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The Men of Grey's Anatomy · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey, colerators, listens to all the men I've tolerated before
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  Speaker 1: with Navlee Katona your weekly look at everyday misogyny. Today,
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  Speaker 1: our guest is a new friend. Christiana is a writer
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  Speaker 1: and reached out to me because finally I have someone
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  Speaker 1: who wants to tackle the very important topic of the
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  Speaker 1: men of Grey's Anatomy. I've been waiting, Christiana, Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for giving me this opportunity to dive deep into a show.
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  Speaker 1: I just refuse to let go after fifty three seasons.
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  Speaker 2: It's an honor and a pleasure to be here. I
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  Speaker 2: think I have been training for this for the past
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  Speaker 2: twenty three seasons of my life. My husband is very
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  Speaker 2: excited as well, and trying to give me tips all
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  Speaker 2: along the way.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a group sport in this house.
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  Speaker 1: I've never had to watch Gray's Anatomy with a husband. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I used to congratulation, thank you. I used to watch
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  Speaker 1: it with my mother on DVD. That's how we watched
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  Speaker 1: the first two seasons. Yes, and then I would keep
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  Speaker 1: up with it weekly until it's streamed, and then we
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  Speaker 1: binged it a bunch of times. And I've officially done
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  Speaker 1: a complete run through only twice because eventually you get
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  Speaker 1: so mad you.
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  Speaker 2: Watch yes, yes, Okay. Now I also have a very
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  Speaker 2: supportive group text behind me, as all women do that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, did we watch Gray's Anatomy or can I
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  Speaker 2: just tell you everything? And they're the like, just tell
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  Speaker 2: us everything, save us from watching it. So I am
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  Speaker 2: like that person in the in the friend group.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my sister also pretends to watch Gray's Anatomy and
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  Speaker 1: instead just waits for me to live tweet her my thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So I started a rewatch about I mean, I'll
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  Speaker 2: rewatched the first season a lot, like that's my that's
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  Speaker 2: my warm blanket on a tough day. But I think
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  Speaker 2: I made it to season seven and then I just
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  Speaker 2: had to leave. I was like, I'm done. I cannot
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  Speaker 2: do this anymore of my rewatch. So like, I've watched
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  Speaker 2: every episode at least once, but I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think I could ever do a full rewatch. It's just
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  Speaker 2: so so much at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and you really just have to be a really dark,
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  Speaker 1: holiday depressive episode like I was this last time to
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  Speaker 1: just keep going because you're like, I have no new
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  Speaker 1: ideas on what to click on the TV and Grays
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  Speaker 1: will just load up another episode for me.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right? So, how was this rewatch?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: When was the rewatch? No?
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  Speaker 1: It was literally Christmas twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's fresh. It's fresh, okay fresh?
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  Speaker 1: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: How long? How long did it take? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Probably embarrassingly not long enough.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, No, I love that and I really am
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  Speaker 2: really happy for you.
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  Speaker 1: I hold up like a gremlin during the holidays and
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  Speaker 1: I love to be depressed under a blanket.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it probably didn't take as long as it
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  Speaker 1: should have because I was truly only keeping up with
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  Speaker 1: Bravo shows and then moving over to Greece Anatomy.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. I love it so the full, the
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  Speaker 2: full rewatch, the things of dreams. I'm just so impressed,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It elicited so much rage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, It's like I'm almost like, should I never
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  Speaker 1: have gone back? I've gone back to like One Tree Hill,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not pissed. I've gone back to Desperate Housewives
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not pissed. Yeah, but graz Anatmy I was
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  Speaker 1: mad the entire.
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  Speaker 2: Time, right, I think this last So when I knew
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  Speaker 2: we were going to get to do this, which I
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  Speaker 2: was just elated for I was like, well, it's time
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  Speaker 2: to episode one, Season one pilot, best pilot ever. And
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  Speaker 2: it did change this time, knowing what we were going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about, being like, okay, wait, I see this
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  Speaker 2: differently now. I gotta let it go. I gotta let
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  Speaker 2: go this moment because it's making me grouchy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I've ruined my own my own life
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  Speaker 1: by my whole brand be about like, what if we
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  Speaker 1: just talked about misogyny all day every day. That's sexy,
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, from the pilot is a pilot, and I
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  Speaker 1: need everyone to know that Derek has maybe two to
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  Speaker 1: four he has an entire season, because that first season
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  Speaker 1: is only about nine episodes before I'm pissed and then
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  Speaker 1: I'm pissed at him until he dies, and maybe I'm
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  Speaker 1: still pissed.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we all, yes, that's okay, that's fair.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to let that go.
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  Speaker 1: I realize that there are sixteen million hours of the show,
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  Speaker 1: and some of you fell off, some of you have
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  Speaker 1: only been clicking on BuzzFeed articles, some of you have
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  Speaker 1: never picked up A Gray's Anatomy fixation. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: spoil everything, and that's my right as the producer and host.
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  Speaker 2: Of the Yeah, and I think the statue of limitations
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  Speaker 2: on a show that started in I think twenty two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and four really like we got to talk about it,
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  Speaker 2: like there's just two like and I think I think
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  Speaker 2: it's in the zeitgeist that you know, there are those
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  Speaker 2: ones episodes that you're like, oh, that happened, we know
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  Speaker 2: this happened, and right, So, and we also talked.
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  Speaker 1: About like what grason anomy through these very good looking,
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  Speaker 1: very charming men implanted in our brains, about like our
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  Speaker 1: worth as a woman. And I need you to know
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  Speaker 1: that I was a sophomore in high school, if we're
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  Speaker 1: talking two thousand and four, I was in that freshman
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  Speaker 1: sophomore bubble of high school when the first episode of
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  Speaker 1: Grades and an Me aired.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you were sophomore in high school.
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  Speaker 1: Because I graduated in seven.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so March twenty seven, two thousand and five, so
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  Speaker 2: we're twenty years. We're yeah, twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Oh my gosh. When I say that show's been
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  Speaker 1: off for twenty years, I'm actually correct. Good for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, from your internal grays clock is really like super accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I think because people say, Nadley, why are
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  Speaker 1: you still watching Grays Anatomy? None of the grades are
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  Speaker 1: on it, and I go because it's just so to
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  Speaker 1: still have weekly TV.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. I think I think they did a
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  Speaker 2: good job introducing new characters, like from like the premise
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  Speaker 2: of the show, having a group of interns, having a
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  Speaker 2: group of attendings and residents. I still don't know who's
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  Speaker 2: what or what color they wear, but having that rotation
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  Speaker 2: of oh, we got new interns in and some of
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  Speaker 2: them are good and some of them spoiler get shot
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  Speaker 2: a lot, so you know they don't all last. But
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  Speaker 2: I think they do a fair job of at least
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  Speaker 2: like entering like the new class of TV and introducing
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  Speaker 2: us to people that we I mean, this newest round.
