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"I'm Still Out Here": Kit Cessna on Aging Strong, Fitness & Never Quitting · Veteran Wellness Podcast

• Kit Cessna: they came by us so fast they looked like streets of color, They didn't even notice our presence. And I gotta be honest, it hurt for a little bit. You know, that used to be me. ERIK: It used to be us, yeah. Kit Cessna: But then the other thought came along just as fast, I'm still out here. ERIK: Good morning, Ket Susna. How the hell are you today? Kit Cessna: Pretty good? Pretty good yourself? ERIK: I'm a little sore, as I mentioned earlier, a couple days of chainsawing and totin rounds kinda kinda makes you wonder. Kit Cessna: Yeah, that'll do it. ERIK: Yeah. But it also leads into this discussion, you know, on what is a healthy lifespan versus health span. And that's where how long you really live and how long it's good. So Kit Cessna: Exactly. ERIK: and we've constantly harped on this, I think for a long time, that the more active you are, obviously the better off you're gonna be. And I was looking earlier pre notes, life span in nineteen hundred Y expectancy was thirty two and now it's doubled to like seventy-three. But people those last dozen years or ten years are in illness and disease. So your your health span is much less than your lifespan. So how do you connect those dots and make it, you know, I want to fall over dead healthy. Kit Cessna: Exactly. And if that means fewer actual years, I'll ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: take it. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. No one y as you said, you don't want anybody wiping your ass. You know, it's like that's that's not a win. Kit Cessna: Exactly. Exactly. Life in your years versus years in your life. ERIK: Mm. Yeah. Yeah, and I looked up you know, I was doing a little intel on this previously, but obviously the big things are no brainer to you and I. No smoking. Your BMI is in check, you know, their numbers fluctuate to what healthy is. moderate to vigorous exercise. Thirty minutes a day. You know people don't do that. The diet, the intake. You know, we staying off anything GMO'd or processed, you know, excessive sugars and all that. I mean, none of this is really splitting atoms. And then the alcohol angle too, you know, I say none, but you know, they say moderate, which whatever. But your liver's not moderate. So what do you think? Kit Cessna: I think it's a combination of all of You I think one mistake people make is they think they gotta go all in, cold turkey. You know, if they're gonna take a corrective action, well I gotta do this, I gotta do that. But the problem with that is is you'll probably bail out at some point. I think a better way to do it is start with percentages and move towards your goal in percentages. And if you end up eating a slice of birthday cake at some loved one's birthday and that's it for half a year, what difference does it make? You know, if you end up I don't drink either for other reasons, but if you end up sipping a glass of wine once in a while in the grand order of things, what difference does it make? That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the opposite. I'm ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: always drinking alcohol, which is sugar in a bottle. I'm always eating Snickers bars. I'm sitting on my butt, inside, out of the sun. You know, that's the other extreme. That's the extreme we're talking about. An occasional ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: dalliance into something, you know, you'd have to keep control of it. But I I don't think you need to go the total cold turkey, you know, ninja level, absolute discipline, because that's going to take a lot of other things out of your life, and very few people are able to do that. And then once they fail, your first failure will knock you out of the saddle. That's the problem with that. ERIK: Mm. Yeah, and c and that's consistency. You know, the eighty twenty Kit Cessna: Consistency. ERIK: rule. You know, eighty twenty. And I I try to maintain that. My twenty can kinda can be twenty two or twenty three sometimes. But you know, if it's in the house, you'll eat it. Don't bring it in the house. Kit Cessna: Don't pre don't don't pull it off the shelf to begin with. ERIK: Yeah. Don't don't drink your calories. You know, these frappuccinos and this these coffees these people drink. They're getting all their calories without even eating food. And then they add, you know, other shit. So it's just metabolically impossible to to do that consistently and not have an illness. There's no way. Kit Cessna: Yeah, even if you dodge a catastrophic illness, your quality of life is gonna be down and ERIK: Yeah. And it also had a a very good explanation that lifestyle trumps genetics and I totally believe that. I think we can modify that DNA at all times. Kit Cessna: Well, I've heard the genetics argument my whole life. Here's where genetics comes in. Genetics is the difference between the guy who wins the Tour de France and the guy who came in second in thirty five seconds over twenty one hundred miles of racing. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: Somewhere in those thirty five seconds lies a genetic factor. There's genetics. ERIK: Yeah, I I that's what I believe too and and everybody was always, Well, you know, my my relatives have a heart issue, I have a heart issue. I'm like, bullshit. Their lifestyle sucked. They smoked, they drank, they ate like shit, and they didn't know how to spell exercise. I said, That has nothing to do with you being the offspring of them and your heart. And th they just give me the stunned mullet look, you know, you're like, Huh? I'm like it it's You're signing yourself up for it. Kit Cessna: Preemptive surrender. ERIK: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and we've never done that for sure. Kit Cessna: We we didn't have room to ERIK: Yeah, I know, but I I was I was trying to help, you know, roll those rounds onto the trailer and lift them up onto the other thing, and I'm just like, this is another fucking selection event. Kit Cessna: Yeah. ERIK: And if I quit, it's only I quit. No one else quits, you know? And I'm just like, why do we do this? And then I'm like, because this is what we do. We don't quit. You know, a we a mentally weaker person would have tapped out. in fifteen minutes yesterday and it took us two or three hours to cut all this, to roll it up onto the trailer, organize it, and and it was maxed out cardio, if you ever have maxed out cardio. And I just, you know, people would be like, fuck that, I'm not doing it. I'll I'll buy it split. Kit Cessna: Yeah, absolutely. Well, the one difference I see though When I was twenty five doing that, I wouldn't have ever shut down. At sixty ERIK: No. Kit Cessna: six, you're gonna give me twenty seconds to grab a sip of water. Then I'll get back ERIK: yeah, no, I Kit Cessna: on it, you know. ERIK: I I ordered some stops to movement and Kit Cessna: Yeah. ERIK: we would sit on those rounds and gasp, you know, but then it's all still in your head. You're like, Okay, I'm good to go. And and breathing. I was having to, you know, do a lot more breathing control because that's where you get a lot of your strength. You know, you learn that shit in karate, you know, w when to breathe and when to hold, you know, to keep the tension in your body and your fascia and And timing, you know, you're getting your timing out. So it's all those little things that, you know, we learned by accident. No one taught us any of that stuff. But I'm like, holy shit, you know, it all that does matter. Because if you didn't have that base knowledge, y you would be buying it by the cord for five hundred bucks. Kit Cessna: Yeah, yeah. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: Yes, sir. ERIK: And also one of their points was fitness trumps thinness. Just because you're skinny Kit Cessna: Yes it does. ERIK: doesn't mean you're healthy. Kit Cessna: Yeah, I just saw something on that on YouTube they're talking about that exact factor that 'cause th that's where genetics can come in also, is where you naturally have a very thin body mass. That you're seeing genetics there in some cases. but that doesn't mean the person is healthy, that doesn't mean they're cardiolascular fit, that doesn't mean that they're muscularly fit, it just means that their body style or their metabolism makes them like that. It's ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: probably the preferable between that and morbidly obese. If you had to choose ERIK: Correct. Kit Cessna: one, I'd choose this, you know, the real thin. