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Flashback: The Barbie Movie · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, this is Standley reminding you that on the
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  Speaker 1: fourth week of every month we are doing a flashback
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  Speaker 1: episode to welcome in some of our new listeners and
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  Speaker 1: help them get caught up with all of our Tolerator content.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what I've been missing recently, the feel
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  Speaker 1: of Barbie Summer. So please enjoy our review of the
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  Speaker 1: Barbie Movie with the Julia Washington and we will see
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  Speaker 1: you next month with all new episodes of To all
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  Speaker 1: the Men I've Tolerated before. I thought it would be
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  Speaker 1: cute if we went into our favorite memory of Barbie
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  Speaker 1: or like how Barbie entered our lives. I do like that,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. I wish more people were actually doing that
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  Speaker 1: as a trend instead of showing me what their men
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  Speaker 1: do for work. I don't care what your man does
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  Speaker 1: for work. I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: And especially in the conversation of the Barbie Chat, like
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  Speaker 2: my best friend and I walked out of the movie
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  Speaker 2: and we were like, if you know Barbie more, the
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  Speaker 2: Barbie universe better, because it was like Mittel was like,
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  Speaker 2: here are the keys and access to our librarian. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like Barbie's always been because I love I've always
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  Speaker 2: loved dolls, I've always loved anything that I can dress
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  Speaker 2: up and make pretty. The very first Barbie I remember
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  Speaker 2: buying for myself is actually in the opening credits of
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  Speaker 2: the movie. It's the Barbie with like the neonish swirly
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  Speaker 2: type dress with the very long hair. Like that's the
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  Speaker 2: first Barbie I bought for myself. So people have been
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  Speaker 2: buying me Barbie's, but I had my own and bought
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  Speaker 2: that Barbie because I was like, look at all that.
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  Speaker 1: Hair, the hair, the hair, Barbie hair. Barbie hair is
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  Speaker 1: also such a part of the experience which I feel
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  Speaker 1: like they could have gone into more about, like the
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  Speaker 1: care and the upheap of Barbie hair.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever have the Barbie head that you could
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  Speaker 2: do like the hair? Okay, my sister did too, and
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  Speaker 2: then it was a hand me down to me. And
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  Speaker 2: then at some point I cut off all its hair
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  Speaker 2: and that was it.
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  Speaker 1: And now no one will say that Barbie now she's
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  Speaker 1: just what do you think happened to all of the
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  Speaker 1: Barbie heads in Barbie Land?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think they're in that really scary like museum
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  Speaker 1: type thing that happens in the Wizard of Oz sequel
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  Speaker 1: that I traumatized myself with, but not many people did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually have. I've blocked out the sequel. I've
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  Speaker 2: seen it, but I had to block it out. Do
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  Speaker 2: you remember she goes into like a building. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: a great question, Rose of heads and jars. It's like
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  Speaker 2: it's like that Toy story scene where the doll gets
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  Speaker 2: attached to the things from the next door neighbor. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I guess I just envisioned that being it. But tell
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  Speaker 2: me your Barbie experience. I have two memories that coordinate
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  Speaker 2: with Barbie. And the first is I, like many children,
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  Speaker 2: played too hard with a Barbie and made a weird Barbie.
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  Speaker 2: And I was behind a large piece of furniture in
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  Speaker 2: my childhood home, my first childhood home, and I was
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  Speaker 2: hiding behind there because I had scissors and I had
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  Speaker 2: like a mission. Yeah, and I caught up all my
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  Speaker 2: Barbie's hair. And my mom came and she found me
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  Speaker 2: because she's so nosy, and she just started screaming at
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  Speaker 2: me because she had assumed that I cut my own hair.
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  Speaker 2: She did not care that I destroyed the doll. But
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  Speaker 2: like we lead with cursing first in questions. Later it
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  Speaker 2: all worked out. But then my second we used to
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  Speaker 2: spend summers with one of my older cousins. She would
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  Speaker 2: come and spend a couple of weeks with us, or
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  Speaker 2: sometimes all summer with us, or a while with us.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know she was, She's ten years older than me.
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  Speaker 2: So we would produce a Barbie reality TV show, Love
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  Speaker 2: or No reality TV show.
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  Speaker 1: We had no concept of that in the early nineties,
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  Speaker 1: but like, yeah, a soap opera. We called it like
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  Speaker 1: Sophia's Story, and they were like plot lines and like
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  Speaker 1: you know, love triangles, but no one had a job.
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  Speaker 1: But we were all very rich and yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because honestly, it's Barbie's world. You're playing with Barbie. Like
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  Speaker 2: my cousin had a playroom. It was wall to wall
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  Speaker 2: Barbie shit, every Barbie you could ever think of, all
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  Speaker 2: her outfits, all the accessions. I literally have no idea
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  Speaker 2: how my aunt was able to afford any of that.
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  Speaker 1: One of my cousins had a off brand Barbie, a
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  Speaker 1: Marbie I don't know, And it was supposed to say Barbie, Marbie,
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  Speaker 1: it Barbie, I don't know, barb. It was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: say it's like Barbie with a with a y. It
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to it was one of the ones that
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  Speaker 1: could talk if you pressed a button in its ass,
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  Speaker 1: and so it was supposed to say, welcome to my party,
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  Speaker 1: but she was clearly like getting down low on the
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  Speaker 1: on the voice box and the like battery of it all,
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  Speaker 1: so it instead sounded like welcome to my potty and child,
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  Speaker 1: I was a child, So I just did a type
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  Speaker 1: five on bathroom jokes. Yeah, And I think that's when
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  Speaker 1: cousins couldn't be friends anymore. Like my cousin was so
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  Speaker 1: super pissed. I think I had to go home. I
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  Speaker 1: think I made her cry. I mean, that's comedy, kids.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't making fun of you. I was making fun
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  Speaker 1: of potties, right right right.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that the commentary I seen from some
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  Speaker 2: of the black creators that I follow, who are very
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  Speaker 2: much doing anti racist work, they are discussing how this
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  Speaker 2: is very much white feminism. I don't. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: have to hard agree with that because it's there is
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  Speaker 2: a level of privilege in Barbieland, and now Barbieland is diverse, right, Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's definitely more diverse now in Barbieland than in reality.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that the validation in saying that it's
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  Speaker 1: white feminism as a white is that white feminists just
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  Speaker 1: like to assume that if everything's nice, everything's fine, right,
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  Speaker 1: So like barbie Land is beautiful and there are over
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  Speaker 1: white barbies, and there are barbies and wheelchairs, yeah, differently
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  Speaker 1: abled barbiees, and you know, true ally Allen and the whole.
