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We Give Our Honest Opinions About the State of Mental Health · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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Speaker 1: So today we're talking about our general experiences, but how
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Speaker 1: does it weigh on your mental health to have a
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Speaker 1: football team.
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Speaker 2: That has just been historically bad.
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Speaker 1: This is Millennial Mental Health Channel. I'm doctor Justin Romano,
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Speaker 1: a child adolescent psychiatry fellow.
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Speaker 3: And I'm Medi Koreo, a licensed clinical therapist. Our podcast
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Speaker 3: is here because we wanted to start a much need
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Speaker 3: to conversation about mental health.
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Speaker 1: Our goal is to teach you as much as we
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Speaker 1: can by sharing our own experiences and interviewing experts in
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Speaker 1: the mental health field. We will discuss topics like mood disorders,
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Speaker 1: psychotic disorders, substance use, personality disorders, and many more.
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Speaker 3: Millennial Mental Health Channel buy Millennials for everyone. We hope
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Speaker 3: you enjoy today's episode.
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Speaker 1: MMHC is a production of Speaker from iHeartMedia, I Heart Mirror.
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Speaker 3: And you know, here's the thing. We're talking about the
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Speaker 3: Las Vegas formerly Oakland Raiders. It's taught me a lot
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Speaker 3: about myself. A couple of things come to my grid. Perseverance,
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Speaker 3: just the will to endure hard things, I think is
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Speaker 3: really what I've learned over the last twenty four years. So, yeah,
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Speaker 3: the Broncos beat the Raiders this past weekend and it's
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Speaker 3: just part for the course, I think is the right
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Speaker 3: term to use. We just we just kind of suck so.
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Speaker 1: And to be honest, the Broncos snapped a what six
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Speaker 1: game losing streak to the Raiders or was it?
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Speaker 3: I believe it was eight? You know, No, no on
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Speaker 3: them was counting.
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Speaker 1: So I had to I had to brag a little bit,
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Speaker 1: just because it's been nothing to brag about for eight years.
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Speaker 3: Only four we played each other twice a year. Don't worry,
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Speaker 3: it hasn't been that long.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's eight years.
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Speaker 1: Ever since Peyton Manning left, we've been really bad too.
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Speaker 1: I think we haven't had a Broncos haven't had a
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Speaker 1: winning season since the old sheriff mosied on out of town.
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Speaker 3: Yeah a light trot, yes, because he was moving gingerly
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Speaker 3: at that point.
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Speaker 2: Hey well man, Yeah, he could barely move his neck.
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Speaker 3: Well, we're not going to just talk about the Raiders
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Speaker 3: in the Broncos because that would be awful and there
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Speaker 3: really wouldn't be much to talk about, especially in recent history.
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Speaker 3: But what we did want to focus on for today
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Speaker 3: is just the mental health provider experience and just really
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Speaker 3: kind of just have a longer discussion between Justin and
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Speaker 3: I have just what we've seen over the last I
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Speaker 3: say about five is years, but we can go a
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Speaker 3: little further. And I think the five year the number
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Speaker 3: five really comes from the fact that next month we're
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Speaker 3: going to be five years old, the show will hit
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Speaker 3: it's five year anniversary. And I think a lot has
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Speaker 3: changed since November and twenty nineteen. And I want to
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Speaker 3: make that very clear. We were a pre covid podcast.
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Speaker 3: We started way before all the other people, and we're
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Speaker 3: still going so pre covid. Do not lump us in
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Speaker 3: to the group of the COVID podcasters, but we started before,
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Speaker 3: not long before, but far enough before where yeah, a
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Speaker 3: shit ton of things has changed. We mentioned a lot,
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Speaker 3: but our humble beginnings mostly mine with my cheap Amazon microphone.
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Speaker 3: It is really just wild to see how far the
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Speaker 3: show has come from the start to now. Just the
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Speaker 3: amount of listeners and supporters we continue to get is
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Speaker 3: super cool. We're excited to just kind of see what
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Speaker 3: happens in the next five years. I think over the
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Speaker 3: last five years and even before that, I know, for me,
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Speaker 3: I've been out of school and working for seven but
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Speaker 3: really over the last five years, a lot has changed, right,
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Speaker 3: COVID I think really did a number on everything and
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Speaker 3: probably sped a lot of things up, But really a
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Speaker 3: lot of things in our field, both in the therapy
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Speaker 3: field site in the psychiatry field, a lot of things
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Speaker 3: have changed. So really, we just kind of wanted to
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Speaker 3: talk about the experience. We wanted to reflect for a
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Speaker 3: little bit, reflect on the last five years of the
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Speaker 3: show and the last five years of our career, and
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Speaker 3: just kind of think about how we got here, what
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Speaker 3: we've seen, and just even to think about what might
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Speaker 3: change in the future, because things can change pretty quickly.
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Speaker 3: I think that's one thing we've is that things can
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Speaker 3: change very fast and without a whole lot of warning. So, yeah,
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Speaker 3: we just wanted to talk about our experience. We'll have
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Speaker 3: a nice discussion of different questions. We even have one
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Speaker 3: from one of our listeners from our Instagram post yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Without further ado, here's our discussion.
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Speaker 1: Give me a little bit of an overview of your career,
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Speaker 1: especially over the last five years, and because I know
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Speaker 1: you've had a couple different changes in jobs, you know
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Speaker 1: you personally have had a couple of different changes, So yeah,
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Speaker 1: tell me where you've been in the past five years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to do the main first job that
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Speaker 3: a lot of therapists have, which was in community mental health. Overworked, underpaid.
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Speaker 3: It was fine, It wasn't that bad. I honestly like,
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Speaker 3: if it wasn't for COVID again, COVID popping up, who
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Speaker 3: knows how long I would have stayed. Because I did
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Speaker 3: really like the job I was at. I did really
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Speaker 3: like the people I was working with, my clients. There
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Speaker 3: was something about working with primarily Medicare Medicare Aid clients
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Speaker 3: that was fulfilling for me that I did really enjoy
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Speaker 3: to get to just provide these services for families. We
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Speaker 3: were even a I can't remember the acronym off the
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Speaker 3: top of my head, but we were this like approved
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Speaker 3: site for this national program where if you work, if
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Speaker 3: you do two years of licensed work, you actually get
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Speaker 3: a chunk of your student loans paid off. And I
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Speaker 3: was fully willing to do that. But you know, COVID
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Speaker 3: changed a lot of things, and I had to kind
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Speaker 3: of change my priorities and what was important to me. So,
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Speaker 3: you know, after those those few years of working in
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Speaker 3: commune mental health, I switched to a nonprofit hospital which
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Speaker 3: again I really enjoyed. I thought it was really cool.
