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Burnout- It's Getting Hot in Herre · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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We'd make it work, but we sug it out a little bit, but
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still it was. It was rough, burnout, thug it out. This
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is Millennial Mental Health Channel. I'm doctor Justin Romano, a child adolescent psychiatry
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Eeea, this is Cowboy Tom and then see as a production of Spreaker from
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our Heart Media. All right, Eddie, are you burned out? No?
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Not currently? That's what we're talking about today, burnout. Tell us
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why we're talking about burnout? Oh? Why not talk about burnout? I
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don't know. Every time we come up with an idea for the episode,
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For our episodes, it's kind of like we'll usually have like a bank of
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ideas, right, justin like they will have ideas that we've float around for
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a while. We'll have ones that just kind of pop up, especially if
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you look at like our popular culture ones. But I think burnout is just
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one. As I was trying to get ready for what we wanted to talk
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about, I'm seeing it all over I'm teaching my grad school class right now.
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I know my students are pushing through to end this in the semester.
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We have a few weeks left, but I know they're working through it.
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And they've told me, like people have straight up told me like they need
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a break. They've used the word burnout. They've told me in journal reflections
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that they're having a hard time. They're just telling me. So I'm hearing
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it. I see it. I know they're doing their best. I feel
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for them. When I was in the program years ago, now, I
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just remember, but that first year, going from end of August all the
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way till middle end of July of the next year is a lot long ass
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time. Like, yeah, we had Thanksgiving and Christmas and Spring break.
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There's a long ass time to be in school. And I know Dan and
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Kevy when they were in autometry school, they had that long year after their
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first year where they didn't have a summer break anymore. And I'm sure for
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med school same thing. You had a long, long school year. So
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it's tough. I get it. I feel it. Burnout is rough.
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I see it a lot on Reddit too. It it comes up every once
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in a while on the therapist. I've read it about burnout. So I
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just want to talk about it. I want to normalize it a little more
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and just let people know we see you, were there for you, we
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feel you. It's tough. We got to be aware of our feelings and
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our emotions if we want to fix them or make them better or make them
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more tolerable. So if you're feeling a little bit of burnout and you clicked
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on this thinking like, yeah, I'm feel a little bit of burnout,
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I could use some information on this. We hope that you feel heard and
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understand that a lot of people feel this and it's normal, and hopefully get
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some tips on how to combat burnout a little bit too, and to know
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we can bounce back. We can always bounce back, but how we bounce
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back it'll depend. But when I think of burnout, I think back to
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you know, now I've worked in three different settings. My very first setting,
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community mental health, which is like burnout central. I remember where we
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had the busy times and we had the slow times. Like busy times was
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started the school year, big stressor for kids. I worked primarily with teenagers.
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Picked back up a little bit kind of in the spring, and then
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summertime was super slow, So those are kind of times where you'd kind of
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recharge a little bit. I think when I worked at the hospital, there
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really wasn't a slow time because it was COVID. I think we've talked about
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this, eating disorder. Rates just shot through the roof. We had a
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waitlist all the time, like we were always had patients, a patient,
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discharge, new patient next day, So you know, there wasn't really a
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slow time. But now I think about in a school setting, like I
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have like very definitive like start and stop times, which I think has been
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really helpful for me to not really feel burnout. And I try to not
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say this I'm on summer break now. I try not to say to my
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coworkers anymore because they kind of slapped me on the wrist when I used to.