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  Speaker 2: I think I have a love hate relationship with it's
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  Speaker 2: and I will stop mid season and then when I
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  Speaker 2: have like a long weekend or I'm sick in bed,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, it's time to watch seven episodes Agrees
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  Speaker 2: Anatomy and finish this season that I started U ten
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  Speaker 2: months ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I watch it weekly and then I'm pissed
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  Speaker 1: when SHA goes five episodes and then it's like Oopsie,
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  Speaker 1: it's our bor day. We're off, And I'm like, Shonda,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely Honda. So yeah, I haven't angrily emailed her yet,
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  Speaker 1: but let's okay, let's go back to that first season
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  Speaker 1: and we have our We have Derek Shephard and Preston Burke,
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  Speaker 1: the men who started it at all. And I will
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  Speaker 1: say that that first season of Grays and Amy, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, Deren's humble, he's kind, He's
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  Speaker 1: got like a good sense of humor. He truly is
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  Speaker 1: taking this power dynamic a little bit seriously, even though
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  Speaker 1: he's just kind of a goof. He loves fairies, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm very boat's not like fairies the magical
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  Speaker 1: creature that should be stated for. He loves boats because
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  Speaker 1: they're in Seattle. And then there's Preston Burke, who is
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  Speaker 1: like the serious doctor man, who's very sexy, who is
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  Speaker 1: also put trying to keep Christina at am arm's length away,
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, see respect, Yeah, he respects there.
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  Speaker 2: I I think I wonder if they if Shonda invented
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  Speaker 2: the trope of I had a one night stand. Oops,
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  Speaker 2: he's my boss, Like did that exist before? Or is
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  Speaker 2: that just like my touchstone of the trope because I
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  Speaker 2: love it. I want everyone to have a one night stand,
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  Speaker 2: start a new job. Oops, he's my boss. Like it's
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  Speaker 2: just it's so good.
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  Speaker 1: It's so good, it's so funny. It's a real great gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: It's also an HR violation and illegal.
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  Speaker 2: Yes on my rewatch. So I did some of the
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  Speaker 2: rewatch in like twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, and
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm most often texted where is HR to
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  Speaker 2: my friends. I was like, this is just every single
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  Speaker 2: step of the way they're HR violations, and they're not
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  Speaker 2: all sexual. Some of them are just you know, confidentiality,
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  Speaker 2: like maybe George shouldn't do surgery on Meredith, Like that's
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  Speaker 2: just weird.
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  Speaker 1: That's weird. They all know one another intimately. And I
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  Speaker 1: the thing about like the the only other example I
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  Speaker 1: can even think of of the oopsie I slept with
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  Speaker 1: the guy not knowing that tomorrow he was going to
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  Speaker 1: be important. Is That's how they play off the Pretty
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  Speaker 1: Little Liar's relationship between Aria and Ezraad the teacher and
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  Speaker 1: pretty Little Liar Combo oh meets him at a college
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  Speaker 1: cafe or something, oh no, and they like will hook
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  Speaker 1: up mildly, and then the next day he's her new
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  Speaker 1: English teacher.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I want I'm gonna do. My next
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  Speaker 2: deep dive will be on this trope I will get
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  Speaker 2: back to.
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  Speaker 1: You, which, by the way, is a trope that young Natalie,
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  Speaker 1: who was a pretty little liar, was like, and one day,
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  Speaker 1: I too will wake up and have accidentally fucked my
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  Speaker 1: boss or my teacher. And I think, and I tried
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  Speaker 1: to just like manifest that energy for me. One day,
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  Speaker 1: I too will have an obscene power imbalance that's ruining
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  Speaker 1: my life.
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  Speaker 2: I am probably not the one in power, right, correct.
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  Speaker 2: I want the imbalance of power not in my direction.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's so interesting because according to Derek's
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  Speaker 1: whiney ass, Meredith was in charge the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you for bringing this up. I
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  Speaker 2: just finished the from episode, which is like a fave
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  Speaker 2: of mine. And when they sleep together and then Calli
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  Speaker 2: comes in and she's like, e is he needs you?
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, Meredith, what does this mean? And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, bullshit, Derek, you chose Addison and so just
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  Speaker 2: because you finally got mad at Chris, O'Donnell Robin that
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  Speaker 2: like Meredith has another viable option, like, don't pretend she's
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  Speaker 2: had power this whole time, because he all he does
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  Speaker 2: is take away power from her. And yeah, I'm so
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  Speaker 2: I'm currently very mad at this rewatch, so the feelings
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  Speaker 2: are fresh.
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  Speaker 1: I am mostly mad because Meredith allows Derek to make
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  Speaker 1: the decision that he needs to make as the person
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  Speaker 1: with a spouse involved. She's like, figure it out and
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  Speaker 1: let me know, and she gives him the space to
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  Speaker 1: do that as much as she can, considering she's his
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  Speaker 1: right hand man at every surgery.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, she's the best intern brain surgeon ever, ever.
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  Speaker 1: Ever, And so to me, I'm like, oh, that's almost mature.
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  Speaker 1: But then Derek's so mad the entire time because he
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  Speaker 1: himself chose Addison. Like Meredith didn't even break up with you.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, figure out your house and you let
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  Speaker 1: me know. And then she said choose me, love me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pick me baby, best line, and like, I hope
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  Speaker 2: they are royalties just on that face. And then Shanda
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  Speaker 2: just has a beach house somewhere on those lines.
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  Speaker 1: Alone, and it's on pick me lane.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, no, so yes that I I just finished watching
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  Speaker 2: So Meredith the prom episode, she ends up having appendicitis
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  Speaker 2: and is all loopy on the drugs and talks to Addison,
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  Speaker 2: and Derek and Addison talk and She's like, don't hurt
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  Speaker 2: her again, and then Derek is like, it's when Derek
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  Speaker 2: and Finn, the Vet that is Meredith's other viable option
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  Speaker 2: in season two or three, are like both dating her.
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  Speaker 2: And so then Derek's like, I don't want to hurt her,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm going to bow out. And that moment pisses
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  Speaker 2: me off because that's not what Meredith asked for. Like
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  Speaker 2: Meredith asked for romance. She wanted people to be dating her.
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  Speaker 2: She wanted to have a choice, and Derek, trying to
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  Speaker 2: be the good guy quote unquote, takes away that choice
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  Speaker 2: from her and that is its own power dynamic that
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  Speaker 2: like is enraging me, like blind rage. I'm so mad
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  Speaker 2: at that moment because she wanted the choice, and the
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  Speaker 2: choice was finally going to be hers to pick that
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  Speaker 2: or Derek, and she was probably going to pick Derek eventually,
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  Speaker 2: but he was too obsessed with being the good guy,
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  Speaker 2: which is also why he chose Addison, and because he
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  Speaker 2: wanted to be the good guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just saving face and the way and
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  Speaker 1: then at past season three, when I think Addison just
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  Speaker 1: eventually gets sick of Derek and it's like I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to make the choice and actually just bake Kate and
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  Speaker 1: sleep with Mark. Good for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all in that same season three, like appendicitis
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  Speaker 2: thing that happens. So yes, that's all because I.
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  Speaker 1: Will say, like the Addison moment of being like, don't
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  Speaker 1: hurt her again, Like it's one thing for you to
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  Speaker 1: be so mad at me that this is what's happening,
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  Speaker 1: but like she doesn't have to be involved. There was
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  Speaker 1: in those early seasons of Grey's Anatomy such camaraderie between
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  Speaker 1: all of the women, even women who shouldn't even have
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  Speaker 1: a relationship like Meredith and Addison.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and even like Addison finds those panties and
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  Speaker 2: Kelly says that they're hers, and like Meredith and Izzy
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  Speaker 2: are super mean girls to Callie so much when she's
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  Speaker 2: with George and Callie pulling those panties off of the
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  Speaker 2: bulletin board to save to save face, to save face
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  Speaker 2: for Meredith is like one of my all time favorite moments.
