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Ethical & Sustainable Fashion · She's On The Money

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Speaker 1: Hello.
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Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud Yr the
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Speaker 2: Order Kerney Whalbury and a waddery woman. And before we
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Speaker 2: the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.
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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast
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Speaker 4: for millennials who want financial freedom. Today, I have a
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Speaker 4: Victoria Divine with Meday Victoria.
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Speaker 5: Oh good day mate. This is an Australian podcast, now,
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Speaker 5: is it?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I feel like we should do the whole podcast
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Speaker 4: as Americans trying to be Australian.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, right right?
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Speaker 2: Is that?
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Speaker 4: Alright?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 4: I can't do it. I actually kind of let's move.
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Speaker 5: On because it's terrifying when we were in America. Actually,
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Speaker 5: I went to Finkoln last year, which you guys probably
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Speaker 5: know because I keep talking about it because I was
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Speaker 5: obsessed with it.
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Speaker 1: It just made me so aware of my own accent.
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Speaker 5: I felt like such a bogain and I genuinely exist
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Speaker 5: in a sphere where I think, oh, like, I'm relatively well,
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Speaker 5: you know, well spoken, I'm all right, I'm pretty articulate.
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Speaker 1: I did not feel like that in America.
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Speaker 5: I felt like the biggest bogan and people would like
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Speaker 5: look at me and be like, oh, you're from Australia
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Speaker 5: and I'd be like, oh gosh.
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Speaker 4: They really articulate their words there.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just the intonation at the end, like we
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Speaker 5: have everything as a question and they're just so much
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Speaker 5: more assertive. So anyway, moving on, what are we talking
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Speaker 5: about today?
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Speaker 1: Beck?
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Speaker 4: Okay, so today we're talking about ethical and sustainable fascion
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Speaker 4: fush On. Is this something that you're familiar with?
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Speaker 5: I am, and I'm quite passionate about it. We actually
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Speaker 5: did an episode way back when, I think probably in
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Speaker 5: season one if She's on the Money, which if you
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Speaker 5: are new to She's on the Money, I actually don't
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Speaker 5: recommend you go and listen to. And I say that
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Speaker 5: because I'm embarrassed of who I was as a person,
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Speaker 5: and how nervous I used to be behind the microphone
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Speaker 5: and how planned I would be and I would make
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Speaker 5: sure that everything was correct. So don't do that, But
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Speaker 5: if you do, thanks to the listens really helps me out.
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Speaker 5: But today we are talking about ethical and sustainable fashion
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Speaker 5: versus fast fashion, and I think this is a topic
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Speaker 5: of debate not only in our community, but in a
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Speaker 5: lot of other communities. I'm seeing it a lot pop
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Speaker 5: up in I guess pop culture references. I am, if anything,
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Speaker 5: addicted to drama. I don't like being involved in the drama.
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Speaker 5: But I want to be like the fly on the
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Speaker 5: wall when it comes to other people's drama. I don't
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Speaker 5: want to talk about it, like I'm not going to
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Speaker 5: have a chat about it.
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Speaker 1: I just want to read about it and be about it.
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Speaker 4: Watching here a big.
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Speaker 5: Gossipy So I love a pop culture podcasts Facebook group
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Speaker 5: and a few of them. Just like reading through the comments,
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Speaker 5: you best believe I've read them. Will I ever comment?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely not, Like I don't want to be involved. Will
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Speaker 5: I share anything that I see in there with you back? No,
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Speaker 5: because I don't want to be embarrassed of what I've
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Speaker 5: read and what I thought was.
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Speaker 4: Interesting, but I'll probably find it interesting too.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is where these topics come from, so
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Speaker 1: you guys better find this interesting as well. It's not
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Speaker 1: worth your time.
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Speaker 5: But essentially, I know we all prefer to be ethical
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Speaker 5: and sustainable in our choices. Right in a perfect world,
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Speaker 5: fast Fashion wouldn't exist. But I think that there is
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Speaker 5: a big conversation to be had around why it does
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Speaker 5: and why it's successful, but also privilege when it comes
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Speaker 5: to being able to choose ethical and sustainable choices, because
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Speaker 5: there's obviously a cost to those items that most people
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Speaker 5: can't budget for. And I think at the moment, obviously
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Speaker 5: with influencers buying a lot of items off sheen like,
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Speaker 5: it makes me really frustrated because I know that they
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Speaker 5: can afford more and they can do better, and I
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Speaker 5: feel like if you're in the position and in the
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Speaker 5: very privileged position of being able to do better, you
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Speaker 5: should be. But I also want to address the fact
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Speaker 5: that people shouldn't be shamed for purchasing fast fashion because
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Speaker 5: you never know their financial circumstances. And we're going to
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Speaker 5: talk a little bit about I guess how to one
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Speaker 5: dispel that, but also how to approach it if your
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Speaker 5: budget only allows for fast fashion and making that okay
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Speaker 5: because I think too many times like who doesn't love
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Speaker 5: a fourd dollar singlet from Kmart?
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Speaker 4: I love?
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Speaker 1: But do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 5: Let's be honest, like if I could buy something and
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Speaker 5: I don't nowadays because again privileged position to be in,
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Speaker 5: I can make more sustainable and ethical choices, and I
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Speaker 5: am so grateful that I can.
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Speaker 1: Who doesn't love a four dollar singlet?
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Speaker 2: Though?
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Speaker 1: Like surface level, surface level, that is a money win?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Is it a money you win for other people involved
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Speaker 1: in that supply chain? Probably not? And we can talk
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Speaker 1: about that. But I just think that sometimes the Internet
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Speaker 1: goes wild and jumps down people's throats and we really
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Speaker 1: need to talk about the flip side of things. And
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Speaker 1: obviously the negative impacts of fast fashion are really bad
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Speaker 1: for the environment, They are shocking when it comes to
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Speaker 1: human rights, but we often don't think about how much
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Speaker 1: those impulse purchases add up over the years and how
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Speaker 1: much can actually cost you more than an expensive and
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Speaker 1: considered purchase that you actually wear a lot. Right, And
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Speaker 1: again again that plays into privilege, and there are a
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Speaker 1: lot of people even in our community, right, And it.
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Speaker 5: Goes back to school shoes. Like there's this example of
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Speaker 5: school shoes. Do you remember at school, like the popular
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Speaker 5: school shoes the Harrisons.
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Speaker 1: I think so I had like docks and yeah, cool
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Speaker 1: girl stuff, right, Yeah, yeah, Docs are a really well
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Speaker 1: made shoe. Yeah they are very expensive.
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Speaker 5: A pair of Harrison school shoes, which are the ones
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Speaker 5: that I used to were really cool, you know, like
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Speaker 5: the t bar ones with the butterfly platform, and yeah,
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Speaker 5: they're the ones I really wanted to but they were
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Speaker 5: so expensive. Not everybody has the budget to buy their
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Speaker 5: child the best school shoes. But if you're going to
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Speaker 5: Kman buying fifteen dollar school shoes and that's all you
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Speaker 5: can afford, one, that's okay, but two, you're probably going
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Speaker 5: to find yourself in the position where you have to
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Speaker 5: buy five or six pairs of those fifteen dollars school
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Speaker 5: shoes over the year because you just don't have the
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Speaker 5: budget to make that one hundred dollar purchase at the
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Speaker 5: beginning of the year. So I think that we need
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Speaker 5: to play into that side of it as well and
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Speaker 5: talk about the privilege of actually being able to afford
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Speaker 5: buy it once by right kind of mentality, because we
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Speaker 5: don't all have that, like we can't all just go
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Speaker 5: all right, well, need to get my daughter school shoes.
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Speaker 5: It would be a better investment to just buy the
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Speaker 5: first one. We all know that.
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Speaker 1: We all know that, but like genuinely back and I
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Speaker 1: guess this goes back to conversations you and I have
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Speaker 1: had about your upbringing. That's not an option. No, like
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Speaker 1: your mum's not going to be like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: it's better investment back if we just buy it once
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Speaker 1: and right?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, share are you getting this money?
