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Ep 28 - Sharing Real Intimacy Online: Ben and Jas on Relationships, Sex, and Communication · The Kink Consultant

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It's the King Consultant podcast where we're turning up the heat
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on all things kink and dating, relationships and pop culture.
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So close the door, plugging your headphones and let's get down to
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it. Hey everyone and welcome to this
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week's episode of The Kink Consultant.
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Delighted to have Ben and Jazz here.
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I am a follower of theirs on Instagram and I am obsessed with
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a couple of the series they have going.
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So welcome Ben and Jazz. Excited to get into this with
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you all today. Thank you.
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Thanks. For having us so.
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Excited. No way you're as excited as I
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am. I feel like you're celebrities
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and I watch your lives and I'm obsessed with both of you.
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So it's really a pleasure and super exciting to be here today.
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So I originally found you both. My sister actually sent your
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account to me and she said I think you will like them.
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I was obviously I was like, yes, of course.
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A couple talking so openly about their sex life, duh.
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I want to know how you got started.
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Like it's a big jump for a couple to go online and talk
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about their lives so openly. Honestly, we fell into it in a
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weird little originally I had an only fans a very long time ago,
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had it for like a while. It was kind of on and off using
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it. And then we got together.
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I was like, what did you point with me?
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And you were like, yeah. And I was like, OK, cool.
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And then we like sort of talked about it back and forth and I
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was like, oh, maybe I got like a little Instagram.
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The first video we ever did that went viral was actually a bigger
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about me asking Ben, what's the thing that you hate most about
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me? Or what's the thing that I
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dislike Yeah most about you? And it has like 7.7 million
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views or something. And it was basically been saying
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that I can be quite selfish sometimes.
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And I've been like, like, fair, like, Oh my God.
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And not just kind of took off. And I was like, oh, this is
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interesting. Like maybe people aren't used to
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listening to conversations that you would never normally care
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about. I think in a big frustration, a
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big frustration for us is seeing couples online and only posting
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the good stuff because, like, everyone always compares their
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life to what they see online. And that's super, super
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dangerous. Yeah.
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As just was saying, like, after that video popped off, we
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started having these discussions around what if we put everything
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online in terms of the good, the bad, the ugly, and try and show
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people that it's OK to have disagreements, that it's OK to
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have different views, but it's all about how you communicate
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that. Yeah.
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And that was kind of like how it sort of.
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Yeah, it went from that to having these that people
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normally wouldn't have to then going, OK, what's the next
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conversation we could have that people wouldn't have?
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And it was he didn't like that I did in the bedroom and what I
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didn't like about what he did in the bedroom.
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And that figure did really, really well.
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And I was like, OK, this is interesting.
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People don't really talk about sex with their partners that
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often. Like it's a very temporary
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subject even within a relationship For me, like as a
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woman, you barely talk about that with partners, especially
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if they're not comfortable to talk about it.
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And then we started talking about that.
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And then we're kind of like, all right, let's do some more like
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different ideas, videos around sex.
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It just kept growing from there. And the more it got bigger, the
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more we were like, OK, we'll start to like tape it down now.
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And then we went from like 50,000 to like 70,000.
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We're like stop, slip down now. And then it went to 100,000 and
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we're like, Oh my God. We're like, ah, it's so funny
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because they're both very like awkward people.
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I feel we're like, wow, this is really interesting.
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And people meet you in person. You're like, I really remember
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it wasn't super awkward. So did you do porn together 1st
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and then started making content on Instagram?
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Yeah, actually. So, yeah, because, yeah, because
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you had the only things beforehand, so you already had
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like a big following online prior to us getting together.
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Yeah. So we just started doing that
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for fun because we're both very sexually opening confident
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people. So we started targeting just the
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existing platform that Jazz had on OF and.
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Yeah. And then we realized, oh, we can
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really kind of like do more. And and then I think it was more
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like we were very passionate about being able to help couples
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and just people in general communicate better in the
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bedroom because obviously you've you've had some pretty poor
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experiences. Yeah.
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You know, had poor experiences myself and hear stories from my
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mates and stuff like that. And I'm like, well, the thing
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that always comes back is communication, right?
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Like women want to feel safe in the bedroom once they feel safe,
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if they're willing to do more, and then the man gets more of
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what his desires are. So instead of trying to force
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that, talk about it. Yeah.
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That's kind of the basis of everything that we kind of
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started off of that too, is like, you know, yeah.
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Communication. I love the long answer version
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because the idea that women feeling safe is what is going to
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open them up in the bedroom. Or at least it brings out the
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exploration that I think men are taught, oh, this is what you
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should be doing or something like that.
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Under pressure put on people to like explore in the bedroom and
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be adventurous. But in order to do that, people
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are always skipping over the safety talk or just feeling safe
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and trust. Trust is the big one for me.
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I'm like you need to be able to trust each other.
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There can be a lot of guys that feel super like not fulfilled in
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the bedroom and we get messages all the time of guys being like,
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how do I get my girlfriend to give me a blowjob?
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And I'm like, have you spoken to her?
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You can kind of tell this disconnect between like, I want
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this, but how do I get it? And it's like, well, how do you
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approach that with your partner and make them feel safe about
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it? Like, why don't they want to
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give you a blowjob? Like is there a reason why
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they're not feeling like they want to?
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Do they not feel like they're getting enough from like you and
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the relationship and from what you're giving them sexually?
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Like there's so many different factors that go in it rather
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than just, my partner doesn't want to give me a blowjob.
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It's like, well, there's probably a reason behind it and
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like, you've got to sit down and figure that out.
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Yeah, that's a really good point.
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You exemplify this by having these conversations as you
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referenced before you started recording them.
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Were you both curious about each other in this way?
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Like, were you constantly asking questions?
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Yeah. When we first started dating, we
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would talk about pretty much anything and everything.
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Yeah, in terms of like what we wanted for our relationship.
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There was a point where we were talking about being in an open
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relationship didn't down that path since I'm way too jealous.
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Like we spoke about all these things that were like, you know,
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is even monogamy right for us? Like is it not right for us?
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Like we had conversations around porn.
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We had conversations around what we both liked in the bedroom.
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Like you would always be like, OK, cool.
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Did you like that? Was that OK?
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Like you concentrating this Like it was very much conversations
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around what we wanted to try and what we liked.
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And then even after we finished having sex, we'd talk about it
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and be like, oh, how was that? Like what did we like about
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that? Or if we're talking.
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About a good debrief. It's hard to relive it again.
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You love it in great detail. It's like having a fool at the
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end to like, yeah, how was this, I mean.