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  Speaker 2: Like and even like finding Derek and Meredith in the
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  Speaker 2: room and like helping Meredith tie up her dress. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: Callie is a girl's girl, and she is like going
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  Speaker 2: to bat for them when they're nothing but mean to her.
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  Speaker 1: And I will say that, like, I think here is
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  Speaker 1: an enemy in those first seasons is a testament to like,
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  Speaker 1: you can have all the friends in the world, and
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  Speaker 1: you can all be the smartest people in every medical
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  Speaker 1: class that you ever went to, and yet you can
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  Speaker 1: still be gas lit, and you can still be lied to,
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  Speaker 1: and you can still just be dicked around and have
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  Speaker 1: it have ramifications to everything that's going on in your friendships,
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  Speaker 1: in your career and everything. I mean, it is a
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  Speaker 1: soap opera, but like I think that we as women
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  Speaker 1: and I know that, like this is me talking about myself,
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  Speaker 1: I get so wrapped up in the I should have
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  Speaker 1: known better. I should have seen it coming. I should
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  Speaker 1: have like this is what happens. And there were signs
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, and I was like, well, Meredith Graye was
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  Speaker 1: doing brain surgery and also couldn't figure out that Derek
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  Speaker 1: was like a little whiny man and she was the
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  Speaker 1: woman next to him when he died.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I do think, like you know, two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and five, me, I was newly married. I was still
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  Speaker 2: in my twenties. I was young, and I you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm still married to my husband, like we have a
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  Speaker 2: great relationships, and yet you know, we watched this soap
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  Speaker 2: opera with like is this love? Like this is so
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  Speaker 2: sweet or like this is so good or you know
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  Speaker 2: all that like good stuff, and now rewatching it, you're like,
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  Speaker 2: oh no, why are you yelling at someone to say
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  Speaker 2: that you love them? Or like why won't you let
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  Speaker 2: me love you? In this really aggressive, yelly tone that
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  Speaker 2: is really mean, Like I'm like, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: be told I'm loved that way. And maybe I thought
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  Speaker 2: that was sexy and maybe there's a place for that
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  Speaker 2: in a fun way, but not like in a this
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  Speaker 2: is your real declaration of love to me?
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  Speaker 1: Well, And I think what it boils down to is that,
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  Speaker 1: like Derek and Preston Burke are the same category of men,
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  Speaker 1: where Derek has figured out his entire fairy tale in
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  Speaker 1: his head and you're just showing up to take the
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  Speaker 1: role of his princess and it's still going to be
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  Speaker 1: I'm the good guy, I'm a night, I'm a hero, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: But that story's done been told in his brain and
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  Speaker 1: you're just playing a role whereas Preston Burke, a very
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  Speaker 1: practical individual, still assumes that any partner he has will
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  Speaker 1: adopt all of these silent expectations for his life, and
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  Speaker 1: he just creates a narrative in his head about Christina
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  Speaker 1: that was not true.
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  Speaker 2: The way he just talks down to Christina. The way
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  Speaker 2: Burke talks down to Christina so often in the first
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  Speaker 2: like two seasons and then when he his hand is injured,
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  Speaker 2: is so toxic, and he's one of the ones who's
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: like yelling at her. And I was taking notes during
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  Speaker 2: this rewatch because his like I love you moment is
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  Speaker 2: he like, it's like when he calls her a slob
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  Speaker 2: and he is, and he's like, and I am amazing,
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  Speaker 2: Like you're a slob and I am amazing, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: Preston Burke and I just want to love you. And
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  Speaker 2: you're like, you just told her she's a slob, like
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  Speaker 2: she's nothing, but you want to love her. But she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't want to be loved in the way he wants
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  Speaker 2: to love her. And their relationship is just so dark
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and twisty, but not in the fun Grace way, but
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I guess the fun gray Is way. That like when
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: he lets her. I don't want to jump too far ahead,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: but when he lets her cover for his hand tremor
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: in surgery, like, that's when the power and balance really
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: makes my head explode, because she's putting her career on
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the line to prop up his career and he is
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: totally fine with it, and even though maybe it's her idea,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: like because that's what he says, like, this was your idea,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and you're like, but he's an adult man who could
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: have told his adult man doctors that he had a
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: hand trimor but he didn't.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Well, and he's also an adult man who's already made
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: his name in his career and will get all of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the leeway the hospital available to him.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: We're like, yeah, right, and yeah, go ahead.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: No, So it's just like it's it's so weird going
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: back and rewatching these episodes and just watching these two
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: men and their toxic little egos be like, I'll be
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the best series. I deserve to be cheaf because they
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: all did fight over who's chief, and I deserve to
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: be cheap. I deserve to fuck this lady whenever I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: want to, and scream at her that it's because I'm
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: in love with her. But also list all of the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: things that I hate about her right after I tell
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: her that she I'm in.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Love with her right well, And I really thought it
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: was interesting when it's found out that Meredith is sleeping
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: with Derek and Christina is sleeping with Burke, the assumption
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: that these women should have known better, or that they
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: should that they're to blame for this from their other
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: in turns like Izzy's nothing but mean to Meredith, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: georgees thinks that Meredith's being taken advantage of, and Bailey
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: thinks she's gonna get preferential treatment. There's no screen time
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: given to these men being told anything about their actions
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: by their friends because they don't have any friends at
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: this point, or like the heat is all on the women,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: like the women have caused these men to stumble, and
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: that dynamic in the first two seasons at least is
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: frustrating to me. And to skip ahead like in this
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: newest season with Winston Dugu and oh what is her name?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I wrote it down? Melan is her last name. Jules
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: is a reado of that dynamic where in Dougu is
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: trying to be the right nice guy and doesn't want
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: to cross the line because of how it looks to Richard.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: But Jules is being punished and her career is going
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: to suffer by not getting to have a teacher as
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: good as Winston is.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And we'll see in approximately I don't know, sixty business
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: days when Shonda decides to show her show again about
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: how it will work out for Jewles. Because Jules looks
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: at me and dead in the eye and was like, hey,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I realized that I like talked you through a bad
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: time in a bad emotional moment, but I wasn't crossing
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a sexual or relationship line. That was not my intention.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And she and not that he knows because he hasn't
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: asked her anything about herself. She's recently had a queer relationship,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: she's going through a breakup. And I think that's the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: thing about the men of Grey's Anatomy. They can only
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: view these women as they show up to them, right
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: in front of them, so they're never thinking, like I
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: wonder how Christina E Meredith Day is going No, never,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: like I wonder if I should ask Jules what her
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: perfect date is never, or like if she has friends,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: has she made friends in the hospital or whatever, or
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: like why she has a complete emotional spiral after her
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: former partner has to leave the hospital. No, it's literally
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like these women show up in front of me and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: then they are only there to drive my attraction and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: my feelings and my ego and my career. At the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: end of the day, I think, and I think with
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: like Derek and Preston, it became so clear that for
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a majority, and I'm even talking about the Derek and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Meredith marriage, the majority of those relationships were spent telling
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Meredith and Christina, you could be doing better, you could
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: be calmer, you could not be a pain in my ass.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Derek literally has a meltdown and tells Meredith that she's
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: difficult to love because she has a depressive episode. And
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, Derek, her mom is Ellis Gray, we
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: have depression.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was interesting in the first season
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: when they're getting to know each other and trying to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: date a little bit, and she it's the episode she
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: finds out about Addison when the phone's ringing, his phone's
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: readinging and it's Addison, and her phone is ringing, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it's the care center where her mom is and her
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: mom having Alzheimer's is still a big secret and the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: fact that those two secrets are being equated in the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: parallel storytelling is not well weighted when it comes down
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: to it that like me keeping privacy about my famous
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: mom's disease is not the same as Derek keeping that
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he is married still from her like and but yet
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: in the grayest parallel storytelling, those are the two things
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: that are running alongside each other. And I just found
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: it really imbalanced in this rewatch of Oh no, those
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: are not the same, Those are not the same weighted
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: things at all.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Well, and then like Derek crosses a boundary and goes
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to the hair facility to visit Ellis, no one asks
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: him to. I forgot that, Oh my gosh, So he
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: does that he'd be doing that, And at no point
