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Can Pro Athletes REALLY Switch Sports? | The MindSets Podcast | Episode 61 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Mindsets
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  Podcast. I am, of course, joined for
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  episode 61 by the great Charles Engel.
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  The Great. How are you doing?
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  I'm, I'm very happy that I was referred to as the great.
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  So yeah, I'm doing very well. Well, there we are.
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  We've we've made a turn from episode 60 onwards.
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  Yeah, new names. So today we have some more
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  interesting topics that have been presented by the lovely
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  aren't cool enough to do that, then always reach out to us at
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  Mindsets Under Score Podcast or on our personals at Angus Under
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  Score Cook or at Chucks Under Score Life under score.
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  You've got it. Nailed it.
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  You did so much studying however today, do you have a fun fact
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  for me? I don't, but I've got something
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  better. Yeah.
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  Which is actually really good. Cool.
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  So for the last episode we talked about fitness fashion.
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  So I've bought you another present because I didn't think
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  you were fashionable enough. Which is ironic, because today
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  I'm wearing. A T-shirt?
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  Yeah, both are. We are on brand, so this is not
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  rocks. It's actually rad again, yeah.
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  Rad. And you?
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  I brought you a rad T-shirt, thank you very much.
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  I'm so shout out, Ella. From Raleigh, shall I open this
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  up? I don't know if the the sounds
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  going to be good for the the podcast audio.
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  Well, do you know what's hilarious about that?
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  And for those of you that are listening and didn't know,
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  that's a problem for me. OK, perfect.
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  Because I'm going to have to go away and sit through what I'm
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  choosing to do now and wonder why I decided to do that.
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  And you're doing it with one hand.
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  Do it with one hand. Why not?
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  There you go again. If you didn't know I was seeing
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  it with one hand, you should be watching on YouTube.
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  And you can see the present. I just saw the present.
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  Which I'm not even going to bother describing it.
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  It's a rad T-shirt. It's actually.
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  Sick. I don't actually have that
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  colour weight. Well, I'm.
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  Just going to make you jealous now.
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  That's actually really sick. Thank you very, very much.
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  Thank you, Rad. Thank you, Ella.
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  Hugely appreciated. Well, we're not talking about
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  fashion today. We are quite clearly.
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  We have upped our fashion games since the last episode.
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  Today we are talking about pro athletes switching sport.
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  It's a good topic. It is because I only know
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  athletes that have switched sport.
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  Only. Yeah, I don't know an athlete
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  that has only ever done one sport their life.
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  Interesting take. Interesting take.
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  Yeah, that's quite fair. So I don't really know which way
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  you want to take this. Now, before we start this
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  episode, Charles has teased me that he's got a really strange
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  tack to take on this, which I'm quite excited for.
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  Yeah, I'm coming with lots of numbers.
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  I think when I was so when we presented this as a good topic
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  to talk about, the first thing that jumped into both of our
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  minds was the great Michael Jordan.
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  The the goat. Who was arguably not so great at
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  one thing that he decided that he wants to be great at.
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  So Michael Jordan, a lot of us know him for being the cover of
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  some really good trainers, you know, that silhouette of him
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  dunking, but being generally pretty unbelievable when it
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  comes to basketball. Still in still, there's the
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  debate between LeBron and him, but I don't know.
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  I think we agree MJ is the best. However, for a time he decided
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  he didn't want to be the best anymore and he decided to try
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  and give baseball a go. And when when I say he tried to
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  give it a go, he was obviously better than most.
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  It's going. To be interesting because I
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  think there's like this misconception that he was
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  actually horrible at it. But so this is this is like my
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  my take from it. And it's all come from a book
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  that's actually it's called why Michael couldn't hit.
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  It's by a guy called Haron Klons.
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  I've probably destroyed the the pronunciation of his name, but
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  it's a really interesting book and it's about the neurology
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  around actually being able to hit a baseball.
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  So we've got lots of fun facts that we're going to talk about.
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  But whilst we're talking about books that that kind of came out
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  of a recommendation from another book I read called the Sports
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  Gene by David Epstein, which is a very famous book.
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  And if you haven't read that, I definitely recommend you reading
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  that. That's talking about kind of is
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  it nurture versus have you got the genetic predisposition to be
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  good at the sport? Because obviously Michael Jordan
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  is an incredible athlete that you, you can't take that away
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  from him. But his ability at baseball
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  wasn't as good as his ability at basketball, right?
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  And there's lots of things that that kind of dictated that or
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  whatever the reason was. But what, what was kind of the
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  most interesting thing for me is like why Michael Jordan decided,
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  Christ, get that, I'm going to be fired now.
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  The worst podcast host of all time.
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  That will just get caught because I bet the sound of it
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  wouldn't even pick that up once I've got it through.
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  So yeah, it was. It's more the fact that Michael
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  Jordan decided to leave basketball or basically at the
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  pinnacle of his career when he was at his best, he just turned
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  around and decided to leave basketball and and pursue a
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  career in baseball. For those that have watched the
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  last Dance, well, first of all, if you haven't watched the Last
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  dance, what are we doing? After you finish this podcast,
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  go and watch The Last Dance. But you find out that actually
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  there's a lot going on behind the scenes in Marco Square, as
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  there is with most athletes. But there was quite a lot of
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  politics going on within the team, the coaching, the
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  direction of the team, which essentially took the fun away
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  from the sport. And while he was at his athletic
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  prime, quite clearly because he was dominating basketball, he
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  wanted to give something else. And I do think, and this is
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  something I've come to understand a lot more from my
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  interest in American football, is when you play sport in
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  America, you pretty much pretty quickly you have to choose what
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  sport you want to do because that's where you're going to go
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  for college. You've got to get your
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  scholarship. And it's very rare that there
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  are multiple scholarships or multiple options at one time at
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  a university for generational athletes.
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  They have done it. We've seen that.
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  But the thing with baseball is you get drafted very early on.
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  And essentially if you get drafted, if you want to be a
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  baseball player, that's great because you can start earning
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  money. You can start earning a lot of
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  money in baseball very early on. But if you do actually want to
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  do another sport, then that's kind of it.
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  If you if you are going to do that baseball route or you turn
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  your back on the baseball draft and you go for any other sport.
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  And if you don't make it, then you have to crawl your way back
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  down to to baseball to actually try and to try and make any sort
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  of career out of it. So Michael had always been good
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  at baseball. Yeah.
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  I think that's people didn't understand that.
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  Like he'd been playing since he was a kid, but it's not.
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  He wasn't playing at the same level and he wasn't putting as
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  much time or energy into baseball as he was basketball.
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  And I think for him, everything that happened and like you have
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  to watch Last Dance if you don't understand Michael Jordan at
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  all. I will know much about him.
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  But he had of this strong relationship with his father.
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  His father then died, but his father always loved baseball.
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  So Michael then thought he owed it to his dad to try his hand at
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  baseball and he he then obviously retired from
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  basketball to pursue baseball. But there's a few numbers that I
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  want to want to quote. All right.
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  So because obviously like it's, it's well documented that he
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  wasn't as successful in baseball as he was basketball, but by no
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  means was he bad at baseball. Yeah.
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  So I think one of the first things that everybody looks at
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  when they look at what his career was in baseball is some
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  people will be aware over America.
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  You've got the MLB, which is the Major League Baseball.
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  Michael was not in Major League Baseball.
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  He was in minor League Baseball, which is in theory a level down.
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  However, it is by no means a slouch league.
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  That is the league that gets cherry picked from to start in
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  the MLB. So yeah, go on and give you a
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  start. So the batting average, if I get
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  this right, or the lowest batting average in baseball this
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  season is 0.171. All right, numbers that.
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  What does that mean? No idea.
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  OK, cool. I pulled that from the Internet,
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  all right, But that was like the lowest batting average.
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  All right. You might be able to Google that
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  now, if I will. Batting average is determined by
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  dividing a player's hits by his total at bats.
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  For a number, for a number between zero and one.
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  So essentially guess that at bats is basically when you're
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  stood there swinging and number of hits doesn't necessarily mean
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  home run. I don't believe, you know, he's
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  actually making contact. Michael Jordan's batting average
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  is .202, so above right, which is still considered to be
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  average. I think in if if you were in
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  Major League Baseball, that's still an average batting
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  average. So I've got more stats for you
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  about some home runs. But this is basically just going
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  to be me reading off what I've written down earlier.
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  So if you are watching on YouTube, the one time that I
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  will be reading off the script, right.
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  So here we go. It's all it's basically talking
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  about Michael Jordan's predisposition genetically.
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  And like, it wasn't like he just waltzed into baseball and didn't
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  try like he put hours and hours and hours of time into
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  practicing and batting. But Babe Ruth, who's obviously
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  one of the most renowned baseball players of all time and
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  for his entire career in against Major League Baseball pitching,
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  he got what's this, his home run ratio.
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  All right, that's a strikeout. So strikeout to home run ratio
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  was under 2. Michael Jordan's was over 30.
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  So it's like when you put that into perspective of like one of
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  the best ever to do it in baseball versus Michael Jordan,
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  there's obviously this huge disparity.
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  Take Babe Ruth and put him in the NBA.
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  You're going to have some crazy, ridiculous stats suggesting that
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  he's horrible at basketball, but he's probably still this
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  athletic guy who can hold his own on the basketball court.
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  But versus Michael Jordan, who's the all time best, obviously
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  you're going to see that disparity.
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  Yeah, and before anyone thinks that this whole broadcast is
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  going to be about Michael Jordan, it's not.
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  And that's kind of the point. But Michael Jordan is an
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  excellent example because what he then did was quite smart and
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  he went back to basketball and he dominated for like 5 more
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  years and it was pretty much like he never left.
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  But he actually came back and was arguably better than when he
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  did leave. Because I think that's
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  interesting where it's like this debate about if you are just a
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  genetic freak, you can be good at something, but it it proves
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  that it's not true that even if you have this athletic
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  predisposition, which I keep talking about, you're super
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  athletic, that you, you can't deny that Michael Jordan was
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  super athletic. Even if you just go, I'll switch
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  sports doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be any good at
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  it. Otherwise I think you'd see it
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  more frequently in sports. Sportsmen and women jumping
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  around, sport to sport, to have a play around at it just because
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  you're going to be good at it. Interestingly, what I have gone
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  away and done OK from my interest which I've looked at
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  success stories love it. I've also made note of 1
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  relatively well known failure story but I will discount why I
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  think it's actually a failure and it was almost a smart move.