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: But it's not necessarily an indicator of health. ERIK: Yeah, but your your all cause mort mortality doubles and triples if you're obese. You know, it's that's like the body, what can you do? You can only hang so much shit on it. And yeah, I mean when you double and triple your chances of dying. I mean, look back in COVID, the comorbidities. Well, no shit, you know, if you're if you're grossly obese and the flu comes around. pneumonia, you know, it's just really, you know, it's a body can only fight so much. And if it's fighting constantly every day just to survive because of your shitty lifestyle, you add something in, i i it's you know, it's what was the old attack position seven to one or something like that? You add the eighth one, you get it, you know. Yeah. Kit Cessna: Yeah, yeah. That's it. You're going down. When you're struggling to breathe sitting still, ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: just about anything can get you. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, and that's I don't know how that's hard for people to understand. Or have they emotionally and mentally surrendered to it. Kit Cessna: think that's probably it. I you you gotta be a little careful about that and not that I'm worried about hurting people's feelings, but I've also gotten to the point in life where I don't push a confrontation if I don't have to. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: So I've been kind of gentle in the questioning about that and and the conclusion I come to, and this is just my opinion, it's not a matter of they don't understand. It's just I'm not gonna think about And that's human nature one one. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, but you know, your soul gets this body for this trip. And it can be a Lamborghini or it can be a Peught, or it can be a Mac truck. And once you realize that and it's actually well within your control, unless there's extraneous circumstances, you know, you you can modify so much over time. Kit Cessna: But look at our predecessors, because this is what I was thinking about in this. Okay, I was looking back and I say, who raised me? The people ERIK: Mm. Kit Cessna: who raised me who were the World War II, Depression, World War II, Korean War, Korea, World War II, I kind of put in the same basket. They the ones who raised me. So what were these people like when it came to this subject? What were they like when it came to taking care of themselves and being healthy? And pretty much, I gotta tell you, they suck. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: They would you talked about houses, you know, they had the house that they paid a mortgage on, and then they had the house into which God put their immortal spirit. One house got everything. I and and these people I mean, they had some beautiful places, a lot of hard work, a lot of effort, ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: and the house of their spirit was trashed out by the time they were fifty. Grossly overweight, like you said, smoking. drinking themselves, you know, into oblivion. and so by the time they reached the end of their life, that last ten years was pretty terrible. That was the example at least I had growing up. They didn't ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: if you mentioned exercise to you were crazy. And the ERIK: yeah. Kit Cessna: the couple of times I do remember a couple of folks of their age group who took the opposite track. One guy in particular, he turned into a marathon right. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: I and that's when all this stuff was getting popular, you know, in the sixties and seventies. You had kind of a health craze and marathons and stuff. The few people who took that road, I wouldn't say they were ostracized, but they were placed into the category of nuts. They're crazy. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, correct. And that's what I was gonna say. Cause we had I'd see the same people PTing around West Virginia, which is unheard of. And people looked at them with a side eye. It's like you moron, they're they're fit as fiddles, you know, they're running with hand weights, you know? And Kit Cessna: Last time they went to a doctor was you know, was probably on their delivery day. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, and what what kind of helped me when I was a kid, you know, there was a lot of National Guard guys around that were still in. So they had PT tests and they still had to PT, you know, and and they weren't doing it 'cause they wanted to. They were doing it because they had to. But they did it in a logical way that it worked. You know, they were S F. y the the leg units, yeah, obviously they didn't PT but once a year they would do their walk around the track. But, you know, I had multiple SF guys in the guard there when I was young, living very near and and as a teacher, one of my teachers was. And you didn't get away with shit there. I mean you're PTing, you know. And I really, you know, value that because otherwise you wouldn't have got that exposure. Kit Cessna: No, and and I I got introduced to it by a friend of mine in high school, when I was a junior in high school. And he just out of the blue, he was a runner. Out of the blue, I got like twenty-five or thirty bucks for a birthday present. He shows up at my house and says, Come on, man. We went down to the shoe store and he says, This is the set of shoes you want to buy. I'm like, why do I need these shoes? Because I'm gonna teach you about running. Yeah, I s it sucked the first, you know, dozen times or so, but then I caught the bug. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: And that was it. And and I got accused of being crazy. You know, why are you getting up at four o'clock in the morning and heading up and running around the gravel pit? You know? why ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: are why are you always out exercising? What are you trying to prove? That was always the question. What are you trying to prove? Now ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: I couldn't have put my thoughts into the words I can now But I was thinking was why would I prove anything to you or anybody else? Why would you assume ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: I'm proving something? ERIK: Yeah. And if I can do something you can't, we proved something there. Kit Cessna: I I left that unsaid. ERIK: Yeah, I know. I know, but that's where the old the old Eric would have come in with that verbal backhand. Kit Cessna: Exactly, yeah. ERIK: You know. As Steve wrote on my NCOER one time, th thank him for not getting me promoted, was Eric's candor is sometimes appreciated. I took it as a compliment, Kit Cessna: Ha ha ha. ERIK: but the promotion board didn't, I guess, you know. But he also typed Kit Cessna: Right. ERIK: on there, Eric is physically tough. I'm like, I like that too, you know. Kit Cessna: Exactly. ERIK: But in a peacetime military you don't get promoted with those. So thank you, Steve. Yeah. And remember how scrawny he was, and he'd pound a case of beer a night and outrun us. Kit Cessna: He would. And I always kinda wondered about that because he would routinely do that. He smoked, remember? I think it was like ERIK: It smoked like a freight train. Kit Cessna: a freight train, it was Marlborough's, you know, so he was hacking ERIK: Yep. Kit Cessna: a Marlboro in a case of beer a night and he could outrun us at that time. ERIK: Correct, yeah. I'd hate to see him now. Kit Cessna: I hate to see him now, yeah. ERIK: Yeah, he's he's he's probably pretty rough. Yeah, you're right about that. Yeah, well he was only Kit Cessna: Unless he had some sort of awakening. He he's he ERIK: probably forty back then maybe. Kit Cessna: He'd have been around that, yeah. ERIK: Yeah, forty, forty two. And Tomasi too, but that's kinda I would say some genetics on that. That dude was fit. And he he had the genes to be fit. You know, there was a British in the wood pile, we used to always say, 'cause he he wasn't Kit Cessna: yeah, yeah. ERIK: the status quo Phaean. He was more he was a a block of muscle, dude. And I used to work out with him. And dude you couldn't stop that savage. He had no sense of stop. Kit Cessna: Now I wonder what twenty or twenty five years of smoking and drinking and sitting on his butt would have ended up. I don't think he did that, but I wonder I wonder ERIK: No, he didn't do that. No. Kit Cessna: what that would have resulted in. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, that that would have been a good case study, but I wouldn't wish that upon him. now one time years ago my youngest daughter Samantha was out in Vegas with me, staying with Randy, and she was eating just some shit food, and he sat her down, he goes, Samantha, you are a Lamborghini. You have to put high test fuel in your engine for it to run optimum. You can't be a Lamborghini if you're eating sugar, if you're eating crap, you're eating this and that. And that stuck with me more than her, I think. I don't know. But it's think about it. You know what you put in is what you're gonna get out. Kit Cessna: are what you eat to a large ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: degree, absolutely. and I think there's been some improvement in that overall. I think that there's enough people who are looking toward a more healthy eating that I have noticed I have noticed the differences in the grocery store. You know, they're there are little small differences. Economics would force that. You know people ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: stop buying the junk, well they're gonna quit selling. ERIK: Yeah. Well that's true, yeah. And alcohol. I mean there's a huge debate out there that alcohol's, you know, taking a hit because people just aren't drinking. The younger people aren't. Which I'm like, that's not a bad thing. But you know, where Kit Cessna: Yes sir. ERIK: are they moving that energy to, hopefully, something productive. but I harp on this all the time and and it's the different types of detox also. Cause if you have not done the right thing for a while, how do you get rid of it? You know? And if you think about, you know, a 30 year old car, if you've never changed out the filters and the fluids and and just things that have rotted, how's it gonna perform? We're the same way, you know, and I do my daily detox and my kids get tired of hearing it. But, you know, you wake up and and the how you start your day really helps. You know, mine's a little aggressive. You know, I start with the walk 'cause the dog forces you to do that, you know. Take him out. I I do five miles, but hell if you did a half a mile, it's better than nothing. But it gets everything moving, you know, your synovial fluid and all your joints are are gelled up at night because you're not moving. But then I roll into you know, salt water, you know. Get we're we're an electric battery, you know, solar powered. So I get that rolling, then I do my coffee enema. Dude, I feel you know, you've been collecting toxins all night. You know, your body that's why you sleep is to flush everything. And I feel like a million dollars after that, because the coffee the caffeine in the coffee actually causes your liver to spasm. So it flushes out your liver. Because if your liver's not functioning, nothing else is functioning. And then, you know, I go in from there. You know, you gotta sweat every day, you gotta get some sun every day, you gotta breathe, you know, you gotta get that exchange of oxygen because I I studied a bunch of exercises years ago and the fittest athletes are the ones that breathe the most. It's an oxygen exchange. And that's either your hydro you're oxygenating your body to a hundred percent because of swimming or biking or this or that. But No disease can live in a hundred percent oxygen. That's why hyperbaric chambers are a good substitute, you know. So I don't know. That's what I harp on, you know. Kit Cessna: You mentioned one thing in there, get outside. Okay, ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: get outside in the sun. If you think about the last fifty years or so, we have been sold this idea through the cultural narrative, through the companies that sell sunblock and everything, that the that that star hanging up there in space is our worst enemy. And ERIK: No. Kit Cessna: that if you walk outside, you're just walking into a cancer ward. Well no, it's a load of garbage. You got to get outside into the sun, into the fresh air. I can't imagine what I would be like after a year of having to work inside a cubicle somewhere. From coming in when it's dark, yeah, ERIK: no. my god, we'd be be a wreck. Kit Cessna: leaving when it's dark, I I would be s yeah, I'd be I'd be done. yeah, like you said, sweat. Get out and sweat every ERIK: Well, on the s Yeah. Kit Cessna: day. ERIK: Yeah. Your skin's your largest organ. And if you don't do it via work, infrared sauna. There's plenty of gyms that have There's Hotworks who that's their whole business model. you can get a cheap one, you can get a a moderately priced one. But if I can't exercise, I jump in a sauna every day. Because that's your largest organ, and if it's clogged up, every other filter's clogged up. Now with the sun block, that's what's causing the cancer, because it's it's not allowing your body to adjust for the sun. Because even when you wear sunglasses, your eyes are are photosensitive to the light and it produces an enzyme in your body to toughen up the skin to be able to take the sun. So if you go out with sunblock on and sunglasses, your body doesn't know the sun's on it. So of course there's gonna be negative effects. I quit wearing sunglasses years ago. And I don't burn. I tan. Yeah. Kit Cessna: Me too. I haven't haven't wardeman. Yeah, same here. I don't I don't put on sunblock, I don't wear sunglasses, and I'm just fine. ERIK: If I put on anything, I put on coconut oil. Because I also kinda in my own mind, I haven't read it anywhere, is that if your skin's moist with an oil, it can't burn. 'Cause what really burns is the dead skin 'cause you've never exfoliated. You know. I I have my sh scrubbing glove in my shower. I scrub down every shower to get rid of dead skin. Then when I get out and I have coconut oil. That's why I'm look so supple and young, you know. Kit Cessna: Is that it? ERIK: Don't be jelly. Kit Cessna: Hey, you know, and I tell you what, in comparison to what is the norm, we we both ain't doing too bad. ERIK: yeah, for sure. Yeah, we get positive affirmations of that all the time. Yeah. But think of the you know, everybody's dementia, Alzheimer's, this and that. I think it's clogged up filters. I'm sorry. You've never detoxed a freaking day in your life. And, you know, you get plaque buildup or you get something that hasn't ever flushed or you've never fasted. 'Cause fasting cleans you better than anything. One, two, three, ten, whatever days of water fast you do, what religion doesn't have a fast built into it? Hmm? Kit Cessna: Exactly. Yeah. You gotta quit putting stuff ERIK: You'll live longer. Kit Cessna: in, right. Quit putting stuff in and and give itself a chance to clean itself out. you talked about ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: dementia. I've I've watched this a number of times. I am there's another factor in there too, and this is opinion. Too much time with your face on a screen, if you are experiencing dementia or that stuff, will exacerbate it. I am convinced ERIK: Hmm. Kit Cessna: that having that television on round the clock contributed to my mother's dementia. I don't ERIK: Huh. Kit Cessna: think it caused it. I ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: think it contributed to it. You know, you're you think about when you look at a screen for entertainment, you are turning your brain off. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: and all of the feed ERIK: Yeah, you're right. Kit Cessna: is coming in, you're not having to use your imagination. It's ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: all being presented to you. Well that's giving your brain a break. You know. ERIK: Yeah, you're right. It's it's a muscle in my world. and you and I've always done it. We've always read. We're always, you know, critical thinking and and ciphering things out. And he's you know, Joe Blow, if they don't use that, there's no way it can work. But I think fasting, I I'm sorry, I I harp on it too. I have a lot of things I harp on. But I I fast one day a week, you know, th usually a thirty-six hour once a week, two or three days, once a month, and then yearly I try to do like a week to seven days. Now it's boring as fuck. There's no flavor, there's no Preparation of food, shopping for food, preparing food. It's just you get so many more hours in your day, truthfully, that it's the worst part is the boredom. So you gotta find ways to divert that attention. But after day three, you're not hungry. Your body is humming, your brain is humming. I can write books like it's crazy after day three. And it's free. The the the healthiest things out there, kit, are free. Water, you know, fasting, walking, sun, breathing. None of that costs any money. It just takes a little discipline to schedule it. Kit Cessna: That's it, just about a little bit of time. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: say anybody that everything you mentioned plus body weight exercises alone can put your upper body in in the in the condition it should be in you know body weight ERIK: Correct. Kit Cessna: exercises alone ERIK: Yeah. And that saves all the stress on your joints. Cause like Vega, he he's still lifting houses, you know. And I'm like, that's great, Joe. I would love to see I'm gonna dissect you after you die. A and and look at your joints, 'cause there's zero cartilage. There's just grind. It's just pure Kit Cessna: Yeah. ERIK: mental discipline doing it. You know, and we know Tommy Wilburn, remember Tommy? Kit Cessna: yeah. ERIK: His arthritis is Horrendous man. It it pains me to watch him walk. And you know how hard that man is. That's the hardest man I ever met. Kit Cessna: yeah, I was cadre when ERIK: But longevity. Kit Cessna: he went I was cadre up there in West Virginia when he went through selection. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: And he was he was the talk of the selection cadre. ERIK: I'll bet. That dude's hard. I've seen him do some shit. I'm like, Tommy, don't do that. He'd go running 20 miles in jungle boots in the desert. And I'm like, what is wrong with you, man? He'd go. And he got lost one night, one day, or he went out in the evening running. And it got so he got so far away, he couldn't see the lights of Artesia. So he had to wait till it got darker to see where the city was to run back. I'm like, okay, Tom, we need to talk. It's a little excessive. If you get lost in a desert running, you've ran too far. Kit Cessna: You've ran too far, yeah. ERIK: Yeah. And I'm like, we're teaching air marshals. They can't walk from the bus to the firing line, you know? So yeah, don't get me started there. Bless my heart. There was some health challenges there. not amongst the cadre. Kit Cessna: I wasn't involved in that program but I I heard all about ERIK: We I'll do one on that one day. It just you wouldn't believe them. You just turn around and walk away. You just try not to get fired, you know. But you can be too hard, you know what I mean? 'Cause we have to this is a marathon, not a sprint. So what do you think for a daily to do's? Kit Cessna: Well I work a physical job, okay, so I could have some days where I'm running a chainsaw back in the woods all day. I can have some days where I'm, you know, cutting things and everything, but and then I have some days where I'm more and more administrational duties. What I basically do is I try for twenty to thirty minutes upper body every day, regardless. And it's usually at the start, but if I can I'll put it at the end. Upper body exercises, pull ups, push ups, planks, rollout wheel. you know, thirty good minutes of that per day. About every ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: eight days is a rest day. I am a cyclist, so most days I got an hour ride into work and an hour ride home. So that's two hours of of pushing it plus you know, the thirty minutes, twenty to thirty minutes. That seems to have worked for me. ERIK: Yeah. We're we're strange agents though, kit. most people's bought a bike but they've never ridden it, you know, and after the novelty's over they're pretty much done. You know, I Kit Cessna: yeah, that's why I don't buy new ones. I go find some two thousand dollar trek that got ridden one time during COVID, got shoved up in a garage. I just got ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: a mountain bike that was probably twenty two hundred dollars brand new and I paid three hundred bucks for it. And I doubt if that thing has fifty miles on. ERIK: yeah. I have no doubt. Yeah, no no no no no. Yeah, I I mean, but once you bought the bike, get your investment out of it, you know. Kit Cessna: Yeah. Right it. ERIK: It's low impact. I don't care if you drive it around a track, you know, so you're not worried about traffic and such. But I I don't know how we teach the mental aspect of it. The the stick to the routine. Kit Cessna: Well it has to become a priority and not a hobby. And I think that most of the time it is approached as a hobby. I'm ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: gonna get fit. This is my new hobby. As soon as something that is considered more important comes along, and it inevitably will, then the hobby gets pushed down. I think the hard thing is going to be say no, this is a priority. And it's gonna get moved up to list and it's gonna push some other things down. Which is gonna put you in conflict. You know, it could put you ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: in conflict with loved ones, it could put you in conflict with a lot of stuff. But ERIK: Yes. Yes. Kit Cessna: w how can they argue I'm gonna maintain my health for the benefit of myself and those around me is not a concept that can be morally argued against. Instead, ERIK: No, no. Kit Cessna: there'll be some sort of, you know. shaming tactic, well you're neglecting this or you're neglecting that. Well, and my counter to that is if I let myself turn into a big tuby lump of crap, I'm going to neglect everybody sooner or later anyway. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: You know, I'm going to become a burden. Okay? Forget about I didn't do something. It's going to go from I didn't do something for you to you're going to have to take care of me. I'm trying ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: to prevent that. ERIK: Yeah, and it's your responsibility to do that. It it's not a hobby. Yeah, you're right. It's it Kit Cessna: Absolutely. It's gotta be a priority, a moral responsibility which turns it into a priority. Obviously a role no kid in emergency can kick ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: it out of the way, but we don't have that. ERIK: No, no, we we prep for it, but it doesn't happen. and the people in Nepal yesterday were wishing they'd worked on their sprinting. That's a nightmare. But that is a great example, rare but great on fitness. Because I'm here to tell you, those that could climb the hill lived. Kit Cessna: Yeah, that was that was the those that could climb the hill lived. Yep. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: 'cause mother nature didn't give a damn. That's just gravity, mass and inertia. ERIK: Yeah, and y you've got one chance. Yeah, and I'm not stopping to film it. Sorry. I'm gonna sh I'm gonna show you how to be the road racer up the hill. but that can happen in small ways too, you know, and and people avoid things that have that chance because of their lack of fitness. And and intensity of the fitness. You know, I s I s I was I'm guilty of it, you know, back in the day too when I was lazy is going to the gym and working out are two different things. Intensity, frequency, intervals. You know, as we get older our intervals gotta get longer. You know, let that heart rate come down a little bit to jack it right back up, you know, and and that's where you heart rate variability or or however you want to measure it. I'm not really good at that. I'd like to get better at understanding that. And as we know, your heart barely beats, mister Forty Two back in the day. Kit Cessna: Well I recently had a and they have to do all that. I'm I'm at fifty two now, so ERIK: sorry. Yeah. Kit Cessna: Well this society our whole life was taught to worship at the temple of comfort and security and ease. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: It was taught that was the goal. You know, I maybe used to remember seeing t shirts that had this seek paisia avoid pain, you know, that that was the life goal. A and here let's let's ERIK: Really? Kit Cessna: let's roll it back a little bit. How many times did you hear somebody from an older generation say I don't want my kids to have to go through what I wish. ERIK: Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kit Cessna: Absolutely. That was all over the place. And they never stopped to think that did the things I went through were they a benefit to me physically and in my character and all that? And if so, why would I deny my child that? But ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: that was that was the mantra. That's that seemed to be the marker of success. I've had a hard life, but if I can give my children an easy one, ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: you know, now now I'm a good person. Never asking ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: what that life of ease did to that child. ERIK: Yeah, I'm I'm guilty of that. I I would have you Kit Cessna: Well, every every parent is. Me too. ERIK: know, I would I would have the kids PT, you know, and they were in good shape, but I made it tried to make it just a habit, you know what I mean? And you know, Jake's embraced it. But, you know, the girls it's a little harder. 'cause, you know, you give the princess treatment, you know. And like no, you need to be as hard as a boy's, you know, and I got a little grief from that too, you know, but you gotta really actually be a little harder than the boys. 'Cause you you got, you know, there's things you you you can't do that you need to be able to do and that takes harder work. A boy can just do it. Girls gotta work up to it, you know, the strength and the fighting and the you know. Just they got the mental, trust me. But Yeah, it's being soft just doesn't get you anywhere. Kit Cessna: But if they want to if they want to, they can turn it on harder than most guys. If ERIK: yeah, no doubt. Kit Cessna: if they want to. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, no doubt about that. Sorry about that. I don't know, but it's It's definitely the majority that are needing to hear this, but you know hearing it and doing it are two different things. And most guys have to bounce, you know, off the bottom. You know, kinda like with any of the treatments or modalities or helping a guy over a rough patch. They're so hard headed that they won't do it without being prompted. One of my recent interviews was with a buddy marine buddy, Jack out west, he was a cop. And he was his emotional issues turned into a physical issue because he just started eating it away and gained an immense amount of weight, you know, from Kit Cessna: I saw it. Saw the interview, yeah. Yeah. ERIK: a SWAT guy to a big guy. You know, and he he's on the other way now. You know, he's lost like sixty pounds and he's retired and he's fixing all that. It'd be a great interview. You'll very much like him. But you did? Kit Cessna: I did see it. Yeah, it was a good interview. Yeah. ERIK: Yeah, and that that's like the norm. I mean, he's very stereotypical, I think, of what's out there in LE for sure. But, you know those positions don't have that leniency, you know. When when your EMS pulls up and they're in worse shape than you are, who's putting who on the gurney? You know, it's like, shit. You know, I hope I don't die on the way, 'cause they can't lift me or whatever, but I I don't know how we motivate people to go, this is your your responsibility while you're alive, is to maintain the unit. Kit Cessna: I think I I don't know either. That's what frustrates me. With Jack and and with us and others, there was a foundation to start come start from because we did that. ERIK: Correct. Yeah. Kit Cessna: And even if we let ourselves turn into glop for a few years, we still are standing on that foundation. What I see around me now that I'm fully in the civilian world are so many guys. I c I'm not gonna speak for the woman, you know, the women. I'm not a woman, so I'll speak only for the guys. And they have done nothing. Nothing. So you're looking at somebody who's pushing sixty or into their sixties, and they have no foundation to stand on at all. ERIK: Well, th it won't end well. Kit Cessna: It won't end well. I've seen it in bad again and again and again. It's bad for them, it's also bad for those around them. And ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: I now I have not yet tried the you have a moral responsibility to not become a burden strategy. Have you? ERIK: No, but I think we should. Kit Cessna: They got maybe the key there, brother. If no if nothing ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. I've Kit Cessna: else works, maybe that will. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, I I mean and you know, it is true. You know what I mean? You don't have to like everything that's true. sorry about that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Kit Cessna: No sir. No. Most of it you don't. Yeah. Maybe that's the key right there. Just start out with, hey, forget about what you want. You have a moral responsibility to not look up someday and look at your daughter's face and realize that she cannot even remember the last time she had a night's sleep. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: You know. Or she can't even remember a life before you crashed and burned. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, you just become that burden. Kit Cessna: And there's gotta be a sense of you know, there's gotta be a sense of guilt there. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: And there is where we're gonna fight a generational issue. ERIK: Selfishness. Kit Cessna: Very much and as for as much as I admire the wartime service of the greatest generation, a lot of them turned in some very, very selfish people later in the world. ERIK: Yes, sir. Kit Cessna: Very selfish. My father who let himself go completely had no qualms about demanding that my sister move all the way up to Nebraska so she could quote take care of him in his final days. ERIK: Amazing. Kit Cessna: And and thought that, you know, that's it right there. He thought it was he thought nothing of demanding that of her. That's that's ERIK: That's amazing. Kit Cessna: that is, yeah, it was now sh fortunately she she told him no. You know, w and he ended up ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, where's your personal responsibility for God's sakes? Kit Cessna: But he didn't think he had any. See, that was the problem because I talked to him about it. You know what he said to me when I would bring it up? He said, Well, you can't talk to me about it. You've been doing hard stuff most of your life. You can't talk to me about this. ERIK: Point Yeah, you got me there. Yeah. Nice knowing ya. Kit Cessna: Wh where do you go with that? You know I surrendered, you know. yeah, well he he ended up laying on a bathroom floor in his own filth for three days before they found him and took him to the ER. You know. There there's the end and and he he had about a month or so left after that. ERIK: How do people not realize that's where they're going to go and be okay with it? Kit Cessna: Maybe they think that's the natural order of things. ERIK: I'm gonna die fucking rolling wood onto a trailer, you know. Kit Cessna: Absolutely. ERIK: Just p out. I'll be the best looking corpse. You'll be like, damn. Kit Cessna: Ab absolutely. A and I've I've seen examples on the other side. My father in law was trail running the mountains above Fort Wachuka the day he died. ERIK: There you go. That's a win. Yeah. Kit Cessna: That's a win right there, you know. So I don't know. You're you're fighting a generational issue, you're fighting a cultural issue, you're fighting human laziness stacked on top of it. Cause I'll ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: be honest with you, you know, I got up and went for a run this morning. I took the day off, do this podcast, but you know, I took went went for a run. Usually I'm biking, I want one one run a week. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: And brother, I didn't want to roll my butt out of bed if ERIK: Of course, yeah. Kit Cessna: And I did lay there for about three minutes, debating myself. ERIK: Ha ha ha. Kit Cessna: You know. But I had already laid out my running shoes and all my gear and my Walkman. I'm gonna date myself there, I got a Walkman. yeah, I got a Walkman. A so I was out of excuses, you know what mean? You gotta get up and you gotta go. ERIK: Jeez a Walkman. my lord. Yeah. Well that's yeah, but you do that before you go to bed and your subconscious is gonna bash on you too, going, Hey dickhead, you y you said you were going running. You have no excuse, you know. You know, and and we used to PT in all weather, you know. I I used to cringe when we were in Montana for winter warfare, which is already kinda extensive. And then like, we want to go on a run today. I'm like, Aren't we back from the woods from sucking snow for a week? And you wanna go running and it's ten below? And we do it, but I'm like, that just that's probably where the the line breaks, you know. The health benefits of running in ten below is pretty low. Kit Cessna: That's pretty extreme. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: now I would say I now I do make it a point to ride in the rain or go run in the rain, you know, in the heat. You know, ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: it keep your body used to those temperature extremes. Now, you know, if i if the road's a sheet of ice, yeah, discomfort, yeah. ERIK: Yeah. Well discomfort too. Yeah. I was out in the rain the other day and I wanted to get out of it and I'm like, why? You know how many times I've just walked for days soaking wet? I'm Kit Cessna: Days. Yeah. ERIK: like, this is gonna be an hour, then I can go take a shower, big deal. You know? And I'm like, Yeah, whatever, man, don't be a pussy, you know. Kit Cessna: That that's the nice thing about this part of life. We know there's a shower waiting at the end of the day. ERIK: Exactly. Yeah, but yesterday I had to jump into salt bath. I'm just like stove up. I'm like, yeah, salt bath. But it you know, took took a lot of the tension out of the muscles right there. also, you know, I have those compression pants, you know, that you see at the rehab centers. You can get on Amazon pretty cheap. Those are gold. I'm like, I don't care, 'cause that moves your lymph, that moves your blood. I guess some muscles get the ATP out of there. I mean pff no bra people borrow all the time. They're Hey, can I borrow those? I'm like, Yeah, sure. But that's part of knowing how to recover. To just do it and not recover is a bad thing. Kit Cessna: Especially at this age. That ERIK: a hundred percent. Kit Cessna: that's a concession I've had to really get on myself about making. You're gonna have to approach recovery differently, you're gonna have to take it more seriously now. Or or you will put yourself in a in a situation where you can't. ERIK: Yeah. Well, you know, and and that's the smart way to be too. Yeah, and it's not like the info's not out there. You know. Not even you know, the books I wrote have all that in there, but there's a zillion YouTube places. There's a zillion things on you know, books and PDFs and th the excuse is motivation pretty much, you know. you know, me when I'm trying to put out info, that's why I push the books, 'cause at least you have a an SOP. You're not grabbing shit from here, grabbing shit from here and grabbing shit from here, and then trying to figure out how to mesh it. Most people don't have the motivation or intellect to do that. They'll just not do it. So if you take the work out for and you can go, hey, just flip to the annexes. Don't even read the book. Just go, that's the synopsis of how to detox. that's the synopsis of how to set up an exercise regimen or whatever. Then it's if you don't do it, it's on you, buddy, you know. Can't handhold you. Kit Cessna: Well I saw something the other day that it's pretty profound. You know, medicine could do a lot of stuff. We do live in somewhat miraculous times when it comes to the medical establishment. But the one thing they cannot do is care about you and keep ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: you healthy. There's not a doctor on the ERIK: Well they don't make money that way. Kit Cessna: planet. ERIK: No, it's impossible, yeah. Kit Cessna: it isn't possible for them. They cannot keep you healthy. So it's a matter of does the person value being healthy? ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: Or have they bought into the narrative that once I reach a certain age that I gotta quit. I'm obligated to ERIK: Yeah, quit. Yeah. Kit Cessna: quit. ERIK: Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen people quit so young and you're like, you're not old folks. You know, you're you're you're inventing this, you know. they act old. As I said previously, I don't give a shit what my birthday age is. Yeah, anybody ask how old I am? I'm like, I'm twenty-nine. Sorry. You don't like it? Kit Cessna: My response is not ERIK: You know. Kit Cessna: dead yet. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, but they you know, when they celebrate a birthday, they can start mentally getting into that mode of I can do less. And I think you actually gotta do more. Now not arduous stuff, but you have to do more strategic Kit Cessna: Smart smart. Yeah. Yeah. ERIK: level, long term. That's that's the detoxes, that's the nutrition that's a lifestyle, you know. We've had to modify our our caloric intake. Look what we used to eat back in the day. I I I couldn't do that. No way. Kit Cessna: No, no, no. That would be a disaster. you know, it's like you have an old car. You could keep a classic car on the road for a century if you took care of it. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: But as each decade rolled past, you would have to pay more attention to the ERIK: Correct. Yeah. Kit Cessna: But it would be on the road, you know. A and so About two years ago I was in a gravel bike race and it was brutal, man. It was over in South Carolina, it was in August. You had a choice. You had the short course of fifty miles and you had the long course of ninety. Well, I chose the fifty mile, I'm gonna tell you fifty miles over South Carolina Hills in the heat. It was it was it was hard. But the worst part was maybe I was about eight miles from the finish when the ninety mile came by. And they ERIK: No. Kit Cessna: they they had lapped us, right? Now you had some you had some pros in there, okay? You had some ERIK: Lord. Yeah. Kit Cessna: some guys who were gonna see the European Cycling Federation pretty soon. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: So they came by us so fast they looked like streets of color, you know? They didn't even notice our presence. And I gotta be honest, you know, it hurt for a little bit. You know, that used to be me. ERIK: It used to be us, yeah. Kit Cessna: But then the other thought came along just as fast, I'm still out here. You know, forty five or ninety, ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: or fifty or ninety, doesn't matter, I'm still out here. So I think that's kind of the mindset. Whatever I actually can do repetition wise or duration wise or the amount of late weights I can lift, it's to remember I still need to be out here. Whatever form I can, I'm still out here. ERIK: Well, that's how yesterday was. I had a lot of internal thoughts yesterday during Kit Cessna: Bet. ERIK: during this extreme cardio and muscular workout. I'm just like, there's just you know, there's no quit in us. There's slow down. Yeah. And I'm like, this is comical. Kit Cessna: But you're still out there. That's that's the important thing, you're still out there. Yeah. ERIK: And I I looked at Randy, I'm like, Randy, there ain't no motherfuckers our age out doing this today. I'm sorry, you know, unless unless they have to for survival. you know, he can buy wood. Think he can afford it, you know. But we see a dead tree when we're out walking, we're like, that'd make good firewood. Let's go get it, you know. Now it it would have been a an episode if we would have B rolled that, you know, chainsaw issues, truck issues, trailer issues, w we would have had a viral video out of the last two days of us cutting wood. And but that's part of it too, you know, it was quite enjoyable. Kit Cessna: know it's i it's interesting also when you look at the past, you know, we've talked about what was aging like in the past. And it it could be pretty brutal, but it was I think so after the Second World War we had the big upswing in the economy, life got comfortable, the suburbs, you know, were created, and this whole style of life that we're looking at now pretty much dates from the Second World War forward. Okay. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: Prior to that things were a lot. ERIK: I like I would love that. Kit Cessna: But a person who was in their eighties or even nineties still doing hard stuff was not something that was considered remote. ERIK: It was normal, yeah. Kit Cessna: It was just normal. Nobody you know, I I read about a cavalry commander in in the Battle of Waterloo, this guy was like eighty two. You know, and and he's out on a horse all day sword fighting with French cavalry. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: Drinking schnapps at night. Eighty ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: two years old. Nobody came up to him and said, You know you're eighty two. Don't you think you need to take it easy? Like, well, here's another horse, you know, Dawn's ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: two hours away and let's get torn back into him. So there wasn't a there wasn't this idea that because you reached a certain age, you should do a softer lifestyle. It wasn't probably most people didn't reach that age, but to have somebody who did was not unremarkable. Nowadays ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: it's something remarkable. You know, this guy's seventy well We climbed that mountain out there in Glacier National Park, one of them guys that was on a road bike was was like 74. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: Right up there at the top. See, that's remarkable. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: We look at that and say that's remarkable. 150 years ago, if you'd had some guy out there, you know, riding across the Texas desert on his horse with the Winchester in the scabbard, and he was 74 and he was the boss of the cattle drive, ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: it wouldn't have been remarkable. ERIK: Yeah, it's normal. Well look at all Kit Cessna: just normal. ERIK: the all of our foreign trips. We're we're seeing people that are hard by necessity. You know, the Hades, the A Africa's the you know, in Asia. You don't they don't have a retirement home, you know. They got a farm, they're living subsistence. And that's where I think that's that's a better way to be and you know, for many reasons, but you know, the modern world doesn't doesn't apply that. But there's people still living hard as woodpecker lips. And they're living a long time. Kit Cessna: Well if you if you think about it though, we kinda have an advantage 'cause we live in a society and time where we can enjoy the benefits of being fit way more than anybody who came before us. ERIK: for sure. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kit Cessna: Yeah. Yeah. You know, you get fit and healthy. The things you can do are almost limitless as compared to I'm ERIK: Yeah, it's limitless. Kit Cessna: fit and healthy 'cause I gotta stay alive, you know, through the winter. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. No, there's no excuse, but that's where to me it's a no brainer to do. But to others it's like, why are you saying I should do this? And then then it's the intensity issue. Yeah, I went to the gym. Yeah, but you didn't do shit, you know, you you you did minimal workouts, why even go, you know? to teach that intensity is very difficult. 'Cause people want comfort. They don't want discomfort. Well what can you do in an exercise that's comfortable? Kit Cessna: No, nothing really if you're gonna do it. I mean I hear people ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: say, Well, I live an active life and they do and that's a good thing, you know, living an active life is a good thing. It's not the same thing as a focused, concentrated workout where you push yourself into pain and discomfort. That's ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: I think that's what's they're trying to avoid that. Yeah. Yeah. ERIK: Yeah, and it's trackable. a daily activity is just daily activity. What? You'll walk to the grocery store, Eric, good job. but if your pull ups went from one to seven, y you have a marked progress Kit Cessna: Right. ERIK: and that should help you mentally. Or if you're you're getting weaker or you're getting you know, you're you're seeing the progress either up or down, so you can reassess the situation and change the Why is this happening? my nutrition's off. I'm dehydrated. So I've noticed a hydration issue. Yesterday, rookie move kit, rookie move. I brought a gallon of water. Well, Super Hound was in the back seat and knocked it over and I didn't have the cap on perfect. So guess what? We're down to like three sips per person. You know, we're just wetting our mouth so we don't, you know, spit cotton. And I'm just like, I of all people know better. To secure my water, you know. And we have two more hours to get shit done when I saw that empty water jug and I'm like, there's a gallon in the back seat. I might just drink it out of the floorboards, you know, because I know I'm gonna need it later. So hydration, you know, with a little bit of salt, because that salt is an electrolyte, but it also changes the molecular size of the water molecule and allows it to actually absorb versus just pee it out. And I kinda wish we'd have known that years ago. They would give us salt pills, but we should have been salting our water. Just to scoche. Because if you're on a a twenty or thirty mile hump and you're drinking water that's not with any electrolyte, which we did typically, it was just straight water, man. It's not hydrating you. I I wish we would have known that to see the difference. Kit Cessna: Yeah, just well they they did say to put a s well, it was a it was a treatment for heat cramps was to put a teaspoon of water or salt inside a one quart canteen and drink that. Right. That's after you went down for heat. ERIK: Yeah. But that's after it got bad. We could have prevented that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean it's like come on man, if that works in recovery, that would have worked in prevention. But we didn't understand molecularly how that changed it. And I I'm I'm adamant about that. These I won't drink just straight water now. I'll I'll have to put something in either trace minerals or you know, they have little drops that you can put in. But I like a little you know, sea salt Hylene salt in the water. Because if the hydration's not there, your your intensity is very much lightened up. Kit Cessna: You're you're gonna go down. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, and once you're a heat casual you're always one, I think. I mean we've seen that where a guy just can't recover once he's in the heat again. Kit Cessna: I would say even in that case your fitness would help you out, you know. I think you'll probably always be susceptible, but you may not be as susceptible, you know, if you keep the fitness up, especially if you are out there a lot in the heat, maybe your ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: body will readjust, you know. Going down with heat cramps is one thing, taking a ambulance ride for heat stroke. Yeah, you yeah, yeah. If you ERIK: yeah, that's what I'm seeing, stroking out. Yeah. Kit Cessna: you're gonna pay for that. ERIK: Yeah, yeah. Stroking out I think causes some some long term issues. I've I've seen that and you're like, Wow, that dude's just never got it back. You know. He I I don't understand why that would happen, but i I've seen it, so kinda halfway believe it. So what else? I mean, we've covered a lot of stuff here. And it's not stuff that we invented really. I mean it's it's the info's out there. And it's consolidated in many places. But the people have to wanna do it, you know. Kit Cessna: They do and I think that the one tack that has I have never seen used from any direction is the moral argument. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Kit Cessna: Now I think that's gonna get some angry pushback but that means it's effective. I've already I've already yeah, I've already seen that. You know, when you tell ERIK: yeah, guarantee. Yeah. That means it's true. Yeah. Kit Cessna: when you tell somebody somebody asks why are you you're sixty six years old, why do I see you riding or running or rucksacking with a kettlebell? I see you all the time. Why are you people don't even do that at your age and I look at and say I'm not gonna die in diapers if I can help it. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Kit Cessna: There's no comeback. ERIK: No. No, they'd be foolish to say say something. Yeah. I'm going to. Yeah. I'll show you. Kit Cessna: Well what are they gonna say? No, you should want to die in diapers. You know? They they're not. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah, i it's ridiculous. So yeah, I think maybe that's the tack right there. As gently I mean I don't I don't go out there the new kid Cessna doesn't seek, you know, conflict for conflict's sake for confrontation's ERIK: Yeah. Confrontation. Yeah. Kit Cessna: sake anymore. Right? There was a time, you know, but ERIK: I know, me too. Yeah. Kit Cessna: it it could be done kind of gently. You know, it could be done friendly. I mean you just say something I don't want anybody I love to have to take care of me unnecessarily. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: And then you gotta acknowledge that you could have an ambush waiting out there. Car accident, unexpected. ERIK: of course, yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: I even in those cases though, you can still make some sort of recovery. You know, you may not be where you were. So I think that the gentle moral argument that I am not going to become the burden to You or anybody else is probably a pretty effective one. And you can expand that out a little bit. Here's one. We got a changing demographic in the United States, well, the whole Western world. Okay. we don't have as many young people as we used to. Percentage wise, as part of the general population, there is not as many of them. ERIK: Huh. Kit Cessna: I'm not even going to argue the causes or reason for that. That's just a mathematical question. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: There's not as many young people in the pool. So that means that I feel an obligation to not make them take care of me. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah, statistics there. Kit Cessna: My absolutely. My daughter did not incur a debt to me because me and my wife brought her into this world. You know. ERIK: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but that's kind of the norm. And it's like how selfish is that shit, you know? Yeah. Kit Cessna: it it's sickening, you know. And and what's even worse is when you see the younger ones kinda co opt that. Well, my parents took care of me, you're no kidding. They were legally and morally obligated to do so. You know. You didn't just ERIK: Whoops. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't just show up. Yeah. Kit Cessna: show up, yeah, you didn't just decide I'm gonna pop onto planet Earth one day. Okay, you got brought into this world. And they ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Kit Cessna: took care of you because you were their child. That was the that's the moral and you know, and they love you. You're their child, they took care of you. You did not incur a lifetime debt because of that. You know? And then they come back ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: and say, well, in the old times, you know, grandpa and grandma were still around. True. But ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: grandma and grandpa were still contributing to everything. ERIK: Yeah, yeah, they're tending the garden, doing this, doing that. Yeah, I mean they didn't just lay there and Kit Cessna: yeah, they they did all sorts of stuff, including some of the hard stuff. ERIK: shit and watch TV, you know. Yeah. Kit Cessna: Exactly. Yeah. Now they may have got to go take a nap in the afternoon, you know. Rebray yeah, yeah, exactly. But they were still ERIK: Well, yeah. Greenberry naptime, buddy. I do too. Kit Cessna: very much involved and didn't want to be in a position where they had to be taken care of. ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: So that's as good as I got a brother. You ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: know? ERIK: Yeah, I thought of some other things but we'll do them later. but I like the overview of this 'cause I've guilted people into all kinds of stuff, so Kit Cessna: Sometimes that's affected. You know. I've guilt ERIK: Sadly so. Kit Cessna: I've guilted myself into a few things. ERIK: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but that's a hard argument to to come back on. There's just no way. Kit Cessna: Very hard argument. Yeah, th I mean I've sat down and brainstormed it and tried the devil's advocate, you know, come in it from ERIK: No. Kit Cessna: a different direction and re I can't find anything. Probably what ERIK: No, no there's Kit Cessna: they'll do is just break contact. ERIK: Yeah, yeah, they're they're bomb burst, they're out of there. Yeah, they're like, Yeah, okay. Don't don't argue with Kit and Eric. I get that often anyhow, but I I love a challenge, but they're not up for it, you know. I love to debate people that have no facts. Those are even the best. You know, it's like, Okay, good idea. Yeah. Kit Cessna: It can be entertaining. Yeah. ERIK: Well let's tie this up, let's put a knot on it, and I like it. But I I we have to maybe go into little tangents off of this. 'Cause I really want to get into like bone density and things like that too. 'Cause all your activities you do create some bone density, so now you're not gonna they broke their hip. No, they broke their hip and then they fell. They didn't fall and then break her hip. You know, so it's it's we got a lot of ways we can go with this. I really like it. Kit Cessna: yeah, that that falling and not being able to get up, that's gotta be one of the most horrible ways to go. And they ERIK: Yeah. Kit Cessna: say and I've watched this happen a couple of times, that if you are of a certain age and you are not physically fit, a broken hip is actually a suspended death sentence. You're finished. You know, no road back because yeah. ERIK: Yeah, you're done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the recovery and and no, it's how you got there, it's all come into a yeah, Kit Cessna: It's how you got there. Yeah. ERIK: yeah. No, I've heard that stat too. So let's let's think on that later and we'll we'll we'll we'll work on a tangent on that. But I think that's massive and I p think people have no idea how that how bones strengthen. They take a pill. It's like no, it it's not how it works. Kit Cessna: W we need to get into that too. We ERIK: It's piezoelectric. Yeah. Kit Cessna: need to do one on the pills. ERIK: Yeah we will. I well I'm bigging the subs, you know, off of my blood work. So yeah, let's do let's do that one next or something. So let's let's kill this one and then we'll we'll go from there. Okay? Kit Cessna: Roger that, good talking to ya. Keep keep that dog under control. ERIK: Okay, thank ya. he's great, man. He is making me fit. Kit Cessna: There you go, man. There you go. All right, we'll be talking to you. ERIK: Yep. Later.