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The Dark Side of Sports Gambling – NBA Scandals, FanDuel Culture, and What’s Next for Pro Sports · Off the Bench - London

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  Episode 8. Issue 8. Yeah. Yeah, man. I caught
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  you off guard a little bit. This is late. So,
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  I've been working earlier today trying to get
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  that intro perfect. I'm eventually going to get
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  a video and all that to help. But, yeah. Yeah,
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  I like how you just keep surprising me with those.
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  Every week, it's a different progress on the
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  podcast, man. Like, literally last week, I'm
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  looking at him. And I'm like, man, are we going
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  to start? And he's like, oh, just let the intro
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  finish. And I was like, what's taking so long?
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  And he's like, oh, we got a song now. Just listen
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  to it after. Oh, don't worry. Pay attention to
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  the end because there's an outro song. Oh, boy.
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  No, making this more official, making it all
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  complete. I love it. Every week is a work in
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  progress. So you can gamble on that. Yeah. We're
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  rolling the dice every week, making sure we don't
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  say anything. Might as well hit that blackjack.
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  All right. Another episode, though. Lots of impact
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  this week. Yeah, a lot happened. Like... Two
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  more injuries. After our episode last week...
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  More legal cases. Man! There's a... Yeah, there's
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  a lot to talk about. like the gambling situation
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  that I kind of want to get into. I cannot believe
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  that. Oh, no, you can put the notes up if you
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  really want to. Yeah. But I honestly, I can't
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  believe that all that just blew up. It's just
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  funny. And it's like the things you're not expecting,
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  too. Well, okay, before we get into that, though.
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  Obviously, we want to throw a huge shout -out
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  to Clubhouse for allowing us to have the space
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  to do a podcast like this. Hey, we love doing
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  this. Oh, it's honestly amazing to communicate,
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  interact with people. People are coming down
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  earlier to watch the Jays game later on because
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  it's Game 3 of the World Series tied 1 -1. Yeah.
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  Who would have thought? I mean, a lot of people
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  would have thought the Jays were going to win
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  a game at least. Except for you. I thought it
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  was going to be a clean sweep, to be honest.
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  I thought it was going to be a... Sky. Hey, but
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  if you're watching the podcast now or you're
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  listening, today, yes, we're a little retro because
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  the game happened last night. This isn't as retro
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  as the jerseys they were wearing last night.
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  I guess those are new. Those are new. Those are
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  new, shiny, yellow garbage. The helmets were
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  sweet. Okay, but... The helmets and socks were
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  a totally different yellow than the jerseys,
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  so it just looked weird. That was just wrong.
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  The jerseys are like Steelers yellow, but the
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  helmets and socks were like Canary yellow. Yeah,
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  it was weird. It didn't make sense. That's a
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  bold choice. Just like their play. I just feel
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  bad for Rodgers having to wear beige pants for
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  two different teams. Yeah, you're not wrong.
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  On the contrary, look at it from this perspective.
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  Those jerseys came out. You're rocking ours.
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  Yeah. We got that merch now. Got to represent.
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  I'm in. I'm back on the Eagles train. Yeah, that
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  makes sense. I'm back on the Eagles train. I
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  was going to say, that's a lot of pigeon on your
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  shirt. No, no, but mine's still coming. Mine's
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  still coming. It's just going to be clean and
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  pressed, ready for their next loss. Or the next
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  tweet. The next tweet? Oh, yeah, that's probably
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  coming. Because, like, I mean, how injured is
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  he? Oh, he's not that injured. Yeah. But he's
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  not getting traded. Yeah. I want to unpack that
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  later for sure. But, yeah, clubhouse, half -price
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  wings, 450 pints of powerhouse. Can't beat that.
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  You know what I mean? Localist beer you can get.
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  Amazing TVs where you can catch the Jays game
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  for the World Series, NFL. We're now talking
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  NBA, NHL. I love going to bars with this many
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  TVs for game day because you're sitting at home.
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  You can watch, like a lot of us watch Red Zone,
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  right? So you can pay attention to every game
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  at the same time. But then you need to have an
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  extra TV because you want to. You got your team
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  you want to watch. Yep. But you can't watch a
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  million games at the same time. You're not wrong.
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  It's also really confusing to be like, hey, do
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  you want to come watch the game? You're like,
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  nah, I'm watching Red Zone. Unless they really
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  follow football. Red Zone is very confusing to
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  watch. You know what? It's like watching highlights
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  all the time. Did TikTok and Instagram Reels,
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  I can't even speak today, Instagram Reels and
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  all that. get their inspiration from Red Zone
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  because the attention that you have to keep flipping
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  back and forth is honestly swiping up and down.
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  They have commercials. I guess Red Zone has commercials
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  now. It's not as bad, though. They made it seem
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  like it was the end of the world. They just need
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  to make more money, just like gambling. Yeah,
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  yeah. Why don't they just bet on Red Zone having
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  commercials? Oh, man. And then... Make that change.
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  Take all the money and then change back. That's
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  fine. A little bit of insider trading. Never
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  hurt anybody, right? All right. So we're getting
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  to our first topic of today. It's going to be
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  basically sports gambling, league growth, but
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  the backlash from it. I feel like this is the
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  second time we've already talked about gambling.
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  We did, but... The NBA kind of blew up. The NBA
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  started last week, and then the first few games
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  happened, and then at 6 o 'clock in the morning,
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  two people get arrested that are dealing with
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  the mafia. Yeah. I feel like that's one of those
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  things where, like, you think, ah, yeah, that's
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  in a movie. It has to be, though. But, like,
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  the Netflix documentary series, docu -series,
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  could be pretty sweet. Okay. I'm sure that's
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  going to come out in... They probably already
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  have it going. They're probably working on it
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  right now, as you speak. South Park, get on it.
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  Oh, well, next season, right? Because they're
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  done for this season. Yeah. So too much backlash
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  from all the other stuff they've done. I feel
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  like they just had a lot lined up with that,
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  and that's totally... I think after Charlie Kirk
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  got, you know, assassinated, unfortunately. Can
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  we say that? Is that a thing we're allowed to
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  say? He was assassinated. Yeah. No, I know, but,
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  like, you know how everybody says, like, weird
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  stuff instead of saying the real words? This
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  isn't broadcast on kids' shows. Yeah, I don't
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  know. I have no idea. But let's get into it.
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  Okay, so Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups. So
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  Terry Rozier is a shooting guard slash point
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  guard for the Miami Heat. He got arrested at
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  6 o 'clock in the morning after his game for
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  allegedly faking an injury and allowing people
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  to bet on the under for them to hit. And then
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  Chauncey Billups is being allegedly accused of
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  rigging poker tables and using x -ray contact
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  lenses to read the cards that are going on. Both
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  are kind of linked, but not. And then they also
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  said it was linked to the mafia, which is kind
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  of ridiculous. I don't get it, though. The illegal
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  blackjack games, like, I get that, like, you
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  can't do that because it's illegal, but, like,
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  it's the equivalent of, like, you playing around
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  in poker with your buddies, except it's for a
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  lot more money. Yeah, the stakes are a lot higher.
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  We're talking about, like, these guys who are
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  millionaires that, you know, there's 10 grand,
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  let's go and do a poker game. It's a lot more
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  than that. You know what I mean, though. But,
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  yeah, it just seems like... I don't know when
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  I see hear about somebody oh I lost all my money
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  gambling you're like I'm not saying it's like
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  a victimless crime but like you did it to yourself
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  yeah like you totally didn't have to go in and
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  start gambling hundreds of thousands of dollars
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  no one like No one's forcing you to do it until
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  you're in over your head and then you have to.
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  Yeah, but let's be honest. For the Chauncey Billups
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  situation, you've got to look at it from this
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  perspective, and it's pretty simple. Someone
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  was mad because they lost all their money. It
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  was like, how did I lose their money? So they
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  ratted them out because it was already a legal
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  poker game. Yeah. You know, it's like a brotherhood.
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  Yeah. Those things that you just don't talk about,
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  you just do, blah, blah. But if someone got real
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  butthurt and lost too much money, it's like,
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  well, you guys are cheating me. I'm going to
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  tell the feds. Yeah. And then that probably just
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  spiraled out of control. Because the head of
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  FBI was saying he's been looking into this for
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  the past two to four years. Yeah, I get it. It
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  sucks for the NBA. It sucks for all sports. It
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  does suck for all sports. But it sucks that they
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  get roped into it, even though it has nothing
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  to do. He's a prominent NBA figure. gambling,
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  not on basketball. Well, and here's the other
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  thing, because I did some research into it, and
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  Tony Dungay, in 2007, he was a ref. Oh, yeah,
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  yeah. That was a huge scandal. Yeah. He resigned
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  once that scandal hit, but he was a ref, and
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  he would do inside trading and call fouls that
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  would benefit his bets, and then tell family
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  and friends who were betting, this is what he'll
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  do. um which blows my mind that everyone else
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  goes oh when teams get those random extra penalties
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  extra yards extra extra points extra turnovers
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  so many like broadcasters and everybody is like
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  no that doesn't mean anything they were the better
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  team but like no but it's a game of inches And
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  you're like, if a ref in the NBA, when they score
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  100 plus points, can influence a game by calling
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  three fouls, imagine how much of a difference
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  seven points in a game that each team maybe scores
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  30. You're not wrong. I get that they're looking
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  into things, but there's definitely... There
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  has to be a little bit of just leaning different
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  directions. Well, like, taking into consideration,
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  I did go into, like, the ref's contracts in the
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  NFL just to see if they have any real responsibilities.
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  They're not allowed to bet. As a ref, you're
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  not allowed to bet. But your household can bet.
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  It's just strongly disencouraged. How does that
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  make sense? So your family members in your household
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  can bet on football, basketball, whatever, but
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  you're supposed to encourage them not to. But
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  there's no actual penalty for your family members
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  to bet on a sport. Yeah, but like. So then that
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  includes insider trading. So if, let's say, we
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  live in the same house and you are about to go
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  ref a football game. Okay. And I'm like, as you're
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  leaving the house, I'm like. Hey, don't forget,
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  I put a whole bunch of money on the Eagles. Have
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  a fun shift at work. I'll be at home watching
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  the game. Remember, my house is on the line.
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  And then you may be 100 % square, but, like,
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  it's still in the back of your head that, like,
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  hey, maybe, like, ah, do I call this one? I probably,
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  I don't want Scott to lose his house, so I guess.