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  So Rebecca Romero, OK, she was an Olympic rower, cool for she's
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  British. So Olympic rower changed to
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  Olympic cycling. Oh cool, went from silver and
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  rowing to gold in cycling the. Upgrade.
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  Which is interesting because as we understand endurance sports
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  now, both require ridiculous aerobic capacity and ability to
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  stand a lot of pain in Rd. Cycling or track cycling?
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  Unfortunately, I didn't get that far.
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  OK, but I'm going to go ahead and say that both hurt.
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  Yeah, for sure. So it's fine.
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  I'm. Going to guess track cycling.
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  I I was, I was thinking that, but.
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  It's very common for rowers to do cycling offseason.
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  Yeah. So yeah, she actually
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  technically improved as an athlete for sure then.
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  When you think of like leg endurance, yeah, in rowing and
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  cycling, like there's lots of overlap there.
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  This is my fault. I've also done the technology
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  thing and I have used technology to make my notes and what it's
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  done is autocorrected someone's name.
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  So Clara and I'll, I'll put this in the description.
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  Clara, it says highest and it definitely isn't Clara.
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  It was a Canadian Olympian. She won six medals in total in
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  her career as an Olympian. She went from speed skating to
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  cycling to speed skating, and she's the first and only person
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  to compete at both types of Olympics.
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  Oh cool, successfully. Oh, that sounds like a.
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  Winning. I want to say summer and winter.
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  So yeah, she won a medal in cycling and she won most of her
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  medals in speed skating. So across winter and summer.
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  That, and arguably the best all round athlete in American sports
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  history, Bo Jackson. Yeah.
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  Who did and well played in the NFL and the MLB at the same time
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  and was an All Star at both at the same time and would play one
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  game one day and go and play the next game the next day and make
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  both trainings. Just honestly like complete
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  freak. But it's like different era.
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  It, it is. And that's one of the things
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  that you kind of have to. Like I don't know if that's
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  about possible to do now I don't think.
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  It is with the way that you train now.
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  No, yeah, I'd agree. And I don't think as well as
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  that if we, if we're being completely honest, teams
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  wouldn't let you do that. No, no.
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  And as an example of this. Logistics wise as well.
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  And what I what I was saying before about baseball being
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  drafted in the do you know Kyla Murray?
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  Does the name ring a bell? Yeah.
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  So Kyla Murray, NFL quarterback. Yeah.
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  So he Arizona Cardinals, Arizona Cardinals NFL quarterback.
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  Extremely, extremely gifted football player, always has
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  been. If you look up Kyla Murray
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  highlights on YouTube, it'll go back to him in high school and
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  he is just he just is different. He runs differently.
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  He's impossible to tackle. He's quite a small guy.
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  So you wouldn't expect much from him in terms of his throwing
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  ability. And then you watch him throw and
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  if you didn't see who was throwing the ball, you'd think
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  this was coming from like some 7 foot guy with an absolute cannon
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  of an arm. But he's quite small.
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  He's he's very small for the NFL standard.
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  But he was he was kind of got got away with it at high school,
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  went to college, didn't grow, but he was also very, very good
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  at baseball. And in fact, and I should
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  probably double Fact Check this before I say it, but he was
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  drafted first overall for baseball.
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  That's really, yeah, incredibly good.
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  And when you're drafted first overall in baseball, we're
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  talking hundreds of millions straight off.
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  When you're drafted in the NFL, you get a lot of money, but it's
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  not all guaranteed. And you do get a signing bonus
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  that actually makes your contract worth it.
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  But for your first five years, you're really underpaid compared
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  to the rest of league when you're at that level.
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  He wanted to play in the NFL and so he basically made the
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  commitment before his final year and he said, look, I'm going to
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  go and win the Heisman and I'm going to go first overall.
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  And that's actually what he did. He went the first pick.
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  Yeah, unfortunately, what happened was then his career in
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  the NFL was far less productive than his career in baseball
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  possibly could have been. And his ability in baseball was
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  kind of guaranteed that he was at worst going to be mediocre
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  and make a lot of money doing it.
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  But in the NFL, it was still like, can he as a short
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  quarterback, convert the NFL? Do you think that's also the
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  fact that in football, or American football, I should say,
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  a lot is dictated about around your actual team and like your
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  offensive ability. And if he's put into a bad
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  offense, there's only so much he can do, even if he's super
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  talented. And that.
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  Whereas if he's in baseball, I don't know if he was a pitcher
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  or a batter, but he could, he's still got that individual like
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  brilliance where he can make things happen by himself.
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  So the the issue with team sports, and especially in such a
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  tactical sport like American football is you are literally a
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  puzzle piece no matter how good you are.
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  I mean, you could he could throw the most perfect pass, but if
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  the guy's not there to catch it or can't catch it, then what's
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  the point? And I think one of the other
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  things that I actually really do like about American sport when
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  they do this or particularly the NFL is the draft system.
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  You know, the worst team gets the first pick next year.
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  But what that does mean you're going to the you're going to the
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  worst team unless there's been some sort of trade.
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  So like. It's been tough to watch like
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  over the last couple of years where I've got into American
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  football a bit more and seeing some of these top quarter like
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  being drafted from college like Trevor Lawrence and Justin
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  Fields and they just get and Zach Wilson as well.
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  They just get put into a terrible team and they just get
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  lost in the system really. And it's not a fair
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  representation of literally the whole of the rest of their lives
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  playing football where you can, you can follow these guys back
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  to when they were playing in high school, which is mental and
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  they've got facts and analytics about all of them.
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  No wonder you love American sports, because it's literally
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  just a numbers game. The thing today as well, and
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  this makes me feel really old, but like there is footage of
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  these guys playing from when they first started playing now.
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  Whereas like 10 years ago you would have to rely on the first
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  video of someone you had, which was college.
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  Because previously the scouts would go and watch them at their
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  high school games and they didn't necessarily have the film
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  in the same way they they had film.
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  I'm not saying like it didn't exist.
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  Video cameras have your history for a while, but not quite to
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  the same accessibility. So that is really cool.
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  One of the things on the NFL, which was actually a listener
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  input messaged me on this topic to talk about Louis or Louis
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  Reese Samit. So again, context for those that
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  don't necessarily know. Incredible athlete.
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  Welsh rugby player has won the six Six Nations for Wales.
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  You might want to Fact Check that.
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  Has has he won the Six Nations for Wales, Played in the Lions,
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  Is age 24. I think I don't know.
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  But I, I, I know that. Really, I do know that.
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  Big up Wales, the glory days. Yeah, so he yeah, incredible
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  athlete and maybe some people have seen on social media or if
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  not on YouTube, the international player pathway
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  explaining it as quickly as I can.
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  If you actually want to know more about this major plug, go
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  back to the very first episode of the Mindset podcast because I
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  speak to Adidai Odelay, who is a defensive lineman I used to play
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  with and he is still on a roster.
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  He went through the international player pathway.
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  But essentially what happens is players that don't necessarily
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  come from playing American football, in fact, nearly all of
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  them don't get put into this program because they are raw
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  athletes. And scouts that are in the UK or
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  in Europe or across the world have seen potential for them to
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  play the in the NFL. And what they do is they take
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  them away. They put them on through an
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  intensive training camp with the understanding that at the end of
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  that training camp, teams, they they can be assigned to a team
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  if they're good enough. Now, it's not that the team
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  looks at them and goes, they're better than anyone we could have
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  in America. What happens is the NFL
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  increases the practice squad size for the team for three
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  years just to have a European player.
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  So, and I know this gets confusing with NFL team
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  seemingly have so many people on their team, but essentially NFL
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  teams have 53 people on their squad list at any time they can
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  play in a game. They also have a practice squad.
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  This team of people, which I believe is 7 people, can train
• 19:41
  with the squad but don't go to games and can't be called up
• 19:44
  unless they're made active and someone from the active team is
• 19:47
  on injured reserve or gets traded.
• 19:50
  So when a team gets an international player pathway
• 19:53
  player that has been selected, they are assigned them.
• 19:56
  They don't necessarily get to choose them and the practice
• 20:00
  squad gets increased by the NFL. Yeah, OK.
• 20:03
  And that. The practice score gets
• 20:05
  increased by one position, so they go from 7:00 to 8:00.
• 20:08
  So it doesn't have an impact on anyone else in the team that's
• 20:11
  already there, it's just an increase in size.
• 20:14
  But like I said, they only get it for three years.
• 20:16
  So essentially if you are one of these players and you are chosen
• 20:20
  to go through and get put on a team, you have a guaranteed 3
• 20:22
  years. Now that isn't strictly true if
• 20:26
  you're made active. So if after your first year you
• 20:29
  dazzle them, you're impressive, you get made active, then after
• 20:34
  that you can't be put back onto the practice squad as an
• 20:37
  international. You've been an active player,
• 20:39
  you're no longer in the international pathway.
• 20:42
  What also happens, which is interesting, is after two years,
• 20:48
  let's say you impress another team enough because practice
• 20:51
  squad players can play in the preseason games you.
• 20:53
  So they do. That's their chance to show that
• 20:55
  they're worth it. They might get traded for by
• 20:58
  another team and that's where it gets sticky because they can be
• 21:03
  on their practice squad but they aren't an international player
• 21:05
  position so they are taking up the space of someone else fine.
• 21:09
  So This is why sometimes international players get chewed
• 21:11
  up and spat out because that happens.
• 21:14
  But for a team that takes on their player, it's worth them
• 21:19
  investing everything in this person because it's it's only a
• 21:21
  win win. It's a win that they get a great
• 21:24
  player at the end of it. Will they actually get some
• 21:25
  monetary value back because they can trade for them from another
• 21:28
  team or they just spit them out and it's fine.
• 21:30
  Doesn't cost them anything. That is the international player
• 21:33
  pathway explained as quickly as I could.
• 21:34
  Sorry if that was too much for you.
• 21:37
  Louie Samet entered this pathway.
