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Midlife Shake-up: Strategies for Reclaiming True Self with Jenny Calcoen · The Menopause Disruptor Podcast

• 0:00
  Jenny Calcoen: We are wise women.
• 0:01
  Jenny Calcoen: We've lived like 40, 50 years, 60 years.
• 0:06
  Jenny Calcoen: We know stuff and we stand in our power and we're not going to negotiate that with anyone anymore.
• 0:13
  Jenny Calcoen: And I just see it as my job to get my clients back to that point where they see themselves.
• 0:21
  Jenny Calcoen: Where they reconnect with that essence of themselves within.
• 0:28
  Jenny Calcoen: Because we already have everything we need.
• 0:34
  Mary Lee: Oh my goodness.
• 0:35
  Mary Lee: Jenny Calcoen and I, we, well, I had to take a lot to notes We talked about.
• 0:41
  Mary Lee: What is an earthquake in a woman's midlife You don't want to miss that.
• 0:45
  Mary Lee: We talked about.
• 0:48
  Mary Lee: losing sight of who we are.
• 0:49
  Mary Lee: And a coach like Jenny brings you back to your inner knowing.
• 0:53
  Mary Lee: some of her gems that she shares.
• 0:55
  Mary Lee: And I don't want to give it all away in this intro, but.
• 0:57
  Mary Lee: Never negotiate your values.
• 1:00
  Mary Lee: she says that is our pure essence.
• 1:02
  Mary Lee: We unpack the role of magnetic presence, which is part of cultivating self-awareness.
• 1:08
  Mary Lee: This is such a good episode.
• 1:11
  Mary Lee: I can't wait for you to listen.
• 1:13
  Mary Lee: But you know what, before we get started, here's a few things you should know about Jenny Calcoen.
• 1:18
  Mary Lee: She is the CEO and the founder of inner earthquake.
• 1:22
  Mary Lee: What is inner earthquake?
• 1:24
  Mary Lee: She's going to tell you what that is.
• 1:26
  Mary Lee: She believes that white knuckling it.
• 1:28
  Mary Lee: Is not the only way to go.
• 1:30
  Mary Lee: The best way to go through life is having radical honesty.
• 1:34
  Mary Lee: And integrity with self first and foremost.
• 1:37
  Mary Lee: She had a 26 year corporate career.
• 1:40
  Mary Lee: And senior leadership, but now she mentors coaches and teaches women to step into bigger versions of themselves.
• 1:47
  Mary Lee: Hmm, sounding familiar to me.
• 1:49
  Mary Lee: Now she doesn't always wear a white Cape, she should.
• 1:53
  Mary Lee: But she does have some amazing superpowers, a couple of them being deep listening and.
• 1:59
  Mary Lee: Complete presence, which she teaches her clients And she guides them into a dedicated space where her clients can experiment, explore, and experience what it means to have a vibrant life.
• 2:12
  Mary Lee: Jenny's Transformative coaching approach helps women to have a different relationship with themselves.
• 2:18
  Mary Lee: no matter what happens to them in life.
• 2:21
  Mary Lee: She has seen it all.
• 2:22
  Mary Lee: She will unpack that.
• 2:23
  Mary Lee: Plus what her favorite book is, which is so Appropriate to the menopause journey.
• 2:28
  Mary Lee: Where can you find Jenny, her website is jennycalcoen.Com.
• 2:32
  Mary Lee: in that spelled C a L C O E N.
• 2:37
  Mary Lee: on the LinkedIn as Jenny hyphen, Calcoen.
• 2:41
  Mary Lee: Stay tuned.
• 2:42
  Mary Lee: You're going to love this episode.
• 2:44
  Mary Lee: I know I did.
• 2:44
  Mary Lee: I was smiling from ear to ear.
• 2:50
  Mary Lee: Jenny.
• 2:51
  Mary Lee: Welcome.
• 2:52
  Mary Lee: I'm so glad you're on all things menopausal.
• 2:54
  Mary Lee: I think the story that you're going to tell will be very apropos for women as they unpack some of their midlife traumas, if you will, or things that have come up that we just need to deal with.
• 3:07
  Mary Lee: And I love that your business is called Inner Earthquake.
• 3:12
  Mary Lee: If that doesn't cause a shakeup right there, so first Welcome on all things menopausal.
• 3:19
  Mary Lee: Yeah.
• 3:20
  Jenny Calcoen: Thank you.
• 3:20
  Jenny Calcoen: Thank you for having me.
• 3:22
  Jenny Calcoen: And tell us all about the namesake.
• 3:25
  Jenny Calcoen: Where did you come up with that dynamic name?
• 3:27
  Jenny Calcoen: I love it.
• 3:29
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah.
• 3:30
  Jenny Calcoen: It came from trying to describe what my clients were going through.
• 3:36
  Jenny Calcoen: And I realized, these These clients of mine are going through, serious events, traumatic events, major events in their lives.
• 3:44
  Jenny Calcoen: And that might be caused by going through a divorce or job changes or physical changes, right?
• 3:50
  Jenny Calcoen: Menopause or empty nest.
• 3:52
  Jenny Calcoen: And I was trying to describe all of that.
• 3:56
  Jenny Calcoen: And then I thought actually, it doesn't really matter what causes it.
• 4:00
  Jenny Calcoen: It's what it all causes the same thing on the inside.
• 4:03
  Jenny Calcoen: And what I call it was an inner earthquake.
• 4:05
  Jenny Calcoen: And I'm not saying that I came up with that term, but that was the term that came to me and Every time I mention it, I would say 90 percent of women I speak to go, Oh yes.
• 4:16
  Jenny Calcoen: I know exactly what that is.
• 4:18
  Jenny Calcoen: Or I have gone through it or someone I know knows it.
• 4:21
  Jenny Calcoen: And it's usually only men who ask me to explain what an inner earthquake is.
• 4:26
  Jenny Calcoen: So it definitely seems to be meaningful to women in midlife.
• 4:31
  Jenny Calcoen: So yeah,
• 4:33
  Speaker: absolutely.
• 4:34
  Speaker: I've been working with a few clients on my own or just talking to some like Colleagues, and it is, it's like this disruption, our bodies are betraying us, and there's this inner fire, and it's not just hot flashes, but this inner eruption, if you will, and I find it's an opportunity to step into something greater.
• 4:54
  Speaker: But getting there takes a coach, it takes a guide, and this is your area of expertise.
