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158. The Alex Cooper Effect - The Controversial Woman That Lit A Fire Inside Us 🔥 · She Rises with Ashy & Tijana

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Speaker 1: Apoche Production.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the She Rises Podcast. I'm Ashy and I'm Tiana.
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Speaker 3: This podcast is about female empowerment and encouraging you to
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Speaker 3: be your biggest, boldest, and most authentic version of yourself.
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Speaker 2: We'd help you shed the shame, grow to new level.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna laugh, cry, and talk about the topics everyone
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Speaker 2: else is too afraid to talk about.
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Speaker 3: Get ready for your next level of self Welcome back
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Speaker 3: to She Rises from your favorite podcasts. We hope a hope,
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Speaker 3: we know we have an epic conversation we want to
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Speaker 3: have today around the Alexandra Cooper effect. This is somebody
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Speaker 3: who's big in the podcast world, big in the podcast industry.
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Speaker 3: She is a pioneer in the field and we just
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Speaker 3: absolutely love her and we want to talk about her
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Speaker 3: like insatiable drive, polarizing power, and the freedom to be yourself.
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Speaker 2: She is one incredible woman and I already like looked
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Speaker 2: up to her because she's obviously the number one female
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Speaker 2: podcast in the world. The guests she gets on there
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Speaker 2: are insane. Literally every celebrity, every person wants to be
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Speaker 2: on her podcast. She's super successful. The contract she got
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Speaker 2: from Spotify absolutely amazing.
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Speaker 1: She's killing it. The co lab.
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Speaker 2: She gets like she's a powerhouse for sure. But the
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Speaker 2: thing I always loved about her and I love even
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Speaker 2: more now after watching her two part documentary series on Netflix.
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Speaker 2: If you haven't watched her, it's called Call Her Alex.
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Speaker 2: She is one hundred percent herself. Yeah, and she gives
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Speaker 2: absolute zero fus what anyone thinks about her.
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Speaker 1: She does.
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Speaker 2: And she originally started talking, like with her best friend
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Speaker 2: on her podcast, about sex, about the blow job she
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Speaker 2: was giving about her sexual stories. She was so open,
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Speaker 2: so rogue, like, if we talked about that, we, oh
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Speaker 2: my gosh, the backlash would get.
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Speaker 1: Oh, actually doesn't care. She doesn't care.
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Speaker 2: And that's how she built her audience. And I believe
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Speaker 2: she built that really strong community because she was so
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Speaker 2: open and vulnerable and she was talking about the things
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Speaker 2: no one else was talking about.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so she was willing to just be honest, yeah,
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Speaker 3: real and authentic about the things that actually happened behind
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Speaker 3: closed doors. When everyone's having those conversations with their girlfriends anyway, yes,
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Speaker 3: but they're just not happening like on a platform like this.
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Speaker 2: And even her mom's a teacher or psychologist, teacher a psychologists,
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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, And even mom and dad are fully
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Speaker 2: supporting there. Like, yeah, she's always been open, she's always
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Speaker 2: been in front of the camera. She's always got a
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Speaker 2: microphone in her hand. She's always been loud, and we've
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Speaker 2: always encouraged her to be all of herself. And she
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Speaker 2: got really bullied in school, but when she go home,
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Speaker 2: she was just free to be herself. And she's got
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Speaker 2: all these videos from when she's younger, just having the
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Speaker 2: microphone and just talking and singing and acting and performing
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Speaker 2: and dancing. And now look at her doing like her
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Speaker 2: dream job, having these live shows and running this podcast.
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Speaker 1: It's just really cool. It's very cool.
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Speaker 3: I think it was cool to watch the documentary and
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Speaker 3: watch the way that she kind of grew up. Like
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Speaker 3: what you said, she was kind of made for the camera,
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Speaker 3: Like she was always directing and putting these little skits together,
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Speaker 3: and like dancing with her friends, and like sitting down
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Speaker 3: in the basement where like her playroom was, and like
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Speaker 3: putting on all these kids and dressing up with her girlfriends.