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Speaker 1: Where are you getting this money from?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 5: Where can we get a cheap pair of school shoes
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Speaker 5: that are going to do the job to get it
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Speaker 5: done so that you can go to school and get
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Speaker 5: your education and not put me into significant debt.
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Speaker 1: And I'm already in debt.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, anyway, We can go on and on and about this,
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Speaker 5: but there are so many forces that exist to keep
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Speaker 5: us trapped in this cycle of consumption and just feeling
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Speaker 5: like we're not enough unless we have the next thing.
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Speaker 5: On social media and to be honest, like, let's be honest,
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Speaker 5: I am human too.
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Speaker 1: I see stuff on Instagram all the time that I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh that might be nice, so on that And I know.
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Speaker 5: You Beck am you Like, I'm exactly like everybody that
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Speaker 5: listens to this podcast, like, it's not something that I'm
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Speaker 5: immune to. And if this resonates with you might actually
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Speaker 5: get something out of our episodes on spending addiction. You
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Speaker 5: might not how a spending addiction, but there might be
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Speaker 5: a few things that we could pull back on.
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Speaker 1: Was from October twelfth last year.
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Speaker 4: One hundred cent. It's kind of like it's exactly what
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Speaker 4: we kind of talk about sometimes, like keeping up with
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Speaker 4: the Joneses and wanting like the newest the and like
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Speaker 4: keeping up with the trends.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent. I want to be a fashion queen.
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Speaker 5: I'm not a fashion queen. I think just thank you,
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Speaker 5: thank you. It's because sometimes Jess or do Yabby tell
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Speaker 5: me what to buy. I see yeah, yeah yeah, I'm
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Speaker 5: like is this cute? And they're like, yeah, I would
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Speaker 5: go with these shoes, and so I only wear that combination. Yeah, Like,
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Speaker 5: I'm not going to mix it up. I'm not going
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Speaker 5: to change it need anything else. Yeah, and sometimes this
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Speaker 5: is a bit naughty, but I will spend more than
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Speaker 5: I should. Like, if I'm like, oh I really want
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Speaker 5: a new top, I'll go into the store and if
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Speaker 5: the mannequin has the top with the skirt, I'll be like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 5: so those go together. I'll purchase that.
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Speaker 1: I love that people think i'm fashion.
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Speaker 5: I get such a kick when people message me like, oh,
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Speaker 5: where's that from? I'm like, haha, I'm a fashion girlie.
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm really not. I try so hard you do.
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Speaker 1: My sister is a fashion giralie.
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Speaker 5: Like she is one of those people that can just
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Speaker 5: like throw together outfits and actually like look really good.
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Speaker 5: She just knows whereas I'm like, yes, I know of
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Speaker 5: these three.
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Speaker 1: Stores, that is it. I'll be like, oh, where's that
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Speaker 1: top from?
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Speaker 5: And She'll be like, oh, it's from this like eclectic label,
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Speaker 5: and like how do you even learn that?
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Speaker 1: Where do you find that?
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Speaker 4: I know?
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Speaker 6: Where do these?
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Speaker 4: Where are these places?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Like I've never heard of that brand in my entire life,
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Speaker 5: so I google it and then I copy my sister too.
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Speaker 5: So if you would like fashion advice, it shouldn't be
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Speaker 5: from me. But you're right keeping up with the Joneses
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Speaker 5: genuinely sometimes feels like a race.
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Speaker 1: What are your clothes buying habits? I feel like you're
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Speaker 1: going to be better than me.
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Speaker 4: I'm really ashamed to say that I have a little
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Speaker 4: bit of like a very specific germophobia, and I would
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Speaker 4: like to threw aphobia a little bit. Yeah, okay, I guess.
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Speaker 5: That's not what I thought was going to be discussed
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Speaker 5: when we were talking about.
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Speaker 2: It.
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Speaker 4: Kind of is relevant. I would love to thrift shop
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Speaker 4: because I see clothes in, you know, the op shops,
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, that looks really cool, and you know,
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Speaker 4: but yeah, I just don't like dust. I don't like dust.
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Speaker 4: I don't like the smell of dust. I don't like
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Speaker 4: anything dusty. And I know, but it's in my head,
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Speaker 4: it's very rational. It's very rational.
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Speaker 1: I need to buy you a bottle of the dead
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Speaker 1: old wash.
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Speaker 4: You could buy me op shop clothes and tell me
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Speaker 4: that they're new, that they're new, but you know, and
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Speaker 4: so I do go to play can I ruin this
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Speaker 4: for you? Oh my?
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Speaker 5: So in my head, right, the supply chain of an
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Speaker 5: opshop goes like this, someone who has been at their house.
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Speaker 5: They are probably very clean, and they've done their washing
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Speaker 5: and they pulled all their washing away, and then one
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Speaker 5: day they're like, oh, I really need to clean.
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Speaker 1: Out my wardrobe back.
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Speaker 5: So they go through their clean wardrobe and they pull
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Speaker 5: out clothes and then they donate it to a local
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Speaker 5: op shop and the op shop looks at it and says,
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Speaker 5: that's clean. We'll put it on a coat hanger and
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Speaker 5: put it in the shop. Okay, all right, no worries.
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Speaker 5: Clothes that come from China have been dragged around a
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Speaker 5: factory floor. They have been in big rolls of stuff,
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Speaker 5: probably covered in a whole heap of chemicals and sprays
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Speaker 5: and things that maybe aren't allowed in Australia. And then
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Speaker 5: they're cut on big machines that they definitely haven't disinfected
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Speaker 5: them because it's not a food environment, they don't need
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Speaker 5: to do that. And then they roll these clothes out
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Speaker 5: and then somebody who you can't guarantee that they washed
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Speaker 5: their hands, folds your T shirt and puts it in
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Speaker 5: a box that then goes into a store over here
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Speaker 5: after being shipped internationally and to seagull it pooped on
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Speaker 5: the top of that ship in container and then it's
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Speaker 5: in the store.
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Speaker 4: My series saying.
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Speaker 1: It's in the store.
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Speaker 5: And because it's a big store like Kmart, right, heaps
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Speaker 5: of kids go to Kmart and they have sticky little
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Speaker 5: fingers and while their mums are shopping, They're touching everything
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Speaker 5: and running in between the clothes.
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Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, have I ruined it? I think yes, for
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Speaker 4: good reason.
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Speaker 5: If somebody went and bought that Kmart T shirt and
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Speaker 5: took it home and then used omo and then just
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Speaker 5: sent it to the op shop, it's better supply chain
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Speaker 5: when it comes to gems. I'm glad that this has
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Speaker 5: been our conversation. That supply chain is entirely fictional.
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Speaker 1: I made it up. Whether that's true or not, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, no, but I need this because I feel
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Speaker 1: like Mum did this to me because one time I
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Speaker 1: bought new sheets and I tried to put them strang
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Speaker 1: r on my bed and she was like, ah no,
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Speaker 1: And that's basically what my mum did for me. Now,
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Speaker 1: there's no way I would buy sheets and put them
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Speaker 1: straight on my bed.
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Speaker 4: I have to wash it first. I'm glad that you
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Speaker 4: told me that I'm a nice lady, very nicely. I
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Speaker 4: need to get to this mindset, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: But no, it's instead of you just being anxious about
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Speaker 1: op shopping, No, you're anxious about all shopping and.
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Speaker 4: Never buy clothes ever again.
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Speaker 1: Money win.
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Speaker 4: But kind of to bring it back. I only ever
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Speaker 4: buy uniclo or Target clothes, and you can probably see
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Speaker 4: that by looking at me. I wear the same thing
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Speaker 4: every single day, and I'm okay with it.
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Speaker 1: Do you know what I've never noticed? Oh that's too
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Speaker 1: Actually wear that T shirt. No, you're making that up.