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  I guess I'll call that, oh, we'll throw a flag.
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  Like, it's that easy. The line is very gray.
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  I feel like the line is very gray with insider
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  trading everywhere. Because everybody is trying
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  to look up, do all their research, trying to
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  figure out what's the next, what's the best certain
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  thing with everything. Whether it's like stocks,
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  whether it's, you're getting a job. You're like,
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  you're trying to find a company that is good,
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  so you do your research. So... But also in this
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  economy... Like, you learn any information, you're
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  like, oh, nice, I want to go there. It's like,
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  if you have a... If... Use that job thing again.
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  If you're looking for a job, and your buddy says,
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  oh, you should check this place out, they're
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  really good. Or your buddy works there. I'll
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  put in a good word for you. I'll put in a good
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  word. It's the same. It's almost the exact same
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  thing. Yeah, except you're just getting a salary
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  instead of getting a short -term paycheck. Now,
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  you still have to perform. Yeah, this team still
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  has to perform, but you have that edge. Yes.
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  And especially in today's job market, a lot of
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  people are saying, like, a lot of the young say,
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  oh, I can't get a job. We always say, get out
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  there and meet people. Network with other people.
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  Yeah. But, like, back onto the gambling thing,
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  it's like, dude, technically, They're networking
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  with the right people. Yeah. But the problem
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  right now that I look at in the sports industry,
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  it is so heavy on the gambling due to the fact
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  that there's so much money. Oh, it's insane.
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  Right? Like the NFL, the NBA, WNBA, all these
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  sports teams are increasing their betting amount.
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  Yeah. Because more people are watching now because
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  they can gamble it. So it's more intriguing.
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  So taking that consideration. you know, they're
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  going to partner up with FanDuel. Like, now when
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  you watch SportsCenter, there's a little thing
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  on the corner that says... Shout out to FanDuel.
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  You should... Sponsor us. Yeah. Like, FanDuel
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  has their thing where, like, the announcers are
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  saying, like, maybe you should bet this and this
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  and this. Well, technically, that's insider trading
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  because you're telling me what to bet. Yeah.
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  Right? But... Exactly. You know what I mean?
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  Like, they have a little bit more information
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  than you have sitting at home. but then it also
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  comes down to the integrity of the game. And
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  sometimes I wonder when I'm watching some of
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  these games where a clear offside doesn't get
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  called. It's like, was that ref cheating us out
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  of our hard -earned money compared to people
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  who are just doing it? I mean, as an Eagles fan,
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  I wouldn't talk about offsides too much. You
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  guys get those. I just set myself up. Yeah. I
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  got to be careful with the words I use. I got
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  to be very careful with the words I use, especially
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  on this episode. Right? I'm going to catch you.
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  I'll call you out every time. So that's the whole
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  reffing aspect of it. But then you get the players,
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  like Terry Rozier, literally basically point
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  shaving. Yep. Because... There was people that
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  did it in college before, but this big in the
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  NBA? It's huge because we're not just talking
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  hundreds of dollars. I can say something real
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  controversial right now if you want. So this
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  happened, I'm pretty sure this happened when
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  he was playing in Charlotte, right? Yes. Who
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  is a basketball player known for gambling? there
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  was a scandal where he okay so michael jordan
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  yeah retired yeah our way through his career
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  and we always speculated that it was due to gambling
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  and it was a league suspension they just did
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  it under the rug and now terry rosier gets caught
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  point shaving faking injuries and who owns charlotte
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  he did he did He sold it. Did he sell them? He
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  sold part of his shares not that long ago because
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  he needed the money. I wonder why. I don't want
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  to put any speculation because he's still the
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  greatest of all time. No, he is. I'm just throwing
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  out those controversial picks. Damn. But also,
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  Terry Rozier, what the hell? I had you on Fantasy
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  that year. I was wondering why you kept being
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  injured and out and sucking. Come on. The integrity
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  of the game is changing, though. And, like, it
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  makes me also not want to gamble anymore on sports.
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  Because, like, I started gambling with Betway
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  once it was, like, available in Europe. And I
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  just used a VPN to be able to gamble. That sounds...
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  Because it wasn't necessarily legal in Ontario,
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  but... Yeah. You know, it is what it is. But
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  it wasn't necessarily illegal. It's just a platform
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  where you can just gamble, whatever. See, gambling
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  was always one of those things where... You needed
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  a bookie back in the day, though. Now it's just
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  accessible. Yeah. So, I know a lot about sports.
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  Yeah. But I don't bet anything on the games.
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  Like, I do fantasy sports. Yeah. But I don't
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  do parlays. I don't do... Because I know I'd
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  be good at it. And I know how... Like, it can
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  be addictive. And I know how slippery of a slope
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  it can be. Yep. And... And it kind of takes away
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  from it a little bit. That's fair. I think it
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  adds a lot of excitement. But, like, you'll find
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  yourself watching games you don't want to watch
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  just because you have money on the line. Which
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  can also be great. Which can be good. Especially
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  in UFC. Yeah. When you're trying to predict a
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  perfect card, and then, you know, one fighter
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  screws you over, then you redo your bet. And
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  it's like, okay, well. This guy has this background
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  and that background and blah, blah. Like, I think
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  what really blew up recently was UFC betting.
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  Yeah. Like, most of us really got involved when
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  UFC got really, really good. Well, I mean, boxing,
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  like, there's been betting on boxing. Yes. It's
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  been huge for years. Yes. There's also been a
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  lot of controversy around that. True. As well.
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  True. I don't know. Like, I get it. One day I'll
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  probably get it. I'll dabble. I'm sure. Probably
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  this year, to be honest. I want my referral bonus.
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  Sorry, Steph. You guys have both been hounding
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  me for that. Hey. Hey. Honestly. But, hey, FanDuel
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  wants to sponsor us. You know what? Maybe I'll
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  place a couple bets. I'll definitely send this
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  out to FanDuel to see if they can get us. Yeah.
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  A little sponsorship in the morning. Right now,
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  you can see that we have off the bench up there.
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  It is up there. There we go. Above his head.
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  But this could be you. So even if you are a local
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  business in London that wants to get featured
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  on ours, we can definitely work a deal out. You
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  can help us out. We'll help you out. So you know
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  what? Let's move that. Now it's there. You got
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  it. You got the off the bench now. There we go.
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  Right here. You know what I mean? But a huge
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  sponsor for us right now is definitely Clubhouse.
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  Like nothing beats Clubhouse. Oh, yeah. Hey,
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  we love a good ad. You know what I mean? If it
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  wasn't for Clubhouse, we wouldn't be here. Yeah,
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  that's true. The National Anthem's on right now
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  because the Dodgers are playing right behind
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  us. Because the Dodgers are playing. You know
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  what? I didn't gamble on this game because I
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  lost most of my money recently to Tottenham not
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  winning. Oh they're butchering this. The disrespect.
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  Well, that was nice. National anthem during a
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  podcast? Yeah, why not? I'm down. Yeah, the Jays
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  are playing. You got to represent. The Dodgers
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  are playing. Shh. The Dodgers can play all they
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  want. I'm probably going to talk during the American
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  National Anthem. Well, no, they're not going
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  to screw that anthem over. Yeah, they get a guitar.
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  What is this shenanigans? So. So where were we?
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  All right, so sports gambling. Yeah, it's taken
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  over so hard. It's almost out of control at this
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  point. There's so much money in it, they can
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  barely rein it back. But now I'm worried that
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  the rest are ruining the game for us, especially
• 24:48
  during that Pittsburgh game. Yeah. The moment
• 24:52
  one bad call happens. the whole momentum of the
• 24:55
  game changed. Yeah. The players go, well, they're
• 24:59
  against us. It almost has to get to a point where
• 25:02
  if your family member is in the league, you're
• 25:07
  not allowed to, even if you have the last name.
• 25:09
  But you can't gamble. Yeah, but until you have
• 25:13
  a ref whose last name is Smith, and that's like
• 25:17
  half the country. I don't know what it's going
• 25:22
  to take. Yeah. But honestly, it's like it's almost
• 25:27
  impossible to control. It's the same thing with
• 25:31
  like everything. Like you can't stop insider
• 25:35
  trade. Like you can try as hard as you want.
• 25:38
  There's still going to be a little bit. Yeah,
• 25:40
  you're right. The problem is with other things,
• 25:43
  there's a lot like it's spread out over a lot.
• 25:47
  But sports. we're watching, everyone is watching
• 25:53
  like a night game. Everyone's watching one game.
• 25:57
  So if everyone's watching one game, then it's
• 26:01
  really obvious. You start to notice everything.
• 26:06
  I think, what I think in football, or in all
• 26:11
  sports, if they eliminated being able to bet
• 26:15
  the under, That would prevent a lot of match,
• 26:20
  like, point shaving. Like, you can bet against
• 26:23
  teams, sure. You can bet for a team. But you
• 26:27
  can't bet, like, that Terry Rozier is going to
• 26:32
  get less than five rebounds. Because that's easy
• 26:36
  for a player to do. You can bet that he's going
• 26:42
  to get more. Oh, so you bet the projected. So
• 26:47
  if he doesn't hit it, you don't profit on the
• 26:50
  under. Yeah. That's actually pretty smart. Because,
• 26:54
  like, if you eliminate that, you eliminate the
• 26:58
  ability for a player to, like, players themselves
• 27:02
  to do it. But then, okay, so then you get the
• 27:06
  Westbrook situation where then you get some players
• 27:09
  point padding. Okay. Which was not a bad thing
• 27:14
  because it helps our game. But at least it's
• 27:16
  exciting. It's exciting when you know, like,
• 27:21
  oh, this guy is trying to fix the game by scoring
• 27:26
  more points. Crazy. Because he knows if he could
• 27:31
  potentially score 40 points, he knows one of
• 27:35
  his buddies can make more money. Yeah. That'd
• 27:38
  be interesting. That's a better way of handling
• 27:41
  it than, oh, no, I'll just go out there and dog
• 27:44
  it. At least that means they have to put effort
• 27:48
  in. And the integrity of the game stays true.
• 27:51
  And it'll be a lot more obvious if a player is
• 27:56
  going out there and, I mean, pushing back on
• 28:00
  defense, trying to get all of those rebounds
• 28:02
  just to try and hit their over. you'll notice
• 28:07
  that more than you'll notice, oh, my calf's sore.