• 5:01
  Speaker: But before we go there, tell us how you arrived at where you're at.
• 5:06
  Speaker: This is always our journey, our pain points that help us understand the transformation that the people we want to work with
• 5:12
  Jenny Calcoen: need.
• 5:14
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah.
• 5:14
  Jenny Calcoen: Of course I have gone through my own earthquakes in my own inner earthquakes.
• 5:20
  Jenny Calcoen: large and small.
• 5:22
  Jenny Calcoen: And I would say that inner earthquakes are really identity crisis, right?
• 5:26
  Jenny Calcoen: That's really what is going on.
• 5:29
  Jenny Calcoen: It's who am I, if I am no longer fill in the blank, right?
• 5:33
  Jenny Calcoen: It's a role.
• 5:33
  Jenny Calcoen: If I'm no longer a wife, if I'm no longer a stay at home mom to a child, who's at home or, in, in our case, when perimenopause and menopause, who am I, if I'm not no longer this.
• 5:48
  Jenny Calcoen: This fertile woman in my early twenties.
• 5:51
  Jenny Calcoen: My journey is probably not very different from anyone else's.
• 5:56
  Jenny Calcoen: My first inner earthquake or my first substantial earthquake inner earthquake is I would say was in my twenties when I was diagnosed at age 28 with cervical cancer.
• 6:07
  Jenny Calcoen: And the question I asked myself at the time was before we knew what the treatment, if the treatment was going to be effective.
• 6:17
  Jenny Calcoen: The question I asked myself was if this, if these are like the, say the last six months or the last years, The last year that I have to live, is this the life that I want to live?
• 6:28
  Jenny Calcoen: And the answer was a resounding no.
• 6:31
  Jenny Calcoen: So I announced to my husband at the time that I wanted a divorce and within a year, I got a divorce.
• 6:40
  Jenny Calcoen: I got healthy.
• 6:42
  Jenny Calcoen: I changed jobs.
• 6:43
  Jenny Calcoen: I moved countries and I started dating my now husband of 22 years.
• 6:49
  Jenny Calcoen: So I don't recommend that as a path to anyone, but that's what happened for me.
• 6:55
  Jenny Calcoen: So that is certainly That certainly shook me up and woke me up to who am I actually?
• 7:03
  Jenny Calcoen: And I felt that I was living someone else's life or someone else's expectations of me.
• 7:09
  Jenny Calcoen: And the question became, what is it that I want and who am I and how do I choose to be?
• 7:14
  Jenny Calcoen: To live my life.
• 7:15
  Jenny Calcoen: And I've been asking that question ever since, and it's led me on many different journeys, including leaving behind the corporate world after 26 years and owning my own business and moving continents to to now live in the California, hopefully sunshine soon.
• 7:35
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah, so that's in a nutshell that's being part of my journey.
• 7:52
  Mary Lee: So that's quite the journey and I appreciate that you shared that.
• 7:56
  Mary Lee: And when we go through that walk where it involves a dis ease, I'm sure you've heard it before too, that there is a dis ease in the body.
• 8:08
  Mary Lee: Something is not moving, something doesn't feel right, and it can manifest, unfortunately, into something physical like an illness.
• 8:16
  Mary Lee: And, yeah.
• 8:17
  Mary Lee: Helps us, this disruption helps us open our eyes and choose paths and not to go back and replay your diagnosis in that journey, that illness.
• 8:27
  Mary Lee: But oftentimes, would you equate, we've heard this, but would you equate the root cause of your unease from the fact that you were just in the wrong place, be it marriage, your vocation or even your location of where you were living.
• 8:46
  Jenny Calcoen: I was just not in my chosen life.
• 8:49
  Jenny Calcoen: I didn't realize that there, that I had a choice.
• 8:54
  Jenny Calcoen: I felt I left home when I was 18 years old under, not ideal circumstances.
• 9:00
  Jenny Calcoen: And I just did what I thought everybody around me seemed to be doing.
• 9:06
  Jenny Calcoen: It's you start working and you meet someone and so you get married.
• 9:10
  Jenny Calcoen: And so I was doing the career thing and there was nothing particularly wrong with my life.
• 9:15
  Jenny Calcoen: There was nothing wrong with my husband.
• 9:17
  Jenny Calcoen: He was a kind and gentle person.
• 9:21
  Jenny Calcoen: It was just not the life that I had chosen for myself.
• 9:25
  Jenny Calcoen: And so I would wake up a lot and think is this it?
• 9:29
  Jenny Calcoen: And in your twenties, I really don't think you're meant to ask, is this it in your life?
• 9:36
  Jenny Calcoen: And I didn't really do anything about it.
• 9:39
  Jenny Calcoen: Cause I, I didn't know what to do about it.
• 9:41
  Jenny Calcoen: I remember even Even buying a book, and I think the title was, Is This It?
• 9:45
  Jenny Calcoen: And I was convinced, aha, this is it.
• 9:47
  Jenny Calcoen: I'm going to find the answer to my question in this book.
• 9:51
  Jenny Calcoen: And of course, that wasn't true.
• 9:53
  Jenny Calcoen: And it wasn't until this ease manifested in an, in a physical illness that it felt like all the fog cleared.
• 10:03
  Jenny Calcoen: And I was incredibly clear, 100 percent crystal clear, and I felt it and I knew it in my body.
• 10:13
  Jenny Calcoen: This is not what I want.
• 10:14
  Jenny Calcoen: If this is, the last six months of my life, this is not what I want.
• 10:20
  Jenny Calcoen: So I think, I don't know if that's the same for other people, but that was my journey.
• 10:28
  Speaker: Unbelievable.
• 10:29
  Speaker: Obviously, then, when you went through this transition, it drew you to work in that field with women in the midlife in particular.
• 10:38
  Speaker: What are some of the common challenges you're seeing now with those, with your clients in their midlife transition?
• 10:43
  Speaker: That is, for lack of a better word, and probably the most appropriate word, has them stuck
• 10:49
  Jenny Calcoen: yeah, what I see most of all is the research tells us that by the time we reach midlife, we've gone through on average five of these major transformational events in our lives.
• 11:04
  Jenny Calcoen: And when I say that to women, I very often get the response, Oh, I've been through more than five.
• 11:11
  Jenny Calcoen: And that's life, right?
• 11:12
  Jenny Calcoen: Life throws us curveballs from time to time.
• 11:15
  Jenny Calcoen: There's nothing we can change about our external circumstances.