• 21:39
  He was then assigned the Chiefs to the Chiefs, which at the time
• 21:45
  huge with a Super Bowl champion. It's like he's just been given
• 21:47
  the gift and he's do. You think that was done
• 21:50
  tactically for like social or what?
• 21:53
  Possibly like Mark, because when it becomes yeah, when it comes
• 21:56
  to the the assigning, putting a guy who is.
• 22:01
  High profile. High profile for the pathway and
• 22:04
  being put with the best quarterback potentially of all
• 22:07
  time. But he finished his career.
• 22:09
  But definitely at the time Patrick Mahomes, like he's going
• 22:12
  to go and play wide receiver as well.
• 22:14
  So like you are literally linking him with the best, of
• 22:15
  course, which answered this success story out of this thing
• 22:17
  which can run the media. And immediately, I hated the
• 22:23
  whole situation. Yeah, and this isn't coming from
• 22:27
  just. He's a tough guy to like as
• 22:29
  well, isn't? He, I'll be, I'll be completely
• 22:31
  honest, he was on my radar of like good players, but I didn't
• 22:33
  know anything about him. But every three years someone
• 22:39
  from rugby or another sport gets coverage for going to the NFL
• 22:42
  and they're going to absolutely dominate the NFL or they're at
• 22:45
  least going to be like in the top.
• 22:47
  And having played the sport knowing enough, there is zero
• 22:50
  chance of that happening. And I say that from a deep
• 22:53
  understanding of how these players train, from how young
• 22:57
  they start playing. And it isn't, it isn't because
• 23:00
  they've got more experience necessarily.
• 23:02
  It isn't because they know the rules of the game and it's
• 23:04
  second nature. It is a physical difference and
• 23:07
  a reactive difference that you can't learn quickly.
• 23:11
  And I this is, this is sounds really weird and this is really
• 23:15
  niche. I would say walking through a
• 23:18
  busy St. in London, I am better than I would have been and most
• 23:23
  people at not getting caught up by other people because I
• 23:27
  understand how to read what's going in front of me based on
• 23:29
  having players block for me and having people try to tackle me,
• 23:33
  which is really random. But I do think that I'm like,
• 23:35
  oh, I probably wouldn't have done.
• 23:36
  I wouldn't have a second. Anticipation thing, isn't it?
• 23:38
  Yeah, yeah. And that's that's genuinely
• 23:41
  something that until you play the game and you have enough
• 23:43
  experience playing, you can't learn.
• 23:44
  And when these guys get sent over and they do these intense
• 23:47
  training camps for Louis Rosamit, for example, he's going
• 23:50
  to be learning how to, for one, how to run wide receiver routes.
• 23:53
  It's me learning how a playbook works.
• 23:55
  It's me doing the footwork. But then you put him in a game
• 23:59
  and there are guys that have seen everyone at his level
• 24:02
  before in terms of his route running, his catching ability.
• 24:05
  But they also know that he's got to get the ball.
• 24:08
  And then once he's got the ball, he's got to not get tackled.
• 24:12
  And in rugby, it's very different.
• 24:13
  You expect to be tackled and you do what you do with the ball.
• 24:16
  In American football, the difference makers are the ones
• 24:18
  that aren't covered a wide receiver, so they can get the
• 24:21
  ball easily and they can get past people.
• 24:23
  I think also having played rugby and then I mean consumed enough
• 24:29
  American football to understand a little bit, but if he's
• 24:32
  running a route and the ball's coming to him, he's looking at
• 24:36
  the ball, he's not looking at the two guys who are going to
• 24:39
  come and smash him at the same time.
• 24:41
  And I think there's that misconception, especially from
• 24:44
  British people who play rugby, that American football is soft,
• 24:48
  but at the top level in the NFL, you're getting absolutely
• 24:51
  trolleyed. I will reframe it as well.
• 24:54
  So. And he's a soft rugby player as
• 24:56
  it goes. Let that be on on you, I will.
• 25:00
  Say, but let's all agree. From my from my standing of
• 25:03
  playing, when I first started playing, I was like, wow, you
• 25:06
  have all this padding. In reality, you wear as little
• 25:09
  as possible. You wear it so you surpass the
• 25:11
  rules of the referee. But I'm telling you right now,
• 25:14
  my current watch strap is thicker than the plastic I was
• 25:17
  wearing on my shoulders and my upper body.
• 25:19
  My helmet was the only thing that was really heavy, and it is
• 25:22
  heavy, but I'll come back. But you can, you can, unlike
• 25:26
  rugby, like if you're wearing a helmet, you can use that to hit
• 25:29
  someone with. Like you can run at someone with
• 25:31
  your head into like their knees. I'm like your ACL instantly
• 25:35
  blown. Yeah, and and oh, you wear knee
• 25:37
  pads, but quite a lot of the time you don't.
• 25:39
  And I will attest, most of the time I was playing, I put socks
• 25:42
  there because it's strict me from running, but it looks like
• 25:44
  a pad. That's the sort of level we're
• 25:46
  talking out, where the pads are as small as possible without you
• 25:48
  getting told off. But on the helmet thing, they
• 25:51
  have a metal face cage. It was trained in teams that I
• 25:55
  played with. And against that the metal face
• 25:57
  cage belongs on my throwing hand.
• 26:00
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:01
  Because it breaks my fingers and I've broken fingers, I've
• 26:03
  dislocated things. And that is that it's it's a
• 26:05
  tool and it's something you don't have in rugby.
• 26:07
  So as much as American football is considered soft for the
• 26:09
  padding, it ends up going the other way.
• 26:11
  And the more padding you have, the more invisible you become,
• 26:13
  the more you can use as a weapon.
• 26:14
  There's some huge. Hits some ridiculous hits.
• 26:16
  So there's there is that and being hit in rugby, if you're
• 26:20
  being chased, you're going to get tap tackled or dragged down.
• 26:23
  If they're in front of you, you're getting hit, probably
• 26:25
  thigh high or high, but you know where it's coming from.
• 26:28
  America bubble, you have no idea where it's coming from, when.
• 26:31
  And the final thing, as an example of nuances which people
• 26:34
  don't understand, for a position like wide receiver, if Reese
• 26:39
  Samet can get free, he can get wide open.
• 26:42
  Patrick Mahomes is throwing the perfect ball and we know he can
• 26:46
  catch. He's running along.
• 26:50
  He puts his hands out to catch the ball.
• 26:52
  He does not catch that ball. And that isn't a reason of the
• 26:56
  fact that he can't catch. Something goes wrong from his
• 26:58
  side. If you put your hands out too
• 27:01
  early in the NFL to catch a ball, it's getting intercepted
• 27:04
  or batted away because the the defenders at that level key on
• 27:08
  your movements. So they'll be running behind
• 27:10
  you, not watching where the ball is because they don't care.
• 27:13
  All they care for is when your hands go out, My hands go out.
• 27:16
  And so if you go too early. And this is something that he's
• 27:18
  not going to learn until he's getting the reps in the game.
• 27:22
  And so there's so many things. And when I'm rude and I say,
• 27:25
  look, no rugby player or nobody that hasn't played the sport is
• 27:28
  going to go over there and be at the level to even be on a roster
• 27:31
  in two to three years in those, what they're called, skill
• 27:34
  positions. I'm not being rude, I'm being
• 27:37
  realistic. I was going to say like jump in
• 27:39
  there and you, you take that back to Michael Jordan that
• 27:43
  we've been speaking about those things like hitting the ball
• 27:46
  with a baseball bat. It's like visual motor skill,
• 27:49
  something that you can learn, same as putting your hands out
• 27:52
  at the right time. Like you do learn it, but it's
• 27:55
  much easier to learn that skill when you're tiny, like learning
• 27:58
  a language when your brain is a lot more malleable than trying
• 28:01
  to learn it when you're slightly older.
• 28:03
  And all he's got in his brain is rugby, rugby, rugby, rugby,
• 28:06
  rugby, same as Michael Jordan, basketball, basketball,
• 28:09
  basketball. So then unlearn different things
• 28:12
  to apply in a different situation.
• 28:14
  Just you can do it. Like again, Reece, I'm an
• 28:17
  amazing athlete in all different types of like speed, strength,
• 28:21
  power, all of those things. Like I can't take that away from
• 28:24
  him, but not in the context of NFL.
• 28:28
  And, and he couldn't do it quick enough to make it understandable
• 28:31
  for him to do that as a career choice.
• 28:32
  He could. By the time he's 30, yeah, maybe
• 28:35
  he's good enough to make a team. But by the time he's 30, he's
• 28:38
  not been given the chance anymore.
• 28:39
  He's been kicked off the teams. And what's that?
• 28:42
  That's only like X amount of years.
• 28:44
  I don't know how old he is, but let's say he's 2526.
• 28:46
  That's 4-5 years of learning versus the guys who are already
• 28:50
  drafted in the NFL who've already got 15/16/17 years of
• 28:54
  that visual motor skill learning.
• 28:57
  The reason if you look at the history of the international
• 28:59
  player pathway, the more successful athletes and what you
• 29:02
  actually see more commonly in there are defensive lines.
• 29:04
  Sure is because defensive line isn't necessarily more simple,
• 29:09
  but it does come down to a level of force and a few techniques
• 29:14
  that you learn and your job is arguably you have less skill
• 29:19
  involved so when you pick up the understanding of the sport and
• 29:22
  the way to do it, you are more likely to be successful if you
• 29:25
  are a freak athlete in that position.
• 29:27
  Because I was really like, once you have that baseline
• 29:29
  understanding knowledge, a lot of it is mass moves mass.
• 29:32
  So if you're big and powerful and strong being, or you're big,
• 29:36
  powerful and stronger than the other people, then you're more
• 29:40
  likely to get given an opportunity.
• 29:42
  Exactly. And, and in the example of Dio,
• 29:45
  who we spoke about and who is a guest in the first episode, he
• 29:50
  was discovered by me and one other person who saw him in the
• 29:55
  gym at Loughborough University in his first year just looking
• 29:58
  like a freak. And he didn't play sport at the
• 30:01
  time, just lifted, just lifted. We invited him down for a trial
• 30:04
  and in his, he started his first game not knowing what he was
• 30:08
  doing, but he had like 6 sacks, which is when you tackle the
• 30:10
  quarterback, which is a lot for a game.