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Speaker 4: No different colors, this exact T shirt.
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Speaker 1: That's the Unicloth T shirt, isn't it. Yeah, it's a
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Speaker 1: good quality T shirt, very.
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Speaker 4: Well quality T shirt, like a nineteen bucks.
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Speaker 1: Yep, money win. We can't argue about that.
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Speaker 5: But let's get back into the actual episode and talk
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Speaker 5: about fast fashion for a hot minute, because although I
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Speaker 5: am personally in the position to spend more on clothes,
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Speaker 5: there's always that pull regardless of what your budget looks like,
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Speaker 5: always find yourself getting caught up in sales. And I've
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Speaker 5: definitely bought stuff that I ended up not wearing before.
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Speaker 5: So before the arrival of fast fashion, fashion used to
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Speaker 5: have essentially two seasons a year. It would be like
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Speaker 5: summer and winter, which resulted in batches of garments coming
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Speaker 5: out and being produced over twelve months, and it was
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Speaker 5: again a lot more sustainable fast fashion now compared to
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Speaker 5: those two seasons summer and winter, which makes sense, right,
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Speaker 5: just need a T shirt or you might need a jacket,
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Speaker 5: don't know. Fast fashion has around fifty two seasons a year.
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Speaker 5: That's one a week. Wow, on a week, and a
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Speaker 5: single brand can produce four hundred different styles dropping in
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Speaker 5: stores every single week.
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Speaker 1: Wow, isn't that wild?
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Speaker 4: That is wild?
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Speaker 5: And Beck, we spoke about this in the first episode
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Speaker 5: we did on sustainable Fashion, But the numbers are disgusting.
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Speaker 5: Did you know that six thousand kilograms of clothing going
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Speaker 5: to landfill every single ten minutes?
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Speaker 1: Landfill landfill in the bin, in the rubbi wish goods
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Speaker 1: in the rubbish, straight and mush. It really upsets me
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Speaker 1: as well.
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Speaker 5: And I think it's one of those things that we're
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Speaker 5: just so frivolous and fast fashion is just that it's fast.
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Speaker 5: Like the reason they construct it poorly is because they
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Speaker 5: just know that there's not the longevity there. Like your
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Speaker 5: Uniclo T shirt is constructed really well and that's why
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Speaker 5: you're buying it and you're going to get a lot
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Speaker 5: of wear out of that. But if you go to
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Speaker 5: a lot of fast fashion retailers, and it's interesting because
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Speaker 5: you see a lot of conversation online about people saying, oh,
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Speaker 5: the quality of X brand has been slipping over the years.
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Speaker 5: That's purposeful from them, Like it's purposeful from them for
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Speaker 5: a number of reasons. One because it lowers their production
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Speaker 5: costs because less quality means less time, energy and effort
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Speaker 5: means less money going through things, so that increases their
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Speaker 5: bottom line. But the second part of that is they
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Speaker 5: know they can do that and get away with it
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Speaker 5: because you're only going to wear it for one season.
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Speaker 5: It's not a coach that you're purchasing and you're going
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Speaker 5: to wear for the next ten years. And that would
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Speaker 5: be you know, really bad for their brand. And if
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Speaker 5: it came out that they had you know, compromised quality,
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Speaker 5: they don't care because you're just going to buy next
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Speaker 5: season's coat anyway, So why would we construct this one? Well,
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Speaker 5: makes no sense, So you throw it away. And we
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Speaker 5: are in this world where everything seems disposable, right, And
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Speaker 5: I think this extends to literally every facet of our lives.
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Speaker 5: And you see this, and I'm on TikTok a lot,
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Speaker 5: I see this in literally every facet but fashion, beauty,
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Speaker 5: home weares have become really disposable. Like I remember growing
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Speaker 5: up and I had the same doing a cover literally
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Speaker 5: my entire childhood.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, seen fruitball step And I.
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Speaker 5: Feel like everyone on TikTok is restyling their house every
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Speaker 5: two seconds, like Camart drops a new season of Home Weares,
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Speaker 5: and like every man and his dog has restyled their
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Speaker 5: entire entertainment unit. And I'm like, oh, I've just got
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Speaker 5: that photo of my sister that my mum gave me
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Speaker 5: for my birth day when I was fourteen, still sitting there, like,
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Speaker 5: and it's interesting because everything's disposable. And I would even
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Speaker 5: extend that to relationships, like people are finding other people
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Speaker 5: even just posable, and I just think that that is crazy.
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Speaker 5: But I don't think it's much of a reach to
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Speaker 5: say that, because I think other people would agree that
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Speaker 5: we just have less timeless energy, less effort for things,
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Speaker 5: and our mentality has changed, and it's not necessarily because
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Speaker 5: we're just existing in a post war era, right, Like
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Speaker 5: I remember when your grandparents used to say things like, oh,
16:19
Speaker 5: in my day, we used to fix it, and like
16:21
Speaker 5: my grandparents fix everything. You can't fix our stuff anymore
16:24
Speaker 5: because when it breaks, it's really broken.
16:25
Speaker 1: You can't fix a plastic kettle. You can't. You literally can't.
16:30
Speaker 5: But if it was like a cast iron kettle like
16:32
Speaker 5: my grandparents had, Like if something happened to it, they'd
16:34
Speaker 5: resolder it and it would actually be fixable. It's not
16:38
Speaker 5: just because we've changed our minds and decided like, oh,
16:41
Speaker 5: we don't care about fixing things anymore.
16:43
Speaker 1: There's no point. Things don't last anymore. And that's purposeful
16:47
Speaker 1: because it's this circle of consumption, and it keeps you
16:51
Speaker 1: in this circle of consumption. It keeps you trapped, and
16:54
Speaker 1: that's the point. Planned that's less points, Yeah, exactly, planned
16:59
Speaker 1: ops are less since is absolutely what it is, and
17:02
Speaker 1: it keeps you in this cycle because it's now more
17:05
Speaker 1: about driving sales. And why would I build it?
17:08
Speaker 5: Well, if it means that you'll come back in twelve
17:10
Speaker 5: months and get another one, That is so true. It
17:13
Speaker 5: just makes sense, right, So let's move on from that,
17:15
Speaker 5: because I feel like I got a rant for literal
17:17
Speaker 5: days about this whole planned obsolescence.
17:19
Speaker 4: I would love to hear it. Well.
17:20
Speaker 5: Even Apple was found to actually build in planned obsolescence
17:24
Speaker 5: into iPhones don't get into.
17:25
Speaker 1: Their battery life, right, like, isn't it wild?
17:29
Speaker 5: And they know what they're doing and they're doing it
17:31
Speaker 5: to get you to buy the next one. Psychology comes
17:35
Speaker 5: into this so deeply, like it's marketing, it's branding. Things
17:39
Speaker 5: have changed and it's not just around the product quality,
17:43
Speaker 5: but it's about them helping to change your mindset.
17:46
Speaker 1: So you just go, oh, well, well well just buy
17:48
Speaker 1: another one. That's sign things.
17:49
Speaker 5: Are into break washed things, some men to break right, No, absolutely.
17:53
Speaker 1: Not anyway, we could go on and on and on.
17:55
Speaker 4: I'm slowly realizing that I don't fully know what ethic
18:00
Speaker 4: on sustainable fashion is. So let's get the lingo down. Okay,
18:03
Speaker 4: can you explain this to I'm the.
18:04
Speaker 1: Cool girl I know the linu.
18:06
Speaker 5: So, ethical fashion generally covers the entire production process from
18:11
Speaker 5: cotton seed to the finished garment, and it actually focuses
18:15
Speaker 5: on the fair treatment of people at every single stage
18:18
Speaker 5: along that supply chain, which I think is really really important.