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Like, why wouldn't you want to talk about something fun and
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exciting? It's like when you go on a
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roller coaster or something new and fresh and exciting, you're
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like, oh, I want to talk about it again and relive it.
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Why not do the same with great sex?
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Like you get to relive it and then you learn more about the
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other person and then you get to take that into the next time.
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It's even better. Yeah, so you just keep upping
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the ante on each other. Yeah, this feedback loop, but
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similar to the well, the selfish conversation or what do you not
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love about me? How do you feel when you get
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negative feedback? Constructive criticism.
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We'll call it constructive criticism.
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I think it really depends. Like sometimes we are really
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good at communicating with each other.
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Sometimes we're really bad at communicating with each other.
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And like it can go up and down in that way.
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I guess it really depends. Like there was a time where like
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I think you were going down on me and I was like kind of felt
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like you didn't want to and you were like what?
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No, like not at all. I don't remember you being a
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little bit like, oh, I was a bit taken back by that.
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Like I didn't think that. But like you weren't angry or
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mad that I was like, oh, it felt like you weren't wanting to.
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You were just like, oh, I was a little taken back and like a
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little bit like, oh, damn, because I really wanted that to
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make you feel good. But you weren't angry.
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But. You know, there's no reason for
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me to be. But I think anytime like we have
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negative feedback like you've told me when like you're like
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OK, blow jobs, like I would like it this way and I'm like, OK,
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that's fine. But like we never get angry
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about that. Like it's just kind of like a,
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it might be disappointing because you're like, I was
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trying really hard or like, I really had this intention and
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that might make you feel sad, but then it's not like an anger
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after because then that person feels like they can't say it
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again, if that makes sense. Yeah, I.
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Want to commend you Jazz for even saying in the 1st place
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like oh it felt like you didn't want to do that.
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Like a lot of people, I think would bury that.
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I think I used to, but like, you're very good with talking to
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me about that stuff that you would rather know than not know.
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Absolutely, yeah. Anyone who goes in thinking they
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know everything and then they're the greatest at it.
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Red flag anyway, you're going to get better at it is through
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communication like why would you want to continue to do the same
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thing if it's not great, tell me what you like tell me what works
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like yes, it can sting at times because you're like, oh, I
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thought I really nailed that. But just like anything,
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sometimes it's going to be phenomenal.
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Other times it's not so talk about the time, like talk about
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both, but especially when it's not great so you can learn
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because then it just gets better and better I.
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Think with other partners as well.
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I used to not be like that. Like I would absolutely bury it
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and be like, OK that's fine. Like I was so uncomfortable with
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either if I didn't like something or like everyone's
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like, different or like I was even sometimes like really
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uncomfortable to come. Like it was just like a really
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weird trust thing. But yeah, I've never had that
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since being with you. Because I think you're very
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like, open in terms of talking about what we liked and didn't
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like. And even if you think a
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session's badge and like, oh, sorry, that wasn't the best.
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And I'm like, no, it was really good.
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Like, what do you mean? They're very open to be like
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that. Probably wasn't like our best
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session, but they're not always going to be like that.
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Sometimes they're going to be the most amazing thing we've
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ever had their entire lives, and sometimes it might not be the
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best session ever, which is so fun, yeah.
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There's no right or wrong. I agree completely, there is no
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right or wrong and the open communication without bringing
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your ego into it is really helpful when you're not getting
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angry. It's really just not letting
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your ego affect hearing the feedback.
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Sure. That's a very good point
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actually your. Work sort of overlaps with your
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sex life, right? Your organic sex life?
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I'm so curious about how you balance that.
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I have two questions #1 how many times a week are you having sex
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#2 how many times a week is it that it is just for fun and
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there's no agenda of we need to get through this for whatever
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series we're running it really. Changes because I find that like
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my libido really flows with like my cycle.
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I end a cycle, don't really want to be touched.
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I'm like like, no, I'm not really feeling it.
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Start of like pretty much the half week of my period, start of
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like the new cycle and like every day jumping and then like
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attacking bed every second. And then like, Oh my God.
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So it really changes. Like it can be like literally 5
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* a week, 6 * a week. It could be multiple times a
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day. And then it could be like once a
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week. And it will really depend on
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like the cycle and how we're feeling.
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I completely agree. Like obviously like there's a
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lot of external factors as well with like things that are going
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on that determine our libido drives.
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But yeah, it's very organic and it flows.
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It could be 678910 times. But I think it's like the thing
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we've really learnt like on like sex in terms of like we've done
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that challenge. We had sex for 30 days straight
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is but us it's never about the the quantity is about the
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quality. So like if we're not feeling it
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because of whatever reason, if like we're both working and
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super stressed, we're never going to pressure each other to
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have sex because it's like, OK, that session's probably not
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going to be great, but really changes depending on my cycle
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and definitely with you as well. I don't know if you react to my
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cycle or you're just kind of like respecting what.
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You're both, Yeah. Like, because I mean like, I
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can't even imagine what it would be like having a period.
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So the last thing I want to do is like before or after it's
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coming my. Boobs are like no.
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That's a lot of empathy, Like, oh, I don't know what it's like
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to have a period. So like, let me now pressure
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that person. Yeah, because sometimes I'm just
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like, please don't touch my baby.
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He's like this or so like or something happening.
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I'm like, no, but in terms of how we balance our sex life and
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then only fans life, it took a long time I feel because there
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was a period that we were like we have to go on everything.
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We've got to make sure we have every life in a video up and
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like we would have sex to film. Obviously we'd have sex other
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times, but like we would be like cool, we're prepping to like
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film and we're sort of really learnt with us.
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We take way longer to do costumes than anybody else
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because we wait until we're feeling like doing that costume.
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We're like, OK, cool, this is a costume we have to do.
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And it could be anal, it could be role play, it could be
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anything. And we're like, cool, we're
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gonna wait until we're feeling like we want to film that type
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of video. And then one, the video is more
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authentic, but two, we actually don't enjoy it and it's like
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fun. For us, I think that then also
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like has an onflow effect to the relationship too.
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So yeah, we're very patient with that sort of stuff.
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Yes, it does piss off some people at times, but at the end
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of the day, like our relationship will always come
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first. We probably have sex for
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ourselves more than we do for only fans.
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Maybe 1/4 of the time is when we film finally fans.
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Like when we're like, oh, you know, we're feeling like we want
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to film this. Or if there's times where we
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feel like we've been filming too much, we'll be like, oh, we're
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not filming this session. Yeah, this is this is purely for
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us to reconnect. So I would say, yeah, probably
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like a 7030 or at best in terms of like filming ratio to not
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filming. Because it is well, like if I oh
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cool, like we should film this and you're like, we should do
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this for ourselves. I'm OK, That's fine.
