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Naked Out Loud: Machan Taylor on Healing Trauma, Finding Her Voice & Starting Over · Bent Not Broken: Starting Over After Divorce | Post Divorce Life

• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: What happens when the world sees your success but doesn't see the struggles you've carried behind the scenes?
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: My guest today, Maton Taylor, knows what it means to live both sides of that story.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: She's an accomplished singer, songwriter, composer, educator, and author whose remarkable career has taken her around the world, performing with legendary artists including Pink Floyd, Sting, Foreigner, Pat Benatar, and Aretha Franklin.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: But behind the music is a deeply personal story of identity, resilience, finding her voice, and learning to embrace every part of who she is.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: In her memoir, Naked Out Loud, Machan pulls back the curtain on that journey.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: And today we're going to talk about the woman behind that incredible voice.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: Machan, welcome to Bent Not Broken.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Great to be here.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: You performed with some of the biggest names in music, but your memoir, Naked Out Loud, reveals a very different story behind the spotlight.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: What was happening in your life that audiences didn't see?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: A lot.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: There was a lot going on.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Tell us about it.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: We're going back in time quite a few years.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so just to give your viewers a little bit of background, I was born in Japan to a Japanese mother and an American father.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: My father was American military.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: He was stationed in Yokohama, Japan, after World War II.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm another generation.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: So my dad was stationed in Yokohama during the occupancy of Japan after the war.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: My mother was a singer, actually, and she after the war she was performing in jazz clubs around the Tokyo area.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: And Yokohama is actually the city right next door to Tokyo.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: And where the army base was, and my mother used to perform in the officers' club.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: And my father just happened to be the manager of the club.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: So that's how my parents met.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Long story short, my father, once he retired from active duty and he was looking for work, he was unable to find a job in Japan.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: So he found a job in New York City.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: He was from New Jersey originally.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: So when I was four and a half years old, we picked up my older sister, myself, my mother, my father, and we moved to New Jersey from Japan.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I always like to explain that we traveled by military ship across the Pacific Ocean and then on a train across the United States and landed in New Jersey.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it was quite a huge transition for my mother, my older sister, and I.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: And this is just to give you the root of my story in that it took me many years to actually figure out that I was carrying this terrible sense of loss and confusion about my identity as a child.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think that moved from Japan to America at that time in history, too, when there were still a lot of very anti-Japanese feelings after the war.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: So my mother, my older sister, and I, and we experienced a fair amount of discrimination growing up in a very white middle-class neighborhood in New Jersey, bedroom community to New York.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it took me many years to figure out that I was carrying that sense of insecurity and confusion about my identity, who I was, how I fit in to the culture, how I sit in in that particular neighborhood where I grew up.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: And even though I certainly worked very hard to make something of myself and my life, I realized many years later that I was carrying with me that very deep-rooted sense of insecurity that I had because of the trauma of leaving Japan and my family.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: How old were you when you actually moved from Japan to the US?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: I was four and a half years old.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: So as a very critical time in a child's life, right?
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: And those first five years or so are really such important formative years.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I also think that my mother, given her generation and her culture, and my father's generation, too, neither one of them really, they never really possessed the best tools for how to explain or how to support my older sister and I through that transition and then adjusting to a completely new culture and country.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so, therefore, I really empathize and sympathize with any immigrant that comes to this country and how difficult it can be for a lot of people.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: And we are indeed a country of immigrants, so it's not an uncommon story.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm only two or three generations in on one side of my family.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: They immigrated in the 1860s and stuff, either from Germany or from Ireland or into potato to think of people leaving behind everything, probably only carrying what they could carry to get on a ship or a train or whatever.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's and then to learn a new language.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: Learn culture.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Try to fit in.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a little bit.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: It is, and it does leave scars.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: It changes your perspective about yourself and your life.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, human beings are very resilient creatures.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: We're very capable of adjusting and figuring things out, which we all do.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: But there is definitely trauma that happens, emotional trauma.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it depends on the kind of person that you are.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think I was a very sensitive child.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I think I carried a lot of stuff with me into adulthood.
