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From Physio to Formula One: Kim Keedle’s Elite Performance Journey · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

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  Speaker 1: Kim Ketele, Welcome to the Heartiness Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, so may you.
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  Speaker 3: You've got had a very interesting career, pretty non standard
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  Speaker 3: for somebody who started as a physio. Probably in fact,
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  Speaker 3: you probably landed the dream job. And tell our tell
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  Speaker 3: our listeners. Just take us through a kind of a
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  Speaker 3: tour of your career. Starting at UNI. Why did you
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  Speaker 3: want to do physio and then ticket from there?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah sounds good. So, yeah, I became a physio. I'm
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  Speaker 4: based in Melbourne. Went to the University of Melbourne and
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  Speaker 4: studying physio purely because growing up, I'd always had, you know,
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  Speaker 4: an interest in sports, and I'd always wanted to work
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  Speaker 4: with athletes, so I thought that physio was a nice
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  Speaker 4: segue into into that career path, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And really enjoyed the degree.
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  Speaker 4: But I'd say that one of the things that I
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  Speaker 4: was a little bit frustrated with on a personal notice
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  Speaker 4: that we spent a lot of time in hospitals and
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  Speaker 4: doing public health stuff, which is great, that I had.
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  Speaker 2: More of a more of a yearning to learn more
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  Speaker 2: about working.
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  Speaker 4: With athletes and and sort of high performance and how
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  Speaker 4: you prepare athletes and help them perform their best. So
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  Speaker 4: I went then went and studied a master's in strength
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  Speaker 4: and conditioning at Edith Cow and you just to add
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  Speaker 4: that skill set to my repertoire.
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  Speaker 3: And they, by the way, they they're great, they're great
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  Speaker 3: masters really really, I think Regon it's the I Regon,
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  Speaker 3: it's the best in Australia. I was going to do
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  Speaker 3: it that for a while. What do you call them,
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  Speaker 3: Professor Robert Newton Robert, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And the head of the course was an American called
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  Speaker 4: Greg hath who's very, very experienced in strength and conditioning
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  Speaker 4: through America. And then a lady called Sophia and Nympius
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  Speaker 4: and who's exquisite if you ever have the chance to
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  Speaker 4: see her speak about, especially around female athlete preparation and
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  Speaker 4: athlete developments, unbelievable. So I came away from that course
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  Speaker 4: feeling like I could now go and work in sports
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  Speaker 4: and understand how to.
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  Speaker 2: Prepare athletes and work with athletes, which was great.
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  Speaker 4: From there, like all sort of young Australians do I
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  Speaker 4: move over to the UK, because of course you did,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we did the opposite to what to what
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  Speaker 4: the Northern Hemisphere folks do?
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  Speaker 2: They all move here? But you know, I had a
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  Speaker 2: British passport.
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  Speaker 4: So as a young sort of mid mid twenties twenty five,
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  Speaker 4: I moved over there. It's a good excuse to travel
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  Speaker 4: Europe and see the world and have a broader experience
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  Speaker 4: and what you can get in Australia as much as
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  Speaker 4: I love Australia and ended up falling into a job
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  Speaker 4: working at the University of Leeds, which is about three
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  Speaker 4: hours north of London. I was working there overseeing all
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  Speaker 4: of their sports departments, so all of their Olympic athletes,
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  Speaker 4: rugby team, netballers, anyone that was on an Olympic pathway
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  Speaker 4: or who they deemed to be like a scholarship worthy athlete,
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  Speaker 4: which was awesome working with students that have no money.
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  Speaker 4: They value your inputs so much. It's just little things
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  Speaker 4: that you can do, you know, to really help them,
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  Speaker 4: and the appreciation that they have from that is so strong.
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  Speaker 4: So I found that super rewarding.
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  Speaker 3: And then through some and Leeds are leads is are
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  Speaker 3: cracking place at around the UNI.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Awesome's got a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of history in it and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I guess for your listeners, Leeds is a it's
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  Speaker 4: a you know, it's a city, but it's a small
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  Speaker 4: enough city that you can still walk across it in
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  Speaker 4: fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's super friendly.
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  Speaker 4: Northern folk are super friendly in the UK, probably more
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  Speaker 4: similar to Australians, i'd say than you know, a typical Londoner.
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  Speaker 4: And so so for me moving over there, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you can move to London and there's so many Aussies
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  Speaker 4: and so many keyways that you can go there, and
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  Speaker 4: you can just get very stuck in your friendship groups.
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  Speaker 4: But actually me moving to Leeds gave me a real
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  Speaker 4: British experience. I created some real, you know, British, really
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  Speaker 4: strong friendships with with British people who you know, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to be friends with for life. So that was
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  Speaker 4: that was a really good experience for any personally. I
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  Speaker 4: then sort of fell into Formula one. There was a
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  Speaker 4: mutual connection through someone I knew. There was a doctor
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  Speaker 4: working in Formula one who's an Australian. His name is
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  Speaker 4: Luke Bennett. He now lives in Austin and has a
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  Speaker 4: practice over in America. But they were basically looking for
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  Speaker 4: a physio or a performance coach to come in and
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  Speaker 4: help set up a performance program for a new team
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  Speaker 4: called hass Formula one team.