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Like you would normally say that or I would be like, yeah, no,
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like I'm not feeling like filming it.
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Let's just do it for ourselves. I've kind of learned that we
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don't have to film all of the time.
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Like it's fine to kind of take steps for ourselves.
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And also like our job is very based on like whether we are
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connecting. So like if we're not able to
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connect because we're constantly filming these videos, like
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putting pressure on ourselves, then we're not able to like do
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our jobs. We've really kind of learned
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that like our relationship is like the most important thing
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because that relies on us doing our job.
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So our relationship has to be good, or like that has to be
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good, but we have to keep working on it because that
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connection is what drives the rest of our life.
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Now let's get back to the fun. So it's interesting because it's
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not just that you each have to give feedback on whether or not
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you're in the mood to have sex, then you need to qualify with
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her. Not this is for only fans or for
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personal life. The way you describe it, it
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almost sounds more helpful, like you're really taking the
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personal aspect out of it. I know for some people,
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including myself, if I'm rejected from sex, I have to
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remind myself it's not personal, it's how the other person is
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feeling. And it sounds like it is so much
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a natural part of how you both operate and communicate.
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I don't know, sounds idyllic really.
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Maybe like it's not as hard then to have to like get over the
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rejection. We definitely don't get it right
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every single time. And there is times that we
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definitely feel rejected. Like you've come to me a few
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times where I'm like, look, I'm just not in the mood because of
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for whatever reason. And I'm like, Oh no.
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And then you've come back. You're like, oh really?
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You know, that kind of got me. And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry.
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Like it had nothing to do with you.
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It's just because like if XY and Z, I'm stressed or tired or I
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didn't sleep well or I've got this on my mind, that sort of
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stuff. Most of the time I do. 9 times
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out of 10 you're good. It definitely does sting at
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times. Like you don't, you can't get it
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right every single time, but. You're in person?
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Yeah. Feelings.
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For the most part, we always do remember that these
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conversations, no matter how uncomfortable or painful that it
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can be, it always leads to us getting closer or getting us
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what we want ultimately. Most feel as well when you're
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like, hey, like we're kind of on the merit.
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I just wanna like cuddle or whatever it is.
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If we just like sit down and we're cuddling pages and you get
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horny anyway, yeah, so it's pretty like we're just kind of
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cuddle. I wanna dig into the 30 days of
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sex. Yeah.
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Were you allowed to say no? We we sat down and we really
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talked about it at the start and mapped out how this would work
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despite someone might not feeling it.
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Right. So we kind of came up with the
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idea that over the next 30 days, at minimum, one of us have to be
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able to get off. Yeah.
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So that way, if one of us wasn't really feeling it, we could
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still complete the challenge. With the 30 years of fucking, it
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wasn't like sex is just intercourse.
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It's like sex is full place. Sex is like you going down on me
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or me going down on you or like hand jobs or whatever.
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It is like sex isn't just penis. No, it's like some people think
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it's everything else that is involved around sex is very much
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like a connection thing. So we're like, OK, cool.
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When we do this challenge, it isn't just gonna be about
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intercourse or like a penis in a vagina.
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It's about trying to find other avenues as well to get each
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other off and to have that connection.
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There were definitely times where we were like, it's been
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like 15 days in a row and like, I'm tired or you're gonna go
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like, I'm just going down a new shot.
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I'd be like, cool. And then the next time I'd be
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like, OK, then I'm just going to go down on you or whatever.
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And then we'll be able to have somewhat of a break.
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Yeah, the first one was really fun and and somewhat
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challenging, but the second one was torture.
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It's so. Hard.
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And I don't think you and I were really on the same page with a
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lot of stuff at that time as well.
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So really challenged just to find the ways to connect to.
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So it's not for the faint of heart, that's for sure.
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So the first time you did 31 days of sex, we'll say 31 days
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of intimacy is what that was. And then the second time my
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impression would be like, oh, you've done it once, you know
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what to expect. Why was the second time?
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Torture I think because the first time we did it, we both
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worked full time so we didn't have like the worry, which
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sounds like it shouldn't be this way, but like I think because we
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work full time and like this wasn't our job.
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Like it was a kind of just like a hobby and we made some money
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on friendly fans, but not like enough for both of us to live
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off. And then the second time around
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we had just moved house. We're living in this house and
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we hated like it was so bad literally like it was 50 square
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foot like with two cats everything in that 30 days we're
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like, Oh my, we can't deal with this.
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And then we also started working full time with our businesses.
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So the stress that they're working on businesses was there
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and like then having to worry about like all that other kind
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of stuff that it just felt really hard to.
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Many layers to it. Yeah, getting like connected to
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be like, OK, we are just here to like connect and that's all we
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have to focus on. The last thing I wanted to do is
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have sex or orgasm at all because I was like, I've got so
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many other things on my mind right now.
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I'd be curious to do it again. It is a really fun challenge
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because you are kind of like learning each other and like
18:39
understanding what each other likes and what each other don't
18:42
like and understanding each other's libido.
18:44
But it is very challenging because you would think like,
18:46
oh, sex like that just brings you close together.
18:48
It's not a challenging thing. But when you add it in like a
18:51
you have to do it. It is actually quite
18:53
challenging, if that makes sense.
18:55
Absolutely. But also, like I understand when
18:57
you're working full time, this becomes the escape, the fun side
19:01
hustle thing. It's the business.
19:04
It's like it it takes up a different space in your mind.
19:07
100% I think we've really had to like take a step back to be
19:10
like, you know what, whatever happens, happens, like it's
19:12
fine, we'll be fine. Like and kind of take a step
19:15
back from that and not really think of it as a business.
19:18
Because again, to us, like when we're doing this, this isn't a
19:21
business, but us, it's always been about like connecting in
19:24
our relationship and then showing that to other people and
19:26
kind of having these discussions with other people and then
19:28
having other people talk about it and relationships and like
19:31
feeling safe to talk about that with their partners and having
19:35
more women understand that you can have good sex and like, you
19:38
know, it isn't your partner to just not want to make you come
19:42
or not make you feel safe in a relationship.
19:45
And I think that is the main reason that we've done this.
19:48
Obviously, like the only friends is a bonus.
19:50
But even on there, it's really nice because like people will
19:53
message us and just literally subscribe because they're like,
19:56
we just love you and want to support you and that's it.
19:58
Like when I'm here to watch videos?
20:00
Yeah. Yeah, it's cool to see the
20:03
effect that you can have. You're both so lovable that I
20:06
have no doubt that you get a ton of messages like that.
20:09
So you've done OK the 30 days of sex.