• 30:13
  And very quickly he obviously was like, I'm kind of look at
• 30:16
  this, I kind of like this. Literally 2 years later, he's
• 30:18
  playing professionally in Europe.
• 30:20
  And then the following season he gets his chance in the NFL and
• 30:23
  he's still out there. So first of all, well, don't
• 30:27
  die. Who's definitely listening do?
• 30:29
  You know what he actually does TuneIn.
• 30:31
  So he might send some stuff and I'm not going to shit talk about
• 30:33
  him ever. Well, I'm going to go in then
• 30:35
  with another niche example of someone who's been successful at
• 30:38
  jumping around sports, and this has come from the book Why
• 30:41
  Michael can't hit a guy called Jim Thorpe, who was an American
• 30:47
  heptathlete. And pentathlete or no, he's not
• 30:51
  a heptathlete. He's a decathlete for sure, and
• 30:53
  a pentathlete, and he won gold at the 1912 Olympics, the first
• 30:59
  person to ever win gold. Those two events ever Previously
• 31:04
  and until now, no one's ever done that.
• 31:06
  He actually switched to play baseball, had a similar time as
• 31:11
  Michael Jordan, which is why he was used as an example.
• 31:14
  He wasn't particularly successful at it.
• 31:15
  He had a better batting average of .2 point 2.252.
• 31:20
  I think something like that, which again is just like bang on
• 31:23
  average in the in the Major League Baseball.
• 31:26
  So then was like, well, I'm done with this.
• 31:27
  I'm going to go and play professional football.
• 31:30
  So he's bounced around all of these sports.
• 31:31
  But again, it's like a different era, like 1912.
• 31:35
  I don't think you'd be able to do something like that now where
• 31:38
  everyone is at such an early level and the training is so
• 31:40
  advanced. But it's cool to see that
• 31:43
  someone's just gone from having a background in something like
• 31:46
  decathlon, which I'd say is probably the most rounded
• 31:50
  athlete you can be. When I look at the best athletes
• 31:53
  at the Olympics, someone like a heptathlete or a decathlete,
• 31:57
  they're the people who are the most athletic.
• 31:59
  And I look at and go, yeah, that's cool, but you can take
• 32:02
  that athleticism and apply in so many different areas.
• 32:05
  One area that I feel like probably doesn't does actually
• 32:09
  get recognized but isn't noticed that often is in para sport.
• 32:16
  Yeah, there's quite a lot of movement around sports from
• 32:21
  those athletes. And again, I don't know if
• 32:23
  that's necessary because of the level of involvement across the
• 32:28
  board. I do feel like it's less it's
• 32:29
  more restricted because there are generally less people that
• 32:33
  have some form of disability than there are able bodied
• 32:36
  people. But if we take the example,
• 32:38
  again, shameful plug here, believe actually the next
• 32:41
  episode or the third episode, Sam Ruddock, who was previously
• 32:46
  very successful in Paralympic throwing.
• 32:49
  So doing things like hammer, sorry, not hammer, shot put,
• 32:52
  shot put and then switch to cycling, indoor cycling and
• 32:57
  became world champion, defending world champion.
• 32:59
  So there is great success in it. Interestingly though, what I
• 33:03
  would say is for the most part, and this again would be my
• 33:08
  advice for anyone that thinks that they're athletic enough to
• 33:10
  go to the NFL and dominate. Is you're still stuck on that?
• 33:13
  Dabble. I think dabbling as an athlete
• 33:16
  and doing other sports is not only good for you mentally but
• 33:19
  it's good for you physically because you can learn areas that
• 33:21
  you're weaker. But also I would probably not
• 33:27
  recommend doing a full on career switch unless you are so sure
• 33:31
  you're going to be better at this other thing than what you.
• 33:33
  I think it's so interesting and I know the topic that we're
• 33:36
  going to talk about later on, we're definitely going to have
• 33:38
  some layover and and talk about kind of variety and different
• 33:42
  training in sport. If you ask me, incredible panic.
• 33:45
  Yeah, I mean, it's very good planning, but surely you have to
• 33:47
  do crying my gears before. That Well, let's do that then.
• 33:50
  So. But this week I've got some
• 33:53
  hangover. Grind my gears.
• 33:55
  In fact, a couple of people messaged in two episodes ago.
• 33:58
  Oh wow. And I told them it would be in
• 34:01
  episode 60 and it didn't appear in episode 60 because we had
• 34:04
  quite a lot of gym ICS. We did, however, they're they're
• 34:08
  definitely going to get their mention.
• 34:09
  They aren't necessarily sports related, but I thought they were
• 34:11
  brilliant. They did make me chuckle.
• 34:13
  You go for it. Let's talk about it.
• 34:16
  Non spreadable spreadable butter, yeah that's annoying.
• 34:21
  If however, it generally doesn't mean you just left it in the
• 34:24
  fridge too long. But if it's winter, that pisses
• 34:26
  me off. I don't know, but you've bought
• 34:30
  non spreadable butter or have you bought something that said
• 34:32
  spreadable that's still not? Spreadable.
• 34:34
  Yeah, that's it. So you've bought spreadable
• 34:36
  butter and it doesn't spread? These people aren't buying low
• 34:38
  pack though for sure because I've never had a problem with
• 34:41
  Lepak I. Don't know, I think I might have
• 34:43
  done, but again, it was kind of winter, but like.
• 34:45
  Nah, yeah, no ones ever had a film with Lepak.
• 34:47
  This I have a grind my gears OK people who don't buy Lepak.
• 34:52
  Dan Pack A. Little.
• 34:56
  Yeah, boy, bakeries whose displays are open for people to
• 35:01
  sneeze over. Oh yeah, so true.
• 35:03
  He's all food related. Not better than not.
• 35:07
  I don't even think about that though.
• 35:08
  When I go to the bakery, I just pick it up and now you've ruined
• 35:11
  it for me. Whoever that was has ruined it
• 35:13
  for me. I used to go to a bakery which
• 35:16
  is very well known in Loughborough near the university
• 35:18
  called Bom Bom Bakery. If you're ever lucky enough to
• 35:20
  be in Leicester and you have the chance to go to Bom Bom, it is
• 35:23
  the best cookie in the world. And I know that for a fact
• 35:26
  because an Australian Olympian tries cookies as she goes around
• 35:30
  different countries to compete and it is her best one.
• 35:32
  Oh wow. So they have their display and
• 35:38
  you choose from the display, but there's.
• 35:40
  Separate. Oh, nice.
• 35:42
  Yeah, I don't. Know what happens to those ones
• 35:43
  at the end of the day, because I'm definitely.
• 35:45
  Covered in sneeze as a union. Student.
• 35:47
  I'd have queued for that. And another one that I've got is
• 35:52
  people posting walks on Strava. OH.
• 35:55
  No, really. Yeah.
• 35:57
  Was that you or something? No, someone sent that.
• 35:59
  In, someone has sent that in. What did hang on this is walk
• 36:05
  versus hike. Are they both the same category
• 36:08
  or do you think hiking is different so they?
• 36:09
  Also said they also said wads. Yeah, I know a lot of especially
• 36:14
  like purist runners hate it when you're putting your workouts on.
• 36:18
  It does ruin the activity feed as well.
• 36:20
  When? The So what I will say and I I
• 36:22
  doubt I doubt anyone's following my straw, but I've never put the
• 36:26
  link up to follow me. I'm I'm on there, but all you
• 36:28
  will. Find now, you'll be inundated.
• 36:30
  All you'll find is lunchtime workout, evening workout.
• 36:33
  See, this is the worst. That's the worst.
• 36:35
  When you don't like, you've got to comment.
• 36:37
  You've got to put a meme. I don't got to.
• 36:39
  You need to put photos. As soon as I finish on my watch.
• 36:43
  It automatically. Yeah, I'm.
• 36:45
  I go on every once in a while because someone will give me
• 36:48
  kudos. Thank you very much Riley.
• 36:49
  But someone will give me code, I'll go.
• 36:51
  On I don't think. I'll give me 5, it will be like
• 36:54
  5 things. I'll be like save changes, save
• 36:57
  changes, save changes, save changes because I've not been on
• 36:59
  it enough times and there's so many things that are there.
• 37:02
  I've got the idea of so much working out but.
• 37:04
  I know I can understand why that that frustrates some people.
• 37:07
  Yeah, I'm just like now rewinding in my head that I've
• 37:09
  added the fact that I only le pack, it's like £4 for a pack of
• 37:14
  butter. I was going to say.
• 37:15
  Yeah, it's tough. Maybe we edit that out?
• 37:19
  We definitely leave that in. Says a lot about me, doesn't it?
• 37:23
  Shopping in Waitrose? Oh never.
• 37:26
  And you know what this ties me into?
• 37:27
  I'm so glad I forgot about this crime I gears, but this
• 37:30
  absolutely needs to be spoken about.
• 37:32
  Uh oh. I love it when you take the
• 37:36
  pause. I know it's going to be good
• 37:37
  when you take the pause. This.
• 37:38
  Is this is unbelievable? I had the pleasure of being
• 37:42
  invited to a wedding last week and it was unbelievable.
• 37:45
  Really good. Wow this is really the plug bit
• 37:49
  Harry who was a previous guest who was the guy called in The
• 37:55
  Rocket Man episodes? Genuinely crazy story.
• 37:59
  It's a 2 parter about a guy who is away in the army and just
• 38:06
  gets absolutely shelled to hell. And he's a medic so he has to
• 38:09
  deal with that and he's basically the only person that
• 38:10
  can deal with it on his own. Anyway, he was getting married
• 38:13
  to my school friend Lucy and we were at their wedding and sure
• 38:19
  they were a lovely person, didn't know them personally.
• 38:21
  However, dessert came around. I'm a big fan of I've got sweet
• 38:25
  tooth. Big fan of dessert.
• 38:27
  The options were an Eaton mess and a cup and a cheesecake.
• 38:32
  Of course I took both. Is that an option you allowed to
• 38:35
  do that? I did.
• 38:38
  If I wasn't allowed, I'm sorry. Incriminating evidence here.