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Speaker 3: And like her best friend now, who she used to
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Speaker 3: do that with when she was younger. They are working
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Speaker 3: together now. She's her producer now, yes, which is such
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Speaker 3: a cool thing to be able to experience after like
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Speaker 3: fifteen years or twenty years of friendship, to still be
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Speaker 3: so plugged in, to like do what they were doing
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Speaker 3: when they were little, but now on such a larger scale.
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Speaker 1: It's so cool. It really is cool.
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Speaker 2: It was really inspiring for us because there has been
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Speaker 2: some episodes that we have recorded and then not gone
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Speaker 2: ahead with them because of fear, fear of judgment, fear
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Speaker 2: of being canceled, fear of what people think of us,
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Speaker 2: fear of being put into a box, fear of being
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Speaker 2: known for that one particular podcast episode. We had a conversation, hey,
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Speaker 2: because even you as a coach, you're like, oh, I
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Speaker 2: don't want to be known for that. Or no, you said,
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Speaker 2: I'm worried if we talk about this, it'll make other
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Speaker 2: guests not want to come on our podcasts. Yes, And
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Speaker 2: then we watched this, you were like, oh, that kind
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Speaker 2: of squashed that story.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, because she literally.
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Speaker 2: Had anyone and everyone that you can think of goes
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Speaker 2: on her podcast and they do not hesitate no from
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Speaker 2: anything she's talking about. She has not been canceled for
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Speaker 2: any of it. Everyone just wants to be on her
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Speaker 2: podcast to have these authentic conversations where they can be
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Speaker 2: their full selves. And I think that was really inspiring.
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Speaker 3: It was really cool actually because the content that she
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Speaker 3: used to post, which was like like what you mentioned
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Speaker 3: talking about Dixon, like the std sdis sdis and STDs
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Speaker 3: that she.
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Speaker 1: Caught, you know, all the ones that she got.
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Speaker 3: You know, she'd jump on a stage and like scream
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Speaker 3: out like you know, things that happened, you know, back
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Speaker 3: when she was in school or whatever she's doing with
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Speaker 3: boys and like all the things. And I just thought
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Speaker 3: it was so funny because it did it completely squashed
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Speaker 3: the beliefs that I had that you have to be
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Speaker 3: professional and it ought to be taken seriously. And it's
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Speaker 3: so interesting because there is a whole world that is
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Speaker 3: kind of like that, you know, the more professional kind
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Speaker 3: of people and the people who talk more about like
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Speaker 3: business and stuff.
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Speaker 1: Sure like they're in their own kind of box.
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Speaker 3: But then there's this woman who's like this pioneer in
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Speaker 3: her field, and she just comes out of the woodwork.
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Speaker 3: She's talking about sex and this and that, and like
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Speaker 3: people take her seriously. She's fun and playful and big
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Speaker 3: and bold and like isn't afraid of what people will
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Speaker 3: think and Also, she's literally the highest paid podcaster in
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Speaker 3: the world. And it's so interesting because I remember watching
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Speaker 3: it being like, well, that fear is invalid, that belief
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Speaker 3: is like totally squash Now. It was like she had
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Speaker 3: the Vice President of the United States of America on
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Speaker 3: her podcast and like five years ago she talking about
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Speaker 3: Dick on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just find it's so cool.
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Speaker 3: It really helped me remove the limitations that I put
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Speaker 3: on myself around who I need to be. And that
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Speaker 3: kind of came from me having my coaching business and thinking,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, I have to be serious and I
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Speaker 3: have to be coached Tiana, and I have to be
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Speaker 3: professional and sure a certain way. And also that was
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Speaker 3: what I was surrounded by in the quote unquote coaching industry.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm just like fuck that, Like why all of them?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, when I do my coaching videos and I do
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Speaker 3: she rises content, it's like world's part.
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Speaker 1: But I'm like, okay, cool, how can I like bring
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Speaker 1: those together? Yeah, and do whatever authentically feels good for you.
