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Live True Crime Conversation + Q&A with Special Guest Elizabeth Jones from Hillbilly Crime · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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  Guys, it has been far too long, way too long since we have just
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  had a sit back, relax and hang out with friends kind of live
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  stream. I don't even have a case that I
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  want to talk about today. I just have a person I want to
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  talk with today. That person is Elizabeth Jones
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  from Hillbilly Crime. We are going to we're, we're
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  crumpling up the script. We're crumpling up the agenda
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  that I have. We're not going to be doing 3
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  questions. We're not going to be doing
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  headlines. We're not going to be question
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  hobby take two. We're not going to be doing
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  question of the day. We're just going to hang out
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  with Elizabeth and talk about true crime.
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  If you're into that. Then we're going to have fun.
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  Stick with me. This video contains mature
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  themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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  Viewer discretion is advised. Hello there, my friend.
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  Welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
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  Gavin Fish. This is going to be just a
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  conversation and we're going to be taking a look at your
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  comments and your questions. Nothing is off limits today.
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  This is like an extended three questions.
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  We can just talk about anything. When I did this with Cheryl and
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  Dale, we just called it Bestie Babble today.
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  We're calling it Friday Fun Day and we're going to welcome back
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  to the channel. Wait a minute, wait a minute.
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  She's going to take a seat. Hold on.
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  She's going to take a seat. Get everything ready to go.
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  And there she is. Elizabeth Jones, how are you?
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  Hi Gavin. It has been.
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  I am so happy to be here tonight.
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  Thank you. It has been a long time, too
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  long. Yeah, man.
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  I think I I should look back. I don't know that you have seen
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  Gavin. That's not super fat.
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  Gavin, I don't think you've been on since I decided to take my
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  weight seriously. Well, I have talked to you a
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  couple times behind the scenes, but I don't think I've been on
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  the show, no. Yeah, well, it's been.
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  Too great. Thank you.
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  Thank you. That wasn't me fishing for a
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  compliment, but I will take it. I, I was, I was at our local
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  courthouse today. There was a portrait unveiling
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  in our county when the president judge retires, that judge has a
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  portrait done and then comes back for the portrait unveiling.
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  It's kind of cool because we've had president judges since 18 O
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  5 in our county, right. So, you know, I think the county
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  was established in 1799, something like that, But but we
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  were part of a different judicial district until eighteen
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  O 5 S Anywho, I went to that and nobody recognized me until I
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  pulled out my camera and started taking pictures like oh, Gavin,
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  haven't seen you in a while. Pretty funny.
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  What have you been up to? Working, working, working,
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  working. That's all I do.
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  I sit right here at my little research desk.
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  Yeah. And that's all I do all the
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  time. You still live streaming pretty
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  much every day. Yeah, yeah.
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  You know, that's one of the things that every time I talk to
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  you behind the scenes, actually, if you think about it, I'm
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  always telling you about how I'm on to something else and on to
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  something else and just got my hands in so many different
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  things. Trying to adapt and keep up with
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  this true crime content creation or content creator business.
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  You know, the media business that we're into.
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  It's just really. YouTube changed things up like a
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  few months ago where this is a little inside baseball.
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  I don't know if anybody who's watching the cares, but I care.
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  So I'll talk about it with you. But man, my, my viewership
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  crashed. Like crashed 30% is where I'm at
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  now. What?
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  Everybody's did. It's and I don't, I don't know
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  it's not keep. It's not.
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  So did my revenue. Don't take it personal, mine did
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  too. That's why I've been working.
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  You know, I went from being so happy, you know, I was finally
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  doing it, and I know you were too.
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  That was right at the time that you quit your job.
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  So this was affecting, you know, people didn't see what was going
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  on behind the scenes. I think a lot of people kind of
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  thought that that stuff was happening due to other reasons.
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  And it wasn't just the I think the landscape of social media
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  has changed before our very eyes.
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  And, you know, we're right in the middle of it.
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  And when you're only on one platform, it's not gonna work.
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  And so I kinda had to see the bigger picture and that vision
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  of multi platform to where each one, cause each one has a
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  different audience, each one has a completely different workflow
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  that you have to do. I mean, I am working every job
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  of a newsroom all by myself. So what platforms are you doing
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  right now? Well, I've got 3 monetized pages
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  on Facebook that I'm trying my best to get them working, but so
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  those, and we got the Spotify which I, I'm not making anything
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  off of it yet, but I'm building that foundation.
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  The Patreon, YouTube and Apple Podcasts.
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  I I'm not making anything off that either yet, but I'm getting
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  the foundation built and I think that there's several more that
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  we as forgive me and please don't be offended, but but we as
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  old people, we don't understand and we weren't part of the
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  Snapchat generation. That was true.
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  We weren't part of the TikTok generation.
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  Actually, we, we were older than that.
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  And so, you know, that's been kind of some people were, were
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  doing really well on TikTok. I had made it.
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  I mean, I had just gotten to the point to where I was getting
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  ready to get monetized and some hater, you know, we, we won't
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  say no names, but got upset with me and called and called and
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  called and mass reported my thing and it was banned.
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  All that work that I'd put into my TikTok right before it became
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  a a money stream for me, it got banned.
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  But I was glad that that happened because it showed me
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  and it happened before it was monetized.
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  So that showed me how volatile it was.
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  And you cannot put all your eggs in that one basket.
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  You know, if we're going to do this and we're actually going to
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  make a living doing it, you know, we're not just a what's
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  that? Yeah, an amateur hobbyist or
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  whatever. Yeah.
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  Or one hit wonder. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  You know, when I set out to do this, this, I didn't do this by
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  accident. You know, I researched it and
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  planned it for two years before I started.
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  My goal was to make this long term and make it successful.
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  And, you know, I don't know you. That's what you want to do too
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  with yours. Yeah, I, yeah, I mean, I didn't,
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  I didn't full on quit my day job, but I cut it way, way back.
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  I'm just writing features now. So as opposed to like the daily
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  grind of reporting what's going on.
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  It used to be that in my publication, you would see six
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  or seven articles with my byline on it.
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  And these days it's like 2-3 a week, you know, it's but so I'm
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  grateful that and, and I talked with my employers like this is,
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  this is really what it is that I want to do that they've been
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  extremely supportive and, and plus I love that job.
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  It's such a such a cool job that yeah, when, when whatever
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  happened to the YouTube algorithm happened, it it hurt,
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  it hurt pretty darn bad. You know the other thing though,
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  I made some critical errors. Like I made some actual errors
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  that kind of, well, they they coincidentally happened at the
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  same time. Me too, man, Me too.
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  I lost all my metadata and I, I had the whole time I was going
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  in before my shows and manually putting it in and I came across
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  that monetize button and I was like, Oh, well, I can just turn
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  that on and I don't have to go in before every show anymore.
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  Well, whenever I did that and I didn't go in, it was
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  automatically, it took me out of the category I had done built,
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  put me into entertainment. I didn't have any tags, I didn't
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  have any playlist set or anything.
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  So I lost everything. And it just so happened to
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  coincidentally come in time with that same exact thing and like
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  going crazy, all of it happened at one time.
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  Yeah, that's what I did was like, hey, I want to improve my
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  thumbnail. So so I did.
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  I like I full on improved it, but then nobody knew.
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  Like they didn't recognize when I was they didn't recognize me.
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  Yep. And it it would as soon as I
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  switched it back, it was like, oh man, I can breathe again.
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  I can buy groceries again. This is, this is good.
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  You know, it's it, it's it, it's a, it's a fickle business.
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  I never got mine back but oh really I have to rebuild it all.
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  I went back and set all of the shows that, you know, had lost
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  their metadata, but I did that on the back end.
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  So, you know, it didn't really help.
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  And so now all of that success that we had had in that first
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  year, year and a half is gone. Like it's all gone.
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  So now resetting all of that metadata and stuff, it's like
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  I'm a completely different or a completely new channel all over
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  again. Only we don't have that news
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  cycle, you know, of the sheriff and the judge case.
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  So what cases are you working on these days?
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  Well, you know, we are always following the Steins and Mullins
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  case and any of the updates with that, but the Doug Harless case
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  out of London, KY. So that has been a huge case.
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  And I'm kind of making that my signature case now as an
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  investigator and as an independent investigator, you
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  know, just me, myself going through it.
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  The KSP released the entire case file.
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  Tell me what the case is what? What is the case?
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  It's the weed eater. The stolen weed eater.
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  Where? I know nothing about this.
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  Like, give me the pitch. All right, so man, cops go in
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  two nights before Christmas to a home and they kick the door in
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  with a search warrant. They holler in search warrant,
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  kick the door in, and they shoot the homeowner and kill him.
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  And it happens to be the wrong address.
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  It wasn't even the address that they had got the search warrant
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  for. No, they went.
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  To the wrong house. Went to the wrong house and
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  there's no way, like there's like 10 of them.
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  They were a gang of city police officers who left the city
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  jurisdiction and went out into the county where it's Sheriff's
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  Department job to even be doing that in the 1st place.
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  They didn't have any depart Sheriff's Department deputies
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  with them. The Sheriff's Department was not
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  even aware that they had done this and it was all over a
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  stolen weed weed eater report that they had gotten earlier
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  that day. But the property where the weed
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  eater was allegedly stolen from belong to the judge executive of
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  that county. And so it has been just a huge
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  thing when. The weed eater, the stolen item
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  belong to the judge executive. Well the property where it was
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  stolen from was the judge executive.
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  The the lawn equipment that they're saying was gone actually
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  belonged to his nephew who he had allowed store some items on
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  his property, like in an outbuilding or something.
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  It's a mess. Like, no way.
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  The police, their little gang of guys were like, you don't mess
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  with us and we're going to go out into the county and we're
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  going to and then they go to the wrong house.
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  What was the homeowner like? Holy crap, I'm getting invaded.
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  And then like drew a gun or something like that, like
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  self-defense. It was midnight.
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  He was in bed asleep. He was 60 some years old.
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  According to his daughter, he had just purchased a pistol not
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  long before this happened. He was in bed asleep and the
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  police roll up and they walk up to his trailer.
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  He's the double wide trailer. Now, they didn't know this, I
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  don't think, but the way that his trailer was set up, his
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  bedroom was on the other side. So as they come up to the
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  driveway to his house, they beat on the side of the house and
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  you've got a security camera on the neighbor's house, so you see
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  every bit of it. They're beat on the door, the
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  wall a couple times, police search warrant, open the door,
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  something like that. You can barely hear it.
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  He says it may be two or three times and you can hear the
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  homeowner like what you know, you can hear something you can't
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  understand exactly what he says, but you can hear that he
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  responds to them. But like I said, it's midnight.
