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Why The System Is Not Saving You with Dr. Joe |301 · Bomb Life

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[SPEAKER_01]: I talk so much with like my clients and how I train and work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always about your environment and the people in it and the energy that you're giving and taking and it's crazy how many times like a lot of childhood stuff gets brought up in when people are like turning to food and that is like soothing them and making them feel good and safe and comfortable and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had clients that realize like their relationship with their parent in order to appease the parent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would always go and get like ice cream or like treats and then they felt loved by their parent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now they're this adult and they're like, I don't know why I've been in the pantry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand, and they don't realize like that energy is exactly the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Bond Life Podcast where fitness, vines, and real talk collide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about transforming your body, mind, and life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get ready for unfiltered conversations, expert advice, and the motivation you need to level up in every way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey everyone, welcome to the Bomb Life podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am Melissa Vogel, you're host.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the show of your returning listener.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back, you're in for another really good one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you are brand new to the show, welcome I'm so excited that you found this podcast and that you landed on this episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, we are like on viewing, unveiling, revealing, unveiling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to make a new word.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The truth of modern medicine, oh my god, this book is so good, the author is amazing and he is on here with us today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But before we dive into that, I can't believe we're we're at in the time of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're listening this in real time, it's December.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a holy crap wasn't Halloween yesterday and kids like just started school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I bring this up and just awareness around like how much time is passing us by.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like how fast life is going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not living to your fullest potential and you're not taking action and doing something, I want you to just realize how fast things went.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I swear to God, I was just talking about New Year's resolutions for 2025 last month.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably did bring it up again, honestly, knowing me, but just really think about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you say you wanted to do this year?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you swear that this year, 2025, it was gonna be the year that you created some change, that you started that business, that you finally lost the weight, that you got in shape, that you really started using that gym membership again, that you got your butt up and went after what you wanted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now look where it December, how did you do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't ask that in a judging question, I ask it in a loving way, like, how did you do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Seriously, no, really evaluate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's difficult for people to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just wanna bring some awareness to like that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get to choose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You really do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know we have a lot of people that listen that's like, yeah, but you don't know the kind of job that I have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know the hours that I work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what I put up with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know the stress in my life and you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I only know my life and my stress, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Truly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't judge and put ourselves in other people's positions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we all know that busy and we all know that shame and we all know that guilt around all of that not taking action not choosing it I'm telling you I see this all the time with my clients that you can live a busy life you can still set goals and you can crush them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: no matter what position you're in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it has to be a choice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get to choose to be fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get to choose whether to travel and still eat clean and not drink a ton and, you know, make bad choices food and restaurant and like find the hotel gym.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like things like that, like you get to choose that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one else is going to choose it for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That path in that road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 10 times harder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If any idea how much easier it would be to just grab ship food and go out and drink and then crash and then get up and repeat, then going back, changing your clothes, making time, fitting in a workout, doing a workout in your hotel room, ordering the salad, being different mean unique, being not like everyone else, like, but you get to choose that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when do you choose you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When do you let go of the Peep Party and actually start deciding, like, hey, no, I don't want to live this life anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not serving me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, just things to think about, especially moving forward and deeper into this month.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the month where like a lot of things slow down for people because, you know, everything then happens like after all it is, you know, I will after the holidays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's fine, but then after the holidays come and people get on the, okay, now I'm doing it and they like, like this match and it's like, okay, we got fire and then it dies down and then it fizzles out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm going to light another match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Jane, where I'm going to do it and then it dies down, you didn't light anything with that match and I don't want that to happen again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want it to happen in 2021.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you guys to start making choices and really think about that regardless if that's with me or not, that's not my point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want you to start thinking of this and having awareness around it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what needs to change?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's the first question to start asking yourself what needs to change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What can I do today?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today's guest is Dr. Joe Jacko, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're talking all about essentially the healthcare system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want you to think about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What if your doctor's advice wasn't the full truth?