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Speaker 2: And part of your personality is very playful, so playful,
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Speaker 2: it's very silly, it's very sarcastic, it's very unhinged. Yes,
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Speaker 2: it's like, I love that about you. Why would everyone
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Speaker 2: else not love that about you? Yes, and even all
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Speaker 2: the business people that you were just speaking about. They
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Speaker 2: also go on her podcast yeah to talk about business.
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Speaker 2: They do talk about their lives, talk about how they
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Speaker 2: got to where they are, and it doesn't matter anything
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Speaker 2: about Alex's past.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's totally irrelevant.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also cool that highlights to me also
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Speaker 3: is just another piece of evidence of like, Okay, if
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Speaker 3: I'm like this behind closed doors, all these other people
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Speaker 3: who have businesses and who are quote unquote serious have
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Speaker 3: personalities too. They're not fucking boring. They're not walking around
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Speaker 3: being like this is how I actually act all day. No,
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Speaker 3: they're funny, they're humorous, they play they you know, we
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Speaker 3: talk about fucking sex all the time. And oh my god,
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Speaker 3: Like if you heard the way that we spoke when
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Speaker 3: we were together.
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Speaker 1: You would die. Everything is you would die conversations. Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, everything is sexual and at everything.
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Speaker 3: Like, I've never had so much more fun in my life.
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Speaker 2: Literally, it feels so liberating and free just to like
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Speaker 2: say whatever comes out you just it's going to be received.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, you're not going to get canceled.
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Speaker 3: I mean on the podcast maybe but together no, yeah, like, oh,
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Speaker 3: it just it was so inspiring to watch it, feel
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Speaker 3: like it lit a fire up my arms. Yeah, so
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Speaker 3: to speak to watch that because I was just like, fuck,
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Speaker 3: I'm just not thinking big enough.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just cool just to bring more of
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Speaker 2: our personality to the podcast. Yeah, and it is a
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Speaker 2: work in progress. I wouldn't say where where Alex is at. No,
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Speaker 2: we still hesitate. We're still like, oh, should we have
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Speaker 2: said that? Yeah, maybe we'll take that part out and
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Speaker 2: we have to like really sit up and be like, no,
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Speaker 2: that's okay for that to go out.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's okay. People might not like that. We're not
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Speaker 1: here to be liked by everyone.
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Speaker 2: No, we're not here to just be fluffy and everyone go,
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Speaker 2: oh those girls are cute. Yeah, Like we're here to
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Speaker 2: be polarizing. We're here to trigger you. We're here to
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Speaker 2: have the hard conversations. We're here to talk about the
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Speaker 2: things that no one else is talking about or they're
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Speaker 2: talking about closed doors and they're so shameful. But we
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Speaker 2: want to bring it here and be like, it's not
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Speaker 2: that deep, it's okay. We can talk about that. We
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Speaker 2: can talk about that.
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Speaker 3: It's fine, Yeah, it's a fine line with what it
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Speaker 3: is that we bring on here and things like that,
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Speaker 3: because we also we want it to be received in
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Speaker 3: a way that you're able to receive it, you know.
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Speaker 3: And then there's also a lot of pushback, Like people
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Speaker 3: on social media or just in general online are very open.
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Speaker 3: They don't care about what they say this freemom speech,
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Speaker 3: like people just are so fucking unhinged about what it
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Speaker 3: is that they leave comments about and like what they
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Speaker 3: talk about, like, oh my god, like the shit that
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Speaker 3: we've seen in our fucking reviews.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Yeah, it's a lot of projections. Yes,
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Speaker 1: but also that's okay.
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Speaker 3: Yeah again, like what you said, we're not here to
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Speaker 3: be everybody's cup of tea, And it's also okay that, like,
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Speaker 3: there are gonna be people who don't like us, but
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Speaker 3: I don't feel like everybody, And.
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Speaker 2: It's not going to stop us doing our thing anyways.
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Speaker 2: If you think it's going to bring us down and
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Speaker 2: you think we're gonna stop talking, we're not.
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Speaker 1: Sorry.
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Speaker 3: Just Gone thousand and two is just starting, like just
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Speaker 3: getting one dart and wait, you know, literally.
