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Off the Bench London - Episode 4 · Off the Bench - London

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You are now tuned in to Off The Bench London,
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with your host, Malcolm Malcolm -Noah, and Scott
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Coleman, at the Clubhouse on 100 Kellogg Lane.
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Here we are. Episode four. Episode four. It looks
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like episode nine, though. That was kind of cool,
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though, right? Yeah. We'll get there one day.
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True, true. Hello, how was your week? So far,
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my team hasn't lost yet. So far? So we're looking
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up. So far, you're not wrong. I'm a little bit
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more positive this week because they haven't.
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Nothing bad's happened to us. It's true, it's
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true. But the night is young. The night is young.
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Yes, it is. Yes, it is. It's Monday night. Every
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Monday here at Clubhouse. We've got Off the Bench
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London shooting in the corner. We've got... Cheap
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beer. We got half -price wings. And we got booths
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just like this so you can rent out and watch
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the game. $150. A couple pitchers of beer, some
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nachos. Seems like a great deal. I can't complain.
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This is great. And obviously, if you're here
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today, you have a chance to win a Borough jersey,
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which I kind of like this setup a little bit
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more. So if we have a guest, we might have to
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get another chair and do it again. Yeah, we'll
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figure that out. This is a pretty good setup
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so far. Like, week four, we're getting there.
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We have a football here. Like, you know, it's
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getting there. You know what I mean? It's progress.
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Every week is a work in progress. I like it.
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Four episodes deep. Three in three minutes. Right?
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One of the few things I want to talk about today,
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you know, since we are a sports podcast right
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now, and eventually we'll spread out more than
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just football and so forth. I've noticed over
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the past few years that the way we watch football
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and appreciate football has changed dramatically.
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And I'll get that into the point. It's like fantasy
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football, FanDuel, MGM. Oh, it's huge. Sports
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interaction. You know, if you guys want to send
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us a sponsorship, we'll get you on. We already
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got Clubhouse, right? Yeah. With all those platforms
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to make football more entertaining, are we taking
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away from the game or are we actually elevating
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the game? Because now people are just watching
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for their bets or they're invested into the game.
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What's your opinion on that so far? See, I feel
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that. I'm not going to lie. I got three fantasy
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football leagues. I got six. Yeah, you got six.
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It gets at it, and honestly, sometimes it's exhausting
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trying to keep up. That's why you've got to find
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some people that know what they're talking about
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so you can bounce ideas, because we have differing
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opinions on a lot of things. Sometimes it's very
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similar. Sometimes someone will mention, like,
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oh, I completely forgot about that guy. But,
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yeah, with betting on games and stuff and fantasy,
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you end up paying attention to, like, Those games
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you never thought you would have paid attention
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to. So it's huge. I feel like it does also take
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away from the football purist in people, though.
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Because then you're like, have you ever been
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watching an Eagles game and been like, man, I
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hope the Eagles get scored on right here. I want
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them to still win, but the other guy I'm playing
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has the Eagles defense. Yes. Yeah, it's kind
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of a crapshoot that way, where you're just like,
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you want to draft all your own players, but at
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the same time, in your heart, you're like, I
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know there's better players sometimes. True,
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true. Like, I got one league that's kind of letting
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me down. I was like, I had the first pick, and
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I was like, I'm taking Jamar Chase. He's my man.
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And you know what? Now it would have been better
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if I had to just let it be. So you'd probably
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be having a better year. It's true. It's those
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tangibles where you get fantasy. Like last year,
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everyone took Christian McCaffrey. And then before
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the season started, he was injured for half the
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year. Now we have Jamar Chase this year. Everyone
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drafted him or Justin Jefferson. Well, both their
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quarterbacks got injured. Well, one of their
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quarterbacks was good, and the other one actually
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got injured. Yeah. Well, still. But, I mean,
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actually, we'll talk about it, but Carson Wentz
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actually put up, like, some decent numbers. Fantasy
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-wise, yes. Aside from the interceptions. Yep,
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yep. But, like, he had, like, 350 yards. So,
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like, that's good for receivers. Mind you, a
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lot of that was garbage time and one big random
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plays, but still. But, like, when we're talking
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about, like, these platforms, do you think, like,
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it's also helping men get women into sports?