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  Speaker 1: I think that feminism is like purposeful in it because
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  Speaker 1: she keeps saying like, I just don't understand we fixed this,
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  Speaker 1: and like white women believe that every time we marched,
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  Speaker 1: we're like, get on us, we fixed it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, now that you say it, it
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  Speaker 2: might be uh, you know one of those satirical commentaries
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  Speaker 2: on what how how sort of white women approached feminism
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  Speaker 2: and and all that. It's because when everyone was talking
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  Speaker 2: about like, oh, Greta Greta's Letterbox interview, she talks about
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  Speaker 2: the however many movies that are influenced that influenced her
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  Speaker 2: making this film or whatever. And I knew that, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we all knew that the Kubrick influence because it's the
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  Speaker 2: opening scene. And then she had commented in an interview
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  Speaker 2: in passing in a different interview about how like, oh
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  Speaker 2: and there's others. I thought she meant there were other
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  Speaker 2: Kuber preferences. I didn't realize. So I saw the Letterbox
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  Speaker 2: interview that there was like a shit ton of movies
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  Speaker 2: she was referencing. So I went back because I've seen
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  Speaker 2: clips of it on TikTok, so I went in to
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  Speaker 2: Letterbox directly to watch the full thirteen minute interview and
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  Speaker 2: she goes movie by movie specifically which scenes were impactful,
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  Speaker 2: and then in watching that, I was like, Okay, that
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  Speaker 2: makes even more sense to me on why specifically, like
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  Speaker 2: Ken gets a dream ballet and Barbie doesn't, because it's
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  Speaker 2: always like it's it's in reference to you know, gene
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  Speaker 2: Kelly movie specifically, I think she's said American in Paris,
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  Speaker 2: which is one of my favorite films ever. Gene Kelly
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  Speaker 2: is the crush of my nineteen fifties dreams. And then
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  Speaker 2: you know, seeing it in the Ring was another influence
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  Speaker 2: that she talks about. And again that has a dream
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  Speaker 2: ballet within a dream ballet, and so like when I
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  Speaker 2: saw this interview, I was like this, Okay, now this
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  Speaker 2: really makes sense on why certain things happen in the
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  Speaker 2: movie and Ken gets all the whatever and Barbie doesn't
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  Speaker 2: because she's pulling like the sort what she's inspired by.
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  Speaker 2: Like maybe I don't know, maybe she didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: like reframe up for the women, but I don't I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. It just to me it was like the
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  Speaker 2: answer that I needed. I guess, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I have a really hard time swallowing that, like the
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  Speaker 1: women were afterthoughts in the Barbie movie because for me
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  Speaker 1: and I think, what it is is that we're I
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  Speaker 1: think in my head, we're like conflating women empowerment with
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  Speaker 1: misogyny awareness, and to me, the Barbie movie is a
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  Speaker 1: misogyny awareness movie, Like oh, look, Ken spent fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 1: in the real world and he was like, and now
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  Speaker 1: I am a destroyer of nations.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually a really good point, not actually like
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  Speaker 2: because you're not smart or anything, but because I didn't
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  Speaker 2: think of it either, Nah.
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  Speaker 1: I think, And for me that is like what an
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  Speaker 1: empowering move for Greta for her to make an entire
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  Speaker 1: movie about the jokes you and I make about patriarchy
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  Speaker 1: all the time.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the other part of it too, Like I
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  Speaker 2: walked out of it and I was like, I fucking
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  Speaker 2: feel like if Natalie and I had written Barbie this
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  Speaker 2: or a movie that sort of satirizes the misogyny of
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  Speaker 2: it all, this could have been it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that when you kind of changing your
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  Speaker 1: head about it being like anti misogyny propaganda, it very
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  Speaker 1: much feels like we let men in on the joke
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  Speaker 1: and their feelings are still very hurt, but we let
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  Speaker 1: them in on the joke, like this is what we
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  Speaker 1: understand to be going on in your fucking heads whenever
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  Speaker 1: you mistreat us or colonize something or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: They get to be a part of it because it's pretty.
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  Speaker 1: And like, I'm still convinced that Rob Thomas doesn't understand
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  Speaker 1: why his song was picked for the movie.
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  Speaker 2: Well when he what was it? Was it us Weekly
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  Speaker 2: or people or one of them where they like reached
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  Speaker 2: out to him and were like, hey, what did you
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  Speaker 2: think about it? He's like, oh, I thought it was great.
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  Speaker 2: And it was like, like you said, like, do you
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  Speaker 2: did you see the scene that it was used for,
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  Speaker 2: because like, sir, have.
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  Speaker 1: You listened to the lyrics that you've written, because like,
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  Speaker 1: to me, there's no bigger joke and no like letting
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  Speaker 1: women let loose better than a Kendall a beach full
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  Speaker 1: of Kendalls making dead eye contact with a beach full
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  Speaker 1: of Barbies, be like I will push.
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  Speaker 2: You around, and I will and I will.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, your expectation is to like put
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  Speaker 1: me down, and you will and you will. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: whole song is about taking me for granted, which is
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  Speaker 1: what we've built the patriarchy. We have built the patriarchy
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  Speaker 1: on the shoulders of taking women for granted.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's part. Yeah, that's I think that's one
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  Speaker 2: of the steps of you know, the patriarchy, because in
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  Speaker 2: order for there to be success, you have to have
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  Speaker 2: someone at home, caring for your children, for your home,
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  Speaker 2: doing all the things for you so you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to take up the brain space. And Ken really does
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  Speaker 2: kind of get into that. He's like, you never think
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  Speaker 2: of me, You never do, and it's like this is
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  Speaker 2: but Ken, Dear, this is Barbie lend She'll have to
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  Speaker 2: think about you, she'll have to care about you, she'll
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  Speaker 2: have to do.
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  Speaker 1: None of that shit.
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  Speaker 2: This is not your world. You're just when And I
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  Speaker 2: think that was like part for me, that was part
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  Speaker 2: of the commentary of like the difference, but then the
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  Speaker 2: difference being is that Barbie was like, Wow, I should have,
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  Speaker 2: Like no, I should have, but like the difference being
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  Speaker 2: like Barbie saying, oh, I didn't realize that by not
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  Speaker 2: paying attention to your it was hurting you actually, So
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  Speaker 2: for me, that was a modeling of how you handle
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  Speaker 2: it when you've been ash shit and have called out well.
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  Speaker 1: And also I feel like during that moment, of course,
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  Speaker 1: I like tild in my head and I was America Ferra.
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  Speaker 1: Like America Ferrera and I are the same type of broken.
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  Speaker 1: In this movie, we're chained smoking cigarettes and we're like,
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  Speaker 1: don't you dare apologize to the fucking hymbo because we've
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  Speaker 1: been hurt, Like, he stole your house, he stole my
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  Speaker 1: he stole your house, brainwashed all your friends, He brainwashed
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  Speaker 1: all of your friends, he took your white house. He
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  Speaker 1: like he colonized your entire nation because he was hoping
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  Speaker 1: ponies would show up. And like, so I'm America Ferra
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  Speaker 1: in that scene where I'm like, we don't apologize to men.
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  Speaker 1: But then I saw a really I saw like thirty
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  Speaker 1: seconds of a really great TikTok today where it's like
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  Speaker 1: they keep calling Barbie feminism one oh one, but that's
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  Speaker 1: because the bar needed feminism one oh one. They never
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  Speaker 1: thought the Kens would have done this, because, to be fair,
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  Speaker 1: the Kens were taking advantage of how perfect the Barbies
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  Speaker 1: had made barbie Land, and they were completely satisfied with
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  Speaker 1: that right up until Ryan Goslin showed back up and
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  Speaker 1: was like, what if we could get horses?
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  Speaker 2: And I thought it was actually brilliant for her to
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  Speaker 2: for her to give him the line. I lost interest
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  Speaker 2: in horses when I realized or patriarchy when I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: when I didn't when I realized there wasn't about horses
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  Speaker 2: because how many men are being also crushed by the
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  Speaker 2: patriarchy because they're not allowed to have full emotions, They're
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  Speaker 2: not allowed to stay at home with their kids, they're
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  Speaker 2: not allowed to do anything outside of the prescription.
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  Speaker 1: Of you are man. You are man, You men do
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  Speaker 1: man things. You love money, you love power, And you
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  Speaker 1: know that's not that's not for everybody. Like that is
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  Speaker 1: a system that is harmful.