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Speaker 1: But it's cool. It's definitely cool. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I've seen a world of change, even just in myself,
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Speaker 3: like speaking to myself, a world of change in myself
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Speaker 3: since doing she rises. Yeah, of like how much more
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Speaker 3: comfortable one I feel in myself and to how much
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Speaker 3: more willing I am to talk about things vulnerably, especially
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Speaker 3: like with so many people listening. Yeah, you know, sometimes
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Speaker 3: I forget some of the shit that I share.
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Speaker 1: I know, listen back, We're like, wow, we went there.
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Speaker 3: Wow, there was this Oh my god, this one episode.
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Speaker 1: It was a really rogue episode. It's very sexual. It
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Speaker 1: was very sexual, very unhinged. We think at the first
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Speaker 1: minute we spoke about I don't know.
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Speaker 3: It was honestly forty like forty five seconds in and
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Speaker 3: we looked at each other and we.
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Speaker 1: Were like, oh what maybe not.
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Speaker 2: We were horny that day. We were both in the phase
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Speaker 2: about circle.
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Speaker 1: We were. Yeah, we were follicular phase in full swing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's funny. Hey, let should revisit that just for a lull.
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Speaker 2: We spoke about this in a previous podcast with how
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Speaker 2: private Steve is as a person. Otherwise I would be
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Speaker 2: so much more open. Yeah, that's just Something's like, gosh,
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Speaker 2: I would love's talk about that, but I have to
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Speaker 2: respect his privacy as well, Yes, of course, but I
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Speaker 2: share as much as I can on here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just love it.
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Speaker 2: Like I don't want to listen to fluffy podcasts. Yes,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to just hear how the fucking weather
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Speaker 2: is and that you wore a cute out. But on
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Speaker 2: the weekend, tell me your chinal trauma, tell me the
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Speaker 2: depths of your darkness. I want to see how you've
9:37
Speaker 2: got to where you are now.
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Speaker 1: Shed do an episode on that. Yeah, she do a
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Speaker 1: whole episode on that. Definitely. I don't want the fluffy
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Speaker 1: stuff anymore. It's training. It's boring.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, please don't waste my time.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm very efficient. I'm going to move things fast.
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Speaker 2: You know. What I also loved about her is just
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Speaker 2: that insatiable drive that she has.
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Speaker 1: She still edits all of her podcasts.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: She has a big team that helped like direct it
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Speaker 2: and help her come up with the content and like
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Speaker 2: do the questions and everything, and like she practice what
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Speaker 2: she going to say. She's very prepared, but she is
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Speaker 2: so hands on every single thing that she does, and
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Speaker 2: even the way that she speaks to her team is
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Speaker 2: so beautiful, Like she's a real powerhouse businesswoman. She is
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Speaker 2: where she handled a lot of situations in that documentary
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Speaker 2: that were quite tricky and uncomfortable. She's had like a boss,
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Speaker 2: You're an epic human so hard working people could just
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Speaker 2: look on the outside and see this like quote unquote
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Speaker 2: like blonde, young girl. But she is incredibly smart, oh,
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Speaker 2: incredibly driven, and very good at what she does.
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Speaker 3: And she intentionally positioned herself in that way. She knew
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Speaker 3: it was going to spark chaos. Yes, she knew it
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Speaker 3: was going to cause a controversy, so she did that intentionally.
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Speaker 3: She even cover member, Yes, the cover photo that when
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Speaker 3: she was still doing the podcast with that other girl,
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Speaker 3: her friends that they were doing it with, she like
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Speaker 3: intentionally made them look like blow up dolls so that
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Speaker 3: she would spark yeah and get more clicks. Absolutely, she's like,
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Speaker 3: my goal of the podcast is for it to be seen.