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Kind of. Because... So, here's the way... The
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way I got into fantasy football was basically...
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I always grew up watching lots of sports. Yeah.
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All that. But... I honestly didn't watch, like,
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a ton of football. Like, I knew what was going
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on a little bit, but I didn't pay a ton of attention,
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didn't know all the details. And then we started
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watching it a little bit more with buddies, and
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they were like, hey, do you want to join the
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Fantasy Football League? I was like, I have no
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idea how to do that. No idea. First couple years,
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terrible. I was terrible. But fantasy football
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is by far the best way to get into it because
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you pay attention. You get an overview of everything.
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Yep. You have, like, nine, ten guys you're really
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paying attention to. Those are the ones you're
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actively watching every week. And then it's as
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opposed to, like, baseball. basketball, hockey,
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you set your lineup once a week. Well, technically
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you do in fantasy football. Yeah, that's what
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I mean. Fantasy football, it's once a week. It's
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week one, week two, week three. Whereas basketball...
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It can be daily. It's week one, week two, week
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three, but this guy has three games this week.
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This guy has... Two games this week. This has
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four. You never know. It's actually kind of annoying
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when you... You need to pay attention every single
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day. Like, that becomes like a real religion,
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like fantasy baseball. It's just when there's
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140 or 160 -something games a year. You're going
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to set your lineup at half in baseball. You've
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got doubleheaders, and there's too many games.
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That does get a little ridiculous. At NBA, it
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sucks because it's not like a set schedule. I
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don't know. It's weird when I overall look at
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it. But then also the reason why I'm asking this
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question is how can we get more people intrigued
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into women's basketball right now? Because, you
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know, the whole controversy, they want more money.
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But technically, there's only one real person
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who's generating revenue for them. And I'm looking
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at the platform because we pay attention to CFL
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just a little bit. It's getting close to the
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time where it's the end of the season. We start,
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you know, dabbling, looking at it. But it's no
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NFL, right? We have the drama. We have, like,
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the WWE aspect. Like, last night, we were all
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watching the Sunday night game for the drama.
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And paying attention to the guys sitting in the
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box. Right? Right? Or a few years ago, people
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were paying attention to football because of
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Taylor Swift. Those people I don't respect, but
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that's a different story. You know? No offense
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to the Taylor Swift crowd, but, like, you know
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what I mean? Okay, but... I know everybody wants
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the WNBA to be like instant success. It never
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will be. No, it honestly, it took NBA forever.
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Exactly. It's going to get there. It's like the
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growth it's had is huge. Like five years ago,
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I couldn't name a single NBA person or WNBA player.
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Yep. Not one. Now, Angel Reese, Kaitlyn Clark.
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There's actually more than that, too. But, like,
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those are, like, the two that came into the league
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that got drafted that kind of set it off. And
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then Kaitlyn Clark showed us that she was actually
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good. And Angel Reese, a rebound queen, because
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she rebounds her own basket. Rebound queen? Yeah.
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But she only rebounds her... That's what she
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named her shoe. And I would not have known that
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five years ago. It's true. It's true. No way.
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But when you look at it, it's like I want women's
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sports to be at the same level as men's sports.
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But looking at the construct of everything, betting
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is not helping them the same way. Because I'm
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looking at it like I pay attention more now to
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the NFL, NBA, hockey, baseball because of betting.
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Because I'm invested in that. I'm trying to do
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the same with the WNBA, but it's not televised
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the same way. It's true. There's been a lot more
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games televised than there has in the past. That's
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what I mean. It's getting there. And the more...