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But I don't really think I need a full summer break, like I
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get a couple of weeks into it, I'm okay to go back to work,
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but I'll take the summer. I know, like there's not a whole
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lot of perks in education, you know, so to have a full summer
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break, to have the other breaks, it's helpful, and I know it
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just makes me think and I reflect, like I feel very fortunate to feel
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like I don't need the whole summer break, that I'm in a position now,
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a job now where I can feel like I'm recharging and there's tough times,
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but I can recharge throughout the year where I don't feel like I need
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like an extended break. Unfortunately, I didn't have that in my first two
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jobs, but I do now. But yeah, I think that's another reason
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why we have today's episode. So I want to let Justin do our first
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story time. I'll share my story after I've rambled enough, but I'll pass
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the mic to you. Justin hit us with a story. And I just
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wanted to say too that Nan I would kill for a summer break. That
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sounds great, no complaints. My neighbor's a school counselor and he's off for
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the summer, and he's just out on the boat every day, just spending
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time with his family doing fun stuff NonStop. And I'm just like, I
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wanted to do that too. A shout out school counselors. Yeah, shout
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out school counselors. So for my story time talking about burnout, a lot
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of doctors feel burnout. It's just a crazy field. And like Eddie said,
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med school's wild where you're just drinking from the fire hose, just trying
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to take in as much information as possible and spouted out on tests. Every
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test could be the end of your career if you can't pass it, which
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is really stressful. Then you get into residency and it's like you're constantly being
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graded, you're constantly being judged, you're constantly being evaluated on whether you're good
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enough to do this. It's just a lot of stress. It's a lot
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of pressure, and a lot of people, especially at the end of residency,
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are feeling a lot of burnout. Some of my friends are finally I
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graduated last year, but a lot of my friends are graduating this year and
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they're telling me I'm done. I want to change a pace, a change
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a scenery. I get like I feel burned out. I would need something
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different. And mental health is just a hard feel to work in too,
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and I love it and I wouldn't be doing anything else, which is why
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I want to stick with it. And I know I should go to therapy
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and that would probably help prevent me from getting burnt out, but I have
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not done it yet, and I'm still trying to figure out why I haven't.
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I keep saying at the time thing, but who knows, Probably just
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a great excuse. But when work gets overwhelming, I find myself getting a
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little angry sometimes, like I yell in the car on my drive home.
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Sometimes I just kind of get really numb and just drive home in silence,
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just feeling nothing. I had a situation a couple of weeks ago where I
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had a really rough week where I had some urgent patients that needed to be
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seen, so I sacrificed my well being and pushed them into my schedule and
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stayed late and worked with them. And then I also had like a bad
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migraine that week, and I had a patient fire me because of a documentation
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error that I had made. I put something in the chart wrong, they
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didn't like it, and they fired me. And so just like just a
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bad week. After that week, I felt pretty burnt out. Plus it
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was right at the end of the school year when all my patients were already
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stressed, so it was just a high stress time. So I set some
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healthy boundaries with work. I told them, like, hey, I can't
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keep doing those extra intakes seeing those new patients that need to come in urgently.
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I can't be sacrificing myself to just pump as many people through the clinic
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as possible. I did a lot of crying, like I had one of
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my car rides. I just cried and cried hard. I sobbed. I
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needed to get it all out, all that pressure, all that anger,
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all that frustration, all that sadness, all that stress. I needed to
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let it out through my tear ducts. And I rearranged my time off schedule
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a little bit to just spend more time with the family, spend more time
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outside. It's like, my main point here with this story is that I
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tried to actively recover after I had like a really really hard week where I
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felt like garbage. I felt kind of burned out. I try to do
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something about it, and it helped. So I'm not perfect by any means,
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but if I do have any advice for you, it's be mindful of
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those things, know your warning signs, know when you're feeling that burnout,
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and try and make a change, Try and do something to make yourself feel
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better in a healthy and positive way. Man, thanks for sharing. It
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is so hard. I think like when you work in a profession where your
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job is to help other people, it feels like we don't always help ourselves
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and we kind of give us to the end. It's hard, but we
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got to get you the therapy. What the fuck, dude, I know
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it's time. Time's up on Justin. If you need help, let me
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know. I can just give me your insurance. I'll look for a provide
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that's true. You're good at this well, I know psychologytoday dot com is
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a really good place to find. That's what I usually recommended people. Well,
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thank you again, dude. I appreciate it. I'm glad you feel
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better. I'm glad you could let it out. The catharticness of crying is
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real. I don't know enough people think about that. It's tough for men.
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A lot of men have been trained from a very young age, hey
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don't cry. That message has been repeated to young men for centuries, and
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boy does it keep us stuck and emotionally stuck. So I always just try
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and say, like, I'm a huge I'm a huge crier. I need
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to let it out otherwise I just feel terrible. There's no crying in baseball.