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  Speaker 2: This is a system that is harmful to everybody because
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  Speaker 2: there are a select you who are actually thriving within it,
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  Speaker 2: and those people are miserable too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say that, you know, Jules and
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  Speaker 1: I we did what we went into hiding after the
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  Speaker 1: Barbie Movie, because we knew that should anyone bring us
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  Speaker 1: any criticism about the Barbie movie, I personally was going
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  Speaker 1: to cry and never leave my bed. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: how dare you? Greta wrote it for me. It was
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  Speaker 1: my summer present, how dare you? I am living the
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  Speaker 1: summer of the era of Barbie. I'm girling hard this summer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my hair is purple, I'm chaotic, bisexual Barbie at gaming
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  Speaker 1: conventions like, don't take this from me, don't fuck with
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  Speaker 1: my vibe. I am a woman who speaks weekly, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: multiple times a week, about patriarchy and misogyny. Just let
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  Speaker 1: me have this one, like, I'm doing the work. I'm deprogramming,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to lead others towards deprogramming. Let me
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  Speaker 1: do the Let me have this one movie. Let me
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  Speaker 1: have the pretty pink movie without having to think about
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  Speaker 1: it too hard. So I love the movie. I had
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  Speaker 1: chills the entire movie. I told you, I didn't cried
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  Speaker 1: that first time I saw the movie because I was
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  Speaker 1: too delighted that this was the movie. Yeah, yeah, and.
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  Speaker 2: You know so. And I think you and I have
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  Speaker 2: talked about this before because I think you're the only
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  Speaker 2: person I've talked in depth with already about Barbie. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: else like you, I'm like, I'm hiding, don't ruin it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on a good high. So I saw it three
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  Speaker 2: times opening weekend, so the vibe was very much hyped
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  Speaker 2: up and everyone was into it, and the crowds were
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  Speaker 2: just so cheering, laughing, crying, clapping, all of the things
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  Speaker 2: that you want in a movie theater, which is an experience.
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  Speaker 1: I love.
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  Speaker 2: I love that that shared in collective emotions, but it's
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  Speaker 2: still very individual for the person, unique to the pers YadA, YadA.
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  Speaker 2: The second time I saw it was the second weekend,
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  Speaker 2: much more subdued audience, so I was really able to
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  Speaker 2: get into my true feelings about the film because I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't getting consumed by the audience reaction, which isn't a
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  Speaker 2: bad thing. Like I loved being a part of the
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  Speaker 2: audience reaction. I loved like I've mentioned, Like I've said,
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  Speaker 2: I love being part of that. But the first time
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  Speaker 2: I saw it the montage with all the women, my
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  Speaker 2: initial thought was, wait, are you.
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  Speaker 3: Tallius that we are supposed to just.
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  Speaker 2: Be like moms, because I'm not here for that. Because
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  Speaker 2: credit just because you popped out two babies doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: that we all need to was kind of my first thought.
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  Speaker 2: And then as I saw it more and more, I
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  Speaker 2: got something different from that montage every single time. And
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  Speaker 2: then the fourth time, it was see the beauty in
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  Speaker 2: being a woman, Like, here's the beauty about being a woman.
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  Speaker 1: Because there was a lot of feminine joy in that montage.
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  Speaker 1: And I think people, I think, what happens the first
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  Speaker 1: time you see it is you see a bunch of kids,
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  Speaker 1: and you see a bunch of women raising their kids,
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't want Barbie to be pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: Midge didn't sell It's an entire joke throughout the entire movie.
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  Speaker 2: No, and everyone was like, pregnant Midge from the sixties.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, bitch, No, early two thousands, get you backstraight.
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  Speaker 1: Early two thousands. She had twins up in that belly.
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  Speaker 1: You popped it off with a magnet and out they plopped,
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  Speaker 1: and they were just like little They were like a
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  Speaker 1: cross between a fetus and a baby. Because yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: you couldn't play with them, you just know, shove them
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  Speaker 1: right back into her.
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  Speaker 2: And there was a lot of controversy because Midge, where's
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  Speaker 2: the dad? Alan doesn't need to be sold in the
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  Speaker 2: box with Midge calmed down.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a lot of controversy because, like
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  Speaker 1: we talked about on pop culture makes me jealous when
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  Speaker 1: we did it based on a true story, people are
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  Speaker 1: still very uncomfortable with the idea of viewing pregnancy.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and like pregnant women having full range of emotions,
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  Speaker 2: being horny, you know, like all the things.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Well in just like the act of childbirth, Like well,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: if I tell my kid that women have children, I
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: might have to say the word vagina.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, they weren't even allowed to stay pregnant on
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: television until I don't know, twenty years.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Ago, right, because it insinuated that someone got dicked down.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: But I think you're right on that second. Like I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: saw the woman bowling and I was like, oh, it's
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: a montage about feminine joy. It's not a montage about mommy,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: me and you.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Because that moment when she hit, when she bowl and
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: everyone's happy for her and she's got this bit and
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: it's just this crowd cheer. It was just like, I
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: like wept at that point. And then when you learn
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: that Greta had said to the cast and crew send
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: in your real videos of people that you love that
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: show us, you know, joy and love, and then you
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: realize these are all real women experiencing real joy in
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the real world. And then have you seen that interview
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: where the interviewers like, hey, Greta so like fun fact,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: one of the people that's in that montage is my
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: friend who is deceased, you.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Know when he says it's a dead lady in that
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: montage and he tells her she would have loved this movie. Yeah, like,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: thank goodness she gets to be a part of it
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: because she would have been such filled with feminine joy.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And let me tell you something about feminine joy. Feminine
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: joy is the quickest way to make a misogynist mad
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and the quickest way to stuff them out. And here's
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: my story. As you know, pre sale codes at the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: day that we're recording now for the second leg of
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the Aristour went out last night, and so people be
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: doing their ceremonies, maybe maybe lighting candles. They'd be listening
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to Enchanted three times in a row while turning clockwise
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and facing the sunset. Like people need codes. So I
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: take a bunch of my joyful eras photos with Stephanie
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: in my outfit walking up with my friend Darcy. When
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I take aid it and I make a little montage,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I put it on TikTok, and TikTok is clearly nicer
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: than me because I think only women ever visit my page.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: But then I throw it up on YouTube and within
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the first fifteen minutes the only reason and was picking
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: up traction is because men were fat shaming me.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Oh god.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And I was like, and I was like, this is
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: why you hate the Barbie movie too, Like you're convinced
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: that if we have joy outside of you via Taylor
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Swift or the Barbie movie or fucking Girls' night, every
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: night should be girls' night. That literally, literally there's no
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: purpose for you because we also get to have our
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: own credit cards, own land in all of it now
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: so now And instead of just like rising to the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: occasion to be like, what if I was more fun?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: What if I like didn't take every opportunity to make
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: my female partner man and smash our wedding cake in
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: front of all of our family and friends guy with
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the sword, instead of like doing that, you guys swum
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the complete obposite direction. It was like, what if I
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: just yell at them? Every time they smile.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. So a couple thoughts in my
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: head when you bring us up. Marginalized joy is always
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: a threat to the patriarchy, apparently because the same reaction
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: happens when it comes to black joy. Second to that,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: another thing that I thought of when you were speaking
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: was the overall threat of how we can be independent,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: when really the response should be how much better would
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: it be that I married you or partnered with you
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: because I want you.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: And not because I need you to pay my mortgage.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing I need the Barbie movie to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: tell me that I have been telling men that for years.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I've been making tiktoks about that. More I've been commenting
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: on other women's tiktoks about that, about the fact that, like,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't find myself in a really bad situation and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: therefore thought I need a man's pension. Although ABC I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: am up to being the slot on the Golden Bachelor.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: You just call there's no other way I'm getting a pension,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: But you just call I don't find myself in a
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: very dire situation and immediately ran down the aisle. I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: fucking chose you, Like what a perk, right, you get
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to walk this earth every day being like she chose me.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Because on the other side of that coin, the other
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: thing that pop culture tells us is men never want
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to be number two. They never want to be the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: second choice. So then so then but if this guy,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: if guy number one, who has all the things I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: need so I'm not unhoused and hungry, but chose someone
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: else in your number two? What do you want me
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to do about that? Like? Sorry? Like like sorry, I'm
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: so solly help us recreate society. So the option isn't
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I got to marry the super wealthy guy if I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: want to be able to not sleep on in my car?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Also, the second time that I saw it, I got