20:12
Have you ever considered two weeks of no sex the antithesis
20:16
of what your entire Only Fans are probably about?
20:19
We actually have. Yeah, a lot of people want to
20:21
say that. Yeah, I'm very open to it.
20:23
So what is it? Absolutely makes the heart very
20:24
fun, though. Yeah, isn't it?
20:25
Like absolutely makes the pussy 20 up.
20:27
Maybe that's what. You need to test jazz.
20:30
Yeah, make the pussy hornier. Exactly, I think it'd be really
20:34
good because we can like pre film only friends videos.
20:36
That's fine and that's the issue.
20:37
But like it'd be really interesting to see how we went
20:40
for two weeks without anything after the kink challenge.
20:44
We also were doing a challenge where we're gonna test 30
20:46
different toys. So we're gonna like go find the
20:48
craziest toys that we can find and just test all of them and
20:52
like see what they're like. So maybe after that we'll do
20:53
the. Yeah, actually, yeah, it could
20:55
be quite good. We could do a month, but we
20:57
always do a. Month.
20:57
Don't do a month. I would have to do it in the
21:00
start of my cycle because that's one of the point.
21:01
This would be the hardest, yeah. Coming, coming out the other
21:03
end, you're just like, yeah, that's fun.
21:05
Yeah, I'd be like, OK, this is a nice little break, it's fine.
21:07
But if we do at the start of my cycle, that would be so funny.
21:10
Yeah, I might do that. Would either of you describe
21:12
yourselves as kinky? Yeah, so I wouldn't say I'm cool
21:14
kinky. Like I don't think I have like
21:16
cool kinks. I think there's like levels of
21:18
kinks, right? You like to explore, but you
21:20
like your safe designs as well. Yeah, I'm probably a little bit
21:23
more What? Yeah, you're definitely more
21:25
kinky. Yeah, I feel like you're
21:26
definitely more kinky than I am, but I'm open to trying.
21:30
Yeah, all of the kings, but there's definitely kings that
21:32
I'm like, no, these are like my favorites.
21:34
What are your favourites? Definitely like sub praise king,
21:38
mirror king. I love the mirror king.
21:40
Yeah. What's it called?
21:41
Yeah. Yeah.
21:41
So you watch yourself in the mirror while you have sex?
21:44
That was a really hot 1. I actually like that a lot more
21:46
than I thought I would. And then there's the one that's
21:48
like, not for like CNC kind of CNC, but not the way that you.
21:54
You did like a little bit of CNC.
21:55
It was like not for. Me, yeah.
21:56
You didn't like CNC and then? I want to understand why did you
22:01
like it, Jazz? And then we'll talk to Ben about
22:03
why he didn't like. It it's very interesting because
22:06
we've done two types of CNC. We actually did film it, but we
22:09
ended up not pressing it because you were so uncomfortable and it
22:11
was very much like a fight back type CNC.
22:15
Like try to fight as much as you can.
22:17
So can I ask, was it more primal or like a rape scene?
22:21
5050. Yeah, I think.
22:22
You felt OK. Because you were like, I
22:25
remember after we did it, you were like, how could somebody do
22:27
this to? Sign it like to myself after
22:30
this. That's so gross.
22:31
Yeah. So we were like, we were never
22:32
doing that again. I think for me, it was like, I
22:35
really like the idea of not being in control and I really
22:39
love the idea of not having the power when it comes to that.
22:42
And I think because I, I know for a fact in any moment, if I
22:45
say like, no, stop, you would stop.
22:47
Like there's not going to be impression about it.
22:49
So there's pretty much anything you could do to me and I'd be
22:51
like, cool, go for it. Because I know if I'm like stop,
22:54
then you will. But I think, yeah, you really
22:56
struggled with like how icky it made you feel.
23:00
Yeah, it just, I think it's like as a guy, you hear about these
23:03
stuff that happens and you're like, oh, that's terrible, how
23:05
could anyone do that? But then when you have to
23:07
reenact that for somebody who has that decided fish, you kind
23:11
of the whole thing is like, how does 1 do this?
23:14
This is gross. I can't even find the words.
23:17
It just makes me feel so disgusting.
23:19
I'm just like, no, it's like a mixture of emotions.
23:22
Rage is a big one because I'm just like, how could anyone hurt
23:25
somebody else to this degree and be that selfish?
23:28
And it just makes me so fucking angry.
23:31
And then it makes me so sad as well because I'm just like,
23:34
there is no level of words that you could describe the level of
23:37
traumaticness that would be for the other.
23:39
Like just the emotions are so extreme that even now I feel
23:44
sick thinking about. It of just the non consensual
23:47
element that actually happens in real life.
23:50
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand from like a
23:53
consensual, non consensual standpoint, the power dynamic
23:57
and stuff. And I I respect that that works
24:00
for some in the bedroom when there is a safe space created
24:02
and I'm not judging that, but it's just a little bit too real.
24:06
This happens and it doesn't happen like this.
24:08
I did not feel king shamed when you were explaining where you
24:11
were coming from. My only question is, did you
24:14
have an inkling going in that you might feel this way about
24:18
CNC? Yeah.
24:20
I thought I would struggle to start off with and I was like
24:23
wait, and this is actually fine, but I think what I struggled
24:26
with because we did two types. So we did that one which was
24:28
very far back and then we did another one that was more words
24:32
and that one I really struggled with.
24:34
That one I was like, I don't like this, but the other one I
24:37
didn't struggle with, which is really interesting.
24:39
Because I think like the other, you like to be a little bit
24:41
bratty in the bedroom sometimes and that first one's more like
24:44
you just kind of like. Oh.
24:46
Playing back and there's like no but dominate me, whereas this
24:49
other one was very like as if you don't want it.
24:52
You said you were OK with the physical one, but it was sort of
24:56
like the wordy one of saying no, I don't want this was harder for
24:59
you. Yeah, and that one really sucks
25:01
because it was like doing it. And then I had to like walk away
25:04
and be like, no, I stopped. Like I don't want it.
25:06
That one. I was like, oh, this is so
25:08
uncomfortable. I think it is because like, you
25:10
know, normal life, like I'm very ratty, like I love to like piss
25:14
off Ben. So for me I was like, oh, this
25:15
is just like us playing around and like having fun.
25:17
And I think to probably a more of a extent that has never
25:21
happened to me. So I don't have that in my body
25:25
where I feel probably the other kink or I can feel because too.
