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Breaking Free From All or Nothing Thinking Patterns · Mental Health Today Show | Mental Wellness & Overthinking

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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a mental health today show.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Today we're breaking free from the all or nothing thinking patterns.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever delivered a solid proposal or a presentation that checked every box?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Except for one minor formatting tweak.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Only for your brain to scream, you're a total flop.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What are you thinking?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And clearly not cut out for this role.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If that lands a little too close, you're in good company.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's all or nothing thinking, and it's a tricky cognitive distortion that keeps so many high achievers, professionals, parents, you name it, locked in a perfectionism anxiety cycle.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Once small slip feels like a complete failure feeding over thinking, executive burnout, and that exhausting loop of high achievers stress.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: that inner critic comes out and tells you you're a loser who would listen to you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: See, I knew you couldn't do it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That inner critic can be so vicious at times.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm John Cordray and License Professional Counselor and you're a host here at the Mental Health Today Show and I've walked alongside countless of busy professionals who battled that exact same pattern all the time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: In today's episode, we're unpacking research back to CBT techniques to spot the all-or-nothing thinking, shift into a gray area thinking, and strengthen your emotional resilience and mental wellness.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You'll pick up practical cognitive skills that you can use during your next stressful workday moment in my P today or tomorrow when that decision anxiety or workplace anxiety tries to take over.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is similar to an episode that I did not too long ago on catastrophizing because the cognitive distortions love the crank up the pressure they love to work together.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: By the end of this episode, you'll have fresh anxiety management tools, calm techniques and coping techniques that support anxiety relief across the professional anxiety spectrum.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The social anxiety that you might have, the financial anxiety that you might experience, and more.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: are you ready to break that all or nothing thinking?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get started.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's start by clearly defining what all or nothing thinking looks like in real life.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's that cognitive distortion where your mind ignores every shade of gray and jump straight into the extremes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Either perfect success or total defeat.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: There's no middle ground allowed here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: For professionals and high achievers, this pattern shows up everywhere and quietly chips away at your cognitive resilience.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a fresh example from my practice recently.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I worked with a project manager named Jordan.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He led a major system upgrade that went smoothly overall.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The team was happy, deadlines were mostly met, and the user reported big improvements.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: but one dashboard widget loaded a second slower than planned during the demo.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody on the team, including the higher-ups, was watching.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of celebrating the win, Jordan's brain declared the entire rollout as a disaster.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's all or nothing, he told me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Either it's flawless or I failed the company and I'm going to get fired.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That single thought sent him into overthinking mode for days.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Spiking has workplace anxiety in living him, trained and worried that he might lose his job.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't stop thinking.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't stop the over and over, and over Hamster Wheel, his mind was racing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: was all or nothing to him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You may see smaller moments like this in your life as well, maybe you prepared a thoughtful team update, but stumbled over one sentence, so your mind labels a whole meeting was a waste of time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Or you might stick to your budget for three weeks straight, then splurge on takeout once and suddenly, your entire financial plan is ruined, although financial anxiety on steroids.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: These are classic signs of all or nothing thinking, mixed with mental filtering, where the brain zooms in on one flaw and blanked out on everything else that went right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't you think this a lot with your own life?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You do so many good things.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know you're good at what you do, what does it work or in your professional life?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But one mistake, one misstep.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you didn't pronounce something.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you didn't make it at exactly the time where you needed to make the deadline.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Just take once in it throws your entire thought process for a loop.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a personal weakness.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not some character flaw that says that there's something wrong with you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a common cognitive distortion that thrives among driven people.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And most of the time, you do think well, but every so often you make a mistake, and then you beat yourself up for it, but guess what, that mistake, that's human.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You are not AI, my friend, you're not a robot, you're going to make mistakes, that's what makes us human, we need to remember our humanity, and we're not perfect.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We are human beings that make mistakes, but are all or nothing thinking tricks us and believing we have to be perfect.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And that perfectionism drives us, either drives us forward or drives us crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When's the last time this type of pattern snuck up on you?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The overt thinking, the all or nothing thinking, the cognitive distortions?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Pause with me just for a second and think about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That quick awareness is already a gentle cognitive technique starting to work.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm already starting to use a tool and technique for you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Recognizing it as the doorway to real change and better emotional health.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We need to slow down.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Our society is all about moving fast.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Get a meet this deadline.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We get to get out and get fast food, fast fast, go, go, go, hurry, hurry, hurry.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we fill our schedules up and we're so run down.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we need to pause and reflect and really, truly think about why am I thinking about this now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now let's move into our second key area here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: How all are nothing thinking quietly powers the perfectionism, anxiety cycle.