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I hate that exact story. So yeah, I think so it's getting
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ready for today. Really just reflecting on my first two jobs and knowing that
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I was starting to experience burnout when I didn't really have a word for it
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or well, how really describe it? Really for me, the signs were
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if there was any time I'd wake up and snooze, like a bunch of
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times in a row, or like get to work at the last minute because
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I just couldn't get out of bed. There are times where I would just
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call in sick and say I was taking a mental health day. Like when
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that was started to become more frequent, I knew I needed a break.
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There's even a couple of times in my first job in community mental health,
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I started to have dreams about work, and like that's like right, people
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joke about that of like, oh, when you're having dreams about work,
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that's not a great sign. It is not a good sign for me.
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It was not a good sign, and I knew shit was wrong. I
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knew another sign would be that I would get to work. And as much
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as I loved my coworkers and my clients and patients, I'll say this and
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all the jobs I've worked so far, all three settings, Community Mental Health,
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Hospital, School, I love so much, the clients that I've had,
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the students that have had, the patients, just get into work with
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them, share space with them. I've loved my coworkers, the people I
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get to work with on a daily basis. But when I was burnt out,
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like I would like immediately be in a bad mood, and it really
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would like I would walk into the building and just be like I'm fucked this,
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like not be thrilled. There's always something that would upset me. Not
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a whole lot could be done. And actually the first time I went to
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see a therapist was related to just the work stress and just not being really
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able to manage it and not being able to work through it. I know
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that a lot of people will say like, oh, working out is great
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for me, like it helps me be stressed. I'm just not one of
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those people. I work out a decent amount. I could probably work out
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more right, a little better or whatever. I work out a decent amount,
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but like that even didn't do it for me. Like I'm not one
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of those people like, oh, I gotta go lift some heavyweights and I'll
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feel better. I'm more of just like, damn, I'm kind of tired
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now, but I don't feel But now I'm just tired and don't feel better.
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So like the exercise I part really didn't do it for me. Therapy
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helped. My therapist helped a lot, but ultimately, right, there were
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just things that were out of my control and I just couldn't really stay in
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those settings for much longer. So things changed. I We'll talk about what
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we can do for burnout in a little bit, but that's my story.
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It's one that I've thought about a decent amount and really makes me feel really
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fortunate to be where I'm out now with my job of like feeling that I'm
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not burnt out, and I really do appreciate that. Cool. It sounds
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like this job is so much a better balance for you. Yes, I
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think the consistent schedule of like I start working this time, I get off
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at this time, not having to do the long hours, like the hospital
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and not having to I don't know, there's just so much more the support.
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Same thing feeling like and we'll talk about it a little bit, but
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like feeling like I have autonomy and I can kind of choose what to do
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and so much better. I've talked about this a lot. I always seem
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to bring up Reddit. I always seem to bring up the therapist Subreddit seriously,
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like once a week. Once every other week, burnout gets brought up.
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And if you're a therapist at all, clinician and you want to say
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an anonymous community that you can get some ideas from, get some support from
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the therapist, one is pretty good on Reddit. There's you can find resources.
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I just did my students did a presentation on ACT acceptance and Commitment therapy
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this week. I was able to just provide a few slides on resources and
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I found a good amount of resources from Reddit. So there's a plug for
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that. But the definition of burnout, what is burnout? Because it is
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a real thing. So according to the American Psychological Association, the APA,
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burnout is physical, emotional, or mental exhaustion accompanied by decreased motivation, lowered
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performance, and negative attitudes towards oneself and others. It results from performing at
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a high level until stress intention especially from extreme and prolonged physical or mental exertion
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or an over burdening workload take their toll. Basically, you're working a lot.