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Speaker 3: I got to specialize a little bit and not even
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Speaker 3: a little bit, a lot in needing disorders. But again,
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Speaker 3: things change, and that's kind of just shifted me to
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Speaker 3: here where I'm at now at the high school. As
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Speaker 3: they're the titles the licensed mental health specialist, I just
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Speaker 3: tell everybody I'm the school therapist. But yeah, I think
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Speaker 3: a lot has changed career wise of just like priorities
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Speaker 3: and thinking of like it is the best for me.
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Speaker 3: It feels weird and it feels a little selfish as
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Speaker 3: like a therapist, like should I really be thinking about myself?
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Speaker 3: And I think, for what I tell a lot of
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Speaker 3: my students as an adjunct professor, you should think about
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Speaker 3: yourself and you should think about what's important to you.
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Speaker 3: So a lot has changed for me. I think work
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Speaker 3: life balance is one of those things. Time off is
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Speaker 3: one of those things. I've had an opportunity to leave
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Speaker 3: to go make a little bit more money, but that
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Speaker 3: would have changed a lot of things in terms of
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Speaker 3: like work life balance and time off. So it really
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Speaker 3: helped to tell me like what was important to me
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Speaker 3: and the importance of you know, work life balance and
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Speaker 3: time off, So I think that's one of the biggest
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Speaker 3: things that's changed. It's just my priorities in terms of
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Speaker 3: a job and where I'm working and a career. What
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Speaker 3: about you, justin.
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Speaker 1: As someone who knows you pretty well, I think you're
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Speaker 1: in the perfect job. I think kids gravitate towards you.
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Speaker 1: You've got such a magnetic personality, and.
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Speaker 2: I think you're just doing a really good job with
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Speaker 2: those kids there. So I'm really happy. I'm happy you're
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Speaker 2: enjoying it too.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: But oh my god, what hasn't changed in my life
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Speaker 1: in the past five years? Personal life wise. I got
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Speaker 1: married in twenty twenty COVID wedding. We were supposed to
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Speaker 1: have this giant wedding with like over two hundred people,
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Speaker 1: and then we ended up just paring it down to
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Speaker 1: just the bridal party and immediate family. But I got
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Speaker 1: married in twenty twenty. I had a son in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty three. Liam's a year and a half old.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy to think he is talking like crazy. He's
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Speaker 1: learning words left and right. He's really obsessed with planes
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Speaker 1: right now. And we live right next to like a
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Speaker 1: small airport, so there's always these little planes flying all
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Speaker 1: over the place, and every time he hears any sort
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Speaker 1: of motor he can't say peas or l's yet, so
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Speaker 1: he'll just point to the sky and go Wayne. We
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Speaker 1: were like, no, it's a leafblower, man, that's not a plane.
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Speaker 1: Hear something else, Wayne, It's pretty cute. He's a pretty
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Speaker 1: special kid, but career wise, a lot his chain. Because
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Speaker 1: we started this, I was in my second year of residency,
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Speaker 1: ended up doing five years of residency, and then I
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Speaker 1: just completed my first year of being an attending And
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Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to throw out too is I
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Speaker 1: know we have a lot of people who are interested
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Speaker 1: in going into mental health one day, if anyone has
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Speaker 1: any questions about the journey to becoming a psychiatrist, because
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Speaker 1: it is a pretty long road, but it's a great
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Speaker 1: road and you learn a lot, and it's a lot
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Speaker 1: about self discovery and learning about who you are so
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Speaker 1: that you can help people with themselves a lot better too.
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Speaker 1: So if anyone has any questions or ever wants to
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Speaker 1: know about that process, like, shoot us a message, send
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Speaker 1: us an email, slide into our DMS whatever you need.
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Speaker 1: I recently tried to slide into the DMS of Reagun,
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Speaker 1: the breakdancer from Australia, immediately blocked, yeah, she hasn't messaged
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Speaker 1: me back. But I was like, you know what, she
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Speaker 1: faced a lot of hate and for just dancing. I
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Speaker 1: don't think she was trying to offend it with her dancing,
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Speaker 1: and so I was like, I bet you have it
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Speaker 1: a great story to tell. But she didn't apparently see
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Speaker 1: the message. I'm sure she would have replied.
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Speaker 2: If not.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, and being on my own, being like a full
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Speaker 1: doctor and not having like anyone above me checking charts,
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Speaker 1: checking everything has been good.
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Speaker 2: It's been nice.
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Speaker 1: It's been freeing in a lot of ways. It's been
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Speaker 1: nerve wracking in a lot of ways because there is
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Speaker 1: a lot more responsibility on my shoulders and a lot
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Speaker 1: of these things do fall to me.
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Speaker 2: But I was just thinking about it the other day.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about some of the patients that I have,
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Speaker 1: and I felt this like overwhelming feeling of like love
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Speaker 1: and connection, and I was.
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Speaker 2: Just like, that's awesome.
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Speaker 1: How many jobs do you actually get to connect and
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Speaker 1: feel like you're actually getting to know young people and
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Speaker 1: hopefully making a difference in their lives, giving them a
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Speaker 1: safe place to be themselves to work through their issues,
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Speaker 1: and so I am so lucky that I get to
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Speaker 1: do what I do, and that gratefulness is a really
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Speaker 1: important part of mental health too.
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Speaker 3: It's crazy that you mentioned that was your second year
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Speaker 3: of residency, Like that's fucking yeah. Time has fucking flowed.
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Speaker 3: But like you're doing that. I know you guys have moved.
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Speaker 3: What is stood out to you from being a resident
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Speaker 3: to then doing fellowship to now being a full blown
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Speaker 3: on your own doctor psychiatrist. What is stood out for you.
