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Why You're Still Exhausted After 40 · The BP Triangle

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  Speaker 1: So I think one of the biggest frustrations that people
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  Speaker 1: have today is that they're doing everything they're supposed to do.
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  Speaker 1: They're eating healthier, they're trying to exercise, they're taking supplements,
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to sleep better, and yet they still feel exhausted.
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  Speaker 1: And I can relate to all of the above. They
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  Speaker 1: gain weight, their blood pressure creeps up, their hormones feel off,
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  Speaker 1: their energy disappears, and they begin to wonder what is
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  Speaker 1: wrong with me? Today's guest says, that may be the
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  Speaker 1: wrong question. So Joel Polly is a registered nurse, natural
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  Speaker 1: path and founder of Restore her Hormones and the BP
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  Speaker 1: Triangle Assessment. For more than two decades, Joel has helps
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  Speaker 1: people uncover the hidden drivers behind hormone imbalanced chronic stress,
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  Speaker 1: metabolic dysfunction, and cardiovascular health. And so today we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about one of the most misunderstood health problems in modern life,
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  Speaker 1: a body that has forgotten to get out of survival mode. So, Joel,
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  Speaker 1: it's really great to meet you and have you here.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being here today.
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  Speaker 2: It's my pleasure, glad to be here, so.
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  Speaker 1: Excited, excited because most people I talk to are going
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  Speaker 1: through exactly what I just said, Like they feel like
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  Speaker 1: they're doing everything they're supposed to be doing, but they
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  Speaker 1: still feel exhausted and anxious and inflamed. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: why so many people today feel that way?
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  Speaker 3: What has changed?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question, and I think the number
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  Speaker 4: one change that you're mentioning really revolves around stress. Stress
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  Speaker 4: has become like a normal part of life, and it's
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  Speaker 4: almost this club that if you're not.
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  Speaker 2: Stressed, you're weird.
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  Speaker 4: Like it's so stress is the trigger that raises your
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  Speaker 4: cortisol and then throws off so many hormones in your
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  Speaker 4: body that cause all the symptoms you mentioned, and so
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to what's wrong with you. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: doctor Josh Acts even says that eighty pan of doctor
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  Speaker 4: visits are stress related, and so that just goes to
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  Speaker 4: show you that the driver of a lot of these symptoms,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of our chronic illness has to do with stress.
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  Speaker 1: It's so funny that you said that because I was
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  Speaker 1: literally in a room the other day and everyone was
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  Speaker 1: kind of airing their dirty laundry and I'm like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: feeling pretty good, and because I wasn't stressed or going
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  Speaker 1: through some kind of chaos, I felt like I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Belong, like I was the odd one out.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's so true, like crazy, when someone comes to
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  Speaker 1: you saying, I don't feel like myself anymore, What are
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  Speaker 1: some of the first things that you look for?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of that, and usually those are women
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  Speaker 4: over the age of forty typically that come to me
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  Speaker 4: with that exact phrase. The first thing I asked them
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  Speaker 4: is how old are you, and you're usually over forty.
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  Speaker 4: And then the second thing I tell them is that
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  Speaker 4: your estrogen is dropping. And that's there's nothing you can
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  Speaker 4: necessarily do about that part. But when your estrogen drops,
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  Speaker 4: you no longer have a protection against cortisol, and that's
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  Speaker 4: where all these extra symptoms come in. So if you
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  Speaker 4: think back to your twenties, maybe the stressful situation you're
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  Speaker 4: dealing with now back then would have hardly phased you,
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  Speaker 4: but now it's like it all the stress is like
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  Speaker 4: two three times harder when it hits you, and it's
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  Speaker 4: because of that estrogen drop. And so, yes, you cannot
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  Speaker 4: control the fact that your estrogen is dropping after forty
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  Speaker 4: that's a normal part of life. But what you can
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  Speaker 4: do really start to focus on what is your source
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  Speaker 4: of cortisol? Where is the stress coming from? And you
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  Speaker 4: would be surprised at the long list of stressors that
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  Speaker 4: we don't even think about.
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  Speaker 1: What are some of those stressors that we don't even
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  Speaker 1: think about? Because I honestly, when you say, like stress
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  Speaker 1: is the number one cause, I believe that, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that we are all under chronic stress. So were
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  Speaker 1: some of the sources that maybe we aren't thinking?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So a lot of it has to do with
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  Speaker 4: your past. So I find that a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: ignore how they feel about their past. When someone asks them,
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  Speaker 4: are you stressed? And usually people are like, no, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not really stressed.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good. You know, I'm retired.