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: does he have any empathy or forethought for like how
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: this affects Meredith as a person. It's only the like
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: deans it has on their relationship, and he weaponizes Ellis
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a lot against her or Meredith's depression that they talk
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: called the dark and drearies. But like it's depression, like
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you you don't just like wake up, go to your job,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: have to do emergency hours next to a fairy and
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: then go I'm gonna drown myself. And then Eric, and
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: then Derek's like, instead of just waiting waiting for Meredith
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: to wake up from this coma, he's just telling everyone
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: she's trigger warning suicidal. He's like, she knows, she knows
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: how to swim, she's a strong swimmer. I've watched her swim.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: And he's creating a whole narrative. So then by the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: time she wakes up, he's like, I can't love you.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It's hard. You have too many feelings.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm really glad I haven't gotten to
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: that part of the rewatch yet.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'd like to move on from those bozo's.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: They're the worst. I really do think they might be
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the worst.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Oh no, they're not, because here comes the man of
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the hour, the reason that hatred flames my entire body
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: even when I'm not watching the show, and that man
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: is Owen fucking Hunt.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Me is he is the worst? You're right? I stand corrected.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: He wins the title of the worst of the worst.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: My first note for Owen Hunt is he is only
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: on the show to bring women grief.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I think that is true.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: He's like the bad ghost, the death ghost in the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Christmas Carol, just following these women around, taking their body autonomy.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I did make an unhinged graph that show holding up
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: right now. That is just a really unhinged moment of
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: who slept with who? And Owen and uh, he's with Christina,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: He's with Teddy, he's with Amelia. Is that I mean?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: But they're like, but he marries all of them, right,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: He's married to three of them, like, and the only woman.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: That he starts sleeping with and doesn't marry and or
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: have a child with is the Lucas's sister, which it's
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: kind of glossed over that happened with her. Yes, the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: hottest woman on the planet.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: She really is the hottest. I want her back on
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: this show. I want her back.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Because I don't know what Owen hunt and maybe, like
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Shanda call In, is Owen Hunt on this show to
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: warn me about conservative men to be like, conservative men
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: are bad? Look how sad all these women are? Who
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: have ever stood next to Owen?
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, like these very successful, brilliant, wonderful women, like brilliant.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: They're all brilliant.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: And because the Lucas her who I've never had a
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: grasp out of her name, because They immediately take her
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: off Graze Anatomy to put her on the.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Firefighter show that I refuse to watch, Yes, which is
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: now canceled, which.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Is now canceled. She dumps Owen because she just wants
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to be casually having sex with him, and he starts
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: treating her like his girlfriend, and then she's like, I
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: only do open relationships and his brain can't compute. He's
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: already decided they're married. Of course, yes, so they have
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to stop sleeping together. And I think that's how he
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: ends up praying on Christina and or Amelia.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I think Christina comes first though, right, because of the icicle.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Christina stuff. Right. We do see Owen Hunt
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: for like forty five seconds, and then he disappears for
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: half a season.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Oh I do remember that. Oh man.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I understand why Christina was so comforted by Owen Hunt,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: because he's so blunt and it's like a Preston Burke
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: who's not smart enough to play Preston Burke games where
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: you always know how he's feeling and you and you
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: know that he's just damaged enough to like you or whatever.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: But damn another one where I'm like, why can't Christina
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: find one man who actually enjoys who she is as
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: a person.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And also, how does Christina need to have to like
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: surprise babies like surprise pregnancies and then too abortions or
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: maybe she doesn't have this she maybe she miscarries the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: first one that she was going to have an abortion.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: No, I think her and Preston have two pregnancies. I
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: think it's both. I think she has a miscarriage when
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: they're first sleeping together. Yes, right, they date seriously, she
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: has a second present pregnancy and he but they're open
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: up again and he holds her through an abortion or
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: something because Owen doesn't show up for her. Owen hunt
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: abortion because he's pro life.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Right exactly. So I think that, like him crawling in
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: bed with her, is when she miscarries because nobody knew
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: she was pregnant, right, But I also is there another one? Yes?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I have three now this image in my head of
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: her sitting in a chair and she doesn't think anyone's
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: coming because her and merediths are kind of on the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: house and he shows up and grabs her hands even
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: though they're pissed off at one another. I think it's
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: after the tremor.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, No, this woman needs to never have surprise fait pregnancies. Ever.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Also, Owen Hunt is the king of surprise pregnancies. I'm
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: convinced he refuses to use protection and he's just one
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: of those guys.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get into that that would just
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: make him an even word, like he's the worst of
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: the worst. I can't have him be even more worse.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I think that brings up the point of sometimes like
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the good guys in the show that present as good
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: guys are really the worst guys. And I feel like
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Owen is given that like hero entrance with the icicle
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: and the I you know, veteran status, he's a war doctor.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: And then you know, George falls into that category of
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: like he's just a nice guy, but really he's not
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a nice guy, and he's not kind to the people
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: he is in relationships with at all.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: No, George was terrible to Cally.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I'm in the throes of that part of it, and
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: it's really really terrible and also hilarious that Callie's rebound
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: is Mark Sloan like, you're you're with George because like you,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I think George is hot and he put his hand
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: in a heart in an elevator and oh my gosh,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: he's great. But then you rebound with Mark Sloan, which
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: is like he's a ten and like, so they're just
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: not on the same level. And George was really really
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: hateful to her every step of the way.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: George is really hateful to Cally for someone who you
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: can still tell still has sex like a virgin. So
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: she upgraded to Mark Sloan, who's like literal side hustle,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: is pleasing women.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, and he's very honest about what he's going to
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: bring to this table. He's like, here I am, I'm
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the dirty mistress and like, let's have some fun.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Also, Mark Sloan queer ally. When Calli wants to start
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: dating women, Mark teaches her how to go down on women.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Oh I forgot that, Yes he is. They had a
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: great relationship.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: So he's fully slept with Kelli. They've had some sort
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: of friendship camaraderie or whatever. And then he's like, you're
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: in date chicks. That's hot. Do I get to know details?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And she's like no, and he's like, what if I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: teach you how to decunning? Lingis the correct way, right.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: And that's what you know. The guys that come on
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: the show as assholes, I think really are who they
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: are and don't hate women as much as the guys
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: who come on as the good guys. Is my theory.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Owen Hunt does get this like hero treatment
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: from all of the men too, because he's seen combat
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and they're all hard about it. They're like, uh, he
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: can do surgery with a stapler, and they're also so
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: mad that he's like he man risen from the hospital
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: pace and they're so mad at him, but they're also
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: in awe of him. And then like so you can
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: that hero worship. And then like Christina like literally is
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: like I don't care how many times he physically abuses me.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna heal his PTSD because I too have PTSD.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Right, and I you know, speaking of PTSD, I think
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: when I stopped watching the show the second time was
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: after the shooting episode and all of the trauma bonding
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: that went on after that, where there were a lot
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: of relationships kind of on the bubble, if I'm remembering correctly,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: and then they all really like doubled down in bad
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: relationships after the shooting, So like Owen and Christina, they
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: were like Owen was torn between Teddy and Christina and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: then doubles down on Christina, and then Lexi and koreb together,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: and then she is still with him afterwards, and you're like, no, guys,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that's the wrong choices. Don't choose them again. Please. That
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: trauma bonding really like threw all the relationships into a
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: meat grinder.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Well because Christina and Owen I didn't realize only get
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: married because Christina is basically a mute Oh yeah, after
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the plane crash and he like yes Nell from the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: movie Now.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, I slid callback.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: He liam Ne sins her. He tries to make her
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: fit for society again and that isn't so she marries.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Him and then he gets mad about her surprise pregnancy