• 28:11
  I'm out. That's a really good take, though. I
• 28:16
  never thought of it like that. I like that. Thank
• 28:17
  you. Thank you. Damn. All right, so Fando, we
• 28:22
  just gave you a great idea. Yeah, cut out half
• 28:24
  of your audience. You make more money, though.
• 28:27
  It's true. Because a lot more people won't make
• 28:29
  their bet. Yeah. So the house always wins. Yeah.
• 28:34
  Huh. Either the house wins or it's a great game
• 28:37
  to watch. That means everybody wins. You know,
• 28:43
  you won't have people betting on those garbage
• 28:45
  games. You're like, yeah, I'm just going to bet
• 28:49
  the under on everyone because both teams are
• 28:50
  terrible. Well, yeah. Huh. That's a good thing.
• 28:58
  Damn. Okay. Marketing for FanDuel. Call us up.
• 29:02
  You know. I got some ideas. You know what I mean?
• 29:06
  That's pretty genius. Maybe that's the vision
• 29:10
  that you're portraying out there, visionary.
• 29:13
  Who knows? I could see it happening. I could.
• 29:16
  With this much scandal, I could see it happening.
• 29:19
  Well, we'll see. There's supposed to be a lot
• 29:21
  more people that are going to get arrested with
• 29:23
  this whole situation. Yeah, it started with like
• 29:25
  30 people or something. But only two prominent
• 29:28
  names were recorded. Right, like Chauncey Billups
• 29:33
  and terrorists. Yeah, and the rest are a bunch
• 29:35
  of mafia families. Messing with the mafia, that's
• 29:39
  Vegas. That's everyone in Vegas because that's
• 29:43
  mafia city. That's true. So, I don't know. Stephen
• 29:49
  A. Smith tried to say it was Trump. Who knows?
• 29:52
  No, I think he was saying it's Trump that cracked
• 29:56
  down on it. Yeah, like use the tip because he
• 30:00
  had his hotel in Las Vegas. And let's be honest.
• 30:05
  Yeah. If you have a tower in Las Vegas, you're
• 30:07
  connected to the whole thing. Oh, yeah. It's
• 30:09
  how it works. He could have been the one that
• 30:11
  lost the poker game. But who knows? We'll see
• 30:19
  how it all plays out. Well, remember, this is
• 30:22
  not a political podcast, so let's not get into
• 30:24
  that part. No, we're talking about the sports
• 30:27
  gambling. Yeah. It's all, and everything ties
• 30:31
  together. I do plan on crossing the borders at
• 30:33
  some point. So... One day we'll get you another
• 30:39
  game. And hopefully get back. Yeah, I'm hoping
• 30:43
  real, real soon. Yeah. But honestly, I'm looking
• 30:48
  forward to this World Series Game 3. I would
• 30:51
  love it to go to game seven. Just for the entertainment
• 30:55
  purposes. Oh, yeah. We'll end the last game six
• 30:58
  and seven. Shout out to all those children out
• 31:02
  there paying attention to those two numbers.
• 31:05
  Oh, no. What do we do? I'm ashamed. But game
• 31:13
  six and seven are in Toronto is what I'm saying.
• 31:16
  Six, seven. Oh, no. Watch it go viral. Just kidding.
• 31:25
  But not really. All right. I know it's still
• 31:29
  a baseball game, but let's still talk about football.
• 31:32
  Yeah. Because we can get this out of the way.
• 31:35
  There's a lot of good games. Yeah, man. Some
• 31:37
  really bad games. Yep. Yep. We'll start about
• 31:42
  the Thursday night because that was the Vikings
• 31:44
  and the Chargers. 10 -37 for the Chargers. So
• 31:49
  what were your thoughts on that game? I know
• 31:50
  Wentz was once an eagle, but was it right what
• 31:57
  they did to him? Not putting in the backup until
• 32:00
  way later. Like, I get it. He was the third string
• 32:03
  guy. J .J. McCarthy looked okay on the sidelines
• 32:06
  when he was hurtling over people, jumping over,
• 32:07
  coming through the sidelines. But Carson Wentz's
• 32:10
  shoulder was mangled going into the game. He's
• 32:13
  out for the rest of the season. I know. He's
• 32:15
  having season -ending surgery now. They did him
• 32:18
  dirty. Like, that was almost a funeral for him.
• 32:26
  Because they weren't helping him much. He got
• 32:29
  sacked five times. Yeah. Right? And it all wasn't
• 32:33
  from one person. Yeah. Like... I mean, I get
• 32:38
  it when people count, like, oh, it's sacks, but
• 32:41
  it's also just QB hits, getting knocked down
• 32:44
  after the play. Like, that adds up. Honestly,
• 32:48
  it's not right what they did to him. Yeah. I'm
• 32:53
  actually kind of happy Sam Donald's not there.
• 32:56
  And Indiana Jones is not there. Yeah, that...
• 33:00
  Honestly, that whole thing is comical to me.
• 33:03
  Because you look at it and you're like, The Vikings,
• 33:07
  man, last year, they had Sam Darnold, MVP candidate.
• 33:12
  Yep. They had Indiana Jones, MVP candidate. Yeah.
• 33:17
  Like, what? It's like Sam Darnold on Carolina
• 33:22
  Panthers. Yeah. You know what I mean? They had
• 33:26
  Sam Darnold and Baker. And Baker Mayfield. But
• 33:29
  that's the thing with, like, some franchises.
• 33:33
  That's how you... You can tell a franchise is
• 33:36
  just not, they're not right. But it's the Vikings.
• 33:41
  Yeah. Who were amazing last year. The only thing
• 33:44
  that really changed was the quarterback left.
• 33:47
  Yeah. Their O -line did not change from last
• 33:50
  year. And it's completely different. J .J. looked
• 33:54
  like a deer that had lights at his first three
• 33:56
  games. But that's the thing. It doesn't matter
• 33:59
  who you are. If you're behind the O -line, you
• 34:01
  have to know how to manipulate a pocket. That's
• 34:04
  why Jake Browning, the difference between Jake
• 34:08
  Browning and Joe Flacco is massive. Just because
• 34:13
  Joe Flacco knows what he's doing in a pocket,
• 34:16
  Jake Browning is running around going, oh no.
• 34:21
  You see that a lot with Caleb Williams as well.
• 34:25
  When their first read isn't there, they're running
• 34:28
  around. They're almost like... I don't want to
• 34:33
  say flinching, but they hear the footsteps. Yeah.
• 34:39
  So they don't know exactly what they're going
• 34:42
  to do. But the Chargers played great. Well, the
• 34:47
  Chargers played well because Joe Alt returned.
• 34:49
  Yeah. It's so big for them. It shows you how
• 34:54
  key star players make a huge difference. Yeah.
• 34:57
  No matter where you are. Like Dallas Cowboys.
• 35:01
  They don't have a leader on defense. It shows.
• 35:03
  Joe Alt hasn't been around. Chargers can't win
• 35:07
  a game because the O -line can't stay true. Yeah,
• 35:12
  you need that anchor. And Herbert has to panic
• 35:14
  because he doesn't have that confidence on his
• 35:17
  team. You bring him back, you have that leader.
• 35:19
  Everything kind of solidifies. Everyone gets
• 35:22
  back to normal. You have your leaders that are
• 35:25
  calling everything out. Like, it's huge. It's
• 35:29
  such a huge difference. Also, the Chargers jerseys
• 35:32
  were way nicer this week than the yellow ones
• 35:35
  that they had. Oh, the Steelers ones are awful.
• 35:37
  The Steelers, yeah. I know, I get it. They had
• 35:40
  meaning, but, like, we don't need to continue
• 35:45
  on that subject. I'm sure it'll come up again.
• 35:48
  All right, all right. Sunday, 1 o 'clock, it
• 35:50
  was the Jets and the Bengals, 39 -38. How do
• 35:55
  the Bengals screw this up? So this is exactly
• 35:57
  why last week I was like, oh no, not this again,
• 36:01
  when the Steelers scored on the first drive.
• 36:04
  Because the Bengals' defense is absolute garbage.
• 36:07
  It was pretty bad. Like, what are you doing?
• 36:10
  How do you give up 39 points to the winless Jets?
• 36:16
  They made... They made Justin Fields look like
• 36:19
  an all -star. Whoa, whoa, whoa. They made him
• 36:23
  look like a functional quarterback. They made
• 36:25
  Brees Hall look like an absolute all -star, which
• 36:28
  he's really good. But, like, if anyone's betting
• 36:32
  out there, bet on the starting running back for
• 36:38
  whoever's playing the Bengals. So we're playing
• 36:41
  the Bears next week. DeAndre Swift. Swift. I'm
• 36:46
  guessing 130 yards. So bet the over. Bet the
• 36:49
  over. Bet the over, not the under. No, you're
• 36:52
  not wrong. You're not wrong. Yeah, you're right.
• 36:54
  The Bengals' defense definitely did suck. So
• 36:57
  many issues right there. But here's the other
• 36:59
  thing. In the fourth quarter, you guys were up
• 37:02
  with 14 points. Brees Hall ran for 133 yards
• 37:08
  and threw the winning touchdown pass against
• 37:11
  y 'all. How stupid is that? Like, it wasn't even
• 37:14
  Justin Fields that won the game. It was Brees
• 37:15
  Hall who won it. Now, Justin Fields was 21 for
• 37:21
  23. For 244, no interceptions. Exactly. Justin
• 37:27
  Fields, no interceptions? I'm kind of shocked
• 37:31
  right now. And, like, I don't even know. Did
• 37:35
  they get a sack, maybe? I don't even think they
• 37:38
  did. He ran for 31 yards. Yeah. Like, what? What
• 37:43
  are they doing? Zach Taylor, he needs to stop
• 37:48
  calling the plays too because he was calling
• 37:52
  run plays on their final drive. What are you
• 37:55
  doing? If I was able to show clips though. It
• 37:59
  was everything, even the special teams. On that
• 38:03
  last drive, they kicked it. He could have touched
• 38:06
  back in the end zone. Why is he running it out?
• 38:09
  But he's wasting time and he didn't even get
• 38:11
  to where they would have gotten to. So they lost
• 38:15
  yards on that too. Like they're not helping themselves.
• 38:19
  No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. The offense
• 38:20
  looked good. Yeah. The offense looked good. However,
• 38:25
  the defense looked completely inept. I wish I
• 38:29
  had two clips to show right now. One is Jamar
• 38:32
  Chase after when the broadcaster or the journalist
• 38:37
  asked him. You know what happened on defense?