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  Speaker 4: Oftentimes they say I don't have a job, I just
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  Speaker 4: do what I want to do. I don't have kids
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  Speaker 4: in the house anymore. I'm not stressed. That's all well
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  Speaker 4: and good. But what about your past? And when I
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  Speaker 4: say past, your trauma, your unforgiveness, your worry, and your
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  Speaker 4: anxiety even about future things. But a lot of what
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  Speaker 4: people struggle with is mostly in their past. When it
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  Speaker 4: comes to you stress because your brain cannot differentiate between
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  Speaker 4: a situation that happened twenty years ago and you reliving
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  Speaker 4: it in the moment. Now you have the same feelings,
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  Speaker 4: you have the same chemical response. Your blood pressure goes up,
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  Speaker 4: your heart rate goes up, get those anger feelings, you
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  Speaker 4: get those bitterness feelings, all coming back as if it's
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  Speaker 4: happening right now, and your brain doesn't know the difference,
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  Speaker 4: so it kicks all of that hormonal cascade into high gear.
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  Speaker 4: It says, this person is hurting you right now, we
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  Speaker 4: need cortisol. Boom, cortisol hits. Then you know, it starts
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  Speaker 4: to trigger all of your survival mechanisms. The fat around
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  Speaker 4: your belly, that's a survival mechanism. That's so that if
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  Speaker 4: you're being chased by a tiger, those fat stores are
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  Speaker 4: being burned to give you faster run speed. But when
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  Speaker 4: it's something from your past and it triggers all of that,
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  Speaker 4: it's that same cascade, and then you start getting the
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  Speaker 4: belly fat. Then you start getting the insulin spikes. Then
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  Speaker 4: you start getting the chin hair and the thinning hair,
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  Speaker 4: and the brain fog and the fatigue, and the PMS
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  Speaker 4: and the perimenopausal symptoms that we think are normal because
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  Speaker 4: we're having that season of our life. But most of
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  Speaker 4: those symptoms, our abnormal responses to the fact that our
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  Speaker 4: cortisol is just out of control.
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  Speaker 1: So can you explain to us how cortisol affects the
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  Speaker 1: body and what happens when cortisol stays elevated for months
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  Speaker 1: or even years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so a lot of it has to do with
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  Speaker 4: that fight or flight system. So, like I said, cortisol
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  Speaker 4: is very very important in your body. It's a very
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  Speaker 4: life saving mechanism. However, it's only designed to be used
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  Speaker 4: in case of emergency. Right, emergency break glass. That's your
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  Speaker 4: cortisol system, and it's combined with things like nor epinephrine, epinephrine,
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  Speaker 4: your adrenal hormones and all of that to help you
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  Speaker 4: fight or flee. Okay, However, when you are stressed, when
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  Speaker 4: you are angry, all of that also triggers cortisol and
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  Speaker 4: it still creates that cascade of effect. And one of
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  Speaker 4: the biggest problems long term with the high cortisol is, yes,
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  Speaker 4: your blood pressure, because it clamps down your vessels. It's
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  Speaker 4: designed to do that, to clamp down your vessels so
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  Speaker 4: that the blood shunts to major organs in your body,
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  Speaker 4: so that your heart beats harder and faster, so that
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  Speaker 4: you can run and escape or fight, but if you
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  Speaker 4: hold that, if you hold that clamp down system for
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  Speaker 4: too long, things start to become damaged. They say that
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  Speaker 4: ten minutes of road rage is equivalent to smoking a
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  Speaker 4: pack of cigarettes on your body because of the cornersol.
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  Speaker 4: So imagine, you know the amount of stress that we're
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  Speaker 4: under as a society daily, what that is doing to
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  Speaker 4: our system. And they say, you know, blood pressure is
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  Speaker 4: the silent killer, and it's silent because blood pressure. High
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  Speaker 4: blood pressure doesn't kill you. It's what the effect of
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  Speaker 4: consistent chronic high blood pressure does to your other organs
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  Speaker 4: that kills you.
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  Speaker 3: So that's totally interesting. I think.
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  Speaker 1: Are we've been so conditioned to live in chronic stress
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  Speaker 1: that we don't even realize that we're literally functioning in
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  Speaker 1: that survival state of survival mode until we're not yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: until we're like, until we understand what it's like to
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  Speaker 1: be on the other side of that, we don't really
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  Speaker 1: get it. Are there some morning signs that tell us
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  Speaker 1: that we're stuck in survival mode?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, your blood pressure is one, absolutely, but also how
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  Speaker 4: you feel about your blood pressure. So a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people get stressed out about the number and so it's
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  Speaker 4: this vicious cycle of my numbers high. Now I'm stressed out,
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  Speaker 4: my number gets higher. It's making me more stressed out.