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: and her abortion that he probably never forgives her.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: For because none of these men except for Mark Sloan
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and Alex Karev, are listening to these women when they talk.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I Christina Yane is the first person I think I
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: ever heard on TV say I don't want kids and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: then actively chose that choice. Every day, Oh a surprise baby,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: A boy it another surprise baby aboard it, like, because
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: usually we get the oh, I don't want I don't
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: want kids and then those surprised that her pregnancy happens
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you rise to the acage.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: H yeah, yes, I do not like that in stories
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: or plots, and I think a crossover to shows of
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: where men hate women. The Secret Lives of Morgon Wives
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: has a surprise pregnancy this last season, and it was
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: traumatic to watch this woman who wanted to leave her
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: husband is pregnant, very pregnant, and decided to stay and
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: had to leave the show because she was so depressed
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Also, by the time, have you watched the reunion yet,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: because it's like she's had a lobotomy, I'm like.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Who that the blonde hair? It is? Don't worry darling.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Is that the name of that that went so badly?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: It is that she is very, very blonde, very baby voice,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: very just happy and you know what, maybe she's on
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: some great meds that are helping her. Who knows number
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: one of the Mormon wives.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much Knada mean they gave her,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: but it was enough to like literally literally turn her
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: into a trad wife over again. They're all trad wives.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but right, So we have the two examples of
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the surprise baby's surprise pregnancies.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: And I yeah, and the rising to the occasion, And
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think that we give Christina Yane enough credit
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: for or I guess Shonda or for whoever wrote the
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: story arc how much that means to me as a
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: woman who does not want to have kids, where I
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: always have Christina Yane to lean back on to be like, look,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't matter if no one holds my
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: hand during the abortion or this is a choice that
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I we also taught me that, like just because you're
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: saying it doesn't mean that you they're hearing it, So
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: you literally have to live it and call their bluff.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, right, because in both occasions, and maybe this mysterious
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: third that I've blocked out is her really doubling down
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and saying absolutely not. That's not what I'm doing. That's
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: not the path that I'm on. I'm not going to
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: be a general surgeon mommy, Like I'm I know what
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I'm good at and I'm going to pursue it. And
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I think you're right. It is really like seeing that
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: is powerful. And I waited like seven years before I
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: had kids, and a lot of questions of when are
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: you going to have kids, and there's a I don't
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: know that I ever want them, Like I didn't know
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: if I ever wanted them until I decided to have them.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I also think that it was so
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: interesting this next this last watch through, how when Meredith
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: gets pregnant and actually wants a family with Derek, how
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: betrayed Christina feels.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: About that.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: And like, I'm like, you know, it's shitty, but she
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I understand where they like grief and that hurt comes
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: from because like I think Christina always thought that her
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Meredith would do life together and then Meredith goes one
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: hundred percent.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: In on Derek, right, Yeah, Yeah, I think that that
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: it is. I think it is hard. I love that
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Sandra O chose to not be on the show, Like
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I love that journey for her as an actress, and
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I wonder what kind of stories we could have had
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: with her on it and not just her like text
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: bubble every once in a while on the show.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Someone in a wig at Derek's funeral that we're supposed
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: to believe is Christina Yane.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm also glad that they didn't kill her off
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: and that she got to live a life outside of
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: that was the life she chose.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, us finally, And when it comes to Owen Hunt,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: he just he's always looking for a broken bird to heal,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't want you to actually be healed. He
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: wants you to be in doctrine to him. He wants
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: you to imprint on him like a werewolf. And we
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: see it with Amelia. Amelia always has a large piece
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: of my heart because she tells Owen Hunt, I didn't
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: love you. It was a brain to her.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, that is the best hilarious get out of jail
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: free whoop see like a racer to the storyline that
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: maybe we need more of.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And now he finally is married to Teddy and that
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be ed game. But he's also never
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: considered the fact that Teddy had an entire life outside
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: of him, and then we find out it's a queer life.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: And I can't imagine the king of pro life is
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: also the king of.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Gays, the king of you named our baby after your
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: first true love? Yeah, Alison, Yeah, I think the Teddy
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Owen dynamic is like, since they're the ones that are
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: currently on the show right now from the season's past,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: is the most infuriating because it's like they don't know
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: what to do with Teddy as not someone who's like
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: pining after Owen or ruining her marriage by sleeping with
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: care Assics or whatever it was, you know that went
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: on with them, and they don't her being chief and
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: almost dying because she didn't go to the dentist or whatever,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: and her being mad at Owen for legitimately almost ruining
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: their lives and them having to run away to where
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: and seek legal counsel, like it felt like she was
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: the bad guy in that that, like Owen made some
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: choices that were bad for everyone, like the law, and
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: yet it seemed like Teddy was like the adult that
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, you did a bad thing, and now
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: your Teddy's also the villain for being mad at that.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Well, and isn't it always funny that like Owen, Hunt's
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: hands are always tied where it's like, well, I had
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to be there for Christina. She was now she was
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: nailed out after the plane crash, and then it was well,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I had to help these guys break the law and
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: choose to end their lives because I'm a veteran and
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I know how it is. And then it's like, well,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I had to love Teddy because she's been pining for
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: twenty years, and then it eventually turns into and I
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: had to sleep with that other woman I knew in
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: high school because Teddy was supposed.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: To sleep exactly exactly and like.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Literally my hands are tied. It's never actually his responsibility
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: and he's so bad.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Well right, And that goes back to the idea that
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the women are the ones that it's all their fault,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: that it that they're the ones that are held responsible
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: for men's actions or men's desires or men's feelings, and
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: the men just get to have these feelings and these desires.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: And that's not to say I I love the women
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: characters on Grays and I don't want to shit on
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Shonda because she gave us so much and I love
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: her so much, you know, even you know she so
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: we have been given these stories of complex women, and
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: so I don't want to shit on that. But I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: do want to shit on that these men are awful
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: and that they aren't the examples of love that we
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: maybe thought they were twenty years ago. And as they're
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: trying to evolve the storyline, like with Winston and Mellon
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: or Jewels, I don't know how to say your last name.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: It's like they're trying to redo it and do it better,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: but it's still like not fully there because the men
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: are still kind of awful. We're a lot awful.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I see as positioning our awful man Reagun over to
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Miranda's husband, Bend, and I'm like, not Ben. You can
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: have any of them, but you can't have Ben. There
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: are so many other husbands to choose from that. Ben
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: has stood by Miranda through a thick infant and has
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: done it almost flawlessly.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, and they've adopted two children in one year, right,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: and yes, he is great. I was looking at I
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: was trying to re fresh my memory on all the
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: different relationships for my very childlike drawing of the relationship web,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: and it always came down to, like Ben and Miranda
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: best relationship on this show. All of them were like
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: they got it, they got it going on, and You're like, good,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: we need some unproblematic people.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Because I really thought that this season was going to
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: end with Miranda kicking Ben out again because he was
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: clearly going to lose his job at Seattle Gray's for
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: all the shit he was pulling. And that does and
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I was going to stand with Miranda on that because
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: it does rat up her anxiety, and it's like the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: meds can't do it all, like the meds, the therapy,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the breathing techniques, like at some point you have to
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: also just stop breaming stress into my workplace. And you
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: know it didn't end that way. It turns out that
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Teddy and Ohen we're the breakup of the finale episode,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: and I was like, thank god, thank god.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: With that breakup felt I want to say lackluster, Like
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I feel like I missed it.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Teddy just going I'm finally choosing me. What does
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: that mean? Do we get Sophia Bush back? Yes? Or no?