18:22
Speaker 5: And brands who we deem to be ethical fashion brands
18:24
Speaker 5: they respect and they recognize every single person involved in
18:28
Speaker 5: that supply chain from turning raw materials into wearable clothes
18:32
Speaker 5: that are hanging in your wardrobe. And they ensure that
18:34
Speaker 5: individuals are paid fairly for their skills, and they work
18:36
Speaker 5: in a safe environment, and they are appreciated for their
18:39
Speaker 5: talents just as human beings, rather than just being a
18:42
Speaker 5: cog in the system, which that's so good we can
18:44
Speaker 5: all agree is very important, definitely, definitely when it comes
18:48
Speaker 5: to sustainable fashion, that actually is more about asking a question,
18:52
Speaker 5: not so much a process. Can we actually keep producing
18:55
Speaker 5: fashion while leaving more of a lighter on neutral footprint
18:59
Speaker 5: on the planet. And a brand considers their design process
19:02
Speaker 5: and tries to have minimal or no waste when using products,
19:05
Speaker 5: and they look at where they're fabrics and their threads
19:07
Speaker 5: and their buttons and their zippers and stuff like that
19:10
Speaker 5: are sourced from, and are they actually sustainable sauces. They
19:14
Speaker 5: look into things like making sure that they're reducing the
19:16
Speaker 5: amount of energy that they use, and they recycle along
19:18
Speaker 5: the way all of the elements that they might not use.
19:21
Speaker 5: And the most sustainable fashion brands are now working on
19:24
Speaker 5: what's called a circulatory system in the supply chain and
19:27
Speaker 5: the end of life process of a garment once you're
19:29
Speaker 5: done wearing it. So while a fashion brand can be
19:32
Speaker 5: more sustainable, there's actually no such thing as one hundred
19:34
Speaker 5: percent sustainable fashion. But also the other point that I
19:39
Speaker 5: want to make here is, you know how we talk
19:41
Speaker 5: about when it comes to investing greenwashing, they're doing that
19:44
Speaker 5: in fashion too. And the biggest retailer, I'm saying, doing
19:48
Speaker 5: it and I don't know if I'm going to get
19:49
Speaker 5: in trouble for this, Bongoon do it anyway is H
19:51
Speaker 5: and M. So H and M have if you've been
19:54
Speaker 5: into one of their stores, they're one of the biggest
19:56
Speaker 5: fast fashion brands in the world. They are doing this
19:59
Speaker 5: in stores now where they're like, oh, you can recycle
20:02
Speaker 5: your clothes here.
20:03
Speaker 1: It's more sustainable, it's more ethical.
20:05
Speaker 5: It's this and they have these big donation bins in
20:07
Speaker 5: their stores so that you feel better about it and
20:10
Speaker 5: you start associating with its like sustainable and ethical with them,
20:13
Speaker 5: when that's not actually the case. So it's green washing
20:17
Speaker 5: at its finest because if you go in there, right,
20:19
Speaker 5: you're standing at the checkout and then there's this big
20:21
Speaker 5: bin and they're talking about their more sustainable green choices,
20:24
Speaker 5: like cool, let's sick about it.
20:26
Speaker 1: What are they doing with those clothes? Yeah, they're just
20:29
Speaker 1: donating them in the same way you would if you
20:32
Speaker 1: would diet them. So they're just disposing of them.
20:35
Speaker 5: Are they making them into fashion items that can be recycled? Like,
20:40
Speaker 5: are they looking at that end of life process and
20:42
Speaker 5: going okay, cool, Beck's done with her T shirt. We're
20:45
Speaker 5: going to use this product to create another product and
20:48
Speaker 5: therefore recycle it.
20:49
Speaker 1: No, that's not the case. They're just going to donate it.
20:51
Speaker 1: Oh okay, bros Hey, Yeah, all the bells and whistles,
20:56
Speaker 1: but really, yeah, and lots of people do coppy, lots
20:59
Speaker 1: of people do it. If they even do it in
21:00
Speaker 1: the investment world, it is not actually uncommon, which again really.
21:04
Speaker 4: Grows my faith in humanity is getting lower by the day.
21:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, the longer you know me, the less you'll like
21:12
Speaker 1: the world.
21:12
Speaker 4: Do you look, thank you. So a point to make
21:16
Speaker 4: is that all of our ethics are different, right, So
21:18
Speaker 4: this applies to fashion two and so a fashion brand
21:21
Speaker 4: can be ethical when it comes to human rights, but
21:23
Speaker 4: not sustainable with its fabrics and environmental practices. A brand
21:28
Speaker 4: can also be sustainable and completely disregard human rights. And
21:33
Speaker 4: if you throw in the ethics of animal rights, and
21:35
Speaker 4: then you have a whole other issue to consider.
21:38
Speaker 5: Absolutely, which is exactly why we aren't going to give
21:41
Speaker 5: you a list of brands today. I think a lot
21:43
Speaker 5: of people ask for stuff like that, and I've seen
21:46
Speaker 5: a few different fashion pages listing out like here ethical brands,
21:49
Speaker 5: but like you can never guarantee it, And I think
21:52
Speaker 5: it's important for you to do your own research, just
21:54
Speaker 5: like the investment world, make a decision on what aligns
21:58
Speaker 5: to your values, because your values are not my values,
22:01
Speaker 5: and me giving you a list based on my values.
22:04
Speaker 1: To be honest, gives me the ick. That's fair that
22:06
Speaker 1: it does, Like it just seems kind of rude for
22:08
Speaker 1: me to go through and be like if these pass
22:10
Speaker 1: my vibe check, I'm like, okay, why do I think
22:14
Speaker 1: I've got so many tickets that they should pass everybody?
22:17
Speaker 4: I would subscribe to that, But how do we actually know?
22:20
Speaker 4: Like how can we check if the clothing brand is ethical?
22:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's really hard.
22:25
Speaker 5: It is actually really hard because a lot of these
22:27
Speaker 5: processes I don't want to say are secretive, but like
22:30
Speaker 5: it's not actually a lot of our business how a
22:32
Speaker 5: business does business right, Like you wouldn't be like, oh,
22:35
Speaker 5: how do I check if she's on the money's ethical?
22:38
Speaker 5: Like you don't see my bank accounts, you don't see
22:40
Speaker 5: my statements.
22:41
Speaker 1: You don't see like.
22:41
Speaker 5: Which suppliers I use, Like I would like to think
22:44
Speaker 5: I'm ethical. One way of doing that is by checking
22:47
Speaker 5: if they're a B Corp Company, which means someone has
22:51
Speaker 5: checked that and gone through that process to see if
22:53
Speaker 5: they are ethical and they are a good company. You
22:56
Speaker 5: can always look at the tags and check where it's
22:59
Speaker 5: being made and what's going on. There is a lot
23:01
Speaker 5: of information online. Obviously, one brand I will name because
23:05
Speaker 5: they're not very good is Sheene. They are literally the
23:08
Speaker 5: worst at this from my perspective, because they have such
23:12
Speaker 5: a big footprint and they have such a massive amount
23:15
Speaker 5: of clothing that goes out of them each and every
23:17
Speaker 5: single day, which, to be honest, makes me a little
23:19
Speaker 5: bit sick when you start.
23:20
Speaker 1: To think about it.
23:20
Speaker 5: But you can look up other people's opinions online and
23:23
Speaker 5: even just type in is Sheene ethical and look at
23:27
Speaker 5: what blogs and articles exist, because usually people have done
23:30
Speaker 5: research on it, and you could do that on any brand.
23:33
Speaker 5: Another way to do that is to go to the
23:34
Speaker 5: brand's website if they're more of a small boutique brand,
23:37
Speaker 5: and they often might talk about their supply chain or
23:39
Speaker 5: where they.
23:40
Speaker 1: Get their materials from.