• 38:40
  And Jamar Chase was, ask Zach Taylor. Yeah, ask
• 38:43
  Zach. Ask Zach. Like, he has no words. Like,
• 38:46
  it's at the point where he doesn't want to be
• 38:48
  there. Well, they're getting frustrated because
• 38:51
  you're like, as an offense. You're putting up
• 38:53
  the numbers. You put up 38 points. Yeah. 38 points
• 38:59
  and a loss. How's, oh, come on. It's unacceptable.
• 39:03
  Do better. Like this Al Golden thing. What? Al
• 39:10
  Golden? The new defensive coordinator? Wait,
• 39:12
  wait, wait. It ain't it. It's not working. They
• 39:16
  need some different players maybe. Someone that
• 39:19
  can teach them how to tackle. Maybe some better
• 39:23
  schemes. I don't know. Between that and the scouting
• 39:30
  department. Like some of these. Like, some of
• 39:35
  the rookies are getting in are good. But you
• 39:38
  need a good scouting department to hit on, like,
• 39:40
  the fourth, fifth, sixth round guys. Because
• 39:44
  it's not working. Watch in a few days you find
• 39:48
  out that Zach Taylor is a part of the gambling
• 39:50
  situation. Don't surprise me. Man. Yeah. Well,
• 39:59
  at least the Jets want to get rid of him. No,
• 40:03
  not at least the Jets won a game. Don't at least
• 40:08
  be that. At least they didn't go 0 -1 -17 and
• 40:11
  make history. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess the
• 40:17
  Bengals successfully saved Just Field's job for
• 40:20
  another week. Only for a week, yeah. For at least
• 40:23
  a week. Yeah. It's still bad. Ugh. What a bunch
• 40:29
  of idiots. On the positive side, though. Sorry,
• 40:33
  half a bunch of idiots. The offense, solid. Yeah,
• 40:35
  yeah, yeah. On the positive side, the Bills and
• 40:38
  the Panthers. Bills dropped 40 on the Panthers
• 40:42
  with their Panthers 9. The Bills. Well, that's
• 40:49
  exactly what should have happened in the Bengals
• 40:52
  game. I agree. Like, those are the games where
• 40:56
  you're just like, we need this win. The layups.
• 41:00
  You've got to hit those layups. Because if you
• 41:03
  can't, then you're in the running for a really
• 41:09
  good draft pick. Because that's about it. Like
• 41:15
  the Tennessee Titans? Yeah, the Titans. I mean,
• 41:21
  still the Jets. The Bengals are racing to the
• 41:23
  bottom. But, no, the Bills are – they felt more
• 41:32
  back to normal. Like, Cook was cooking like he
• 41:35
  should. Oh, for sure. And the way they've built
• 41:40
  their team is really good for cold weather. True.
• 41:47
  Like, it's nice when they don't have to rely
• 41:50
  on these crazy – like crazy receivers, like ridiculous
• 41:59
  throws, pinpoint accuracy, because you know you're
• 42:01
  not going to get as much of that once it gets
• 42:04
  cold. It's going to be hard to catch the ball.
• 42:06
  You're not wrong. And Josh Allen, he didn't have
• 42:10
  to throw the ball 20 times. Well, it's one of
• 42:15
  those things where you look in the NFL and some
• 42:17
  of these teams, like right now when I look at
• 42:20
  the NFL, I will see a really elite team. Yeah.
• 42:24
  I think everyone who was elite last year has
• 42:28
  taken a step down. Yeah. Some teams maintain,
• 42:32
  but all the really elite teams have taken a step
• 42:35
  down. And Bills haven't really got better. They
• 42:40
  just stayed the same. But, like, obviously, I
• 42:45
  look at the Ravens. They took a step down. Eagles.
• 42:49
  The Ravens figured out a little bit more this
• 42:51
  week. Yeah, but, like, media has an extra effect
• 42:57
  in the league, especially for the Eagles, because
• 42:59
  they're like the Cowboys. They like a little
• 43:02
  bit of drama. Yeah. It excites them. Yeah. You
• 43:05
  know what I mean? They need that motivation.
• 43:07
  Well, we have to have something to talk about.
• 43:10
  Exactly. It's us. We're the media now. Yeah.
• 43:13
  You hate on something enough, you just join the
• 43:15
  crew. Yo, NFL, send us their game so we can do
• 43:17
  this live. Yeah. We'll go to whatever game. Yeah,
• 43:23
  send us even to the international ones if you
• 43:25
  really want to. Send us to Madrid. Yeah, we'll
• 43:28
  go to Madrid to watch the Jags play the Falcons.
• 43:32
  Sure, why not? Yeah, why not? Yo, if it's on
• 43:35
  the NFL, let's do it. Let's do it. One day. One
• 43:40
  day. We'll get there. 49ers in Texas. We said
• 43:44
  NFL, so they're just going to shut us down. 49ers
• 43:49
  and Texans. 15 -26 for the Texans. Yeah, that
• 43:56
  was surprising. Like, I get it. The Niners are
• 44:03
  completely injury -riddled. They've got nobody
• 44:07
  healthy. They got CMC. That's true. Like, that's
• 44:13
  kind of their identity right now. Which sucks.
• 44:16
  Like... They would be such a scary team if they
• 44:20
  could stay healthy. But, like, in the first half,
• 44:24
  they had five minutes of possession. Which is
• 44:31
  weird. How? Five minutes of possession to the
• 44:35
  Texans, like, 25. Texans really needed that game,
• 44:39
  though. They did. Like, that was the get -right
• 44:44
  game for them, hopefully. Now, I want to write
• 44:48
  home about it. Like, I wouldn't say, like, after
• 44:50
  this, they're going to win a ton of games. But
• 44:53
  it also helps that locker room just a little
• 44:55
  bit longer being like, okay, we're on the right
• 44:57
  path. Let's keep taking out so we can get some
• 45:01
  draft picks to help us. But it's almost not fair,
• 45:04
  though, when you're playing a team that's that
• 45:05
  injured. Because, like... It's definitely not
• 45:10
  fair for the fans. No. Well, it sucks because,
• 45:13
  like, you go, like... Everyone that bought a
• 45:16
  jersey for that team, that guy's probably not
• 45:19
  playing. But it's basically like the Texans minus
• 45:25
  Nico Collins are playing against the Niners team
• 45:32
  that they would put in preseason. Actually, yeah.
• 45:37
  So like, and we all, nobody watches preseason
• 45:42
  because you're just like, nobody's playing that
• 45:44
  I like watching. Yeah, because it's only people
• 45:46
  fighting for a starting job or to be on the bench.
• 45:50
  Yeah. And then once they're not on the bench,
• 45:52
  they're off the bench. Well, I'm sure the Niners
• 45:57
  at this point are like, guys, go play really
• 45:59
  hard, but not too hard. We want you coming back
• 46:02
  next week. I feel like that's got to get in their
• 46:05
  heads, too. Let's say you're the sixth receiver
• 46:12
  on the team. One, two, three, four, go down.
• 46:18
  Now you only got two receivers left and a tight
• 46:20
  end. And you're like, I can't get injured. And
• 46:29
  it's crazy because you're like, you're finally
• 46:31
  getting your shot. You're like, I got to hold
• 46:33
  back because I don't want to get hurt. That's
• 46:35
  tough. That's a mental thing, though. Yeah. That
• 46:40
  would hurt the integrity of a lot of players.
• 46:44
  Yeah, I think it's crazy, though, that the Texans
• 46:49
  never pulled away in that game. It was 16 -7
• 46:54
  at the half. How are you only winning 16 -7 when
• 46:59
  you have the ball five times longer? Well, that
• 47:04
  tells you a lot about them, though. Yeah. Against
• 47:09
  a preseason team, there's a lot more issues there
• 47:12
  than there is. That's one of those, yeah, you
• 47:17
  can get away with a lot more when you're not
• 47:19
  playing the All -Stars. Or because they knew
• 47:21
  who they were playing, they were taking more
• 47:23
  risks because they knew they could beat a preseason
• 47:26
  team. I don't think so. I know. I'm just trying
• 47:31
  to dabble up a little thing. But, hey, they won.
• 47:39
  They got their win. Stop watching baseball. We
• 47:48
  know Shohei Okani just hit the ball. I thought
• 47:51
  it was a home run. That's why I had to look up
• 47:53
  for a second. Okay. All right. All right. All
• 47:56
  right. This is what I wanted to get into, though.
• 47:59
  Giants at the Eagles. 20 -38, the redemption
• 48:02
  game. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to start on the Giants.
• 48:11
  Cam Scadaboo. Thank God it was only a dislocated
• 48:15
  ankle. It's just dislocated. Nothing's broken.
• 48:18
  He had surgery. As of right now, reported, the
• 48:24
  surgery went well. That's good. But it was only
• 48:26
  a dislocated ankle, which if physio and everything
• 48:31
  goes according to plan. Six to eight weeks. So
• 48:35
  that's what? Mid to late December? I don't know
• 48:42
  if they're going to be in playoff contention
• 48:44
  at that point. I think it needed to be the combination
• 48:47
  of both Jackson Dart and Cam Scadaboo to make
• 48:52
  the playoffs. Tracy has a lot more work to do
• 48:55
  now as a sophomore running back to maintain that
• 49:00
  type of energy. I don't think anyone's got that
• 49:02
  type of energy. Well, after seeing it and seeing
• 49:05
  how it worked, maybe it sparked a little plug.
• 49:11
  But I think the Giants are going to be solid
• 49:15
  next year. Jackson Dart's going to get a lot
• 49:19
  more experience. He's going to get experience
• 49:21
  this year working the struggle. Then next year,
• 49:26
  he's going to get neighbors back. Who will have
• 49:28
  been out for almost a full year. With an ACL.
• 49:31
  With his ACL. So he'll be back and pretty much
• 49:33
  good to go. Yep. Like I know there's a little
• 49:38
  bit of pullback every time someone's had an injury.
• 49:42
  What did I text you last night? About the Giants.
• 49:48
  I don't know. What did you text me last night?
• 49:50
  Just imagine that next year when they get Malik
• 49:54
  Neighbors back. Yeah. Kim Scadaboo back. Yeah.
• 49:58
  And say George Pickens joins the Giants. Oh,
• 50:03
  yeah. That would be sick. Because right now,
• 50:06
  when I look at that offense, they are missing.
