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- 0:00In today's highly competitive mortgage industry, building profitable relationships with
- 0:04the real estate agents is essential for success.
- 0:06However, finding effective ways to secure agent relationships can be a challenge.
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- 3:19well. So back to this idea. So our friendly folks over at Housing Wire. If you, by the way,
- 3:25if you're not a subscriber to Housing Wire, definitely should be get access to their premium content
- 3:30because that's where the best stuff is. I believe they call that housing wire plus,
- 3:35definitely well worth it. So here's the thing, right? Why do 28% of mortgage applicants never close
- 3:42the loan? And also, I want to share this with you in the context of the crazy market we've been
- 3:47in, the REFI surge, you know, the purchase surge that's going to be here in 2021. We know
- 3:55everybody's been stretched to capacity limits, right? The housing ecosystem. I think part of the way
- 4:02that you get some scale in your business is by being okay saying no. So in the article here
- 4:09from the Housing Wire, which is titled why 28% of mortgage applicants never close the loan,
- 4:15there's some comments from a loan officer's that they interviewed around the country.
- 4:20Give you an example of this. This is from a loan officer, Draper and Creamer Mortgage in
- 4:24Englewood, Colorado. It's talking about, so how many deals do you take that are hairy,
- 4:31that are a lot of extra work that are credit challenged, that are, you know, have with it
- 4:37additional issues that make it more challenging and time consuming too close.
- 4:43And what is the impact of taking those deals on? Both to you, to your referral partners who
- 4:50you might be sacrificing availability for, to your team who might be burdened with additional
- 4:58work required on a loan that might not have a high probability of closing or might be less
- 5:02profitable, especially considering the amount of time it would take to do that. So my question is
- 5:07this, right? Is the, you know, you think about that grizzly bear who's standing in front of the
- 5:10stream of, of salmon, right? And we have been and are going to continue to be in a market that's
- 5:19kind of like that grizzly bear standing at that stream where he's just sticking his mouth out and
- 5:23catching salmon as they fly by, right? And it's very similar for us in the mortgage business
- 5:28with the refides and of course with the increase in purchase, right? The demand is huge.
- 5:32Capacity is overwhelming. And I know some of you are overwhelmed and burnt out, want to take a
- 5:36break? I get that totally understand. But sometimes if, you know, it makes sense to say no. So
- 5:47there's an interview of just a brief, you know, um, sound bite from one of the loan officers at
- 5:52Draper and Kramer Mortgage in Engelwood, Colorado, talking about how he had a refinance,
- 5:55refinance client that had a geodesic dome home. You guys, you know what those are? It looks like
- 6:00the golf ball home, right? Those are nearly impossible to finance. So this loan officer was commenting
- 6:05that it's not worth his team's time currently. To further quote his response, we can't be chasing
- 6:12rabbits all over the park right now. My team of L.O.A.'s processors, assistant processors,
- 6:16underwriters and closers are still overwhelmed for business. I need to keep it easier for them.
- 6:25Are you trying to get blood from a stone? Are you trying to play Jesus and raise Lazarus from the
- 6:31dead? Amen. Can I get a witness? Right? Sometimes you got to say no. Make sense? Guys with me?
- 6:40Housing wire reached out to the loan officers and mortgage executives across America to drill
- 6:45down on specifics of which perspective borrowers weren't making it to the finish line, thus weren't
- 6:50closing. And interestingly enough, the average borrowers FICO score today is at the highest level
- 6:58in recent history at over 750. The average borrowers FICO score today. I don't know what you're seeing.