23:41
Speaker 5: I've seen a few companies recently which I've really liked
23:45
Speaker 5: because obviously we have a really big community of small
23:47
Speaker 5: business owners in Shees on the Money and I stalk
23:50
Speaker 5: you all, like, if you slide into my DMS and
23:52
Speaker 5: say you have small business, I'm going to need to
23:54
Speaker 5: know what you do, where you do it, how you
23:55
Speaker 5: do it. I'm such a fan. But I'll look at
23:59
Speaker 5: your website and I've noticed a lot of websites people
24:01
Speaker 5: are like, Oh, at the moment in our journey, we
24:03
Speaker 5: are currently working with suppliers in China. I've made sure
24:07
Speaker 5: that they're ethical and sustainable, and once I have more revenue,
24:10
Speaker 5: the plan is to move to Australia for production.
24:13
Speaker 1: I'd like to bring it closer to home. It's just
24:14
Speaker 1: not sustainable at this point.
24:15
Speaker 5: You just go well, like, I like the value and
24:18
Speaker 5: the ethics of that brand, and I would really personally
24:20
Speaker 5: like to support that brand get to that position. And
24:23
Speaker 5: the only way that they're going to get to that
24:25
Speaker 5: position and to a thousand percent meeting their values is
24:29
Speaker 5: if I engage with them now so that they can
24:31
Speaker 5: grow their business. So I think it's it's up to you,
24:35
Speaker 5: and it's up to how you want to do things.
24:37
Speaker 5: But it's really about looking at it, looking at you know.
24:40
Speaker 5: I mean, if you could deep dive into what their
24:42
Speaker 5: raw materials are or if they use chemical treatments, or
24:44
Speaker 5: like what their garment production process looks like, or what
24:47
Speaker 5: type of waste management plan they have, or like the
24:50
Speaker 5: end of life cycle for products. But again, it's each
24:53
Speaker 5: to their own, and to be honest, I would really
24:55
Speaker 5: just start with Google if you're worried about a particular brand.
24:59
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, start with Google. That's always the answer I find.
25:02
Speaker 5: Honestly, you could do my entire podcast. You could take
25:06
Speaker 5: my job by just googling it sometimes.
25:08
Speaker 4: Okay, don't do it. No, I won't.
25:10
Speaker 1: I would like to keep my job.
25:11
Speaker 4: Okay, let's go for a little break. Hot girl walk
25:15
Speaker 4: if you will.
25:15
Speaker 1: Go google some stuff.
25:17
Speaker 4: Let's go google some stuff.
25:18
Speaker 1: I'm going to google a hot girl walk, b Ib.
25:25
Speaker 4: Welcome back to She's on the Money, Victoria. I feel
25:28
Speaker 4: like I've aged like five years. I don't know if
25:30
Speaker 4: it's because it was gone for so long, but I'm
25:32
Speaker 4: so happy to be back, and I'm really happy with
25:34
Speaker 4: what we're talking about.
25:35
Speaker 5: If anybody listened to last week's episode, they know there
25:38
Speaker 5: was absolutely no chance of you aging five years.
25:40
Speaker 1: But that's okay.
25:41
Speaker 4: I don't listen to last week's episode, just kidding you
25:45
Speaker 4: will learn a lot. So today we're talking about ethical
25:47
Speaker 4: and sustainable fashion.
25:49
Speaker 1: We are and fast fashion as well into the mix.
25:52
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. So I want to know what are the
25:55
Speaker 4: increased costs with ethical and sustainable fashion.
25:58
Speaker 5: There are a few, so obvious, So let's just talk
26:00
Speaker 5: about fabric to begin with, the price of sustainable fabrics
26:04
Speaker 5: are often on average two and a half to four
26:07
Speaker 5: times more expensive in comparison to more commonly used fabrics, right,
26:12
Speaker 5: and this is partly because they're more expensive for the
26:14
Speaker 5: manufacturers to produce. So an example of that, organic cotton
26:18
Speaker 5: needs to be grown in different soil that's been cleansed
26:21
Speaker 5: for at least three years. I didn't know that, but
26:24
Speaker 5: three years to allow it to return to the level
26:27
Speaker 5: of biodiversity and reading a quote here, biodiversity which allows
26:31
Speaker 5: the crop to grow naturally without toxic fertilizers.
26:34
Speaker 1: So that's a big investment to begin here.
26:37
Speaker 5: And then organic cotton needs to be picked by hand,
26:40
Speaker 5: and it also doesn't grow as efficiently as one that
26:43
Speaker 5: used some toxins in it, but the quality is much
26:45
Speaker 5: higher and it's much more durable, which should make it
26:48
Speaker 5: fair that it makes more sense that it's more expensive, right,
26:51
Speaker 5: Like when you start talking about that, you're like, Wow,
26:53
Speaker 5: that's time, that's energy, that's effort.
26:55
Speaker 4: Check out.
26:55
Speaker 5: And then if you're dying that fabric or like printing
26:58
Speaker 5: on it, it is more time consuming and more cost
27:01
Speaker 5: consuming as well. Also, eco textiles and dies are more
27:05
Speaker 5: expensive because they are less in demand. The mass produced
27:08
Speaker 5: stuff like just polyest Then we've got packaging, which is massive.
27:13
Speaker 5: Packaging is a massive grap for me, we're not going
27:14
Speaker 5: to get onto that. But these brands will also generally
27:17
Speaker 5: try to conserve and reuse and recycle all of the
27:20
Speaker 5: extra bits that we forget about when it comes to fashion.
27:23
Speaker 5: So the packaging, the swing tags, all of that stuff,
27:25
Speaker 5: and some they even take the time to make reusable
27:29
Speaker 5: seeded paper for swing tags, which then you can plant
27:31
Speaker 5: in your garden a home, which I think is really cute,
27:33
Speaker 5: but that's really expensive to produce.
27:36
Speaker 1: Like it's not it's really wholesome. They oh, where did
27:38
Speaker 1: you get this flower?
27:39
Speaker 6: Oh?
27:39
Speaker 1: It came from my T shirt packet, So cute happened.
27:43
Speaker 4: Another big part of me, and that is actually paying your.
27:47
Speaker 5: Workers one hundred percent. This is something that extends internationally.
27:51
Speaker 5: But according to Ox vams what she Makes campaign.
27:54
Speaker 1: Which I love.
27:56
Speaker 5: Bangladeshi garment workers were paid less than forty cents per hour,
28:01
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, which equates to about three dollars sixty
28:04
Speaker 5: per day in twenty eighteen. That is way less than
28:08
Speaker 5: a living wage, even in Bangladesh, because obviously some people
28:12
Speaker 5: will say, oh, v but you don't know what a
28:14
Speaker 5: living wage in that country looks like that is a
28:16
Speaker 5: lot like beck you're literally from Bangladesh.
28:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to visit there once. My dad gave
28:20
Speaker 4: my grandma. I think it would have been maybe fifty dollars,
28:23
Speaker 4: but there was the biggest deal because they it's you know,
28:26
Speaker 4: they live quite a frugal life, real life. But yeah,
28:30
Speaker 4: it's not. It's not the case that like, oh everything's
28:32
Speaker 4: so cheap, so forty, so much money. But no, it's
28:35
Speaker 4: it's not the case at all.
28:36
Speaker 5: Don't you dare come into my DMS about that that
28:38
Speaker 5: is not a living wage. Yet it would only cost
28:41
Speaker 5: fast fashion brands less than one percent of the pricing
28:44
Speaker 5: for the garment that they're selling to pay their workers properly.
28:47
Speaker 1: Geez, isn't that disgusting?
28:48
Speaker 5: It's really just choosing not to. They're just choosing not
28:51
Speaker 5: to for one percent more disgusting.
28:53
Speaker 4: That is so bad.
28:54
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, the owners and the CEOs of fast Passion brands
28:57
Speaker 5: can earn a garment workers lifetime salary in four days.
29:01
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is so outrageous.