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  He ain't even got his teeth in. His teeth are in a cup and he's
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  bed in his bathroom, you know, and he's got, he's pissed.
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  He had gotten his pistol out of the drawer of his bed, but you
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  know his night stand. And as he walked through the
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  house, they kicked the door in the door.
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  I don't know. They say the door hits him, but
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  one of the other witnesses say that they said that he was
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  coming as they kicked the door in.
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  He was coming through the house looking like he was trying to
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  chamber a round. Well, if you were coming through
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  your house and you see your door get kicked in, you know, and
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  you've got a gun in your hand, wouldn't you be, you know, like
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  trying to And they shot him 5 * 3 times in the head and the neck
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  then. And he had nothing to do with
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  it. They went to the wrong house.
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  Nothing went to the wrong house and the prosecutor presents this
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  to a grand jury and they come back with a no bill.
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  No bill against whom? Against the police.
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  No, the prosecutor wanted to. Well, did.
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  Well, did the prosecutor want they sent a?
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  Spiritual prosecutor, I want, I would love to be able to know
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  what that grand jury presentation looked like.
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  What did that grand jury hear? Yeah, unfortunately, you won't
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  ever get that. It's very unlikely.
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  The KSP put out everything they had for transparency, so they
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  released the whole file is 22.23 gigabytes.
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  I downloaded it all baby and I've been going through it.
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  You know how I told you I was doing with the the power the
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  electric company documents and how I we're not going to say
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  what I'm doing, but you know how I told you what my secret sauce
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  is? So I've been doing that with
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  these and it's just, it's consuming me honestly, because
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  there's so much and there's so much incompetence and there's
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  just so much like smoking. There's so many smoking guns
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  here. So, you know, I'm going to do my
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  very best to reveal what we can through that case file as a real
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  investigator. The The grand jury comes back
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  with without a bill, no indictment.
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  Yep, two of them I think even got promotions.
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  Yeah, that's one of those things where it should be disqualifying
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  for the rest of your career whoever made that choice, right?
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  I mean, let me ask you this was that homeowner a known, you
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  know, known to the justice system in that county?
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  Never had a criminal record. He was a maintenance man for the
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  low for a local apartment complex.
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  He had just been divorced a few years before that.
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  And but through the comments, you know, cause I've been
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  following this case for a while, ever since it happened.
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  And so through several of the comments, people are saying that
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  he was dating a policeman's ex-wife, girlfriend, ex
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  relation, lover or whatever. I haven't confirmed that or
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  tracked that down yet, but it seems like, you know, the way
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  this went down and the level of just, I mean, it had the address
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  right next to the front door. You know, as they walk up the
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  driveway, the motion light comes on and it says 511, you know,
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  right on the side of the house. There's.
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  What was the number there? 489.
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  Oh, couple houses down. Several houses down, probably.
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  It was a trailer. It was kind of like a a small
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  little community, a rental community, you know, some his
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  daughter kept calling it a trailer park, but it wasn't
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  necessarily set up like a there was some single wide trailers.
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  There were some houses, there were some double wides, you
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  know, but all their mailboxes then were on the side of the
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  road, you know, like in a little lung and but.
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  You know, he had two vehicles in the driveway after the shooting,
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  after they killed him, they run the tech.
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  They decide to run the tags in the driveway that come back to
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  Doug Harless, who had nothing to do with any of this.
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  His name was not even in any of this.
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  Like this was screw a royal screw up.
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  And when you've got ten officers and then it in every single one
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  of their interviews at the end, they ask them, could you have
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  done anything differently? And they everyone say no,
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  that's. I have an idea.
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  You could have gone to the right house.
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  You could have done that differently.
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  How about going earlier in the day?
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  Yeah, and like they do those nighttime raids on purpose, but
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  when they do those, they should be.
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  I mean, I, I think that there's a good reason to do nighttime
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  raids. It's safer for the police
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  typically, right? Let me ask you.
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  But, but at the same time, you got to have, well, and you got
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  to have checks on it, right? There's got to be some kind of
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  procedure. I mean, there was a, there was a
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  famous case, I can't remember the name of the family.
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  I think it was in Virginia where fortunately nobody died.
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  Fortunately, nobody died. It was one of those things where
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  the police went to the wrong house middle of the night,
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  busted down the door, you know, put this family into custody and
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  it was the wrong house, right? And they did all this damage to
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  the house. But ultimately, they're like,
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  well, you know, immunity. So I'm so sorry that you have to
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  pay thousands of dollars to repair your home and your
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  children are, you know, wet the wet the bed and and have to
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  sleep in your room for the next three years.
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  So sorry about that. Adios right.
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  And that and there was AI mean that went all the way to the
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  Supreme Court and the Supreme Court came down on the side of
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  the family like no, immunity does not apply here.
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  You guys hosed up right. And gosh, I, I wonder if that's,
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  there's probably nothing that can take that case to the
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  federal court. I think this is happening a lot.
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  In I think. So in our country, because you
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  don't have the leadership, you know, that's going to step up
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  and say, you know, who's going to discipline all of those
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  people? You know, somebody has to.
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  You would think, you know, you would think if I was going to
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  run for an elected office, I would not run for anything less
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  than governor. And you know what I would do if
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  I ran for governor, my entire campaign would be I would run on
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  cleaning house. I would clean it from the top to
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  the bottom. There's a case that we talked
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  about on the channel yesterday that has a it.
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  I mean, it's a different case altogether, but it's got a
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  similar vein running through it. And it's the case of Doctor
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  Ebony Parker. Doctor Parker was on trial for
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  child for CA, for 8 counts of CA in the shooting of Abby's
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  Werner. She was a first grade teacher
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  that got shot by her six year old student and Doctor Parker
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  did nothing right. But the judge kicked it
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  yesterday. And I actually think on the law
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  she she kicked it correctly. But in, in looking at everything
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  that Doctor Parker did and everything that the school
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  district did, everything that all the administrators did,
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  every decision that they made the entire time was just a cover
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  your butt decision, everything. And, and I think that that's
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  like in, in these kinds of things where, hey, look, I'm
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  willing to extend a little grace.
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  Accidents happen, accidents happen, right?
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  And accidents can happen where people die and, and it sucks,
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  but there still has to be accountability for those things.
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  You can't just circle the wagons and, and I'm not even saying
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  like burn anybody at the stake. I'm saying like the, the people
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  that were affected should be remunerated for millions of
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  dollars because, because they should they, they are deserving
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  of that. But what always happens here is
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  everybody circles the wagons. Everybody covers their own hind
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  end. And justice is never, ever, not
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  even anything close to justice has ever done.
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  That's exactly right that. Kills me and you know the, the
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  part that also kills me because I was just at the courthouse and
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  you know, we, we live in a county where in coming up into
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  COVID, both of our county judges, the president judge and,
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  and another judge that had been on the bench forever.
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  They both retired at the same time, one for medical reasons
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  and one because it was time for him to retire.
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  So we were without a judge and a former DA who had who is beloved
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  and had been retired for like 7 years was asked, will you come
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  out of retirement for two years and and be the judge?
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  And she did and she was appointed by the governor and
• 25:51
  then she was made the president judge and it just kept going and
• 25:55
  going and going till she finally was like guys, I gotta retire
• 26:00
  and and finally did. So anyway, I'm at the courthouse
• 26:04
  and I'm watching this unveiling and I'm sitting in the room
• 26:06
  where I'm like, I know so many of these lawyers.
• 26:09
  I know so many of the prosecutors.
• 26:11
  She was ADA again for like 24 years in our county.
• 26:15
  She's like all of these people are conscientious, community
• 26:23
  minded, loving people. Of course they're people.
• 26:25
  So they will also be complicated and some, some of them will act
• 26:29
  like jerks sometimes, but for the most part, everybody is, you
• 26:36
  know, working on behalf of the of their office that they're all
• 26:40
  pretty darn good people. So those people got to be pissed
• 26:46
  off when something like this happens, right?
• 26:50
  What is a Police Department going out into the middle of the
• 26:52
  county in the middle of the night doing anyway?
• 26:58
  Well, the sheriff has come out and he, I think there were
• 27:04
  several other elected officials who signed on to it too, but
• 27:10
  they had requested the FBI come in and go over this case.
• 27:17
  And so I think the FBI, I think the feds are actually
• 27:21
  investigating it. I think that, you know, I, what
• 27:26
  have I been saying ever since you've known me, organized crime
• 27:31
  is everywhere in Appalachia, especially around here.
• 27:37
  You know, this case didn't happen in Letcher County, but it
• 27:40
  didn't happen very far from here, just a couple hours from
• 27:43
  here. And it's very similar in how the
• 27:50
  the local governments are run. The elections are popularity
• 27:56
  contests. These people that are elected
• 28:00
  are sheriff's are elected. So that means no, they don't
• 28:06
  have to have one bit of education in the criminal
• 28:09
  justice system. All they have to do is just, I
• 28:14
  don't know, I think they go to a a weekend training or something
• 28:19
  after they get elected. Some of them might have some law
• 28:23
  enforcement experience from before.
• 28:26
  But you know, again, we're looking at untrained people that
• 28:31
  were trained on the job by somebody else that was an
• 28:35
  untrained person. Yeah, well, I mean, we look at
• 28:38
  Mickey Stein's. Yeah, science is a perfect
• 28:42
  example of that, right? Never went to any Academy at any
• 28:46
  time. And you know what, correct me if
• 28:49
  I'm wrong, but Mickey was like, kind of, he was a beloved member
• 28:52
  of the community. He was.
• 28:54
  He was well thought of, right. Oh.
• 28:57
  Yeah, You couldn't have gotten nobody to have said anything bad
• 29:01
  about him except for a few people who who did have things
• 29:07
  against him. You know, it wasn't like they
• 29:10
  just didn't like him 'cause he was a bad guy.
• 29:13
  They didn't like him because he had done something to them.
• 29:16
  So they had a reason, you know, that they didn't like him.
• 29:21
  But yeah, most people just thought he was.
• 29:24
  But you know what I think it was?
• 29:26
  It was because he was because, you know, he, he was uneducated
• 29:33
  and so he didn't speak to people like he was above them, you
• 29:39
  know, like a lot. I can't tell you every lawyer
• 29:41
  I've ever known except for my friend Jenny.
• 29:46
  She was the only one that never talked to down to me when we had
• 29:51
  a conversation. Every lawyer that I've ever had
• 29:55
  any contact with except well, I can't say that these ones that
• 29:58
  I've had recent contact with, they're pretty cool too.
• 30:03
  But most of them I've had really bad experiences.