• 38:41
  As I was carrying the plate back to the table, I heard one of the
• 38:46
  most outrageous sentences. Oh, hello.
• 38:50
  I wasn't even aware at the time until it registered what they
• 38:53
  could be talking about. I will do my best impersonation.
• 39:00
  Oh is that a gateau de fromage stop?
• 39:04
  For those that don't speak fluent French, that very roughly
• 39:09
  translates as cheesecake. And I have never in my life
• 39:15
  heard anyone call a cheesecake a gateau de fremage.
• 39:18
  I don't even think the French call it a gateau.
• 39:20
  I don't think that knows that. Surely that's not a thing from
• 39:22
  Different March. I'm going to start calling it
• 39:24
  that. I love that.
• 39:25
  Have you seen it? There's a Facebook page on on
• 39:28
  Facebook, funny enough, called Things Overhead in Waitrose.
• 39:32
  It's incredible. Yeah, I bet it is.
• 39:34
  That belongs there, Yeah. Where?
• 39:36
  Sorry. Where's the gather de fromage?
• 39:38
  That's tough. Yeah.
• 39:39
  Yeah, that actually, that brings me on to another Grind My Gears,
• 39:42
  which is quite topical as well because it happened at a wedding
• 39:45
  as well. Not the same wedding.
• 39:47
  We didn't get invited to the same wedding.
• 39:49
  We don't do everything together. So I was going for some cake.
• 39:54
  All right, Wedding cake was cut. I was getting over the cake.
• 39:57
  Yeah, the old gateau. It wasn't gateau de fromage.
• 39:59
  It was also lovely cake. And it was a CrossFit wedding
• 40:05
  because the, the the bride and the groom were both
• 40:07
  Crossfitters. And there were lots of
• 40:08
  Crossfitters there. And we were the CrossFit group.
• 40:11
  Everyone knew that we were the CrossFit group.
• 40:13
  And I said, I was like, I'm going to go and get some cake.
• 40:15
  Does anyone want to come? Someone said, oh, Crossfitters
• 40:19
  shouldn't be eating cake. And I've do you know what?
• 40:22
  And this happens more frequently than I care for when I say I'm
• 40:26
  going to eat X whatever something that's may be
• 40:29
  considered unhealthy and someone will say, oh, you shouldn't eat
• 40:33
  that because you're into fitness.
• 40:35
  Typically coming from someone who's not into fitness, I'm
• 40:38
  like, for one, that's just super toxic.
• 40:41
  I don't need that in my life. But for two, I can eat whatever
• 40:45
  I want just anyway because I can eat whatever I want.
• 40:48
  But three, I can also eat whatever I want because I train
• 40:51
  so much that it doesn't matter. Man, it riled me up and I was
• 40:55
  like someone had to hold me back.
• 40:56
  I was like I don't want to ruin this wedding for everyone but
• 40:59
  come on that's so toxic. I didn't.
• 41:01
  That's a grammar gear. I didn't spend an hour staring
• 41:03
  at the PM 5 count my calories to not enjoy the hell out of this
• 41:06
  pizza. Exactly.
• 41:07
  Exactly. It's like, oh, you shouldn't be
• 41:09
  eating pizza, eat whatever you want.
• 41:12
  To genuinely to a level with some of the training that I, I,
• 41:17
  I have done, but also trained with people alongside.
• 41:20
  If they didn't eat things like pizza, they would lose weight.
• 41:24
  Yeah, genuinely like. Sometimes you knew something.
• 41:26
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, full of calories for sure.
• 41:28
  And if that is something that you don't currently do and
• 41:30
  sounds great, rocks, balls, what you?
• 41:33
  And I also I don't want to give unsolicited nutritional advice,
• 41:37
  but sometimes processed foods for performance are necessary.
• 41:41
  No, this is. This has been proven because you
• 41:45
  would look at. Not unsolicited them.
• 41:47
  This is this. There's a study done into
• 41:50
  fuelling throughout endurance events using natural products,
• 41:55
  things like bananas, that sort of thing, versus using standard
• 41:58
  products, The standard, sorry, this standard industry products
• 42:01
  now like gels and that sort of they digest faster, which means
• 42:05
  they fuel you more quickly, which means then you can ingest
• 42:08
  more of them. And actually, throughout certain
• 42:12
  specific sessions, especially of doing things like VO2 Max, your
• 42:15
  body will not be able to maintain the level of
• 42:18
  performance and the after effects of damage from chemicals
• 42:21
  or something is unproven to the point where you should be using
• 42:25
  the artificials because otherwise you're actually
• 42:28
  possibly going to get injured, which is actually damaging.
• 42:31
  I'm sure there's like a case for both and balancing both, but
• 42:34
  yeah, for sure that. Don't be getting up in the
• 42:37
  morning and having a gel. Have some breakfast.
• 42:41
  Don't be a savage. And balance is fine too.
• 42:44
  Yeah, but Donald's breakfast if not have.
• 42:46
  Yeah, or Tim Horton's, which is actually better than McDonald's.
• 42:51
  Anyway, let's move on to the the next topic, offseason training.
• 42:55
  Let's do it. For those that aren't aware, we
• 42:58
  quite frequently talk about high rocks in this podcast.
• 42:59
  Never I know. And World Champs has just
• 43:03
  happened, which means that it is technically a high rocks
• 43:07
  offseason. Depends where you are in the
• 43:08
  world, but for those of us that I know, I don't know anyone
• 43:13
  that's racing for like at least three months now.
• 43:17
  A lot of people. I was going to say in lots of
• 43:19
  other sports this is their off season as.
• 43:21
  Well, this is true. I mean, this is obviously the on
• 43:23
  season for other sports, but off seasons are things that always
• 43:28
  come around. It's actually happening less and
• 43:30
  less often these days because they're getting shorter and
• 43:32
  shorter. They're getting shorter and
• 43:33
  shorter. We're trying to cram more games
• 43:35
  into seasons. Media, especially at the elite
• 43:37
  level, is trying to make seasons go all year round because it's
• 43:41
  great for them and as a viewer, I I don't mind that, but I
• 43:43
  appreciate it's not great for the athletes.
• 43:46
  However, what do you do with your offseason?
• 43:48
  Good question. And this is this is quite a good
• 43:50
  topic because I'm doing something and I'm wondering if
• 43:53
  I'm regretting it straight away. I think it's pretty common that
• 43:57
  at the end of the season people are pretty burnt out by their
• 44:00
  sport. And I know off the back of
• 44:02
  Cardiff I was pretty tired and so I originally thought, well, I
• 44:08
  don't really want to lose the progress of where I've got to.
• 44:10
  So I don't really want to stop training, but maybe I'll take it
• 44:14
  easy for the first two weeks and he's back in.
• 44:16
  What's actually happened is I did that and I thought there's
• 44:19
  no way I'm getting back to doing race simulations and all of
• 44:22
  that. Like isn't just not happening.
• 44:24
  Partly because I'm enjoying how much less pain my body's in, but
• 44:29
  also just I I'm so far out from competing that me being in race
• 44:33
  mode right now would I'll just be tired of it by the time I get
• 44:35
  out to. But this is me just chatting
• 44:39
  about me. You actually have to program
• 44:41
  people. Sure.
• 44:42
  So from your own experience as well, but also when you're
• 44:44
  programming other people. It's interesting and and there's
• 44:46
  like a few things that you just said there anyway that I want to
• 44:49
  talk about, which is the the misconception that doing nothing
• 44:53
  is going to damage your progress.
• 44:55
  And often, especially yourself, who trains so much and a lot of
• 45:00
  the other people that we come into contact frequently with in
• 45:02
  our training trains so much so much, so much that resting and
• 45:06
  recovering is almost traastasized and it's like
• 45:09
  having some time off is good and your body definitely needs it
• 45:12
  and if you're burnt out, it definitely needs it.
• 45:14
  I think what something that you might want to evaluate and
• 45:18
  analyze and it's something that I do with all my clients.
• 45:20
  If you're getting to the end of the season and you are burnt out
• 45:23
  or maybe during season you get burnt out, what are the factors
• 45:27
  that are causing that? And typically number one is
• 45:29
  we're not resting enough or there's little or no variety in
• 45:33
  the training. So it's something that's super
• 45:36
  interesting and and very topical at the moment for us both in our
• 45:39
  training. And I'm doing something similar
• 45:41
  where off the back of my season, I just wanted to do nothing.
• 45:46
  And like that's completely fine. And I promote intuitive training
• 45:49
  at the kind of the beginning of the offseason.
• 45:51
  And I've programmed that for all of my clients have come out of
• 45:54
  World champs. And it's like if you feel like
• 45:56
  training, go and train, doesn't matter what it is.
• 45:59
  So for some of my clients who kind of do a little bit of
• 46:01
  CrossFit and maybe a little bit of high rocks, where we've been
• 46:04
  focusing on high rocks specifically in the build up to
• 46:06
  World Champs because it needs to be specific at that point in the
• 46:09
  season, they've missed out on all of the CrossFit that they've
• 46:12
  wanted to be doing. So now if there's a CrossFit
• 46:14
  class that they like the look of that all their mates are going
• 46:16
  to go and do it. Like have fun with it, train
• 46:19
  with it. If you want to go running, go
• 46:20
  running. If you don't want to go running,
• 46:22
  don't go running. So everything becomes a little
• 46:24
  bit broader and a little bit more chilled until we start
• 46:27
  thinking about kind of scheduling around the new
• 46:30
  season, 2526 season. So if they have races already
• 46:34
  booked in the calendar, lots of people booked in for London or
• 46:36
  there's kind of Madrid, Oslo, Rome at the beginning of what
• 46:40
  our season probably looks like, then it's working back from
• 46:43
  that. But I want to tie that into the
• 46:46
  original topic we were kind of talking about.
• 46:48
  There is like different athletes trying and you use the word
• 46:52
  dabbling, trying different sports during the offseason and
• 46:55
  it is actually more frequent than you'd think.