- 7:03I don't know who you're dealing with, right? A lot of first time home buyers might not fall into that
- 7:06category. You do an FHA deal, as I get it, right? And of course mortgage rates are super low
- 7:12for people with strong fundamentals and people look at them and it's high, right? They want to buy
- 7:16a home or save money through a refi. If we take a look at the average pull-through rates,
- 7:22let's see here. According to the most recent MBA report on profits, 72% of mortgage applications
- 7:29in the third quarter were funded by independent mortgage banks. So that's basically the pull-through
- 7:35rate, right? Historical data from the MBA shows a huge variance in pull-through rates. In the fourth
- 7:40quarter of 2019, it checked in at 78% pull-through rates, right? It's low point over the last five years
- 7:47with 67% in the first quarter of 2020. However, the pull-through rate has hovered in the low 70s
- 7:55over the last five years. So what's changing this? What impacts the pull-through rate, right? Well,
- 8:02first of all, multiple sources have said that pull-through rates on refi are much lower than purchase.
- 8:10Now, here's a key point. Why is this? Well, the article at HousingWire made a point
- 8:19of saying that borrowers typically stick with the real estate agent's LO recommendation.
- 8:28I'm going to pause there for dramatic pause because you guys have been listening to me long enough,
- 8:31you know I'm an advocate of partnering with real estate agents. I'm not going to give them down
- 8:38the rabbit hole and talk about all that and good agents, bad agents and all that kind of stuff.
- 8:42I've talked about it enough before that the right agents with the right alignment and
- 8:48relationship and partnership can be an oil well for you that produces consistently
- 8:53with the least amount of effort and cost and highest ROI on purchase loans.
- 9:01Maybe we'll do a deeper dive and deeper comparison. By the way, if you want a deeper comparison
- 9:04on that, hey, my book is out. Disrupt your die. How to survive and thrive the digital real estate shift.
- 9:09You can find the book. You can get the book at this website. I'll make sure to put a link
- 9:15to it in the show notes, but the book URL is getdisruptordie.com. If you haven't yet got my book,
- 9:22it makes a wonderful gift for real estate agents as well. So I digress back to the subject in hand.
- 9:29Barrow words typically stick with the real estate agents LL recommendation.
- 9:39All the arguments and gripes about agents and the three card deal and all that aside,
- 9:48when the partnership is properly set up and aligned correctly, that is usually the case.
- 9:53Case in point why I'm an advocate of what I am now going to be calling a hybrid loan officer.
- 10:02That is the new term for the new year hybrid loan officer. What is a hybrid loan officer? A hybrid
- 10:07loan officer is one who operates and receives business from both the more traditional sources,
- 10:13such as referral partners, past client database, sphere of influence, but also the more if you
- 10:19will modern marketing, which is content online, social media, personal branding, things like that.
- 10:30And the way I see it is the future is really about the hybrid loan officer and how effectively
- 10:35can you ride on both fences because you don't want to be what's called a fading winner.
- 10:42A fading winner is somebody who's been in the business a long time, who's really good with
- 10:45clients and does well knows their stuff, but hasn't pivoted to be present and available on
- 10:52right where the modern consumer is on today's platforms digitally and be in front of them.
- 10:58So they are fading away from consumer attention. Still winning but fading away makes sense.
- 11:05So I just wanted to hang out there for a moment because as you're evaluating your business
- 11:09and your sources of business for the new year and you want purchase business, you want to grow
- 11:13purchase business, clearly real estate agents should be one of the pillars.
- 11:18And for those of you who challenge that or whatever or just I hear people talk about just
- 11:22you need to be consumer direct, I get it, you need to be consumer direct, but the hybrid loan officer
- 11:28is me personally where it's at. And if you want to have a further conversation about that,
- 11:32jump into our Facebook group, mortgage marketing radio, let's continue the conversation.
- 11:35So anyways, picking up where we left the left stuff left off. So look, there's several factors
- 11:40that come into play on the pull through rate, right? For instance, L.O.'s not wanting to waste time
- 11:45with Ray choppers. Okay? How about with weak credit and limited cash reserves? How about tricky loans?
- 11:52See, it's like one loan officer said is if I'm stepping over dollars to pick up pennies,
- 11:57if I'm taking on these challenging loans. Right now, our job or has been our job this past
- 12:03years to reach our hands in and scoop as much out of this bucket that we can. Right?