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  SPEAKER_00: And maybe for someone else it wouldn't be as impactful.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: But for me, it did turn out to be quite a scarring situation.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: That was the stuff that I carried with me into a lot of my adulthood for a long time.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now you mentioned you were a sensitive child.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think you could have picked up on your parents trying to adjust to an well for your dad it was his country, but for your mom it was a whole new country.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: You could have picked up on or sensed some of their own frustrations in Absolutely with learning a new language and trying to fit in and yes.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it was very difficult for my mom.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: And my mother was at that point, I think she was 40.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: So she wasn't a fully formed adult.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: And for her to leave her family behind, all of her family behind, and to come to a country that she actually had a very different impression about because remember the whole Hollywood movie depiction of what America was like at that time, is all that my mother really knew of America was really from movies.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: It was a very different reality when you actually come here and try to make a life.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I definitely picked up on my mom's not only her frustration, but I think she went through a very long, deep depression.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think she was probably clinically depressed for a very long time.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: But that generation didn't talk about those things.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was quite difficult for my mom.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  unknown: Okay.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: Your career has included performing with Pink Floyd, staying foreigner, Pat Benatar, another legendary artist.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: Was there ever a moment when you thought, how did I get here?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, absolutely.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm still pinching myself.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding?
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: I feel incredibly blessed, incredibly lucky that I had so many wonderful opportunities, wonderful work situations and experiences, and traveled all over the world in very high style and got to sing in front of millions of people, all told.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: How did you become a singer?
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: My mom was a singer, and all of my mother's family in Japan are musicians.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: My grandfather, who is long gone now, but he was a classically trained pianist, and he taught piano and other instruments.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: All of my mother's brothers, she had three brothers, and they were all musicians.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: One was a very accomplished classical composer.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: He unfortunately died quite young.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: My other uncles were into jazz.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: One of them was a piano player, one of them was a sax player.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it was just in my DNA.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: My older sister was a beautiful singer.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: She had a really wonderful voice.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: She did not choose to have a career in music, but yeah, she had a beautiful voice.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: I grew up with music and I started singing when I was very young in church choir.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: I started singing for weddings and funerals and making 20 bucks or whatever they paid me back then, which was exciting as a kid.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: And that kind of evolved into me learning how to play guitar and sing songs.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I started singing in coffee house shops, which was really popular when I was a teenager.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then it evolved into singing in bars.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because the drinking age, when I was young, was 18.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: The bars were full of college kids, and it was a really fun time.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: And this is odd pre-the internet, pre-social media, pre-music videos, all of it.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: So everybody went out to hear live music.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: So that's really how I got my start.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was a great training ground that really prepared me to have a professional career.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: So who actually discovered you and wanted you to be the backup singers?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: After singing in a lot of New York local clubs with various bands, when I was 19, I auditioned for the Glenn Miller Orchestra, which was auditioning singers out of New York City.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: I got the job.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: So 19, 20 years old, I went on the road with this jazz big band.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: These were all college kids that were playing in the big band.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that was really my first sort of big break, if you will.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then from there, it evolved into me doing pop and rock music.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I had a few auditions here and there.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: But then some of the jobs I got, people recommended me.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: So once you kind of get into the system, so to say, if you're good and professional, then you hopefully get some recommendations.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was very lucky.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: The title of your book, Naked Out Loud, is incredibly powerful.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: What does being naked out loud mean to you?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: And why was now the right time to tell your story?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: I just turned 70 a couple weeks ago.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: You don't sound thank you.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I've had some time on this planet, and I've also done a lot of very intense, very intentional personal work over the years.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Lots of therapy, lots of various kinds of self-improvement, if you will.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: During COVID, during 2020, I delved into this was very intentional, and this was something that I wanted to explore.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: I was able to connect with someone that does psychedelic assisted therapy because I felt that I wanted to really go deeper with my personal work.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I had read a lot of scientific research regarding that particular work.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: So that moment in time was actually a very intense, transformative experience for me.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: And because of that experience, I started journaling a lot.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: I started writing down all these stories from my childhood, from my past, from that experience.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that just blossomed into me over a two and a half to three year period, all these stories.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I realized at a certain point I had over 60,000 words and had a book.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it just kind of happened that yeah, it was never my intention to write a book.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: It really just evolved out of writing.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Your story is very similar to mine.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 67, and a couple years ago I decided to write my story.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was one of those things, like you just said, it was never on my bucket list to do.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Writing was just never one of those things.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I just started writing, and once I started, it didn't stop until I said the end at the very end of the book.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: I felt writing it was therapeutic.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Did you find that as well?
