11
Speaker 5: like not wanting to like.
23:12
Speaker 2: Apply it as an employer. I would never I know.
23:16
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's made me so angry on your behalf.
23:18
Speaker 2: Oh god, thank you, thank you.
23:21
Speaker 7: Okay, I've the.
23:22
Speaker 4: People apply for jobs that she's on the money that
23:24
Speaker 4: I know through either Other Than the Money podcasts or
23:27
Speaker 4: our community or other financial advice businesses, and like I know,
23:32
Speaker 4: and then I feel slightly awkward because I know their boss.
23:35
Speaker 4: But I'd never tell their boss unless I was planning
23:37
Speaker 4: on offering them a role, at which point I'd be like, Jess,
23:39
Speaker 4: I'm thinking of offering your role. Can I call up
23:41
Speaker 4: my mate X y Z and have a chat about you.
23:44
Speaker 4: I would get your consent and you might go, oh,
23:48
Speaker 4: they probably not yet, because I'd love to tell him
23:50
Speaker 4: that I'm planning on leaving first or whatever, like that's
23:54
Speaker 4: not my place.
23:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh my god, that's so true. Okay, So I
23:57
Speaker 5: can understand the anxiety around that. I think I would
24:01
Speaker 5: because maybe they ask your references later, or maybe it's
24:04
Speaker 5: on your resume or something. But I would not be
24:06
Speaker 5: using the most toxic people in the workplace. And I
24:09
Speaker 5: know that like people like to call the boss or
24:12
Speaker 5: like to call the people that are managing you, but
24:14
Speaker 5: I would try, and like I sometimes use personal references
24:18
Speaker 5: even if they're colleagues that I work alongside, because personally
24:21
Speaker 5: I would I would take the advice from someone who
24:24
Speaker 5: is working with you every single day, where they're not
24:27
Speaker 5: necessarily managing you, but they know you better than your
24:30
Speaker 5: boss does, who sees you probably once a month for
24:33
Speaker 5: a whip you know, in a meeting and doesn't know
24:36
Speaker 5: your personality, doesn't know anything about you, doesn't know what
24:39
Speaker 5: you do day to day. I would much more likely
24:41
Speaker 5: take the advice of someone who works with you so
24:43
Speaker 5: and not that that's the case for everyone, but I
24:45
Speaker 5: would be trying to like find people in the office
24:47
Speaker 5: by people you work with that you trust. That maybe
24:50
Speaker 5: one is a personal reference, someone you work with, and
24:52
Speaker 5: maybe someone's a little bit higher up. They might not
24:55
Speaker 5: even necessarily need to be directly above you or directly
24:57
Speaker 5: managing you, but just some people that you have as allies,
25:01
Speaker 5: as people who will advocate for you. And then I
25:03
Speaker 5: would probably I'll tell your workplace when it's time to
25:07
Speaker 5: start looking, when you're starting to get stressed about needing
25:10
Speaker 5: to find a job. That's the point where I would
25:12
Speaker 5: tell them. But I would find some allies first, ahead
25:15
Speaker 5: of the curb, and not put your boss, your toxic
25:18
Speaker 5: boss down as a reference.
25:22
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
25:22
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, I think that reminder. Your reference doesn't
25:25
Speaker 6: have to be your direct manager. It could be someone
25:28
Speaker 6: higher than them. It could be someone that you've worked
25:29
Speaker 6: with on a project. It could be you know you
25:31
Speaker 6: can you get to pick and choose your references. It
25:33
Speaker 6: could be whatever you want them to be. Also, you
25:35
Speaker 6: don't have to list your references on your CV. So
25:37
Speaker 6: my CV it says reference available upon request, and that
25:40
Speaker 6: is that's a two thousand percent what I would recommend
25:42
Speaker 6: to everybody. It means that you avoid that situation of
25:45
Speaker 6: someone being called without your knowledge.
25:48
Speaker 4: Also, sorry, I would absolutely be a reference if you
25:51
Speaker 4: turned around and said I would like to move on
25:53
Speaker 4: from She's on the money.
25:53
Speaker 2: Fantastic.
25:54
Speaker 4: But would it be okay if you don't put my
25:56
Speaker 4: name and my personal number and all my information you
26:00
Speaker 4: may that you may be going to spam across the internet.
26:02
Speaker 2: Would that be okay?
26:03
Speaker 4: Happy to be your reference if they ask you for
26:05
Speaker 4: a reference, But like, I don't particularly want my mobile
26:08
Speaker 4: number being just sent to random hiring managers.