• 50:08
  They'll have the money. Exactly. They have the
• 50:10
  money. Malik Nabors is still the number one.
• 50:13
  Yeah. George Pickens, who's playing like a number
• 50:15
  one in Dallas, goes to the Giants with the energy
• 50:19
  there. Yeah. His attitude doesn't really matter
• 50:22
  because I don't see his attitude anymore. I think
• 50:24
  his attitude would be good in New York, though.
• 50:26
  They'll like that. Like, you look at that, and
• 50:30
  that's a complete team. Yeah. Right? And so they
• 50:33
  can do that, and then they can spend all of their
• 50:38
  draft capital on beefing up their O -line, getting
• 50:43
  those last couple missing pieces on defense.
• 50:47
  I'm just saying. It's not too far. Maybe working
• 50:51
  on some special teams. Maybe get a kicker early
• 50:53
  so they don't. They can work on a little bit
• 50:55
  on their defense. Yeah. But, like, they're not
• 50:58
  far away. Yeah. And, like, Jackson Darden. They're
• 51:01
  knocking on the door for you. Now, I don't want
• 51:04
  that, but it's predictable. But it's fun to watch.
• 51:08
  Yeah. They're super entertaining. Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:11
  Now, we'll see, though, because what always happens
• 51:14
  in the NFL, though, is a rookie quarterback.
• 51:18
  has a sophomore slump. Yeah. If you get George
• 51:21
  Pickens, there's a potential that that doesn't
• 51:23
  happen. Yeah, I wonder if it'll be how much of
• 51:26
  a sophomore slump it'll be if he struggles all
• 51:30
  this year and then all of a sudden gets a bunch
• 51:32
  of weapons. Because that's going to be a major
• 51:36
  upgrade for the team. Yeah, we have to see if
• 51:38
  he struggles now moving forward. But on the other
• 51:45
  hand, the Eagles. Woo! Yeah, what a first play,
• 51:49
  eh? I was like, okay, all right. It's funny how
• 51:54
  an old line can change things. Yeah. Shout out
• 51:59
  to Brendan Graham on retiring. Is he back with
• 52:03
  the team now? Yeah, I think he'll be playing
• 52:05
  next week. That's wild. Yeah, yeah. It took that
• 52:09
  one guy, I can't even name it, whoever he was.
• 52:12
  He wasn't that important on D, retiring. Boom.
• 52:15
  Thank you. You gave us the opportunity to get
• 52:18
  Brandon Graham. Like, I am looking forward to
• 52:22
  our defense being better because we need that
• 52:24
  locker room help. Yeah. Sorry. They need that
• 52:27
  locker room help. I wish I was in the locker
• 52:29
  room, but yeah. Giant, like, Barkley, finally
• 52:35
  running for over 100 yards. Well, I mean, you
• 52:39
  knew he better run for over 100 yards when his
• 52:41
  first run is 65. Yeah, so he finished with 150
• 52:44
  yards. Yeah, there you go. Jalen Hurts threw
• 52:48
  four TD passes. Yeah. That's crazy for him. Did
• 52:54
  he run any in? I don't think he ran any in. Pardon?
• 52:57
  I don't think Jalen Hurts ran any in. No. It's
• 53:00
  crazy. Right? Devontae Smith got a touchdown.
• 53:04
  Dallas Goddard got a bunch of touchdowns. Yeah,
• 53:07
  it's tight end week. Yeah. Great. So, like, you
• 53:12
  take that all out of consideration, it's, like,
• 53:14
  it's kind of wicked. Yeah. Yeah, man. And, like,
• 53:20
  A .J. Brown with a hamstring injury. So, like,
• 53:23
  the speculation right now is that he was going
• 53:26
  to get traded or whatever, so that's why he took
• 53:29
  the injury. A lot of people are saying that they're
• 53:33
  going to trade him. It's like, no, you don't
• 53:35
  want to trade A .J. Brown because when push comes
• 53:39
  to shove, funny he is really good he's really
• 53:42
  good and if if everyone's having a bad game he's
• 53:47
  the only one that can step up to the plate the
• 53:49
  problem is like when you so there's people that
• 53:55
  are that good you like he is that guy right now
• 53:58
  but if if he drops off at all then he literally
• 54:05
  just becomes a locker room cancer And that's
• 54:09
  when they should get him out. You got to look
• 54:12
  at it from this perspective, too. The Eagles
• 54:14
  are built to beat any team. Yeah. Right? Where
• 54:17
  there's some teams that they're built to beat
• 54:20
  running teams. They're built to beat air teams.
• 54:24
  They're built to beat, like, grid house teams,
• 54:27
  West Coast style. Where the Eagles, each player
• 54:30
  is destined to beat a team. A .J. Brown. oh,
• 54:34
  you want to blitz a lot? A .J. Brown's going
• 54:36
  to always be open. Yeah. Because you're leaving
• 54:38
  a guy open. Oh, you know, you're going to...
• 54:41
  The problem is when they play a bunch of the
• 54:43
  same style all the time, and... Every week is
• 54:47
  different, though. Yeah. So... But when the players
• 54:53
  are starting to think, like, hey, I'm not getting
• 54:55
  the ball, and they start making a big stink about
• 54:57
  it, that starts to... It's long game, not short
• 54:59
  term. Yeah. Yeah. I think sometimes they got
• 55:03
  to start realizing that. Yep. And go like, all
• 55:07
  right, well, we're not going to get you. You're
• 55:10
  going to get three targets this week. Next week
• 55:12
  you're going to get 12. So you never know. I
• 55:17
  got to say after this week, though, Jalen Hurts
• 55:22
  is back in the top ten quarterback. In two weeks,
• 55:27
  he has 15 touchdowns. Sorry, in the past three
• 55:31
  weeks. Three weeks? The past three weeks, he's
• 55:34
  recorded 15 throwing touchdowns. With one interception.
• 55:41
  15 in three weeks? So he got four this week.
• 55:45
  Which game did he get six in? The past three
• 55:49
  weeks? Four this week. I believe it was five
• 55:55
  last week. Was it? Oh, yeah. I don't know. We'll
• 56:01
  fact check it. Yeah. But, like, in the past few
• 56:05
  weeks, he has reported a lot more with one interception.
• 56:08
  Yeah. He's playing a lot better. So, it's either,
• 56:12
  you know, he's listening to podcasts like us.
• 56:14
  Yeah. To the media like Stephen A. and Shannon
• 56:18
  Sharp and all of them. And the whole organization
• 56:21
  paying attention. But they are playing a lot
• 56:24
  better. And, like, they're throwing, they're
• 56:27
  slinging that ball. Yeah. So. Yeah, it's looking
• 56:31
  a lot more fun to watch. Yes. Now, after the
• 56:39
  Eagles game, we can talk about the Browns and
• 56:43
  the Patriots. I feel so sorry for Miles Garrett.
• 56:47
  Five sacks sets the franchise record and still
• 56:51
  loses? And then at the presser, he goes, I would
• 56:55
  give up my performance for a win. The thing is,
• 57:00
  he did it to himself. 100%. Yeah, 100 % did it
• 57:03
  to himself. You wanted the money. He was like,
• 57:06
  no, I want to go to a winning team. And then
• 57:07
  they sent him a check, and he's like, I'm a Cleveland
• 57:11
  Brown. Like, that's what you signed up for. Like,
• 57:18
  yes, they're in a rebuild all the time. When
• 57:23
  the defense is the only good thing. The Bengals
• 57:26
  still have the same problem. I watched that game.
• 57:30
  The defense wasn't that good. Miles Garrett had
• 57:34
  an amazing game, but the CBs on that team were
• 57:39
  horrible. It kind of reminds me of last year
• 57:42
  when Trey Hendricks was breaking records getting
• 57:46
  all these sacks, but the defense was still getting
• 57:48
  lit up. Also, you get a lot more opportunities
• 57:52
  to get sacks when you're on the field all the
• 57:54
  time. Right? Right. It was pretty bad. And, like,
• 58:01
  back to the Shedura thing, Dylan Gabriel is supposed
• 58:05
  to be on the field now because he's supposed
• 58:07
  to be the smarter quarterback. I think he's going
• 58:09
  to get one, maybe two more games. I don't want
• 58:12
  Shedura to go in. Under that offense, under that
• 58:16
  coach. Now, don't get me wrong. He shot himself
• 58:21
  in the foot because he had a chance to play for
• 58:23
  the Ravens. He had a chance to play for the Eagles.
• 58:25
  He had a chance to play. Well, I mean, he wouldn't
• 58:27
  have been playing for the Eagles. He would have
• 58:30
  been backing up and learning. Yeah. But he was
• 58:32
  like, no, I want the team to start. He would
• 58:35
  have been playing for the Ravens. Instead of
• 58:38
  Tyler Huntley or Snoop Huntley playing. Instead
• 58:42
  of Cooper Rush first. It could have been Shadur.
• 58:46
  Yeah. I just think now if Shadur plays this year,
• 58:51
  it's just setting him up for failure. Oh, yeah.
• 58:54
  But it's still reps. Understandable, but the
• 58:58
  team's not going to be doing it for his benefit
• 59:01
  because they don't care about him. They don't
• 59:03
  have any respect for him. Yeah. They're not trying
• 59:05
  to put him in a better situation. Like Jackson
• 59:08
  Dart. Yeah. Where Jackson Dart was in a great
• 59:12
  situation where the whole team cared and everyone
• 59:15
  was on board. Yeah. Now it's just like, oh, we're
• 59:18
  on to the next. But Dylan Gabriel is not doing
• 59:22
  enough to even earn his spot. No, he's not playing
• 59:27
  like a starter. And if Joe Flacco couldn't do
• 59:31
  well there, no quarterback's going to do well
• 59:33
  there. Yeah. But Drake May. Drake May, MVP candidate.
• 59:42
  Top five. Yeah. He's playing unreal. Top five.
• 59:47
  Kind of annoying that the Patriots are leading
• 59:49
  the division again. Yeah, Nation. Their slump
• 59:53
  was not very big. It wasn't that long. Yeah.
• 59:58
  Like, you get rid of Belichick, you get another
• 1:00:00
  coach in, then you get Frank Vago. Yeah. Rabel?