• 30:07
  They just talk down to you like you're too stupid to see what's
• 30:12
  going on. But then again, it's also a
• 30:14
  little bit of that used car salesman stuff in there since
• 30:19
  I've realized exactly. You know, I've also, because
• 30:23
  I've had a friend who was an attorney recently, I also
• 30:30
  watched what she just went through.
• 30:32
  You know, she has went through a very, very difficult personal
• 30:36
  time, professional time. She, I don't know if you know,
• 30:42
  courts took her off my case. They banned her from practicing
• 30:45
  law in the east in the Eastern District of Kentucky federal
• 30:50
  court. So she can't even practice law.
• 30:53
  And they took her off my case because she, you know, she had
• 30:58
  cancer and she was, she went through chemo 4 times and she
• 31:05
  had had a double mastectomy. She really went through a really
• 31:09
  hard personal time. Yeah.
• 31:11
  She was dying. You know, she was fighting for
• 31:14
  her life. Don't be a woman with breast
• 31:18
  cancer in Letcher County, Kentucky.
• 31:21
  I can tell you because they sure nobody ever did anything to help
• 31:26
  her. I mean, not if they prayed for,
• 31:29
  you know, I, I want to have a hard time even believing that.
• 31:34
  I mean, nobody did no walk for, you know, nobody put a post out,
• 31:39
  you know, I mean, you know, you'd expect if you went through
• 31:44
  something like that, you'd expect your coworkers.
• 31:48
  Yeah, your colleagues. Your colleagues exactly to at
• 31:52
  least acknowledge what you were going through.
• 31:55
  And I don't think anybody ever did that.
• 31:58
  But so she survives, she fights back, you know, and and she
• 32:03
  still wasn't even completely there whenever I met her was
• 32:07
  right after I started my show. And after she had done it, she
• 32:15
  lost all her hair, she lost her teeth.
• 32:18
  It all kind of came back when she got got done with the chemo.
• 32:21
  And then she read she somebody ran her off the road and she
• 32:26
  broke her hip, broke three ribs, broke her hand.
• 32:30
  And she was trying to recover at her mother's house and they were
• 32:33
  out in the middle of nowhere. So they didn't have any kind of
• 32:37
  phone service or anything except for the house phone.
• 32:40
  But she's still in an attorney. She's still a licensed attorney.
• 32:45
  And she missed People's Court dates.
• 32:48
  She nobody could get a hold of her.
• 32:50
  The court couldn't even get a hold of her.
• 32:53
  And, you know, a lot of people's cases were harmed because of
• 33:02
  things that, you know, were going on that she was going on
• 33:05
  or, you know, deal with whatever by missing those court cases,
• 33:09
  they're missing those court dates.
• 33:11
  Sorry. And so I got a real, you know,
• 33:17
  personal, up close look at, you know, the damage.
• 33:22
  And I've never been very a big fan of attorney discretion and
• 33:32
  just the freedom and stuff, all the the way that attorneys can
• 33:38
  absolutely destroy people's lives.
• 33:42
  Hey, I was like that on I was this is on a different case.
• 33:47
  It's something that I'm covering.
• 33:49
  It's out in the state of Utah and it's a civil matter that I'm
• 33:54
  that I'm covering and I, I reached out to both both sides
• 34:02
  of the civil case for comment. Like a, like a reporter.
• 34:06
  I'm going, I'm writing about this case, right.
• 34:10
  So I contacted the one side because back in December there
• 34:15
  was a, there was a hearing and at the hearing, the plaintiffs
• 34:25
  counsel agreed that he would write up the, the order that the
• 34:28
  judge gave verbally. So like in January, early
• 34:34
  January, I got the audio recording, I listened to it.
• 34:38
  I so like by January 9th, I know that there should be an order
• 34:44
  coming on this case, right? So in February, I think it was
• 34:49
  the 20th, I call the plaintiffs council and said I haven't seen
• 34:53
  anything, any order. And he goes, you know, in the
• 34:57
  state of Utah, we're supposed to go back and forth with the
• 34:59
  defendant with the defense and and write it up so that we both
• 35:03
  agree with the order. And that usually takes four to
• 35:07
  six weeks. I was like, why the the verbal
• 35:11
  order is the order. You don't have to agree any
• 35:14
  neither side needs. You just need the judge just
• 35:17
  told you to write it up. No, that's not the way it works
• 35:20
  out here. Gavin, We're going to we got to
• 35:22
  we got to go back and forth with the defense.
• 35:24
  OK, All right. So like my BS sniffer is, is
• 35:29
  detecting, you know, a foul odor and but I'm I'm going to go, OK,
• 35:34
  I'll go, I'll go along with that.
• 35:36
  Call the defense. I get a no comment.
• 35:38
  OK, fair enough. So this week, 2 days ago, I, I
• 35:46
  go in, there's no order. So I called to see if I could
• 35:51
  talk to plaintiff's counsel. They made an appointment for the
• 35:55
  next day. They, they, they wouldn't, you
• 35:57
  know, let me talk to him then. That's fine.
• 35:59
  So the next day I called back. I talked to him.
• 36:01
  Yeah. Yeah, I think that we're, I
• 36:03
  think my colleague was working on that just a couple days ago.
• 36:06
  Again, just going back forth with defense.
• 36:08
  We that should be filed here in the next few days.
• 36:11
  And all it is, is an order. Like it's two sentences.
• 36:16
  The judge told you what the order is, right?
• 36:19
  That's not the way it works out here, Gavin.
• 36:21
  OK, So I call, I call defense counsel and they're like, we
• 36:27
  have been asking for this for months.
• 36:30
  He has not talked to us. He's not answered any questions,
• 36:33
  everything. So like you talk about the used
• 36:36
  car salesman, right? The the attorneys that act like
• 36:40
  used car salesman, that guy is just a terrible attorney and a
• 36:45
  terrible person, right? He's just I.
• 36:51
  I wonder what law school he went to.
• 36:55
  That way, Gavin, they are around here.
• 36:59
  That hasn't been my experience. Really.
• 37:03
  Yeah. Well, they're normal people,
• 37:06
  typically. I think the more that you get
• 37:09
  out of these mountains is what I said the other night on my show.
• 37:13
  When you get like in Lexington and Louisville and you get more
• 37:18
  into the cities, you have more of a professional standard,
• 37:25
  right that that every attorney is supposed to live by.
• 37:31
  But when you get and so the the exception to the rule is the
• 37:38
  out, you know the outlier. But here it's just the opposite.
• 37:43
  It's just the opposite. If you come in here and you have
• 37:47
  any kind of ethics, morals, or, you know, gumption about you,
• 37:52
  you ain't gonna stay very long 'cause they're gonna make it so
• 37:56
  uncomfortable for you in some way, shape or form.
• 38:00
  They run you out of here. Yeah, that's, I mean it.
• 38:05
  It becomes like organized crime, right?
• 38:08
  Hey guys, real quick, just want to, oh, maybe my thing just
• 38:12
  hasn't refreshed. If you have questions, go ahead
• 38:18
  and and put them in the live chat, put AGF in there so that I
• 38:21
  can see them. But I'd love to if you have
• 38:25
  questions for for me or for Elizabeth, love to love to see
• 38:29
  him. Cabling says look at Nancy
• 38:31
  Guthrie with Nanos, a complete fraud with his experience.
• 38:36
  Oh, that's a great point. Have you been watching the Nancy
• 38:40
  Guthrie thing? OK, all right, look, and I
• 38:45
  totally get it. I, I, I respect the devil Audia
• 38:49
  for focusing on Appalachia, right?
• 38:52
  Focusing on where you are, your hillbilly crime.
• 38:54
  That's that's awesome. But the Nancy Guthrie case, man,
• 38:59
  the Nancy Guthrie case has been a roller coaster of emotions for
• 39:04
  me. Not only.
• 39:04
  Well, first of all, an 84 year old woman was full on kidnapped
• 39:09
  from her home. Well, I started to cover it at
• 39:13
  the beginning and I covered it for about two or three weeks,
• 39:17
  yeah. But then I saw that it's.
• 39:19
  It started snowballing into this like I didn't know what the heck
• 39:24
  to. Believe it kind of becomes a
• 39:26
  circus right it just. So I just stepped away from.
• 39:29
  It and I and I totally respect that but one of the things that
• 39:32
  came out that this is talking this is along the same lines of
• 39:36
  what you said this is an elected sheriff.
• 39:40
  His name is Chris Nanos and he kind like he started out.
• 39:46
  When he started out, I was like, I like this guy.
• 39:49
  He's kind of a no nonsense kind of an Andy Griffith kind of guy.
• 39:52
  He's just going to tell you how he feels and like, OK, so this
• 39:56
  is going to be good for us and it's going to be good for the
• 39:58
  case. But it became apparent very
• 40:01
  quickly, this guy is out of his depth, way out of his depth,
• 40:06
  right? And he, he had law enforcement
• 40:10
  experience, but on his resume that he published, that he went,
• 40:16
  you know, that he filed. He had like serious problems
• 40:22
  with discipline in his past when he was when he was a police
• 40:25
  officer, he had serious disciplinary problems.
• 40:29
  And yeah, I know, right? And so I like it is funny it
• 40:37
  like if you don't laugh, you would cry about it, right?
• 40:41
  But ultimately we got the freaking Marx Brothers doing an
• 40:46
  investigation into the kidnapping of an 84 year old
• 40:51
  heart patient, right? We can't have that.
• 40:54
  We need, we need people that know how to do the job.
• 40:57
  Man, that cabling. That is a great comment.
• 41:00
  That's exactly that's exactly right.
• 41:03
  Oh, dude, Sheriff Nanos. Well, I think that's how I think
• 41:07
  that's happening in every small town across America.
• 41:12
  Gavin Guthrie is a perfect example of a serious crime that
• 41:19
  deserved a serious crime scene analysis, a serious crime scene
• 41:25
  collection. But when you don't have the
• 41:28
  personnel, when you don't have the employees.
• 41:32
  I mean, one of the employees I heard that was on that case
• 41:37
  ended up getting arrested. He was a deputy or something
• 41:40
  getting arrested for R wording or?
• 41:44
  Or something. I don't know that he was on the
• 41:46
  case, but he was a member of that.
• 41:47
  He was. It was a sheriff's deputy.
• 41:50
  Yeah, he was a member of that department.
• 41:52
  Yeah. You know, And it's just
• 41:55
  incompetence. And it's the level of training.
• 41:58
  None of these people are hiring competent people.
• 42:02
  And somebody said this to me the other day.
• 42:05
  Well, it was a while back, but it really stuck with me.
• 42:08
  You know, I was kind of poor, poor, pitiful me.
• 42:10
  You know, they would never hire me.