26:10
Speaker 2: No, that's weird.
26:11
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think how soon you tell them comes down
26:14
Speaker 6: to where the person you have to tell your manager
26:17
Speaker 6: or HR whoever it is, where they sit in the
26:20
Speaker 6: scheme of the toxicity. Because in your message, you've told
26:23
Speaker 6: us that you're doing a lot of overtime and those
26:25
Speaker 6: sorts of things, which may mean that maybe you have
26:27
Speaker 6: a good relationship with your manager. Yeah, in which case
26:30
Speaker 6: I'm of the opinion I think you're doing a great
26:32
Speaker 6: thing by working through the busy period.
26:33
Speaker 3: That's very considerate. Where you can give advanced notice.
26:38
Speaker 6: I think it is really helpful because obviously allows your
26:41
Speaker 6: team your managers whoever are to prepare at the same time.
26:45
Speaker 3: I know that we've said before you don't owe anybody anything.
26:47
Speaker 6: You only are required to give your minimum notice period
26:50
Speaker 6: as outlined in you know, whatever your contract is or
26:53
Speaker 6: your eeda or whatever that looks like for you. If
26:56
Speaker 6: you have a good relationship and you want to look
26:58
Speaker 6: after them, which I kind of get the sense that
26:59
Speaker 6: you do because you're working through the busy period, I'd
27:01
Speaker 6: say it's probably better to say student than later if
27:04
Speaker 6: you don't think that that's going to bite you in
27:06
Speaker 6: the ass. So like, if you're going to give them
27:07
Speaker 6: advance notice and you go, oh, the people in my
27:08
Speaker 6: team are going to make my life hell because they
27:11
Speaker 6: are like, well, you're leaving and we don't like you, Me, me,
27:13
Speaker 6: and MEM, then keep it to your test until you
27:16
Speaker 6: have to tell them. It's really hard to say without
27:18
Speaker 6: knowing exactly what your relationships are like within that environment.
27:22
Speaker 6: And ultimately, I just want you to feel protected and
27:24
Speaker 6: safe and looked after. And the last thing I would
27:27
Speaker 6: say is that leaving a workplace doesn't have to be
27:30
Speaker 6: a negative thing like what you were saying. I would
27:33
Speaker 6: hope that you can hand in your resignation and say
27:36
Speaker 6: I want to move on to something different, I want
27:38
Speaker 6: to try something new, whatever it is that you want
27:40
Speaker 6: to say, and the people around you will go, oh,
27:42
Speaker 6: my goodness, thank you for everything that you've done for us, Like,
27:45
Speaker 6: I'm so excited for your next step. Yeah, Like I
27:47
Speaker 6: know that that's always the case. That's very much a
27:49
Speaker 6: dream world and everyone's that lucky. But hopefully that can
27:53
Speaker 6: be the outcome for you.
27:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've got my fingers crossed that that could
27:56
Speaker 4: be it. But we know that's not the reality. I mean,
27:59
Speaker 4: in our business. I hope that's the experience everyone who
28:02
Speaker 4: has quit has had because I'm just grateful, Like I'm
28:06
Speaker 4: just grateful that you've been here and that you invested
28:09
Speaker 4: into my business and your time and your energy. And
28:12
Speaker 4: on the flip side, I'm also acutely aware I'm maybe
28:14
Speaker 4: in a different position, but I'm a small business. I
28:18
Speaker 4: know that caps exist inside my business in terms of
28:21
Speaker 4: professional development, in terms of being able to carve out
28:25
Speaker 4: your dream roles.
28:26
Speaker 2: Like, don't get me wrong, I.
28:27
Speaker 4: Try so hard to push as much as possible, but
28:30
Speaker 4: there's going to be a cap, Like I'm not a
28:32
Speaker 4: fifty person organization where I can be like, oh, yeah, Jess,
28:36
Speaker 4: one day you'll be a massive manager and have ten
28:38
Speaker 4: people under you. She turned around and said that was
28:40
Speaker 4: one of her goals. I'd be like, I love that
28:42
Speaker 4: you want to do that. I don't even have ten employees, and.
28:45
Speaker 2: She's on the money. You know people, Yeah, like, where
28:48
Speaker 2: are the people?
28:49
Speaker 4: I don't know who you're managing, but like, I would
28:52
Speaker 4: love to have everybody be able to have those open
28:55
Speaker 4: conversations with their team. But I also have seen too
28:58
Speaker 4: many toxic things happen, and so my advice would be
29:01
Speaker 4: holding your cards close to your chest. I know you're
29:04
Speaker 4: moving in and you'd love to move in with your
29:06
Speaker 4: long distance boyfriend. Let's pretend it's six months from now.