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so working with their mechanics and engineers just to
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  Speaker 4: help them be healthier and improve on themselves personally, because
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  Speaker 4: one of the things about Formula one is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: at that time it was a twenty race season. It's
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  Speaker 4: now a twenty four race season. So there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of time spent away from home. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: time traveling, a lot of time spent at airports and
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  Speaker 4: in hotels, and you know, you're never in a solid
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  Speaker 4: routine where you're eating home cooked meals and these sort
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  Speaker 4: of thing. So it's just a big education piece and
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  Speaker 4: creating a program to really help the mechanics and engineers.
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  Speaker 4: And then yes, sorry, and I was.
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  Speaker 3: Going to say that the mechanics and engineers they've got
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  Speaker 3: to be really switched on as well, right, I mean
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  Speaker 3: everybody talks about the athletes, and yes, it's demanding for
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  Speaker 3: the athletes, but Jesus, I mean, Mulder sport is probably
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  Speaker 3: the one where there's just more data and and instantaneous decisions.
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  Speaker 1: And everything has to be done super super quick.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, spot on.
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  Speaker 4: And so you know, these guys are working long hours,
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  Speaker 4: much longer hours than what the drivers are when they're
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  Speaker 4: at the track. So you've got the mechanics who are
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  Speaker 4: building the car, who are in you know, either super
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  Speaker 4: cold garages or super hot garages, working long days. And
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  Speaker 4: when I say that, you know, if someone forgets to
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  Speaker 4: screw in a bolt, the car can fail. I'm serious
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  Speaker 4: about that, and I've seen it happen, you know. So
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  Speaker 4: if you have a lapse in concentration when you're a mechanic,
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  Speaker 4: there can be dire consequences. And at the same time
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  Speaker 4: with engineers as well, who are making decisions about how
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  Speaker 4: the car's built, or they might be making strategy decisions
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  Speaker 4: within race, and you've got to split the set second
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  Speaker 4: to decide what do we go for strategy A or
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  Speaker 4: do we go.
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  Speaker 2: For strategy B.
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  Speaker 4: And if you if you get the wrong decision, that
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  Speaker 4: affects the outcome of the race, which then obviously impacts
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people. So yeah, it's everyone thinks about
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  Speaker 4: the driver, but it is a it is a brutal
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  Speaker 4: sport for all.
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  Speaker 2: Of the team that's involved. So it's been fascinating to
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  Speaker 2: work in.
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  Speaker 1: And so talk us through your journey through motorsport.
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  Speaker 3: I long have you worked in or did you work
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  Speaker 3: in motorshboard and who are you working with?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was in there for eight and a
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  Speaker 4: half years. I still have my toe dipped in a
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  Speaker 4: little bit here and there. But so I worked with
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  Speaker 4: Hears with their team for a season setting up this program,
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  Speaker 4: and then from there I actually started working one on
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  Speaker 4: one with one of their drivers, whose name was Roman Grojeon.
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  Speaker 4: He was a French Swiss driver. I was with him
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  Speaker 4: for three seasons, which was incredible experience. He was towards
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  Speaker 4: the end of his career, so it was nice to
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  Speaker 4: work with an athlete who had already spent sort of
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  Speaker 4: ten years in Formula one. He then sort of left
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  Speaker 4: Formula one and at that time Oscar Piastri, who's a
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  Speaker 4: Melbourne boy, a fellow Australian driver who hopefully a lot
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  Speaker 4: of your listeners will know about, he was coming into.
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  Speaker 3: Certainly well, I was at sorry, just a quick little interelt.
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  Speaker 3: I was at the air one whenever it was here,
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  Speaker 3: just recently, and the amount of people with an Oscar
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  Speaker 3: of Piastree top on, it's incredible. He didn't even get
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  Speaker 3: to start Draus right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'll tell I can tell a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of a story about that in a few minutes.
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  Speaker 2: But okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, so Yes started working with Oscar when he
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  Speaker 4: was in Formula two. So Formula two is like a development,
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  Speaker 4: a stepping stone into Formula One.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: If you're win Formula two, then in principle you're going
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  Speaker 4: to become a Formula one driver. And so I was
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  Speaker 4: very lucky to work start working with Oscar when he
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  Speaker 4: was nineteen in Formula two and we won in his
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  Speaker 4: first year and then he progressed obviously to become the
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  Speaker 4: McLaren driver that he is. So I worked with Oscar
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  Speaker 4: for four seasons and I moved home back to Australia
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  Speaker 4: a year ago. After being on the road for eight years,
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  Speaker 4: I decided it was time to come back to Melbourne
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  Speaker 4: and start setting up ROUTSI.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell us our little story. Yeah, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into the other hunt.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a bit of a bittersweet story. I
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  Speaker 4: still have a very good relationship with Oscar. We get
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  Speaker 4: on well in some aspects, is almost like a little
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  Speaker 4: brother to me. But prior to the race this year,
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  Speaker 4: with all of the things going on in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 4: George Russell's performance coach, so the same job that I
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  Speaker 4: would do for Oscar, but for George Russell, his performance coach,
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  Speaker 4: got court in Gaitar and wasn't able to get a
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  Speaker 4: flight to Australia.
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  Speaker 2: So the Tuesday prior to the race this year.