• 42:12
  And they were like, Elizabeth. Think about it.
• 42:17
  Vicky Steins didn't have no education or training himself.
• 42:21
  What would he have looked like? Acknowledging yours and hiring
• 42:26
  you? If he would have hired you, you
• 42:29
  would have came in and showed him up bigger than you know.
• 42:32
  And you, you have a bachelor's and a master's degree in
• 42:36
  criminal justice, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 42:39
  And I've been able to thought those things and you know.
• 42:44
  Like. That.
• 42:45
  The, the, the thing about that particular case with Guthrie is
• 42:51
  that, like, I, I don't personally believe that just
• 42:56
  because you're a federal agent, you are a better investigator or
• 42:59
  more experienced than a state agent or even a community agent.
• 43:03
  I mean, one of the best investigators I've ever met was
• 43:07
  a Pennsylvania State Police officer in Little Podunk County,
• 43:12
  PA Yeah, he was really good. But but he was podunk.
• 43:17
  And so. So just because you're federal
• 43:21
  doesn't mean you're better. However, if you're federal, you
• 43:24
  have the resources. You you just have more
• 43:27
  resources. And so why the FBI on a case
• 43:30
  like that where it's kidnapping, it is federal.
• 43:33
  It will always be federal. There will be, there will be
• 43:37
  Interstate commerce, there will be communications.
• 43:39
  They probably are crossing state lines.
• 43:42
  It's almost certainly from moment one federal get the feds
• 43:48
  in now, right? And what's that?
• 43:54
  What did you see on that first couple of days right after she
• 43:59
  was kidnapped? You saw the the FBI agents
• 44:04
  standing behind Sheriff Podunk. He was up at the podium and you
• 44:11
  saw, I saw watched the eyes of those feds as he, Podunk was
• 44:17
  speaking and. They were just like, dude.
• 44:21
  Yeah, but exactly. And so the point being to your
• 44:25
  point, what you just said right there, why were they not?
• 44:29
  It was they had jurisdiction. This was kidnapping.
• 44:33
  They didn't his, they didn't need him to say will you please
• 44:38
  help me? What I saw was a bunch of men
• 44:42
  standing around not wanting to step on each others toes.
• 44:47
  Nobody really knew who who was gonna be in charge.
• 44:50
  You know, you didn't have nobody that just took charge and said,
• 44:53
  OK, look, this is what we need to do and delegate that
• 44:57
  authority, delegate those responsibilities.
• 45:00
  You didn't have anybody doing that, or at least nobody that
• 45:03
  was competent, that knew what they was doing.
• 45:07
  Yeah, yeah. The the the other thing about
• 45:14
  the Guthrie case is that it became a a circus.
• 45:16
  It it became a YouTube circus. Outside, it sure did.
• 45:24
  And that was one of those things where like, listen, if I had if
• 45:29
  I had the financial wherewithal to go, I will go out to where
• 45:34
  this is happening and I will talk to people and I will try to
• 45:39
  get information. I will responsibly report it
• 45:42
  kind of Bryan Enton style, right?
• 45:44
  I would totally do that. What I would not do is like
• 45:48
  harass neighbors. And I saw some live streams
• 45:52
  going out on that just boggled my mind where a live streamer on
• 45:58
  YouTube had his phone pointed at Nancy Guthrie's house on a
• 46:02
  tripod. Literally nothing is happening.
• 46:06
  He's not saying a word occasionally, like a, a media
• 46:11
  person will walk through or somebody walking their dog will
• 46:13
  walk through and 30,000 people are watching it.
• 46:17
  It's like what, what value are you bringing?
• 46:21
  But but people were consuming that crap.
• 46:25
  Yep, it it. It's kind of frustrating right
• 46:27
  where you're like, I want to be, I want to provide some some good
• 46:31
  content. I want to provide education.
• 46:34
  I want to I want to learn stuff myself too.
• 46:38
  And and that dill hole is getting 30,000 people watch.
• 46:43
  He's printing money just standing outside of a desert
• 46:46
  home, pointing a camera at it. That hurt that case.
• 46:51
  All of the people that that set up out in front of that house,
• 46:57
  they contaminated the crime scene.
• 47:00
  They should have those off. Those police should have roped
• 47:03
  that off for blocks and blocks. They should have.
• 47:08
  I mean, I don't even know what the radius they should have, you
• 47:13
  know, marked that crime scene. But they should have made it
• 47:15
  much bigger than what they did. And nobody should have been able
• 47:19
  to get through there. They should have been able to
• 47:22
  look for tire prints or tire tracks.
• 47:24
  They should have been able to look for footprints.
• 47:26
  They should have been able to track that man from that house.
• 47:32
  And if they had done their job right from the beginning, I
• 47:38
  think they probably would have found her.
• 47:40
  But they didn't. They screwed it up so bad.
• 47:44
  But you know, I, I thought as as soon as I saw Anton on the front
• 47:50
  porch video on the blood splatter on the I, I thought,
• 47:55
  what the hell is going on? Why are them cops letting them
• 48:02
  do that? That's part of the case.
• 48:04
  That's part of the crime scene. They're trampling all through
• 48:09
  the blood and. And as much as it's like, hey,
• 48:12
  we've got content to talk about, we shouldn't know that there's
• 48:16
  blood on the front porch. We shouldn't know that That's
• 48:23
  yeah, yeah. It's crazy.
• 48:27
  Even if they found her now, if they found some, that whole
• 48:31
  investigation shot, they ain't nobody going to be convicted of
• 48:35
  that, I don't think. Well, yeah, I mean, it's one of
• 48:41
  those things where we don't know what they have until they tell
• 48:43
  us what they have. But I.
• 48:46
  But so much time has passed, right.
• 48:49
  That's like. What do you think?
• 48:53
  What do I think? Yeah, As far as who done it and
• 48:58
  why, I think that she was likely targeted because she was known
• 49:03
  to be Savannah Guthrie's mom and and they probably thought that
• 49:08
  they could get millions of dollars.
• 49:10
  I think that's probably the case.
• 49:12
  And you know, there was a there's a bunch of bunch of
• 49:16
  sideshows, bunch of impersonators, I think.
• 49:22
  But yeah, the guy cased the place.
• 49:23
  He was there multiple nights. You think he accidentally killed
• 49:28
  her and then it? Yeah, I think she's dead.
• 49:32
  And I'm like, I don't want to think that.
• 49:34
  I just think that, yeah, that's that's probably the deal.
• 49:38
  She's in a shallow grave in the desert.
• 49:41
  And I bring this up all the time.
• 49:42
  I've got a I've got a buddy who's a who's a judge.
• 49:45
  And she tells me all the time when she when she's driving
• 49:49
  through the woods, she wonders how many bodies are in those
• 49:51
  woods. And when she's driving through
• 49:52
  the desert, she wonders how many bodies are out in that desert.
• 49:56
  When she's in the field, she wonders how many bodies are in
• 49:58
  the field. It's just, you know, we, we only
• 50:04
  know about the crimes that stupid people commit.
• 50:07
  That's true. They're still really smart
• 50:09
  people. That is so, so true.
• 50:15
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's another.
• 50:17
  There's a What do you think about Murdoch?
• 50:22
  Is conviction being thrown out? That oh, OK, It it's it's one
• 50:29
  where I have mixed feelings because it absolutely should
• 50:33
  have been thrown out. But Becky Hill shouldn't have
• 50:38
  been doing all that crap, right? If she just would've again, an
• 50:42
  elected official, an elected official, she was the court
• 50:47
  clerk, right? So elected official of
• 50:50
  Podunksville, South Carolina is full on talking about, you know,
• 50:57
  influencing the jury. Yeah, of course, of course,
• 51:03
  kicked that case, right. But dude, the slap on the wrist
• 51:09
  that she got was she should have gotten 20 years, as far as I'm
• 51:14
  concerned, 20 years. He killed his wife and son.
• 51:21
  Yeah. Obviously, and he'll get a new
• 51:26
  trial. I watched every bit of that
• 51:29
  trial, that first one, I was glued to it.
• 51:33
  I mean, it was it just had me and I learned so much watching
• 51:39
  that trial. I learned so much about how
• 51:42
  they, the, the different kinds of things that they can get from
• 51:46
  our cell phones, like whenever he threw it out the window and,
• 51:52
  and all of the data that they can get from your car from the
• 51:55
  motor or whatever it is. They, they had him slowing down
• 52:01
  at that one point where he threw the phone out the window, her
• 52:05
  phone, his wife's phone as he was leaving the, the crime
• 52:09
  scene. And they even had his car
• 52:11
  speeding up. You know, he hit the gas as soon
• 52:14
  as he threw the phone out and you had the phone data and the
• 52:19
  car data, you know, to to confirm and go side by side so
• 52:24
  you could see every step that he took.
• 52:27
  And it just really showed me. Elizabeth out here in Crawford
• 52:34
  County, Pennsylvania, a couple years ago, a young Amish woman
• 52:37
  who is pregnant with her third child was murdered by having her
• 52:43
  throat, well, basically she was nearly decapitated.
• 52:47
  He, he sliced all the way to the bone and killed her and her
• 52:51
  unborn child. OK, there's a guy named Sean
• 52:54
  Cranston and the victim, her name was Rebecca Byler.
• 52:59
  She was like a 26 year old Amish mom of two and she was several
• 53:05
  months along like she was well along in her pregnancy.
• 53:10
  OK, so I go to the I go to the preliminary hearing and the
• 53:16
  amount of digital data, and this is in the middle of
• 53:20
  Spartansburg, Pennsylvania. It is in the middle of nowhere.
• 53:24
  It is there are more horses and buggies than cars, right?
• 53:29
  Like it is it that entire place is designed to be off the grid
• 53:36
  and the amount of digital data that they had.
• 53:40
  Like when he bought his car, he financed it and so the finance
• 53:46
  company put GPS tracking even though it was an old car.
• 53:48
  So there was the GPS tracking. There was a hunt club in the
• 53:53
  middle of nowheresville, right? But that hunt club had cameras
• 53:56
  and it was always pointed where he travelled and stuff like his
• 54:01
  cell phone data. He tried turning it off and I
• 54:05
  mean it was crazy. And then like, so I reported on
• 54:10
  it as the local reporter Crawford County's near us.
• 54:14
  And I went out there that, that day I got photography of, of the
• 54:17
  crime scene tape and you know, all the, the whole thing.
• 54:22
  So the Amish people started reaching out to me for
• 54:25
  information and like, you know, just good salt to the earth
• 54:30
  folks. They just, they just want to
• 54:32
  know what's happening with all the English.
• 54:34
  They're disconnected, right? They, that's what they call us.