• 46:58
  Lots of, and I'm using CrossFit as an example because that's my
• 47:01
  background, lots of CrossFit athletes because of their
• 47:04
  training and their genetic predisposition, they're pretty
• 47:07
  powerful people. They're pretty fast, have good
• 47:10
  explosive power. There's actually some famous
• 47:13
  Crossfitters, James Newberry and Tia Claire Tumi have both now
• 47:17
  switched into more High Rock style training.
• 47:19
  But before they did that in the offseason, what they'd do,
• 47:21
  they'd go and train with the Australian bobsleigh team.
• 47:25
  And I think they were on the brink of going to the Winter
• 47:27
  Olympics with the Australian bobsleigh team because all they
• 47:30
  needed to do push the the sled or the bobsleigh, whatever you
• 47:34
  call it, as hard as you can down the runway and then just hop in
• 47:37
  and sit in. You don't need any other skill
• 47:39
  apart from that. So they did that training and
• 47:41
  obviously it's like so far removed from what they're doing
• 47:43
  in CrossFit, but there's these kind of translatable overlay
• 47:47
  skills that you'd see both from CrossFit and in the sport of
• 47:50
  bobsleigh, which is really cool. I think from for me, I haven't
• 47:54
  actually come out of the back end of the season and gone.
• 47:56
  I want to do a different sport. It's not been that I I enjoy the
• 48:00
  training methodology, I enjoy being in the gym, but weirdly
• 48:05
  I've re I've got an interest in something which I used to do and
• 48:10
  I used to not be that bothered by, which is I'm not
• 48:12
  bodybuilding by any by any means of the word, but I would
• 48:17
  describe the back end of the season with the number of races
• 48:19
  I did quite literally as cramming and it was like
• 48:22
  cramming for an exam. So again, that that's probably
• 48:24
  why you experienced this burnout.
• 48:26
  Now it's just too much and and too short a time.
• 48:28
  I'd say between January, which is when I raced in Manchester
• 48:32
  and between and then when I raced in Barcelona, which was
• 48:36
  the back end of April, I actually had a really good
• 48:38
  relationship with my training and I.
• 48:40
  I'd have my tough days and then I would train intuitively and I
• 48:44
  would then have a more of a recovery day, but it would still
• 48:46
  be quite active and get the benefit of doing the Zone 2
• 48:49
  stuff we've spoken about. But then you went from Barcelona
• 48:52
  to London to then, which is? Literally the following week and
• 48:55
  then Cardiff was less than a month after.
• 48:57
  London I I call it you're like kind of stuck in taper purgatory
• 49:00
  and that you can't get any consistency with your training
• 49:03
  block because you're I need to taper for this race and then
• 49:06
  once that's done, I'm going to recover from that race.
• 49:08
  Oh shit, now I have to taper. So it's just like, no wonder
• 49:11
  your performance was just like, probably not where you expected
• 49:14
  it to be and why mentally you're like, oh, I'm.
• 49:16
  Over this shit. And, and in the end it wasn't
• 49:18
  even I think I gave up with the idea of tapering because it was
• 49:22
  like I have recognized the weaknesses from the first race
• 49:27
  and then the second race that I did was the London one, which
• 49:29
  was a double. So I was like, I can kind of get
• 49:31
  away with my weaknesses here. I just need to fix myself up in
• 49:34
  a week's time. So just sort of did very little.
• 49:38
  I was also I'll which didn't help, did very little but did
• 49:40
  the bare minimum and then off the back of the double SI was
• 49:43
  like cool I've got another solo again in Cardiff.
• 49:45
  I've got 4 weeks to fix everything that went on in
• 49:47
  Barcelona. By the time I got to Cardiff and
• 49:49
  actually racing I was not good and all I had been doing was
• 49:53
  spamming what I thought was the problem and in reality wasn't
• 49:56
  necessarily, that wasn't the problem.
• 49:58
  But I hadn't recovered from either of the first two races by
• 50:01
  the time I came to Cardiff. And So what I have come out of
• 50:04
  is I've looked at what went wrong and I'm aware of what in
• 50:09
  theory are my in race weaknesses, but I'm ignoring
• 50:14
  that, not completely, but I'm being what I think is more
• 50:19
  sensible. The overall resounding issue is
• 50:25
  I got worse, way worse at one thing throughout the season and
• 50:27
  I got way better at one thing throughout the season.
• 50:29
  I got way better at running throughout the season, so I got
• 50:32
  a lot faster my runs. Well, obviously I'm an athlete,
• 50:35
  so I still not where I want them to be and I still want them to
• 50:37
  get faster. The one thing I didn't do was
• 50:41
  try and balance and at least maintain my strength.
• 50:44
  Sure. So what ended up happening was I
• 50:46
  spent hours and hours on the bike, on the rowing machine, on
• 50:49
  the ski egg, on the treadmill doing my runs, getting
• 50:53
  aerobically fitter, getting faster.
• 50:55
  But what I wasn't doing was then able to to keep up with my
• 50:58
  strength training and in all honesty, in hindsight, quite
• 51:01
  surprised I didn't get injured again in those.
• 51:04
  But it would have to be in the races.
• 51:05
  And that was partly me being overly cautious in my training
• 51:08
  sessions to not do too much running so I don't get injured.
• 51:11
  But it literally got to the point that I'm going to expose
• 51:13
  myself there. I think I was probably as strong
• 51:17
  on bench press, if not slightly stronger on bench press than
• 51:20
  squats, which I'm a tall athlete.
• 51:23
  So like that shouldn't really be the case for someone.
• 51:27
  That comes from a background where I have a video on my phone
• 51:30
  of me squatting nearly twice my body weight and my bench being
• 51:35
  20 kilos stronger than it is now, but nowhere near my squat.
• 51:39
  And so I'm very much at this point now, I'm like, the
• 51:41
  overall, overall issue was actually my muscular endurance
• 51:45
  wasn't there. But even if the endurance was
• 51:48
  there, the strength wasn't there to be fast in the 1st place.
• 51:50
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 51:51
  And So what I have started to do is I've broken down what these
• 51:54
  exercises are, and I'm looking at the compound lifts that are
• 51:57
  really going to benefit all of them.
• 51:58
  And I'm also looking at things that I have spoken about on the
• 52:01
  podcast before, like my anterior pelvic tilt.
• 52:04
  It's time to stop ignoring them. God, if you've talked about that
• 52:07
  on the podcast before, yeah, So I present to that.
• 52:10
  I don't know, I. Hard, hard.
• 52:11
  Blame that a bit, I'll. Build.
• 52:13
  But basically I've started looking at fundamentally where
• 52:17
  there are, it's almost like the issues in the foundations.
• 52:21
  And so I'm rebuilding the foundations in this offseason,
• 52:24
  which isn't, in theory, as fun as racing.
• 52:28
  Oh, it's not fun at all. It's actually really annoying
• 52:30
  because I'm far more fatigued from these sessions than I
• 52:36
  thought I was going to be. And it comes to the point where
• 52:38
  today, for example, on recording day, I've, I've clearly not
• 52:43
  trained and in my head I'm like, I go out for a run later.
• 52:45
  The part of me is just like I'm supposed to be doing intervals
• 52:48
  tomorrow. What's the point of me running
• 52:49
  tonight? I'm I'm supposed to have done a
• 52:51
  leg day today. I might just do that with my
• 52:53
  interval tomorrow, which probably isn't smart, but I'm
• 52:55
  going off on holiday in two weeks for, for nearly two weeks.
• 52:58
  So I'll recover over that time. But it's just like I'm taking a
• 53:01
  very laid back approach because I just need to be doing the
• 53:04
  right thing for the foundations so that in a month's time I can
• 53:08
  actually be like, cool, we're back into the the sort of
• 53:11
  training that I was doing between January and April, which
• 53:13
  were having a really positive slow effect before it became
• 53:16
  cramming. Yeah, I think it's like when you
• 53:18
  look at it from a basic idea of programming for whatever sport
• 53:23
  you do. And I, I talk about this all the
• 53:25
  time, whether it's on social media or in the podcast.
• 53:27
  Actually, we spoke about it before, but it's you go from
• 53:30
  really broad at the beginning of your offseason to really narrow
• 53:34
  and specific. And it's like this scale of
• 53:36
  specificity, which I think I nailed first time there.
• 53:40
  And we also talk about like a continuum where you have skill
• 53:45
  on one side and then a threshold on the other.
• 53:48
  And that kind of feeds into this broadness into more specific as
• 53:53
  well where you start you just looking at the skill stuff.
• 53:56
  And I know that's a weird word to maybe phrase it as, but that
• 53:59
  skill stuff for now isn't intense at all.
• 54:02
  Obviously that you get that intensity through the lifting,
• 54:05
  but you're probably focusing more on strength.
• 54:07
  When you look at high rocks as the sport, those are kind of
• 54:10
  your skills where you want to develop the strength for things
• 54:12
  like the sled push and the said bull.
• 54:14
  You also do want to develop a little bit of muscular endurance
• 54:17
  for things like warbles and lunges, but that's going to come
• 54:20
  further on in the season because if you were to like really basic
• 54:25
  it down, when you look at what's harder to develop or what takes
• 54:29
  longer to develop, strength always takes longer to develop
• 54:32
  than your aerobic fitness. So yes, your aerobic fitness
• 54:37
  needs some work and it needs some dedication, but you can get
• 54:40
  that relatively faster than your strength stuff.
• 54:43
  And it might be a little bit more painful when you get to
• 54:46
  developing that fitness, but you have residual aerobic capacity
• 54:49
  already. You've already told me that in
• 54:50
  the last season, your running's gone through the roof and you've
• 54:52
  done a load of aerobic work. So now you need to focus on your
• 54:56
  strength. There's going to be a time
• 54:58
  though, where you do have to start balancing out both of them
• 55:00
  together. But because you're laying, I
• 55:02
  love that word, the foundations. And, and I talk about
• 55:05
  periodization or programming. When you periodize the first
• 55:09
  part of your programming, and this is what the offseason
• 55:11
  probably looks like for most people at the moment, whether
• 55:14
  you call it this or not, is accumulation.
• 55:16
  And accumulation is just building the foundation.