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Speaker 1: That this job is somewhat emotionally difficult and you have
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Speaker 1: to learn how to manage it and deal with it
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Speaker 1: in healthy ways. Because yeah, I've got some unhealthy coping
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Speaker 1: mechanisms out there too, but boy, I've really had to
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Speaker 1: learn how to get out that sadness, how to not
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Speaker 1: take these things home. And by no means am I
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Speaker 1: perfect yet that it's still sometimes I come home and
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Speaker 1: I am exhausted, And you know, sometimes, especially like right
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Speaker 1: when school starts, is always the hardest time because everyone's
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Speaker 1: really struggling. There's lots of stress with school, and it's
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Speaker 1: easy to let it get to you and get you down.
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Speaker 1: So just learning how to take care of yourself and
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Speaker 1: the importance of it, because you can't help anyone if
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Speaker 1: you're struggling, if you're drowning too, you can't help anyone
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Speaker 1: get out of the water. Yeah, and all the stuff
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Speaker 1: that you've done with kids and working in the high
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Speaker 1: school and all these different settings, Like what do you
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Speaker 1: think stands out. What's the biggest learning thing.
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Speaker 3: For me was learning the importance of time off. I
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Speaker 3: just hadn't thought about that, and I hadn't like experienced
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Speaker 3: a job that had so much time off. Like if
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Speaker 3: you remember back when you were in school, it's not
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Speaker 3: like we were missing school all the time. But you
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Speaker 3: think of a typical school year. We start end of August.
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Speaker 3: In September, you have Labor Day right away, you go
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Speaker 3: into October, there tends to be some kind of in
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Speaker 3: service day or some kind of random day off, which
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Speaker 3: actually is this Friday for us. You go to November,
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Speaker 3: you have Veterans Day and you have Thanksgiving me a break.
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Speaker 3: December you have holiday break, Winter break, Christmas Break, January
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Speaker 3: have MLK Day, February have President Day. You get into March,
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Speaker 3: spring break, Like, there's just so much opportunity for time off,
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Speaker 3: and I just hadn't had a job where that was
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Speaker 3: something that I had. I had my days off when
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Speaker 3: I worked for the county in the community mental health clinic,
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Speaker 3: I would have like the federal holidays off, but then
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Speaker 3: other than that, I'm working Monday through Friday, earning through Thursday.
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Speaker 3: When I had my four tens, So to have a
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Speaker 3: job where I had a lot of additional time off,
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Speaker 3: especially the summer, really has just made me appreciate how
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Speaker 3: valuable that is. When I had an opportunity to after
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Speaker 3: my first year to go to a different nonprofit organization
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Speaker 3: or nonprofit hospital, the pay increase was big, but the
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Speaker 3: time off was going to be different. Right now, I'm
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Speaker 3: contracted for one hundred and ninety days a year. I
12:43
Speaker 3: think on average people work about two hundred and sixty
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Speaker 3: ish days a year, right so that's a pretty big jump.
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Speaker 3: And just to really see how much days off and
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Speaker 3: time off are really important to me and kind of
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Speaker 3: now have a dollar value to me, which I never
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Speaker 3: thought of it before and had never considered. So I think
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Speaker 3: that's that's probably the biggest thing for me, is the
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Speaker 3: value of time off and consistent time off.
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Speaker 1: Even like big chunks of time off too, like it's
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Speaker 1: nice to have like a random three day weekend, four
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Speaker 1: day weekend here and there, but it's so resetting and
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Speaker 1: rejuvenating to take a week off to do something totally different,
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Speaker 1: to take yourself completely out of your situation and reset.
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Speaker 2: And I agree.
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Speaker 1: The longer I go on, the more I realize, like
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Speaker 1: how important it is to take a little bit of
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Speaker 1: time off to give you that time to reflect.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think I've maybe mentioned the story in the past,
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Speaker 1: but I used to have an attending who said that
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Speaker 1: once a year she would schedule a vacation for herself
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Speaker 1: where she had She wouldn't tell anyone like where she
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Speaker 1: was going, what she was doing. She would just like
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Speaker 1: fly somewhere, and then on that first day of her vacation,
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Speaker 1: she would just sit and cry and get it all out,
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Speaker 1: like all the And it hits me sometimes too, like
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Speaker 1: the all the pain and suffering that you hear about
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Speaker 1: it can sneak up on you. But she gave it
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Speaker 1: a time and place to let it all out, to
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Speaker 1: let all the stuff she had absorbed over the past year.
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Speaker 1: And I love that about her. I love that she
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Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to tell us that that was something that
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Speaker 1: she did, and love that she did that for herself.
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Speaker 3: There's probably something helpful too about like, Okay, I just
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Speaker 3: got to go a little longer. I'll get to that
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Speaker 3: day off or get to that time off and probably
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Speaker 3: helps you keep going. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, in our teens, especially you're in the schools, what
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Speaker 1: do you see are the main stressors they're facing today?
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Speaker 1: And like how might they be different than the stressors
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Speaker 1: from ten years ago.
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Speaker 3: I feel like one thing that's really stood out has
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Speaker 3: just been like, and this is a no fault to
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Speaker 3: our kids. I don't think, it's just how hard it
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Speaker 3: is to deal with stressors. Like the distress tolerance I
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Speaker 3: think is a little lower. And this is not to
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Speaker 3: be like oh back in my day, like none of
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Speaker 3: that bullshit, but just like it's hard to everyone has
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Speaker 3: gone through this like collective trauma without like really learning
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Speaker 3: how to deal with it because we just couldn't. So
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Speaker 3: I think, like the distress tolerance for not just teens,
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Speaker 3: for everybody, it's just a lot lower than it was.
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Speaker 3: But that's the overall thing. But I think another piece
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Speaker 3: to it with teens specifically is like you've talked about
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Speaker 3: it and if you haven't seen Justin's ted talk. You
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Speaker 3: got to go see it on you know, the phone
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Speaker 3: and technology addiction, but just the use of phones, the
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Speaker 3: use of social media, and how much like that's like
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Speaker 3: you can have your bully that lives nowhere near you
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Speaker 3: in your pocket blowing your phone up and they have
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Speaker 3: all this control over you, whereas before it was like
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Speaker 3: as long as I don't see them at school today,
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Speaker 3: I guess it doesn't matter. So I think that's a
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Speaker 3: big piece to it. Is like that overall connection all
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Speaker 3: the time to everybody everywhere is a big is a
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Speaker 3: big stressor that that other those other pieces of you know,
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Speaker 3: the fear of missing out, feeling like you need to
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Speaker 3: be in the know on things, you have to be
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Speaker 3: following all these trends. That's a lot of pressure that
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Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of kids had, you know,
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Speaker 3: ten years ago. If I think ten years ago, we're
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. I was twenty fourteen at that time.