• 11:20
  Jenny Calcoen: But what we are taught, generally, as women, is we can't lose control.
• 11:26
  Jenny Calcoen: Very often, our family, our immediate family, sometimes our extended family depends on us for all sorts of things, right?
• 11:34
  Jenny Calcoen: We are the ones that keep things going.
• 11:36
  Jenny Calcoen: And so what we are taught and what we internalize is I've just got to suck it up.
• 11:41
  Jenny Calcoen: I've got a wide knuckle through it.
• 11:43
  Jenny Calcoen: I've got to power my way through it.
• 11:45
  Jenny Calcoen: All these.
• 11:46
  Jenny Calcoen: Strong words that indicate no, we're not taking a break here.
• 11:51
  Jenny Calcoen: We're not listening to ourselves.
• 11:53
  Jenny Calcoen: We just have to keep going.
• 11:55
  Jenny Calcoen: And what happens is that's just not sustainable.
• 11:58
  Jenny Calcoen: It's not healthy and it's not sustainable with all the consequences that follow.
• 12:05
  Jenny Calcoen: There might just be.
• 12:07
  Jenny Calcoen: One thing that to one person might seem like a tiny little thing, and it becomes like the drop in the bucket that, is just the final thing where we just feel like, I don't even know what I'm doing.
• 12:22
  Jenny Calcoen: I don't know that these are things that my actual clients say, I don't know who I am.
• 12:29
  Jenny Calcoen: I don't know what I like.
• 12:31
  Jenny Calcoen: I don't even know what I like to eat or what my favorite color is.
• 12:36
  Jenny Calcoen: I don't know that I didn't know that I could feel like the rug was pulled out from under me.
• 12:42
  Jenny Calcoen: So these are things that, that my client's experience.
• 12:45
  Jenny Calcoen: These are the things that they literally say I don't know where I go from here.
• 12:50
  Jenny Calcoen: I don't see the future.
• 12:52
  Jenny Calcoen: I don't know what I, what can happen from here because I don't know how I would change anything.
• 13:00
  Jenny Calcoen: And that's I think that's more than stuck, right?
• 13:03
  Jenny Calcoen: That's an extreme discomfort.
• 13:07
  Jenny Calcoen: And yet, that.
• 13:08
  Jenny Calcoen: Somehow you need to get through that to get to the other side, but you just have no idea how to do it or where to go.
• 13:16
  Jenny Calcoen: Absolutely.
• 13:18
  Speaker: And so your step process and the holistic approach you take to it, tell us a little bit about that and how you arrived at determining that a more holistic lifestyle was indeed the most effective for your clients.
• 13:34
  Jenny Calcoen: I personally believe that who we be is first and all action comes from who we be.
• 13:46
  Jenny Calcoen: But we live in a society that says it's the other way around.
• 13:50
  Jenny Calcoen: It's, you only have value when you show certain things on the outside like it's a successful job, it's a successful career, it's the house you live in, the car you drive, where your kids go to school, any and all of those even how busy we are sometimes is a status symbol.
• 14:12
  Jenny Calcoen: So we, literally live in a world that says we don't have any inherent value.
• 14:18
  Jenny Calcoen: The only value that you have is what you manifest on the outside.
• 14:22
  Jenny Calcoen: And that's simply not true.
• 14:24
  Jenny Calcoen: And when we go back to knowing who we are and knowing that we have choices in life, it changes everything because that's the moment.
• 14:35
  Jenny Calcoen: What not just the first step of that is becoming aware of that dynamic, but when we really feel that when we really embody that, we will never again negotiate our value with anyone.
• 14:51
  Jenny Calcoen: And that is the strength that is, I think, the opportunity, especially that women in midlife have.
• 15:00
  Jenny Calcoen: There's just a level of wisdom, a level of knowledge, like we know stuff.
• 15:07
  Jenny Calcoen: We are wise women.
• 15:08
  Jenny Calcoen: We've lived like 40, 50 years, 60 years.
• 15:13
  Jenny Calcoen: We know stuff and we stand in our power and we're not going to negotiate that with anyone anymore.
• 15:20
  Jenny Calcoen: And I just see it as my job to get my clients back to that point where they see themselves, where they reconnect with that essence of themselves within, because we already have everything we need.
• 15:36
  Jenny Calcoen: And so my job is to let my clients know that they really don't need me and just guide them and walk alongside them up to that point where they just Come home to themselves really is how I would word it.
• 15:51
  Speaker: Oh, beautiful.
• 15:52
  Speaker: Jenny.
• 15:52
  Speaker: Oh my god I love what you said when we realized we never we should never negotiate our values
• 16:00
  Jenny Calcoen: So
• 16:02
  Speaker: powerful and we live a lifetime of where we're always making negotiations or compromise be it Raising a family or in our career path sometimes even making sacrifices or negotiating with friendships, relationships whether the romantic relationships or just friendships with acquaintances.
• 16:24
  Speaker: Yeah, there's ways we were almost born into believing we can negotiate things away.
• 16:31
  Speaker: We can give things away if that means balancing our environment.
• 16:36
  Speaker: But then we
• 16:37
  Jenny Calcoen: get to that tipping point.
• 16:38
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah.
• 16:39
  Jenny Calcoen: And if we are lucky enough to, to age it's not, I know that a lot of people have a problem with aging, but I am grateful that I get to wake up another morning.
• 16:53
  Jenny Calcoen: If we get to this stage in life, I think, It's really important that we come back to that pure essence within ourselves, and that is what you don't negotiate you, you can, we live in a world that is constantly telling, especially women, and there's a version for men as well, but I'm talking about the version for women that says you are not enough, and it goes from your eyelashes are not enough.
• 17:21
  Jenny Calcoen: To the way your legs look or not enough to how much you weigh is not good enough and those may all be things that you look at, but my, my invitation is to look at them as not as.
• 17:38
  Jenny Calcoen: Am I valuable?
• 17:39
  Jenny Calcoen: Am I enough?
• 17:40
  Jenny Calcoen: But am I living in integrity with my values?
• 17:44
  Jenny Calcoen: If I want a healthy body, this is what that looks like to me.
• 17:47
  Jenny Calcoen: If I want to live a healthy life, this is what that looks like to me.
• 17:51
  Jenny Calcoen: Don't be dictated to by this external world who that doesn't necessarily have your wellbeing, at, at all.
• 18:01
  Jenny Calcoen: At heart, right?