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: over my anger of the ending and my confusion because,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: as you know, my first reaction was an America Ferrera
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: at I'm broken inside reaction where I'm like, why would
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you spend twenty four hours in the human world and
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: be like, you know who I want to talk to
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: more human men?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: No?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Barbie No? And why he didn't Ria Pearlman tell her
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: absolutebsolutely not will you go and live in the world
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of men? I'm convinced that that's why the Aliens won't
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: actually touch down because they know it's bad here.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: They're like, we can't hang the white men will kill us, right.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: They know they know, they know that they've probably got
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a cousin underneath the Pentagon.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: So I do you hear about what they did to
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: my cousin underneath the Pentagon.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: In area fifty one? This time I paid attention instead
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: of just letting the chills and the giant clown smile
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: have him. And it was the only way she got
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: out of that assumption that Will Ferrell made where he's like, well,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the next part of her story is she's gonna let
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Ken move in. She loves Ken, and she's like, I
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: don't love Ken. I have not liked him once in
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: this movie.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so here's what I love here. I loved
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of things about this film, but to tie
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it into what you're talking about, here's what I loved.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Barbie's presented with a high heel and a Birkenstock. We
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: have all been in that crossroads at some point. Some
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: women are still pro high heel and for different reasons,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and that's totally fine. But the symbolism of the decisions
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: of do you want to keep living naively in this world,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: or do you want to grow and become enlightened? They
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: just happen to be represented through a pink high heel
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: and a Birkenstock. We've all been there, and some women
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: choose to ignore it, and which is part of the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: problem with white feminism because they're like, Oh, we're only
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: gonna worry about our white problems. What do you mean,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: black people? Why do you always make it about racism?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: That's dumb kind of shit, right, you like my face
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: when I'm.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: The Barbie movie made us so mature, I know.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: But then to like bring it to the very end
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and she steps out of the car and she's chosen
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the Birkenstock. Like to me, that was her saying like
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I'm more, especially when she's like giving Ken that speech
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: at the end, like you can be more than just Ken.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't lead that as her giving Ken the speech.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I read it as it started out as Ken's speech.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: But then she's like, oh, I should be listening to
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying to Ken too, because this whole movie,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: people have been trying to tell me who I am
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and what I am. But I need to figure that
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: out for myself.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And for me, it's like a really great parallel of
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: women who move out of their homes, whether it be
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: your family home, your partner's home, whatever, and they have
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the after divorce blow up or they have the I'm
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: just a small town girl living in a lonely world
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: glow up where it's like I got out of this
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: situation that made me comfortable and made me never want
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to go, but I knew I'd never discover anything about
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: myself there.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because growth is scary, Like there's a reason why
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: it's very much encouraged at the age of eighteen to
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: move away and go to college because I'm looking at
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: forty real soon, and I'm like, I need and I'm
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: working on deprogramming. The thought and mentality that our culture
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: has is that you can't do that at forty, but
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: you can because I've experienced a major life change and
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: so I can't be the person. I literally cannot be
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: the person I was five years ago. It's not physically
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: possible anymore. So, like, I love how she's like in
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: this sort of coming of age situation because we also
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: always assume coming of age is only relevant for when
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: you are a teen, but coming of age is really
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: just having a major change in your life. So she's
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: having this coming of age moment. And while people are
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: very upset that she's choosing to live in the real world.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: She's done all that she can do in barbieland M's
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: she has to figure out her next steps, like you said,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: like there has to be more to life to her life.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: And even people were like, oh, then, you know with
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: barbieland they just go back to the things they were
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and like that's so dumb. And I was like, I'm sorry,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: did anybody else here when mother was like, you know,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: said something and then Isa Ray President Barbie was like,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: excuse me, We're not doing that. We're not going back
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to the way it was, right. I don't know if
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: people are interpreting that as we're not going back to
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the way it was when the Ken's took over, or
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: we're not going back to the way it was when
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: it was just us in charge. I read it as
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: we're not going back to the way it was when
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: before the Ken's took over, right, because the Barbies have
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: also now grown and learned from patriarchy, and like they
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: need to figure out what it means for them like
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: to live now either cooperatively or some sort of mixture
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: of like like some sort of new version of matriarchy
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: or what. But I didn't read it at the end, is
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: anybody going back to the way things were?
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Because number one, if Issa Ray was just feeling like, oh, yeah,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: we're not going back to the Ken way of doing things. Yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: well the Ken's got to do their way for like
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: three days. Of course, what a silly thing to tell mother,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: like right, and like what a silly thing to assume
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: that that's what like mother meant? Like, but are we
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: ready to talk about how I don't care. I don't
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: care that people think that this movie was very unjustly
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: unfair to Ken's and men everywhere. Like, I don't care.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Let's get to it. So I think that line they
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: were not going back to the way things are? I
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: think if Issa very perfectly, yes were. I think if
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Isa Ray had then turned to Alan and said, Alan,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: we want you to head up the department of segaa day,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: But instead she turns to Kate McKinnon and weird Barbie
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: offers a genuine apology to be like, hey, we did
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you dirty and we are so sorry, and she's like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I'd love to clean up the dirt everywhere? Can I
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: be in charge of sanitation? I think if they had
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: pivoted to Alan at no One, no one would have
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: ever said. And now they're just they're just going to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a doctor and the men, and the men are going
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to continue to be homeless. Ken's didn't look homeless. We
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: just don't know where they lived because we didn't care.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Exactly because we never cared about where Kens lived. Ever.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: The thing about that scene too, for me, Natalie, is
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: how she it to me. It showed even in a
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: female led and run society, we are still we still
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: have the potential to be back to each other because
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: they were so, oh weird Barbie. I don't want to
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: talk to weird Barbie. Oh my god, I had and
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: then they full on we're just like weird Barbie, come
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: and join us, and Kate McKinnon improvised that line, yeah,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: which I love because she's brilliant and I miss her
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: on SNL. But but that's the other part of it
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: where I'm just like, they're not going back to matriarchy
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: because she's saying like we are becoming more inclusive? Is
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: it more inclusive for Ken's? I don't give a fuck,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I literally don't.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I want more inclusive for Alan and if the Ken's
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: get like privilege out of that too, like just cast
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: off like secondhand privilege. Okay, yeah yeah. But and the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: thing about Weird Barbie is that Kate McKinnon was everyone's
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: biggest supporter. Yes, she was the first one to tell
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you that she loved you. She was the first one
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: to be like, we got to deprogram all these bitches
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: from patriarchy. This isn't how we're living. You're a Nobel
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Peace Prize winner, right, which I loved.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And I loved that because it reminded me of Black
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Widow when Scarlett Johansson and Flow go and try and
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: like deprogram all the women and there's a powder that
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: sort of takes them out of it. That's what it
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: reminded me of, where it was just like we just
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: got to give you this little bit of knowledge and
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: then you can come back to us. But you don't
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: fully lose the consciousness of what it was like when
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you were under the spell. But you remember enough to
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: know that that was bad.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: It was bad. It was a bad time. And honestly,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: if it were not for Fox News, I do think
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that that's how easy it would be to deprogram American
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: women because everything that America Ferrera said is true and
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any fucking sense. Like I have to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: breast feed you, but I also have to suck your cock.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. Make it makes sense right right?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I I'm not a proponent of cable news period,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: like I know who is. I know a lot of
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: people who are on the other side who watch a
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: lot of CNN, and sometimes CNN says things where I'm
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: just like, no, it's all just part of the propaganda machine.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: But that was also the beauty of Barbie is that
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: even with patriarchy, they didn't have a sense of media
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: or propaganda, right because it was all still too new
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that you could easily just be like, girl, you sure
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: you're a Nobel Peace Prize winner, right right?