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Speaker 3: Why would I not do everything in my power to
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Speaker 3: make sure it gets out there? And you know what's interesting,
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Speaker 3: it's like she's created that she blew up right, and
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Speaker 3: now she's had a huge rebrand. She is still so
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Speaker 3: and sexual and talks about all the things, and she
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Speaker 3: also has a really good way of asking her guests
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Speaker 3: those deeper intimate questions too. But in terms of like
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Speaker 3: who she is and how she shows up now she's
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Speaker 3: definitely rebranded. Yeah. Yeah, she's the person who interviews all
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Speaker 3: of the famous people now. Yeah, she has really good
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Speaker 3: conversations as a result, And.
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Speaker 2: I think they're so comfortable opening up about their life
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Speaker 2: and telling their story because Alex.
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Speaker 1: Has done that. She's safe.
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Speaker 2: They're not going to open up to someone that has
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Speaker 2: closed doors and then shares any of their life. Like, oh,
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Speaker 2: she's safe, she's been there, she's done worse than me. Yes,
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Speaker 2: I can talk about my life with you. You're completely safe,
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Speaker 2: like him Kardashing talking on that, she asked her some
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Speaker 2: really hard questions. A lot of people go on there
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Speaker 2: to like tell the divorce stories or just like messy
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Speaker 2: breakups and stuff because they feel safe with her.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's beautiful. We all want more of that. We
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Speaker 1: definitely do. Very cool.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, she is like kind of one of because she's
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Speaker 3: taking lead in terms of like female podcasts. Yes, but
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Speaker 3: it was really cool to witness in her documentary the
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Speaker 3: deals that she was able to she was able to negotiate. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: the first one was a sixty million dollar deal. So
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Speaker 3: I think the first three years of her podcast, she
12:02
Speaker 3: said she made like seventy K with her co host
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Speaker 3: with her podcast host over three years, and then after
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Speaker 3: that it went to like a sixty million dollar deal,
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Speaker 3: and the next one after that was one hundred and
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Speaker 3: twenty five million.
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Speaker 1: US for like a couple of year deal. That is insane, insane?
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Speaker 1: What is that? Does it make her like underneath your rogan?
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Speaker 1: It must be? Yeah? And not.
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Speaker 2: Not only does she have the podcast deal, she now
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Speaker 2: has the Unwell agency where she manages a ton of
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Speaker 2: other podcasts. Now she's been on tour, she has merch
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Speaker 2: Like she's not just dipping her toes in one No
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Speaker 2: One part of the business. Yes, she's making bank on
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Speaker 2: everything that she touches.
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Speaker 3: I remember in the documentary she talks about the merchandise. Yes,
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Speaker 3: and when she did the merchandise, I think they made
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Speaker 3: like millions of dollars just off the merchandise alone.
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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. That's so cool, so freaking cool.
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Speaker 2: And the last thing I want to talk about too,
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Speaker 2: was I really loved how supportive her partner is. It's
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Speaker 2: like he doesn't care what she does, what she says.
12:53
Speaker 2: She literally got on stage, was like I think it
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Speaker 2: was in Chicago.
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Speaker 1: Hello, Chicago, this is the exact town I got my
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Speaker 1: first STD. And he's just on the side, like, you're
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Speaker 1: doing great sweep, he's got the camera out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Like he is so supportive of her being her full self,
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Speaker 2: and that is beautiful because I think most people would
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Speaker 2: feel really uncomfortable that have shame. They get embarrassed, like
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Speaker 2: a couple of your wife's talking about that, and even
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Speaker 2: a mom and dad they ask them like do you
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Speaker 2: get uncomfortable, They're like, oh, no, Alex is being Alex
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Speaker 2: do a thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's loud, she's bold.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: They just let her be who she is, literally, and
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Speaker 1: like everyone's having sex, everyone's doing that. She's talking about it. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you're doing it, so true. Why are you touching her
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Speaker 1: for it? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: And her partner is also her business partner, yes, which
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Speaker 3: is cool. So he helps with everything, the tours, everything,
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Speaker 3: which is really nice. I haven't watched the documentary.
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Speaker 1: Watch it's really Yeah. Let's call her Alex on Netflix. Yes,
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Speaker 1: go and check it out. Yeah cool. All right, guys,
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. We'll see you on Friday.
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Speaker 3: By