• 54:37
  We are English, they are Amish, even though I hey, I'm Welsh
• 54:42
  Scottish, thank you very much. But it doesn't.
• 54:48
  Matter, Yeah. But anyway, so I'm talking, I'm
• 54:52
  talking with, with these Amish folks and a lot of it is just
• 54:55
  rumor. I heard this, I heard that.
• 54:57
  And then I go out to Sparty and I'm in like a like a hardware
• 55:01
  store and I'm talking with this Amish guy and he goes, you know,
• 55:04
  there were a bunch of robberies that were happening, like
• 55:08
  burglaries. Like we would be out to work and
• 55:10
  then we'd come back and our money would be stolen.
• 55:13
  Like, how many are we talking about?
• 55:16
  And he's like, oh, I don't know, 20, something like that.
• 55:21
  I was able to find a dozen in, in the police reporting that
• 55:24
  were unsolved, that all were tight.
• 55:28
  Like once I reported these 12 looked like Cranston did them
• 55:34
  and, and I like interviewed his lawyer who said no comment.
• 55:37
  I interviewed the DA who said no comment.
• 55:40
  You know, all that stuff. But I published here are 12
• 55:44
  burglaries that look exactly like Rebecca Byler's burglary.
• 55:48
  And of course his family was like, it's so irresponsible for
• 55:51
  you to to report this. And I can't believe, you know,
• 55:55
  that sort of thing. They were all angry with me and
• 55:58
  my publication. He ended up pleading guilty to
• 56:02
  not only the murder, but to burglaries.
• 56:05
  All those burglaries. Yeah, not every single one that
• 56:08
  I published, but yeah, they were able because of the digital
• 56:11
  data. Once they were like, what are
• 56:12
  you doing? I don't know if they if they
• 56:15
  were like 3 steps ahead of me or three steps behind me, but but
• 56:20
  he got, he pleaded guilty to those burglaries.
• 56:24
  I feel safe in assume, in speculating that they were three
• 56:29
  steps behind you because that's the way that it is here.
• 56:33
  You know, they, they just don't even know, you know, we know
• 56:41
  because we're trained, we're educated in this stuff, you
• 56:47
  know, even just by the, the nature of what we are drawn to,
• 56:56
  we educate ourselves, let alone the academic education and the
• 57:02
  knowledge and the stuff that we go out and, and dig up.
• 57:06
  So I put in a public records request for our county's grant
• 57:11
  projects and all of them flood funding that came in, all those
• 57:17
  millions of dollars. I put it in several months ago
• 57:20
  and they told me it would be ready in two months.
• 57:23
  And so I requested every grant project from 2020 to the present
• 57:30
  and I got it back a few weeks ago.
• 57:33
  And so I've been working on that too, taking going through it,
• 57:38
  doing my special sauce, you know, to it and going through,
• 57:43
  and this is very interesting. So one thing that I've done is I
• 57:49
  opened up a project on Google Earth and then I took every bit
• 57:54
  of the data that came in from each project, the invoices, the
• 58:02
  latitude and longitude, the scope of the work, everything.
• 58:07
  I've taken it all and put it all into each project and I've met
• 58:12
  and that's what I'm, I've only got like one that I'm working on
• 58:16
  right now because it it'll take me years probably to do it, but
• 58:20
  to do every one of them. But that way we can go in and
• 58:26
  actually follow the money because and.
• 58:30
  See what actually happened, see like what was built and stuff
• 58:33
  like that. Yeah, well, they're saying that
• 58:36
  this is damaged. OK, So the biggest one that I've
• 58:39
  that I've found I went through the 1st 35 everywhere it says
• 58:46
  $4995 invoice, a $49.95 invoice, $49.95 invoice until you get to
• 58:55
  the payment column payout was $39,916 for that project for
• 59:07
  that. So that's a big.
• 59:12
  Question. Big difference.
• 59:15
  Let's see, Cindy says. Cindy says Elizabeth was the
• 59:19
  only person that loved statistics in college.
• 59:23
  Yeah. That's funny.
• 59:26
  That's funny. My mommy taught it.
• 59:30
  Your mom taught it. She teaches statistics, yes.
• 59:34
  No. She's been the math professor at
• 59:38
  our local college for the last 40 years.
• 59:41
  I didn't know that sweet Tater has.
• 59:44
  Yeah. Oh man, I didn't know that.
• 59:47
  I I guess I don't watch enough. I'm, I'm too busy producing my
• 59:50
  own stuff. I don't get to watch everybody
• 59:52
  else's stuff. I'm the same way.
• 59:57
  That's funny. I I was talking I was talking
• 1:00:00
  with a friend today. So I've been travelling back to
• 1:00:05
  California a lot lately. My my my, my dad has been
• 1:00:10
  fighting cancer for like 6 years now.
• 1:00:12
  And any opportunity to go back is, is, is a good thing.
• 1:00:16
  And anyway, so we're getting ready to go back and I'm setting
• 1:00:20
  up this thing for friends to get together while while I'm in
• 1:00:23
  town. That that's, that's why I was
• 1:00:26
  talking to my friend. But as we were talking about,
• 1:00:29
  hey, why don't we go shoot pool? We'll, we'll go and shoot pool.
• 1:00:32
  Everybody get together, you know, bring your spouse or your
• 1:00:34
  kids or whatever, we'll go, we'll go shoot pool.
• 1:00:37
  We start talking about pool and, and I was like, yeah, I take my
• 1:00:40
  boys to shoot pool and they did. The poor guys just just don't
• 1:00:44
  understand how many hours I spent in a pool hall in the 90s.
• 1:00:48
  They will never catch up. And, and my friend goes, you
• 1:00:52
  know, my son, my son came home trying to teach me about math.
• 1:00:56
  He's got a postgraduate degree in statistics, right?
• 1:00:59
  That's what he's got. And he's like, someday you will
• 1:01:03
  best me in math. But today is not that day.
• 1:01:11
  I'm still waiting for my boys to catch up to me on the on the
• 1:01:14
  pool table. I I I don't know.
• 1:01:16
  I don't know when it'll happen. It'll happen eventually.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah. Pretty.
• 1:01:21
  One thing about I've noticed, you know, the world's just
• 1:01:25
  changed and the kids today, they are not, they'll never, they
• 1:01:32
  will never get the world that we grew up in, whether you were
• 1:01:36
  wealthy or poor, still the world before the Internet was a
• 1:01:42
  completely different world, you know, you had, but the world
• 1:01:46
  before bones. And I try not to be a curmudgeon
• 1:01:49
  about it, but I do think it was probably better without the
• 1:01:52
  Internet. I think we were better off
• 1:01:53
  without the Internet. I I say as I am live streaming
• 1:01:58
  on the Internet. Well, everything's just changed,
• 1:02:03
  you know, And it's, it's changing so fast and it's not
• 1:02:07
  going to stop. It's going to keep evolving, you
• 1:02:11
  know, and if so, we don't keep up right now.
• 1:02:14
  It's going to take off and leave us behind.
• 1:02:17
  You're going to have, we will just have been a little blip in
• 1:02:22
  the moment of time, you know, the hillbilly crime, the Gavin
• 1:02:27
  Fish show, YouTube show, you know, but if we don't try and
• 1:02:32
  adapt and, and go along with it while it's going, I, I feel like
• 1:02:38
  it's going to leave us behind. And, and because man, oh man,
• 1:02:42
  you see some of the stuff that they're coming out with now.
• 1:02:45
  I watched something today where they put out.
• 1:02:49
  It was the stupidest joke you ever heard in your life.
• 1:02:52
  It was like 3 little sentences didn't even make sense.
• 1:02:57
  But they had put a like a cartoon but with it.
• 1:03:04
  And I mean they had 150,000 views on it and it was just a, a
• 1:03:10
  three sentence joke that didn't even make sense.
• 1:03:14
  So you know, and these long form educational things, I don't know
• 1:03:20
  about your audience, but most of my audience are older females.
• 1:03:27
  Yeah, Hang. On.
• 1:03:29
  Yeah, no worries. Now that's the way it is.
• 1:03:32
  My audience is 75% / 45 and 90% female.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah, that's my audience. Too.
• 1:03:45
  That is. My audience.
• 1:03:47
  I just wondered if old ladies just really like bearded fat
• 1:03:51
  guys. Maybe that maybe that was it,
• 1:03:53
  right? But I don't know.
• 1:03:56
  Well, I have some men too, but it's usually but it's it's all
• 1:04:01
  that the don't don't anybody get upset with me using that word.
• 1:04:06
  I say older but. Yeah, I say it lovingly.
• 1:04:10
  Sure. Yeah, 45 and older, and I
• 1:04:14
  didn't. Most of my audience are like 55
• 1:04:17
  and older. Yeah, they're older than me.
• 1:04:20
  And I think that that's the demographic of people who are
• 1:04:26
  actually listening and paying attention.
• 1:04:29
  Beyond just the 62nd or the even like the 10 second stupid joke.
• 1:04:35
  Yeah. No, there is something about the
• 1:04:37
  true crime audience and this isn't me, just like lobbying to
• 1:04:41
  the people who are watching us. But if you ever go to a like a
• 1:04:45
  crime con and I, I have not gone to any crime con in the US.
• 1:04:51
  I've only gone to crime con UK. But I think it, it's reflective
• 1:04:58
  of everywhere in the world. Like the, the amount of, I guess
• 1:05:06
  the quality of the person is high, the quality of the person,
• 1:05:10
  you would kind of expect them to be kind of like horror porn
• 1:05:16
  addicts kind of thing. That, that's kind of what I
• 1:05:18
  thought in the beginning. But no, they're like
• 1:05:20
  conscientious people that want to help solve crimes, right.
• 1:05:25
  It's it's not just people that like to listen to horrible,
• 1:05:29
  scary books. Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  The. Comic Con is what you're it kind
• 1:05:35
  of Comic Con. Yeah, well, and I didn't grow up
• 1:05:39
  being a true crime person. I used to make fun of my little
• 1:05:44
  sister who, you know, would watch court TV and stuff like
• 1:05:48
  that and cops stuff like what are you doing?
• 1:05:51
  America's Most Wanted, What are you doing?
• 1:05:53
  That is the most I was about to say.
• 1:05:56
  That's the most mind numbing stupid stuff you can watch.
• 1:06:00
  Of course I was watching Animaniacs at the same time so
• 1:06:03
  that you know, but I didn't grow up doing this.
• 1:06:06
  I was kind of roped into true crime by my buddy Rick when we
• 1:06:10
  decided to start YouTube and then was like, this is awesome.
• 1:06:12
  I, I love it here. So I didn't know what to expect.