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, really think about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Joe Jacko wrote the book, he's the author of the book, Ben Luzold, dupped and hoodwinked, keys to escaping the tricks, disruptions, and half-truce of the medical industry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he pulls back the curtain on the corruption, the half-truce and the hidden agenda's shaping modern medicine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With deathcades of experience on the inside, he reveals why chronic disease treatments often miss the mark, how blue suits and health care industry control your options, and what you can do to protect your health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is such a great conversation around this and I love having these hard conversations because it just brings light to the topic of you are in control just like what I was saying before but you have to choose you have to go and advocate for yourself and you have to fight for you no one else is going to do that for you and that plays into everything that we're talking about right now when are you going to choose when you go to the doctor can you fight for yourself there request the blood work have them look deeper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Find other options besides just a medication and you can and this episode is going to light a fire under your butt All right everyone check out the show notes for more information and enjoy the show
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey everyone, welcome to the bomb life podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today we have Dr. Joseph.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacko on welcome, Dr. Jacko.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Melissa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm super excited that you're here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have good conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to talk all about the medical field, your practice, your the author of the book, Bam Boozled, dupped and hoodwinked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've never heard of that term before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keys do escaping the tricks,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the devil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Jaco, you are just like flipping tables and like shedding light on all the things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know this is gonna be a great conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So tell me, how did this all start for you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you are a physician, you are an author, you are a speaker, you're a longevity advocate, preventative and regenerative medicine expert.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you have quite the resume, my friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of the books, the way I got,
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[SPEAKER_00]: got there is really my career at the more sports medicine preventive medicine hormone so more functional medicine really helping people achieve optimal health yeah and then i about 12 years ago i decided to get into the sick care business and i like to say one from the lightness to the darkness and i really got frustrated in dealing with patients and all i had time to do was prescribe medications and got away from the real fun
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it just was really frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the whole situation in terms of the book kind of culminated with COVID-19, the management, and I think there are a lot of on ethical things that were done during that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been, was there a lot of research that I got to the point where I felt someone has to speak up and say something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, from the point of view of others that were out or slimmer or more visible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But after having all this information, I just thought it was on-wise just to not share it with the patients and the consumer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious, like, did anything happen during your career that you were like, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't do this anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that, like, really took you on a different path.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I've got to see something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, was there a certain incidence?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or was it just like building?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even through my training, I did an intro mess around the sea training.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we would just see patients in the house when we discharge them, you know, week, sometimes a month later, they'd be back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were just putting our wheels and just didn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We weren't really making any progress.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're on this treadmill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what led me to go into more sports medicine and prevent a medicine and focus on the fundamentals of health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when I came back in that 20 years, there's so many new medications that I knew very little about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had to learn about them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Part of that education was meeting with pharmaceutical reps. Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I quit kind of quickly cut onto the games or the way they present their data and their studies in the best
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, with the goal of getting us to prescribe medications.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know a little bit about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've talked about this before on the podcast that someone I'm just going to say someone in my life at one point in time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was very close to was in that field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They still are and they were in the pharmaceutical field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got to see firsthand what the dinners looked like and in back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they can do it the same anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think things have changed, but like I got to see the late nights and the doctors being taken out to dinners at hockey games and like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: all the things that happened and all the presentations and the lunch is that, you know, we're taking place and I'll never forget this person telling me that I educate the doctor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They only know what they know because of of this medication or like whatever because I told them and because I'm educating him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, that's very.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so much physician education is like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're only being taught what they want you to know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there's from a pharmaceutical company or a medical school or research center or even a professional organization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these like these hidden forces, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the pharmaceutical industry and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How is that shaping?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What doctor doctors recommend to their patients?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like how does that affect my care?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, they control a big part of medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what is that people don't fully understand?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're funding everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They fundamentally get money to medical schools.