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  Speaker 4: And the other thing is looking at your sleep. So
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  Speaker 4: people that are not stressed sleep like babies. Babies are
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  Speaker 4: not stressed, that's what they That's why they call it
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  Speaker 4: sleep like a baby, because babies have no stress, or
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  Speaker 4: they shouldn't have stress anyway under normal circumstances. But when
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  Speaker 4: you are having trouble at three o'clock in the morning,
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  Speaker 4: waking up, wakeful periods, mind racing, heart racing, that's all
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  Speaker 4: cortisol symptoms. That's you being in a state of survival.
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  Speaker 4: And so those are the two things that I look
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  Speaker 4: at first when I'm talking to especially women.
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  Speaker 2: Again, you know, you can't help.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that your estrogen is dropping, but you are very,
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  Speaker 4: very susceptible to cortisol, even more so than men.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of people blame hormones, especially the women
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  Speaker 1: that you're speaking of who are forwarding above. You suggest
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  Speaker 1: that hormones may be the messenger.
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  Speaker 3: Can you explain that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So again, you know, it's like it's like blaming
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  Speaker 4: firemen for the fire because they're always there, you know,
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  Speaker 4: that's how we look at hormones and things like cholesterol.
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  Speaker 4: Cholesterol is also a hormone, Insulin is a hormone, Cortisol
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  Speaker 4: is a hormone. These are all very very useful tools
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  Speaker 4: that your body has to heal and repair you. But
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  Speaker 4: we use the system and then blame the hormones as
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  Speaker 4: the problem. So take let's take insulin for instance, Like
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  Speaker 4: insulin is a good thing that our body uses to
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  Speaker 4: control our blood sugar, but when our body is inundated
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  Speaker 4: with fat around our bellies because our quartersol is so high,
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  Speaker 4: our insulin receptors don't work as well, and so then
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  Speaker 4: our insulin isn't defective. And then we take artificial insulin
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  Speaker 4: in order to get our blood sugar down because we're diabetic.
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  Speaker 4: And I know this is kind of a complex, circular thinking,
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  Speaker 4: but that's how it's all related. And we are blaming
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  Speaker 4: the wrong pieces of the puzzle. We're blaming the insulin,
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  Speaker 4: we're blaming the quartersol, we're blaming the cholesterol for our problems.
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  Speaker 4: That's not the problem. The problem lies in the cause,
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  Speaker 4: and the cause is generally one of three parts of
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  Speaker 4: the blood pressure triangle that I talk about, and it's
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  Speaker 4: the stress, the cortisol, it's the blood sugar, your diet,
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  Speaker 4: and it's the lifestyle habits. You don't drink enough water,
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  Speaker 4: you don't walk enough, you don't sleep well enough, and
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  Speaker 4: those are the causes that are making those hormones the issue.
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  Speaker 2: If that makes any sense. I hope that wasn't too complicated.
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  Speaker 3: No, I get what you're saying. For sure.
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  Speaker 1: Our society likes to do quick fixes, and so often
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  Speaker 1: we liked if we're stressed out or not sleeping well,
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  Speaker 1: we like a solution. So we like to have well,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not sleeping well, it's because you're going through
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  Speaker 1: this and we're going to give you this to fix
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  Speaker 1: that one issue. But you're coming at it from a
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  Speaker 1: holistic viewpoint where it's like foundational, right, Like if you're
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  Speaker 1: not eating well, you're not sleeping well, you're not drinking
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  Speaker 1: enough water, you're not exercising. Of course it's going to
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  Speaker 1: affect your whole body. How does chronic stress affect the
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  Speaker 1: different hormones in general? So estrogen, prodesterone, testosterone, and thyroid functioning.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So the kind of the track that it takes
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  Speaker 4: is that, like I said, it, when it's needed, when
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  Speaker 4: quartisol is needed as an emergency, right, the body pulls
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  Speaker 4: the building blocks. I like to call them the lego
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  Speaker 4: system for building out hormones like your estrogen, your testosterone.
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  Speaker 4: That starts with building blocks, and your body takes the
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  Speaker 4: building blocks to build cortisol and then uses the cortisol
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  Speaker 4: to fuel the system that you're stressed about. Okay, but
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  Speaker 4: those building blocks start to run out because your cortisol
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  Speaker 4: is constantly pulling them, and so then the times that
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  Speaker 4: you need estrogen, the times you need testosterone, the times
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  Speaker 4: you need progesterone, which is a big one. Your progesterone
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  Speaker 4: is the feel good hormone. You can't make that because
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  Speaker 4: you're making so much cortisol. Your body just ran out
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  Speaker 4: of materials because it has to make this cortisol because
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  Speaker 4: you're so stressed out. It thinks you're running from a
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  Speaker 4: lion every single day. So it is in demand to
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  Speaker 4: make the cortisol, but it can't make these other hormones
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  Speaker 4: that are really going to balance out your life and
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  Speaker 4: make you feel amazing and like yourself again. And so
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  Speaker 4: that's really the crux of it. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of extra details in there that I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to complicate too much.