• 18:02
  Jenny Calcoen: That doesn't have your well being in mind, I should say.
• 18:05
  Jenny Calcoen: Only you know what is right for you.
• 18:08
  Jenny Calcoen: And so I invite my clients to create a life, especially when they go through a big transition, to create a life that is in alignment with their own values.
• 18:19
  Jenny Calcoen: And yes, I can lead them through.
• 18:21
  Jenny Calcoen: Certain steps that have to do with not just becoming aware of these dynamics, but also creating moments of pause in their lives so that they actually have time to choose how they respond rather than react out of habit to situations.
• 18:40
  Jenny Calcoen: So there's different things that we can do, but ultimately where you get to is.
• 18:46
  Jenny Calcoen: This is my life.
• 18:47
  Jenny Calcoen: This is my essence.
• 18:49
  Jenny Calcoen: And I'm not going to negotiate that with anybody.
• 18:53
  Jenny Calcoen: That's amazing.
• 18:55
  Speaker: That inner knowing piece, like you said, be the bill, the ability to stop and recognize how we can react in a situation.
• 19:07
  Speaker: And I, in my personal experience, very reactive when I was younger, ready to just respond to the first emotion that came up for the first thought.
• 19:17
  Speaker: And I hung on that.
• 19:18
  Speaker: And I let that dictate how it was going to not only react, behave, but that behavior becomes habitual.
• 19:25
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah.
• 19:26
  Speaker: Oh, but breaking down habits.
• 19:28
  Speaker: Okay.
• 19:28
  Speaker: There's inner knowing is one thing, but then there's that breaking down that habit so that, that old thought pattern doesn't take over and we can actually step into something on it.
• 19:39
  Speaker: Grateful or more gracious way of living with grace and
• 19:44
  Jenny Calcoen: how do you get them there though?
• 19:46
  Jenny Calcoen: I believe very much in in order to get rid of the darkness, you don't need to, not through, if you go through therapy, you might look at what that darkness consists of and how you got into that darkness.
• 20:02
  Jenny Calcoen: But to me, in the stages that I work with clients and I am not a therapist, I am looking at what is next.
• 20:10
  Jenny Calcoen: And so I am not looking at what got you here.
• 20:14
  Jenny Calcoen: Why is it so dark in here?
• 20:16
  Jenny Calcoen: Our job is really only to switch the light on, right?
• 20:20
  Jenny Calcoen: So it's really about what can you add into your life?
• 20:24
  Jenny Calcoen: Not that you have to discipline yourself or have judgmental self talk about, Oh, you forgot again and you reacted again.
• 20:33
  Jenny Calcoen: It's no, it's an observation.
• 20:35
  Jenny Calcoen: Oh, okay.
• 20:36
  Jenny Calcoen: I'm seeing, I did that thing again.
• 20:38
  Jenny Calcoen: Okay.
• 20:38
  Jenny Calcoen: Okay.
• 20:39
  Jenny Calcoen: How can I cultivate awareness around that?
• 20:42
  Jenny Calcoen: How can I have more moments where I'm not on autopilot, right?
• 20:46
  Jenny Calcoen: Autopilot is very useful when you're driving your car from A to B and you don't have to remember every single time, you automatically put your indicators on and know when to put your foot on the gas pedal and when to break.
• 21:01
  Jenny Calcoen: And luckily we can do that.
• 21:03
  Jenny Calcoen: pretty much on autopilot, but it's not a great thing when you do that for your life, when your life is on autopilot.
• 21:10
  Jenny Calcoen: And that is characterized by, Oh it's the 4th of July already.
• 21:15
  Jenny Calcoen: Oh, it's the end of summer.
• 21:17
  Jenny Calcoen: Oh, we're changing the clocks again.
• 21:19
  Jenny Calcoen: Oh, it's the end of the year.
• 21:20
  Jenny Calcoen: And time just seems to pass by.
• 21:23
  Jenny Calcoen: So what can we do on a day to day basis where we are more present to our own lives?
• 21:30
  Jenny Calcoen: Because this is it, right?
• 21:32
  Jenny Calcoen: We're not racing towards something.
• 21:35
  Jenny Calcoen: What are we racing towards something?
• 21:37
  Jenny Calcoen: It's really about being present.
• 21:39
  Jenny Calcoen: in as many moments as we possibly can.
• 21:42
  Jenny Calcoen: So how do we cultivate that?
• 21:45
  Speaker: And so how do we cultivate that?
• 21:49
  Speaker: But you did allude to some superpower strength that you do.
• 21:54
  Jenny Calcoen: Can you share with us?
• 21:55
  Jenny Calcoen: I definitely use Mindfulness.
• 21:58
  Jenny Calcoen: I teach mindfulness and I also teach particular feminine presence practices because we are women and the way we connect with our bodies and the way we connect with the earth is different from, let's say, how people who identify as male connect.
• 22:19
  Jenny Calcoen: right to their center.
• 22:21
  Jenny Calcoen: So we go into that because that is the best way that I know that we have discovered to be present in every moment is to actually be in your body.
• 22:33
  Jenny Calcoen: And so that is, It seems very logical.
• 22:37
  Jenny Calcoen: It seems like it might be a really easy thing to do.
• 22:40
  Jenny Calcoen: And yet it isn't.
• 22:41
  Jenny Calcoen: How many times do we get lost in our thoughts?
• 22:44
  Jenny Calcoen: We're ruminating, we're catastrophizing.
• 22:48
  Jenny Calcoen: So that's a very important piece is to keep coming back to the body.
• 22:52
  Jenny Calcoen: And that's not always an easy thing.
• 22:56
  Jenny Calcoen: We spend a lot of time in our heads.
• 22:58
  Jenny Calcoen: And again, we live in a society that prioritizes.
• 23:02
  Jenny Calcoen: that is in love really with our minds and our brains and what we can do.
• 23:06
  Jenny Calcoen: And again, very useful, but to be present in this world, the best thing is to just come back into your body.
• 23:13
  Jenny Calcoen: And it can be as simple as taking literally a moment, And going, my feet are on the ground.
• 23:23
  Jenny Calcoen: My bum is in my seat where my hands, they might be in my lap.
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  Jenny Calcoen: They might be alongside my body and simply taking a breath and feeling that and feeling how your entire body moves with your breath.
• 23:38
  Jenny Calcoen: Your body is moved by your breath.
• 23:40
  Jenny Calcoen: That's it.