29:09
Speaker 4: I can't tell you what's going to happen in six months.
29:11
Speaker 4: I don't think that your boss needs six months of
29:15
Speaker 4: heads up for that. You're probably you know, looking for
29:17
Speaker 4: jobs and whatnot, and that's fantastic. But I would think
29:19
Speaker 4: if you were able to give them a little bit
29:21
Speaker 4: more notice than the month, fantastic. Maybe you could give
29:24
Speaker 4: them six weeks and be like, hey, I'm going to
29:26
Speaker 4: give you six weeks notice. If they're not very kind people,
29:29
Speaker 4: they might be really rude and walk you on the
29:31
Speaker 4: day that you resign, they still have to pay you that.
29:34
Speaker 2: If they do that, they do have to pay you back.
29:35
Speaker 4: They might not want you there and might go, oh,
29:37
Speaker 4: thanks for the six weeks notice, Jess. Actually we're just
29:40
Speaker 4: going to fall back on that four and only pay
29:42
Speaker 4: you for four in lieu of notice, and then you're
29:45
Speaker 4: worse off again. So I think it's also in delivery.
29:48
Speaker 4: So it's not about the fact that you're quitting. I
29:51
Speaker 4: think it's about what you do in those four weeks
29:54
Speaker 4: after you have quit. Are you supporting the team still
29:59
Speaker 4: or are you completely mentally checked out? Are you sitting
30:01
Speaker 4: down and going all right, well, Jess, I'm leaving. How
30:04
Speaker 4: can I best support you? Here's my hand overleased, here's
30:07
Speaker 4: all of the contacts. I am setting you up for
30:09
Speaker 4: the greatest amount of success so that my absence isn't
30:14
Speaker 4: detrimental to the business. You're asking your boss what you
30:17
Speaker 4: can do, how you can support you during that period.
30:19
Speaker 4: I think is the most constructive thing that you can do,
30:22
Speaker 4: and that's what's going to lead to a good reference.
30:24
Speaker 4: But as someone who also hires people, I have never
30:28
Speaker 4: asked for nor would I ever expect a reference from
30:30
Speaker 4: your current organization.
30:32
Speaker 5: Iigue, yeah, never like I would.
30:35
Speaker 4: I'd love the pervy deeds, but like, sorry, I'm assuming
30:37
Speaker 4: your boss doesn't know that you're leaving. Yeah, and there's
30:41
Speaker 4: probably a good reason as to why you're leaving. And
30:43
Speaker 4: in your interview, I'm going to be asking I'm going
30:46
Speaker 4: to be like, hey, so what's making you want to
30:47
Speaker 4: move on from this business? And I can get a
30:49
Speaker 4: gauge and like that's another like maybe we need to
30:53
Speaker 4: do more career podcasts or something on how to interview
30:55
Speaker 4: what that looks like. We've done some before, But I
30:57
Speaker 4: just I think that there's so many questions around this
31:00
Speaker 4: at the moment that I just go for me, it's
31:02
Speaker 4: not that you're quitting, it's how you handle yourself after
31:05
Speaker 4: you quit, and quitting in a really respectful way and
31:07
Speaker 4: not going hey, don't get me wrong, they're toxic, but
31:10
Speaker 4: not going hey, I'm so glad I get to hand
31:12
Speaker 4: you this letter your toxic af Yeah, but just going hey,
31:16
Speaker 4: like another opportunity has come up. You also have to
31:18
Speaker 4: think about and this is awful, but you have to
31:20
Speaker 4: think about whether you want to share with them why
31:22
Speaker 4: you're quitting, Like, are you just going, Hey, I feel
31:26
Speaker 4: like I've served my time here and I've gotten so
31:29
Speaker 4: much out of it, Thank you so much. And I've
31:30
Speaker 4: been presented with another opportunity or are you sharing with them, Hey,
31:33
Speaker 4: I want to move in with my long distance boyfriend.
31:35
Speaker 4: And then they're talking smack behind closed doors about oh
31:38
Speaker 4: my god, can you believe that Jess is quitting this job,
31:41
Speaker 4: which we think is incredible for a boy like I
31:44
Speaker 4: don't know them.
31:45
Speaker 2: I'm just always a bit more conservative.