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Work is hard. It's taking a toll. In listening to that definition,
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like, what's the difference between burnout and depression? Is it just the
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situation? Maybe? Yeah, yeah, super similar. Yeah, a lot
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of overlap between them. Yeah. So the word was first used in this
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sense in nineteen seventy five by US psychologist Herbert J. Fudenberger, who lived
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from nineteen twenty six to nineteen ninety nine. Great Year the Other Matrix came
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out Fantasy film in referring to workers in clinics with heavy case loads. Burnout
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is most often observed in professionals who work in service oriented vocations, for example,
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social workers, teachers, correctional officers, and experienced chronic high levels of
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stress. Psychiatrists, yes, school counselors, school counselors. You know.
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Nineteen ninety nine is also the year that Y two K was a thing.
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I don't remember it much, but I've listened to podcasts I talk about it
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and it seemed like a scary time. Yeah, everyone was worried. Yeah,
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uh, well, with burnout, it could be part particularly acute in
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therapists or counselors who do trauma work. That's that's a tough thing to do
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day in and day out, and these are ones who feel overwhelmed by their
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cumulative secondary trauma of witnessing the effects of witnessing what's going on with their clients
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and patients. B NOT is also experienced by athletes when continually explode exposed to
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stress associated with performance without commiserate rewards or rest. That makes sense. I
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can't imagine being an athlete constantly having thousands and thousands of people judging you,
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talking talking shit about you. Like it's a lot of pressure. And we
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did a whole episode on like what it's like to be an athlete in the
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mental health struggles that they have, and they are at a higher rate for
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depression and anxiety than the general population. Well, you know, when you
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add something like social media and like people feeling like they I don't know,
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I feel like people feel really entitled that they need to know stuff about like
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professional athletes and like celebrities, like personal lives all the time or like they
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deserve answers and ship and like, I can't imagine that toll of like I
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don't know you see on TikTok all the time, like if celebrity couples or
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TikTok celebrity couples. I'm thinking one specifically. It was, uh, this
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girl who I think was like TikTok famous on her own and then her husband
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or her fiance was in the NFL. I don't remember either their names totally
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fine, but they broke up recently and like people were like, what happened?
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What you need to give us the details? Like, no, the
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fuck they don't. They're gonna tell you shit. Yeah was it Barrios,
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No, it was Tiana or Tea something. Is the girl Taylor Swift and
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Travis Kelser No, that would be way different if they broke but yeah,
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it's just like in this age of social media and like people, yeah,
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just feeling entitled, like I need to know this information. And then you
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add that with like damn, I'm not doing well or my team is sucking
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now and I'm part of the problem. Like that is so much pressure and
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a lot of people too. Unless you're like the top of the top in
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your sport, whether it's you know, football, baseball, basketball, gymnastics,
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tennis, soccer, whatever, it is, like, unless you're at
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the top of the top, the other people kind of in a sense are
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like fighting for their livelihood and their jobs. So that's like they got that
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too. That's rough some of the research on this stuff. There's a paper
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from Steel at All twenty fifteen, and Steel is way too easy of a
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name, Eddie. Come on, pick a paper with harder name pronounced,
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please, I want to challenge so Steel twenty fifteen published a study in the
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Journal of Mental Health that identified workload and lack of autonomy, like Eddie mentioned
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earlier, as factors that contributed to decreased job satisfaction and increased job turnover for
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therapists. The study also mentioned the importance of managers and supervisors to be aware
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of this so that they can try to limit the potential of therapist coping all
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of this by depersonalizing their clients. Yeah, and I've seen this too with
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psychiatrists. If they they're burned out, they stop trying to make a connection
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with their patients. And that's that's just such a terrible spot to be because
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that's kind of the best part about being a psychiatrist too, is the connections
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with the patients. So it just makes things astronomically worse. Yeah, you
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know, I knew a psychiatrist at one point who we were going into a
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team meeting for one of our patients and they had to like stop me on
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the way in and be like, hey, can you can you tell me
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a little more about can you remind me about this patient? And just knowing
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like all the stuff they were doing, and this was one where they like
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every there's like one day a week or one day every other week they were
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gone because they were traveling to another state because they worked in that state,
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and they were just they're the chief of this and the Yeah, that fart
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is tough. And I think too, I think about that with with community
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mental health of like therapists who have caseloads of like forty fifty, sixty seventy
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clients, How are you supposed to remember every single person to the amount that
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they deserve as a client and as their therapist? Like that's yeah. The
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other story we wanted to mention was from Rosenberg and Pace Sorry still kind of
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easy last names. It's from two thousand and six. They identified hours work
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per week and job setting as factors that contributed to possible burnout. So,
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just if are you working and I didn't read all the specifics, but is
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it They didn't really give like this number of hours per week. It should
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be like where you cap it at, but it's like, are you working
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too much? Is this job setting something that's given you a lot of stress?