• 1:06:17
  I go to a crime con. No, these are people that want
• 1:06:20
  to know how to how to solve crimes.
• 1:06:23
  And many of them do. You know, they're pretty
• 1:06:27
  amazing. Yeah, I didn't grow up with it
• 1:06:30
  either. You know, I just threw a, a Roku
• 1:06:35
  TV up on my wall about five years ago and did away with
• 1:06:39
  cable and I watched YouTube app and I'm just more drawn to the
• 1:06:45
  true crime because that's my, my hobby, that's my education.
• 1:06:50
  That's just my thing. And so I, I didn't even know
• 1:06:53
  that they existed. I knew that like I could watch
• 1:06:57
  stuff on cable, like the ID discovery or discovery ID that
• 1:07:03
  Channel loved that. And me and my mommy always
• 1:07:06
  watched Law and Order SVU. That was our show.
• 1:07:14
  My. Wife loves that one.
• 1:07:16
  Yeah. And so I would just watch true
• 1:07:19
  crime stuff and I was like, man, I can do what they're doing.
• 1:07:26
  I can do that. And I know a lot more about it
• 1:07:29
  than most of these people I'm watching.
• 1:07:31
  And so I just started watching and but I was like I said, I was
• 1:07:35
  doing my insurance at the time and I was working 70 hours a
• 1:07:38
  week. And so I just had it in the back
• 1:07:40
  of my mind and was just paying attention while I was working
• 1:07:44
  until the the Lord opened the door one day and said here.
• 1:07:49
  When Mickey Stein's gunned down Kevin Mullen's in his office.
• 1:07:53
  Now remember, you might not remember I started my show one
• 1:07:58
  week before he shot you. Tell me that.
• 1:08:04
  What is happening with that case, by the way?
• 1:08:06
  I saw that, of course, the judge is staying on.
• 1:08:09
  And let's see, Mickey Stein's was ordered to a hearing, right?
• 1:08:15
  Yeah, it's coming up. I'm glad that you said that.
• 1:08:19
  That's coming up this week maybe or next week and.
• 1:08:24
  Soon. They didn't do it and they
• 1:08:27
  didn't order it for Ledger County, which is what they had
• 1:08:30
  been doing it. They ordered it for Leslie
• 1:08:32
  County, where he's being housed. He's in the Leslie County Jail,
• 1:08:36
  right? So what do you think that's
• 1:08:38
  about? I hadn't caught it.
• 1:08:42
  Might just be that there it, it might just be remote.
• 1:08:46
  Do you think they're going to transfer him to court?
• 1:08:49
  Well, he's he's, that's where he's at.
• 1:08:51
  So they're having court in Leslie County.
• 1:08:55
  Oh. You see what I mean?
• 1:08:57
  Instead of them him from the Leslie County Jail to the Ledger
• 1:09:01
  County Court, they're having court in Leslie County Court
• 1:09:05
  where he's being housed. Maybe it's just easier that way.
• 1:09:10
  I don't know. Because the judge isn't in
• 1:09:13
  Letcher or Leslie County. What?
• 1:09:14
  What county is he in? He's all the way on the other
• 1:09:17
  side of the state. He's in Warren County.
• 1:09:20
  Huh. Yeah, the, the great hiatus, the
• 1:09:25
  great news hiatus that happens in every case, right?
• 1:09:27
  We're, we're like for a month, you can focus, focus, focus,
• 1:09:30
  focus on the case if you're lucky.
• 1:09:33
  And then, and then you wait for like 3 years before you might be
• 1:09:37
  able to work on it again, you know?
• 1:09:39
  And that's what's happening with Mickey.
• 1:09:42
  Yes, with Mickey Stein's, I think they're going to end up
• 1:09:47
  offering him a plea. Oh, I'm sure.
• 1:09:49
  Yeah, he shot Kevin Mullins on camera.
• 1:09:56
  It's just a matter of was he legally responsible for it?
• 1:09:59
  And if he wasn't, then he's going to spend the rest of his
• 1:10:02
  days in a in a hospital. And if he was, then he spends
• 1:10:09
  the rest of his days in prison. So pick your poison.
• 1:10:14
  Can't imagine he's getting out. No way.
• 1:10:18
  I I don't think any jury would would acquit him.
• 1:10:22
  I don't think so either. But you know, there's been
• 1:10:24
  stranger things that have happened.
• 1:10:26
  Could you imagine if we went to trial and you actually got a
• 1:10:31
  jury that turned him? Loose dude, if we go to trial,
• 1:10:36
  I'm going down there to let your county, but they better freaking
• 1:10:39
  have metal detectors at that courthouse.
• 1:10:42
  They do now. I guess it wouldn't it, it
• 1:10:49
  wouldn't have helped Kevin Mullins.
• 1:10:50
  He was the sheriff that done it. But let's see, let's see.
• 1:10:56
  Cooler by the Lakes says. At the risk of sounding like a
• 1:10:59
  curmudgeon and speaking as an old lady, I'm glad there's
• 1:11:02
  dedicated content geared to our demographic, people with an
• 1:11:06
  attention span. That's right, that's right.
• 1:11:10
  And Robin is one of my moderator says old ladies have more time
• 1:11:15
  then while we are raising our kids and husband raising our
• 1:11:18
  kids. And you know what I am I would
• 1:11:21
  be offended by that comment but I understand it.
• 1:11:25
  Finally our family is potty trained and achieved
• 1:11:27
  independence free time. Is your husband potty trained
• 1:11:31
  though? Is he?
• 1:11:33
  I promise you he's out peeing on a fence right now.
• 1:11:38
  Sweet taters. Barely.
• 1:11:42
  She's barely potty trained. It's funny.
• 1:11:50
  Yeah. Mickey Stein's that that's a
• 1:11:51
  case that I'm always I'm always looking for.
• 1:11:54
  Hey, have you been watching the whole Luigi Mangioni stuff at
• 1:11:57
  all? No.
• 1:11:59
  OK. First off, while recognizing
• 1:12:04
  that the healthcare system is broken in our country and
• 1:12:09
  sympathizing with with people with real problems working with
• 1:12:13
  the healthcare industry, you can't go out assassinating
• 1:12:17
  folks. And I don't understand this,
• 1:12:21
  Elizabeth, Maybe, maybe you with your education, you can
• 1:12:24
  enlighten me on this one. But there are sick people that
• 1:12:28
  for some reason are supporters of a man that would go out and
• 1:12:33
  assassinate another man. It feels like it's the same kind
• 1:12:38
  of thing when people fall in love with serial killers.
• 1:12:40
  They send them like love letters and stuff like that, right?
• 1:12:44
  It's just like a weird psychosis.
• 1:12:46
  Mickey Steins Look how many have said Free Mickey.
• 1:12:52
  Is is that a thing everybody wants or, well, not everybody?
• 1:12:56
  85%, 85% comments on my stuff say free Mickey and I bet you
• 1:13:04
  that's quote and you could probably that's probably right
• 1:13:09
  accurate. No joke.
• 1:13:14
  So maybe a maybe a jury would acquit him, maybe going back to
• 1:13:19
  your favorite person, Ned Pillarsdorf, and his idea of
• 1:13:24
  this is a time to kill what, maybe that defense would work.
• 1:13:29
  But he did. But they're wanting to make this
• 1:13:35
  in a time to kill the the now. This ain't happening in the
• 1:13:40
  courts. His attorney ain't doing it.
• 1:13:42
  This is happening out here in the court of public opinion.
• 1:13:46
  They've got him in this time to kill defense, but he's never
• 1:13:52
  even said, you know, like this is not over the daughter.
• 1:13:57
  The judge did not do nothing to his daughter.
• 1:14:01
  He's the one that's done this to his daughter.
• 1:14:04
  If anybody has hurt his daughter, it's been him.
• 1:14:08
  It's him, you know, it's Speaking of her.
• 1:14:12
  I have not checked on her in quite a while.
• 1:14:16
  Have you looked at her TikTok? I I never even looked at it back
• 1:14:23
  then until somebody sent it to me or I had about 100 people
• 1:14:27
  send it to me. I'm like, I work so much on my
• 1:14:31
  own stuff. I don't hardly.
• 1:14:32
  My TV has not been turned on in probably two months.
• 1:14:38
  And that's like my TV stayed on 24 hours a day for the last 10
• 1:14:44
  years. That's funny, let me let me see
• 1:14:48
  if I can see if she's been posting anything.
• 1:14:53
  I haven't looked in forever. Well, I'll give you a little
• 1:14:58
  inside scoop on her. OK.
• 1:15:01
  Somebody I know went to the doctor not long ago and she's
• 1:15:05
  working at a local medical clinic as like a host or
• 1:15:12
  something. She may take like whenever you
• 1:15:14
  go in and you check in for your appointment, whenever she works
• 1:15:18
  the desk or something. She's working, you know, she's
• 1:15:21
  posting, she's posting on, on Tiktok like every couple of
• 1:15:26
  days. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:29
  Well, that said that she looked really, really frail and she
• 1:15:33
  looked really pale and that she just didn't look very well.
• 1:15:38
  But I'm sorry to hear that because she's a victim in this,
• 1:15:42
  right? Yes, she is.
• 1:15:45
  But you know, that's her daddy. She's going to, she's going to
• 1:15:48
  defend him. I wonder what I would do in a
• 1:15:53
  situation like that. Like I feel like I would have.
• 1:16:00
  I think I would have the mental fortitude to be able to say my
• 1:16:04
  dad's a murderer and I still love him, but he's got to face
• 1:16:09
  the consequences of what he did. I feel like I would do that for
• 1:16:13
  my children like. Like, well, she can't really say
• 1:16:17
  anything at all because, you know, her dad still got a trial.
• 1:16:24
  Yeah. You know, she's really kind of
• 1:16:27
  in a place where she can't really she can't say anything
• 1:16:29
  about that other than she's come out and said the judge did
• 1:16:35
  nothing to me. You know, that is not true.
• 1:16:39
  She has come out and said that. But you know, it would be really
• 1:16:43
  hard to be in this situation. But you know, they there's kind
• 1:16:50
  of like this big thing focus on her.
• 1:16:56
  And I think that that's kind of gotten focus off the judge and
• 1:17:03
  the judge's family. They're the victims.
• 1:17:06
  Like I see and I see how she is a victim, but her her own father
• 1:17:13
  did that to her. You know, that's nobody else did
• 1:17:17
  that to her. And they come out kind of
• 1:17:19
  attacking everybody else. You know, it wasn't directed at
• 1:17:24
  any specific people, but it's kind of like they if you talk
• 1:17:29
  about this case at all, you're in the wrong.