31:47
Speaker 4: But it's always about approaching literally everything you do with
31:50
Speaker 4: the utmost respect and leaving it better than it was
31:53
Speaker 4: when you entered. And if you do that, I can't
31:56
Speaker 4: see why you wouldn't get a good reference.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: So what did everyone else say?
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, they had so much tea. So first
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Speaker 4: things first, I asked them some questions. First question, what
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Speaker 4: will you do if you were our community member? Forty
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Speaker 4: two percent said just give the required notice, thirty five
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Speaker 4: percent said I'd lock in a new job and then
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Speaker 4: I would quit, fourteen percent said do not wait until
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Speaker 4: the busy season is over to leave, and eight percent
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Speaker 4: said I'd give more than a month's notice. Then I asked,
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Speaker 4: how would you balance leaving a job and getting a reference.
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Speaker 4: Sixty one percent said find a trusted reference alternative, sixteen
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Speaker 4: percent said be honest with your plans early, fourteen percent
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Speaker 4: said give one month and just hope for the best,
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Speaker 4: and eight percent said leave them off your reference list.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which I think is fair.
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Speaker 4: All right, So then I said, what's your two cents?
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Speaker 4: First person said, don't shoot yourself in the foot by
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Speaker 4: being a nice person for a toxic workplace.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that is also so true.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 4: Another person said new employers always understand that you can't
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Speaker 4: use the current employer as a reference.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Next person said, I tried to give one month's notice
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Speaker 4: and I had two weeks required and they just let
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Speaker 4: me go after three days. If they paid you out
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Speaker 4: your non sperio, they absolutely should have paid you out
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Speaker 4: your notice period. They required to, so if they didn't
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Speaker 4: hit them up one hundred percent. But it's also in
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Speaker 4: some instances. So I used to work in consulting and
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Speaker 4: on the day that I resigned from that job, they
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Speaker 4: told me not to come back. And it wasn't because
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Speaker 4: I had a bad experience or everything was negative. I
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Speaker 4: really liked that team, and I was aware that was
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Speaker 4: probably what's going to happen, because that had happened to
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Speaker 4: everybody else in the business. But it was because I
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Speaker 4: was going to have direct communication with clients and still
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Speaker 4: be working on highly confidential stuff and like perpetuating projects
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Speaker 4: that essentially would need me if I kept working on them.
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Speaker 4: And they were just like, that's great, the like we're
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Speaker 4: obviously going to pay you out you're notice but like
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Speaker 4: you're basically on gardening leaf, like go home at the
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Speaker 4: end of today, and that's it. Like you know, we'll
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Speaker 4: call or text you over the next two weeks because
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Speaker 4: as much as like you're on leave and you're being quote,
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Speaker 4: let go to DIAU, Like if we've got any questions
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Speaker 4: over the next two weeks, were well within our rights
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Speaker 4: to call you because you're technically still being paid and
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Speaker 4: will ask any of those questions. But you are going
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Speaker 4: to leave your laptop, your keys, you'll like swipe past
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Speaker 4: everything at the end of today.
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Speaker 2: And that's just how we roll.
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Speaker 4: And it wasn't me being walked because I was in trouble,
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Speaker 4: but that was definitely the culture and I knew to
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Speaker 4: anticipate that. But that's something you've got to expect. Like
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Speaker 4: sometimes also not in that circumstance. But ego comes into it.
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Speaker 4: People don't like being quote rejected, and just because they're
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Speaker 4: a manager doesn't make them mature, so they might go, oh,
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Speaker 4: Jess quick, get her out, get her out, just tell
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Speaker 4: her to leave now. I don't even want to see
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Speaker 4: her face in the office.
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Speaker 2: People are like that. They are horrific. That is crazy.
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Speaker 4: Next person said, you sound like a team player. Surely
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Speaker 4: there's someone, even if it's not your boss.
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Speaker 2: Who will be a reference. Just like the exit, it's
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Speaker 2: so true. I'll just do one last one because I
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Speaker 2: think it hits the nail on the head.
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Speaker 4: Someone said, as someone that works in HR, right, now
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Speaker 4: get the job and then resign only once you have
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Speaker 4: and have signed the new contract.
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Speaker 3: Oh I completely I agree with that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely exactly. So we'll leave it there.
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Speaker 4: But my friends, I feel like that was a fun conversation. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: getting really heated in the last few weeks about like
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Speaker 4: my responses. I'll try to calm it down, but like, no,
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Speaker 4: you girls got an opinion. But I'll see you bright
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Speaker 4: early on Monday morning for a money diary. But till then,
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Speaker 4: have the best weekend by.
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