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  Speaker 4: I got a call from George Russell's management team saying, hey,
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  Speaker 4: are you and Melbourne? Can you help us out this
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  Speaker 4: week with George and be his coach for the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: So I text Oscar. Oscar was all like, all okay
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  Speaker 4: with it. So I ended up working with George, which
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  Speaker 4: in some regards was a great success story because George
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  Speaker 4: went on and won the Melbourne Grand Prix. Right, but
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  Speaker 4: I was stood on the grid when Oscar crashed, and
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  Speaker 4: on the next to the start finished line was the
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  Speaker 4: Oscar Piastre grandstand, so everyone was in his T shirt.
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  Speaker 4: The excitement was high and I just turned around after
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  Speaker 4: he crashed and saw this, yeah, look of sadness on
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  Speaker 4: everyone's face. Massive deflation and even on a personal note
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  Speaker 4: from me, right, a massive deflation.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I was working for George that weekend, but I still
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  Speaker 4: care for Oscar so much, so it was it was
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  Speaker 4: such a shame, but.
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  Speaker 2: That's part of life and that's part of professional sports. Unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it totainly is.
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  Speaker 3: So, so let's talk a little bit about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: being on the road and working with athletes. I've got
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  Speaker 3: a good friends Jason Stacey, who's the performance coach for.
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  Speaker 1: Arianna as a rank of the tent y.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the guy with the bald head that where
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  Speaker 3: she signs his head and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great party check.
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  Speaker 3: But but yeah, I mean the amount of of of
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  Speaker 3: work and preparation and and you know the time changing
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  Speaker 3: time zones and and and you know circarean alignment all.
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  Speaker 1: Of this sort.
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  Speaker 3: So just just give us a kind of a bit
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  Speaker 3: of a taste of the stuff that these guys have
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  Speaker 3: to do. And were a performer coach, you know, where's
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  Speaker 3: your remit in terms of.
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  Speaker 1: Preparing these guys.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I guess my role as the performance coach
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  Speaker 4: was to take care of all of the oscars or
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  Speaker 4: the driver's physical preparation, mental preparation, nutritional preparation, everything outside
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  Speaker 4: of the car away from the track, so that then
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  Speaker 4: the driver can get into the car and go and
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  Speaker 4: do their job, which is to hopefully drive fast. So
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  Speaker 4: it's a very very diverse role where you're taking care
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  Speaker 4: of a lot of facets as you touched on Tennis
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  Speaker 4: is actually very similar to Formula one in terms of individuals,
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  Speaker 4: so you know, you don't really have a big support
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  Speaker 4: team where you certainly don't have a locker room full
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  Speaker 4: of other footy players that you're sharing that camaraderie with.
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  Speaker 2: But also massive travel schedules.
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  Speaker 4: So Formula one is twenty four races over the course
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  Speaker 4: of the season, spanning from sort of February to December.
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  Speaker 4: That includes races in Japan, China, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, US,
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  Speaker 4: Middle East. So it's global sport and the travel therefore,
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  Speaker 4: the travel demands.
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  Speaker 2: Are just so high.
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  Speaker 4: I think they have about thirty jet lag moments over
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  Speaker 4: the course of the year, so you know, just constantly
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  Speaker 4: fighting jet lag and you know, making sure that you're
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  Speaker 4: able to able to overcome that to then go and
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  Speaker 4: perform on a weekend. But add in there, you know,
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  Speaker 4: adding then media commitments. Formula one is a global sport.
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  Speaker 4: I think eight hundred million people watched Formula one last
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  Speaker 4: year since since Netflix has sort of brought it into
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  Speaker 4: everyone's lounge rooms. It's a massive sport and it's growing
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  Speaker 4: at an astonishing rate. So you know, adding media commitments
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  Speaker 4: and then adding marketing commitments as well. Every brand now
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  Speaker 4: wants to be associated with Formula One teams. Teams like
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  Speaker 4: McLaren and Mercedes have got fifty plus brand partners, which
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  Speaker 4: then obviously requires drivers to you know, service those spend
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  Speaker 4: time with the brands and the important people there, so
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  Speaker 4: you know, adding marketing and media days on top of
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  Speaker 4: them having to rock up the twenty four races over
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  Speaker 4: the course of the year and perform, it becomes a
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  Speaker 4: very busy, especially for these young twenty year olds, which
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  Speaker 4: is what most.
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  Speaker 3: Of them now, and presumably like when a REUS finishes,
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  Speaker 3: I would imagine that a lot of the team and
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  Speaker 3: the mechanics they're loading up and they're going to the
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  Speaker 3: next venue to get sat.
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  Speaker 1: Up and do all of that.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm guessing the drivers come a little bit later
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  Speaker 3: and may be training, then get home for a while
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  Speaker 3: and then go to the next places.
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  Speaker 4: But that'd be correct, yeah, spot on, spot on. So
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  Speaker 4: it depends where you are in the world. But as
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  Speaker 4: a general rule, so during our winter and Europeans summer,
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  Speaker 4: there's a bit of a European season where there's maybe
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  Speaker 4: eight European races in a row, So in that regards
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  Speaker 4: during that time. Yeah, the Formula One drivers get a
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  Speaker 4: chance to go home, they'll they'll leave straight away after
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  Speaker 4: a race.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of them now live in Monaco.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the tack tacks tacks in the weather.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Yeah, the climate is beautiful, is my understanding.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but actually it's a it's quite a good community
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  Speaker 4: there now because you know there are fifteen or sixteen drivers.