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  Speaker 2: But that's really the core.
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  Speaker 4: Issue is that cortisol is stealing from your body's ability
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  Speaker 4: to make the hormones that make you feel like yourself.
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  Speaker 1: So another part of your work is that that makes
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  Speaker 1: it unique is that you connect the stress and hormone
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  Speaker 1: health with blood pressure. As you mentioned earlier, most people
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  Speaker 1: think that blood pressure is a completely separate issue. Why
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  Speaker 1: isn't that the case?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, great question, because, like I'm saying, when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to how your body functions, the number on the blood
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  Speaker 4: pressure cuff is such a transient system. Like your number
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  Speaker 4: will change minute by minute by minute, based on how
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  Speaker 4: you feel, what you're thinking about, what you just ate.
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  Speaker 4: That number will constantly change. The question is why is
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  Speaker 4: that number so high? And why that number is so high.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a heart problem. People think that blood pressure
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  Speaker 4: high blood pressure is a heart problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 4: High blood pressure is a problem outside of your heart.
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  Speaker 4: It's a problem with the resistance that your body is
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  Speaker 4: giving your heart, and your body gives your heart resistance
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  Speaker 4: when your cortisol is high. Like I said, cortisol is
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  Speaker 4: designed to clamp your vessels down in your body so
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  Speaker 4: that the blood stays around your lungs and your heart
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  Speaker 4: and your stomach, and you know these areas that are
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  Speaker 4: designed to help you.
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  Speaker 2: Fight or flight.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So stress cortisol, your hormones are intimately connected with
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  Speaker 4: your blood pressure. And I haven't even gone into the
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  Speaker 4: blood sugar part, but that definitely is also another hormonal
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  Speaker 4: cascade that directly affects your blood pressure, and nobody really
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  Speaker 4: thinks about that. But you'll notice if you're diabetic, you're
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  Speaker 4: probably on some sort of blood pressure medication, but you
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  Speaker 4: have two different doctors treating two different problems and not connecting.
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  Speaker 1: The two for you, Do you want to go into
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  Speaker 1: a little more detail on the blood sugar.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, absolutely, So what happens is not the sugar,
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  Speaker 4: and that's another problem that we often face when you
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  Speaker 4: have diabetes. Your whole focus is on sugar, and that
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  Speaker 4: is not the problem. Your problem when you have diabetes
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  Speaker 4: is the fact that there is an excess amount of
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  Speaker 4: fat sitting on your insulin receptors, and so your insulin
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  Speaker 4: is just building up in your system and not being effective, okay,
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  Speaker 4: And that insulin sends all kinds of messages to places
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  Speaker 4: like your ovaries to stop producing hormones. And then also
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  Speaker 4: causes high blood pressure through that cascade as well. It
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  Speaker 4: causes your kidneys to hold on to sodium because when
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  Speaker 4: there's an excess of insulin in your system, there's a
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  Speaker 4: signal that goes to your kidneys and says.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, we've got a lot of sugar in the blood.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we're here.
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  Speaker 4: And when there's a lot of sugar in the blood,
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  Speaker 4: we need more water to dilute this blood. So how
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  Speaker 4: are we going to do that. We're going to use sodium,
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  Speaker 4: So kidneys pulled onto the sodium, water will follow and
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  Speaker 4: then we'll get this blood diluted out.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 4: In that process, your blood pressure goes through the roof. Sorry,
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  Speaker 4: hope that wasn't too complex either.
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  Speaker 3: No, that makes sense. That makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people are, you know,
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  Speaker 1: taking medications and are still not addressing the underlying cause
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  Speaker 1: of all this. So all this is really great information. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to have for sure. How much of blood pressure is
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle and stress versus metabolic health.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like a continuum in my head, and
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  Speaker 4: I've tried to separate them out to make it simple
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  Speaker 4: for people to understand. But when you look at it
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  Speaker 4: and you're like, you're looking at the stress and how
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  Speaker 4: that affects your lifestyle. Have It's some of the things
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  Speaker 4: that you're doing day to day causing more stress, like
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  Speaker 4: not getting enough sleep, not exercising, not drinking water. Dehydration
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  Speaker 4: is a stress on the body. Alcohol, tobacco, smoking, You know,
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  Speaker 4: these these habits that oftentimes we look at society socially
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  Speaker 4: normal and okay and nostalgic even in our society, are
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  Speaker 4: really really some of those core lifestyle triggers, not only
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  Speaker 4: for stress, but directly affecting blood pressure. Starbucks coffee, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I love coffee. I was a night nurse for nine years.