- 12:10Without neglecting our key relationships, without getting overly heavy on refive versus purchase
- 12:15business, right? Having that long-term play. But at the same time, I guess the point I'm trying to
- 12:20make is, are you saying no where you should be? Or are you trying to please everybody and say yes,
- 12:25and then you're spending multiple cycles of time and energy of your your own and your teams
- 12:30on trying to raise the debt? On trying to close a loan that maybe it'll close,
- 12:36but is it worth the time and energy suck that it's going to take to get that to close?
- 12:43How about smaller loans, right? Do you have a minimum loan size that you're willing to do?
- 12:50And then how much time do you screen up front? Let me ask you this way. How surprised are you
- 12:58by underrated decisions when it's no or not ready?
- 13:06What percentage of the loans that you submit do you know up front
- 13:12will will fly versus won't?
- 13:15See, I had a call earlier today. We were looking at the this loan officer's metrics and numbers
- 13:20on the percentage of not ready files. The percentage of rush to close, right?
- 13:28And this loan officer, although he's been around a long time,
- 13:33approaches submitting loans, much like throwing dice here in Vegas.
- 13:39Let's see where it ends up. Seven sevens that I get snake eyes, right?
- 13:47Do yourself, do your favor, do your clients of, you know, a favor
- 13:53and know your guidelines. Know that before you submit a loan,
- 13:57you should be confident enough in that loan that it will close. Otherwise, why bother submitting it?
- 14:10Look, there's always going to be the opportunity for challenging loans.
- 14:14The loans with extra hair around them, right? The loans with the complex income calculations
- 14:18and so forth. Unless you're a whiz bang at income calcs or you got somebody to help you with that,
- 14:22that's cool. Fine, go for it. If you're a self-employed specialist, awesome. You got a cool program
- 14:26for that. But my point is this is, right? I'm hesitant to use the word,
- 14:33I was thinking the word easy money, right? Total transparency with you guys. I'm not trying to convey
- 14:37that it's easy. What I'm trying to say is, right, let's win as much as we can and let's not bog down
- 14:42our system or our process to the detriment of the bigger picture, if that makes sense, okay?
- 14:51Okay, so let's take a look at some more data here. According to recent analysis from LBA,
- 14:55where commissions earned by LOs in Q3 2020 increased 50% from Q3 2019,
- 15:03principally because the average LO funded 51% more volume in Q3 2020. According to this,
- 15:112.6 million a month, average LO fundings versus Q3 2019, 1.7 million per month.
- 15:18So if you're above that, you're doing well. How much of that, of course, is because of the market.
- 15:30Refi transactions accounted for 46% of total volume in the quarter,
- 15:35according to LBA, where? W-A-R-E, that is.
- 15:42I think the name of the game here that I just want to bring to your attention as you
- 15:45evaluating your business plan for 2021 is efficiency and prioritization.
- 15:51Whenever you're dealing with capacity and growth, right, that's one of the things you've
- 15:54always got to deal with is efficiency. How efficient is your system? I'll bring it up again,
- 15:58my free three-favorite things. Take a look at your business as you're planning out 2021 and
- 16:02take a look at these three areas. People, process, technology.
- 16:09Those are essentially the big three areas of your business that will determine the quality,
- 16:16the profitability, and the efficiency of your business, and how referable of an experience you
- 16:22create for your referral partners, for your clients, what people think about you
- 16:29when you're out of the room, kind of your personal brand. Do you have a personal brand right now?
- 16:33Is it a personal burn? What I'm coaching people on right now is to look at those three areas.
- 16:40Do you have the right people on your team? Are they in the right roles?
- 16:46In previous podcast episode, you heard me interview Michelle Odo talking about how to build a
- 16:50$100 million dollar team. She commented on loan officers making this mistake of hiring
- 16:56juniors to be a pseudo-LOA or to help me deal with front-end loan issues and stuff,
- 17:01wrong person for the role. You want to hire a junior, make sure you're hiring a junior,
- 17:06and you know what the role is for, and you know that they're going to originate, and they're not
- 17:10going to be your front-end loan person. You want a front-end loan person, hire somebody ideally
- 17:14suited for that. People also take a look at your referral partners, time to reevaluate your
- 17:21relationships, pull reports on total production, how much of the business are you getting?