• 55:19
  And if you build a really, really broad, really strong
• 55:23
  foundation at the start, then you're going to be able to build
• 55:26
  on top of that. And, and the broader the
• 55:28
  foundation. And that's why I like to talk
• 55:30
  about this broadness, the broader the foundation, the
• 55:32
  wider the top is. So when you think of a building,
• 55:35
  if you want a really big building, you've got to have big
• 55:39
  foundation. Otherwise you can't build big at
• 55:41
  the top right. And it's the same thing when you
• 55:42
  do your your fitness programming or your training programming
• 55:45
  and. It's the same.
• 55:45
  It's looked at the same way for your aerobic training is you
• 55:48
  need to have a wide base to be able to be able to do real.
• 55:50
  And what's what's, what's the wide base low aerobic, right?
• 55:54
  Yeah, exactly. That's super interesting.
• 55:57
  But there's something that I want to key on here, especially
• 56:00
  with social media and the people that you're going to be
• 56:02
  following or getting these messages from about the way you
• 56:04
  train. There's become a bit of an
• 56:08
  understanding from the elites that you should be able to train
• 56:13
  the same the whole way the whole year round as a hybrid athlete
• 56:16
  for something like high Rocks. They are not lying, but they are
• 56:21
  not you. And I would say unless you're at
• 56:23
  that level where really, I mean, if we're dancing around the
• 56:27
  world record, same with every other world record.
• 56:30
  We've spoken on the podcast recently.
• 56:31
  You are talking about physical limitations on certain things,
• 56:35
  not necessarily for the species, but for you.
• 56:38
  If you are up at that level, yes, maybe in five years time
• 56:42
  you find something with your training that would have changed
• 56:43
  the game now. But if you are up at that level
• 56:47
  where you're not going to be able to make a huge change by
• 56:51
  doing something like foundation building in the offseason, then
• 56:54
  yeah, you probably should be trained, Trained the same way
• 56:56
  the whole way around, trying to fix those weaknesses all the
• 56:58
  time. But do it in a way where you're
• 57:00
  managing your recovery to be able to continue doing it.
• 57:03
  It would be nonsensical for someone who is number 3 in the
• 57:07
  world right now to say I'm taking a month off my aerobic
• 57:10
  training fitness just so I can do some strength work.
• 57:12
  So hopefully I can get a bit stronger and come back and do
• 57:14
  all my aerobic fitness again. Because those guys have got
• 57:17
  their first competition in two months.
• 57:20
  So I would say that they're not necessarily lying, but I don't
• 57:22
  think that's necessarily applicable if you are someone
• 57:25
  that isn't in the top one. Well, the top 0.1% of my Ox
• 57:29
  because the 1% of HIROX is a thing in itself.
• 57:33
  But for for someone like me, I know that I'm not there and if I
• 57:38
  pretended to be there I would probably get injured.
• 57:41
  I would probably come back next season and not be much faster.
• 57:44
  And then I would then do the same thing throughout the season
• 57:46
  of chasing, getting fuller by 30 seconds a race.
• 57:49
  Whereas right now I'm turning around and if someone offered me
• 57:53
  up a ticket last minute in September, I I could be 2-3
• 57:57
  minutes slower than my Cardiff time.
• 58:01
  But I would hope that I come out of the race and I don't feel
• 58:03
  anywhere near as like physically drained.
• 58:06
  I've used everything my muscles had in terms of strength to get.
• 58:09
  Me across the line, I think it's always like relative or
• 58:12
  contextual where you are in the season because obviously if
• 58:15
  you're talking about that elite person who's maybe coming third
• 58:19
  in their race and they've got to tweak some things to help them
• 58:21
  win the race. If they're racing again in two
• 58:23
  months, then maybe this isn't the right time for them to be
• 58:26
  building, but they must have done some base building at some
• 58:29
  point in the season or in their last offseason as well.
• 58:32
  Like you can't underestimate the value of that.
• 58:35
  It's going to add. And also these people who are
• 58:38
  racing at the top of the sport, everything in their life is
• 58:41
  dialed in and revolved around that.
• 58:43
  Like, I can't imagine anyone at the top really has a job other
• 58:47
  than being as fast as they can at that sport.
• 58:49
  They've got their nutrition there for them.
• 58:51
  They've actually got everything laid out for them.
• 58:53
  They sleep the right amount. They go don't go to bed at
• 58:56
  midnight every night. They don't scroll on TikTok all
• 58:59
  night. You know, they're they've got
• 59:00
  everything dialed in. And it's, it's not necessarily a
• 59:04
  life that everyone wants to live, but you have to have that
• 59:06
  sacrifice and you have to have the ability to have your life
• 59:10
  revolve around your sport. If you do want to perform at the
• 59:12
  best. And I always say this, it's like
• 59:14
  if you want to dedicate X amount of hours to training in a day,
• 59:18
  you have to be able to dedicate the same amount of hours to your
• 59:21
  recovery. So if you want to train 2 hours
• 59:23
  a day, you've got to recover for two hours a day, whatever that
• 59:26
  looks like. Or so some of these top guys,
• 59:28
  they're looking at like maybe multiple sessions throughout the
• 59:31
  day, maybe they're accumulating like 5 hours in the gym.
• 59:34
  Some of the top CrossFit athletes are in the gym like 4
• 59:37
  to 6 hours a day. But I know that they're not
• 59:39
  doing anything other than recovering and eating and the
• 59:42
  rest of their time. So it's like they, their lives
• 59:45
  are conducive to that. If you've got a nine to five and
• 59:48
  no one's 9 to 5 is 9 to 5, it's more like 8:30 to 6:37 PM.
• 59:53
  If you got like a, a stressful job and you work it like that's
• 59:57
  not conducive to then going to the gym and doing, you don't
• 1:00:00
  have 4 hours in the day to then go to the gym and then four
• 1:00:03
  hours again to recover on top of that and then prepare all your
• 1:00:05
  meal. It just doesn't work.
• 1:00:07
  So it's like whatever you're consuming from social media,
• 1:00:09
  you've got to take that with a pinch of salt.
• 1:00:11
  And this is where I would advise.
• 1:00:14
  I mean, not necessarily really detailed training, but rather
• 1:00:19
  than thinking, I'm going to tell myself what I'm doing in the gym
• 1:00:22
  today, genuinely imagine if you were coaching yourself.
• 1:00:25
  But like in third person view. Because quite often, and I've
• 1:00:28
  this is outside of working out, but quite often, if you have
• 1:00:31
  like a step back conversation with yourself about a lot of
• 1:00:34
  things, you know the answer. And sometimes you just don't
• 1:00:38
  want to listen to it or you don't want to have that
• 1:00:39
  conversation. And quite, quite honestly, that
• 1:00:41
  was what happened to me two weeks ago where I was like, I'm
• 1:00:44
  going to go into this session and I'm going to do this because
• 1:00:46
  that's what I was doing six weeks ago.
• 1:00:49
  And I was like, dude, your, your leg strength is so bad.
• 1:00:54
  Why are you? Worrying about it's like that's
• 1:00:56
  why everyone needs a coach to have someone else rationalize it
• 1:00:59
  for you because you never want to listen to your own advice.
• 1:01:02
  I know that going to bed at midnight and sitting on TikTok
• 1:01:04
  for two hours is not good for me, but do I listen to my own
• 1:01:08
  advice? Very hard to change habits
• 1:01:10
  unless you have someone over your shoulder helping you.
• 1:01:12
  Yeah, big time. And I mean, that's partly the
• 1:01:14
  fault of accounts like the Mine Test podcast having such great
• 1:01:18
  content. It keeps you locked in.
• 1:01:21
  And most of our content, yeah, now seems to be crying my gears.
• 1:01:25
  Yeah. Or the game.
• 1:01:26
  Oh, nice. Thanks.
• 1:01:28
  I see what you've. Already tried on that one.
• 1:01:29
  Very good. Charles is bringing the game
• 1:01:31
  this week. I am.
• 1:01:33
  I've been told that he's going back to the old days and he's
• 1:01:35
  doing a quiz. More fun than that.
• 1:01:37
  He's making it. How I made all of the quizzes I
• 1:01:40
  gave to him. He's making it.
• 1:01:42
  Impossible, No. When I go back and look at the
• 1:01:44
  quizzes that you gave to me, they weren't actually that hard,
• 1:01:46
  but I'm just clearly not very good at them.
• 1:01:49
  My general knowledge is clearly terrible and there's some of
• 1:01:52
  them were quite niche. OK, so I'll the yeah, I've gone
• 1:01:56
  back to the old fashioned quiz and what makes it difficult, I
• 1:01:59
  think is the fact that I'm not going to give you any multiple
• 1:02:02
  choice. So you're going to have to go
• 1:02:04
  and be confident and just commit to an answer.
• 1:02:06
  And for the benefit of the listeners, I'm going to do a
• 1:02:10
  really, really big effort into answering concisely, not
• 1:02:13
  spending too long thinking, maybe thinking with the first
• 1:02:16
  thing, maybe going with the first thing that comes into.
• 1:02:17
  This is the point where everyone's turning.
• 1:02:19
  Off this this is and this is a really important part for people
• 1:02:22
  to have fun. Yeah, I think, yeah, everyone
• 1:02:24
  make a conscious effort to play along at home.
• 1:02:26
  OK, So we'll start easy, very easy.
• 1:02:30
  England rugby player Mike Tindall married which member of
• 1:02:33
  the British royal family in 2011.
• 1:02:37
  Oh Angus, I thought this was a shoe in.
• 1:02:41
  You've been using the word shoe in in this episode.
• 1:02:43
  Now I don't really know what it means.
• 1:02:46
  It's not this, it's. Not this again, I don't this
• 1:02:50
  happened a few episodes ago, but I have a letter in my head that
• 1:02:53
  I think is in the name. It's not EZ.
• 1:02:56
  Nice good start. Yeah, but I you have nothing
• 1:03:03
  other than that. No, not really you.
• 1:03:04
  Should have just committed and being like big Zed.
• 1:03:08
  Big, big Z. It's I don't.
• 1:03:11
  I actually don't know if her name starts with the Z.
• 1:03:15
  It does. It does, yes.
• 1:03:18
  Is it like Zoe? It's close.
• 1:03:21
  But Zara? Nice.
• 1:03:22
  Yep. Can I have a second name?
• 1:03:24
  No. You know Big Zara.