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah?
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Nobody should have said no to that, Like if this
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: is Hamilton and we're Maria Reynolds, like, don't say no
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: to that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: No. I am so mad and frustrated that no one,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: no one got Sophia Bush into a compromising position.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, ah, right, and like, what's going on
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: with Amelia's love life? This is just a tangent at
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: this point. Why is where are we at with Amelia?
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: She's just working solving al Zheimer's.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and is she going to kill Standley Morales, yes
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: or no?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Right, no exactly. Oh, I forgot about them because they
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: don't put them together because their chemistry is so wonderful
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that we would just need them to be together for us.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: He's like, they're so good.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I know, it's like Sophia and Nabley. You can tell me,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: would you just not sign up for more episodes? Right?
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Let us know comment? Because again, because okay, I was
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: almost to the point where I was like, Okay, they're
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: bringing in whole new people. I don't I don't have
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: to be involved here. And then the woman who plays
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Jules is a woman who played Mary Quino Scott on Rain,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: which is a shitty WB show.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, the WB knows what it is and stays
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: in its lane to perfection, you know.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: And I watched every minute of Rain and loved it,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and I am so attracted to her, and I was like, bye,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I'll watch a couple of episodes and see if I'm
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: still attracted to Adeline Kane. And it turns out I am.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: And then I was starting to get over it again
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: because there's too many of them, so it's not like
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: anyone I care about is getting enough screen time and
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: then they went and then Sophia Bush posted a picture.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I think maybe it was public on Instagram. I like
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: to think it was just for me, and it was
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: her in a gray Sloan coat, and I was like, God,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: damn it, Shonda. Every time, every time Sophia Bush can
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: get me to do anything and go anywhere, the white man,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Brooke Davis can get me to do anything anywhere. And
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I guess Shonda knows someone's paying attention to my social
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: media exactly.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: They know how to hook us back in, they know
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: how to carry this.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I do want to touch on George and give it
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: its actual moment, because I think we just breeze to
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: buy him. Yeah, George is one of those guys who
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: is so mediocre looking and nervous and not funny enough
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: that you don't think he's a threat. And the entire time,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: all he's doing is waiting for you to have the
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: one big breakup so you sleep with him. He's like,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: one day, I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: I wish I was good at editing and could re
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: edit certain scenes with like serial Killer music for George's scenes,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: like like if we could rewatch this and it's you
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: season Grace, like of him just being.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Not the good guy, Like he looks like the good guy,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: but really he just wants to have Meredith in a way.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Izzy or Christina or truly any of them. I think,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I think, like I think that's what you learned from
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: George is like he'd take any of them. And then
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: he's so mad when it's CALLI and it's like why
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: because she's fun?
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Oh right, Okay, so several things. I don't think George
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: really ever liked Meredith. I think he liked the idea
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: of Meredith and the things that he says about her.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: It's like, and you were wearing the black dress with
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: the shabby sandals, and we talked about this, And I
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: just don't think he really ever had a conversation with her.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think he listened to her. I don't think
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: he was a good friend to her. And then even
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: when they sleep together and they're both consenting adults and
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: it doesn't go the way he wants, and then he's
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: the one that tells everybody what happened on accident and
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: she is the one that's that fault because she should
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: know better. When he they finally talk He's like, I
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: knew you didn't want me. I just and You're like, well,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: that's the creepiest thing you could say, and that's not
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: an apology and that just makes you awful.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Right Well, and then it's the same thing. So like,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: is he takes the brunt of the George and is
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: the affair like they end up cheating on Kelly together. Yes,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: and it's Isy's fault even though George prayed on Meredith
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: when she was grieving Eric, and he prayed on Isy
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: when she was grieving the death of the perfect man.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Denny to do cats.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, did you see Jeffrey Dean Morgan is
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: hosting a new reality TV show that I will be watching. Yeah,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: I shot that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I so to bring One Tree Hill back in because
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I never leave.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Shout out to the WB.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the w B. Denny Duquatz. Jeffrey Dane
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Morgan is married to Hillary Burton, who played Peyton Sawyer
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: of One Trio. They are the hottest gull I've ever seen.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I get minute by minute updates on them because whenever
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I'm having a bad moment, and there are several I'm like,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: maybe I could find a new picture of Hillary and
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Dean standing next to one.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I want to sign up for this group
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: text where you just like curate the news and photos
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: of them for me.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: They're so hot. And Denny Ducatz was the perfect man
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: because he was on the show for ten minutes, so
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: he couldn't disappoint.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Us, right, And he barely ever stood up right. He
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: just was in bed. He was laying down the whole time,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: and he was loving Izzy.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he died and had that hurt heart murmur
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Thane before we could learn anything about his relationship with.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: His bad and then he had millions of dollars. So
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I just a perfect man. He knew what he wanted.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: But George sleeps with like is. He's clearly spirally And
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I will say that Alex Kreb the douchebag himself at
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: least waits a year, maybe more, maybe until at least
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: is he can start formulating sentences again without crying to
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: be like, maybe I heal you from the Danny duquettes
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: of it all.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing one of the things that
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I hate about George is that the way he never
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: sticks up for CALLI with the girls and like it
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: would have gone so far if he had done anything.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: But I think he liked that that they didn't like her.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I think that that gave him something like, oh, they're
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: protecting me, or oh everybody is paying attention to me,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: and Cally is being punished by being attracted to me
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: by my friends, And then he can completely disrespects Callie.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: And that's the other thing, is that back to the
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: power dynamic. Here's one example of Callie is the attending
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: and George is the intern, and everybody's fine with this relationship.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: No one seems to have any problem with it, And
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: like if it was the if the girl was the intern,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like then we would have a problem with
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: the girl in turn, you know, but he completely doesn't
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: respect her as a doctor. Like there's an episode where
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: he's questioning her choices to do surgery on an like
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: ultra marathon runner and he gets him to leave the
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: hospital and you're like, you just can't respect this woman's profession,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: like her actual schooling profession. You George no better than
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: this doctor, And then he gets hit by a bus.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: He does that who is Gonna Die? Episode was really dark.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Well, and also like, so George is that little guppy
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: who can't so like he is the first intern in
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: the intern class to kill someone during surgery. He is
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: also the only one who doesn't pass his boards, so
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: he has to repeat his intern year and so like
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: it's all boiling up, and I'm like, ooh, this is
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: why we need to start telling people that like, men
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: like George are dangerous, like literally they will get beaten
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: down enough where their pride is literally nothing. So now
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: he's gotta go and like shame CALLI all day every
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: day and then be like, but you should be my wife.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Right, or like you should not move in because I
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: changed my mind but never told you out loud. Or
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: you should let me love you because I didn't say
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I loved you, but let me say it when I
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: want to. Like, every interaction that they have that could