25:29
Close to home. Yeah, like I feel like that when
25:31
I was like, oh, this feels too real and like I can't deal with
25:35
it because it's Sonic, have experience, so I'm like, I don't
25:37
like it. Like, But the other one, yeah,
25:40
was way easier, yeah. Because you were able to
25:43
separate from it completely. Oh, that make that makes total
25:46
sense. Yeah, I think it's that like
25:48
separation of it, where I think somebody else that has had like
25:51
an experience like that in that way probably would not be able
25:55
to do it because it would feel too real because it's like in
25:58
your body. Where for me the other one was
26:00
what it was more like. So I was like, OK, this I feel
26:03
in my body and this I don't like.
26:04
And then yeah, after we finished doing that video, I was like,
26:06
we're never doing that again. Like I just, I'm never doing
26:08
that again. I think it's fascinating that
26:10
the closer to home it hit for you Jazz, the less enjoyable it
26:14
was. What are you both looking
26:16
forward to the most? It hasn't come up yet.
26:19
I'm not looking forward to it. I'm not looking forward to it at
26:21
all. Oh, pegging.
26:22
I'm so excited for pegging. I love pegging.
26:25
I don't enjoy the mirror kink except when I'm pegging someone.
26:28
I've had some bad experiences, like I get 2 in my head and I
26:30
don't enjoy it but you put a strap on on me, bend someone
26:34
over in front of me and let me watch myself in the mirror.
26:37
Then that makes sense actually. Jazz.
26:39
I don't know if you really like the mirror kink, think it might
26:42
be like this. Might be an add on for you.
26:44
Then you could be blindfolded if that's gonna.
26:47
Help. So excited.
26:49
I'm so excited for it. I like, cannot wait.
26:52
I don't actually think going into it, I'm gonna enjoy it a
26:55
lot because I'm like a very submissive person.
26:58
So I think I'm probably not gonna enjoy it.
27:00
For me, I'm probably excited about experiencing a prostate
27:03
orgasm because like, guys can orgasm four different ways and
27:07
that's probably the only one I haven't experienced.
27:09
So I'm excited to see what that is like, but I'm not excited for
27:13
the actual act of it for it to happen.
27:15
OK, Oh, there's a lot to unpack here.
27:17
I was just so excited, Jazz, for your experience that I got a
27:20
little overzealous because I'm like, oh, it's going to be
27:23
great. Starting with you, Jazz, you
27:24
said you're more submissive. Is this gonna be the first time
27:27
you play a dominant role in the kink challenge?
27:31
No, we did chastity, so that was a very dominant role.
27:33
No, but you still took over that.
27:35
You caved. Yeah.
27:37
True. I was gonna say I'm like, this
27:39
is 1 where you're not gonna be able to like quote UN quote
27:41
cave. You're going to be like very,
27:44
oh, maybe there is one. We've done like so many so far.
27:47
It's a little the first time I've been dominant in our sexual
27:50
life, but I definitely may be feeling it's the first.
27:53
I think real dominant role that you've played, like there's
27:56
dominant prospects that you have where you're like, oh, I really
27:59
wanna go down and you're so like, sit the fuck down.
28:02
But like this dominant role where you're completely in
28:05
power, I think would be the first time.
28:07
Yeah, it probably would be, to be honest.
28:09
There's flexibility in it. You could also just play it as a
28:12
top who wants to give him pleasure through it if that felt
28:16
more comfortable. We're going that as well.
28:18
And you're like, there's so many people that have offered us
28:21
sound really bad. There's so much money to do it.
28:23
Yeah, and we've just not done it because we're like, we're doing
28:25
it on the King challenge. Like just wait for the king
28:27
challenge. And they're like, no, I will
28:29
give you so much money. We're like, no, yeah, I'm.
28:31
Like why are my Bros out to get me?
28:34
So many people are trying to get us doing it early.
28:36
It's So what? It is why.
28:37
Yeah, it's. Like then you might enjoy it.
28:40
True. I think like there is definitely
28:42
from what I'm understanding and the conversations that we're
28:45
having, it's very much something that guys do a lot more than
28:49
they want to let on. And as long as you're willing to
28:52
take it slow, I think it can be really enjoyable for both
28:55
people. I think it's just like anything
28:56
when it comes to anal, yeah, it's like it's not a race.
28:59
But I can understand being penetrated.
29:02
Women are really used to it, right?
29:03
We sort of take it for granted that that's what happens if you
29:06
want to engage in intercourse. I can understand how, Ben,
29:10
that's going to be a totally new experience for you.
29:12
But did you say you can orgasm in four different ways?
29:15
Guys can do their own version of Kegels, which separates the
29:19
pelvic and abdominal muscles. And if you can trigger them the
29:22
right moment when you ejaculate, the orgasm is much bigger and it
29:26
actually ripples onto different muscles in your body.
29:28
So it's like essentially different types of orgasms that
29:31
doesn't necessarily have to be ejaculatory.
29:33
And it's all about timing and being able to separate the
29:36
muscles at the right time. So you've got like your standard
29:39
ejaculatory orgasm that every guy experiences.
29:42
But if you're able to separate the pelvic and abdominal muscle,
29:45
you're able to get like a buzzing effect through your abs
29:48
in the abdominal area and then again through your muscles
29:51
covering your. And that's a really good one.
29:54
It's kind of like, you know, when women explain their orgasm
29:57
is like like a wave where it like very intensifies and slows
30:01
down and intensifies again, very similar to that, but in
30:04
different parts of the body. And it's not something that's
30:06
very much taught for men in any way, shape or form.
30:08
And I remember coming across at once on the Internet and I'm
30:11
like, now I've got to test this. So I used to just walk around
30:14
doing kegels for like days and days and days and days and days
30:17
and days and days. I managed to make it happen.
30:19
I was like, oh, this is a game changer.
30:22
How were you doing kegels? Because the way I describe a
30:25
kegel is like how you'd stop yourself from peeing as a woman.
30:29
You squeeze. Same thing.
30:30
Exact same thing. Yeah, it's it's the same thing,
30:33
but instead I like you feel it in the Gooch.
30:36
That's the best way to explain it.
30:38
Yeah, you do the whole kegel like stop yourself from peeing
30:42
and like cleanse that muscle. You get like I get like a pins
30:45
and knee, not a pins and knees like a tingly feeling in my
30:47
Gooch. So I know that's like when I'm
30:49
tensing that muscle. It is the perennium.
30:51
So that's where you feel it, which I mean honestly is where
30:54
we feel it too. OK, so that counts as three out
30:57
of the four and then the 4th is the property.
30:59
Orgasm, yeah. Yeah.
31:01
Have you done fingers up there? Yeah.
31:04
No should do that before you do painting.
31:05
Yeah, I would be open to trying that first before you sticking.