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  Speaker 4: There actually a good little community there amongst them, which
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  Speaker 4: is quite nice. But anyway, so they'll clear out after
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  Speaker 4: a race, go straight back home to Monico. They may
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  Speaker 4: have to go to the UK to do some you know,
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  Speaker 4: a simulate a day with the engineers or whatever it is,
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  Speaker 4: but then they will normally go back to a race
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  Speaker 4: on a on a Thursday, whereas the mechanics and the
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  Speaker 4: engineers are traveling for a lot of that time. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that they certainly get to spend more time at home
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  Speaker 4: than probably what the mechanics do.
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  Speaker 2: M No.
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  Speaker 3: There will be quite a few people listening to this
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  Speaker 3: sort of corporates who who make travel across time zones.
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  Speaker 1: So so what what can we what can.
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  Speaker 3: Us normal people learn from elite sport in terms of
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  Speaker 3: managing jet like.
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  Speaker 1: Like, what's what are some of the strategies that you use.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, and I'll say, you know, there's many ways
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  Speaker 4: to skin a cat, and also people tolerate with different
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  Speaker 4: things differently as well. But certainly there's some great things
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  Speaker 4: that you can do, and you know, websites that you
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  Speaker 4: can access or apps that you can access to start planning,
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  Speaker 4: pre arrive in new destination, so to start sleeping on
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  Speaker 4: the time zone that you'd need to start doing, so
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  Speaker 4: just having a bit of a body clock shift. And
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  Speaker 4: then there's some nice things that you can do when
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  Speaker 4: you land, and there's some different change trains of thought. Sorry,
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  Speaker 4: but basically, when you land, you want to start getting
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  Speaker 4: on that time zone as soon as possible, get outdoors
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  Speaker 4: in the morning, see sunlight, do a bit of light
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  Speaker 4: cardio work, so it might even just be a twenty
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  Speaker 4: minute walk or even I'll walk on the treadmill, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean. But just to get moving, and
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  Speaker 4: that's the biggest way to overcome jet lag, I guess efficiently.
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  Speaker 4: Now that's in theory, always easier said than done, but yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For me, that's the big one.
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  Speaker 3: And as soon as I get somewhere, I try to
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  Speaker 3: get right into sunnight and I try to exercise, particularly
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  Speaker 3: out doors. Like I think the worst people thinking people
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  Speaker 3: can do is land somewhere and just go to the
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  Speaker 3: hotailp that's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it depends what time you land, but that's
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  Speaker 4: certainly true. Like the worst thing you can do is
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  Speaker 4: have a nap for four hours from two to six
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  Speaker 4: pm and then you're laying awake at three am. It's
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  Speaker 4: a lonely it's a lonely, lonely place to be when
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  Speaker 4: you're laying in a hotel room at three am staring
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  Speaker 4: at the ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: That's time goes slowly when that happens.
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  Speaker 1: And without giving away too many secrets.
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  Speaker 3: So are you trying to get their their their kind
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  Speaker 3: of nutrition aligned to sircurity and cycles as well as
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  Speaker 3: they're traveling or before they're traveling. You know, you talked
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  Speaker 3: about trying to get the sleep match to it. I
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  Speaker 3: think when you eat has a big impact as well
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  Speaker 3: on metabolism and everything in the body.
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  Speaker 4: Right, it does, absolutely, And look, it depends which athlete
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  Speaker 4: you're working with. And you know, when I was working
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  Speaker 4: with Oscar, he was still very young in his athletic
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: journey and so therefore you can't throw every bit of information,
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: every tool at them, because they just simply won't be
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: able to take it all on board and therefore you
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: have non compliance. So you've got to try and choose,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: I guess get the most bank for back about what
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: you introduce. So sleep schedule is one of the things
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: for us, without worrying too much about the nutrition, but
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: certainly eating timing emals is great. And actually one of
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: the performance coaches from Formula one has since gone and
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: done a PhD in this sort of stuff in sleep
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: science and stuff, and he's actually just released an app
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: called Phase p h A z E okay, which is
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: probably going to be the world leading app in this
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: sort of stuff now. So it's a similar thing to
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: time shifter. You go in your update your flight details,
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: it then gives you eating sleeping, light exposure, exercise exposure
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: or based on algorithms, which is pretty impressive.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice because yeah, when you do a PhD.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: And it was actually my PhD supervisor when I was
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: doing then, he said, you need to realize that when
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: you finish your PhD, you're generally a world expert in
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: the area that you're that you're working in, right.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, you spend a lot of time studying it,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: so yeah, you'd hope.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and you know, you gives me some
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: great advice, he says, you know, when you're doing your PhD,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: talk to everybody you can and talk to the reach
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: out to the leading professors in your area, because they're
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: very open to talking to you while you're doing your PhD.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: As soon as you've got it, their doors shut.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I don't want to know about it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, unless unless you come, unless you're coming back
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: in there live.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah, so make the most of
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: it while you're still a student.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so, So tell us this, what what do
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: you think having spent all that time in elite sport
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: and you know, give us what's some nuggetive advice that
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: you have learned from elite sport that can apply to
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: everyday people.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's a really good question. I think athletes
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and every day people.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: You know what you're sorry, What you have to remember
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: is that athletes are everyday people. You know, we put
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: them up on a pedestal and yeah, they're high achievers,
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: that's for sure, but at the end of the day,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: they're just regular people that are doing a job to
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: an extremely high level. Right, So they have exactly the
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: same life challenges as us. They have, you know, exactly
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: the same emotions of us. They react to pressure exactly
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: the same way we do. There's no real difference. But
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: I think it's something that we always focus on, especially
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: working with Oscar because he was young.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Is you know, he doesn't need to be perfect overnight.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: But what we're doing over the course of three years
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: is we're just trying to improve on improve year on
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: year and get better day by day to help I guess,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: bring the best version of yourself day by.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Day, if that makes sense. So I think that's the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: that's the best way to tackle life as well.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, is you know, what am I doing
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: different this year that I didn't do last year? To
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: make myself a better person, or to make myself better
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: at my job, or to make myself a better parent
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: or partner or whatever it is. What have I implemented
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: this year to help me improve compared to last year?