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: be or should be romantic does not age well after
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: twenty years, just like.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: One of those tiny little dogs that has something to
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: prove all the time.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I think him and Korev Alex and
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: George are a really good mirror to each other because
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Alex comes in as like a douche and a womanizer
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: and is sleeping around and gives George syphilis or whatever
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: STI that went around the hospital and like, but that's
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: who Alex was, and he knew who he was and
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: he was honest about it and he didn't try to
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: hide it. And I feel like that's like with Mark too.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: He comes in and owns that he slept with Addison,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: is honest, that he loved Adam Sin and he also
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: continued to sleep around.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, like, and I think the difference between like
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Mark and Alex is they can actually see women as
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: a whole person and then when it's real for them,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Like Alex was great to Izzy during the whole cancer scenario.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: He was a good husband to Joe. He was disrespectful
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: as fuck when he left.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, but we blamed that on the scam artist Grange situation.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, you gotta watch that documentary.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: It's wild, oh so wild, but resolved a lot of
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: my anger at the show.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh huh. And then and then like Mark with
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Lexi and how much he truly cared about whether or
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: not he was crossing a line with Little Gray and
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: what ramifications that was going to have on not even
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: just her career, but like also her personal life. Like
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he has a twenty two year
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: old daughter, and and it's like, well, Lexi herself is
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: twenty five, so what does this look like? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: and he's going to be a grandpa. And like I mean,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Mark and Luxey kill me, just truly kill me.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that. I think like with Mark and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: with Alex, they are who they are and they grow
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: and they change, like Alex hating being Addison's intern and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: being that intern for punishment, but then growing into the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: you know, into Pedes. They were upfront about it and
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: not that it's okay to come in hating women or
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: being a womanizer or you know, they I think have
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: enough growth. But also, like you said, see women as
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: women and like sex asider they I don't know, They're
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: not as bad as George is what I'm saying, or
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Preston or Owen. Yeah, you're like, I'm gonna get with
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Alex because or like Kellie sleeping with Mark, I'm gonna
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: have a good time with Mark because George is being
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: a little bitch. So I know what I'm choosing, I'm
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: and getting what I want out of it. You know,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: everyone's satisfied in that story.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: And what Kelly ends up with is a father for
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: her baby.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Exactly and like a best friend and.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: A thorn in Arizona side.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, no, I didn't like it.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: It's such a large show, and it's such a large cast,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: and we are at the point where we are recycling
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: story plotlines and we're getting new Derek's, new Burkes and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: new marks every day. But I really do think like
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: there's so much weight to that show, and it is
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: because it's been going on for twenty years, such a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: time capsule of how women have disrespected or respected ourselves,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: like what we were willing to put up with.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Meredith doesn't even tell Nick that she's gonna move to Boston.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: She just puts her house on the market.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Right, And I did they somehow get engaged in this
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: last episode? It felt like Nick, you don't like him?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: I love Nick? Oh yes, okay. I'm like, I want
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: the Felicity actors to just be on everything forever, and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: I'm be happy.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I never watched Felicity and.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch it either. I just love that these
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: men keep popping up and I know that they are
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: from the WB, so maybe you do need to watch it.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Everyone should be watching the WB, is what I'm saying sponsorous.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Are they still bankrupt? Are they bankrupt? Are they around still?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, who knows?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I but yeah, when it comes. I also liked that
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: man with the good hair who was Owen's friend from
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: the Wars who Riggs Rigs like the man with the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: good hair Rigs. He unfortunately had to quick quick craze
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: anatomy to be on the most boring show in existence,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Virgin River.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Wait, is that why he left?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the main guy on Virgin River.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Now what is that a w B show?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: No, it's a Netflix show, okay, and it's basically off
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: of like Christian romance novels. Okay, you should watch one
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: episode for me. Time doesn't exist on Virgin River. Will
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: go three years between seasons, and yet they pick it
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: right back up like we had just not seen these
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: people five minutes ago, and it's like they paged thirty years.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, So Riggs ended up with Meredith, but then was
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: in love with Owen's sister who they found right. Okay,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: but see, I wonder what happened to like the Scottish
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: or Irish man that had interest in.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Christ.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I was very mad that that never took
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: off with Meredith because I was I was into that accent.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: I was there for that storyline, and then maybe he
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: has a show somewhere and that's why he left.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: I know, I didn't follow him to the next I
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: did rigs though.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, now I'm gonna google that later and find
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: out what happened.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Virgin River is so wild because they'll say the most
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: dramatic shit dead panned like no one has any feelings,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: and then they just panned to a beautiful mountainside because
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: with the river going through it, and you're your mind
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: is just white from what awful conversation just happened.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: It's wild.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: It's a wild job.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I feel like that's all we wrote.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I mean, like you said, they are
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: starting to read do storylines a bit with new with
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: the new class of interns that they keep bringing in.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I'm also I'm not one to throw women under the
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: bus for being misogynists, but I hate Catherine Webber.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, she is going through something and I want to
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: believe that it's Alzheimer's for some reason, and then she's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: gonna have to fund them, like then she can finally
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: put the money behind them, and I get it.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Like Catherine Webber is the quintessential. I worked really hard
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: to get where I was. But you also married into
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: a family with a bunch of money and a medical
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: right award and association or whatever we call it. So okay, Catherine,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: But Catherine worked really hard for everything that she was
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: due or whatever, so like she can't stand when, like
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Meredith finds a loophole mm hm, and then she has
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: to make everyone's life hell, which I guess is what
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: conflict is for. But I'm like, Catherine, could you just
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: be a girl's girl once right? Once right?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Stop punishing a lot of people.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Because younger women, just younger women who are probably as
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: talented as you.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I yeah. That that branches into the other conversations of
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: how you know, generationally we are we don't prepare the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: next batch of leaders, right you sure don't.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: We instead resent them, yes, and punish them and make
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: things harder. Cute, cute. I really hope the millennials break
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: that trend, just because we're too tired to punish.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: People, right exactly, We'll just be like, go next generation,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: you got it. We believe in you, We believe in you.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Jen z Well Christiana. This has been a bucket list item,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that one writing class brought us together.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Me too on this On this show, we pray to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: the altar of a lot of women, and one of
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: those women is Chelsea Devantas.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, Chelsea, thank you.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: He brought me to so many talented people. And now
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I get to talk about Grey's Anatomy. Probably because Chelsea
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: was like, I can't talk to you about One Tree
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Hill one more time. I did not see it. I
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: did not watch it. So here I am on my
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: own show being like, I have two passions in life,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: and that's crazy to me.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that our venn diagram can match up for grace.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Also, thank you for just like putting yourself out there
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: and being like I can do it. I'm ready.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, of all the topics you throughout, this one