31:10
Probably gonna be a good idea. I think it's a good idea because
31:15
at least then you get acquainted with what you're trying to
31:18
stimulate with a scrap on. Yeah, to be honest, I think
31:22
before we even get there, we'll probably try something like that
31:25
first because it just makes sense.
31:26
Again, it's all like about safety and creating that space
31:30
and communication that's probably you don't want to.
31:32
I mean, nothing wrong about jumping right in the deep end.
31:34
We, you know, hurt. They prepping me first in this
31:37
month I do because we prepped me for like months prior to doing I
31:40
know so we're probably gonna need to do the same thing that.
31:43
Is wonderful. I'm also used to like here, put
31:45
this bud plug in for 10 minutes. I like doing, it's like a form
31:51
of care as well, because then like I can like be in control of
31:55
warming you up and making sure you're all good.
31:57
I don't know, there's like that care element to it that I enjoy
31:59
as well. I.
32:00
Love it. It's so romantic and I think
32:02
that people forget that all of this is very loving.
32:04
Like King has a bad rap, BDSM has a bad rap.
32:07
Awkwardly segueing this into people, We love your families.
32:12
You're pretty public about what you do.
32:14
I know that some of your family knows, some don't.
32:17
I'd love to talk about that. Like how did you even bring it
32:19
up? So I was the Bachelor in
32:21
Australia and I hadn't only fans during that time and I didn't
32:25
have it active, but I just had one there.
32:28
My family had no idea. They didn't know anything about
32:30
it. Like it was a very secret thing
32:32
that no one knew about. When I was on the show, there
32:35
was this girl that me and her just spotted heads like she was
32:38
very, very old human being. And I'm also not somebody that
32:41
like very nice until I get very mad and then I'm just mad.
32:46
And she was just awful. Like she was such a bad person.
32:49
Anyway, she overheard one of the girls talking about early fans
32:51
and they were like, does anybody have 1?
32:53
And I was like, oh, I've had one before.
32:55
So she added it on the TV show. Yes, she added it.
32:58
And I was like, oh, OK, like, surely not gonna put it online.
33:01
Like, this is done before. Like, could be fine.
33:03
And then I gotta call, like, maybe two weeks before the show
33:06
aired to be like, tell the people that you wanna know
33:09
before 'cause it's gonna be on the promo.
33:11
And like, you need to make sure people know.
33:14
I have pills, so I'm glad that they told you to tell people
33:18
because I'm sure you signed documents that meant they didn't
33:21
have to tell you to tell people. No, they didn't have to like,
33:24
let me know at all. So that's the.
33:26
Decent thing they did for you. Yeah, thankfully.
33:29
And no, I'm not saying it's right, jazz, just that like, I'm
33:32
surprised that they did tell you.
33:34
I'm actually shocked they did too to be honest because I
33:36
remember being like please like please let me know prior so I
33:39
can like talk to my family about it.
33:41
So I think maybe 2 days for eggs.
33:43
I'm really, really don't want to do it.
33:45
We weren't even dating at this point.
33:46
I'm pretty sure he was kind of over.
33:48
And then I told my sister, and she was like, OK, that's fine.
33:52
Like, all right. She's like, we have to tell dad.
33:54
And I'm like, yeah, I know. I really don't want to.
33:55
She's like, no, like, you have to tell him.
33:57
She's like, he'll be fine. Like, his main thing is he's
33:59
gonna be worried about your safety.
34:01
And like, obviously he's older. So, like, this is, like, not
34:04
part of their generation. And they don't understand it.
34:06
And the biggest thing in the show is that they really honed
34:09
in. I think they're trying to get me
34:10
to cry. They were like, oh, like, your
34:11
dad's not gonna love you anymore.
34:13
Hey, like, he's not gonna love if he finds out.
34:15
And I was like, I don't know, maybe he won't.
34:17
Yeah. And then I went and told him it
34:20
was like really hard to get it out.
34:21
And I was like, look, at this time, I wasn't doing anything
34:24
crazy on this. I was like, I don't really do
34:25
anything apart from like nude shoots.
34:26
Like that's kind of it. I was like, the reason I do it
34:29
is because, like you've always told us from kids, like, treat
34:32
everybody the same. Don't treat anybody differently.
34:34
Like treat the CEO the same as you treat the genital.
34:36
Like don't be that person. And I was like, and I really
34:39
found as I got older, like women are that person that gets
34:42
treated differently. And, you know, I don't want to
34:45
be the person. So that's treating other people
34:46
differently. So I want to be that person that
34:48
can do this. And he was kind of understanding
34:50
of it. He didn't really say much, but I
34:52
did say, I was like, you know, they told me that you weren't
34:54
going to love me if you found out.
34:56
And his reaction was sort of like, well, that's fucking
34:58
ridiculous. And I was like, oh, OK.
35:00
I didn't really say anything else.
35:01
And I was like, I'm going to leave and leave you with this
35:02
information and I'm going to go home and like, give me a call if
35:05
you want. And then, yeah, he called me
35:06
maybe once I got home and was just like, I'm sorry if it made
35:10
you feel like you couldn't tell me.
35:11
I't just in an older generation. Like, I'll get it.
35:13
I'll understand, understand it. Like, don't worry about it.
35:15
He's like, whoever said that I'm not gonna love you anymore?
35:17
Like they're fucking idiot. Like, of course I'm going to
35:19
very sweet fast. But now I think he's seen that
35:23
we do more than I had. Yeah.
35:25
So now it's like a bit more of an awkward conversation where
35:28
like if we go to family events, they'll bring it up and they'll
35:30
be like, oh, your Instagram's like disgusting.
35:33
Like your tick tock's so gross. Like, why are you guys talking
35:35
about this? This is like so disgusting.
35:36
And I'm like my parents, my dad, my mum, my sister's not so much.
35:41
Sometimes mom and dad would be like, yeah, that's so gross.
35:43
Like a couple of you guys talk about that.
35:45
But I'm like, OK, that's really me.
35:48
I understand though. OK, So yeah, you went from The
35:51
Producers or The Bachelor telling you your father's not
35:54
going to love you anymore because your only fans exist,
35:58
despite them having no actual, like, backing for that.
36:01
They just wanted to make you cry.
36:02
Yeah, to get a reaction. Out of me.
36:04
Fast forward, you tell your dad and he's like, I'm sorry you
36:06
felt you couldn't tell me. It's absolutely ridiculous that
36:10
you would experience that and now it's just a little so out in
36:13
the open. Are they following your
36:15
Instagram? I think because I've blocked
36:17
them, please do not watch this. It's like that thing where
36:20
you're like you just don't watch it if you don't want to know.
36:22
My dad wants to know he will find out TikTok and watch our
36:25
videos and then get upset about it.