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  Speaker 4: I was a caffeine addict. But that was one of
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  Speaker 4: the first things that I had to address when I
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  Speaker 4: when I saw my blood pressure being a problem. And
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  Speaker 4: so things like that, when it comes to lifestyle directly
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  Speaker 4: and indirectly, affect both hormones and your blood pressure absolutely does.
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  Speaker 1: Like how does one night a week of you know,
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  Speaker 1: drinking coffee and having alcohol and using tobacco affect the body.
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  Speaker 1: Because I know some people who say, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: do it every once in a while or once a.
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  Speaker 3: Week, so it's not a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: What are the effects of using substances like that on
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  Speaker 1: the body, even weekly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So it's hard to necessarily quantify the one
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  Speaker 4: time a week, but from my experience, one time a
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  Speaker 4: week doesn't generally stay one time a week. It may
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  Speaker 4: for a little while, but oftentimes it's one of those
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  Speaker 4: things that your body adjusts to those doses and then
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  Speaker 4: stops being affected as easily. And so that's why we
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  Speaker 4: turn up the dial a little bit. That's why are
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  Speaker 4: once a week coffee turns into two or three times,
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  Speaker 4: because you're no longer getting that buzz, you're no longer
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  Speaker 4: feeling it, and so you have to turn it up
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  Speaker 4: to feel the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: So that's just how your body works.
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  Speaker 4: Necessarily that you're an addict per se, It's just that
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: your body adjusts to those things and you no longer
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: feel the same way that you felt, you know, three
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: months ago when you started this once a week thing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. That makes sense. So what is the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: cost of ignoring the signals? So let's talk about consequences
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: when people ignore the signs of chronic stress for many,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: many years. What does that do over a decade or
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: two decades, and how does that affect the body as
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a whole.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: And that's really where my high acuity nursing comes in.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Working in the ICU, working in the trauma bay of
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: the emergency rooms, that really gave me a front row
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: seat to the cost. And there's nothing more haunting than
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: seeing the face of someone who realizes that the cost
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: was too high, that there is.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: No going back from this moment.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: A heart attack that wipes them out or they have
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: a stroke, they're never going to talk again, they're never
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: going to walk again. And you see it on their face,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: and it's almost like they want to go back in time.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: They want to tell as many people as they can
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: it's not worth it. And that's the picture that I
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: always have in my mind when I'm looking at people
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: that are just on the beginning, you know, of this journey.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: They're like, you know, my blood pressure is a little
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: bit high. Yeah it seems okay. You know, I think
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: I'm okay, but I do want to do a little something,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: but I'm not sure. I'm like, listen, you need to
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: start now because the cost is too great. Your blood
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: pressure will eventually affect your organs, Your hormones unchecked will
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: affect your fertility, will affect how you handle your later life, Alzheimer's, dementia,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: those are all now called diabetes type four and five pcos.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: That's all blood sugar related, and that's all things that
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: lifestyle put in place that could have been checked years ago.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: So yeah, for sure.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Now I want to touch on the hormone replacement therapy
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: just because it's becoming stife so popular right now, especially
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: for women's health and those perimenopauzle symptoms. And so if
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you go ahead and optimize hormone levels, will your body
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: adjust or what happens if you're still under chronic stress? Like,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: give us your thoughts on hormone therapy, replacement therapy and
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: how that will help with stress.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Great question, and it's a very controversial one. You've kind
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: of thrown me into hot water here, but.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: It it's it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: So the issue with hormone replacement therapy, and this is
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I almost don't even talk about it, but I do
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: tell people. Listen, if you get breast cancer or ovarian cancer,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: the very first thing your oncologists will do is take
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: you off of hormone replacement therapy. And the reason is
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: because they know that that is the gasoline to the fire.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Of cancer.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: The second thing is that the hormone placement therapies they
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: are seeking to address a natural problem with an artificial solution.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: So they're using a lot of what they call zeno
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: estrogens and things which force the body to do certain
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: things hormonally. And you can only force the body so
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: long and so hard before the system starts to break
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: down and you start to have side effects like ovarian
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: and breast cancers because you force the body into something
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: that it wasn't it was it was. It was basically
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: signaling that something's wrong with our system. The hormones are
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: out of whack. Yes, but there's a reason they're out
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: of whack. So we're sending you a signal that they're
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: out of whack, and all you're doing is ignoring the
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: signal and smothering the signal with a pillow and saying, Okay,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: we're fixing the problem because you no longer have the symptoms. No,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: you're not, You're just you're just ignoring the problem underneath
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: by smothering the alarm with hormone replacement. So yes, it
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: does work to an extent, and it will work for
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: a little while, just like blood pressure pills, just like
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: insulin that you shoot into your system. It'll work for
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: a while, but the problem that's causing that is still
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: not fixed, and that is going to get bigger and