• 23:41
  Jenny Calcoen: That's a moment of presence, right?
• 23:44
  Jenny Calcoen: So that is definitely one of the, one of the key things that, that I would say I teach.
• 23:51
  Jenny Calcoen: And now you work with
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  Speaker: both individuals and corporations.
• 23:56
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: How do you integrate or work with a corporation to integrate these mindfulness practices in an environment that quite often can be very go, and there's less feminine energy and there's more of that masculine, get it done, constructive scheduled, very structured kind of environment.
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  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah.
• 24:17
  Jenny Calcoen: Very often.
• 24:18
  Jenny Calcoen: So what I'll first do when I speak with an organization is we'll literally go through, what is needed?
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  Jenny Calcoen: What are you looking for?
• 24:26
  Jenny Calcoen: Are there any challenges or are, or very often organizations just really want to tick off a box as well.
• 24:32
  Jenny Calcoen: Oh, we just need to offer something to say that we've offered it.
• 24:36
  Jenny Calcoen: And that's fine.
• 24:37
  Jenny Calcoen: I'm happy with that too.
• 24:40
  Jenny Calcoen: And then I'll look at what interventions I can offer and in turn.
• 24:43
  Jenny Calcoen: In terms of, for example, mindfulness interventions.
• 24:47
  Jenny Calcoen: The research is there it's whether you look at, the impact on the bottom line when you look at the impact on retention, the impact on team dynamics and communication.
• 25:01
  Jenny Calcoen: It's all there.
• 25:02
  Jenny Calcoen: We have a lot of research about what mindfulness can do in teams and in organizations.
• 25:08
  Jenny Calcoen: So that's a relatively easy yeah, I call it an intervention that organizations will happily start with.
• 25:17
  Jenny Calcoen: And I will do anything that is needed, right?
• 25:20
  Jenny Calcoen: If they say we can invite people four weeks in a row, half an hour, at lunchtime, and we'll open it up to whoever wants to sign up.
• 25:27
  Jenny Calcoen: Okay, fine.
• 25:28
  Jenny Calcoen: We can do that.
• 25:28
  Jenny Calcoen: If you want to do something more in depth, that is, let's say eight weeks and you're paying people to come to this mindfulness class two hours a week, I can certainly do that too, right?
• 25:41
  Jenny Calcoen: It really depends what organizations want, but it's, the research is already there.
• 25:46
  Jenny Calcoen: There's no convincing really to do anymore.
• 25:50
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah, so that is the easiest intervention.
• 25:53
  Jenny Calcoen: And so for me, having come out of 26 years of corporate, I quite like to know that I'm ticking all the corporate boxes, but really What is happening is that this makes a difference in an individual's life, right?
• 26:08
  Jenny Calcoen: It's not just that they might be more efficient at work, but this is something that they have in their lives.
• 26:14
  Jenny Calcoen: Now, they have a new tool in their toolkit and it can help them at home.
• 26:19
  Jenny Calcoen: It can help.
• 26:20
  Jenny Calcoen: Them and in their own lives every day.
• 26:23
  Jenny Calcoen: So I'm happy to do that anytime.
• 26:27
  Speaker: When you work with corporations, is that where you find a lot of your one on one clients is when you've stepped into a corporation to work with them.
• 26:34
  Speaker: And a lot of the women might come to you on the side and say, Hey, can I work with you some more?
• 26:39
  Jenny Calcoen: Yes but not necessarily, that's not the only way that my one-on-one clients come to me, so they come to me mostly by referral or word of mouth.
• 26:48
  Jenny Calcoen: So I'm, very lucky that way.
• 26:51
  Speaker: And I would imagine by the time they have found you, there's no resistance to do the work.
• 26:56
  Speaker: They've obviously at, as the saying goes, when the student is ready, the teacher will come.
• 27:01
  Speaker: they obviously are ready to make this transformation.
• 27:03
  Jenny Calcoen: Of course, I speak to women who are ready and women who aren't right.
• 27:07
  Jenny Calcoen: And so I'm always happy to have a conversation just to see, where somebody is, because sometimes it's just about me telling them about a resource and they might not necessarily be ready to work with Somebody, I never work with somebody one on one less than six months, so they might not be ready for that.
• 27:28
  Jenny Calcoen: They might choose to go into therapy first, which, of course, is a completely different modality.
• 27:36
  Jenny Calcoen: I also work with women who are going.
• 27:40
  Jenny Calcoen: to therapy and want to work with me.
• 27:42
  Jenny Calcoen: So it's important that I know about that and that I can let their therapist know, this is what we're going to do just to make sure that everybody is on the same page.
• 27:52
  Jenny Calcoen: So yeah.
• 27:54
  Speaker: I've heard it explained before that the therapist does that, that deep healing work by opening a Pandora's box, if you will, and going back into the root cause or unpacking some of the things that were never properly dealt with and helping.
• 28:07
  Speaker: Unravel them so that there is a brighter, more healthy, but I've also heard that when you work with a coach alongside a therapist, the coach does more of the cheerleader in the corner, just bringing you on the whole way.
• 28:24
  Speaker: And then just a little extra nudge, not just Hey, remember this now.
• 28:28
  Speaker: Whereas sometimes the therapy board can be quite heavy.
• 28:32
  Speaker: The coaching can be quite.
• 28:34
  Speaker: Explorative and fitting in that regard, I
• 28:37
  Jenny Calcoen: would find.
• 28:37
  Jenny Calcoen: Am I right on that?
• 28:39
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah, I think so.
• 28:41
  Jenny Calcoen: I like to see myself as a guide on the side.
• 28:43
  Jenny Calcoen: And I have the privilege of being there for moments when people find themselves again.
• 28:52
  Jenny Calcoen: That's really a privilege to be around that.
• 28:55
  Jenny Calcoen: And I'm always guided by what my clients need.
• 29:00
  Jenny Calcoen: And I know for sure that what they need is a safe place, a nonjudgmental space.
• 29:08
  Jenny Calcoen: I know that when I've gone through big transitions, I've had loving and caring people around me, friends.
• 29:16
  Jenny Calcoen: And they've had advice for me or resources for me, and it wasn't always helpful.
• 29:23
  Jenny Calcoen: And sometimes it was just more overwhelming.
• 29:25
  Jenny Calcoen: And it might cause me to then edit myself when I spoke to that person, because I didn't necessarily want to hear, their opinion or so.