36:27
Or I'm pretty sure he's found out Twitter which is.
36:30
Awful. OK, but he hasn't watched only
36:32
fans as far as you know. I hope not.
36:34
I think if I found out and he had subscribed I would never
36:38
talk to my family again. I'd be like that is such like.
36:41
Why are you so weird to do that? Yeah, I'd be like done.
36:45
I can't do it anymore. I don't think he has.
36:48
I don't think he's that silly. But he does actively watch our
36:51
staff to then be like this. What's on your Twitter that's
36:55
different than Instagram like? That's where we really been
36:59
Jasmine sucking my Dick. Yeah, but like there's like
37:02
emojis over it, so it's fine. Like, yeah.
37:04
But it's very. Great.
37:06
Yes, it's all. It's offensive, but like my dad,
37:09
you would be out and know. Surely you have people also
37:12
finding your Instagram organically?
37:14
Yeah, a lot of family friends or like people that we're friends
37:18
with will bring over their friends and their friends will
37:20
be like, wait the fuck? We'll follow you on social
37:22
media. And we're like, oh, OK.
37:24
Or like friends that we have that we don't really talk to
37:26
about it, we'll find it and be like, wait, what the fuck?
37:29
And we're like, oh, yeah, by the way, like this is what we do.
37:32
We don't really talk about it with our friends.
37:34
Like unless they bring it up, we don't really talk about it
37:37
because. Like we have multiple
37:38
businesses, so like this is the biggest thought about income and
37:42
it's the thing that we're most passionate about, but we don't
37:45
make it our identity either. If you know, you know, if I have
37:48
questions, we're very happy to talk about it, but we're not
37:50
like this is who we are. If people ask us like we run
37:54
marketing agencies, we have a genuine marketing agency.
37:56
Then we have a of management agency as well where we help
37:59
other creators do what we've done, but create longevity in
38:03
what they do. Because like a lot of only
38:04
offense creators do it for the act of making money, but like
38:07
we'll help you build a brand. So this is like really long
38:11
term. So if people ask us like, Oh
38:13
yeah, we're just self-employed. We've run marketing agencies.
38:15
And like, sometimes I'm like, we do social media and they're
38:17
like, OK, interesting. People find it though.
38:20
Like if you're on Facebook or something, they'll find it
38:23
through Reels and then they'll tag you.
38:24
But most of my friends are really supportive.
38:26
Like anybody that's found it. I mean, again, if a friend
38:29
wasn't supportive, I'd be like, all right, then like you're just
38:32
kind of out of that circle. But every friend that we have
38:34
that one knows about it is super, super supportive.
38:37
My best friend of like 15 years. Does our fans like post on
38:40
family for us? That's awesome.
38:42
Well having open minded friends is really important.
38:44
I always feel like I can't get along with people anymore who
38:48
are closed off to this. What advice could you give to
38:52
couples who want to start this or who are early on in their
38:56
journey of only fans together? Or even just content creation in
38:59
general, like sharing their relationship on social media.
39:02
And this is like what I say to anybody, like any creator that
39:04
we manage or talk to. I'm like First off, always make
39:09
sure that this is linked you 1000% want to do because it is
39:12
not just a you know? In your career.
39:14
Yeah, it's not like you jump in and do it and then you can jump
39:18
out. It can follow you.
39:19
Like people absolutely can take screenshots of it and then take
39:23
it to business. So do whatever they want to do
39:24
with it. You, they have to be so sure in
39:27
yourself that you are comfortable if this ever gets
39:29
leaked because it could, I'm always like, OK, if you, you're
39:32
comfortable with the fact that it could get leaked, you're
39:34
comfortable with your family finding out and you're
39:36
comfortable in what you're doing, then the rest doesn't
39:38
really matter. Like if you're comfortable with
39:40
what you're doing, then the noise and the hate and all that
39:42
kind of stuff won't even bother you.
39:44
Like it'll be completely fine. So definitely make sure that
39:46
you're comfortable with that and feel authentic.
39:49
I think people are really sick of life and it's goes for
39:51
conjugation and only fans. Like people are so sick of
39:53
overproduced content, fake content that like it's feeling
39:57
real is going to be the best thing that you could ever do.
39:59
And we don't have fancy crazy equipment for only fans where
40:02
you just fill with our bones. And suspend holding it or it
40:05
could be in the corner. Like we don't have anything
40:07
crazy. And I think it's been the best
40:09
thing that we've ever done because I'm not like an
40:11
Instagram model that has like a stick thing body or anything
40:14
like that. And like, you're not an
40:15
Instagram guy that has like an insane.
40:17
Dead body. And everybody like, we just love
40:19
those people and like we're not going to try to be those people
40:21
because we're just not. And I think for majority of
40:24
people that's going to work and really go in their favour.
40:27
And some people like they have that body, like they have that
40:31
like real like Instagram body naturally.
40:33
And it's like, cool, then like that's your thing as well.
40:35
Like just go and do that. You can't.
40:37
Be authentic with who you are and what you want to create.
40:39
Don't try and do something you don't want to do because it will
40:41
come through. I think content creation as
40:43
well, like our thing that I've always said is like our
40:46
relationship will come first. And if you're a couple content
40:48
creator, be prepared for people to pick every part of your
40:51
relationship apart and like, be OK with that because as much as
40:55
we make jokes about the whole Reddit thing and like whatever,
40:57
like it can affect you. Like, it absolutely can't affect
40:59
your relationship if people are crapping on it or I don't,
41:02
don't, no. It doesn't affect me.
41:04
I have more anxiety, but I probably get more affected by
41:06
it. But like even for the sense if
41:08
you guys are having a bad day or having a fight and you're a
41:11
content creator, you're getting messages like I'll be in the
41:13
corner because we've had a fight or like something's happened.
41:16
We've had a disagreement. I'm like pissed off at Ben.
41:18
And then comments are just coming through being like, I
41:20
love Ben. Ben so sweet.
41:21
Ben's the sweetest, Ben so great.
41:22
I'm like right now Ben's now fault.
41:24
Or people like, you know, picking on you or they're
41:26
picking on your partner and then you kind of really get
41:29
emotionally charged with it. But at the same time, whatever
41:33
people think, as long as it's not true, doesn't matter.
41:36
I'm just kind of keep doing your own thing.
41:38
As long as you're not hurting or harming anybody really is fine.
41:41
And I think probably go for the long haul.
41:43
Like it took us two years. Yeah, like it's not, you're not
41:46
going to become wealthy overnight.
41:48
You may not even become wealthy at all because you just got to
41:50
get really lucky with the piece of content that just like
41:53
absolutely launches your platforms.