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I think that's a pretty safe way of working.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what about dealing with stress and pressure? All right,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: what sort of what sort of techniques do you use
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: or do the athletes employ and what can can every
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: day people use as well.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So, I mean I guess that athletes are
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: lucky that they're well resourced. So we worked with very
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: closely with a lady called Emma Murray, who's a probably
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: one of Australia's best mind coaches. She's very successful in AFL,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: very successful Olympic sport and she's.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Been I've heard of her, Marie, Yeah, you'll know her.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's been great with Oscar so in that regards,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: you know, some of the things that have helped him
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: massively is just making sure day to day he has
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: a normal routine in terms of a structured routine. It's
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: not a chaotic life that he's living or trying to
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: keep normality within the chaotic travel schedule that he has,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: if that makes sense, Yeah, you know he then obviously
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: he then will also do some visualization. People in day
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: to day world might enjoy putting on some meditation or
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: listening to some music to unwind at the end of
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: the day, or having a pre bedtime routine so that
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: that's consistent. So there's I guess there's many different things
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: that you can do in your everyday life. And then
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: it's just finding out what works for you.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: That visualization is really interesting. I mean because you show
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: me a world class athlete. I saw you someone who
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: does visualization, right, and I that that we can all
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: do visualization about, you know, imagining your best self and
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: what do they do or visualize a stressful event and
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: you're dealing with it, and it's pretty it's pretty powerful stuff.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I remember seeing I think it was Jensen Button. This
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: was years ago, and it was a segment about him
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: doing a lap on a race track but visualizing it, right,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And so he's visualizing coming up to corner one, you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: coming around corner two, blah blah blah blah blah, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: ended up within half a second and his visualization of
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: what the actual race was.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Like, right. Yeah, And it's impressive that they can do that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: But that's exactly it. That's exactly it.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: And so for OSCO it will be you know, pre
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: race will be doing a ten minute visualization and breathing
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: routine about what's coming up.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: To help him prepare for the race.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're right, it sounds you know, I speak
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: to everyday people about this as well, and it's a
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: concept that sounds funny, but incredibly powerful concept.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Marcus Aurelius, I've got his dary over my shoulder.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Two thousand years ago.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: He was talking about visualizing your day or visualizing you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: the the challenges you would come up against and how
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: you're going to help recop them.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: So it's been around a long time.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: It certainly has, and I think it was Michael Phelps
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: said that at a major meat he used to do.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: In R visualization today.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Right, it's like stuff is proper you know, proper training,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: isn't it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I mean taking it to another extreme.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Even on top of that, Adam Petty who's a British swimmer,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: very British swimmer, his coach downloaded a stadium full of
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: you know, crowd cheering and put that onto his headphone
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: so he would visualize whilst there was crowd cheering as well,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: which is obviously you know, that's taking that to an
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: extreme level.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: We all can't do it. Yeah, that's the depth.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: So you know, you walk into a packed stadium, you've
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: already experienced that level of sound before you. Nothing is unexpected,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: You've you've prepared for every scenario.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: So that's that's taking into the.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Extreme that that is that I mean that that that's
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: pretty important, isn't it. There's guys at Plymouth Unit Portsmouth
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: University have developed functional imagery training where it is basically
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: you use all of your different senses, right, And I
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: actually even think back to my military training in helicopters
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: and we used to do a lot of simulator.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Work where you know, your instructor would throw curve.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Balls at you and all sorts of shit going on
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: an emergency, so as you're just having to deal with
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: all of this ship and you're massively stressed, and the
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: whole idea is inoculation training.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, it's.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Prefering you to deal with it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: And I just I don't think that that the everyday
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: person is kind of a word of how useful this
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: stuff can actually be in.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Their every day It's not just for lead athletes.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: No, it's not just for lead athletes.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: I guess the thing is is, you know, maybe it's
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: harder for the everyday person to get exposure to this.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: As I said, you know, athletes have got resources that
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: can be thrown at them and money to spend on it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: So then it's just about you know, where can you
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: find these resources for an everyday person to help.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if any of our listeners that google
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: functional imagery training, I'm sure there's some stuff that they
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: can they can do up there.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So so tell me this.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: So when did you decide to walk away from Formula One?
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people would be saying, and why
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: did you decide to walk away.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: From form Yeah, and a lot of people did say
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: that to me.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: You know, I had people when I told finally told
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: people that I was leaving, They're like, what are you doing, dickhead?