• 29:35
  Jenny Calcoen: I know that's what I provide for my clients.
• 29:37
  Jenny Calcoen: It's just that.
• 29:39
  Jenny Calcoen: neutral.
• 29:41
  Jenny Calcoen: And in fact, I'm not just a neutral space.
• 29:43
  Jenny Calcoen: Like I'm in your corner.
• 29:45
  Jenny Calcoen: We're only going to do what you feel is good for you.
• 29:48
  Jenny Calcoen: We're going to experiment with new ways of being only when you are okay with it.
• 29:54
  Jenny Calcoen: And so of course I encourage people to be slightly outside of their comfort zone.
• 30:00
  Jenny Calcoen: It's not my job to throw them off a cliff and say let's just see how you do right.
• 30:05
  Jenny Calcoen: That is not that is not how I work, if we push a little bit on that edge of the comfort zone, it's let's just see what happens when we do that.
• 30:13
  Jenny Calcoen: So that's how I see myself more like a gentle nudge.
• 30:17
  Jenny Calcoen: I'm your, definitely your fan in your corner.
• 30:20
  Jenny Calcoen: And we will go at your pace.
• 30:24
  Jenny Calcoen: And they're still in control and driving the ship.
• 30:26
  Jenny Calcoen: Yes.
• 30:27
  Jenny Calcoen: Yes.
• 30:28
  Jenny Calcoen: They're driving
• 30:28
  Speaker: the bus.
• 30:29
  Speaker: They're in charge.
• 30:30
  Speaker: So in your website, I love that you talk about cultivating a magnetic presence.
• 30:36
  Speaker: What does that mean to build to cultivate a magnetic presence and how does that help your clients help women, both in their personal and professional life.
• 30:48
  Jenny Calcoen: So I think presence is like, it's such a big topic, but I will say, we all know when we walk into a room, whether we're walking in with 100 percent confidence and knowing that we are allowed to take up space and we are allowed to speak and we are allowed to be there versus nobody else's.
• 31:14
  Jenny Calcoen: Okay.
• 31:14
  Jenny Calcoen: walking into a room and thinking, gosh, I hope nobody looks at me because I'm wearing this thing that I don't feel comfortable in and whatever the circumstances might be.
• 31:25
  Jenny Calcoen: So we know that difference, right?
• 31:27
  Jenny Calcoen: And so that is what I call magnetic presence.
• 31:30
  Jenny Calcoen: So what is the role of magnetic presence in your life?
• 31:34
  Jenny Calcoen: It's you can see how that influences People around you, right?
• 31:41
  Jenny Calcoen: It influences how visible you are or how invisible you are.
• 31:46
  Jenny Calcoen: And so it's okay to turn that on and off, but women have a tendency to turn our we turn our presence off a lot.
• 31:53
  Jenny Calcoen: Or want to tone it down, not to draw any attention to ourselves.
• 31:57
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah, that's right.
• 31:58
  Jenny Calcoen: Mostly because we've learned that drawing attention and being visible is not safe and whatever that means, our definition of safe, whether it's psychologically or literally physically safe.
• 32:10
  Jenny Calcoen: So there's many dimensions to it.
• 32:13
  Jenny Calcoen: But so this is how I.
• 32:14
  Jenny Calcoen: Teach about magnetic presence.
• 32:16
  Jenny Calcoen: It's like how can it work for you?
• 32:19
  Jenny Calcoen: Because how do, how people experience you is based on your presence, right?
• 32:25
  Jenny Calcoen: So you all know if you're in line in the supermarket or at the bank or wherever you can feel when somebody is too close to you when they're in your space, right?
• 32:36
  Jenny Calcoen: So this is how we experience ourselves.
• 32:39
  Jenny Calcoen: Like, where is my own space?
• 32:41
  Jenny Calcoen: Where is, Somebody else's space and how can I use that to my advantage, right?
• 32:48
  Jenny Calcoen: How can I use that when I need it, when I need it most?
• 32:53
  Jenny Calcoen: How can I, and so it's fun to play with that very often.
• 32:56
  Jenny Calcoen: It's the first time that women become aware of it.
• 32:59
  Jenny Calcoen: Like we do little, little practices and they get to play with it and they get to go out for a week and play with Oh how big is my presence?
• 33:08
  Jenny Calcoen: Is it out here, like right alongside my body or like, where do I find my energy feel like?
• 33:14
  Jenny Calcoen: Is it maybe, at arm's length?
• 33:17
  Jenny Calcoen: So these are just things that again, we do to cultivate awareness because once you become aware of something, you have choices.
• 33:26
  Jenny Calcoen: And we're all about choices.
• 33:29
  Speaker: Oh, good.
• 33:31
  Speaker: Definitely.
• 33:32
  Speaker: We hear it all the time.
• 33:33
  Speaker: The law of attraction, like attracts, like magnetic energy.
• 33:37
  Speaker: When you expand at a higher vibration, you start vibrating at the same frequency as those who are like minded.
• 33:44
  Speaker: You start vibrating at a frequency that brings abundance, whether it's wealth, happiness, love, financial abundance.
• 33:53
  Speaker: And so is this sort of that little work, the work or the The challenges you give your clients to see if that's working for them.
• 34:01
  Speaker: And when they come back and report, are you hearing some amazing
• 34:05
  Jenny Calcoen: success stories?
• 34:06
  Jenny Calcoen: Yes, definitely.
• 34:07
  Jenny Calcoen: And not to, it's never one thing, but you can imagine.
• 34:14
  Jenny Calcoen: What being present in your own life, what consequences that has, whether, whether you go into an office or you have a business or you're negotiating something or just even with your children or with your family presence is such a key.
• 34:33
  Jenny Calcoen: A key factor in all of that.
• 34:36
  Jenny Calcoen: Like I, I don't know if you've ever had the experience, but I certainly have.
• 34:41
  Jenny Calcoen: I know that I have a look that when I give someone the look, I know they're not going to approach me.
• 34:46
  Jenny Calcoen: Like it's my look of I'm just not in the mood.
• 34:49
  Jenny Calcoen: It's like usually on an airplane.
• 34:51
  Jenny Calcoen: If I'm sitting next to a stranger, it's I might have a, I might have a look and a presence about me that says, I'm just not in the mood to speak.
• 34:59
  Jenny Calcoen: To talk and usually people pick up on that and if they don't, I will happily say I'm, I'm just gonna try and read my book, that's what I'm going to do on this flight.