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then it drives burnout.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Have you felt that way before other times that you just felt completely burnout?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You don't wanna do work anymore.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you don't want to do life anymore.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Not that you are suicidal, not talking about that, but life sometimes gets so mundane.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You wake up and do the exact same thing and then the next day you do the same thing and it becomes identical and you start to feel like your life is just running on fumes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You lose out on so much when you start to feel that way.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So when you are starting to feel burnout, whether it's your job or life, this is really important to be thinking about here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: How do you apply these things to your life?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The cognitive distortion that I'm talking about that can lead to burnout, it's not just something that's annoying.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It keeps the stress engine running hot.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Your cortisol, which is the stress hormones, a natural stress hormone that a body creates.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes the stress, and it's not all stress is bad, but sometimes the stress keeps going and runs and runs and runs and runs.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it wears you out.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: One in perfect moment can trigger overthinking, which fuels the anxiety, which leads to avoidance or overwork, whatever reaction that you tend to have, you're going to avoid it, or you're going to really work hard, which then circles right back to more burnout.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That hamster wheel that I've talked about before, is completely exhausting, physically and emotionally.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Take a recent client story here that really stands out and not using the same name.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But this is something that's really relatable here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Elena was a finance director at a growing start-up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: She came to me after months of feeling overwhelmed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: She had closed most of her quarterly forecast accurately, but if one projection was off, even by a small margin, she would spiral.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: My whole analysis is it's worth this.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm letting everyone down, she would say.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This all are nothing thinking amplified her professional anxiety during leadership meetings and blood into social anxiety when colleagues wanted to grab coffee.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: She worried that any casual conversation might expose her incompetence.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The result?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Classic executive burnout and eroded mental wellness.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you see how her negative thoughts connected?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it made a false narrative that created a false storyline?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's how these things work.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Start out with one false narrative than it adds to another storyline.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Soon, you have a complete history in your forecasting the future.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: For her, it was, if I just slip, if I do this, if I go out with coffee with my colleagues,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The research on cognitive distortions is quite detailed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Patterns like this keep cortisol elevated and make emotional resilience hotter to build.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's especially sneaky for busy professionals because our world rewards extremes, doesn't it?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Our society, our world, maybe your work culture, rewards, extremes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, think about the videos you've seen on social media.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: maybe it's a, I don't know, a guru, whatever that is.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he talks about crushing it or it's a total failure, but real life lives somewhere in the middle.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not crushing it and it's not failure to the middle, to spectrum.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But are all are nothing thinking the trick says to believe that there's one or the other in there's no room for anything in the middle.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When all are nothing thinking pairs with over thinking, they create mental barriers that block the calm, focused energy, we actually need.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But that'd be nice to have calm, focused energy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a moment that I want to tell you about myself.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I once spent a lot of time working on an email because the first version had one slightly awkward phrase.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: My brain went full drama.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If this email isn't perfect, the entire relationship with this partner is doomed.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Or better yet, if this is a job application setting a resume and you have an email attached to it, it has to be perfect or else they're not going to want to talk to you or put you to an interview.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to tell you I'm a human too, I'm real, I'm a therapist, I know what this is all about, I know the tools and the techniques, but every so often I fall into or nothing thinking as well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The difference now is that I can catch it faster and laugh at how ridiculous it sounds out loud.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to be real with you and relate to you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is not a character flow, it doesn't mean that you're not a professional.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You're a human being that makes mistakes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes you're mind, your mental loops catches onto that and doesn't let go.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That happens.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It creates just enough space for coven of rewiring when he can slow down and recognize it in yourself.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Remember how that distortion turns a small hiccup into everything it's collapsing?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I talked about this in the catastrophizing episode.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The all are nothing thinking as a close partner to that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They tag team it beautifully.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: One perfect outcome becomes total failure, which then catassurizes into this will ruin my career forever, or this will ruin my kids forever.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Together they supercharge decisions and mindfulness anxiety when you can't stay present.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and that concept background hum of managing anxiety continues to run.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: For high achievers and ambitious professionals, this combo is particularly rough because we pride ourselves on excellence.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yet without the great area of thinking, we burn out faster.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The encouraging news, though, once you see the pattern clearly, you can start applying therapeutic techniques that actually shift it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly where we're heading next.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Stay tuned.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Before we jump into the tools, I want to say a quick thank you for spending this time with me on the mental health today's show.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If these ideas are leaning and helping you with your own anxiety coping or emotional wellness journey, I would really appreciate it if you take a moment right now to leave a review on the app that you're listening to this episode on, whether it's Spotify or Apple Podcast, wherever you're listening to this, can you pause and give me a rating?