• 1:03:26
  You know, Big Z, Big Zara. For conciseness.
• 1:03:30
  Zara Tyndall. Nice.
• 1:03:32
  Yeah. Zara Tyndall, you can have half
• 1:03:34
  a point. Zara Phillips.
• 1:03:35
  Yeah, OK. Formerly known as.
• 1:03:38
  Yeah, all right #2 on a standard dart board, which number lies
• 1:03:43
  between 9:00 and 11:00? I'm.
• 1:03:47
  Trying to picture where that is on the board and I think it's I
• 1:03:51
  feel like it's on the right hand side of the board and a number D
• 1:03:54
  comes straight to my mind and I promise the listeners that's
• 1:03:56
  what I do 16. Or 14.
• 1:04:00
  It was a good guess it was a. Good.
• 1:04:01
  Is it do you know? Do you know off is over your
• 1:04:03
  head where that is on the dartboard?
• 1:04:04
  No idea. OK, OK, again we'll go easy.
• 1:04:10
  Which English football club is television cook Delia Smith
• 1:04:14
  connected to? Oh, she's actually a big
• 1:04:23
  supporter as well. Doesn't she she own it?
• 1:04:27
  Yeah, she's a party owner again, doing what I said.
• 1:04:34
  Feel like I've done the letter thing again here, but.
• 1:04:38
  Burnley. No.
• 1:04:40
  Do you want another guess? Do you?
• 1:04:42
  Want is it B? No, that doesn't sound great.
• 1:04:48
  I've been giving you the easy options today as well Is.
• 1:04:56
  It like Everton. Who is it?
• 1:05:00
  Norwich shame. Was never going to get.
• 1:05:04
  There. All right, well, I'll stay with
• 1:05:05
  the football ones because now, again, I thought that was an
• 1:05:07
  easy one, but now I'm going really easy just to give you
• 1:05:09
  something, build the morale again.
• 1:05:12
  Which word comes after Swindon, Ipswich and Huddersfield in the
• 1:05:19
  names of these three town. Nice.
• 1:05:21
  It was easy, wasn't it? Yeah, it was a nice.
• 1:05:23
  Thank you. You're welcome.
• 1:05:24
  That was a morale boost. We're back.
• 1:05:26
  I was. Really scared when you said that
• 1:05:27
  it was going to be an easy morale.
• 1:05:28
  Booster I had to OK in 2000 it's another easy one who became the
• 1:05:34
  first British rower to win gold medals at 5 consecutive Olympic
• 1:05:39
  Games Steve Redgrave he's even been with the SER yeah that was
• 1:05:45
  good all right oh shame OK another easy one there's some
• 1:05:54
  which are like really niche from like at this point knowing how
• 1:05:58
  bad you were you're. Going to have to give me one of
• 1:06:00
  those at some point. Yeah, I will.
• 1:06:01
  How many colored rings are on the Olympic flag?
• 1:06:05
  I. Feel like that's a trick
• 1:06:08
  question. Five.
• 1:06:12
  Yeah, easy. It should just be rings.
• 1:06:14
  I thought you they are colored. I thought you're going to say
• 1:06:16
  like, oh, technically this one's not a color.
• 1:06:19
  I'd never do that. OK, All right.
• 1:06:21
  The headquarters great of the International Ice Hockey
• 1:06:27
  Federation is in which European city?
• 1:06:31
  Oh, oh, Vienna. No go again.
• 1:06:35
  I liked how concise that was though.
• 1:06:37
  OK, it was wrong though. Yeah, thanks.
• 1:06:40
  Sometimes any decision is better than Amsterdam, no?
• 1:06:44
  Just thinking of cool places that they have it.
• 1:06:47
  Go again. One more, one more.
• 1:06:58
  Milan. Zurich.
• 1:07:01
  Damn, same language as Vienna a little bit.
• 1:07:05
  OK in betting. Oh yeah, OK.
• 1:07:10
  What odds are known as pony or macaroni?
• 1:07:21
  Odds that rhyme Pony and macaroni.
• 1:07:34
  Really weird. Is it where?
• 1:07:38
  No. I need the odds.
• 1:07:42
  Like an actual number? It'll be something to oh.
• 1:07:46
  OK, 11:00 to 1:00. 25 to 1. What?
• 1:07:58
  Do you know why it's called Ponyo macaroni?
• 1:08:00
  No idea. Damn, no idea.
• 1:08:02
  These are all good follow up questions OK the listeners will
• 1:08:05
  never get the answers to. If you actually know the answers
• 1:08:07
  to these. Please send them here.
• 1:08:08
  All right, we're going back easy.
• 1:08:10
  We've got a few more. Which national team won the 2011
• 1:08:15
  Rugby Union World Cup? The All Blacks.
• 1:08:19
  Easy. Very good.
• 1:08:21
  OK, which tennis player won the 2005 Wimbledon men's final?
• 1:08:27
  Or De Federer? He's on a roll, all right.
• 1:08:31
  Who did Fabio Capello replace as England football manager in
• 1:08:36
  2008? Steve McLaren.
• 1:08:41
  Who's this guy? Mate, I know sport.
• 1:08:43
  He's on a roll. I just I don't know where
• 1:08:46
  headwise are. I know sport.
• 1:08:48
  Here we go. Which British female swimmer won
• 1:08:52
  a silver medal at the 1980 Moscow Olympic Games for the 400
• 1:08:56
  meter medley? I know sport, no way you get
• 1:09:00
  this. English 400m swimmer, 1980, No
• 1:09:13
  1984. Nineteen. 80 OK No way does that
• 1:09:16
  change your answer. Just trying to put a little.
• 1:09:19
  Yeah, all in your because I know 1984.
• 1:09:30
  Lydia no. Elizabeth.
• 1:09:32
  No. Go on, Sharon.
• 1:09:36
  Davis, obviously. It's my next guest, isn't it?
• 1:09:39
  That would have been. That's a hard question.
• 1:09:41
  No one knows that. No, it's.
• 1:09:43
  Used to Sharon and it's who no one knows.
• 1:09:45
  That based off how how arrogant you were getting.
• 1:09:47
  I know. All right, here we go.
• 1:09:49
  There's only a few more. Which famous racehorse is buried
• 1:09:52
  next to the finishing post of the Aintree Racecourse?
• 1:09:56
  Galileo, Great name for a. Horse though.
• 1:09:59
  Yeah, it is. It's also a great name for a
• 1:10:01
  horse, Another famous racehorse. London Silver, That's a great
• 1:10:10
  horse that I've seen. What is wrong with?
• 1:10:12
  You. No, I don't know.
• 1:10:15
  You do Really. Yeah.
• 1:10:17
  Red Rum. Oh, be I'm gonna have not like
• 1:10:20
  it. All right stuff.
• 1:10:21
  Two more which English football club won the 1994 FA Cup?
• 1:10:31
  I know sport. Leeds United.
• 1:10:33
  No, close. It's.
• 1:10:37
  Not Manchester United. Oh yeah, that was too easy.
• 1:10:39
  Yeah, got you there. All right.
• 1:10:41
  This one is so neat as well. I'll be impressed if you get
• 1:10:44
  this final question. I've lost count of how many you
• 1:10:48
  got right, but you were on a roll in the that wasn't
• 1:10:50
  impressive I I reckon. I mean, yeah, that's no, that'll
• 1:10:53
  be the that'll be the quiz of the podcast.
• 1:10:55
  I will cut it there. Which British snooker player was
• 1:10:59
  known by the nickname Hurricane? Well, I mean the the answer that
• 1:11:08
  I end up saying is just made-up. There is zero chance that you
• 1:11:11
  get this correct. Is he also is he?
• 1:11:23
  Is he in his offseason, decides to dabble in other sports and he
• 1:11:27
  is formally known as the England captain upfront playing for
• 1:11:34
  Bayern Munich as well Harry the Hurricane.
• 1:11:37
  Kane isn't, unfortunately. That would have been good.
• 1:11:40
  Yeah. Alex Higgins, obviously.
• 1:11:43
  Obviously. Obviously, the hurricane.
• 1:11:46
  The the one and only. I can't wait to go.
• 1:11:50
  I can't wait to go. I've been mugged off in this,
• 1:11:52
  I'm really sorry. See how many you got right.
• 1:11:55
  Yeah, I mean that was actually is way harder doing Quiz than
• 1:11:59
  some of the other games that we've got away with.
• 1:12:00
  Well, some of the games are not like you can't win or lose like
• 1:12:04
  the game we did last time. For me, that was like a pity
• 1:12:06
  game. That wasn't a pity game.
• 1:12:08
  It was a fun game. I had a good time guys.
• 1:12:09
  If you I'd be genuinely interested as a listener, which
• 1:12:13
  sort of thing you find more interesting to listen to and
• 1:12:15
  kind of play along with while you are listening or watching.
• 1:12:18
  I'd also want to know how many of you guys got those questions.
• 1:12:21
  And that you can do by telling us in the comments section.
• 1:12:25
  So if you're watching on YouTube, then Scroll down a bit.
• 1:12:29
  If you're not watching on YouTube, head over let us know
• 1:12:32
  how you got on and also let us know, like I said, if you prefer
• 1:12:35
  quiz style things, if you prefer the other games that we've
• 1:12:37
  brought along, if you've got one that stands clear, definitely
• 1:12:40
  let us know because we'd love to do that more your.
• 1:12:42
  Game options. Yeah, if you've got good ideas,
• 1:12:45
  oh, you want to make one up and we can give it a trial run like
• 1:12:47
  I did in the last episode, then absolutely we'll give it a go.
• 1:12:52
  To find us Is Mindsets podcast on everything or Mindsets Under
• 1:12:55
  Score podcast on all socials. We've mentioned ours previously.
• 1:12:59
  It's Angus under score Cook on Instagram and Chuck's under
• 1:13:03
  score Life under score on Instagram.
• 1:13:05
  I'm glad you did it for me. So again, wraps up another
• 1:13:09
  episode. Also can't believe we both kind
• 1:13:14
  of got Wimbledon right. Incredible.
• 1:13:18
  We're just too good at this. So with that, we're not going to
• 1:13:20
  do any more predictions and we will look forward to seeing you
• 1:13:23
  all in the next episode.