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Completely.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was completely cathartic, and it was just in a way, it was just another level of my own personal work.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a sense of release and relief that comes with putting it on the page and getting it out of your head and being able to look at it.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: There is definitely a different kind of process that happens once you put it on the page.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it was very cathartic, and it's been very cathartic, not only writing it, but then to see it published, to see it in a book form, right?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's another step.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then now meeting some lovely people like yourself and talking about life stories.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: So this is like another layer to that whole process.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I never really planned on this either.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's I think it's very healing.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's a very healing process to write your stories down.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think we all have stories.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: Every one of us has stories about our lives and our experiences.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Not everybody will choose to sit down and write it because it is a lot of work.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm very happy that I did this and now it's out in the world, and there's really a great sense of relief about it.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Was there a period in your life when you felt like you had lost yourself or had become disconnected from the woman you really were?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then what helped you find your way back?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's an interesting question.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think in my 20s and 30s, there was quite a bit of confusion about what I was doing with my life, even though on the outside of my life I was having these wonderful experiences and great career accomplishments and all of that stuff, and which I is still something to be happy about and proud of.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that whole time period for me, up until about 40, I really struggled with a lot of old issues.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Aside from the little bit that I told you regarding my very early childhood, I grew up in a very dysfunctional alcoholic family.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: So my dad ended up being a raging alcoholic and a womanizer and a gambler.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: And that made for a very difficult family environment and difficult childhood.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: So that was, I call it the lair cake of that happened through my childhood.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, when anyone has that kind of dysfunctional setting to grow up in, it can cause a lot of emotional issues for anyone.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm very grateful that I was able to figure out getting help through the years and wanting to work on myself, wanting to be a better person, wanting to be a happier person.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Ultimately, no matter what happens in our use as children, it's our responsibility as adults to take care of whatever needs to be taken care of in order to be a happier person, right?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: And hopefully find deeper layers of happiness and maturity and satisfaction in life, right?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: But it is a responsibility of yours, of your own, right?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's not to blame the past or to blame your parents or anyone else.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: No, I would agree.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: At some point in time, I feel like it's the rubber meets the road.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's okay to travel in the back and figure out how you got to this place, but it's your it's you're right.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is your responsibility to fix those aspects and accept them.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: In many ways, it's about acceptance and forgiveness.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: To be able to move on to and then figure out what you want going forward to be a happy happier, a healthier person.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you're so right in that forgiveness is a big part of it.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Forgiveness is a huge part of being able to move forward within your own life and your own sense of fulfillment and happiness in life.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's okay to go back to use the past as a teaching tool.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's a way to learn, but then and then you gotta let it go.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because otherwise you'll never find that peace.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: You've talked about identity and finding your voice.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: Was there a time when you were using your voice professionally on stage, but struggling to use it personally in your own life?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the singing voice, even though the singing voice is still very much a reflection and a very intimate experience being a singer, and also for the audience, it's so intimately connected to who we are as beings.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: But being a performer is also a way to hide in plain sight, as I've identified it.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: There was a period in my life when I was having all these great career experiences, and yet I was feeling I wasn't enough, that I was having imposter syndrome.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: I thought, oh, people are gonna find out that I'm really not that good, I really don't deserve to be here, and all of that stuff that came up in that time period in my life.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's very different for me now.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in a completely different place now.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: But I remember singing in front of hundreds of thousands of people and having that feeling in my gut, like, oh, they're gonna find out.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna find out I really don't belong here.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I think many of us as women feel that time to time.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: We really do.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't think it's all that uncommon.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: No, and it's not just the world of entertainment or performing.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's any business.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: It can happen.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: Any career to anyone.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Even as a mother, you can have those doubts.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Just interesting.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things we talk about on Ben Not Broken is starting over, especially later in life.