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Speaker 3: I was a senior in college. Like I don't know,
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Speaker 3: like we had the technology, but snapchat works different than
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Speaker 3: it did back in the day. At some point we
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Speaker 3: got Instagram, DMS. We didn't always have that. Like there's
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Speaker 3: just all these things that the technology has gotten better,
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Speaker 3: but in turn that might have made things worse for
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Speaker 3: the teens because now they just have all this unlimited
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Speaker 3: access to each other and to other people, and it's
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Speaker 3: a lot of stimulation to have all the time, and
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Speaker 3: there's so much technology use all the time, like you
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Speaker 3: know for sure, you know, you and I in college
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Speaker 3: was really for me. That's when I really started to
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Speaker 3: use a computer or a laptop. I didn't have a laptop,
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Speaker 3: so I got to college, so that's when I really
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Speaker 3: started to use a computer all the time. But now
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Speaker 3: kids in high school are getting chromebooks and iPads and
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Speaker 3: stuff everywhere, you know, so they're using technology all the time,
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Speaker 3: which is great, they need it, but it might be
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Speaker 3: too much at this point.
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Speaker 1: A great and I would definitely just piggyback on that,
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Speaker 1: and I know we talk about that a lot on
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Speaker 1: this show.
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Speaker 2: I did a couple of shadowing days where.
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Speaker 1: I went into the high high school and in Omaha
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Speaker 1: my last year of residency, and just to see how
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Speaker 1: much it had changed from when I was a kid,
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Speaker 1: when I was growing up in high school, how technology
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Speaker 1: and iPads Like every class it was like, all right,
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Speaker 1: get out your iPads, your lectures uploaded, go through it
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Speaker 1: and then fill out the quiz on this app, and
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Speaker 1: it's just like everything was digital.
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Speaker 2: Everything was on the iPad.
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Speaker 1: No one had any books, and I thought that was
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Speaker 1: such a huge change, and so you need your iPad
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Speaker 1: for everything. It's more and more and more screen time
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Speaker 1: all the time. Plus I think it's really it's really
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Speaker 1: changing the way teens interact with the world. If you
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Speaker 1: look at the numbers I've seen the for eighteen year olds,
17:47
Speaker 1: they spend about ninety three percent of their free time
17:50
Speaker 1: on screens these days, which is an ungodly amount of
17:54
Speaker 1: screen time. It's average, you know, seven to nine hours
17:57
Speaker 1: per day for young people. And people are on their
18:01
Speaker 1: phone so much now it's monopolizing so much of their
18:04
Speaker 1: time that they're not wanting to go out and spend
18:08
Speaker 1: time with people in real life, and those connections in
18:12
Speaker 1: real life are suffering. A lot of people just sit
18:16
Speaker 1: in the room all day playing video games on their phone.
18:19
Speaker 1: They don't come out and talk to their parents, and
18:22
Speaker 1: they're drawing farther and farther away from their parents. They
18:25
Speaker 1: don't have any friends in real life. All they have
18:27
Speaker 1: are friends on Discord, friends on Facebook, friends on different.
18:31
Speaker 1: I guess kids aren't using Facebook, maybe not Face, but
18:36
Speaker 1: they're getting all their connections online, and studies show that
18:41
Speaker 1: they are just not as deep of connections. You don't
18:45
Speaker 1: feel them, you don't feel like they're there for you,
18:48
Speaker 1: and they're not there in real life. They can't empathize
18:52
Speaker 1: with you and they can't hear it when you're struggling
18:55
Speaker 1: as much. And so it's I think that's a big
18:58
Speaker 1: part of why the distress tolerance has changed so much,
19:02
Speaker 1: because I think kids use the technology to as a
19:06
Speaker 1: coping mechanism. If they're stressed, if they're angry, they go
19:10
Speaker 1: on their phones. If they're sad, they go on their phones.
19:14
Speaker 1: They don't go to look for help in the real
19:17
Speaker 1: world anymore. They're just learning how to cope with their phones.
19:22
Speaker 1: And that's not as effective. It's not real world skills
19:26
Speaker 1: like kids used to have to build.
19:28
Speaker 3: I'll take it, maybe not a step further. But something
19:30
Speaker 3: I think that is related too is that if you've
19:32
Speaker 3: seen I've seen a lot of articles and not so
19:35
Speaker 3: much studies, but just articles come out with where like
19:38
Speaker 3: school attendance is suffering, like kids are contending school a
19:41
Speaker 3: lot less, and I don't think I think one thought
19:46
Speaker 3: on how to fix it is we just need to
19:48
Speaker 3: make school more engaging, and I don't think that's the
19:51
Speaker 3: full picture. I think we need to make school less
19:54
Speaker 3: accessible digitally. I think that's a big piece of it.
19:59
Speaker 3: I've had number of students over the last few years
20:02
Speaker 3: who are just like, yeah, my attendants sucks. I don't
20:04
Speaker 3: go to that class, but I don't need to. I
20:06
Speaker 3: can just check canvas, or I can check online, and
20:08
Speaker 3: I can get the assignments and still turn it in.
20:10
Speaker 3: So I think because of COVID, we made everything as
20:13
Speaker 3: accessible as possible. Now it's still the same amount of accessible,
20:17
Speaker 3: but we want kids to be there in person, and
20:21
Speaker 3: because of that it's accessible. I don't have to go
20:23
Speaker 3: to school. So I think I think we've we've almost
20:26
Speaker 3: gotten too far to one side. We had to for
20:29
Speaker 3: a little bit, but now maybe maybe that can help
20:31
Speaker 3: with like that kind of stressing the importance of in
20:34
Speaker 3: person connection and participation and not so much. Well, I
20:38
Speaker 3: just turned in the worksheets, so I'm good to go.