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Those can all be things that helped lead to burnout unfortunately. They also
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cited that new clinicians should consider adopting self care strategies and peer support to help
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decrease their chance to burning out, which I think were things that were really
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helpful for me. You know in my other jobs, of like I had
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that I had that peer support, maybe not as much as the self care
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strategies, but the peer support was really one of the things that was most
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helpful to me. Yeah, I got a lot of the self care,
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but not a lot of the peer support. Because I'm the only child adolescent
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psychiatrist in the city, so i don't have anyone to run things by.
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Luckily, I've got my support group and support system from residency, and I'll
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run things past some of my former attendings and things, but yeah, a
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little less. I felt a little out on an island, being the only
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child psychiatrist in town. I think that's where a lot of like private practice
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therapists struggle too, is that they start to feel alone. And like,
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I think private practice offers people a lot of great benefits, like setting your
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schedule. I was thinking about this. I was on a walk the other
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day and I was like, you know, if I was in private practice,
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like I like check my watch. I was like, it's like eight
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thirty right now, I could like finish my walk, get back to my
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house, first client at nine, nine thirty, be done by like three
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o'clock, four o'clock if I wanted to. That seems pretty nice, but
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then you lose. There's also the part of like that peer support that you
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might have of working in a clinic where someone's right next to you and you
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can just talk to them, So that does get hard. I didn't I
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did not realize you were one of one. Yeah, I think there are
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four in the whole state and only one in the city of Cheyenne. Were
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a desperate need of child adolescent psychiatrist. So if any young people are out
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there thinking about a career choice. There's jobs for you. Consider the thirteen
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year long road of becoming a child psychiatrist. You're really saw that it's worth
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it if it's what you like to do, which I do. But from
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the mail clinic, here are some questions to ask yourself if you think you
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might be experiencing burnout? Do you question the value of your work? Do
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you drag yourself to work and have trouble getting started? Do you feel removed
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from your work and the people you work with? Have you lost patients with
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coworkers, customers, or clients. Oh that was a good one. After
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that patient fired me. A couple of weeks ago, one of my nurses
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like forgot to get vital signs on one of my patients and I literally literally
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like snapped my fingers at her. I was like, Hi, come on,
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like we gotta we can't keep messing up like this. I snapped at
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her a little bit, but I made sure to apologize afterwards, explain the
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situation and said I'm sorry, like it was just a really bad moment for
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me and I should not have done that, And she was really gracious about
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it. So yeah, up next, Do you lack the energy to do
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your job. Well, is it hard to focus on your job? Do
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you feel a little satisfaction from what you get done? Do you feel let
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down by your job? Do you doubt your skills and abilities? Well,
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this is a good one that I think I've mentioned this during COVID. I
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think I was a lot of us were filing burnt out. But I remember
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used to be like I'd go home and like drink a beer and then like
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sometimes it was like two, right, and it was just like it was
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basically like self medicating. So this next one is are you using food,
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drugs, or alcohol to feel better or to know how you feel? That
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A lot of these are hitting home from those those times in my life.
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But yeah, absolutely, I've certainly fallen into that trap at certain times in
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my life too. Yeah, and then have your sleep habits changed. I
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noticed that when I'm really stressed, I'm feeling kind of burned out. I
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have chronic nightmares about having to go back to junior high and I'm also having
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to be a doctor at the same time. And they're like, if you
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don't go back to algebra one and finish it, then you can't be a
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doctor anymore. Just so stupid, but it's just all the time I have
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those treats. I don't know if I've mentioned this out loud, but this
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school year in particular, Again, I love my job, but man,
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it was it was tough, like the end of the year, like the
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last like January, like basically January to June was busy the old time,
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and like February, I was waking up in the middle of the night like
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I was like, oh no, I was not sleeping the whole night.