• 1:00:04
  Vago. I can never say his name. Yeah, I don't
• 1:00:07
  know what that is. Yeah, it is what it is. But,
• 1:00:09
  like, they focus on defense. They have that winning.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah. Diggs is playing well because we all wrote
• 1:00:16
  Diggs after Houston. Yeah. Like, it's a complete
• 1:00:21
  team. Even the running game's there. Yeah. Like,
• 1:00:25
  he's playing great. Right now, I have Jalen Hurts,
• 1:00:30
  maybe six, on my top MVP race right now. Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Baker's dropped. Yeah, Baker didn't have a good
• 1:00:42
  game this week. Baker's dropped. But I would
• 1:00:45
  say... Drake May is probably... Drake May, Daniel
• 1:00:51
  Jones. No. Jonathan Taylor. Jonathan Taylor.
• 1:00:56
  Then... Then Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones. Daniel
• 1:00:59
  Jones with an asterisk. You know what I mean?
• 1:01:04
  Yeah. Then you could put in Drake May. You could
• 1:01:07
  put Sam Donald. Yeah. Like... Yeah, no, it's
• 1:01:14
  getting there. Like, we're learning a lot. Eventually,
• 1:01:19
  we can then put in Patrick Mahomes. Next week,
• 1:01:22
  after the Ravens' bye, we can put in Lamar Jackson
• 1:01:25
  because those are clear. Your best player's not
• 1:01:29
  there. Yeah, but he's got to play well first.
• 1:01:33
  This is the rush that they need. They got the
• 1:01:35
  win last week. Yeah, but he had a good game against
• 1:01:42
  the Bills, then they lost. He had half a game
• 1:01:45
  against the Chiefs, and they lost. That's it
• 1:01:48
  for this year. I mean, you can't really put him
• 1:01:54
  in the MVP as an MVP candidate because he's got
• 1:02:00
  zero wins. Yeah, but outside of the top five
• 1:02:04
  that we're talking about, we know that... Yeah,
• 1:02:06
  but that's just on name alone. Yeah. The other
• 1:02:08
  ones are just, we're just going to throw their
• 1:02:10
  days because you deserve to be in the race, even
• 1:02:13
  though we know you're not going to win. Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  That's true, but still. But talking about the
• 1:02:18
  Ravens, the Ravens and the Bears, 60 -30. The
• 1:02:23
  Bears. The Bears. They... I thought they were
• 1:02:28
  going to be better this game, but like... Why?
• 1:02:31
  Well, just because the Ravens have been bad.
• 1:02:33
  But the Ravens are coming off a bye, and they
• 1:02:35
  usually play pretty well off a bye. A mini -bye,
• 1:02:37
  yeah. Yeah. No, it was a full bye. No, they set
• 1:02:41
  the bye this week. This week their bye? They're
• 1:02:46
  going to their bye right now. Oh, damn. They
• 1:02:48
  played a Thursday nighter. Oh, yeah. They had
• 1:02:51
  a mini -bye. But this game kind of just shows
• 1:02:59
  you. How much of a difference a quarterback,
• 1:03:03
  a backup quarterback having the same style as
• 1:03:06
  the starting quarterback makes a difference.
• 1:03:09
  Because Cooper Rush, he has the same style as
• 1:03:13
  Dak. That's why he was such a good backup in
• 1:03:17
  Dallas. Because nothing changed. Because nothing
• 1:03:18
  changed. Tyler Huntley, he's been the backup
• 1:03:23
  for the... Some people agree with my take. But
• 1:03:30
  he's been the backup. He's been the backup for
• 1:03:36
  Lamar for a while now. And he's come in a handful
• 1:03:39
  of times. And he isn't the same as Lamar, but
• 1:03:45
  he runs around in a similar way. So he knows
• 1:03:49
  where the pocket spaces are the same way Lamar
• 1:03:52
  does. Whereas Cooper Rush is totally different.
• 1:03:56
  But it was like... This week was like the running
• 1:04:01
  backs who were MVP talks of last year finally
• 1:04:05
  got it going. Yeah. Because like Derrick Henry
• 1:04:08
  finally was a powerhouse. He finally got touches.
• 1:04:12
  Yeah. Look what happens when you... I mean, he
• 1:04:14
  didn't actually get a ton of yards, but he got
• 1:04:16
  two touchdowns. Yeah. He actually was allowed
• 1:04:18
  to touch the ball. They weren't limiting him.
• 1:04:20
  Yeah. So... Well, they got to do that if they
• 1:04:23
  want to win. But... I think we might see the
• 1:04:31
  slowest end to Caleb Williams' career. Because
• 1:04:35
  if Ben Johnson can't get Caleb Williams to buy
• 1:04:40
  into the system. He's going to try and get rid
• 1:04:43
  of him. Then there's no hope for him. Because
• 1:04:47
  if your ego is too big to listen to your coach.
• 1:04:52
  He's shipping them off to the Steelers. even
• 1:04:55
  the Steelers won't be able to help him. Yeah,
• 1:04:58
  I know, but the Steelers just rotate through
• 1:05:01
  quarterbacks that nobody wants. Yeah, it's starting
• 1:05:04
  to show now because this was a clear game for
• 1:05:09
  Caleb Williams to win. Oh, yeah. And if you're
• 1:05:13
  not going to do the necessary stuff to follow
• 1:05:16
  your reads, if you're holding the ball too long,
• 1:05:19
  he was great when he won a Heisman. Since then,
• 1:05:24
  Yeah, but that's a lot of ad -living. I know.
• 1:05:26
  And just being the most athletic guy on the field.
• 1:05:29
  You can't do that in the NFL. You're not wrong.
• 1:05:32
  Like, you're not that much better than the guys
• 1:05:35
  chasing you. But he still thinks he's the best.
• 1:05:37
  Yeah. He's the best thing since Jesus. Well,
• 1:05:40
  yeah. But I don't think Ben Johnson's going to
• 1:05:43
  put up with it. Like, there's a difference between
• 1:05:46
  when... A head coach picks their quarterback
• 1:05:53
  like Sean Payton did with Bo Nix. Yep. Versus
• 1:05:58
  when they get thrown into with a quarterback
• 1:06:02
  like Sean Payton did with Russell Wilson. But
• 1:06:05
  the difference with Ben Johnson was they picked
• 1:06:09
  Ben Johnson to work with Caleb Williams. He accepted
• 1:06:13
  that job to fix Caleb Williams. Yeah. Because
• 1:06:16
  Caleb Williams was in a bad situation. But sometimes
• 1:06:20
  it's hard to fix. Well, you're like picking up
• 1:06:23
  someone else's garbage. Yeah. You're trying to
• 1:06:25
  fix things that like it's hard to mold someone
• 1:06:31
  that has that big of an ego. Oh, for sure. Okay.
• 1:06:41
  Captain Jack Sparrow versus the Falcons because
• 1:06:46
  two would turn the loba. You are so bad at his
• 1:06:50
  name. Yeah. I was going to say Tua. Just use
• 1:06:54
  his first name. Tua, 34 -10 against the Falcons
• 1:06:58
  when it was Kirk Cousins. But Tua only had one
• 1:07:04
  eye. Oh, yeah. One was swollen shut. Yeah, because
• 1:07:07
  he got sick last night or the night before. And
• 1:07:11
  I was actually listening to the Speakeasy podcast.
• 1:07:15
  earlier today, and one of the guys who just recently
• 1:07:18
  got married was just like, well, he must have
• 1:07:21
  went out last night and then woke up with the
• 1:07:24
  stolen eye. But he's married, so that's not actually
• 1:07:32
  true. You still get punched in the head when
• 1:07:34
  you're married. Yeah. Happy life, happy wife?
• 1:07:39
  Is that what they say? You never know. I do not
• 1:07:44
  understand the Falcons. I do not understand them
• 1:07:48
  at all. They're so up and down. And it's not
• 1:07:52
  even just like, oh, we lost a game we should
• 1:07:55
  have won. We get blown out when we should have
• 1:07:58
  won. We blow out a team that we have no business
• 1:08:02
  beating. But then we get blown out again by a
• 1:08:05
  team we should have beat. It doesn't make any
• 1:08:08
  sense. No, it doesn't. I know they didn't have
• 1:08:12
  Drake May, but like... They had Kirk Cousins
• 1:08:15
  in, which one would assume would be better. Well,
• 1:08:18
  you're paying your backup more than you're paying
• 1:08:20
  your rookie, and obviously it's due to situation.
• 1:08:23
  Yeah. But, like, you had all the faith in your
• 1:08:25
  backup quarterback because he was your starting
• 1:08:27
  quarterback at one point. Yeah. I don't get it.
• 1:08:31
  So either it's just the organization and, like,
• 1:08:34
  the scheming is not working with the coaches
• 1:08:36
  and so forth. But it could also be a little bit
• 1:08:38
  of the... Different styles. Different styles.
• 1:08:41
  Because Kirk Cousins right -handed. Michael Penix
• 1:08:44
  is left -handed. Yes. I'm going to get us a teleprompter
• 1:08:52
  with phonetics so you can pronounce some of these
• 1:08:56
  quarterback names. Penix. Yeah. But, yeah. Well,
• 1:09:08
  that's what it comes down to, the style. You
• 1:09:11
  have to completely flip your offense. You have
• 1:09:13
  a mobile left -handed quarterback versus a pocket
• 1:09:17
  -passing right -handed quarterback. It's two
• 1:09:20
  different styles. It's totally different. Your
• 1:09:21
  own line has to adapt totally different. It's
• 1:09:24
  horrible. Well, even your running back. You're
• 1:09:27
  probably running on the opposite side of the
• 1:09:29
  quarterback now. We're talking about it because
• 1:09:36
  this makes common sense to us. Yeah. You'd think
• 1:09:39
  at that level, when we're talking about professionals,
• 1:09:42
  that it should be like, oh, we need to get the
• 1:09:46
  right person. I want my backup quarterback to
• 1:09:50
  be a clone of my starting quarterback. That way
• 1:09:54
  they can come in. If that's the style you like,
• 1:09:57
  and you can find a backup, don't just grab the
• 1:10:00
  next best guy. Whoever you think is the best
• 1:10:05
  quarterback for another organization. Because
• 1:10:07
  they have a totally different offense. That's
• 1:10:09
  true. You want someone that's going to work with
• 1:10:12
  your offense, not have to change everything for
• 1:10:14
  it. Oh, for sure. But. All right. Bucks up the
• 1:10:24
  Saints. 23 -3. Well, a big show is not a show.