20:40
Speaker 1: And I have worked with a couple of different families
20:42
Speaker 1: where your kid has social anxiety and they call their
20:47
Speaker 1: parents all the time or they text them in school
20:50
Speaker 1: all the time say I'm so anxious, Please take me
20:52
Speaker 1: out of school. Take me out of school, Take me
20:53
Speaker 1: out of school. Parents eventually do it, and then they're like, Oh,
20:56
Speaker 1: this is just too hard. Let's put them an online
20:58
Speaker 1: school because it's just gonna be easier for them. It's like, yeah,
21:02
Speaker 1: it's easier, but you're missing so much social development if
21:05
Speaker 1: you just homeschool. God, I remember growing up with a
21:09
Speaker 1: lot of homeschool kids and they were always just.
21:11
Speaker 3: A little weird.
21:13
Speaker 1: Sorry to put you on blast homeschool kids, but it's
21:16
Speaker 1: happening a lot. And you're absolutely right that chronic absenteeism
21:20
Speaker 1: at school is definitely on the rise after COVID, and
21:23
Speaker 1: it's changed the way people interact with the school system,
21:27
Speaker 1: and change is completely changing the way kids are getting
21:29
Speaker 1: educated these days.
21:39
Speaker 3: Along in the same lines, COVID right has basically put
21:43
Speaker 3: us in this position. But what kind of changes have
21:45
Speaker 3: you seen, you know, as a psychiatrist specifically because of COVID.
21:50
Speaker 3: We've mentioned like online school, what else have you seen.
21:53
Speaker 1: One thing that's actually a positive is that people are
21:55
Speaker 1: more open and accepting of doing online and teletherapi and telemedicine.
22:02
Speaker 1: So I think that's a good thing because especially working
22:05
Speaker 1: in a place like Wyoming, there is not nearly enough
22:08
Speaker 1: providers and being able to do telehealth make sure that
22:12
Speaker 1: more people can get more help. But COVID just caused
22:16
Speaker 1: a lot of different changes, and because kids were out
22:20
Speaker 1: of school for so long now, a lot of them
22:22
Speaker 1: didn't get the services that they need, even you know,
22:25
Speaker 1: speech PTOT, a lot of those things had to cancel
22:29
Speaker 1: over COVID, and so kids were way behind. I remember
22:32
Speaker 1: listening to one piece on NPR after COVID that just
22:36
Speaker 1: showed that kids lost a lot of ground in school
22:42
Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like they're going to make it up.
22:44
Speaker 1: Like they're just behind because of COVID in terms of academics,
22:49
Speaker 1: in terms of social skills, and now we're just like
22:51
Speaker 1: throwing them out into the world and saying good luck.
22:54
Speaker 3: Good luck. Yeah. Yeah, I think definitely like the rise
22:59
Speaker 3: of online in school for me, like I see a
23:01
Speaker 3: lot more kids. It's probably because I've been out of
23:04
Speaker 3: high school for so long, right up until these last
23:07
Speaker 3: few years, but just the amount of kids that like
23:10
Speaker 3: just go to online school just seems like a huge
23:14
Speaker 3: number to me. Of like, has this always been this way?
23:17
Speaker 3: And it's probably not like I think COVID is a
23:20
Speaker 3: big piece to it. I think the point of telehealth
23:22
Speaker 3: is great. I think telehealth is a good opportunity for people.
23:25
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, having a patient that when I
23:28
Speaker 3: was in a different job, that lived in one area
23:31
Speaker 3: of the state but needed was able to get the
23:36
Speaker 3: correct specialized services that was in a different part, but
23:39
Speaker 3: they were able to get it through telehealth, which I
23:41
Speaker 3: think is great. Here's the one issue, or maybe more
23:44
Speaker 3: than one issue. I think that I've seen, though, as
23:46
Speaker 3: someone that does a lot of care coordination and tries
23:49
Speaker 3: to find available therapists for students and families, is that
23:54
Speaker 3: we've maybe gotten too much telehealth. There's a lot of
23:58
Speaker 3: people that want in person, but it seems like providers
24:01
Speaker 3: that provide in person therapy feel few and far in between.
24:05
Speaker 3: And then along the same lines, and I get there's
24:08
Speaker 3: a there's a certain piece that you know, there's a
24:10
Speaker 3: we got to hold insurance company is accountable and they're
24:12
Speaker 3: kind of putting us in this position. But to the
24:14
Speaker 3: amount of therapists that just take zero insurance and only
24:18
Speaker 3: do private pay, and then their private pay is two
24:21
Speaker 3: hundred dollars an hour, I'm all for people making whatever
24:24
Speaker 3: amount of money to live their life, that's great, But
24:27
Speaker 3: then there's other things that you can't necessarily claim, like
24:30
Speaker 3: claiming that you care about meeting people's needs and social justice,
24:35
Speaker 3: and that might ruffle some feathers, but that's just that's
24:37
Speaker 3: my opinion on it. Of like, if you are going
24:39
Speaker 3: to charge two hundred dollars an hour and only see
24:42
Speaker 3: someone on telehealth, you are either consciously or subconsciously can't
24:47
Speaker 3: slean out a large population of people that can never
24:51
Speaker 3: have your services and that you might not want to
24:54
Speaker 3: be serving, and maybe that's why you're doing it. So
24:57
Speaker 3: I guess along the same lines. I think that's been
24:59
Speaker 3: a hard part for me is the amount of people
25:01
Speaker 3: that are doing telehealth, And I get it, costs are rising.
25:04
Speaker 3: If ultimately that's where we're going, where we have a
25:07
Speaker 3: lot more telehealth providers, we can adjust that, we can
25:10
Speaker 3: get people to be open to telehealth. But then the
25:12
Speaker 3: other piece of it of like I'm only taking cash
25:14
Speaker 3: pay and I'm not taking insurance, and it's really like
25:18
Speaker 3: cutting out a huge number of people that just can't
25:20
Speaker 3: get services because of it.
25:22
Speaker 1: So what do you feel about like mental health your
25:24
Speaker 1: field as a whole right now.