41:56
But yeah, if you're doing it to get quick, Rich.
41:58
I think it's the wrong reason to do.
41:59
It I also agree. I think it's the.
42:01
For a reason to do it. I mean, doing it for money is
42:03
not a bad thing at all. I know a lot of people that are
42:05
in the industry for money, and that's so fine.
42:08
But doing it to get rich really quickly, I think you're going to
42:11
one, your mental health is really going to suffer because
42:13
you're going to tie the way you look with the money you make.
42:16
And if you don't make money quickly and you think you're
42:18
going to, then your mind's going to be like, well, maybe I'm not
42:20
attractive enough when. Yeah, In reality, it takes
42:24
months and months and months to make money on indie fans, these
42:27
agencies that go out there and they're like, you can make
42:29
$20,000 in your first month. It's like, so fake.
42:31
It's just not how it happens. But what you look like isn't
42:34
going to determine how much you make.
42:35
You can be the most beautiful girl in the world and you still
42:38
very only make $100. But that doesn't mean that
42:40
you're the most beautiful like that.
42:42
You're not the most beautiful girl.
42:43
In the world, it doesn't diminish what you bring to the
42:45
world or your own value. Exactly.
42:48
Which I think is really hard to like separate.
42:50
Some are based on what you look like in only.
42:53
I think for us, we're in a very unique position where it's based
42:55
on what we do online. So that's what really drives the
42:58
traffic. But when it used to be me and
43:01
like just me and me being an attractive girl, my self worth
43:05
was like only if I made money on any offense or only if a video
43:09
did really well. Then I thought I was really
43:10
attractive and then I felt good about myself.
43:12
And it was this spiraling cycle that's really, really hard to
43:15
get out of. Yeah, it sounds.
43:16
I mean, that sounds really hard to get out of when it's real
43:19
personal and vulnerable sharing a lot of yourself.
43:23
Yeah, But I think it's a really fun industry to get into, but
43:25
just make sure that you're in it for the long haul.
43:28
And like, you're going to go through those dips of, you know,
43:31
people not caring about what you do and, you know, the algorithm
43:34
changing and then you're having not many views or, you know, not
43:38
making money for a few months. It's all gonna come and go.
43:40
You gotta do it for the right reasons and if you can get past
43:43
that whole get money, get rich quick thing and just do it
43:45
'cause you love doing what you do.
43:47
I think successful innately follow those who do it for the
43:51
get rich quick aspects and they hit those slumps.
43:54
It's very hard to kind of push through.
43:56
And then that really determines whether you are going to be
43:58
successful in that space or not. So you're really going to have
44:00
that grit and grind to want to keep doing what you do.
44:03
So if you've got a purpose behind it outside of just money,
44:06
it's going to be a lot easier. Yeah.
44:08
Oh, that's really good advice. It's a marathon, not a Sprint.
44:10
Yeah, laundering it like a Sprint. 100% it's going to take
44:13
a long time. Like people see those girls that
44:16
like pop up overnight and it's like they probably didn't pop
44:18
over overnight. They probably have been working
44:20
on this for years. And and you play into the of
44:23
like, yes, I'm an overnight success.
44:24
Not only that, like something that we found out now that we've
44:27
stepped into the management side of stuff with only fans is
44:30
agencies have accounts with heaps and heaps and heaps and
44:33
followers and they recycle them for the girls.
44:36
So like creators that actually own their accounts.
44:38
So when they leave, they just replace that account with
44:41
somebody else's face and they start with like 10/20/30
44:46
thousand followers to start with.
44:47
So yeah, that. Industry is, yeah, I could go on
44:50
for so long about how bad that industry is, but I can't.
44:55
So these are some of the tricks of the trade.
44:58
To. Create buzz.
45:00
This is helpful for me to even just knowing that is helpful for
45:03
me to not for me it's Instagram and TikTok and that's how I get
45:08
clients as a coach, like for a sex and relationship coach.
45:12
But even I have that like there's a lot of competition in
45:14
this space and you feel like, oh, that was such a good idea.
45:16
Why didn't I think of it or why am I not getting ahead like
45:19
that? All right, it's a lot of one
45:21
because it's like, well, so just people probably stole it and not
45:23
stole it. They like took inspiration from
45:25
somebody else and then you so. Much.
45:28
Yeah. People are not reinventing the
45:31
wheel. They're often just sort of
45:33
borrowing, tweaking a little and releasing.
45:35
And you, you know, you gotta take everything with a grain of
45:38
salt. So what's next for you guys?
45:41
You've sort of conquered only fans.
45:42
You've conquered Instagram. Where's the next frontier?
45:46
There's a few, to be completely honest, like YouTube definitely
45:49
won so that we can start making more long form content and have
45:54
deeper conversations around the stuff because the videos we make
45:56
are only like 10 minutes long, but then we have to edit them to
45:59
like a minute 40. It would be really nice for you
46:01
to have these conversations as a long form topic.
46:04
We have something coming out soon ish, probably within like
46:08
the next seven months. Oh yeah, what are we doing?
46:12
I love Ben's face. Like really, Tell me more.
46:15
What have we done? We can't put it online yet
46:17
because we still like in the production point.
46:20
That makes total sense. I love your videos, but even I'm
46:23
smart enough to know that wasn't the beginning and end of the
46:25
conversation, that 90 seconds of Instagram clip.
46:29
So I'm excited to see more. I also just think it's really
46:32
helpful and healthy for people to see what real relationships
46:35
look like and what real conflict and conflict resolution looks
46:38
like. Because it's almost like sex.
46:40
It looks different for everyone and one works for one couple
46:42
might not work for the other, but seeing it and normalizing it
46:46
is good for everyone. I think so like, and that's kind
46:48
of what we're really excited to do.
46:50
Like, we've been on the cusp of wanting to do like a podcast for
46:52
a really long time between the two of us, and we get asked a
46:56
lot about it and we're always like, that's.
46:58
Right. Yeah, it's gonna pull a tree
46:59
around. But we also just moved into the
47:01
house that we like, OK, We could actually do it in this house.
47:03
Like, it's quite easy to film content here.
47:05
So that's definitely the next big.
47:08
We're really excited about it. Yeah.
47:11
Yeah, All right. Awesome.
47:12
I'm so excited about it. I would love if you had a
47:14
podcast. I would add it to my list
47:16
immediately. I can't get enough of you both.
47:19
So if anyone else is new to or wants to follow, check out
47:24
Instagram Ben and Jazz. That's Jas.
47:28
And from there you can follow many other links to all of their
47:31
other platforms. Thank you so much.
47:33
Thanks. For having us, this is a bit
47:34
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