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: What have you learned about reinvention and allowing yourself to become someone new?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was married in 1990.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: I met my first husband during the Pink Floyd tour in 1987-88.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I ended up marrying this guy who shall remain nameless, although I name him Bruno in my book.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, he turned out to be a very abusive, controlling person.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: That was probably one of the most difficult time periods for me in my life, ultimately getting out of that marriage, coming back to New York from California, because I was living in Los Angeles at the time with him.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: And when I left that situation, I really felt completely broken and broken down.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I, at that moment in time, I didn't know what was going to happen as far as my life, my career.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that I would never ever be in a relationship again.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: I was so broken and I hit bottom.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: That was really the bottom for me.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it was very difficult to kind of dig myself out of that hole.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: It really took me, I think, three years of recovery.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Recovery, so to say, getting out of that situation and finding myself again, and then finding myself in a very different way than I was before.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, we tend to repeat patterns.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that my first marriage was definitely a repeat of an emotional, relational kind of setup that was very reflective of my parents and my father and all of that stuff.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'll tend to repeat patterns until you break the pattern.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: So after that, I did indeed do a lot of work on myself that helped me to really cut the cord to my past and my familial relationships.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: But I would say that was my moment of really hitting bottom.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: But beyond that, I did get my life together again.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then I met someone new, and I've been with that person for almost 30 years.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's been a long time that I've been with my current husband.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: But you never know what life is going to throw your way.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I do believe that these experiences are meant to teach us that we're meant to grow beyond these what are seemingly really difficult, challenging times in life.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I would say that I learned so much about myself after that, my first marriage, and after that as well.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: Beyond that, I'm grateful that the learning experience, and I'm okay.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Looking back at the younger Machan who was trying to find her place in the world, what would you tell her today about success, relationships, self-worth, and trusting herself?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's good.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: I would say that she is okay, just the way she is, that she's enough, that her parents, my parents, were they did the best they could, even though they didn't have the tools to do such a great job, but they did the best they could and that they did actually love me, they love her, and that it's gonna be okay, and to trust that, yeah, to trust that everything's gonna work out.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be my favorite question for you.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: If this next season of your life had its own soundtrack, what would the sound be and why?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: What would the sound be?
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: I feel very energized.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: I feel really good right now.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny, when I turned 60, that was horrible.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: I hated turning 60.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: It was so and I was so depressed for whatever reason.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: But this time, as I mentioned, I just turned 70 in the last few weeks, and I'm feeling really good.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm very positive and hopeful.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: There are a lot of things that I still want to accomplish in my life.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: There are new things I want to experience.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm hoping that I can parlay off my book and start doing some speaking engagements.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm working on a possible screenplay right now.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to stay creative, stay involved, stay busy, and enjoy my life as much as I can because the time is flying.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it's so important to really enjoy your life.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever your goals are, whatever your dreams are, go after them.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, just do it.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I'm feeling.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm feeling then triumphant.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Where can our listeners get your book, Nake It Out Loud?
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: So it is available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's in a couple different formats.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's the book itself, and then there's an ebook.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm right now working on putting together an audiobook.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll hope to get that out pretty soon.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: And the book, unfortunately, it's not available in stores because I signed with a small publishing company and they're doing a print on demand model.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: So once you order it, they print it and then it gets sent out.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: But it is available.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: And people can go to my website, machontaylor.com.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Also, I have an Instagram page, I have a Facebook page.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: So there's lots of ways that you can reach out to me if you feel like just click on info at machontaylor.com on my website, and I'm happy to talk to anybody.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll have all of that information in the show notes.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you again for a great conversation.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: I've truly enjoyed it.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you so much.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you having me on.