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: And that's the other part of it too that I think.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: So here's here's another thing that another thought thing I
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: had that I was saving for today because like you met,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you commented on how a lot of people are talking
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: about feminism one on one. I've heard a lot of
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: people talk about, well, maybe there are a lot of
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: women who still need this sort of basic message. You
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: and I have had conversations offline about how there are
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: people in our lives who are pro equality, but then
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: yet there are aspects of their lives that they're still
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: choosing to do to uphold patriarchal standards because all of
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: us are in a different place in our journey of
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: womanhood and our understanding of where we fit. There are
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: women who are going to sit through this movie and
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: weep and feel seen and feel understood and feel heard,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and then are still going to go back to their
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: role in patriarchy because their hand they feel their hands
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: are tied. And then there are women who have broken
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: from it and have deprogrammed it from it enough that
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: they're going to be pissed and annoyed that this was
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the Barbie movie we got. And then there are going
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: to be women who are like I just am going
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: to enjoy it, and I didn't and it's fine, and
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: then there you know, So there's a lot of options
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: here with how we feel about this film and how
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: people feel about this film. But I think as as
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: long as we still have a large subsect of women
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: who are feeling seen and heard but then not empowered
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: enough to change their position and start to deprogram from
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the systems that oppress them. The message is never going
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to change. We're always going to see sort of this
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: feminism one oh one type of concept coming from female
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: led films while we are all.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: On different steps of our journey. And maybe I'm at
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: feminism four oh one or whatever because I have a
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: podcast as a country, as like the overarching country, I
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: would still be like, oh, we're still at feminism one
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: oh one. They just took my abortion rights away this summer.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: They don't want me to have body autonomy because then
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: they know I'll never marry them in a shotgun wedding scenario.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: You know, we're not going to do such a sex
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: education because then how why would we want you to
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: understand how your body works and how to prevent pregnancy.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Look at what's happening in Florida right now. I mean,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I know Flora is making a lot of headlines for
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: what they're doing, but it's like if it's being upheld
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: in ways that exist, like you're mentioning losing our abortion
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: rights in all these other ways. So those are like
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: plugs back into the system to keep us from breaking
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: out of it. And I think that I feel like
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: our country is way too big, and not in population,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and I mean like in culturally, because California is what
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: California can do and the people who live in California,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: and when you think about all the progress we've made
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: in California versus what's existing in other states, it's almost like,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: how do you create an art piece, like a film
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: that's created from IP that is for everybody when all
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: of our country is in various states of distress.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's why in all of the Dystopian novels
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: were broken up into at least twelve districts like that.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: The first thing that happens in Dystopia is that they're
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: all like America is too big, and therefore we will
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: section it off based on land masses. And then Europe
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: just gets to watch us and be like, look, it's
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: so silly. Notice how none of the Soviet.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Novels take place in Europe place in Europe.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: They're always just fucking watching you.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's a really good point, because it
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: is really frustrating sometimes because I live in a red community,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Like where I live is red and sometimes purple, and
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: so it's like when people are so mad that it's
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: feminism one on one. I'm like, no, I went and
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: sat in a movie theater with women who are not
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: getting messages or affirmed that they have autonomy in my
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Californian community.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are so many things that distract women from
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: their own power and their own belief systems and their
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: own goals. And it is motherhood, it is wife for reef,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: it is girl boss culture. It like there's so much
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: at play when it comes to being a woman. Yeah,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: being an African American in America, being a trans woman,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: a trans man, being any part of the queer community,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: any part of the non white community. There's so much
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: that's going in your head at all times that there
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: are days where I'm feminists don't one on one and
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like carrying my heavy bags for me. I am weak,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: am I risks beharding. Like one of my bullet points
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: is this idea that like the Barbie movie couldn't do
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: enough for us because women can't do enough for us.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: And we've been told that for eons.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it's almost like one, Okay, so I understand,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: you know, we need to have this conversation about Barbie.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Like that's a huge thing. About like, oh, why we
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: didn't like it? It had this conversation so important. I
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: get that, like with black films, why is it that
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: we expect a film for a specific community to answer
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: and be the answer for everything, Like why can't it
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: just exist? Did I want more Ray? One hundred percent?
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I did, because I am a little, a little uncomfortable
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: with how much they've used her for the press tour
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: prior to the strike, for how little she's in the movie.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: But that's that's a different conversation.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And I get it. Ken isn't it a lot? But
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: he's also the villain because I was.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Thinking about that the other day. It was like, who
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: would be the Barbie Land villain if it were.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Not Ken capitalism Will Ferrell? But he lives in the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: real world, I'm assuming in this movie where we're not
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: making Ken the villain the real like Mattel starts fucking
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: around with like Barbie cannon or whatever, and it starts
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to affect Barbie Land, and therefore they have to go
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: like hiddnapped Will Ferrell, like in the alternative version, Yeah,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: like in the in the in the version I just
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: wrote in my mind, yeah.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I know, because a lot of people are
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: really upset with how much screen time the Cans get
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: and the Kens have.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Oh well, let's prepare ourselves for something we never thought
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I would say. Okay, movies about misogyny and patriarchy and
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: allowing women to talk about misogyny and patriarchy are the
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: only stories you're ever gonna catch me say. That's exactly
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: the type of movie that men should be the center of.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Fuck Superman, Fuck the Justice League. Thank you Grete for
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: making sure that women never have to sit through the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: nine hour Justice League ever again.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Can we just talk about how when she when that broke?
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Push thrown in about seeing the Sack Snyder cut of
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: the whatever was Justice League? Spider Man, Superman? I don't
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: know It's Justice.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I fucking how Old I died?
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Because every movie bro on the planet is like, this
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: is the greatest cut of Old.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: You don't get it. You get so much more out
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: of the nine hours.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: No. When my son and I when when it was
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: finally on demand, my son and I were like, okay,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: well let's watch it because we didn't see it in
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the theater. We missed it, and we turned it on
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: and then we were like four hours. Cool, fucking hours,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Are you fucking? And then an hour and it happened
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: to it. It's like, this movie is dumb, Like this
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: is such a this is domb, this is dumb. There's
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: no reason, there's no reason, Like I mean, I think
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: we finished it, but it was like grudgingly I was
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: told to break it up into three parts, and.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, three fucking movie. I have to break
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: up a movie into three separate viewing. You can go
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: fuck yourself is basically what I'm saying. If we if
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Greta's true goal was I am going to use Barbie
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: as a platform to present feminism one oh one to
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: women who have bed partners. I don't know what Greta's like.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, Greta had to work with her husband on
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: this movie so that it could even get made. So
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: maybe Greta's feeling some things currently. I don't know. Call
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: me Greta, we can talk. So if Greta's whole point
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: is I am going to make a giant machine of
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: just patriarchy and misogyny awareness. The men have to be
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: at the center. It is their fault that we have
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: patriarchy and misogyny because we have been screaming about all
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: of these ways that they could be making it better,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: and they do not, and they just whine at us, like,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: oh my god. One of my favorite parts is when
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Barbie's like, I just have to take ten seconds to
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: breathe and think, and immediately Ken is like, what am
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I as be doing?