25:27
Speaker 3: Well, besides the shitting on them that I just did,
25:32
Speaker 3: I think I think in general we're in a better
25:36
Speaker 3: spot of like there feels to be subjectively less stigma
25:42
Speaker 3: around mental health. I think people are more open to
25:44
Speaker 3: asking for help than they have been. I think more
25:46
Speaker 3: people are able to live their true, authentic life and
25:50
Speaker 3: like be open about their struggles and things that they're
25:53
Speaker 3: going through. I'm not saying it's enough. I just think
25:56
Speaker 3: there's more. And this is something that I kind of
25:58
Speaker 3: felt on hone, but like back in grad school, I
26:02
Speaker 3: had this feeling of like, I think we're moving in
26:04
Speaker 3: the right direction in terms of like there's gonna be
26:07
Speaker 3: jobs everywhere for us, like there will always be a
26:09
Speaker 3: need for mental health and therapy and therapists and counseling,
26:12
Speaker 3: and we're moving to a good spot. And I think
26:14
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of transpired, which is cool. So I
26:17
Speaker 3: think that part is good. I think other than the
26:20
Speaker 3: other parts that I was negative about, I don't know
26:22
Speaker 3: if I have a whole lot of negatives. I think
26:25
Speaker 3: in general, because people are more open to talking about it,
26:28
Speaker 3: it kind of makes the job easier and it makes
26:30
Speaker 3: it it makes it better as a whole that you
26:32
Speaker 3: just have a lot of people that are open to
26:34
Speaker 3: talking about it. I guess actually, now that I'm saying
26:36
Speaker 3: this out loud, the social mediaization of it has been
26:39
Speaker 3: kind of tough. So yeah, maybe not necessarily overdiagnosing, but
26:43
Speaker 3: just like the talking so openly about like this is
26:46
Speaker 3: what this is, or you have people on TikTok where
26:49
Speaker 3: like I'm an ADHD coach, It's like, what the fuck
26:51
Speaker 3: does that mean? And like you don't know what you're
26:54
Speaker 3: talking about. You get like I'm a relationship coach, and
26:56
Speaker 3: it's like you gotta like it's hard because you don't
26:59
Speaker 3: have enough time to educate people, and like you really
27:02
Speaker 3: need to be careful about what kind of advice and
27:04
Speaker 3: support you're getting from people online, especially that don't have
27:07
Speaker 3: the correct credentials. And if you notice the people who
27:10
Speaker 3: are out here like giving you specific things to do
27:13
Speaker 3: and tips and this and that are not licensed medical
27:16
Speaker 3: providers because that's we're not allowed to do that. So
27:20
Speaker 3: it's I don't know, I guess that would be another
27:21
Speaker 3: piece that I'm saying that's the negative side is the
27:24
Speaker 3: over social social medialization of it. I think that's been
27:28
Speaker 3: pretty negative. What do you think that makes.
27:30
Speaker 1: Sense, But anytime you hear a coach, you just have
27:33
Speaker 1: to think to yourself, they didn't get formal mental health training.
27:37
Speaker 1: Yeah most of the time, And think of like a
27:40
Speaker 1: high school basketball coach, do they need any really formal training.
27:43
Speaker 2: To be a high school basketball coach?
27:45
Speaker 3: Pass a background check. I don't know no shit against
27:49
Speaker 3: basketball coaches, but yeah, I mean that's that's not a terrible.
27:53
Speaker 2: An analogy there.
27:54
Speaker 1: And I know some basketball coaches and they're great, but
27:57
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you don't need to go to college
28:01
Speaker 1: to learn how to coach basketball. You don't need to
28:03
Speaker 1: like get that training.
28:05
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.
28:06
Speaker 1: The social media thing is is tough, and a lot
28:09
Speaker 1: of misinformation on the social media things and a lot
28:12
Speaker 1: of people just trying to sell things, just trying to
28:15
Speaker 1: promote their own brand, and you see the same trends
28:18
Speaker 1: and what all of them are doing and all the
28:20
Speaker 1: things that they say, and sometimes they give you false
28:23
Speaker 1: information because they're telling people what they want to hear,
28:26
Speaker 1: and that can be a really tough thing too.
28:28
Speaker 3: Did you know that if you wake up and look
28:31
Speaker 3: at your phone, it means you were neglected as a child,
28:35
Speaker 3: Like that's not what that like? Psychology wants you to know.
28:39
Speaker 4: No, they don't like it just happens all the time,
28:43
Speaker 4: like people just say things to be trendy and to
28:46
Speaker 4: get be viral on TikTok, and it's like there's no
28:49
Speaker 4: one able to be there to be like, no.
28:51
Speaker 3: This is wrong, Like do not listen to this.
28:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need fact checkers.
28:56
Speaker 1: If there's one thing I learned from watching the debate
28:58
Speaker 1: that's like you need that.
29:00
Speaker 3: I thought you weren't fact checking me.
29:02
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, I thought this wasn't going.
29:04
Speaker 2: To be fact checked.
29:07
Speaker 3: Besides getting rid of like the social media bs, what
29:10
Speaker 3: do you think would make your job easier.
29:12
Speaker 1: If insurance companies weren't such dicks?
29:15
Speaker 2: I would say.
29:16
Speaker 1: I was even talking to a family today who is
29:20
Speaker 1: saying that they get mental health coverage, but their mental
29:25
Speaker 1: or their insurance company hired a third party company to
29:29
Speaker 1: moderate and regulate all.
29:31
Speaker 2: The mental health care coverage.
29:32
Speaker 1: So everything that they do and everything that they get,
29:36
Speaker 1: they have to justify with this third party company who
29:40
Speaker 1: checks and monitors everything. And there are laws in the
29:45
Speaker 1: United States that says it is illegal for insurance companies
29:50
Speaker 1: to treat mental health any differently than physical health, but
29:54
Speaker 1: they do it all the time, there was a really
29:56
Speaker 1: big pro public apiece that came out about this that
29:59
Speaker 1: insurance com companies are just blatantly breaking the law, the
30:03
Speaker 1: mental health parity laws in the United States, and in
30:06
Speaker 1: the US government's doing absolutely nothing about it. And it's
30:10
Speaker 1: just that is what it makes my job hard because
30:15
Speaker 1: I prescribed lexapro on someone who it's FDA approved for
30:19
Speaker 1: the diagnosis that I had, and we still had to
30:21
Speaker 1: fill out a ton of prior off paperwork just to
30:25
Speaker 1: get the insurance company to pay for an affordable, proven
30:29
Speaker 1: medication because they know people won't jump through those hoops
30:33
Speaker 1: and that they won't have to eventually pay for it.