• 1:10:30
  Yeah, it was definitely a no -show. Yeah, no
• 1:10:33
  show there. It's a lot of field goals. How many
• 1:10:37
  again? What was it? Three 50 -plus yarders, a
• 1:10:44
  40 -plus yarder. So in fantasy, if you had an
• 1:10:49
  extra point. Laughlin. If anyone doesn't get
• 1:10:57
  that joke, that's the last name of the kicker
• 1:11:00
  on the Bucs. What's your biggest take on that,
• 1:11:05
  though? Well, I think not having a lot of weapons
• 1:11:12
  finally caught up. Yep. Bucky Irving came back.
• 1:11:18
  Yep. So he was doing a little bit more, which
• 1:11:22
  is nice. That kind of took a little bit of a
• 1:11:28
  load off of Baker because Baker's had to shoulder
• 1:11:30
  everything for so long. And eventually, your
• 1:11:35
  back gets sore. But their defense stepped up.
• 1:11:40
  It started off with a defensive score, a bunch
• 1:11:44
  of special teams scoring. I know a lot of people,
• 1:11:49
  everyone that had Baker in fantasy was kind of
• 1:11:51
  pissed because he only got like four points,
• 1:11:53
  but he still threw a lot. Only four points, yes.
• 1:11:56
  I lost my week because of that. Yeah, so. But
• 1:12:02
  I think Spencer Radler might be done. Not from
• 1:12:09
  an injury, just because. He's not good enough,
• 1:12:12
  unfortunately. He's not good enough. He's not
• 1:12:14
  hacking it. He's going to be back then. But,
• 1:12:17
  I mean, it's a rebuild year. They have two rookie
• 1:12:22
  quarterbacks. So they're, what's his name? Tyler
• 1:12:32
  something? I can't remember. It's new guys. They're
• 1:12:40
  rebuilding. We'll see. Eventually someone will
• 1:12:43
  come out and be like, hey, I'm going to take
• 1:12:46
  control. I'm going to be a leader on this team.
• 1:12:48
  Yeah, it has to eventually. It's going to happen.
• 1:12:52
  It's going to be a slow process due to the fact
• 1:12:54
  that Kellen Moore is now the head coach. Yeah,
• 1:12:57
  he's got to rebuild everything. Unlearn the bad
• 1:13:01
  habits. Build some good culture. We'll go from
• 1:13:04
  there. I feel like a lot of teams, though, they
• 1:13:08
  take situations like that and they'll be like,
• 1:13:10
  we don't have enough wins. You're gone. Next.
• 1:13:14
  And they want that win now, head coach, which
• 1:13:17
  is impossible because you have to build. Yeah,
• 1:13:20
  building a culture doesn't happen overnight.
• 1:13:22
  It's different when you have teams that are like
• 1:13:24
  the Dolphins or the Bengals, who should be good
• 1:13:31
  and were projected to be a lot better, or even
• 1:13:36
  like the Ravens. That happens and you start immediately
• 1:13:41
  talking about, oh, maybe the coaching isn't that
• 1:13:45
  good. Maybe it's just a star player carrying
• 1:13:48
  them. True. But with a bunch of rookie teams,
• 1:13:55
  they got a lot of work to do. It'll eventually
• 1:13:58
  happen. Yeah, they'll get there. I like your
• 1:14:02
  note on this one for the next game. Oh, God,
• 1:14:06
  what did I write? What game is it? Cowgirls versus
• 1:14:09
  the Broncos. Oh, yeah. I feel like I'm in Calgary
• 1:14:13
  right now. Man, this was a bad game for those
• 1:14:22
  boys. Yeah. And they had all their weapons, too.
• 1:14:27
  Except, well, they don't have any defense. Well,
• 1:14:30
  yeah, those are weapons. That's their shield.
• 1:14:34
  They got the sword. The sword didn't work very
• 1:14:36
  well. But you can't play. It's hard to play offense
• 1:14:43
  when your offense isn't firing on all cylinders
• 1:14:46
  and they don't get enough chances on the field.
• 1:14:49
  If you can't create stops, no one would have
• 1:14:54
  expected the Broncos to go out two games in a
• 1:14:58
  row of over 30 points. Over 33, yeah. Bo Nix
• 1:15:03
  is playing great. Okay. I was taking a take,
• 1:15:08
  and I just want your opinion on this. In the
• 1:15:11
  AFC, are the Broncos the best team in the AFC?
• 1:15:16
  Because they've beaten the best team in the NFC.
• 1:15:20
  and they've beaten the best team in the AFC.
• 1:15:23
  True. So, and if you look at who they've played,
• 1:15:27
  they're kind of the best team in the league.
• 1:15:31
  Yeah, they have had a, when you say they beat
• 1:15:34
  the best team in the league, you're talking about
• 1:15:35
  when they beat the Bengals, right? No, I'm just
• 1:15:40
  kidding. No. I can't even say that with a straight
• 1:15:46
  face. I can't, I can't, I can't. But, no, they're
• 1:15:53
  playing great. But that's what I mean about having
• 1:15:58
  your head coach pick the quarterback that they
• 1:16:01
  want. And get rid of the... Yeah, that whole
• 1:16:05
  him and Russ feud thing is a whole other story.
• 1:16:08
  Yeah, it's going to ruin Russ' career. Especially
• 1:16:11
  when, like, after that last game last week, Sean
• 1:16:15
  Payton says, oh... We were hoping to play Jackson
• 1:16:19
  Derr a little bit later than Russ actually clapped
• 1:16:22
  back. Yeah. Well, I think it's just funny because
• 1:16:25
  they're like, no, we wanted to play him because,
• 1:16:28
  like, when you know someone, you're like, oh,
• 1:16:31
  no, we can capitalize. I can scheme on that.
• 1:16:34
  And he's like, I wanted to retire him. Yes. Yes.
• 1:16:39
  Yeah. That was clearly what was going on, but
• 1:16:41
  they'll never tell us that. Yeah. But, yeah.
• 1:16:47
  Bonix is up there now. Bonix is up there. And
• 1:16:51
  they're spreading it around a lot. It's a great
• 1:16:54
  culture. They're building something good over
• 1:16:58
  there. They couldn't even capitalize when Patrick
• 1:17:04
  Sertan went down. Which is weird. Their number
• 1:17:10
  one corner goes down before the end of half.
• 1:17:14
  He has a pec injury or something. He's going
• 1:17:17
  to be out another four to six weeks. That's another
• 1:17:20
  quarterback that was in the MVP talk that kind
• 1:17:23
  of dropped down this week. The offense just couldn't
• 1:17:28
  get it going. The people on the defense in Dallas,
• 1:17:35
  at this point, you need to get fired. Whatever
• 1:17:39
  you're doing is not working. I feel like that's
• 1:17:41
  our solution to everything. Just fire everybody.
• 1:17:44
  Okay, yes. They're like, who's going to replace
• 1:17:47
  them? Another fired coach? Another guy that got
• 1:17:52
  cut? Unless Dallas scores over 45 points, they're
• 1:17:59
  not winning a game. That's true. It's literally
• 1:18:02
  what the Bengals went through last year. You
• 1:18:04
  have to drop over 40 points a game. Well, if
• 1:18:08
  we had to drop 40 points this week, we would
• 1:18:10
  have won. That's why I said 45. But you have
• 1:18:14
  to be dropping that many points to even have
• 1:18:16
  a chance because we know your defense is turnstile.
• 1:18:21
  Yeah. The only chance you have is that the other
• 1:18:27
  team scores fast enough that you get the ball
• 1:18:30
  back. And that's not good. You need to score
• 1:18:34
  first. Yeah. And no punting or turnovers. Yeah,
• 1:18:41
  none of that. No, it sucks when your team can't
• 1:18:44
  play complimentary football and they can't. Like
• 1:18:48
  when one side of the ball is completely inept
• 1:18:50
  and the other side is doing well, doing what
• 1:18:53
  they're supposed to be doing, putting up the
• 1:18:55
  numbers that you'd expect out of them. But the
• 1:18:59
  other side of the coin is so bad that they can't
• 1:19:02
  do anything. That's what it comes down to, though.
• 1:19:05
  Yeah. All right. Titans and the Colts. 14 -38
• 1:19:16
  for the Colts. Hey, the Colts are playing really
• 1:19:22
  well. They're doing what they have to do. That's
• 1:19:25
  the result you expect playing the Titans. Okay.
• 1:19:30
  From a good team playing against a bad team.
• 1:19:35
  that's the result you expect. Jonathan Taylor,
• 1:19:38
  153 yards. Yeah, doing whatever he wants. He's
• 1:19:42
  going to end up in the MVP conversation himself.
• 1:19:44
  He's not going to win because he's basically
• 1:19:46
  a quarterback. He's a running back, yeah. It's
• 1:19:48
  a quarterback contest. But offensive player of
• 1:19:50
  the year. There's no one else better, and he's
• 1:19:55
  consistent. I don't know, JSN's playing really
• 1:19:58
  well. True. True. But not like Jonathan Taylor.
• 1:20:02
  Jonathan Taylor had a bum year last year. And
• 1:20:05
  the year before because they drafted him both
• 1:20:07
  years. But now you look at him consistently doing
• 1:20:12
  the same thing every single week. Was this his
• 1:20:15
  fourth game with three touchdowns? And this week
• 1:20:19
  was a reception touchdown. Yeah. He's doing it
• 1:20:24
  all. It's nice to see. It's good for them. I
• 1:20:31
  like that Daniel Jones doesn't have to do it
• 1:20:35
  all. It's back to that concept of it's a great
• 1:20:40
  culture. This is what happens when you put a
• 1:20:46
  functioning quarterback in a solid, in a good
• 1:20:49
  team. They can have... Great results. You're
• 1:20:53
  not asking more from your quarterback. Yeah.
• 1:20:56
  You're asking him to do his job. You're asking
• 1:20:58
  your running back to do his job. You're asking
• 1:21:00
  the O -line to do its job. Everyone is just doing
• 1:21:03
  their job, and it's working. Yeah, and the results
• 1:21:06
  speak for themselves. Right? It's not like a
• 1:21:09
  key, like, they have the key players, but it's
• 1:21:13
  not like their key players have to bear the whole
• 1:21:16
  load. Yeah. You know what I mean? Everyone is
• 1:21:20
  carrying the casket. Together. And they're winning.
• 1:21:23
  Yeah, and they're dancing away. Dancing away
• 1:21:26
  with whoever they're playing against. Yeah, literally.