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: You've got the best job in the world, you know.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: So yeah, So I finished at the end of the
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty four season and moved back to Australia, so
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: about twelve months ago, now nearly eighten months ago actually,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: but I had probably known for a little bit that
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: it was coming. I really enjoyed working with Oscar and
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed working within mcclar and the team, but
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: you know, the pool for me to come back to
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Australia was too strong. And you know, whilst I loved
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: working in Formula One, when you're working for an individual
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: athlete in that role, you're very much dedicating your entire
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: life to them, which was a sacrifice I was willing
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: to make, but it obviously couldn't be forever. So I decided,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: probably at the start of the twenty twenty four season
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: that it was I was getting much closer to the
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: end of my Formula One career than I was, you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: at the start. But then I spoke to Oscar about
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: it through the middle of the twenty twenty four season
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: and he was great about it. He completely understood and
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: I was leaving with the right intentions. So yeah, yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: I mean it was a great job, unbelievable job. But
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: at the same time, you know, travel takes a toll,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Spending time away from friends and family takes a toll.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of personal sacrifice in terms of missing
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: mate's weddings, not being at birthdays, all of these sorts
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: of things. And again it was a sacrifice I was
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: very happy to do for that period of my life.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm now thirty six, and you know, at
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: some stage I needed to come home and start living
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: an adult life.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And it's putting some rich.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, I described my time in the military.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I think my reflection on it, it's a young single
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: month's game, and our young single woman's game and.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Spot on exactly.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: And I was single during the time, you know, which
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: was almost needed because having a partner would have made
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: it very difficult or at least made the burden a
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: lot heavier.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think people people appreciate just like
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: any athlete, whether it's a golfer, a tennis player, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the ones that travel around these global events very different
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: to be in, like a rugby player or an English
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Premier League player like me. I mean, some of the
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: rugby players if they're in the you know, their job,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: the nice team, they're traveling a lot. But it's a
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: lot of pressure on these athletes, isn't it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah, you know, it just
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: adds a different dynamic to it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, you're spending time away from your family
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: and you're spending time away from home, and you know
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: there's different not issues, but you know, different pressures that
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: arise when you're doing that. It's just part of the
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: part of the job.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it does add a different dynamic for sure.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, sorry, just one thing something I
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: always reflect on.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Formula one. They're very lucky that they get paid well.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Strives general rule not all of them, but a general rule,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: they're getting paid well. But you know, I think about
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: tennis players who are outside of the top fifty and
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: you know, we see, okay, you come to the Australian
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Opening in the first round, you still win sixty grand.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: That sounds great on paper, but gee, these guys outside
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: of the top fifty, you've got a slug. You know,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: you're traveling to remote places, you don't know when your
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: tournament's going to be over. You're having to pay for
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: your training, to calm your coach, to come your manager
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: to com hotels, afairs. It's a it's a brutal wife,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: it really is.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And then you know the fact that you're
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: so under the microscope. So you know, if you just
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: thinking about the listeners, like, have you in the last
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: six months made a bit of a mistake at work, right,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure everybody has.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Oscar made a tiny little.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Mistake, like like a split second mistake and millions and
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: millions of people see it, and you know, coping criticism
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: and all those people in the stadium like like that's
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: frigging pressure.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is pressure.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, yeah, and you're right, you know, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: the same. So the people who do the pit stops
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: in Formula one. So during a Formula one race, part
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: of the rules is you have to come in, you
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: have to change all four tires to a different rubber.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: That's part of the rules. And the people who do
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the pit.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Stops are the mechanics, right, So these guys are blue
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: collar workers. They're not high performance athletes. They haven't gone
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: through football academies or junior training programs. They're just mechanics
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: who really like working on cars. And now you have
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: to come and do a pit stop live in a
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: race in two point five seconds. And if you're the
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: mechanic that makes the mistake and the wheel doesn't get
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: put on properly and the wheel falls off, and you've
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: got a hundred million people watching it, and it's your responsibility,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: that's a mistake to make, you know what I mean.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were lucky enough to be sitting in the
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: groundstone across from the Petley and seeing all that happen.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: And I've seen one of the things. It was asked
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: in maright and it screwed up and I was it
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: had the wrong tie.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It's just like, Fuck's right.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you that's a that's a high pressure
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: situation for those sports as well.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: There's not a big enough hole they can find to
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: hide enough.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: No, no, exactly.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: You know, that's part of the parcel and that's why
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: you're with the team to support you that. And it's
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: never one person's fault, you know, there's always a process
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: that breaks down prior to that occurring normally, but still
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: it's tough not to blind yourself.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: And presumably you over your time witness those gaye training.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I mean they must drill that so often for them
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: to be so and anybody who's not watched it, I
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: just google the pet stop like it's freaking amazing how
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: precise and quick these guys are.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: It is it is, And yeah, they do practice it
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: a lot, and they've started, you know, since I started
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: working in Formula one nine years ago, they've started to
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: really take that more.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Professionally as well because they understand that it can impact
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the race.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: But yeah, they are practicing it when they're back at
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: the factory in the UK or wherever their factory is,
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: and then practicing it, you know, up to one hundred
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: times over the race weekend and planning for all scenarios
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: as you said to make sure that they're not met
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: with any unexpected curveballs.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: So is there anything that you've learned over your journey
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: that you think you will keep with you forever. I'm
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: sure there's a few things, whether it's physical, mental lessons learnt,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: you know, what would they be?