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I'd wake up, go back to sleep, like I didn't mention anybody.
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Yeah, it was tough, man, And I wasn't burnt out. It
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was just a lot of stress, dude. There was multiple times I'd wake
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up, but like one two in the morning and just be like, work
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is rough right now. But then I go back to sleep. Eventually then
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we'ld make it work. But sug it out a little bit. But still
24:37
it was it was rough, burn out, sug it out. Don't do
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that. And then the last one from the Mayo Clinic. This is more
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on the physical symptoms side, But do you have headaches, stomach or bowel
24:53
problems, or other physical complaints with no known cause. That sounds a lot
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like anxiety, especially in kids. They tend to wear their anxiety in their
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body. My headache, stomach problems, diarrhea, all that kind of stuff.
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What do we do, How do we fix this? What are we
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supposed to do? So if you find yourself answering yes to many of those
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questions, then you too might be experiencing burnout. Some of the suggestions that
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we have for you are number one, seek support. Talk to other people
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who understand you, who are validating and want to listen, because that is
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such an important piece of the human experience. I think being able to know
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that other people get where you're coming from and understand helps a lot. It
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might not fix the problem right then and there, but I think that helps
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a lot. One thing that I don't always do the best of, but
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I preach to all of my children or my students and my clients self care,
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trying to figure out what it is that can help you out. And
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I tell I think I think one of the best things as a team if
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you can figure out what you can do now as self care that makes you
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feel better, that gets you in a better headspace and just better physically mentally,
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whatever it is. Lock that in now. So then when you get
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older, whether you go to a college or you go to a trade school,
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or you join the workforce, military or whatever it is, you have
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that skill set the honestly will put you ahead of other people your age and
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people older than you. You know how to take care of yourself and you
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can figure that out, and that just that helps a ton. I always
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like to ask the question of what healthy mechanisms do you have to get out
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your stress? And I meet a decent amount of young people who say I
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have none. I don't really have any healthy mechanisms. And I always try
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and jump to do you draw, do you write? Do you like music?
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Like, try to figure something out, but sometimes you have to search.
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Sometimes you have to figure something out that speaks to you. And I
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always hate it when people say, like, oh, I'm not good at
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it, so I don't write, or I like to do it, but
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I'm not good at it, so I don't use it to get my feelings
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and emotions out. Like there's so many more reasons to do it than just
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being good. Do it at it, like if it helps you, just
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do it. Like along the same lines of self care, exercise is a
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huge one Prioritizing sleep is a big one too, which is really tough because
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sometimes if you feel burned out, you feel like you never have any time
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for yourself, so you sometimes want to stay up late do something fun,
27:17
but then it messes with your sleep and you feel even more burned out the
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next day. Practicing mindfulness, so this is one mindfulness meditation not exactly the
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same thing, but sometimes they go hand in hand. That one can be
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hard, and that one can be If you figure out that it's not helpful
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for you, that is totally fine. But I think that the least you
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can do is give it a shot. Whether it's listening to a guided mindfulness
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exercise, whether it's listening to a guided meditation. I think it's fine to
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try those things and realize, like, Okay, maybe this is not the
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best for me, but I think those are good ones to give a shot
27:49
too. But yeah, and then the last one, and this is one
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that really resonates with me because I think, ultimately this is how I got
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out of my last two ones. But just consider leaving the situation you're in.