- 17:26Do a post-close interview with your referral partners, a year end interview.
- 17:34Would you describe our process for it? What have you heard from our referrals that we've jointly
- 17:38worked together, our mutual clients? What do you hear? Squarmy, ABC, right? Where can we improve? People
- 17:44process technology. Where do you need to be more efficient? Where do you need to place more
- 17:51prioritization? And maybe it makes sense to have a conversation with your team about turning away
- 17:58difficult borrowers, being willing to say no to rate shoppers, for example.
- 18:08So back to the article here, the loan officer interviewed John Yusner,
- 18:12production manager at Mason McDeffey Mortgage, shout out to you, John, if you're listening.
- 18:17He told Haasengwire that a mortgage applicant last week seeking a small loan amount on
- 18:21a condo, his team spent a half hour after the application going over fees and the
- 18:26finer points of the loan. The borrower continued to shop, continued to ask for more disclosures with
- 18:31number so he could shop. And John simply asked him to go to another lender, explaining that my team
- 18:41doesn't have time to work on loans that aren't committed to closing with us. Ladies and gentlemen,
- 18:46do you have the courage to say that to people? Are you committed or interested?
- 18:55Is there anything that will prevent you from moving forward with us today, Mr. Mrs. Client?
- 18:59Have we answered all the questions to the best of our ability? You feel 100% confident about
- 19:04getting active in the market to make an offer on purchasing a home?
- 19:07Before we move from here, Mr. Mrs. Client, submit your loan for processing and underwriting,
- 19:16we just wanted to double check that, first of all, we're 100% committed to you to meeting our
- 19:22terms of this agreement, to giving your world-class service, to saving you X amount of
- 19:26per money or getting you in the dream home that you want. We just wanted to ask, are you equally
- 19:31committed back to us? The reason why we ask Mr. Mrs. Client is because in today's market,
- 19:36where resources are scarce, time is scarce, demand is high, we just want to make sure that before
- 19:46we ask our team to go to work for you, that you're 100% on board with us.
- 19:52So those types of questions, right, to make sure you're qualifying and that you've got the
- 19:56commitment from them. So the point being, back to this loan office of story, is that even in this
- 20:03case of the condo, the guy shopping, they had a lower-rate and fees, this lender, John did,
- 20:08they had a lower-rate and fees than the other offers he had, yet he didn't trust us.
- 20:12We don't have time for flaky shoppers that have zero commitment. There are too many good customers
- 20:16out there that want a good deal and will let us do our jobs without taking up hours of additional
- 20:20time. That's where our focus is. Where's your focus?
- 20:33I mean, what kind of referrals are you getting from realtors? Do you need to have a little
- 20:37conversation? Are you getting like borrowers with no socials, right? Down payment assistant for
- 20:43nationals? And again, I'm not saying down payment assistant is bad and in of itself,
- 20:49I'm just asking you to evaluate, right? What are your most profitable sources of business and
- 20:53what is impacting your team from a efficiency and prioritization process? And oftentimes, what I'm
- 21:02coaching a loan officer, John, is that if they are getting bad, quote, air quotes bad referrals
- 21:07from real estate agents, like low quality, you know what I mean? Low income, no income, that kind
- 21:11of stuff. Yes, there's programs out there, but I mean, if these are really ugly hairy type loans
- 21:15or borrowers and they're just thrown crap over the fence at you, well, that's the time to have
- 21:19a conversation, right? That's the time to say, hey, Mr. Mrs. Realtor, I'd like to talk a little
- 21:25bit further about our partnership and the direction moving forward. So I noticed of the last three
- 21:29loans you gave me, right? That these are the challenges with the borrowers, right? They've got
- 21:33no social security number. These are individual taxpayer identification numbers only. We've got this,
- 21:38this, this, this, and this. And I'm just curious, like, what's the source of these leads?