30:35
Speaker 1: And what the insurance companies are doing is illegal, it's immoral,
30:39
Speaker 1: and that's the one thing I really really wish would change.
30:43
Speaker 3: Wow, I don't work with insurance a ton, and I
30:46
Speaker 3: think I can see this other side as like the
30:48
Speaker 3: part where like, okay, I can get it why people
30:51
Speaker 3: want to move to cash be so I'd probably double
30:54
Speaker 3: down on that as far as like baking the job,
30:57
Speaker 3: because I got to find providers for families all the time.
31:00
Speaker 3: So insurance has a better job, then maybe more people
31:03
Speaker 3: take insurance and the more people take insurance, it's easier
31:06
Speaker 3: to find providers. I think one thing that I would
31:09
Speaker 3: think of is if not all parents, but just if
31:13
Speaker 3: some parents understood that just because your child or teen
31:17
Speaker 3: is struggling or having a hard time, it doesn't mean
31:20
Speaker 3: you're a shitty parent. Yeah, because I think a lot
31:23
Speaker 3: of the time when you when I've interacted with parents
31:26
Speaker 3: in all three of my jobs, you call them or
31:28
Speaker 3: you talk with them, and you have this conversation of like, oh,
31:30
Speaker 3: you know, so and so is having a really hard time,
31:32
Speaker 3: they take that as like you're telling me I'm a
31:34
Speaker 3: shit parent. I never said that. I'm just telling you
31:38
Speaker 3: that this is where we're at. And if we can
31:39
Speaker 3: get that past that initial like taking it personally, I
31:42
Speaker 3: think a lot more parents would be hearing a lot
31:46
Speaker 3: better information and be a lot more capable of listening
31:50
Speaker 3: to then make changes the best help out their kid.
31:53
Speaker 1: And teen mental health could happen to anyone, it does not,
31:55
Speaker 1: It's not a reflection of your parenting.
31:58
Speaker 3: Yeah. Laurel on Instagram what are the top three things
32:03
Speaker 3: to do to minimize burnout? I was trying to think, like,
32:06
Speaker 3: what are my three things the minimize burnout?
32:10
Speaker 1: I would say, stay connected with your family, your community.
32:15
Speaker 2: The people that you work with.
32:17
Speaker 1: Take time off as my number two and number three,
32:23
Speaker 1: find coping mechanisms that work for you that you enjoy,
32:27
Speaker 1: whether it's writing, whether it's exercise, whether it's music. Something
32:30
Speaker 1: that you feel like is a release, is an outlet
32:33
Speaker 1: that helps you blow off some steam.
32:36
Speaker 2: How about you? What are your top three?
32:37
Speaker 3: I think along the same lines like self care for sure,
32:41
Speaker 3: things that make you happy and make you feel better.
32:43
Speaker 3: Not keeping things all to yourself, like not just struggling
32:46
Speaker 3: through it with yourself, because I think if you I
32:48
Speaker 3: think I've struggled with this before, Like if you just
32:50
Speaker 3: keep something to yourself, you're not saying anything. Then you
32:53
Speaker 3: want start to feel like a sense of resentment towards
32:55
Speaker 3: people around you, like why aren't you asking? Or like
32:57
Speaker 3: why don't you care that I'm struggling? But it's like
32:59
Speaker 3: they don't know that you're struggling. I really know what
33:01
Speaker 3: we know. So that's number two and then number three, Hmmm,
33:06
Speaker 3: know when it's time if I want to come up
33:08
Speaker 3: with something different, know when it's time to move on.
33:12
Speaker 3: And I think of that in terms of like a job,
33:15
Speaker 3: like knowing when it's time, like Okay, maybe I can.
33:18
Speaker 3: I should consider something different, like this is I've given
33:21
Speaker 3: it a chance. I don't want to quit on anything,
33:23
Speaker 3: and I've probably reached the the end to where this
33:28
Speaker 3: is just it's not going to get any better, so
33:29
Speaker 3: I should try something different.
33:31
Speaker 1: This is coming from the guy who's been a Raiders
33:33
Speaker 1: fan for twenty four years.
33:37
Speaker 3: God cut the show, cut the cameras.
33:43
Speaker 2: It's time to move on.
33:46
Speaker 3: This is different, This one's different.
33:49
Speaker 1: I think it shows that you've got a lot of loyalty,
33:52
Speaker 1: You've got a lot.
33:52
Speaker 2: Of passion about your great perseverance.
33:56
Speaker 3: Everything we started with the show with.
33:58
Speaker 2: Hell come around. Do you bring your work home with you?
34:04
Speaker 2: Does it get to you?
34:06
Speaker 3: Good question. I tell this story a lot to like
34:10
Speaker 3: students and like just like on when I knew it
34:13
Speaker 3: was time to like figure something else out when dealing
34:16
Speaker 3: with work stress. It was Thanksgiving break twenty sixteen. I
34:22
Speaker 3: was an intern. I was working. I was also working
34:25
Speaker 3: at the time, but I was interning with the Juvenile Department,
34:28
Speaker 3: and I was just having a hard time because my
34:30
Speaker 3: clients were just not doing a great job. They were struggling.
34:33
Speaker 3: And I used to like measure my self worth or
34:37
Speaker 3: my worth as a counselor in training off of how
34:40
Speaker 3: well they were doing well. One of my clients the
34:44
Speaker 3: week before, sometime before Thanksgiving, got in trouble again and
34:48
Speaker 3: they ended up, you know, facing a pretty severe consequence.
34:52
Speaker 3: And I remember actually going to Dana's house after and
34:55
Speaker 3: having like all of us were there for like a
34:58
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving together and just having the worst attitude about it,
35:04
Speaker 3: not trying to but struggling so hard. I'm with my friends,
35:08
Speaker 3: I'm having a good time, but I'm not having a
35:10
Speaker 3: good time because my client's not doing well. They're struggling,
35:14
Speaker 3: and I'm just thinking about how much I could have
35:16
Speaker 3: done something better. Looking back on it, I couldn't have
35:18
Speaker 3: been shit better. I did the best I could. Ultimately,
35:21
Speaker 3: they have their own decisions to make. But that's the
35:25
Speaker 3: story I tell of, like sitting there Thanksgiving with my friends,
35:30
Speaker 3: not having the best time because I'm letting this impact
35:33
Speaker 3: me outside of the office.