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I am people think. I hate it when people think
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: what am I supposed to do? When people think.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: That's what men have been doing? About like pushing back
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: on this on misogyny and patriarchy awareness, Why do you
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: have to talk like that? Why do you have to
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: make it out like we're all part of the problem.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I go, because we're all part of the it's we
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: we're all part of the problem because we've all lived
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: with internalized misogyny. Yeah, I all understand why I'm a
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: good man at okay.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Also, what I've learned in dating is that if you
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: tell me you're a good guy, you're not a good guy.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Because good guys don't tell me, they show me. Good
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: guys never talk about how they're a good guy. They're
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: just a good guy.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And here's what we all should have taken away from
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: the Barbie movie. It can happen to all of us.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: It took Ken ten minutes, he went to one office
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I should get to be a doctor. Yeah,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I was right, I should be able to do surgery.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: The more deep program. This is what deprogram means looks
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: like for me currently as a feminism in course four
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: oh one, the reason why men are at the center
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: of the Barbie movie is because men are at the
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: center of misogyny and patriarchy. So now women are dumping
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: their boyfriends and their husbands at alarming rates. And we
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: know I love that. I'm always promoting that, but it's
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: me walking through my everyday life as a human woman going.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Is that my friend talking to his wife like that, mister,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a good guy. Is that my friend sitting through
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend completely disregarding her needs any but he's a
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: good guy, he's all right. Is that me watching my
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: friend get passed by on a promotion because she's so
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: emotional and may have a baby one tat one day.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Is that what I'm watching? And they have to be
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: at the center of the movie because they're the problem.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Because it's the problem. I'm oh my gosh. If we
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: cut this as a SoundBite and the in cells find
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: out that I actually said it that they're the problem.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: We'll have to put you in witness protection.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: No, I might have to take to the woods. Yeah,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: but this whole idea that like, well, I just feel
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: like the Barbie movie could have made a stronger point.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It's like, what strong point have you made today? Let
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: me know.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Well, And that goes back to our conversation about our
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: friends who do believe in feminism and equity and equality
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: and all these things, but yet their entire lives are
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: still upholding the systems of patriarchy, and they're raising their
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: children in that, and they're not doing anything to stop
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the cycle of not they stop the cycle of the
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: patriarchy so that way the next generation can do a
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: little bit more and move a little bit more forward.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: And that's the part that's where I am. And my
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: level of you know, feminism is that I don't have time,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I don't have the patience. I have never been a
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: where men have shown up for me. It's always been
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: my fault that I'm a single parent. It's always been
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: my fault that I can't seem to find a job
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: that pays me a libabal wage. It has always been
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: my fault for the reason why my life is the
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: way that it is, and there's never been any grace
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: given to me for the systems that are in place
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: that sort of kind of get in the way that
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I'm struggling to navigate. And now, at thirty nine years old,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I'm over here going I'm not fucking playing those games anymore.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I'm done figuring out my own shit. You can either
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: be a loving, supportive person or you can get the
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: fuck out and not everyone's there.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Well, and the thing of it is, too, not only
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: is everything my fault, but it is also my responsibility
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: to find the grace in it being my fault. And
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: that's why Barbie had to apologize to Ken, because we've
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: all apologize to make sure that we live one more day.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I saw a thing that said, how amazing
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: is it that Barbie lives in the world where she
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: can reject a man's advances and not be fearful of
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: the consequences, Because that's the reality too that we live in,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: and you know, it is very we do have to
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: and I hate it when people are like, oh, we're
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: going are so calculating? Is if it's negative, It's like, well, yeah,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: we have to figure out how to stay alive every day.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Right, I am the only person who is ensuring that
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I live to the next day because I have, as
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: we know, dumps, made uncomfortable, made insecure, so many men
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that it is a miracle that I stand alive today.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I just feel like none of my exes or the
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: men in my life have the energy, the gumption, or
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: frankly give a damn about me enough to actually murder me.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: So well, and that's I mean, And that's the thing
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: that's like this whole like, oh, it's men bashing. It's
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: men bashing. And it's like, well, think about all the
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: movies that we you and I have discussed, or just
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: that get discussed on my show in.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: General, where women are portrayed in a very negative way,
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: and it's the mentality of like, just be grateful that
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: you even have a character who represents you, who's a woman.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Why do we have to do more than that kind
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: of mentality? And I'm not saying that like Greta was like, oh,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: we're gonna do kind of the same thing. What I'm
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: saying is is that we are not allowed or afforded
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to be flawed. We have to still have
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: everything perfect at execution, and I think that's why it
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: kind of bothers me when people are like, oh, this
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: movie sucks, like they could have done more. It's like,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: we haven't had a whole lot of opportunity.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: To do more.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Like you said earlier, like you can't expect the first
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: time we do. We don't have a ton of stories
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: to go on. I was on a podcast a couple
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: of weeks ago that was like, what is this movie like,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: that's one of the questions, and I was like, nothing,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: no notes, I have no notes. After spending time on TikTok,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: there's been a lot of comparisons, and the one that
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: stuck with me the most is Black Panther. You have
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: this interloper who comes in and says, hey, look this
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: is how the world is other places, we need to
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: do that here and then destroys the society that's been
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: isolated forever. And that's essentially you could say Black Panther
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: or you could say Barbie, because both of those things
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: are true. A lot there was people criticize Black Panther too.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: So until we have like an industry that is truly
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: equitable for the people who are creative and wanting to
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: tell stories, it's hard. It's hard for me to like,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: if I'm going to criticize, I think I want it
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: to be in the root of something constructive rather than
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: just like unrealistic. I don't know if that makes sense,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: because sometimes I feel like some of the general criticisms
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: are just like unrealistic.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: And again, there was no winning. If we had just
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: made a fun Barbie movie. If it was just literally
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: like the live action yeah, the Princess and the Pauper,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: a classic Barbie foam. If it was just a reboot
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: of Life Size, I truly feel like it would have
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: done okay at the box office. It never would have
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: been the number one. Like we've gotten some play ladies
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: out of this movie. I mean, right now, we beat Oppenheimer.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: We beat Openheimer, and that's about a bomb and a war,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: and men love to cry about bombs and wars.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I sure do. The other thing that I think about, too,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: with this film is how a lot of people were like, well,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: we didn't even know what was about because the market indeed,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and okay, I feel like if they had given us
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: a full three and a half minute trailer, it would
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: it not Doomed is not the right word, but it
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: would have been created a self fulfilling prophecy of failure,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: because how do you create a trailer for a movie
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: that's about intellectual property that isn't going to leave people
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: feeling like it's not worth it to see it? Like
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I think that they could have made a trainer for it.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I think that it was intentional for this for us
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: to be sort of in the dark about the truth
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: about what was going to happen in this film, because
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: the internet, you give us a little bit and everyone's
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: going to jump on it and critique and criticize and
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: never give it a chance. Or you could just do
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: this fun party type of marketing campaign to get people
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: excited and hope they show up, and then they did
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: show up.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: And they did. So when America Ferira, I think we
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: discount the I didn't play with ken line from America
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Ferira and then Barbie being going, yeah, he's irrelevant.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: People have completely missed that line. You and I've had
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: this conversation. But I think also that line is a
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: direct reflection in a parallel play moment in a dump
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: into America Ferrera's marriage, because we don't even know that
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: she has a husband until we're well into the movie
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and then the kids like should we tell Dad that
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: we're going on Barbie Vaca? And America was like why