• 1:21:32
  Crazy. You want to talk about the worst game
• 1:21:35
  this week, though? What was the worst game this
• 1:21:38
  week? The Packers and the Steelers. Because that
• 1:21:41
  jersey was horrible. Yeah, let's talk about that
• 1:21:44
  again. You can't match those jerseys with those
• 1:21:47
  helmets. At least... But yellow goes so well
• 1:21:51
  with beige. Oh, my God. Like, if they had black
• 1:21:55
  pants... Black pants would have been actually
• 1:21:58
  sick. Like, that would have made that whole thing
• 1:22:00
  pop. Yeah, it would have been a bumblebee again.
• 1:22:03
  Yeah. But it would have worked. The... Like,
• 1:22:07
  I just don't understand why they had canary yellow
• 1:22:11
  socks. Like, is this, like, a coal mine thing?
• 1:22:15
  Because they're, like, the Steelers are, like...
• 1:22:18
  I don't know. You know what? We need to find
• 1:22:22
  it. We'll find out the reason. We'll post it
• 1:22:24
  on our Instagram. So definitely follow us on
• 1:22:26
  Instagram. Yeah. Someone's doing that research.
• 1:22:29
  I will do the research. Perfect. Because like,
• 1:22:33
  yeah, the three shades, two shades of yellow
• 1:22:38
  is just weird. Yeah. It started with that yellow.
• 1:22:42
  Yeah. To Matt Canary yellow. Yes. To like. Regular
• 1:22:47
  Steelers yellow. To beige. To beige. To back
• 1:22:53
  to canary yellow. Like what? Make the pants black.
• 1:22:58
  Yeah. It would have worked. Yeah. Like basic
• 1:23:03
  color fundamentals. Yeah. I know they're retro
• 1:23:09
  jerseys. They're trying to bring back the roots.
• 1:23:12
  You can modernize a little bit to make it make
• 1:23:15
  sense. I just like when you're like, I really
• 1:23:18
  like those helmets. I also really like those
• 1:23:21
  jerseys, but not together. It was horrible together.
• 1:23:26
  Yeah. My mind was playing games with me because
• 1:23:30
  I see colors differently. It was like, it doesn't
• 1:23:33
  work. I don't see color. Wow. No, but seriously,
• 1:23:40
  I saw those colors. They're not it. But back
• 1:23:43
  to the game. Back to the game. First half, that
• 1:23:48
  was all Steelers. Yeah. I thought he would have
• 1:23:51
  had his revenge against the team that basically
• 1:23:54
  said, you're too old. We don't want you anymore.
• 1:23:57
  We're moving on from you. And then one offside
• 1:24:01
  call that did not get called. Yeah, but by the
• 1:24:06
  end of the game, they were playing at two different
• 1:24:09
  speeds. Yes. The Packers were playing quick,
• 1:24:14
  young. It was a lot of screen passes, a lot into
• 1:24:19
  the flats. It was a little bit of running. And
• 1:24:23
  then, you know, every so often, Jordan Love would
• 1:24:26
  just throw an air ball up and just land it in
• 1:24:31
  front of one of his members. Yeah. Like, nothing
• 1:24:36
  could go wrong in the second half for them. Well,
• 1:24:38
  and then Parsons was causing all sorts of problems
• 1:24:42
  on their off. Yep. Like, on defense? Man. Yep.
• 1:24:46
  And then it was at that Aaron Rodgers weird...
• 1:24:50
  It was a sack fumble. Nope. It's a... Should
• 1:24:58
  have been an intentional grounding. Intentional
• 1:24:59
  grounding. Nope. Just regular incompletion because
• 1:25:03
  his running back happened to be close to him
• 1:25:06
  when he just threw it at the ground from a foot
• 1:25:09
  away. When it's intentionally grounding anywhere
• 1:25:12
  else, it would have been to somebody. I get that
• 1:25:14
  that's the rule, but he also clearly intentionally
• 1:25:18
  grounded it. That is not throwing a catchable
• 1:25:22
  ball. Yeah. I feel like that's what they need
• 1:25:25
  to change the rule to. Are you throwing a ball
• 1:25:28
  that could be caught by anyone? No one was catching
• 1:25:32
  that ball. Not even the defense. Not your player
• 1:25:35
  was within. No. It needs to be realistically
• 1:25:39
  catchable. Yes. I agree with that statement.
• 1:25:43
  But that's putting more on the refs and giving
• 1:25:46
  them more opportunities to call whatever they
• 1:25:48
  want. So that's another issue. Other than that,
• 1:25:56
  it was the jerseys that really bothered for me.
• 1:26:00
  These are the Steelers jerseys that I like. Yeah.
• 1:26:03
  I don't like. Well, it was just weird to watch
• 1:26:05
  because, like, you see the beige pants and you
• 1:26:08
  see Aaron Rodgers and you're like, oh, yeah,
• 1:26:09
  the Packers are wearing a lot of yellow tonight.
• 1:26:12
  And then you're like, oh, right. Never mind the
• 1:26:14
  Packers or the others. If it was a fashion show,
• 1:26:17
  Green Bay won. If it was a football game, Green
• 1:26:20
  Bay won. Like, for a fashion show, yeah, Green
• 1:26:24
  Bay. Yeah. Green Bay. All right. So it's. I'm
• 1:26:28
  not saying this one because I'm not trying to
• 1:26:30
  get canceled. Commanders versus the Kansas City
• 1:26:33
  Chiefs. I'm not getting canceled for what you
• 1:26:37
  wrote down in our show notes. One day I'm going
• 1:26:39
  to get you canceled. You will never catch me.
• 1:26:41
  Just going to sneak words in there. Nope. Nope.
• 1:26:46
  Who do you have tonight? Personally, I need Debo
• 1:26:54
  Samuels. to put up at least two and a half fantasy
• 1:26:58
  points so I can win. With Marcus Mariota throwing
• 1:27:01
  the ball to him? He can run it. I don't care.
• 1:27:05
  Just do some checkdowns. But I think, honestly,
• 1:27:10
  I think the Chiefs are probably for sure going
• 1:27:17
  to win. I don't think the Commanders are... I
• 1:27:24
  don't think the Commanders are doing very well
• 1:27:26
  when they don't have Daniels in there. Fair.
• 1:27:34
  Like, he's their Lamar Jackson. Yes. When he's
• 1:27:39
  in, they're good. When he's not, they're not.
• 1:27:40
  But he's definitely hitting a sophomore slump.
• 1:27:42
  Yeah. Injuries. Yeah. There's more tape on him.
• 1:27:47
  It's just one of those things. Yeah, so I think
• 1:27:50
  they're going to get eaten alive tonight, to
• 1:27:51
  be honest. I just want it to be competitive.
• 1:27:55
  Yeah. Unfortunately, this is helping Kansas City
• 1:27:58
  get back on track. Yeah. Started off a little
• 1:28:01
  rocky, but now it's consistent. But, like, we're
• 1:28:03
  already in the second half or second quarter,
• 1:28:07
  and no one scored a touchdown. So either the
• 1:28:11
  defense is stepping up right now. But, like,
• 1:28:16
  let's be honest. No one's really paying attention
• 1:28:18
  to the football game today because everyone's
• 1:28:19
  watching. Oh, yeah. There's bigger things going
• 1:28:21
  on. Like the Jays plan? The whole nation's standing
• 1:28:26
  up for this one. Nation's standing? Nation's
• 1:28:28
  here? No, the whole nation. Canada and half of
• 1:28:34
  the states. Yeah. Because most of the states
• 1:28:36
  hate the Dodgers. Yeah, I think that's the biggest
• 1:28:40
  thing. I'm sure everyone's heard a whole bunch
• 1:28:44
  of clapping and screaming throughout the game.
• 1:28:46
  We stopped pro Canada. Yeah. But... It's really
• 1:28:51
  nice hearing that at a bar. Being here, the atmosphere
• 1:28:57
  is crazy. Oh, for sure. Especially at Clubhouse
• 1:29:01
  right now. For the past few games, this place
• 1:29:03
  has been packed. Packed. Especially, what was
• 1:29:07
  it, Saturday night. This place was crazy. Bump
• 1:29:11
  it. There was a prospect MMA fight going upstairs.
• 1:29:16
  Everyone who was watching that came down here
• 1:29:18
  to watch the Jays. So, like, it was rampant.
• 1:29:22
  And it's great for business. Wait, there's an
• 1:29:24
  upstairs? What else is upstairs? So, like, there's
• 1:29:27
  a, like, they can have an arena up there. A lot
• 1:29:30
  of concert halls can be upstairs. Oh. See, this
• 1:29:34
  place just gets bigger and bigger. Yeah. It's
• 1:29:36
  insane. And then if you're listening to this
• 1:29:38
  podcast, if you come tomorrow for the Jays game,
• 1:29:41
  you have a chance to win a Jays jersey, as well
• 1:29:44
  as if the Jays make it to game six. Clubhouse
• 1:29:49
  is giving out tickets to the World Series games.
• 1:29:51
  Oh, yeah? Yeah. That's insane. You can win tickets
• 1:29:55
  to the World Series. All you got to do is come
• 1:29:58
  to Clubhouse. Today would have been a great chance
• 1:30:00
  because your name is going into a ballot for
• 1:30:02
  it. Come to Clubhouse. Get those World Series
• 1:30:07
  tickets. Everyone knows how hard they are to
• 1:30:10
  get. It's true. Get a jersey while you're at
• 1:30:13
  it. I know it's a Steelers jersey. And it's not
• 1:30:17
  as yellow as the other ones, but it is a really
• 1:30:25
  nice jersey. And J .J. Watt's still. T .J. Watt.
• 1:30:29
  T .J. Watt. T .J. Watt. T .J. Watt, we still
• 1:30:32
  love. Yeah. You got to respect it. But overall,
• 1:30:36
  other than that, I think that's another great
• 1:30:40
  episode. So for all the ones that are here watching
• 1:30:43
  the James game, yes, we are giving away. a football
• 1:30:46
  jersey, but we're mostly paying attention to
• 1:30:49
  the Dodgers game. Yeah, we have to. Stop smiling.
• 1:30:59
  You know what? It sucks because I am a Dodgers
• 1:31:02
  fan, but I also want to watch history and watch
• 1:31:05
  Canada win a World Series again. All right. Well,
• 1:31:09
  that's it for this week. Another episode. Fly
• 1:31:12
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