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And what that does, it helps spread the show and becomes more visible, so others can hear this too.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the practical heart of today's episode.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A simple research back CBT reframed that you can use right now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I call it the shades of gray exercise.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, not that shades of gray.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Get your mind out of the gutter.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the most effective cognitive techniques I teach for building cognitive resilience on the fly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Step 1.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Catch it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The moment you feel that the all-or-nothing tug may be after a presentation that wasn't flawless or an interview pause and label it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is all or nothing thinking again.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Here I go.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Name it as a powerful calming technique that creates instant distance.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You give it a name.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Step 2.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Collect balanced evidence.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Ask yourself three quick questions.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: what actually went well?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Where's the realistic middle ground?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What would I say to a respective colleague in the same situation?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Suppose you let a strategy session that had a strong discussion, but one idea didn't land perfectly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You might note the team generated three solid action items engagement was high and that was just one idea that needs refining.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly, it's not just a total failure, it's about 70% effective with clear next steps.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So you're focused on the 70% of what went well versus the 30% maybe the 10% that didn't go well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Step three, reframe it in the gray.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Replace the extreme thought with a balanced one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of, I bombed that meeting, try the meeting moved us forward in key areas and gave me useful feedback for next time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It might feel a little unnatural at first.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's normal when you're building a new cognitive skills.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Take time as practice and patience.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: practice it a few times today and notice how it lowers the decision anxiety and supports anxiety relief right in the moment.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't expect instant results though.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a process.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: magic formula, you get to keep doing it, get to keep believing it and have optimism that it's going to work.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw this work powerfully with a client named Marcus, a sales leader who used to beat himself up after every call that wasn't a perfect close.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: After practicing shave's a grave for two weeks, he started reviewing an 80% conversation as a win with learning opportunities.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: His workplace anxiety dropped, his overthinking slowed, and he actually began enjoying client interaction to get.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the kind of emotional wellness shift that we're after here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's another quick variation for when social anxiety or mindfulness anxiety shows up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Use a percentage scale, rate the situation from zero to 100% instead of all or nothing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That conversation was about 60% comfortable, plenty of room to improve without judgment.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, did you see that?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Plenty of room to improve without judgment.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not all or nothing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: pair it with a simple breathing calm technique, inhale for four seconds, hold for four, and exhale for six.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They would calmly and slowly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: These coping techniques are easy to use at your desk or between meetings or even when you're driving, and they can make a real difference in managing your anxiety.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We covered the main points already, but let's expand this into everyday life a bit more.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All or nothing thinking doesn't stay at the office.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If I was you home too, maybe you aim for a consistent evening wind down routine but missed one night.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So your brain tells you your whole self care plan is wrecked again.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Or you have your child with homework, but didn't explain one concept perfectly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: These moments quietly erode emotional resilience that we let them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: When you consistently apply the CBT techniques, something wonderful happens.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You start experiencing life and full color instead of black and white, or all or nothing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: better anxiety management at home, less financial anxiety when numbers aren't ideal, stronger relationships because you're kinder to yourself and to others.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like we're upgrading your internal software from the rigid extremes to flexible, resilient thinking.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's do a short reflection together.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're somewhere safe, take 10 seconds and ask yourself, where did the all or nothing thinking pop up for me recently?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Pause and think about it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now pick one of those moments and quickly run it through the shades of gray questions in your mind.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Feel that slight shift.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's you building real cognitive skills and emotional wellness is an action.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: As we move forward to the close of this episode, here are three powerful takeaways to carry with you this week.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: First, all or nothing thinking is simply a cognitive distortion.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a reflection of your worth.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Spotting it is the first step to freedom.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Second, practical CBT techniques like the shades of gray can interrupt the perfectionism anxiety cycle, reduce overthinking and burnout and bring genuine anxiety relief for you during the busy days.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Third, embracing gray area thinking doesn't lower your high standards, but it protects your mental wellness and high achiever energy so you can sustain excellent
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You now have concrete cognitive techniques in coping strategies, they handle mental barriers whenever they appear.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So use them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Laph gently at the old patterns when they show up, because a little humor goes a long way in this work.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're not alone.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Every driven professional faces these challenges and everyone who practices these strategies sees real progress in emotional health and resilience.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It helps spread these wellness tips to more busy professionals and mental health colleagues who need them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you found some valuable information and encouragement in today's episode.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for listening to the mental health today's show.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Until next time, good day and good night.