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[SPEAKER_00]: academic centers, professional societies, organizations like the American Cancer Society, American Diabetic Association, and the control of the medical publication too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, as a position, if you're reading the journals and you see that anti-depressants are working everybody, then you're more likely to prescribe them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but they don't they hide the cases where things aren't working so well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a kind of what we call publication bias in the in the medical journals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all that forces obviously influences how you as a physician will practice medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of geared more basically it's geared towards you, prescribing more and more medications.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've adopted this mindset that every condition has a molecular is a result of a molecular
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[SPEAKER_01]: right well and i'm just playing devil's advocate like well what's wrong with that you know it seems to be working right like yeah i have something going on with me and there is a medication to fix my let's say cholesterol and so now i take a cholesterol and that a cholesterol medication and that helps me like what's wrong with that doctor jaco like what
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the drugs do work on one hand, but it doesn't mean that there are other things more natural that would work better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So another thing is the way they present the data, like for a year, you were talking about cholesterol medications.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you see the commercials that 30, your risk of heart disease will go down 30 to 50 percent, but what does that really mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it really means is you have to take the medication for about five years for one person to get that benefit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know I bring up like cholesterol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know there's a lot of people that are like, Oh, no, it's hereditary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I eat right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I exercise and it's still high.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I'm, I'm a firm believer that there is a time in place for both 100% but I mean, let's be real to address obesity diabetes or cholesterol still to that takes more time work energy education effort follow up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like all of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my doctor's not going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to really practice medicine well, it's a big educational endeavor and we don't have to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't have those other people that you just mentioned in your practice, then many patients are never going to get that education component that they need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like in our practice, we have a dietitian, we have exercise physiologists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you come in and you're overweight, so you can, you want to stop shopping, you can go from my office to CNN and get that component that you need to improve your health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are other factors that like why aren't I presented with all of my options, you know, and for me personally, like there were times where I knew I needed blood work done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like I haven't had blood work done in forever, but people look at me and I'm very physically fit, you know, and even my doctor will do this to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, you know, we haven't really checked anything at a really long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've kind of new to this insurance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we probably should check things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then come to find out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like severely anemic, like, really bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there were a couple other things that were flagged.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, oh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, see, if I hadn't pushed for myself to even just have blood work done, no one would even have checked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, these options, it wasn't even like an option.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are your thoughts behind that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know there's a lot of listeners, especially women that are like, yeah, I asked to have my hormones checked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, no, do you have any symptoms?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, not really, then you're fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or they get the blood work done and they look at the ranges and they're like, yeah, you're in the normal range.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're fine and the woman's going, I'm not fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you make up the good point, and that is, you need to trust yourself in your instincts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And be your own advocate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when it comes to like the blood work and the particular hormones, you're exactly right, so many physicians, particularly GYNs, or so many of them are against hormone replacement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because of that, they won't even bother testing for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and then we just had the big reveal the other day of the warnings being taken off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And part of the two, you know, the goal is for you to stay young and health is as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you really want to get some baseline's blood work in your 30s while your hormones are kind of optimal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have that baseline so that when you're 40, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, what was optimal for you when you were 30?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you have something to shoot for if you are going to subscribe to something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that other point to you make the reference range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the reference ranges are really they're statistical ranges in most cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they include 95% of the population.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you got two and a half percent or high, two and a half percent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have nothing necessary to do with why it's good health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So many physicians will look at that where they're particularly with thyroid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big one where the similar levels are normal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're constipated, you're tired, your skin's dry, you're losing your hair, you have brain fog, you have all the classic symptoms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but because everything falls into that range, they say it's not your side, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll say you're depressed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so how do we, again, acting as a listener?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do we do with this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how do we find a doctor outside of the norm?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we take action beyond, you know, this is your insurance?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the doctor, you go to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we have control?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your best bet's going to be to find some on that outside insurance world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that's not doable for everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just a bit of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I keep hearing this too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because the physicians, most physicians are employee these days, and they are very, very just ways that they are under control, for instance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw a physician coming in that he was terminated, this was on a social media, he was terminated because he was getting bad patient reviews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of other physicians trained in and once said, well, at our institution, if you don't get a 4.9 out of 5, they start withholding bonus money from you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's the rating, like, based off of patients, just patients, satisfaction, you know, to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in some cases, if you're not given the patient what they want, you get a bad review by the patient.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was thinking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what if they were like, no, I want you to change your diet in your exercise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to write this prescription.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do this and let's follow up in six weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That could really piss off a patient.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One star for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then they're handcuffed by the clinical guidelines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, do I keep the patient happy or do I satisfy the clinical guidelines?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you don't follow them in the guidelines, you get in trouble that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're really copying between a rock and a hard place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like teachers trying to keep, you know, the students and parents and administration all happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't please everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and that's so not fair because then people, we don't get the treatment that we deserve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't get the care that we deserve because there's so many like other factors in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are still physicians within the Charles world that are very good and they'll they'll provide good care and give you the options.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But many times you are going to have to go outside the system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you want to look for someone that has some additional training.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, every training, every physician is traditionally trained.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, probably 98%, they there and they got one or two percent, you know, we'll grab it to functional medicine, integrative medicine, anti-AT medicine, longevity medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They all kind of overlap and do similar things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you would have to find someone in your area that has that background.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are going to have to probably save some of your money and be well in the pay cash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to go outside to get all the options.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think when people talk about it more too, like listening to this, having these conversations, you know, listening to this episode and like starting to question things and then bringing it up with your friends post about on social media.
18:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the more like conversation we have around this, it'll get people talking and you'll find someone who's like, oh, yeah, I go to this person.
18:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
18:36
[SPEAKER_01]: A good place for referrals is someone you know who's happy with their physics.
18:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:40
[SPEAKER_01]: But like this conversation just isn't happening.
18:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
18:43
[SPEAKER_01]: People are just so like I'm sick.
18:46
[SPEAKER_01]: This is happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I go to my doctor.
18:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what they said.
18:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that's backbone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we look like.
18:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the book, I spend a little bit of time talking about how we are groomed to be patient and medically dependent.
18:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, tell me about that.
18:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So when did that get
19:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the first thing about it, you're very first encounter with the medical fashion is you were still in utero.
19:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You weren't even born yet.
19:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you'd be in carted to physicians' offices and doctors' offices, and then you're born and you have several doctor visits those first few years of life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as patients, we just, you know, seeing doctors just as part of life, it's kind of what you do.
19:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And you also talk to trust them in some cases and not question them.
19:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And so if a lot of people just wear a doctor says they're going to do, and now the doctor who's also controlled by their training and we're told to trust our training, but we're only being trained.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our training is very crafted to serve what we need the pharmaceutical complex.
19:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it makes my tummy hurt.
19:42
[SPEAKER_01]: So then after that, I mean, even as a child and into the grooming,
19:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we kind of learned really early that if you're sick, you go to the doctor if you're hurt, you go to the hospital.
19:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're sure that's true.
19:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Almost everything in these days, you need to see a doctor for permission to do something.
19:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:00
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to travel out of the country, you might need a vaccine, if you want to play sports, you need a physical.
20:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And so all these touch points are just opportunities for the traditional medicine to tell you what they want you to know and do.
20:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
20:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
20:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, tell me more about this book.
20:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, at what point in your career were you like, I'm going to write a book.
20:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I have got to get all of this feelings and knowledge and everything that I know on paper.
20:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to get this out to the public.
20:29
[SPEAKER_01]: When did that happen?
20:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I've had a website for since 2010 and right now it's Chaco empty 180.
20:35
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been writing articles.
20:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I probably have 1100 articles.
20:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But I saw that.
20:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've, at times, have tried to say, I could turn a couple of these, these articles into some books.
20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And I sat down and just couldn't do it.
20:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't have the time.
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But then when COVID came around and I saw the alluded to earlier, some of the, uh, an ethical behavior, I said,
20:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And at that time, I had changed practices.
20:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm, you know, conscientious, cash-based practice.
21:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really part of time.
21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually had a block of time where I could sit down every day and work on the book.
21:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And I literally worked on it every day since March 1st of 2024.
21:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
21:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, and I've never wrote a book before, I don't know what I was doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I decided, well, I'm just going to write down what I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just started writing down things and pretty soon they kind of call us them to chapters and it led me to do more and more research and before you know to head over 500 pages.
21:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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23:03
[SPEAKER_01]: it really start off with just you like, I should really get this these articles into a book, but this isn't something that like most physicians talk about, were you worried about, I mean, you have bamboozled and dooked right off the cover of it and who hoodwinked it like, well, I'm not a point in my career.
23:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel secure enough that if I get some backlash, I'm okay.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
23:25
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you?
23:25
[SPEAKER_01]: What's like the number one thing that you hope people take away from your book when they read it?
23:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that they're being deceived, clearly deceived and not given the full truth.
23:35
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a couple points of book.
23:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, on patients aren't getting all the information they need.
23:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Two, the medical research is tainted.
23:41
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a biased and studies haven't been circulated, particularly direct studies.
23:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Number three, this concept of evidence-based medicine is
23:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't live up to it's billing, because in part because the science is tainted.
23:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And we think that you're just supposed to fall the others, but we forget you have to take into account of patients, desires, their experience.
24:02
[SPEAKER_00]: A patient's experience is evidence.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you tell me, hey,
24:06
[SPEAKER_00]: that you've had sinus infections and sinus surgery and after three or four days, you're not better.
24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You need a antibiotic.
24:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's evidence for you.
24:14
[SPEAKER_00]: That's personal.
24:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're supposed to be providing a practicing personal care medicine, but our personal medicine, but we're practicing population-based medicine instead.
24:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And at the other point, two signs are always wrong until it's right and very rarely signs right come right out of the gate.
24:33
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very unfair.
24:33
[SPEAKER_00]: You have studies
24:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
24:37
[SPEAKER_01]: What were the, what were the like the most on ethical things that you saw happening during like the whole COVID-19 thing?
24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what like what was the collapse of like medical ethics that you saw going on?
24:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, number one, lot of physicians were really harassing their patients to get vaccinated.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And during that time where it was under emergency use authorization, it's still experimental.
24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So as the physician, you're really supposed to be neutral.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you don't have any data to really support.
25:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know how well it was going to work.
25:06
[SPEAKER_00]: so you had to be honest with the patient about that.
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: The other issue was you had the FDA and the pharmacist kind of playing doctor too.
25:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Pharmacists like when it came to some of the drugs they did not want us to use like I've remacked in hydroxychloroquine, if you wrote as a physician, if you wrote for those prescriptions, some pharmacies would not fill them.
25:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So they are in fact
25:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you had the FDA, you probably saw the ad with the horse, you know, you're not a horse, why are you taking I've remit, I didn't.
25:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
25:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm a Joe Rogan thing.
25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
25:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But the kind of the weird thing about that is what's premiering?
25:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they're gin for horses.
25:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Pregnip mayors, you're in.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like they just contradict themselves on some of these things.
25:56
[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay, but the other one's not.
25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: One's, yeah, the patients were being bribed to get a chorus, financial incentives.
26:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Some practices here in Central Ohio were given their employees $1,000 to get vaccinated.
26:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
26:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is, if you read the Nuremberg code, you're not supposed to be chorus,
26:17
[SPEAKER_01]: incentivize Yeah, oh, no.
26:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I know several people that their job gave them like a $500 bonus or gift card or check if they got vaccinated.
26:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is happening here?
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And we never did before for any other vaccine.
26:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So that kind of rate will why this one.
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't have the answer to that.
26:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I know, but there's probably a lot behind that.
26:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I think it's important to like hear this side and hear these truths about, you know, what happens because I mean, let's face it like in the future something else is going to happen like I don't feel like that madness that we experience is a one time thing.
26:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, so since this, we had this gain of function era that we've had ravaging a pandemic every 3.3 years.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, we've had like six pandemics in a, you know, 20 or period of time where you have to go back almost 90 years to get to the other six previous pandemics.
27:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the spike, the world become a more civilized, more developed.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You think they would, you know, there would be fewer pandemics in these days.
27:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's more.
27:18
[SPEAKER_01]: easy and blows my mind.
27:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I did so much like acting and I still do, you know, and an agent and manager and all that and I was one of the only people like on the roster that didn't give vaccinated, but I also have her condition and I was terrified of it and I had a lot of questions and no one could give me answers and I'm like, well, then no, and it's sad, but it like really impacted things.
27:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So just my own personal experience, I was in the group of about five hundred and six physicians.
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I was one of three of them then get vaccinated.
27:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, try going up against that kind of I can't imagine.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that wasn't too bad.
27:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Quite honestly, the only person I really gave me a hard time was my own medical assistant, but
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you're fired.
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have that.
28:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I had gotten COVID right before the rollout of the vaccines and there's a lot of studies that came out in the summer and I write about them at books, but from five or six, reputable institutions, that's just really very little benefit if you've had COVID already to be vaccinated.
28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And I did too.
28:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's okay to have healthy conversations around this and people I think people have calmed down a lot more but like right now I think we need to hear from physicians like yourself in your opinions on both sides and I think before a lot of people were like oh my god like stay away you know you didn't get vaccinated you don't wear a mask it just got like so weird and I think people are like waking up now.
28:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think too it's just about the vaccines if you look at
28:46
[SPEAKER_00]: other things we've done in history and I write a little bit about this in a book.
28:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there are 20 missions building up to each other, the Mercury Gemini and Apollo to get, we spent billions of dollars in a decade so that it was safe for 12 men to walk on the moon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These vaccines were tested only in 22,000 people during that, before we unleashed it on everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And is that science?
29:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that ethical?
29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: We were just at my pediatricians office there to have my daughter for a whole vaccine like situation thing.
29:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like just live it and that's another time place.
29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But during that of appointment and the physician, I love him.
29:26
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a great guy and he's great with the kids and he's honest and you know, everything and he was like, yeah, I was forced to take the COVID vaccine and he said that he wasn't bad.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: My daughter keeps breaking this up and we keep talking about
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He said he was in bed for five days after he was more sick than he'd ever been in his whole life after that and she was just like Oh my god, like mom, did you hear that like he was forced to get it and then he was so sick and you're like, yeah Well, surprise the fees of pediatrician.
29:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He was kind of resistant to it.
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it sounds like he was one of the outsiders
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, like, I hate it.
30:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's talk about lifestyle because why lifestyle beats prescription dependency any day.
30:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is, this is like my gym.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why I'm like, let's move, let's lift, let's like look at nutrition because I get so many people that come to me, you know, for like coaching and training and they're very much like, well, I'm on this medication and this
30:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to know, like, how are you sleeping?
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: What is your food look like?
30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: How much are you actually moving?
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And so many of them, it's like all these prescriptions or, you know, a few of them.
30:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And the answer's like nothing on the other side.
30:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, well, I work all the time.
30:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really have time to go to the gym.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how to cook.
30:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, you do know that the solution to most of your problems that you're describing me right now is activity, nutrition, and sleep.
31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so you touched on to probably the three or four big habits that are most important.
31:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So probably the most important thing is what you put in your mouth.
31:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
31:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And and your scan, too.
31:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to be careful what you flick the women with the cosmetics.
31:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Second thing is exercise exercise.
31:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Exercise is probably the closest thing we have to to perfect drug.
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And you shouldn't think of that in it because it just benefits every organ system.
31:22
[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at most of our medications, they block or they inhibit some process in the body.
31:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Which in the short run maybe okay, but we don't know a long term if you're on something for 20 years, how is that altering your biochemistry or physiology?
31:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you, you know, there's a place for medication, but you don't want to jump right to in the most cases.
31:39
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to focus on the exercise in nutrition.
31:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you're aware of the blues on, and we have people throughout the low part living to a hundred.
31:46
[SPEAKER_00]: What's life on kind of fascinating is they're living to a hundred, and they don't know anything about science.
31:52
[SPEAKER_00]: No, right.
31:53
[SPEAKER_00]: How about that?
31:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we have a lot of longevity experts who I don't any of them love to be a hundred.
31:59
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the biggest benefits you see of exercising and like weight training?
32:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, everything.
32:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, exercise, well, obviously lower should blood pressure and bruise your metabolism.
32:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It's healthy for depression and anxiety.
32:10
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great stress reliever.
32:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually gives you more energy.
32:14
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we seem to think that if I don't spend energy, I'll have more, but you really have to bend energy to create more energy.
32:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, in the body really is the only machine that actually breaks down faster for not being used than used, you know, we need to use our body and the one area that probably is most neglected is would be flexibility and strength training, particularly the elderly and we have to maintain our muscle mass that is critical to enjoying health in our later years.
32:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and people don't realize like maintaining that muscle mass means you must pick up heavy shit and put it down.
32:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no other way to like build and maintain that muscle mass right.
32:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just like your range of motion, you could, if you don't take movie arm above over head, you know, a little bit every day, there comes a point where you're not going to be able to do it.
33:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you aren't lifting 20 pounds, there's going to come a day where you can't even look 10.
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And so now it's a novel, you are going to lose some strength.
33:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm 65 and I kind of notice, I'm losing a little bit myself.
33:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
33:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Despite the training, but I'm still a lot more functional than my peers who are in exercising.
33:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So exercise is important.
33:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are other things in terms of lifestyle that are critical are having a sense of purpose.
33:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just cross a son oracle about the importance of forgiveness.
33:31
[SPEAKER_02]: How?
33:32
[SPEAKER_00]: it's a big, takes a big stress off.
33:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You have some anger, bitterness towards somebody.
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That is, there's an internal flame going on in you.
33:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It's causing you to age a little quicker.
33:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So, man, I would love to see the science behind that and the data behind that.
33:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I got, I just, I had the article.
33:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw it today.
33:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It was on the E-Talk Times, E-PLCH Times, and there's the highlight two when the number one's a none.
34:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I think in our 90s, the other 180s, 98, and there's like nine longevity tips in the article.
34:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
34:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
34:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the amount of energy that we exert and we don't even realize it when we hold like that hatred and resentment in our heart.
34:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh my god, that's like running a marathon every single day and not recovering.
34:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
34:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You just don't let me have to realize you forgive someone not for their benefit is for your benefit.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And forget forget forget forget forget forget and somebody doesn't mean you have to forget it doesn't mean you have to make them your friend again, or that you're weaker or yeah, right.
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I talked so much with like my clients and how I train and work, it's always about your environment and the people in it and the energy that you're giving and taking and it's crazy how many times.
34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: like a lot of childhood stuff gets brought up in when people are like turning to food and that is like soothing them and making them feel good and safe and comfortable and I've had clients that realize like their relationship with their parent in order to appease the parent they would always go and get like ice cream or like treats and then they felt loved by their parent and now they're this adult and they're like I don't know why I've been in the pantry.
35:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand that and they don't realize like that energy is exactly the same.
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you are still soothing yourself, you are still kind of like holding onto that.
35:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like we dive into things, even that deep in the program, but it's crazy how we don't realize that those relationships, when we were a child and this current situation, those relationships now, how much they impact our health and our fitness journey and our weight loss and everything.
35:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone's just like, Tony, give me a workout plan.
35:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like,
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: not a role like that.
35:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we all need to do some self interspection and I completely agree.
35:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I completely agree.
35:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So tell me real quick longevity.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
35:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
35:59
[SPEAKER_01]: What can I do to stay young?
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, I suspect you're ready to do it.
36:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything.
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm a tell me again.
36:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be as young as pot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be, I want to age and get, I want to be older.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to look as young as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be older.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Outside the sleep, the diet, the exercise, purpose, forgiveness, also social networks are very important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So longevity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now in terms of like medical interventions, there are things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: regenerative medicine techniques.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So stem cells, peptides can can certainly help in that regard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most people wait too long, so you want to get those interventions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Particularly for arthritis and joints, you want to get those considerals trim is earlier and not wait to your 60 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you can pass the point work and help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are, those are things that can be talked about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the medications are being used.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of talk about rap and mice in and things like met form of that might happen, which is a diabetes drug.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And rap and mice in is used to prevent the transplant or organ transplant rejection of they seem to have some anti-aging benefits, which are currently being studied.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really, they put me on Metformin when I was trying to get pregnant with my second daughter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because I'm freaking, I track and know my body very well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I knew exactly when I would ovulate and the time between when I ovulated and then started my period was super short like that little face like super short.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they put me on Metformin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to, I think, extend that a little bit to give the embryo a chance to implant, you know, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, after like one month, I got pregnant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder, I wonder why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've thought that a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not familiar with that mechanism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's an air and it's being researched more is repurposing drugs that already exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we have like 9,000 rare diseases for which there's no FDA-approved drug.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's an area where, in part of the reason is there's no motivation for the pharmaceutical companies to make a drug.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They help a handful of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not cost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be a big area of research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a repurposing of drugs, particularly for cancer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's some dismal statistics on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So two studies, one in 2020, one in 2021.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The 2021 looked at 15 years of cancer advancement therapies, and there's one in 2021, looked at three years of the advancements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in 15 to 30 years of cancer advancements, we have gained a whopping 2.4 to 3.4 months or survival.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's shocking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All that research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all the money that people who might be listening to this have probably donated is not really translating into and he meaningful results unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's so that's why you want to really prevent disease rather than the treating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot easier to prevent than the treat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think you're you're booked to educating yourself and learning all this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because it really is like a guide that empires your readers, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is a plays a major role in preventive medicine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to go answer your doctor visit kind of armed and prepared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you don't want to be nasty, but you might want to ask, well, do you think I can try this or what about maybe we consider this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe you pose it that way rather than say, you know, I read that if I did this and this, you know, I wouldn't have this problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you have to get you have to practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I always say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not my quote, but no one's coming to save you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like no one's going to fight for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're going to fight for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like being a parent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like no one's going to fight for your child the way you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it goes in the same thing with with our health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a biopsy done on just like this it was just as tiny little like speck like a little freckle and like that's new that's weird I should get that checked out and luckily I did because it came back not good so they went in they took more and they said yeah this is this is like pre-cancer you know it's it's either going to go one way or another and it's not looking good and they're like we want to get you started on a treatment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And essentially it was like a topical chemo or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, wait, what, really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, can't we just go back in and take more until it's clean until we get a clean, you know, results from it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, oh, that will even ask you scar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is gonna be a better way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I don't care about a scar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can sit there, numb me up, cut it out, stitch me up, I'll be fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had to fight and luckily, my, I had a dermatologist in a plastic surgeon, like going back and forth with each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And plastics was like, no, if this is what she wants, do what we can try and make it pretty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Durham was like, no, we need to treat this now.
40:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, you know what, you too, talk to each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you two figured this out, but I had to keep pushing and I'm like, I don't want chemicals or treatment or anything on me if we can't because you're just worried about a scar, but the whole point is I couldn't believe how much I had to fight for myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I just would have been like, okay, well if you think that's best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows what that would have done or, you know, I don't know, but my, yeah, my point is like, I had to really fight for myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's hard because I felt like, what am I going up against this big well-known dermatologist and I'm just a little no one, you know, The part of it, you have to understand your own risk tolerance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And position's have to understand their own risk tolerance because we tend to project ours onto you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we tend to be low risk tolerant people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you're going to air us a physician, you want to air on the side of doing something rather than not doing something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Jaco, where can people find you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where can they follow you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where can they get the block?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Give us the load out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll put everything in the show notes, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you guys are driving or whatever, we'll put it all there, but let's hear it from you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the book can be found on Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the website mentioned earlier, JacquelineD180.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then my practice website is we are thearmory.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in terms of, I could probably just shoot your all the links to the social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have them with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll put them in the show not to, but basically, Jaco M.B.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're gonna find you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not too many with my last name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they'll find you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this has been such a great conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't thank you enough for coming on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just, I don't know, just bringing awareness to all of this and letting people know that it's okay to question things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you should question things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But one thing I would say is be curious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stay curious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great, great piece of advice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you again for coming on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone, go check out the website, get the books, start educating yourself and everyone stay safe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stay healthy until next time.
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