- 21:42See, my approach to this is if I'm getting crappy leads from a Realtor, here's what some
- 21:47allows do. They get angry and pissed off. I get curious. I get curious. Why? Because I truly
- 21:55and generally want to help, right? If I've chosen to invest some time with this real estate agent
- 22:00for a potential partnership, I've chosen them for a good reason. Hopefully I've done my homework
- 22:04and I understand, right, that they've got some potential as a referral partner. Maybe I just
- 22:08like them. Maybe we have a good rapport. Depends on your business model and if you're going super
- 22:13deep with agents versus going wide, right? I don't know where you're at in terms of your maturity
- 22:17and your business and your referrals. But the bigger point is this is I know every one of you listening
- 22:22right now has had that situation happen. You get the lousy referrals. Once I get it, right? Two,
- 22:27three times it becomes a pattern. Now we got to have a talk. So I'm curious. Hey, Susie Q over at
- 22:33Remax. I noticed the last three loans you sent me, right? This is what I found commonalities.
- 22:38We got this. This is this. So listen, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions.
- 22:43Like what's this force of these leads? Where are they coming from? What's your process? How are they
- 22:47coming to you? Is there any information you're collecting up front? Is this a Facebook ad?
- 22:51Is there a form filled out? Is this a phone call? You know what I mean? I want to dig deep and find
- 22:55out what the source of these leads are. Why? Well, because maybe I can help. Maybe I can help change
- 23:01a few things. I can look at a landing page. I can look, you know, look at a process and
- 23:07recommend some additional steps in qualifying and vetting out and saving time for both of us.
- 23:12Because let me ask you something, Susie Q at Remax. Do you want to spend time chasing bad deals?
- 23:20No. Great. Would you be open to me helping you, right? Find better qualities, et cetera, et cetera.
- 23:28And, you know, okay, great. How do you do that, Jeff? Well, look, there's 57 ways to do that, okay?
- 23:33By the way, back to the book. Yes, another book plug. Get DisruptorDie.com. There's like
- 23:39a whole chapter in there. Six ways to generate leads, right?
- 23:44And that's not what this podcast is about. So my point is just have a conversation with the
- 23:48realtors about it. Look for those. And if look, if it's a realtor who just doesn't get it,
- 23:51wants to continue throwing you crap, all right? Well, then that's a time to either, you know,
- 23:55slowly fade away or just have an upfront conversation and say, look, I'm not sure that I'm the right
- 23:59partner for you. Because, you know, my team's time is too precious and too valuable to be, you know,
- 24:06throwing stuff in the hopper that really has got too much hair on it. And it's very unlikely
- 24:10that it's going to close. And I'm not a credit repair specialist. I can refer you out to one. But
- 24:14anyway, that's where I'd like to go with this relationship. Does this make sense, guys? Okay,
- 24:19with me tracking. Hey, and by the way, if your business model is working, those tricky
- 24:24deals, those hairy deals, those credit challenge deals, and that's your model and, you know,
- 24:28because you're maxing out comp on that or whatever, hey, that's cool too, right?
- 24:34That's not necessarily the majority of people that I think tune into this show or that I work with,
- 24:40but I understand that's a business model as well. For instance, you know, helping people that
- 24:43are fresh out of bankruptcy, for example, credit challenge people may be related to divorce or
- 24:48medical issues or something. I don't know. There's multiple niches in this business. So I'm not
- 24:51trying to, you know, look down on people that specialize in difficult to do loans. I'm just saying
- 24:57it's hard to scale those, unless you've got, you know, incredible process efficiencies technologies
- 25:04and a robust team. Does that make sense? By the way, if you're really great on closing times,
- 25:11sounds funny when I say that because like, oh my god, who's really great on closing times? Look,
- 25:14there's lots of lenders who are still great on closing times. Make sure you advertise those. Make
- 25:18sure you bring those up front. You know, it's one of the things that differentiates you as a lender,
- 25:22okay? It's an advantage in today's market if you happen to have the operations efficiencies for
- 25:27that to happen. So look, closing out, I just wanted to bring this to your attention.