35:34
Speaker 1: It's hard not to, especially because you do care about
35:38
Speaker 1: your patients and you do want to see them do well.
35:41
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's really hard, and I have to tell
35:44
Speaker 1: myself all the time, like you can't save everyone, that
35:48
Speaker 1: you can listen, you can help them, you can lead
35:51
Speaker 1: them to water, but you cannot make them drink and
35:54
Speaker 1: that's okay, Like you do your best, but if you
35:58
Speaker 1: have the goal of saving every you're gonna drown in
36:01
Speaker 1: the water with them. What's your favorite part about working
36:05
Speaker 1: with young people? Because we've talked a lot about how
36:07
Speaker 1: much we love this young generation. There's a lot of
36:09
Speaker 1: great things about Jen Alpha gen Z. Yeah, what do
36:12
Speaker 1: you think, what are your favorite parts?
36:14
Speaker 3: I think, to go back to something you just said,
36:17
Speaker 3: like we care, Like this is our technically on a
36:22
Speaker 3: like really basic level, we get paid to care, Like
36:26
Speaker 3: that's kind of how it goes. But the thing is that,
36:30
Speaker 3: like we we genuinely care about the work that we
36:32
Speaker 3: do and the patients and the clients and the kids
36:34
Speaker 3: we work with, and if we didn't, we would choose
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Speaker 3: something else to do, we would find a totally different job.
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Speaker 3: So I think that's one thing I wanted to like
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Speaker 3: reiterate with what you said of like this is this
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Speaker 3: is what we like to do, Like we love doing this,
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Speaker 3: Like this is the work that we enjoy. I think
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Speaker 3: in terms of favorite part of working with young people,
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Speaker 3: it's just the getting to hopefully be one of the
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Speaker 3: adults that believes in them that lets them know like
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Speaker 3: things can be okay even after really shitty times, and
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Speaker 3: to just kind of be like that cheerleader for them
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Speaker 3: and to let them know like I believe in you,
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Speaker 3: I think you can do it, Like you've got this,
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Speaker 3: I'm proud of you. Being able to tell kids like
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Speaker 3: I'm proud of you, I think makes a huge impact
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Speaker 3: on them, and I enjoy being able to have that opportunity.
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Speaker 3: I think I'm in a unique position of just getting
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Speaker 3: to work in a high school. So I see these
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Speaker 3: kids on more levels than just in my office. I
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Speaker 3: see them at sporting events, performing arts, all of these
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Speaker 3: different things, club events, whatever it is. So I think
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Speaker 3: getting to do that and to get to be just
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Speaker 3: a positive impact in their life and like a positive adult,
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Speaker 3: I think is really special.
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Speaker 2: That's cool.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the fact that I learned so much
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Speaker 1: from young people.
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Speaker 2: Skibity toilet.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, that's one of the best. Sure.
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Speaker 1: I heard a patient say that something with sigma the
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Speaker 1: other day, those like like the Greek letter, Like, how
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Speaker 1: does that make any sense?
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Speaker 2: So she had to explain that to me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know right, They're like, uh, it's just something
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Speaker 1: we say, Yeah, it's it's fun being able to to
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Speaker 1: learn and compare it to what we were doing and
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Speaker 1: all the new lingo lingo and slang that's totally normal
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Speaker 1: to us. That they're making for themselves, and they're and
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Speaker 1: they're making a whole new generation of what they want
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Speaker 1: this world to be. And it's cool to be able
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Speaker 1: to guide them and show them and listen to them
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Speaker 1: and and be that support. Like you said, I love
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Speaker 1: being a cheerleader for kids. But it's fun seeing what
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Speaker 1: art they're into, what music they're into, what movies they're into.
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Speaker 1: And you know, with the internet this, these young generations
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Speaker 1: are so eclectic. You never know what what they're gonna hear,
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Speaker 1: or what you're gonna hear, what they're gonna say. They're
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Speaker 1: into these days, Like you know, they're wearing Rolling Stone
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Speaker 1: shirts and Beatles hats and like all this cool stuff
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Speaker 1: that you know, I was into when I was a kid,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, kids still like this kind of
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Speaker 1: stuff too. But so it's just fun being with young
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Speaker 1: people who are constantly infusing new ideas into your life.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think of it as just a privilege to
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Speaker 3: get to, like you said, to learn from them, be
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Speaker 3: a part of their life and get to share that
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Speaker 3: space with them, because I know for kids and teens
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Speaker 3: it could be really hard for them to find adults
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Speaker 3: that they trust and feel comfortable enough sharing. And I
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Speaker 3: think to anytime a student comes in and like, I
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Speaker 3: just have to tell you this, or you know, I
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Speaker 3: I thought of needing to tell you this, Like I
39:32
Speaker 3: just had to come in and tell you like that
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Speaker 3: kind of stuff is important to me and impactful.
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Speaker 1: And nothing warms my heart more of like more than
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Speaker 1: someone who has been struggling lately.
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Speaker 2: And then they come in.
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Speaker 1: And they say, I'm doing better now, I'm going to therapy,
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Speaker 1: I'm doing something I love, and things are finally turning around,
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Speaker 1: and it's just like sometimes I'll even just like pump
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Speaker 1: my fist in the office and be like yees, so
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Speaker 1: let's go. It's just such a good feeling to see
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Speaker 1: a young person who has been through a lot do well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm no stranger to the quick quiet flex in
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Speaker 3: my office after you find out that one of your
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Speaker 3: kids did something well or they're doing better.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well thanks for talking with me. Yeah that was
40:23
Speaker 1: a good convo. We do a lot of structured episodes
40:27
Speaker 1: with lots of teaching. It was nice to just have
40:29
Speaker 1: something a little bit more conversational and pick each other's
40:31
Speaker 1: brains a little more.
40:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have some exciting stuff coming up. We have
40:35
Speaker 3: a really exciting interview. We'll save the guest as a secret,
40:39
Speaker 3: but I'm excited for that one. Thank you all, we've
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