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess the one thing I've really learned from
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: you know, one thing that I've taken away from working
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: with athletes across all spectrums, but you know, particularly very successful,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: very driven athletes, is they are pretty ruthlessly focused on
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: the goal that they want to achieve, and they also
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: have a very clear understanding of what's required to achieve
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: it and what's not required to achieve it. So these
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: are the things that are important and everything else is noise, right,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: And I've really found out with working with these top performers.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: So that's one thing.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: And then I guess another thing that I another thing
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: that really sort.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Of I took away. It's quite a powerful lesson for
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: everyday life. Actually was.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I was working with Oscar and Monaco at the race.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Oscar came second that weekend, which is unbelievable result for
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: an Australian driver. You know, both Melbourne boys being over
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: in Monaco, and for anyone that's been to Monaco, it's
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: a an out of this world experience, just a completely
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: different level of wealth and money and super yachts and
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: models and all this sort of stuff.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: So anyway, we woke up the next.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Day and Matt Damon, the actor who's Jason Born, had
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: asked to meet Oscar.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: So we went and met with Matt Damon.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: And Oscar's like nineteen or twenty, that's right.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And Oscar goes on, there's probably one person
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I can't say no to, and that's Matt Damon. So anyway,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: we went and met him. Awesome, really really nice guy,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: and we were talking to him. He was talking to
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: Oscar and giving him a bit of advice, a bit
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: of advice, and one of the things that he had
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: said was he looking back on his career, especially when
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: he was a young actor and winning a lot of
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: awards and doing a lot of cool stuff, one of
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: the things that he didn't spend enough time doing was
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: just pausing in the moment and giving himself a pat
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: on the back and acknowledging that what.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Is achievement is really really good. And so we took
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: that going forwards.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: And that's something that I always try to do now
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  Speaker 4: just in my day to day life, where if I
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: achieved something that I want to do is just take
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: a moment and actually, hey, you've done a bloody good
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: job there, like congratulations and now you know, move on
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: with it and go on to the next thing.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I think that is really excellent advice.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember who the professor was, who's done the
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: research that choose that, and it's about savering. Savering success
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: is that you should be saving it and cheer. I
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: can't remember the details of the study, but ten to
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: twelve seconds to reflect and siever and say, hey, yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I've actually done a really good job.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Because I think a lot.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Of people, particularly if they're gold driven, tend to be right,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: got that done? Right?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: What's next? What's next? What's next?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: But we do need to saver it to have it
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: like process in our brain that will then help build
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: our self efficacy and all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's interesting you say ten to twelve seconds,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: because I didn't know that number, But honestly, that's that's
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: all it feels like, is what you do need. But
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: you know you need more than a second. But ten
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: to twelve second seems about right. And like the other
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: thing I would say is, you know, life just seems
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: to be getting busier more and more by the day.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: You know, we're getting pulled in every direction in social media, family,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: cost of living.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: All of this sort of stuff.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: And so to actually just take pause, as you said,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: ten seconds and just give yourself quick pal on the
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: back and say, hey, I've done a bloody good job
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: here is super rewarding. And yeah, so that's one thing
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I really took away from that, and I was like, oh,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: that's a good piece of advice going forward.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and and look again, Marcus Aurelius pops up for me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he said he would get up in the
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: morning and visualize his day and and do a quick
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: journal about what values and virtues he wanted to express
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: that day, how he wanted to be here, and then
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: in the evening he would take his journal out again
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: and he would reflect on his day and go here,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: here's what I said. I wanted to do what went
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: well and what needs some work. And I think that
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: that bookending is really really powerful because because it's we
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: do need to have some time to reflect, to reflect
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: on what has happened.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: What lessons am I going to learn from today? What
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: went well? What needs work?
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, athletes and elite performers do it all the time.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: We should be doing it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Right precisely, and you know, otherwise you blink and you're
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: in the middle of June and you are.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: And we all know this feeling right, We all say cheesers.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I can't believe it's already winter because half the year's
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: already gone by, and you haven't actually, you know, slowed
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: down to acknowledge it. It has been six months, but
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: I've actually achieved quite a lot in that time. So
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: I think book ending your day or doing something like
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: that is great.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: So tell me what what what are you doing night?