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: bigger and bigger and bigger and finally break something right.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So there's also the bioidentical hormone replacement therapy and and
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff isn't approved by health the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: health system. But is there a difference between the types
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of hormones people are using.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: So there is definitely grades. There is certain things that
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: are better than others. I will hand I will give
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: them that. However, the principle still remains like if you're
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: not willing to dig into the cause, you're still not
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: fixing the problem. You're still trying to fix the symptoms.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: No matter what kind of grade hormones you're using. Yes
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: they're better, Yes they're more gentle on the body, maybe
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: more bioidentical, but the reason they're out of balance still
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: needs to be addressed. And oftentimes it's not really really complex.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Stress.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: We'll throw that whole system all off, and you can
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: try and take the hormone replacement without fixing the stress,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: and it will help for a while, but eventually that
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: stress is going to override any hormone replacement that you're taking.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Cortisol is far more powerful than hormone replacement therapy.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: So let's shift to the solution because I bet you
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of listeners out there that recognize themselves
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in this conversation and are wondering how do they start
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to feel better and to help their stress and cortisol.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: What are some of the first three things that you
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: would have someone do that is living in chronic stress.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great question.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I think the first thing is to identify the cause,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: so asking why why am I stress? Trying to really
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: figure out what the source of your stress might be,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: and that maybe you know what's happening in your life
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: right now, but again it might be in your past,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: or it might be in the future. Maybe there's something
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: you're worried and anxious about in the future that's coming
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: up and it's stressing you out. So identifying the cause
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: is number one.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Number two.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: There are supplements that you can take that will cut
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: your quartersol up to thirty things like ashwagandha, things like saffron.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Magnesium is another great supplement to take for stress. I
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: don't promote people to be on supplements for the rest
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: of your life. I want you to find the cause
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: and fix the cause, and then the symptoms will go away.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: But supplementation is a great bridge until you're able to really.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Get control of that cause.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: And number three, I would say if you're under a
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: lot of stress and you just really need help overcoming
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: your stress is a brain trick that I was taught.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Because the brain can't focus on two things at once. Okay,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: so yeah, you may be a woman and you think
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: you're a master multitasker, but really your brain is just
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: switching from one thing to another efficiently.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: So, since your brain can't focus on two things at once,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: there's a trick you can do to bring your quarter's
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: all down almost immediately, and that is learning gratitude. Speaking gratitude,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: writing gratitude, down things you're thankful for. So oftentimes you
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: might feel like there's nothing I'm thankful for. It's very difficult,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: but I promise you, since I've worked in the trauma
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: bay in people that can't breathe, that's all they want
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: in life. They give everything for another breath. Breathing is
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: something you can be thankful for every two or three seconds.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: So learning gratitude. And that's not a religious thing. This
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: is a scientifically studied concept where if you focus your
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: brain on gratitude, you cannot be stressed at the same time.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: So your court isol almost immediately begins to drop. So
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: as you get into those panic attacks or those anxiety attacks,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: or those anger attacks from something in your past, if
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: you immediately revert to writing down twenty things that you're
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: thankful for or saying aloud twenty things that you're thankful for,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: it will retrain your brain in that moment to no
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: longer go fight or flight cascade and instead put you into.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: What are the biggest lifestyle changes with the fastest returns
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: in your opinion.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: That's a good one.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Biggest lifestyle changes for the fastest return probably fixing your sleep, Yeah,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: because I think really sleep is one of those things
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: that society has looked at not getting enough as normal.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Another one of those clubs we talked about just like
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: if you're sleeping really well, you're weird, Like, so fixing
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: your sleep and those are truth.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I stayed up all night. We're you know, on
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: a project, and I'm super cool.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Because of this, right exactly exactly, But get aiming for
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: eight hours of sleep a night is what your body
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: really needs to run it optimal. And the way you
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: can do that is getting off screens an hour before bed,
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: drinking enough water because your body wakes you up because
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: it thinks it's dehydrated. People try to stop drinking water
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: because they don't want to get up to pee. Your
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: body will wake you up because it needs water. So
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: drinking enough water before bed, getting off screens an hour
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: before bed gets your melotonin turned on, and then again addressing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Where are you stressed?
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Because that three am wake is most likely cortisol, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: so finding your stress and yeah, so fixing sleep. I
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: think that's probably the biggest return on investment.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And the next question I have is how can someone
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: feel safe in their body again, because ultimately we're talking
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: about being in survival mode and I think a lot
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: of people don't feel safe in their bodies.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: How do we begin that process?