29:05
Speaker 5: Which I mean, isn't that much if you're only being
29:07
Speaker 5: paid three dollars sixty a day? But yes, it is
29:09
Speaker 5: actually insane because when we talk about that, a CEO
29:13
Speaker 5: of a flast fashion brand can earn a properly paid
29:16
Speaker 5: workers income in four days, and only one in ten
29:20
Speaker 5: fashion brands in Australia actually pay a living wage to
29:23
Speaker 5: workers in some factories across their supply chain, leaving millions
29:27
Speaker 5: unable to earn enough to keep their families out of
29:29
Speaker 5: extreme poverty, which comes from legit research from the Ethical
29:33
Speaker 5: Fashion Report from Baptist World Ease. That is insane and disgusting,
29:39
Speaker 5: so disgusting, like I don't want to be part of that,
29:43
Speaker 5: and I think that that again massive privilege to be
29:46
Speaker 5: able to say I don't want to be part of
29:47
Speaker 5: that and then exit that. But we can all try
29:50
Speaker 5: to make more sustainable choices where we can. But a
29:52
Speaker 5: living wage should be earned in a standard working week
29:54
Speaker 5: of not more than forty eight hours by a worker
29:57
Speaker 5: and be enough to afford a decent standard living for
30:00
Speaker 5: the worker and their family. But while these standards do
30:04
Speaker 5: vary regardless of what the actual dollar amount is, a
30:07
Speaker 5: living wage should cover the cost of food, housing, healthcare, clothing, education, transport, energy, water,
30:13
Speaker 5: and small amounts of savings for unexpected events. But unfortunately,
30:17
Speaker 5: there are many countries that do not have legal requirements
30:20
Speaker 5: back to even bother paying a leaving wage, and if
30:23
Speaker 5: they do, in many cases there's actually just really little
30:26
Speaker 5: interest in following those and a lot of repercussions for
30:29
Speaker 5: just not doing it. That is so bad, it's actually disgusting.
30:33
Speaker 5: So fast fashion has.
30:34
Speaker 4: Created this completely crazy parallel universe of expectation on seasons
30:39
Speaker 4: and also cost. Right.
30:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, as we said before, there used to be
30:43
Speaker 1: two seasons.
30:44
Speaker 5: Now there are fifty two seasons. And it's from my
30:47
Speaker 5: perspective as well, really warped what we think things should cost.
30:51
Speaker 5: And they can take clothes to rock bottom prices only
30:54
Speaker 5: to be cutting a lot of the corners, and they
30:57
Speaker 5: use the cheapest fabrics and they pay the lowest cost
30:59
Speaker 5: for manufacturing, even if this means that there is child
31:02
Speaker 5: labor and slave labor in the supply chain. Disgusting, literally disgusting.
31:08
Speaker 5: And it's interesting as well because historically fast fashion was
31:12
Speaker 5: basically all that was accessible to me. And that's okay.
31:15
Speaker 5: I think everyone most people have been in that circumstance
31:18
Speaker 5: and that's totally okay. But as I started to earn
31:22
Speaker 5: more and you know, try to make more conscious decisions,
31:25
Speaker 5: whether that is me trying to be ethical or just
31:27
Speaker 5: seeing stuff, you know, seeing a dress on Instagram that
31:29
Speaker 5: I really like and looking into the brand, you start
31:32
Speaker 5: to look at it and remember this dress. Right, Like,
31:34
Speaker 5: I'm known for a white dress, like and maybe not publicly,
31:37
Speaker 5: but like in my wardrobe is ninety percent white dresses.
31:40
Speaker 1: I love them.
31:40
Speaker 5: I saw this white dress online that I really liked,
31:43
Speaker 5: and I went to the website of the company and
31:45
Speaker 5: it was a small Australian designer, Like they were really little.
31:48
Speaker 5: I'd just seen it on a friend's Instagram, Like, not massive,
31:51
Speaker 5: like fancy one like Dally or Scanlon thead or. It
31:54
Speaker 5: was literally just a small designer and the dress was
31:57
Speaker 5: like four hundred dollars.
31:58
Speaker 1: And I was four hundred dollars that's all lot of money.
32:01
Speaker 1: And I left it because I was like, that's a
32:03
Speaker 1: lot of money for a dress. I don't really want
32:04
Speaker 1: to do that.
32:05
Speaker 5: And then a couple of months later, the same creator,
32:08
Speaker 5: like that designer came up on my TikTok explaining her
32:11
Speaker 5: process and her design and how she picks her fabrics
32:14
Speaker 5: and how long it takes, and like she kind of
32:16
Speaker 5: took us through here's my studio and it's you know
32:19
Speaker 5: room at home and I make these dresses and how
32:21
Speaker 5: many hours it took, and she like had distilled it
32:24
Speaker 5: down to not only do I, you know, I pay this,
32:27
Speaker 5: this and this, and she was really transparent and I
32:29
Speaker 5: can't remember.
32:30
Speaker 1: I'll try and find it and link it. But she explained, okay, well,
32:33
Speaker 1: the fabric actually costs me this much, and I don't
32:35
Speaker 1: have the means to bowl order it because I can't
32:37
Speaker 1: afford it.
32:38
Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, maybe thirty dollars a fabric,
32:40
Speaker 5: and then I have all of these you know buttons
32:42
Speaker 5: that then go on the dress, and they're kind of
32:44
Speaker 5: expensive because they're plated, so that's another thirty dollars. So
32:47
Speaker 5: that's sixty dollars we're setting it, and then I have
32:49
Speaker 5: to use this expensive machine. And then on top of that,
32:51
Speaker 5: I'm spending eight hours per dress to make them, because
32:55
Speaker 5: you know, it's got these beautiful ribs on the front
32:57
Speaker 5: of it, and when you distell it down, she's not
32:59
Speaker 5: making nearly anup for that dress, but she didn't want
33:02
Speaker 5: to charge more because she really wanted to get her
33:04
Speaker 5: fashion out there. And I ended up buying the dress
33:07
Speaker 5: after seeing that because I was like, oh my gosh,
33:10
Speaker 5: I get it now. But it made me feel really
33:13
Speaker 5: terrible because originally, when I'd gone to her Instagram and
33:16
Speaker 5: clicked on the shop thing and seen that the.
33:18
Speaker 1: Dress was four hundred dollars, I was like, that's too much.
33:20
Speaker 1: That's insane. I'm not paying four hundred dollars through dress.
33:23
Speaker 5: No, No, but it makes sense, right, And I do
33:26
Speaker 5: genuinely believe that you said before this completely crazy parallel universe.
33:31
Speaker 5: And that's what that made me think of, because it
33:33
Speaker 5: really has warped what we think things should cost because
33:37
Speaker 5: that dress, yes, it was four hundred dollars, but like
33:40
Speaker 5: she'd calculated her hourly rate and worked out like how
33:43
Speaker 5: much she makes and it was like thirteen dollars an hour,
33:45
Speaker 5: which in Israelia is not a living wage. Yeah, And
33:47
Speaker 5: I remember just being like oh, okay, well, I do
33:49
Speaker 5: want to support her business. I do want to buy
33:51
Speaker 5: that I do want her to be successful, and the
33:53
Speaker 5: only way to success for her is to actually get.
33:55
Speaker 1: Into the hands of people.
33:57
Speaker 5: And yeah, it just kind of reminded me that fashion
34:01
Speaker 5: is not meant to just be bought, and you know,
34:03
Speaker 5: wearing a dress once is actually acceptable. It's not like
34:06
Speaker 5: I love that dress. I wear it all the time.
34:07
Speaker 5: You guys have seen it a million times because I
34:09
Speaker 5: just wear it in and out of the office, and
34:11
Speaker 5: like it's one of those things. But it's also not
34:13
Speaker 5: only has our I guess mindset been warped into assuming
34:16
Speaker 5: that a four hundred dollar dress is too expensive and
34:18
Speaker 5: again just highlighting privilege. That is a very expensive dress.
34:22
Speaker 5: By no means I am I trying to tell people
34:25
Speaker 5: go spend four.