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And I want to say this very clearly that I understand that there's a
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certain level of privilege there is to be able to leave your job and to
28:07
be able to leave the situation you're in. I understand that not everybody has
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that, but hopefully this is for those people that do have that opportunity or
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like on the fence about it, consider it, think about the options,
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think about what can be helpful. You know, I think back to my
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students this week, you know, we have the students. We had group
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presentations on ACT on Acceptance and Commitment therapy, and the parts of the presentation
28:30
that group was given just kind of like a just kind of an open dialogue,
28:33
open like mock. These are things that could be covered in an accession
28:37
with group therapy, and it really ends up turning into like an open and
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honest discussion of what are things that are bothering some of the students and things
28:47
that are impacting them, And some of them ended up saying, like,
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I know I can't necessarily do something. And this is part of that psychological
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flexibility of ACT of one of the principles, but I know I can't necessarily
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do something about the situation right now, like I'm kind of locked into where
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I'm at now, but being able to say it out loud being able to
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acknowledge it and identify it and know that this is not permanent. That kind
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of helps a lot. So it was cool to just kind of be a
29:12
part of that and like have the other side of it if like maybe I
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can't, I can't really consider leave in my situation right now, but just
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being able to talk about it, acknowledge it, and know that this is
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not permanent, that just helps a lot. And to build on that point,
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I've been listening to a lot of psychiatry and psychotherapy podcasts with doctor David
29:30
Peter, and he always says that bringing up the things that are bothering you,
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expressing yourself, talking about it with people who are there showing you love
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and support kind of rewires your brain so that the things that are stressing you
29:45
out, the things that are bothering you, they're not as difficult, they
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are easier to manage, they're easier to understand and to accept if you're able
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to talk about it with people who are understanding and validate of those experiences.
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So that's a huge part of acceptance and commitment therapy is being able to get
30:04
some of that stuff out. And two, I think being able to get
30:08
empathy from people in a world that doesn't feel so full of empathy right now,
30:14
just being here like I feel you. That is really hard. Thank
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you, right, Like that's all I needed. I get somewhat of a
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selection bias because I see kids are struggling with their mental health. But I
30:27
noticed that communication style and a lot of the families that I work with,
30:33
kids will express how they feel and parents will say, like, you don't
30:36
really feel like that, that's not what's happening. They'll invalidate the feelings and
30:40
say like, well, you can't mean that. They'll instead of just sitting
30:44
and listening and validating and sitting in the emotions and feeling, they're questioning and
30:52
creating conflict and that I think that's a huge reason why the kids are developing
30:56
depression and anxiety in the first place, is because they don't have in that
31:00
parent relationship, which is supposed to be the strongest and most loving and understanding
31:04
relationship. They don't have that acceptance and understanding that they're longing for. Yeah,
31:10
our support people are our support people, but sometimes our support people don't
31:15
know the best way to support us. Sometimes they just know the best way
31:18
to support themselves and think that that can translate into like, oh, I
31:22
can just do the same thing for my kid, and that it just doesn't
31:25
work that way. A lot of the time, I basically hear the same
31:27
things too, like sometimes the kids that come in are just like I try
31:33
and say this, or I try and say that. I'm like, Nope,
31:33
they're just not getting it. Like people at home or not getting It's
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not all parents, they're friends, they're people their age they're also not getting
31:41
it. It's hard and then to then to take that next step of Okay,
31:48
this is what I need. I need to now communicate this assertively to
31:51
the people in my life that support me. That's where I think a lot
31:55
of people get stuck of, like they don't communicate it, and then they
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go on months, years, long time of just not saying it, and
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then that then they developed this like resentment towards people off like well, no
32:05
one gives a shit anyway, and it's yeah, yeah, it's a tough,
32:08
tough cycle. Bady, what's your take on point for today on burnout?
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I think the biggest thing is that burnout is real. It's something that
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impacts a lot of people, and just because you're feeling burned out, doesn't
32:22
mean you did something wrong, doesn't mean that you deserve it. Like,
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please reach out for help, ask for help. Know that there's people that
32:30
understand and that other people are going through it, and not just in like
32:32
a way of like everyone deals with it. It's fine. It's more of
32:36
like we're here for you, like welcome, like we we understand. I
32:39
like it. What about you? We live in a society that values money
32:45
and possessions more than anything else. And if you want to live a happy,
32:52
mentally healthy life, we got to push back on it a little bit.
32:54
If you let your work, your work will run you into the ground
32:59
to make as much money as possible. You got to set healthy boundaries for
33:02
yourself. You got to prioritize yourself, your family, the things that you
33:07
find the most important in life. And that'll help you stay grounded and that'll
33:10
help you fight burn out. Hell yeah, I like it. Play us
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