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I think the first thing is under standing what your
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: body is saying. Like your body's shouting at you, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: that's why you feel unsafe, Like you're like.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Why is this person shouting at me? It's scaring me.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, you feel unsafe because you don't understand what the
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: shouting is about. And the shouting is not something to
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: be afraid of. It's something to examine, is something to
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: lean into and say, Okay, what is behind this alarm?
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Where do I need to make some adjustments so that
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I can turn the alarm off and not have these
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: problems anymore. And the other reason I think people are
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: afraid is this that getting older is scary, Like the
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: horizon looks really bleak when you get older, nursing homes,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: peeing into a bag, all these things look really scary,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: but they are not inevitable. It's a matter of figuring
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: out why the alarm goes off. All those people in
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: nursing homes and peeing in bags and pooping in bags
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: and all that scary stuff are the people that ignored
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: the alarms for too long?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Can you tell us some success stories? What are some
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of the big, biggest success stories that you've seen.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I've seen so many, and it's always
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: great to end on good news because really, I've seen
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: people reverse so much in such a short period of time.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: In fact, when I was out walking with my wife
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: this morning, we were talking about that. When I was
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: at training to do this naturopathic work. I was fresh
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: out of the ICU as a nurse still and I
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: was learning these things, and I was seeing these people
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: come in on five and six blood pressure medications, tons
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: of insulin, and within three and four days they were
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: off everything. And I'm like, wait, WHOA is this safe?
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Like my wife was like, is this safe? Like are
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: we like breaking some sort of rules? And I'm like,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Like they're alive, they're there, they were
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: doing fine, they feel great, their numbers are normal, So
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess, yes, it's safe. But that's what
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: happens when you listen to the signal and give your
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: body a chance to just fix the problem. Within a
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: few matter of days, you are able to see results
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: of your body reversing these things that your doctor told
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: you you're going to have for life. You know, that's
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: one of the things we love to say in the
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: healthcare system is that you're stuck with this for life.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: And it's not because we don't believe things can be cured.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: It's because we know that most people don't want to
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: do the work to fix it and they just want
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: to take a pill.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: But not everybody's like that. And if you're listening to this.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: You're probably one of those people that wants to know
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: how to fix it, and so I'm here to tell
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: you that it's very fixable. You just have to start
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: listening to the signals and learning the education that is
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: appropriate for your body.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and so people, My next question was going
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to be how quickly can people start feeling?
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: But you answer that saying it can happen within a
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: few days.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, once people start healing. What does healing actually
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: look like? So many people talk about, Oh, I'm in
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: a healing phase.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: So that's the other thing, like when it comes to healing,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: that the healthcare system has just totally warped our brains
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: over because we have, as a nurse and I'm saying
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: we because I'm a nurse, we have figured out a
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: way to make you think that taking a pill every
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: single day for the rest of your life is healing.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: But if you really think about it, if that pill
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: was healing you, you'd maybe take it a week, maybe
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: two weeks, and you would not have to take it
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: ever again if it healed you. And so that is
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: not healing. My understanding of healing is what I teach
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: and what I teach is, do not stop your medications.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: We're not trying to get anybody in trouble. Don't stop
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: your medications. I'm going to help you identify the cause.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: We're going to supplement your medications with natural stuff. I'm
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: going to put you on a couple supplements magnesium, hibiscus, tea,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: raw garlic, ashaganda for stress. And as you continue taking
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: your medications, but you add these things in, your blood
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: pressure is going to start returning to normal before you
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: take your blood pressure pill. Now, at this point, you
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: need to talk to your doctor because you're going to
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: tell your doctor, listen, I don't need my blood pressure
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: pill today.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: What do I do?
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: He's going to start cutting your medications in half, start
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: weeding you off those pills. Same with your insulin. The
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: things that we do to address the cause are going
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: to require less and less insolent, which you need to
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: allow your doctor to manage. When your doctor finally takes
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: you off of your medication because you're healed, we also
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: take you off of your.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Supplements because you're healed.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Then we take your blood pressure cuff and me throw
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: it in the trash because you're healed. That's the method
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: of healing that most people have no clue about because
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: it just it doesn't even make sense because we've been
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: so trained by the healthcare system to just treat symptoms,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: not heal the problem.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And people like you said, there's a lot of
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: people there that don't want to do the work, and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: so when they're given a pill to take to you know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: treat their symptoms, and they want to do that, and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: because it does it it's it takes a lot of
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: work to heal the body and discipline and you know,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: saying no to things and saying yes to yourself and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: choosing your health.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do see a shift in the world right
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: now where being healthy is becoming more of a fad,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Like there's more sober night dance parties and you know,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: alcohol free beverages and.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Like even celebrities are promoting the sober living right, and
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: it's becoming more of a fad.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: So that's a really good sign.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And I think, you know, people are seeing
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: more and more that treating symptoms is a bad ending
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: and so you do have to prioritize your health more.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: And I think baby boomers too are behind a lot
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: of this because they're some of the most health conscious
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: older generations we've ever seen, and so they're pushing for
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: a lot of legislation and changes in the systems and
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: things to focus more on prevention rather than symptom management.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, m yeah, for sure. So now I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: have a few rapid fire questions for you. What is
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the most misunderstood hormone symptom?