34:25
Speaker 1: Hundred dollars on dresses. It's more ethical, That's not what
34:28
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
34:29
Speaker 5: But cost per wear comes into it as well, Like
34:32
Speaker 5: I wear that dress all the time, and.
34:33
Speaker 1: That's actually the purpose.
34:35
Speaker 5: Like Beck, you shouldn't be buying a T shirt if
34:37
Speaker 5: you're just gonna wear it one time with one outfit
34:40
Speaker 5: because you want to go out on a Saturday. We
34:41
Speaker 5: shouldn't be buying dresses so that we can, you know,
34:44
Speaker 5: wear it to our friend's wedding and then never never
34:46
Speaker 5: pick it up again.
34:47
Speaker 1: I just think that there's this really weird idea.
34:50
Speaker 5: And you guys know that I talk about, you know,
34:52
Speaker 5: re wearing stuff all the time, and I would love
34:55
Speaker 5: to think that I'm the coin of that. I just
34:57
Speaker 5: can't understand why we need to buy new dresses for
34:59
Speaker 5: absolutely every single event. We've had our International Women's Day
35:02
Speaker 5: events recently, and oh my gosh, beck I felt like
35:06
Speaker 5: I made it. A couple of companies reached out and said,
35:09
Speaker 5: can we give you dresses to wear to those events?
35:11
Speaker 1: I felt so baller, that is so cool, so cool,
35:15
Speaker 1: I said, no, I already have dresses, Like I already
35:18
Speaker 1: have a few dresses that I you know, in my head,
35:21
Speaker 1: like because International Women's Day is my favorite thing in
35:23
Speaker 1: the entire world.
35:24
Speaker 5: I'd been planning it for months. I was like, okay, cool,
35:26
Speaker 5: I have this dress. And you know, there's this one
35:28
Speaker 5: particular dress that I'd worn a few times and really loved.
35:30
Speaker 5: And then my best friend borrowed it for like my
35:32
Speaker 5: wedding recovery party, and then like another friend borrowed it
35:35
Speaker 5: because I'd seen it and Gabby's borrowed it before and
35:37
Speaker 5: used it, and I just really wanted to wear that
35:39
Speaker 5: because it's a dress that I feel good.
35:41
Speaker 1: In and I feel confident in. And they don't understand
35:43
Speaker 1: why I would buy it, wear it once and then say, oh,
35:45
Speaker 1: I can't wear that again because I wore that.
35:47
Speaker 5: And I was seen in that at some other event.
35:49
Speaker 5: Why like, can't we just buy a dress that makes
35:51
Speaker 5: us feel good and wear it all the time because
35:53
Speaker 5: I still look good in at the third, fourth, fiftieth time.
35:55
Speaker 5: I just don't understand anyway. So that wasn't me trying
35:59
Speaker 5: to flex and be like, oh, someone said that I
36:00
Speaker 5: could have free dresses and I said no, cool, But
36:03
Speaker 5: it really made me think because I was kind of like, okay,
36:06
Speaker 5: and I did go down that track of going, oh
36:08
Speaker 5: my gosh, this brand's amazing, Like I would love to
36:10
Speaker 5: go on their website and pick four random dresses for
36:12
Speaker 5: these four events that I have coming up. And I'm
36:14
Speaker 5: not saying I never buy new stuff, but I got
36:17
Speaker 5: to their website and found my mindset going, I need
36:21
Speaker 5: to find four dresses. I hadn't thought about that brand
36:24
Speaker 5: before then. I hadn't gone, oh, I really like that dress.
36:27
Speaker 5: I wonder if I could work with them, Like they
36:29
Speaker 5: were just going to send me four random dresses and
36:30
Speaker 5: it just felt a bit wrong.
36:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, does that make sense that? Like it sounds fuller
36:35
Speaker 1: at the start, and then you're.
36:36
Speaker 4: Like, oh, yeah, I really like knuckle down.
36:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like, as someone who really wants to live
36:41
Speaker 5: their values as well, it felt nice to go, no,
36:43
Speaker 5: you know what, I really do like that. And hopefully
36:46
Speaker 5: even if one person in our community notices, oh, that
36:48
Speaker 5: was a dress that Victoria had already worn, Like I
36:50
Speaker 5: kind of like that and they do the same thing.
36:52
Speaker 5: It's like small things in the right direction, right absolutely.
36:55
Speaker 4: On that vet, Tell me about cost per weear, I've
36:58
Speaker 4: actually never really thought about that.
37:00
Speaker 1: Tell me you haven't listened to all of the Sheese
37:01
Speaker 1: on the Money podcast without telling me, I don't listen
37:04
Speaker 1: to all of our podcasts.
37:06
Speaker 5: But okay, So essentially, cost per wear is something that
37:09
Speaker 5: we talk about to reduce the item's cost, or from
37:14
Speaker 5: my perspective, sometimes just justify purchasing that item that maybe
37:17
Speaker 5: on a need, I'll tell myself up, but I'll get
37:19
Speaker 5: a hips aware out of it.
37:20
Speaker 1: Cost per wear on this will be so low.
37:22
Speaker 5: But essentially, if you buy a twenty dollar dress and
37:24
Speaker 5: you wear it only once, that cost twenty dollars and
37:27
Speaker 5: that's actually not that great of an investment. But if
37:30
Speaker 5: you went and bought a two hundred dollar dress made
37:32
Speaker 5: of sustainable materials and you wear it ten times, that's
37:35
Speaker 5: also twenty dollars aware, so you kind of justify it
37:39
Speaker 5: in a way, but it has less damaging materials upon disposal,
37:42
Speaker 5: and it's better in all. And if you bought that
37:46
Speaker 5: twenty dollar dress just to wear out one Saturday, and
37:48
Speaker 5: you bought it online and it was in a sale,
37:49
Speaker 5: and maybe you don't even wear it, who knows, that
37:52
Speaker 5: actually ends up costing you personally more than an item
37:55
Speaker 5: that you bought for two hundred dollars that you keep
37:57
Speaker 5: wearing and wear again, and you know, actually get a
37:59
Speaker 5: lot of we are out of because if you then
38:01
Speaker 5: get address that's worth two hundred bucks and you know
38:04
Speaker 5: you have it for five years and you wear it
38:05
Speaker 5: two hundred times, that's a dollar per way. H It's
38:08
Speaker 5: pretty good, all right, and it justifies the item in
38:11
Speaker 5: a way. Yeah, again, I do think we really really
38:14
Speaker 5: set out to buy something once when we buy it
38:17
Speaker 5: we justify it to ourselves, but it's an impulse.
38:20
Speaker 2: You know.
38:21
Speaker 5: We might be late night scrolling, we might see something
38:23
Speaker 5: on sale and before you know, you've bought it, or
38:25
Speaker 5: you know what, I have bought so many items that
38:28
Speaker 5: I didn't need because I was anxious. So like I
38:31
Speaker 5: might be anxious of going out to my friend's birthday
38:34
Speaker 5: on the weekend because you know, when I was younger,
38:37
Speaker 5: they might be a boy there that I liked, or
38:39
Speaker 5: there might be like a new group of girls that
38:41
Speaker 5: I'm being introduced to, and I want to make a
38:42
Speaker 5: good impression. And one way that I would lessen my
38:45
Speaker 5: anxiety was to go and purchase a new item that
38:47
Speaker 5: made me feel good about myself. And I'm not saying
38:49
Speaker 5: don't do these things, but the amount of times I
38:52
Speaker 5: bought something that genuinely I.
38:54
Speaker 1: Didn't need is immeasurable.
38:57
Speaker 5: Like I would just buy stuff because it makes me
38:58
Speaker 5: feel better, right, And I think a lot of us
39:00
Speaker 5: it's retail therapy, right, Yeah, A lot of us use
39:03
Speaker 5: that as a tool to manage our emotions instead of
39:06
Speaker 5: just looking into like why do I feel like I
39:09
Speaker 5: need a new dress? Like, no one's going to judge
39:11
Speaker 5: me for wearing a dress I already have and already
39:14
Speaker 5: look good in.