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: and I was like, fair is that? And even when
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: she says I didn't even get to go on that
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: trip that I won because of whatever reasons, I was like,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: that's like my vacation time. And it's this moment of like, yeah,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I'm all of my vacation time. Whenever I had vacation
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: time was used for you know, taking my kid to
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: do something that needed to be done. None of it
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: was actually used for vacation. It was just to supplement
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: my income so that way I didn't lose my income
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: because something happened that I had to cater for and
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: care for someone else. Like there were so many little
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: things like that as well. I do love that it
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: was America Ferrera's real husband in real life.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that. Good for that guy. Yeah,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I hope he's not that bad at Spanish. That will
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: make me very upset.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be. I would be surprised because she's fluent,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: and I wouldn't. I would imagine she speaks with her
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: children in Spanish. I would if I was bilingual.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I correct I didn't prioritize Ken, and therefore I subtly
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: put into my subconscious I don't have to prioritize this
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: man over whatever it feels like I have to do.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Right now, I'm saving barbiland why should he get an opinion?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Right? That was completely superplous. I am shocked that people
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: missed that line because it's as they're traveling back to
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: barbieland and to me, it felt very in my face,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: making it very clear that Ken is not an item
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: we are concerned with. Therefore, answering the questions like all
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: the complaints that people had about all the stuff, I
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: was like, that answered it for me, because everything else
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: after that came back to that one line. Right.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: You know why the Ken's had time to have like
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: choreography that dance battles is because they don't have jobs.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Right, they're not in Congress. They're not in Congress. Nobody
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: cares because and so for me, it was like, we're
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: setting it up kenness superflous. No one plays with Ken, oh,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: anybody who played with Ken? And when Ken did come around,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: he's such a very specific purpose and it was mostly sexual.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was like, of course I played with Ken,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I created soap operas with my barbies, but it was
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: literally just like yeah, smash, smash, smash, smash, scissor scissor
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: scissors right.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: The thing. I want to go back to the dream
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: ballet really quickly, because I think I did say in
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: the interview I did a few weeks ago it reminded
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: me of gene Kelly. It reminded me of the gene
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Kelly dream ballets that are in like every single one
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: of his fucking movies, Like, did this man make a
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: movie without a dream ballet? If you did text it
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: to me, because I've not seen it, and I've seen
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: almost all of his movies, and I thought that, and
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: I just so I really loved that, and I didn't
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: hate that it was the Kens that had the big
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: number because it felt very much like he's having a
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: moment and he's trying to figure it out and he's
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: going through this sort of identity crisis again. And I
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: just thought it was so beautifully done through the dream
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: ballant and it made me so happy. And I don't
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: know my bias because I love fucking dream ballets.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Also, I think that when you say that the Ken's
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: got the only big flashy number. It's a real insult
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to that opening number of barn I say that because
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: that's what other people are saying. No, but I'm talking
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: to them personally. I'm like, you know, we had glittery jumpsuits.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: We had Ken making in cell face like that was
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, people, no one's learning the k enough uh
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: choreography on TikTok. They're learning learning the dance party. When
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: he's like, Barbie, can I come over tonight and she's like, sure,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: nothing's going on. I just have like a really big
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: disco party planned with the girls and the other Ken's
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: and we're going to do choreographe desography and he's like cool,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: and every night is girls' night. It did break my
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: heart when she said not every night had to be
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: girls night, and I was like, every night is girl's night.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Every You're everything, He's just Ken. It was a very
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: big like you are the sun from Gerry's Anatomy. You
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: are the sun, not him.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting too, is I was thinking about
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: it more. It's like I really do So. I had
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: a relationship with somebody. We had seen each other a
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: lot over the course of two weeks, and I was
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: really missing my friends. And I had said, like, Hey,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: I really on Friday, I really want to go see
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: my friends, like they're planning this thing. I'm gonna go.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I really miss them, blah blah, solemn face. I'm The
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: response was a very solemn, sober looking face, and it
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: was just like this moment, like that's when I kind
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: of knew. It's like, this isn't gonna work. Because if
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: you are gonna have that response whenever I want to
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: see my people, We're gonna have a problem.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: No fuck that guy. Would you indulge me in doing
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: the big takeaway and the manifestation for the Barbie Movie
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: for my show since we're combining our shows.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: I know we're.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Combining our shows. Yeah, of course I will. Let's do it,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: all right? What is your biggest takeaway from the Barbie Movie?
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: My biggest takeaway?
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: God, I've had so many iterations of it over the
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: last few weeks because again I saw it four times.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with how do I
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: want to commit to this one?
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: On your show?
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: On your portion of the show, do I want to
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: commit to this? I'm going to commit to this and
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: then in a year we can revisit Barbie and see
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: where we are in our progress. I think my biggest
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: takeaway was neither patriarchy nor matriarchy serves people. It needs
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: to be cooperative. That was my biggest takeaway.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I feel like that was a lot of people who's
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: complaining big takeaway too, like why don't they want the
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Kens to do anything? And I was like, well, look
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: how well they were doing at beach and overthrowing the government.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm not I'm not angry.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like I'm all
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: for cooperation with the girls' gays in the days.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Because it's because it really because it to me, it
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: was like matriarchy's bad. Matriarchy is not bad, but it's
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: also not inclusive to all the residents who live here.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: So what is the true solution. We have to figure
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: that out for ourselves in Barbieland.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: You know who disagrees with you, Robert. Have you seen
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: that clip where it's like Robert Downey Junior, how do
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: you feel about an entire society ran by women? He's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: like I was saying for decades, that's what's supposed to
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: be happening.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: So I have seen that clip. I love that clip.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I think that if you're only wanting to live in
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: white feminism, that is the answer. Yes, I think that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: when because I think for me, if you want to
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: bring the levels of race involved, if we were one
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: society and racism didn't exist, sure, but that's not yeah
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: it right, Like we have to consider this movie is
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: written through the lens of white racism or white feminism,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: whether or not you grew with that, not you specifically,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: but people listening. And then also it could be like
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: sort of a satirical commentary on white feminism if you
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: want to go down that road. And if that is
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: the true case, then like, we can't exist within a
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: matriarchy that is primarily through the lens of white feminism.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Correct, because that would be icky.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: It would just leave the rest of us women out
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: in a way, and it would be just in my mind,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: it'd be just like patriarchy in the in the line
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: of but we're equal, why are you mad? Yeah?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: No, agreed. I think my biggest takeaway is, honestly, there
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: will be so many days in September twenty twenty three
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: and beyond where I will have to sit in the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: feminine joy that was this summer between the Erastour, Stevie Nicks,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: the Barbie movie, making friendships for any and every event
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I should. I could go to having those friendships then
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: lead me having those friendship bracelets and actually lead me
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: to friendships with talented people I admire, or even just
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: getting my name to talented people I admire. There will
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: be so many days where I will want to hold
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: in the feeling that I felt for the events of
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Summer twenty twenty three and the feminine joy. And I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: think when it comes to Barbie and Taylor Swift, Taylor
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Swift is capitalism Barbie.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: We know it.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: She's probably also white feminism Barbie. We know it in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: the movie when when Margo Robbie calls herself stereotypical Barbie,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the little girl goes, what a white savior, Barbie. Yeah,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of applause. But I
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: got to take the winds where there are winds. And
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: if feminine joy is always going to be something that
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: is attacked, then I want to hold on to this
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: feeling that the summer of twenty twenty three gave me.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. And we didn't even
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: touch on a stereotycle to Barbie of it all, because