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Insomnia?
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: What about the most misunderstood blood pressure?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Myth that blood pressure is.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, good one? The most overlooked sign of chronic stress.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: M that's a good one. I want to say insomnia again? Okay, yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: What about one habit that everyone should stop what did
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: you say.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I said? Or headaches? Insomnia or headaches?
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, rabbit, that everyone should stop.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Habit that everyone should stop it's gonna hurt, but caffeine.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: What about one habit that everyone should start?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Water? More water?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: And what is one thing that you wish every woman
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: knew about hormones.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: That there's a fix that is not something that they
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: have to live with for their entire older period of
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: their life.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Well that gives me hope for sure. And it's been
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: so much fun talking to you, Joel. Tell everyone more
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: about what you do and where people can find you.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, So this conversation about hormones is exactly why my
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: wife and I have put together a in person event
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: and it's the first one of many, but for this
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: first one, we have an extounding crew coming in Barbara O'Neil,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Dana Gresh, Mommy Mango, Jamie Cross. These are all names
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: you probably are familiar with on YouTube.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Millions of followers.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: They're all going to be on stage talking specifically about
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: how to balance your hormones, natch. And this event is
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: going to be June twenty fourth and twenty fifth here
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  Speaker 4: in Louisville, Kentucky. Restore her Hormones dot com for information.
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  Speaker 4: It's not going to be the last live event that
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  Speaker 4: we put on, so restore her Hormones dot com for
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  Speaker 4: If you miss this one, be ready for the next one.
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  Speaker 4: Because it's such an important topic when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: women's health that nobody's talking about. This is going to
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  Speaker 4: be the first of its kind event specifically talking about
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  Speaker 4: women's hormones.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what me and my wife do.
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  Speaker 4: We really focus on these issues like blood pressure, hormones,
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  Speaker 4: blood sugar that a lot of people have wrong they
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  Speaker 4: have wrong ideas about it. They think that it's a
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  Speaker 4: lifetime sentence and it's not. And so Restore her Hormones
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  Speaker 4: dot Com is where you can find information about that.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm on TikTok, Facebook, and Instagram, Brave works RN.
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  Speaker 4: We've got over four hundred thousand followers at this point,
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  Speaker 4: So I'm excited to be able to share this with
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  Speaker 4: so many people that are in this exact situation and
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  Speaker 4: give you hope, give you good news that there is
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  Speaker 4: a way, there is a way to fix this naturally.
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  Speaker 1: So I love that, and I love that you're on
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  Speaker 1: here talking about this stuff and that you are one
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  Speaker 1: of the people out there that are, you know, setting
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  Speaker 1: people straight and looking to fix the root problem instead
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  Speaker 1: of just putting a band aid on you know, the symptoms.
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  Speaker 1: And so thank you so much for being here. Is
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  Speaker 1: there any last minute thoughts that you'd like to leave
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  Speaker 1: the audience with today.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just keep asking why, you know, just keep looking
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  Speaker 4: for the cause and that will push you in the
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  Speaker 4: right directions always.
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  Speaker 3: That's great advice.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you so much, Joel for being here, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you to our audience for tuning in. If there's
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  Speaker 1: one message, I hope people take away from this conversation,
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  Speaker 1: It's that your bodies are not working against you, your
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  Speaker 1: symptoms are not random, and your body is always communicating.
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  Speaker 3: But the question is are you going to start paying attention.
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  Speaker 1: So, again, Joel, thanks for helping us understand how stress, hormones,
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  Speaker 1: and metabolism and blood pressure are all connected, and more importantly,
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  Speaker 1: how people can start reclaiming their health. We'll make sure
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  Speaker 1: to have Joel's information in the show notes, so you
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  Speaker 1: got to have access to his website and his talk
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  Speaker 1: with all those famous people that know so much about hormones.
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  Speaker 1: That'll be an amazing event to attend, so check out
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  Speaker 1: the show notes for links for that, and stay tuned
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  Speaker 1: for the next episode.
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  Speaker 3: Take care, everybody,