• 1:17:34
  You know, that's the kind of at the attitude that comes with
• 1:17:40
  and. That's not.
• 1:17:41
  It's not exactly how reality works.
• 1:17:45
  Do you think that the stuff that people are talking about, as far
• 1:17:50
  as what Kevin Mullins had been doing or allegedly had been
• 1:17:54
  doing, what people are saying had been doing, do you think
• 1:17:57
  that would come out in a trial, do you think?
• 1:18:02
  And if it did, would that be enough for a jury to go?
• 1:18:05
  I'm not convicting this guy. He killed a scumbag.
• 1:18:08
  That's a very good possibility because Mickey's attorney has
• 1:18:14
  said the reason why they wanted this judge off the case was
• 1:18:19
  because he knew Mullins. He had a specific perspective of
• 1:18:27
  Mullins just like the rest of the world did, and that whatever
• 1:18:32
  they're getting ready to bring out at trial is going to
• 1:18:37
  conflict with that perspective. The way that they have always
• 1:18:42
  seen the judge, whatever coming out, it's gonna go against that.
• 1:18:48
  And that's they used that in their reason to have him taken
• 1:18:53
  off the case. So that leads me to believe
• 1:18:57
  they're going to be bringing something.
• 1:19:00
  But what's going to be relevant? You know, like, you know how
• 1:19:04
  these things work. There's no surprises.
• 1:19:08
  They have to tell before they the Kate the the trial even
• 1:19:13
  starts. Don't they have to?
• 1:19:14
  Kind of? Tell mostly litigated by the
• 1:19:16
  time the trial starts. Right.
• 1:19:19
  Like they know they know exactly what each side is going to
• 1:19:23
  present to the jury and each side knows exactly what their
• 1:19:27
  strategy is to counter what the other says to the jury.
• 1:19:31
  It's not like we got Mickey Holler out there doing like
• 1:19:35
  these amazing or Alan Shore, these fictitious, you know,
• 1:19:38
  super lawyers that, you know, drop drop Dimes on people in
• 1:19:43
  open court. That doesn't happen, never
• 1:19:45
  happens. So the the question is, does
• 1:19:49
  Judge, what's his name? I can't remember his name right
• 1:19:51
  now. Will, what is it, Corin?
• 1:19:55
  That's right. Does Judge Corin have the is he
• 1:20:01
  unbiased enough to judge correctly on the law?
• 1:20:05
  He doesn't have to judge on the facts at all.
• 1:20:07
  He doesn't have to judge on any of that.
• 1:20:10
  That's up to the jury, right? But will he be unbiased enough
• 1:20:14
  to judge on the law? And it it looks like right now,
• 1:20:16
  at least, the state Supreme Court agrees that he can.
• 1:20:20
  I think that the the devil that you know that saying I don't
• 1:20:26
  ever get right. Better than the devil.
• 1:20:28
  You don't. Yeah.
• 1:20:30
  Yeah, he is where he was on that mental health board.
• 1:20:34
  I think that he would probably be a better judge to have
• 1:20:38
  understand mental illness and mental health defense.
• 1:20:44
  I think he would be a better judge to understand an expert
• 1:20:47
  and the kind of expert testimony that they will have.
• 1:20:50
  I think that he has a really good reputation for being a fair
• 1:20:55
  judge. He doesn't have any kind of, you
• 1:20:58
  know, nasty stuff popping up, you know, about his past cases
• 1:21:03
  or anything that I've seen so far anyway.
• 1:21:07
  I've seen childhood friends of his comment on my stuff and say
• 1:21:12
  I've known him since the 5th grade and he's been an ace all
• 1:21:17
  through life, you know, So I, I tend to believe those comments,
• 1:21:23
  you know, but I think that he will be better than somebody
• 1:21:30
  that maybe you don't know what their understanding of mental
• 1:21:36
  health is, even as a judge. Yeah, and it's all going to boil
• 1:21:40
  down to what his understanding the law is, right?
• 1:21:43
  That's is. And of course, to your point, as
• 1:21:47
  it applies to mental health law, so yeah.
• 1:21:53
  Yeah. It's fun to have you on.
• 1:21:57
  I love these conversations. I wish, I wish we'd do this more
• 1:22:00
  often. We can.
• 1:22:03
  We should. Anytime you just hollered at.
• 1:22:08
  Me, it makes Friday so much easier guys continuing and and
• 1:22:13
  we're going to wrap this up. We've been at it for an hour and
• 1:22:14
  a half, but just for those of you watching inside baseball
• 1:22:18
  just a little bit here, preparing for a live stream
• 1:22:22
  takes about 5 hours for me. That that's what it takes.
• 1:22:26
  Like I, it, it's not just, hey, let's, let's just, let's do a
• 1:22:32
  live stream, right? It's, it's about 5 hours that,
• 1:22:35
  that it usually may maybe a little less some days.
• 1:22:40
  But today, because I had the event at the courthouse, I just,
• 1:22:46
  I, I didn't want to, I couldn't. And I was like, Elizabeth, let's
• 1:22:50
  just chat. And it, it's just, it's actually
• 1:22:55
  relaxing. I'm so grateful.
• 1:22:57
  It's just a couple old friends chatting about crime.
• 1:23:01
  I love it. Yeah, man, this is how we do our
• 1:23:04
  show all the time. I can't handle that anxiety,
• 1:23:09
  man. You're a little more relaxed
• 1:23:13
  than I am, right? That's.
• 1:23:16
  Yeah, this one producer that that I worked with one time, she
• 1:23:23
  was like, Oh my God. She said you sat there and did
• 1:23:28
  that whole show without no script or anything, right off
• 1:23:31
  the top of your head. And I was like, yeah, I do every
• 1:23:34
  show that way. This is before I started
• 1:23:37
  scripting them. And I was like, I take a shower
• 1:23:43
  or 10 minutes before Showtime. Are you serious?
• 1:23:47
  Yeah, the only. Thing I have.
• 1:23:50
  Is a little island or in mascara and.
• 1:23:52
  I have full like, here's my agenda.
• 1:23:56
  Here are the things that I want to cover.
• 1:23:58
  Here are the articles that we're going to reading or the
• 1:24:01
  documents we're going to read. There's the videos we're going
• 1:24:03
  to watch. Like I have it all like planned
• 1:24:07
  because I and maybe I maybe I should be a little more laid
• 1:24:11
  back. Well, I do a lot of that now.
• 1:24:16
  At first, though, I didn't have. I didn't do any of that.
• 1:24:19
  I just tried. I didn't know what I was doing.
• 1:24:22
  I've had to learn. Just screw it.
• 1:24:26
  I still don't know what I'm doing but like, but then I
• 1:24:30
  watched Dilholio Mcdilholl get 30,000 views of just like people
• 1:24:36
  walking in front of a house. I'm obviously doing something
• 1:24:38
  wrong and I don't know what I'm going to do because next month
• 1:24:43
  for two weeks out of the month, I'm going to be in California.
• 1:24:47
  So I won't be able to do any of this.
• 1:24:49
  I've tried three Times Now to take my system on the road.
• 1:24:55
  It does not does not ever want to work.
• 1:24:58
  You have to adapt. You have to change.
• 1:25:03
  You have to. You're not going to change this.
• 1:25:05
  You're just going to, in addition to whenever you go out
• 1:25:10
  there, just open your YouTube app on your phone, Gavin.
• 1:25:14
  And go. Live on your phone, just from
• 1:25:18
  your phone and that's going I I guarantee you if you will do
• 1:25:23
  that and do that just once a day every night, you know, around
• 1:25:28
  your time or whatever time, you know, adapt it this you're the
• 1:25:32
  boss, you're the boss. This is your show.
• 1:25:36
  Maybe what I do is I just go on a walk like and with my phone.
• 1:25:40
  There you go. Maybe I get like one of those
• 1:25:43
  little like sticks that you can put your phone on.
• 1:25:47
  Yeah, so you don't even need that, honey.
• 1:25:50
  Just put it in your hand and hold it in front of your face as
• 1:25:54
  you walk. And you can walk and you can see
• 1:25:57
  the comments. They'll be right there.
• 1:26:00
  It'll be different and you'll have to adjust, you know,
• 1:26:04
  adjust. But your audience loves you.
• 1:26:06
  They're your family, they're your friends.
• 1:26:09
  They are going to show up for you that, you know, they're used
• 1:26:13
  to coming every night at 6:00 for your show.
• 1:26:16
  Whether you have the fish bowl up here, you know, with your
• 1:26:20
  thing or you are on your phone, your show is your show.
• 1:26:26
  And instead of you being here, you're just going to be in
• 1:26:28
  California and, you know, just talk about your day, talk about
• 1:26:32
  whatever. I guess that's what I'll do.
• 1:26:34
  I guess that's what I'll do because I think I hurt you guys.
• 1:26:42
  Elizabeth May may have saved my channel because I didn't know
• 1:26:45
  what I was going to do. Like I've I've tried twice and
• 1:26:49
  it doesn't help that like we stay at my parents house when
• 1:26:53
  when we go to California or or my in law's house and both of
• 1:26:57
  them have the crappiest Internet.
• 1:26:59
  I'm like, you guys are in a big city, what the crap is the
• 1:27:05
  matter with the Internet in your house?
• 1:27:08
  Well, I'll tell you what I'm going to do whenever I start
• 1:27:10
  tracking. We bought a bus.
• 1:27:12
  I've got an old bus, an old school bus, and we're going to
• 1:27:15
  yeah. And we are going to start
• 1:27:18
  working on it and hopefully by the end of the summer.
• 1:27:21
  I'm maybe not till next year. It may not, it may take me a
• 1:27:25
  while to get it worked on. But I want to make it a merch
• 1:27:28
  bus, you know, and start traveling.
• 1:27:30
  But whenever I do that, what is it?
• 1:27:34
  Link, that new hyperlink or Starlink?
• 1:27:38
  So whenever I checked into it before, I figured out what was
• 1:27:41
  causing all my stuff freezing. They have two different options
• 1:27:47
  of that star link. You can do it, buy it where it
• 1:27:51
  goes on your house and you just have it there.
• 1:27:53
  Or you can buy a mobile version where it's a little thing and
• 1:27:58
  you take it with you everywhere. So when you go to your parents
• 1:28:02
  house, you're not going to have to worry about their Internet.
• 1:28:05
  You're going to have that Musk Internet baby.
• 1:28:08
  It's going to work. Caitlin and Sharky agree with
• 1:28:12
  you that I should, I should do that.
• 1:28:15
  The by the way, the whole school bus thing, converting a school
• 1:28:18
  bus that has been a dream of mine for like 10 years.