• 35:12
  Jenny Calcoen: So there's little examples like that people will literally come back and say, Oh my God, you'll never believe what happened.
• 35:18
  Jenny Calcoen: Like I was experimenting with my presence and I was imagining this person was standing too close to me and all of a sudden they backed up and it's fun.
• 35:28
  Jenny Calcoen: It's, and so how can that be a tool in your toolbox, right?
• 35:33
  Speaker: Yes.
• 35:34
  Speaker: And on the flip side, have you had someone come back and say, I was experimenting with attracting somebody closer to me in my presence and see if they're picking up on me?
• 35:42
  Speaker: Have you had anyone share an extra?
• 35:47
  Jenny Calcoen: I've had people talk about being on stages or Also by getting promotions, which they felt was really about holding themselves in inside their sort of energy bubble and not ceding space and not, taking up space and not going along with Oh, now I'm supposed to say something because I'm supposed to fill up empty space because nobody's talking.
• 36:14
  Jenny Calcoen: And when you feel confident within your own personal space, it literally affects how you speak, right?
• 36:22
  Jenny Calcoen: And how people are attracted to you.
• 36:24
  Jenny Calcoen: So I literally have had clients tell me about getting promotions because they felt like they were really present with themselves and they didn't feel the need to.
• 36:35
  Jenny Calcoen: Impress someone or keep on talking nervously.
• 36:39
  Jenny Calcoen: And I've had people talk about being on stage and using these practices.
• 36:45
  Jenny Calcoen: And having more people or less people, depending on how they were feeling, come up to them afterwards and ask them about things.
• 36:52
  Jenny Calcoen: I've had that experience myself.
• 36:55
  Jenny Calcoen: So yeah, it's very powerful.
• 36:58
  Jenny Calcoen: Yes.
• 37:00
  Speaker: I'm I want to go back to one of the things that you said, because I find that quite fascinating, particularly when it relates to the energy work and the feminine and the masculine.
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  Speaker: And when you said one of the practices you teach and coach is to embody the feminine side.
• 37:17
  Speaker: And that can conjure up all kinds of ideas for the listeners, but what are some of the techniques?
• 37:22
  Speaker: What would be one to just really embody feminism?
• 37:28
  Speaker: To a way that helps us will cultivate that awareness in that magnetic.
• 37:34
  Jenny Calcoen: I think what is a key practice for people who identify as female is to connect with your womb space.
• 37:43
  Jenny Calcoen: And it's not about that organ, right?
• 37:46
  Jenny Calcoen: It's, you can call it the, the Dantian point, which is two inches below your navel.
• 37:52
  Jenny Calcoen: But it's really important for women to connect to that space because that is also our connection to the earth, right?
• 38:01
  Jenny Calcoen: To mother earth or how, whatever you call it.
• 38:05
  Jenny Calcoen: It's that grounded presence.
• 38:08
  Jenny Calcoen: It's, you don't need to You don't really need anything else when you're grounded.
• 38:14
  Jenny Calcoen: And so that is definitely a technique that I teach that is foundational to women is to connect with womb space to come out of our heads, descend into our womb space and connect to earth.
• 38:29
  Jenny Calcoen: And you can do that to, to music.
• 38:32
  Jenny Calcoen: You can do that.
• 38:34
  Jenny Calcoen: Rhythmically move your body along with music, like drum music, for example, is very grounding.
• 38:42
  Jenny Calcoen: So these are things that we get into, as we go, as my clients go along the journey.
• 38:48
  Jenny Calcoen: And it's really all about what they're comfortable with.
• 38:51
  Jenny Calcoen: If this is not something they're comfortable with, we will talk about it in different ways, but generally this is a technique that I teach.
• 38:59
  Speaker: That's beautiful.
• 39:00
  Speaker: I'm grinning from ear to ear.
• 39:02
  Speaker: The listeners can see me.
• 39:03
  Speaker: I'm so elated with what you have to say because it just further endorses a method of yoga that I love to teach, and I did my teacher training in it, and it's primal flow, and it is all about tapping into the feminine and the masculine, and the feminine, the light, the nurturing, the airy, the dancey, the flowy, but balancing it out With the masculine side, which does want to be more firmly rooted on the earth and stomping or drumming and we do that, there's one pinnacle point in the yoga session, it could be 60 minutes, 45, 75 minutes.
• 39:44
  Speaker: But when we get to that pinnacle moment, where are you?
• 39:47
  Speaker: I invite them just to let loose and they can't debate it because it's yoga class.
• 39:51
  Speaker: They can come back later on and discuss it with me.
• 39:54
  Speaker: But when I'm there, I'm just like, are you feeling light and flowy and feminine?
• 39:59
  Speaker: Or do you want to stomp and ground and feel grounded?
• 40:02
  Speaker: And I.
• 40:04
  Speaker: Just I get silly on the mat.
• 40:05
  Speaker: And I think that invites them to be too.
• 40:08
  Speaker: And I find that yoga is just one of those, like dance or any other movement of the body allows us to let go of any inhibitions and judgment to be present, as you say.
• 40:20
  Speaker: But I like the fact that we talked about that because in order to feel or to nurture that feminine side.
• 40:29
  Speaker: Got to work on that masculine side to let the feminine out.
• 40:34
  Jenny Calcoen: It's all about the balance.
• 40:35
  Jenny Calcoen: It's not about one thing is better than the other one way, or this isn't about we're against men or against the masculine.
• 40:44
  Jenny Calcoen: The point is that we all need to find that balance within ourselves.
• 40:48
  Jenny Calcoen: And it's just the access point is different maybe for people who identify as male or people who identify as female.
• 40:56
  Jenny Calcoen: So it's.
• 40:56
  Jenny Calcoen: It's what I think we're all trying to do the same thing.
• 41:00
  Jenny Calcoen: It's just that I choose to work with women in a particular way.
• 41:03
  Jenny Calcoen: And if I was working with men, I would probably do it in a slightly different way, but we would still be in a way doing the same work.
• 41:11
  Jenny Calcoen: And I know amazing men, colleagues and friends who are doing this work with men.
• 41:16
  Jenny Calcoen: And it's really beautiful to, to observe and to know that.
• 41:21
  Jenny Calcoen: That we are all out there trying to do the best that we can really that's.
• 41:26
  Jenny Calcoen: That's the best that we can do, right?
• 41:29
  Jenny Calcoen: Is every day, do you feel like you're doing the best that you can?