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: that literally is the lens that this film is iss through.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: She's supposed to be perfect, she's supposed to be all
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: these things. So you're mad because she's upset because she's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: getting cellulite, Well, she's stereotypical Barbie.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Like, also, I'm sorry if cellulite didn't exist in Barbie Land,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I looked at my thigh
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: and it as a woman who lives in the real world,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: if something weird has happened on my skin, I'm like,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: well you think that is?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, how the fuck did we open this show?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Your hands got it was flowed on it.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, do you think this is the end for me? Like,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: I've been obsessed with my cat's eye goop all week
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: and because I rubbed lotion into the shower, which she
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: rubbed into her I've spent this entire recording rubbing suntan
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: lotion in my eye and then be like I can't
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: understand why my but yeah, it would be startling. Everything
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: that happened to Barbie was startling because it was a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: surprise that she had never encountered before. Right, Barbie's don't
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: age the fact that she was aging is an alarm moment.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so anyways, Also, why can't we just take
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: the wind that we now all know that Margo Robbie
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: has cellulite, or at least let them put cellulite makeup
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: on her. Margot Robbie, you did a hell of a job.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: You did a hell of a job, and you're outit slap.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: I remember something I wanted to bring up, and I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: totally just remembered it right now. And I'm so sorry
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: because I know we're getting ready.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: To close off the show.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Go for it in tulted me think it. Thank you
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: so much is why we're good friends and collaborators. There's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: a video clip circulating where Brad Pitt is referring to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Margot Robbie as a barbie when they're doing promo for
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Once upon a Time in Hollywood, and she takes serious
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: offense to it, like, so, I'm not a barbie. Don't
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: call me that. I'm not a barbie. And people were
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: sort of pointing to that as like a kind of
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: you know, insert dumb stuff here. Here's the difference to
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: me when I saw that a man referring to you
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: as a Barbie because men don't understand what barbies mean
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: to us, what they are. They're only hearing, maybe necessary,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: they're maybe only hearing the discourse about how she's a
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: detriment to feminism and she sets feminism back to the years.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: We heard that speech from you know, Sausha in the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: beginning of the film. That was not my experience with barbies.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Barbies were always fun, imaginative, look at what you can
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: accomplish type of shit. Versus Margot Robbie choosing to be
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: a barbie versus us choosing to be a version of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: a Barbie that's empowered, what have you? Like? That's the difference.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Like when a man calls you a barbie, it's an insult.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: When we call ourselves a barbie, it's an empowerment.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: The thing about Margot Robbie saying that, don't call me
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: a barbie, it reminds me of like the fake discourse
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: that people are trying to like stir up about how
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Amy Schumer walked away from this project, right, And I'm like,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: leave Amy Schumer alone. I don't think, like now we've
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: all just made up that Amy Schumer thought that she
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: was too good to play barbie, Right, And I was like, well,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: number one, she did say the project just wasn't what
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I thought it was, So I said, no, thanks, And
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: how they're trying to be like Amy Schumer hates the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Barbie movie, she hates Fabbinus, she just wanted to be
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: funny Barbie lady, and then making comments about whether or
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: not her body can uphold the Barbie image. And I'm like, fuck, everybody,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: what if Amy Schumer wanted to go to the Barbie movie?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: What if she wanted to wear the el Woods costume
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: to the fucking Barbie movie with all of her friends.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Now y'all have ruined it. Yeah, stop pinning women against
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: one another. That it was something she said a decade
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: ago when she hit went, you know what, I got
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: another offer? What are your manifestations related to the Barbie movie?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I hope that my man, I want this and we've
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: seen it. We've seen a lot of women sort of
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: going through this evolution of like, oh, I'm not in
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: a relationship that's good for me. My hope is that
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: that sort of growth continues and they become a fully fledged,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: actualized person and work themselves out of the confines of
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: the programming that is patriarchy. This is a great place
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: to be. We will welcome you, sisters, It is a
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: great place to be. We will hold your hand, we
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: will write your breakup text. We will send your ex's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: letters like you better return her goddamn books.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I'm coming for you. There's nothing I like more than
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: what I call legal vengeance. It's just really inconsiderate. It's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: inconvenient and inconsiderate of me to do this to someone.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: But I'm doing it because I'm petty and I love
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: petty vengeance. My manifestation is the entire female Supreme Court.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Oh amazing, and not full of Amy Cohen Barons either.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: No, not Amy Cohen Barons. I want I want Asa
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: ready to talk to me more. I want hate McKinnon.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I would just like to get to the point in
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: feminism six oh one where we decide that Margot Robbie
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: and any woman who looks like Margot, oh Robbie, they
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: don't have anything of value to say, because that is
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: also a tool of the patriarchy. They hate us. If
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: we're fat, they hate us. If we're beautiful, they hate us.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: That's the moral of the story, and their best and
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: most truthful way to hate us is to pin one
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: another against each other. The fact that men are just
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: calling Margot Robbie mid because they're so pissed off about
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: this movie.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is really upsetting when women even play into
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: it too. I think that's the hardest part about the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: depprogramming process is when you recognize the women who.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Are upholding this system as well.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Madison Beer book, we just read the books.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: You felt so.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Disenfranchised and like she couldn't.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Share her true feelings because then people would come at
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: her because she's wealthy, because she's famous, because she's young,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: because she's beautiful, and it's like you can feel all
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: of those things even if you're outside package is what
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: we all think is what we want.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Listen. I get to meet Brendan Lee Mulligan on Saturday
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: after he gave me a special shout out for my
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: friendship Bracelet during his live stream because he had a
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: fucking plane to catch. And I know that there are
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: going to be very insecure people who are going to
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: take to the Internet and whine that they were in
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: line to meet him and he had to go but
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: he had a show on Sunday night. And I know
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: that because I'm a real fan so he ended playing
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: to catch, but I did get to hug Erica. And
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: this is why I'm going to say about Margot Robbie
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: and anyone and man Ison Beer and any of them,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: There's nothing I love more than a fucking beautiful woman.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: And when I say that there's nothing I love more
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: than a fucking beautiful woman, I mean across the board. Yeah, looks, brains, heart,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: any of it. There is nothing I find more powerful
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: in this world than a fucking beautiful woman. And at
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're all fucking beautiful. And
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: that's why they're scared.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: And how much happier in better world society be if
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: we didn't play the well you have this so you
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be allowed to feel bad game.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: I believe we did a whole podcast episode about it.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: I believe it's called Blame and Shame.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we did go listen to that after you've
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: listened to this so much.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Blame and shame, baby, And that's why the old woman
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: wound Margot Robbie. Wait, you're beautiful, she went fucking duh.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, And you know Greta had to fight to keep.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: That scene in right because men hate old women. God
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: forbid a woman should age and she.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Was even on camera saying, like, to me, that's the
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: heart of the movie. That's the heart of the movie.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: That is the whole point on why we are here.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: And that made me cry because we have had conversations
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: on pop culture. Makes me jealous about how you know,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: there's this point where when you become aged that everyone
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: just doesn't care about you anymore, and like, it's scary,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: but wouldn't it be so much better if the concepts
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: of barbieland like the we're all together, we all love
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: each other, we're all connected, we all support each other
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: truly did exist in our society.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Well, Jiles, do you want to plug first or do
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: you want me to plug first? Because it's difficult because
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: we're combining this episode onto both of our shows, and
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: usually we would let the guests go first, but technically
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: there's no guests. We're co hosts. Thank you co hosting.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: And you know what I'm gonna do except for outro
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: completely Oh okay, so I'm gonna probably all right.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: So that's how we're doing it. Everyone. We're gonna be
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: classy about it, and we're just gonna fill in this
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: time with the pre recorded outro. All right, and as promised,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: here's our pre recorded outro. Thank you so much for
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: joining Julia and I on our episode about the Barbie Movie.
• 1:12:24
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• 1:13:04
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