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: What was the and and leaving Formula one? Was that
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: pretty daunting of a step? Did you have something layed
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: up before you left? And so talk us through that?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: It wasn't daunting because I knew that the time was right,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I'd done my dash, so it wasn't daunting. But at
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: the same at the same time, I didn't have anything
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: lined up. But I was quite happy with that because
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I ended up just taking nine months off, which was
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: which was unbelievable. But admittedly, you know it wasn't It
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: wasn't that easy to slop back into the sporting scene
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: in Australia because you've been away for nine years, so
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: you're out of sight, out of mind, no one.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Knows who you are.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Sport in general is pretty insular. You tend to look
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: within your own industry or certainly within your own country,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: so teams over here don't necessarily understand what formula one
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: is or what the role is that I was doing
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: working with sort of top performing athletes. So anyway, no,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: it wasn't dawnt.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go on, I was going to say, and a
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: lot of sport doesn't have a lot of money.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Also true also some sports, some sports heaps.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: A lot of sport does not have a lot.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Of and that's very true as well. Yeah, so but
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: you know, not that I'm asking for the world in
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: terms of salary, but no, but I have ended up.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: So two AFL football coaches last year came up with
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: the idea of creating a mentorship app because they obviously
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: work love working with athletes. They've got incredible ip from
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: being professional athlete to now being professional coaches, and so
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: they started basically in putting all of their high performance
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: coaching frameworks, all of their notes from their playing days
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: to create an AI mentor which can be rolled out
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: to many many people.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: So that's called pocket mentor. So I've started working.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: With them, which has been great, and you know, mentorship
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: and coaching is something that I'm passionate about, you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: helping young athletes or helping young people develop, you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: is something that I've really enjoyed.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: So it's been a great challenge.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: And whilst we're using you know, sort of elite coaches
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: and elite business practitioners and stuff to help shape the mentor,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: this is for everyday use. So this is for everyday
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: people at home who have got pain points. Who are
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: you know, they might be looking for self growth, emotional clarity,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: or general development to talk to an AI agent that's
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: very structured and grounded with you know, evidence based guidance
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: to help.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: So the AI has been fed that diet of their
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: performancenots and things like that. So it's basically become an
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: expert performance.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Precisely, precisely.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so much more structured and less generic than what,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: for example, a chat chip.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah you got you've got to get a different answer
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: if you ask precisely.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: So chat ept is very affirmative. It just wants to
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: say yes, and.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Which is a great a great egovers every now and then.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: But sometimes you need to be held accountable, you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: or you need a mental like a true mental will
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: hold you accountable, follow up on on how you're doing,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: you know, and checking emotionally and so that's what a
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: real mental entity, not just a yes man who tells
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: you how good you are all the time, even though
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: it's not.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I've actually asked GPT, can you please stop giving me
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: platitudes when I ask you a question?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, any iculous.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: So on a personal note, I've loved it, and the
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: app isn't launching it the Apple we launched in a
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: couple of months.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, we're doing some some.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Pretty cool things and some pretty exciting things, and through
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: sports networks and Formula one wheld, we have some access
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: to some pretty high performers. So we're going to contribute
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: to the mentorship experience, which is going to be great
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: and we hope it can help a lot of people.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty cool. I like that idea.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Actually, that's that's that's using AI in a very niche way,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: but one that cho's because a lot of a lot
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: of young athletes, you know, they don't have access to cultures.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I mean my wife Kurli, who's a practicer in Japanese culture.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: She's been working with a young athlete who's just had
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: had no coaching whatsoever, and just giving her some basic
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: turns has just made a massive, massive difference.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Precisely. And you know, this stuff isn't very accessible. You know,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: it's tough to get a good mentor or a good
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: coach or you know, they're only available from nine to five.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: The benefit of chatting to a pretty grounded AI agent
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: like this is one that's accessible anytime anywhere. You can
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: chat to it at eight pm on your couch, you know.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: And two, it's cheap and incredibly scalable, so now anyone
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: can actually access it as opposed to having to pay
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: four hundred dollars for a coaching session or for a
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: psychology session off or whatever it is.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty cool, it's pretty clever. I like that.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: That's I look forward to that actually coming right when,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: So when You're Regular is going to be released.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: We think probably mid year or around June.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so depending on the techies.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Always always, that's been I mean I haven't come from
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: a tech world, so it's been on a personal and
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: been very interesting to learn about this stuff and going
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: back to you know, at the start of our conversation,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: whereas like I'm always trying to add things to my
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: skill sets, so this has been a nice thing to
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: add to my skill set. But yeah, tech takes a
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: lot longer to master than what I had ever envisioned.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: You know, as everyone that can use the Internet, we
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: all think things are easy, but there's it's a lot
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: more science and a lot more smarter people behind it
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: working on it than I am.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and so what does the what's the exciting future,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: kim look like? Anything on the horizon that's whetting your appetite?
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, I think this is probably the biggest passion project
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: at the moment in terms of getting this to market
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: and seeing this go live.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I think that's going to be pretty rewarding.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: And then yeah, on a personal note, Look, I still
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: am involved, you know, on the periphery of Formula one,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: so I'll probably stay involved in that a little bit.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: And then yeah, spending time down the beach, seeing my
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: mates and then getting a bit of traveling as well
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: is probably the most exciting things upcoming for me.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, cool excellent, friends and family first and then travel
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: rather than the other way around.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: It depends is in my good books and bad books.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes it's nice to get over to a
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: nice beach somewhere and just relax.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Indeed, Ken excellent, thank you, Thank you very much for
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: your time and good luck with the app. I think
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: it's something that the world really neat. So yeah, I
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: look forward to seeing that being launched. Where can people
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: go to find out more about you? Because I believe
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: you do speaking as well, So if they want to
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: bring in for a speaker for their business or to
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: find out about the app, are you in general, where
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: do we send them to a.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really good question.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: So the app is just pocketmentor dot com so you
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: can look at that. Otherwise, yeah, I do do public speaking.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: You're right to corporates, and I think that's where our
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: mutual connection is is through keynote speakers, so you can
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: get all of my details.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: From them there.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Otherwise I'm on LinkedIn like everyone is as well, So
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: just Kim Keele at LinkedIn.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Cool excellent all right, I appreciate it. Go on, enjoy
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the beach in this lovely autumn day.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I will do.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Jeez, thanks mate,