• 41:33
  Jenny Calcoen: And when there are days that you feel like maybe this wasn't a skillful day, that's okay.
• 41:40
  Jenny Calcoen: We can look at it.
• 41:42
  Jenny Calcoen: We can learn from it and we can just try to do better.
• 41:45
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah.
• 41:46
  Speaker: And I bet your gratitude plays a role in there too,
• 41:48
  Jenny Calcoen: no
• 41:49
  Speaker: matter what we've achieved, it's just, I'm still grateful.
• 41:52
  Speaker: I'm still absolutely.
• 41:54
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 41:54
  Speaker: And then there's always tomorrow, but you're right.
• 41:57
  Speaker: I'm glad you touched on that.
• 41:58
  Speaker: The balance that those two energy centers exist within everybody.
• 42:02
  Speaker: And it's certain degree, and it's not necessarily male female.
• 42:05
  Speaker: It's, the yin, the yang, as we hear yoga, the dark, the light the hot, the cool.
• 42:12
  Speaker: Yes.
• 42:13
  Speaker: Yes.
• 42:14
  Speaker: This has been delightful, but I always like to ask my guests, what book are they reading or what book is your favorite?
• 42:21
  Speaker: Would you recommend?
• 42:22
  Speaker: And what does that say about you?
• 42:25
  Jenny Calcoen: Since we are talking about all things menopausal in the last month, this book has come out called the new menopause.
• 42:37
  Jenny Calcoen: Dr.
• 42:38
  Jenny Calcoen: Mary Claire Haver.
• 42:40
  Jenny Calcoen: Yes, that's right.
• 42:41
  Jenny Calcoen: And so a friend told me about the book.
• 42:44
  Jenny Calcoen: I read it.
• 42:45
  Jenny Calcoen: I was just so impressed with it.
• 42:47
  Jenny Calcoen: It has all the latest research.
• 42:49
  Jenny Calcoen: It has all the discussion points that you might need to speak with your doctor.
• 42:54
  Jenny Calcoen: It has all the different Options for you, whether you choose to go down the road of hormone therapy or whether that's even a choice for you, but your particular health history or not.
• 43:06
  Jenny Calcoen: It's just such a comprehensive book.
• 43:09
  Jenny Calcoen: It's so filled with good information that literally for the last month, I have been telling every woman I know about it.
• 43:16
  Jenny Calcoen: I feel like every woman, let's say 35 and over should read the book.
• 43:21
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah.
• 43:24
  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah and also just to reemphasize that menopause is not like this big dark hole where horrible things happen.
• 43:33
  Jenny Calcoen: It's really just a, an a different type of awakening.
• 43:38
  Jenny Calcoen: And so I think it's really useful for women, let's say 35 and older who, who have this.
• 43:45
  Jenny Calcoen: this journey that is still coming to them.
• 43:47
  Jenny Calcoen: And so it's really, I think, helpful to be informed about things to maybe start looking out for.
• 43:54
  Jenny Calcoen: Because I certainly discovered that even though physically and identifiably I started perimenopause a couple of years ago, it was probably a few more years than that.
• 44:07
  Jenny Calcoen: I just didn't know Exactly the different symptoms that could come up or different things that could start happening many years before you actually, get to that stage.
• 44:19
  Jenny Calcoen: Yes, that's the book, the New Menopause by Mary Claire Aver.
• 44:23
  Speaker: I'm glad you mentioned that.
• 44:25
  Speaker: I have just been pushing that book so hard, sharing that with the clients that I work with.
• 44:30
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 44:30
  Speaker: Taking excerpts outta the book and I said, look, it, it breaks down every symptom and they have options.
• 44:40
  Jenny Calcoen: You can't see it, but I literally have a gazillion post its in, in the physical books.
• 44:45
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker: That book is causing its own earthquake.
• 44:48
  Speaker: Let me tell you.
• 44:49
  Speaker: And I love it is, it truly is an awakening.
• 44:53
  Speaker: And the coaches are there like yourself, Jenny, to help people awaken, to open their eyes, step into the power, to use some of the terminology you used earlier on tapping into that.
• 45:05
  Speaker: inner knowing and know that we have a choice.
• 45:08
  Speaker: We think we know it up here in our head.
• 45:10
  Speaker: Okay, I know what I need to do.
• 45:11
  Speaker: And now I've read the book or have the book.
• 45:15
  Speaker: It's that cheerleader, that guy that's That individual in your corner saying, okay, let's, you've got, let's go and do it.
• 45:23
  Speaker: And so on that note, a couple of things, what is what you've talked about a lot, but what would be one thing that our listeners could take away from you right now in this moment, if they just wanted one tiny piece of information, just to get them out of whatever emotional upheaval earthquake they might be feeling in the moment.
• 45:42
  Jenny Calcoen: I would say.
• 45:44
  Jenny Calcoen: Simply trust yourself through no fault of our own.
• 45:48
  Jenny Calcoen: We sometimes lose that connection and really it's all about trusting yourself.
• 45:54
  Jenny Calcoen: You don't need to take everybody's advice do things that just don't feel comfortable, trust yourself.
• 46:02
  Jenny Calcoen: You already know everything you need.
• 46:06
  Jenny Calcoen: It's already there.
• 46:08
  Jenny Calcoen: Just trust yourself.
• 46:10
  Jenny Calcoen: That's so
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  Speaker: beautiful.
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  Speaker: Can our listeners find you in case they need you and they're in their corner to root them on.
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  Jenny Calcoen: Yeah.
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  Jenny Calcoen: You can find me on my website, which is my name, Jenny calcone.
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  Jenny Calcoen: com or on LinkedIn as well.
• 46:26
  Jenny Calcoen: You can send me a message and I'm always happy to have a conversation,
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  Speaker: Denny Calhoun, It has been a delight to have you on the show.
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  Speaker: I am excited to share your story with our listeners.
• 46:39
  Speaker: great episode.
• 46:45
  Mary Lee: Thank you for tuning in to another insightful episode of All Things Menopausal.
• 46:50
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• 46:58
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• 47:17
  Mary Lee: Your feedback helps reach more women who can benefit from these conversations.
• 47:22
  Mary Lee: until next time, stay empowered, stay informed and embrace the beauty of your menopausal journey.
• 47:28
  Mary Lee: Remember midlife should be the best life and it will be.
• 47:33
  Mary Lee: Namaste.