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: by far was the one I was made for twenty
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: years in the making.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, we didn't even do our clothes. I'm trying
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: to shut down the show. We didn't do our closing ceremony.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I'm already just thanking people. What is the biggest lesson
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: that you've taken away from Gray's Anatomy.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, Like, okay, I think it's hard to distill twenty
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: years of watching one show into one takeaway. I think
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: I think my takeaway is to be more like Mark
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Sloan and Alex and to be honest about who you are.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Just show up and be the person that you are,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: and don't try to hide behind being the good guy.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Just say I'm ambitious or I'm a womanizer or I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: don't want kids. Just be you and just don't pretend.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: And also don't don't get punished by others for how
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: you make them feel. Like all these women getting punished
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: for how they made men feel. That's just I don't
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: have place to hold that. So those are my takeaways
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I think mine. And again maybe it's paranoia, maybe I
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: just want you all to be safe, but I truly
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: think we have to start actually tracking men's words against
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: their actions and how I once had a friend tell
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: me she was like, I wrote down every mean thing
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: and X said to me and never showed it to you,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: but like I would just like, you know, look at
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: it from occasion to like ratify that that was real,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: that those were things that he said to me. And
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, you have to clock every mean thing
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: they say to you, and how often and in how
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: many different ways that they say to you. I've been
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: in a relationship where I was constantly asking a man
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: it sounds like you don't like me, instead of just
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: walking away from that man.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you're right listening to
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: the actions over the but I love you and our hormones.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: I was just having this conversation with my friend yesterday
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: about how like our bodies are literally set up to
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: gaslight us, to continue to have sex with a man,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: to continue to procreate and keep the species alive. So
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: you have to like in those moments when because I've
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: also been in relationships where as soon as he left
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: my driveway and was far enough down the street, my
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: whole body would reset and I would just be like
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: anxious and hate myself and hate him and hate everything
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: that I just did. But then the next day he'd
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: show up and my hormones would flood me with the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: good feelings. I'd be like, man, I'm crazy, I don't know.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you, we have.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: To start understanding our own hormones and our conditioning and
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: the way that our bodies are built to gaslight us.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: That's a good one.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What is something that you would like to manifest
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: for the cast of Grace Anatomy, Shonda, the collective audience, everyone.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I want to manifest. I mean, you know,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: it's crazy out there in the world today, but I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: want more of you know, good good TV that we
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: get to talk about. I know it's silly, but I
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: think those conversations that we get to have, like about
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: the dumb shit about Love Island about twenty years Agree's anatomy,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: like laughing about that, Like having those moments with people
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: that we get to connect about art, highbrow or lowbrow,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Like that's where it's at, That's where the good stuff is.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: And I just want us all to have those moments
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: of like, wasn't that episode really good? Or don't we
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: hate it? Or you know, it's that connection that I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: just I want more of that right now, just connecting
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: with people.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: No, you we were on the same late Oh yeah,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: because I was like I want more people sliding into
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: my dms to talk to me about my trashy shows.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, Like I post all.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: The tiktoks of everything that I'm ever watching on my TV,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: So get on my Instagram and my TikTok and start
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: putting in the comments what you think about all these
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: trashy shows that I'm obsessed with? Like I maybe told
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: my sister not two weeks ago that I was contemplating
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: getting a one tree Hill tattoo. So everyone way in
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: because I'm seeing Tyler Hilton in about a month and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: maybe a month tomorrow, So do I get them what
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: tree Hill tat?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: You know? Oh my gosh, I love this.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: So everyone way in. And but yeah, I never want
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: TV to go away. I love books, I love movies,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: but I love TV. And I miss everyone watching the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: same thing on Wednesday and then talking about it at
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: school or work or wherever on Thursday.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: I totally I agree. I think I've had the best
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: chat on Discord and on Patreons about TV this year
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: that has been so life giving to me. That has
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: just been us freaking out about Severance or what's going
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: on on Love Island right now, and it's just, you know,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: those connections matter, They're so good.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Best friend of the podcast in my eternal spiritual life
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: partner any Seek and I watch we will only watch
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Anne just like that together, taxteeing one another through how
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: it because to me, it's not worth it. It's such a
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: ridiculous bad show. Yes, Like someone has to be paying
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: attention to my jokes, right, yeah, you're like they need
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: an ear. Someone has to be paying attention to my thoughts.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: One time, one of the text messages I sent her
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: was oh, no, old lady fall, and it was about
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: carry Fawley down the stairs or something. I was like, oh, no,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: old lady fall. But yeah, because I mean, it doesn't
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: hit as much when I'm just reenacting Rosie O'donnald's singing
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: for good Cynthia Nix City Time Square because she's never
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: even watched Sex in the City.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: She has no reference for any of this. And she
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: refused to watch the cliff if I sent it to
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: her from TikTok. She's like, I actually want to see that.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I go, well, none of us wanted to see it, right, Yeah,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: I just miss it. I miss sensational and sensanctionalized TV. Yes,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: And I am watching every minute of Love Island and
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: pretty much in real time, so people need to be
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: getting into them dms.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, yeah, we're gonna have to leave this
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: to go watch it and vote probably and vote.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is the only I mean, I think
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: this is the most dedicated I've been at as a
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: TV voter since American Idol.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: You know, like the people what they want, we want
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: to vote on relationship.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: We do, Christiana, do you have anything to plug before
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I let us go?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Oh? I write book reviews on Instagram in the little
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: books to gram corner of the world at Christiana with
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: a K. It's my name. It's just I hope hard
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: just easy to spell.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's hard or easy to spell,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: because it's gonna be in the show notes.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Wait, so that's where people can find me.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, I love book reviews. I also read a lot just.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: So oh yeah, there's no rush.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: But I've been tracking my books and my TV and
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: my movies on TikTok and I just really feel like
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: people should be talking to me more than I want you.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: You know. It's funny. I so my page is mostly
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: book reviews, but I realize not everybody's going to read everything,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: and we get to have the best conversations about what
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: we're watching though, because that is the great equalizer of
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, unless it comes down to I don't have
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: that streaming service so that is a little hard, but.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is well, tolerators, you know where to find
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: us and get into my dms about one Tree Hill.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll start Felicity if enough of you bother me,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: please bother me. I'd love to start Felicity. Uh it's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Nadley K one two four for the personal one Men
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I've Tolerated pod for all podcasts related things Nadley K
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: one two four on TikTok and I don't know, start
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: typing into all the men I've tolerated before on Pinterest, YouTube,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: and any other social media site you're on. See what
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: happens I don't know. They all auto post and share
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: with one another. So pick your poison and remember, tolerators,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: you don't have to smile through anything you're tolerating, including
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: a batch of men with differing levels of really good
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: hair but really bad attitudes.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Smiles are for joy.