39:15
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I say that income?
39:17
Speaker 5: It's an interesting concept, and I guess when clothes are
39:20
Speaker 5: priced cheaply, they kind of do seem like single use items,
39:24
Speaker 5: and it implies that our clothes are in a way disposable.
39:27
Speaker 5: And if we buy that message, I think it's really dangerous.
39:29
Speaker 5: And I mean, this cost per wear thing makes sense,
39:32
Speaker 5: but it goes back to that example I gave you
39:34
Speaker 5: earlier about school shoes.
39:36
Speaker 4: So let's say you're in minimum wage. You would love
39:38
Speaker 4: to buy something that's two hundred dollars instead of three
39:42
Speaker 4: dollars because you want to get more use out of it. Also,
39:45
Speaker 4: you want to be looking at an ethical and sustainable brand.
39:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you?
39:50
Speaker 4: What do you do? If you only have like three
39:52
Speaker 4: dollars to your name?
39:53
Speaker 5: You can still buy the Kmart T shirt. And I
39:55
Speaker 5: don't think you should feel bad about it.
39:56
Speaker 4: That's nice.
39:57
Speaker 5: I just don't think you should feel bad about that.
39:59
Speaker 5: I think it's all about my if your budget or
40:01
Speaker 5: only allows for that item. I mean there's lots of things.
40:04
Speaker 5: I could sit here and be like, okay, cool, Well
40:06
Speaker 5: you should be trying to op shop and you should
40:08
Speaker 5: be trying to thrift things, and maybe you could like
40:10
Speaker 5: ask a friend, or you could like do a million
40:12
Speaker 5: other things, right, But sometimes you just need a brand
40:15
Speaker 5: new crisp white T shirt, and if your budget is
40:17
Speaker 5: only allowing for you to purchase that from Camar, I
40:21
Speaker 5: think the mindset around that should be more of this
40:24
Speaker 5: is what my budget allows? Do I actually need this item?
40:27
Speaker 4: How much?
40:28
Speaker 1: Where am I going to get out of it?
40:30
Speaker 5: Checking items like that, I feel like I shouldn't throw
40:32
Speaker 5: came Out under a bus, and I'm not. I love
40:34
Speaker 5: came Out as much as everybody else in the entire world.
40:37
Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite shops to go through, and
40:39
Speaker 5: I swear every time I go in there for one thing,
40:41
Speaker 5: I come out with fifty. I am not immune to
40:44
Speaker 5: that either. But like having a look at things and
40:47
Speaker 5: going are they actually okay?
40:48
Speaker 1: Quality? Like is this going to serve me? Like if
40:50
Speaker 1: you need that white T shirt? Does came Out?
40:52
Speaker 5: Have a few options that you could have a look
40:54
Speaker 5: at and pick the best quality one, not impulse purchasing
40:58
Speaker 5: things and actually purchasing things you need. So I think
41:01
Speaker 5: sometimes again, regardless of your income, we can all feel
41:03
Speaker 5: anxious about buying things and justify that we need a
41:06
Speaker 5: new T shirt.
41:06
Speaker 1: Wheen, maybe we don't.
41:07
Speaker 5: Let's check if we actually need that item, because it's
41:11
Speaker 5: not that common to walk into an opshop and get
41:13
Speaker 5: a perfectly crisp white T shirt.
41:15
Speaker 1: Right.
41:15
Speaker 5: We can thrif lots of things, but sometimes you just
41:18
Speaker 5: need something new, and that's okay. And I think we
41:21
Speaker 5: actually really need to break down that barrier of buying
41:23
Speaker 5: fast fashion is terrible. I think buying fast fashion can
41:28
Speaker 5: be really bad, and I want the industry to change,
41:31
Speaker 5: but is not your personal responsibility. And I think that
41:34
Speaker 5: if that's what your budget allows, that's totally okay. I
41:37
Speaker 5: think it's more about your intention. If you're buying fast fashion,
41:40
Speaker 5: let's try and make it not disposable. Let's try and
41:43
Speaker 5: get good wear out of it. Let's make sure that
41:44
Speaker 5: we are looking after our items and washing them properly.
41:46
Speaker 5: And if they say don't tumble dry, just don't tumble
41:48
Speaker 5: dry the items so it lasts longer and you're actually
41:51
Speaker 5: getting wear out of your clothes. Stuff like that, I
41:54
Speaker 5: think is what we really need to be considering. And
41:56
Speaker 5: then as your income increases, maybe you can make more
41:59
Speaker 5: sustainable decisions in the future. Maybe if your budget does
42:02
Speaker 5: allow it. You can go thrift shopping and you know,
42:04
Speaker 5: try and be a little bit more sustainable that way.
42:08
Speaker 5: But I just think that it's rude and it is
42:11
Speaker 5: disrespectful and it is a really cruel thing to make
42:14
Speaker 5: people feel bad for the financial circumstances they're in and say, well,
42:18
Speaker 5: I can't believe the only options you have are that
42:21
Speaker 5: you should do better. That's awful. That's awful, and we
42:23
Speaker 5: don't do that in this house. That is not who
42:26
Speaker 5: we are. That is not what we do. What we
42:27
Speaker 5: do is understand the environment, understand.
42:30
Speaker 1: Where we are.
42:31
Speaker 5: And then if you're in the privileged position to have
42:34
Speaker 5: the budget that allows that, I think it is then
42:37
Speaker 5: your responsibility to not be buying fast fashion. I think
42:40
Speaker 5: you're the person that that is sitting on. So I
42:43
Speaker 5: put a lot more onners on myself. Should I be
42:46
Speaker 5: personally buying a Kmart T shirt? No, No, I don't
42:49
Speaker 5: think I should be, because I have the power of choice.
42:52
Speaker 5: I love that and I think that that's a very
42:54
Speaker 5: big part of this and probably a really good.
42:56
Speaker 1: Place to leave it.
42:56
Speaker 4: Well, I feel so seen, b. Thank you so much
42:58
Speaker 4: for that making me feel all all for this. But
43:00
Speaker 4: I think it is worth mentioning that there are some
43:03
Speaker 4: affordable places that you can go that are also like
43:06
Speaker 4: ethically and sustainably sourced. And some of those, just off
43:11
Speaker 4: the top of my head would be obviously op shops,
43:13
Speaker 4: which now absolutely I'm trying to ease myself into.
43:16
Speaker 5: I'll buy you some omo and some dead old wash
43:19
Speaker 5: and then you might feel a little bit better about it.
43:21
Speaker 4: Thank you. Maybe therapy could be useful.
43:23
Speaker 1: That's actually just truly expensive gown.
43:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, and with the fact that bulk billing in Australia
43:29
Speaker 5: seems to be less and less prevalent, maybe we'll just
43:31
Speaker 5: go with the yeah, yeah, therapy.
43:35
Speaker 4: Yeah done, or yeah, so you know, obviously deep hop.
43:39
Speaker 4: I love a bit of deep hop, a bit of
43:40
Speaker 4: deep hop.
43:41
Speaker 1: Market market place is a very sexy place to exist.
43:44
Speaker 1: It is so good.
43:45
Speaker 4: It feels a bit different to thrift shopping too, because
43:48
Speaker 4: you can meet the owner.
43:50
Speaker 5: You are very weird in the way that you dostify
43:53
Speaker 5: things to yourself.
43:54
Speaker 1: But I'm here, don't know. I support you, no, I
43:56
Speaker 1: love it, thank you.
43:57
Speaker 4: Look, I think this is a really good place to
43:59
Speaker 4: leave it.
43:59
Speaker 5: I think so to equivalent A lot do good be good,
44:02
Speaker 5: but only in the breadths of what your resources allow.
44:05
Speaker 4: He year is exactly it absolutely love.
44:07
Speaker 1: That love you see Friday.
44:09
Speaker 4: Hey guys bye.
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