• 1:28:22
  When we moved to Pennsylvania, we almost bought 1 and we almost
• 1:28:26
  like moved our family. I, I have, I'm a little more
• 1:28:30
  bougie. I now want like a, like a, like
• 1:28:34
  a bus, like a, like a greyhound, you know, like a bus.
• 1:28:40
  That's what I said. I want a tour bus.
• 1:28:42
  Yes, that's what I want. And like, I want to 'cause we're
• 1:28:46
  in the, we're in the time of our life where in the next, in the
• 1:28:50
  next 10 years, grandchildren will be here, right?
• 1:28:54
  And and I want to be able to go to 'cause we're, we, we are a
• 1:28:59
  family that spreads out. We don't, we're not like a tight
• 1:29:03
  family that everybody lives close to one another.
• 1:29:06
  Our one daughter who is married, lives in lives states away and
• 1:29:11
  and I live 2600 miles away from my closest, you know, family.
• 1:29:16
  So it's the well, that's not true.
• 1:29:18
  Our my older sister moved out to this area.
• 1:29:20
  But I, I, I've had this idea where we get like a tour bus and
• 1:29:26
  instead of setting it up like a motorhome, set it up like a full
• 1:29:31
  on tour bus with bunks. So you can like you can have
• 1:29:34
  like 10 bunks. Yes, I'm going to have so many
• 1:29:38
  teenagers. That's what I want.
• 1:29:42
  Bunks I, I've wanted to do that for like 10 years and I came so
• 1:29:48
  close to buying an MCI. It was called an MC6.
• 1:29:51
  It was a, it was a tour bus. So you're doing it.
• 1:29:55
  You're doing it the schooly style.
• 1:29:59
  It's my first attempt. We'll see how it goes.
• 1:30:03
  Listen, I am completely convinced.
• 1:30:06
  Gavin, don't you give up, honey. We are in, we are in this phase
• 1:30:12
  right now where we are building, we're building our empires and
• 1:30:18
  it's, you know, we just got to have faith and we have to put
• 1:30:22
  the work in, in, in building this foundation.
• 1:30:26
  And then whenever it comes, whenever that that blessing
• 1:30:29
  comes, if we didn't have this foundation built, we wouldn't be
• 1:30:34
  able to receive that blessing. Yeah.
• 1:30:37
  We give up before our blessing comes.
• 1:30:40
  Could you imagine giving up and then find out later?
• 1:30:44
  Man, if I had just waited, it was right around the corner.
• 1:30:47
  Yeah, I already gave up once on YouTube and it was Autumn and
• 1:30:52
  Jamie who Autumns my lead moderator and Jamie who handled
• 1:30:58
  well, she she established the the fish tank on on Facebook.
• 1:31:02
  She she administers that. That convinced me to come back.
• 1:31:05
  I took like many months off because I was like, this isn't
• 1:31:08
  working and I'm glad that I listened to him because because
• 1:31:11
  right now most of my income is coming from YouTube.
• 1:31:16
  I still have my day job and and I still do, I still hustle.
• 1:31:21
  But but you know, I'm we're at the point now where we pay our
• 1:31:25
  bills and everything on YouTube, even with the like, like if the
• 1:31:29
  downturn didn't happen, the YouTube, whatever YouTube did to
• 1:31:32
  itself, if that hadn't happened, I, yeah, I I would be making the
• 1:31:39
  same amount of money that I did when I was an executive in high
• 1:31:42
  end audio. I, I was, I was at that point.
• 1:31:48
  I know. And now it's just like.
• 1:31:53
  Listen, I'm figuring it out and see you've got, you've got, you
• 1:31:58
  got me over here. So once I get it figured out,
• 1:32:01
  then you ain't even go. You can just skip that whole
• 1:32:04
  thing. I'm just going to give it right.
• 1:32:05
  Just going to pass it over to me.
• 1:32:07
  Well, listen, let's see. Caitlin is like, maybe I should
• 1:32:10
  push Lolli by a little bit more. Have you seen my commercial for
• 1:32:13
  my hair? My hair shampoo.
• 1:32:15
  Yes, I loved. It it's amazing.
• 1:32:18
  We're getting to the point we're getting to the point where I'm
• 1:32:21
  going to be able to cut it off, though I'm I'm close to cutting
• 1:32:25
  it off and boy, am I looking forward to that day.
• 1:32:32
  Ladies, with your long hair, I, I didn't appreciate it.
• 1:32:37
  I did. I, yeah.
• 1:32:39
  I did not appreciate the care that you have to put into having
• 1:32:45
  long hair. I didn't, I didn't understand
• 1:32:47
  it. I didn't appreciate it.
• 1:32:49
  I I always was like, you know, there's that joke by Jeff
• 1:32:52
  Foxworthy that you can have as a heterosexual man, you can have a
• 1:32:59
  significant other, my case, a wife with beautiful, long,
• 1:33:05
  glorious, luxurious hair, or you can be on time to stuff.
• 1:33:10
  You can't have both right And that, and that is absolutely
• 1:33:15
  true. We're always late because it it
• 1:33:18
  takes her forever. But I didn't get it.
• 1:33:20
  I didn't get it until I grew out my hair and now I'm just like
• 1:33:26
  take as long as you need 'cause it sucks.
• 1:33:31
  Well, man, I'm I'm a different breed, honey.
• 1:33:36
  I don't do nothing to it. Absolutely nothing.
• 1:33:40
  I every once in awhile. Well, you saw me right before we
• 1:33:44
  started. I was a brushing it out of the
• 1:33:46
  shower. Let's go.
• 1:33:50
  So funny. Menopause has make my hair like,
• 1:33:57
  that's all the hair I've got. That's it, that's it.
• 1:34:02
  It's all gone. There ain't nothing.
• 1:34:05
  It's just like, like little scraggles on my head and I'm
• 1:34:10
  terrified. Honey, I want Dolly Parton week.
• 1:34:17
  I want a hair piece. You think I'd you think I'd look
• 1:34:22
  good with a hair piece? I I do, yeah.
• 1:34:26
  You, you be you. You know, I've been joking with
• 1:34:29
  cause having long hair has accentuated the fact that I've
• 1:34:34
  got like a receding hairline. It's just like, and it's just
• 1:34:38
  accentuated it. And I've been joking with
• 1:34:42
  Kimberly. I want to take the Turkish
• 1:34:44
  Airways. I want to go to Istanbul and I
• 1:34:48
  want to get plugs, man. I want to, I want to do a full
• 1:34:51
  Sylvester Stallone. I want my hairline to be like
• 1:34:53
  right here. My 15 year old son has my
• 1:35:01
  hairline and so he says the exact same thing.
• 1:35:06
  He's going bald his hairline. Oh my God, he spends 45 minutes
• 1:35:11
  in the morning on his hair. He's late for school every time.
• 1:35:15
  He's hair 'cause he's hairline, 'cause he's got a receding
• 1:35:18
  hairline at 15 years old, he says.
• 1:35:22
  Well, listen, I had the just, I had the best hair like and I
• 1:35:27
  grew up in the right decade for my hair.
• 1:35:30
  I, I started high school in 8990.
• 1:35:33
  In fact, I am the, I am the same graduating class as the Beverly
• 1:35:39
  Hills 9-O21-O kids, right? That we, we graduated in 93, so
• 1:35:44
  from 89 to 93. So that 90s like full on, like
• 1:35:48
  Brandon Walsh, Dylan, you know, thing that that was me.
• 1:35:52
  I had it going on, man. I was, I was raised in the
• 1:35:56
  perfect decade for my glorious hair.
• 1:36:01
  And now it, it's super thin. Like, like, yeah, I, I don't
• 1:36:05
  have, I don't have a lot of hair.
• 1:36:07
  And it's like it's just, it's marching backwards.
• 1:36:12
  Well, Gregory keeps his hair long, and I thought, I thought,
• 1:36:17
  man, I bet you if you cut your hair short, it won't make it
• 1:36:21
  look like that. So.
• 1:36:23
  And that's what you just said, ain't it?
• 1:36:25
  Yeah, because it kind of it can, you can bring it forward.
• 1:36:28
  It's not like a full coma or anything, but it lays like on
• 1:36:32
  your forehead and it it covers up.
• 1:36:36
  Maybe I need to try, You know what I need?
• 1:36:38
  I need a sponsorship from like a from like a hair regrowth.
• 1:36:45
  Have you done your branding thing on your YouTube to where
• 1:36:50
  you ought to do that? You ought to go in there and do
• 1:36:53
  all that. We've got to have us a little.
• 1:36:55
  OK, we're going to do that right after this, if you got time.
• 1:36:58
  OK, I'm, we're going to call it. Thank you so much for being
• 1:37:01
  here. I appreciate it.
• 1:37:02
  Caitlin's like saying Gavin tried wearing makeup.
• 1:37:05
  I know, I know. Well, first of all, I am a
• 1:37:07
  theater kid. I know a little bit about
• 1:37:09
  wearing makeup. I I grew up doing that, but
• 1:37:14
  doing it everyday. No, thank you.
• 1:37:16
  I I definitely don't want to do that.
• 1:37:18
  Elizabeth, thank you very much for being here.
• 1:37:20
  I have linked to Elizabeth's channel in the headline and in
• 1:37:24
  the description below. Go check her out.
• 1:37:26
  She is on YouTube. She's on Facebook.
• 1:37:28
  She's all over the place. Thanks for being here and
• 1:37:31
  Elizabeth. And then hang out for just one
• 1:37:32
  second while I close this, close this out.
• 1:37:34
  OK. Hey, guys, it's been a terrific
• 1:37:36
  week. Thank you very much for being
• 1:37:38
  here. Thanks for your comments today.
• 1:37:40
  Thanks for sitting through just just a couple of kids talking
• 1:37:46
  about true crime that I really needed that today.
• 1:37:49
  I needed to be able to just just hang out and and chat with
• 1:37:55
  somebody who I really love. So thank you for that.
• 1:37:57
  We will be back on Monday. Thank you to those who who
• 1:38:03
  entered into the great giveaway that I did with fan of them for
• 1:38:07
  the for the Omega Speedmaster. I can't wait to see who wins.
• 1:38:13
  Looking forward to that. I will I'll reach out to Justin
• 1:38:16
  over there a fan of them to figure that out.
• 1:38:18
  I'm I'm really excited about that.
• 1:38:20
  And thank you for all the support Patreon, for YouTube
• 1:38:24
  membership, for your super chats and stickers, for listening and
• 1:38:28
  watching on Spotify, an on podcast.
• 1:38:31
  I really appreciate it guys. It goes so far to making this
• 1:38:35
  possible to continue as my gig. With that, I bid you adieu and I
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  will see you on Monday. Take care.