- 25:35What are you saying no to or what should you be saying no to, right? That would give you additional
- 25:39scale bandwidth efficiencies and actually make you more money if you said no to some of these crazy
- 25:44deals, all right? So that's the lesson for this week. Hey, a friendly reminder, by the way,
- 25:50if you're looking to scale and grow your business preparing for 2021, we know it's going to be a
- 25:53strong purchase year. Some of you may have led neglected your realtor referral relationships.
- 25:58I get it, but if you want to get in front of this wave of purchases that are coming, I said it
- 26:02earlier here on today's podcast, remember I said that borrowers typically stick with stick with
- 26:06the real estate agents, L.O. recommendation. Look, real estate agents done well can be an oil well.
- 26:11The challenge I find for most L.O.s, what they tell me is like, how do I get in front of them?
- 26:16How do I reach out to them? How do I contact them without co-calling? Well, for 10 years now,
- 26:23I've been doing it myself and helping L.O.s reach agents at scale so they can find the right
- 26:30agents for them without chasing, without co-calling, without begging, without pay to play, right? And
- 26:35it's done via an educational platform of teaching agent classes in a modern way that's
- 26:40Zoom ready to go, turn key and friendly so you can get in front of maximum agents in minimum time.
- 26:45You can find out more about that at the mortgagemarketing.pro website. Just go to mortgagemarketing.pro
- 26:52and there's a brief video that we put up there. And as I said, everything's turn key, template,
- 26:56PowerPoints, check notes, check notes, checklist, speaker notes, handouts, zoom friendly, ready,
- 27:01how to use Zoom, how to get promote events on Facebook, et cetera, how to get butts in the seats.
- 27:06So this is, you know, on the short list of the top three things I see top producers do
- 27:13to effectively get in front of agents. As a matter of fact, the last podcast we had, Michelle Odo,
- 27:18she's a $150 million producer for 2020. She's been a client of mine for, I don't know, two years now
- 27:24and I've got a quote from her saying she's having great success attracting quality agents.
- 27:28She's booked 10 meetings with agents and received six referrals.
- 27:32How about Liz Reese mortgage broker out of Northern California? Every time I teach a class,
- 27:36I get referrals. The system makes it easy to attract agents and differentiate myself.
- 27:40You want to do that? You go to mortgagemarketing.pro. We do weekly calls, group coaching calls,
- 27:46open office hours. And it's not just about agent classes. We get a dive deep on social media and
- 27:51YouTube. I bring in twice a month. I bring in a special VIP guest just for our private
- 27:58pro members to be part of that call. We do a deep dive on stuff. We just had a call on Homebot,
- 28:03did a deep dive with my bro Ricardo Bueno, which blew everybody's socks off on how to actually
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- 28:14is we can learn more about that. So that's it. Once again, I wish you all a Merry Christmas, a
- 28:20happy New Year, a happy, happy holiday, whatever it is that you celebrate and embrace. And I want
- 28:24to just say thank you so much. It's, I'm grateful for you that you've even tuned in.
- 28:29Join the Facebook group. Go check us out, mortgage marketing radio in the Facebook group. And
- 28:33I will see you in the New Year. If not before then have a great one. Bye for now.
- 28:46Hey guys, what's up real quick? You've heard about the mortgage marketing pro membership before.
- 28:49And I just want to quickly remind you if that you're in a place in your business where you
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- 28:58Let's just face it, agents are still a solid pillar of business and sources of purchase
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- 29:59from 8 to 50 transactions in the last 12 months. And we'll provide that list uploaded into our
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- 30:10So what are you waiting for? You can check out more at mortgagemarketing.pro,
- 30:13see more of the success stories there. And if you feel compelled to do so,
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