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You know when they're like, any publicity is
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good publicity? Well, yes. As long as it's not
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toxic within. True, but it's turning heads. Yes.
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The more heads are turning, the more you're going
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to be like, oh, these two are playing tonight.
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Let's watch that. And then they'll go tune in
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to watch Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese play,
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but one of them will be sitting out, and now
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you're watching a whole bunch of other people
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play, and now you might actually pay more attention.
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I feel like it's also kind of like... Kind of
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like women's tennis. Women's tennis is huge.
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It was bigger when Venus was around. It's because
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they were so dominant that either you were watching
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them trying to be successful or you were on the
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other side wanting to beat them. There's a lot
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of things like that. Because there isn't the
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same amount of power, it's not like... Take tennis,
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for example. Men's tennis, they're just absolutely
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smashing it. Women's tennis, they're smashing
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it, but it's not as hard. So it's more like a
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chess match. It's a technique game. That's why
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I watch women's soccer. Because unfortunately,
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in men's soccer, across the board... We know
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the Neymar where you get touched, you roll 10
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yards, hoping for the penalty call, where, like,
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women are destroying it with technicality, power,
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finesse. It's a fantastic game to watch, and
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I'd rather watch that, as well as the new league
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that just came around, the PWHL, the Women's
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Hockey League. It's actually kind of putting
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the men's hockey to shame. Like, those are doing
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very well. They are doing really well. But, like...
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those women are all starting at the same time.
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The women's NBA has been around for a while,
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and Kaitlyn Clark ended up putting on the map,
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and all the players there are also jealous that
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Kaitlyn Clark got to that level. So then they're
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being toxic within each other, and now they're
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asking for more money. I'm like, you can't ask
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for more money when you are... You're like, not
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yet. You're not... Well, it's not even that.
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It's like... You're not respecting the reason
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why we are paying attention to you guys. It is
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because of Kaitlyn Carter. But now, tell us your
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story and we'll start following you. Because,
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like, right now, the WNBA is in the Magic Johnson
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and Larry Bird era. But they're ruining it internally.
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And, like, betting on it is one thing. But it's,
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like, don't just, like, try to be, like, aggressive
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to hurt somebody. Because now... If I see you
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guys are doing that to yourselves, I'm not investing
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my money in betting in that to pay attention
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to your games because betting is an investment
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in my eyes. Yeah, well, not even that. At the
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end of the day, when people go out there to like,
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I get it, football is a full contact sport. 100%.
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You're trying to take them out. Battle the gladiators.
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But at the same time, injured star players help
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nobody. Thank you. Destiny. Exactly. Right here.
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Helps nobody. How many people are super excited?
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You're like, yes, this season is going to be
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amazing. Everything is going to be good. We're
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going to have a great year. Week two, done. Week
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one, done. We all start the season like Toronto
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Maple Leaf fans. This is our year. That's why
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the NBA is doing so much or the NFL is doing
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so much for player safety. Because a star player
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sitting on the sideline, it doesn't help anybody.
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And you're not wrong with that statement. But
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I also look at it from this perspective. The
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next man up mentality in football is across the
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board. You never know who's coming right behind
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you to take your spot. And they're not only trying
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to earn their paycheck, but they're also trying
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to earn their recognition and stay on that team.
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For example, look at the Russell Wilson and Jackson
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Dirt. That's a huge example. That's an aging
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Hall of Famer that is just not playing. He's
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bounced around now. He's lost a step and he can't
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admit that he's lost a step. When it comes to
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the players injuring each other, like, especially
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when it comes to, like, WNBA and stuff, like,
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when you see them trying to hurt each other,
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they're like, okay, but, like, when you're trying
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to hurt the stars of the league, you're just
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injuring the whole league. Yes. Yeah, because
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now we're not watching, oh, this person's not
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playing? They may be back in three weeks? All
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right, I may not watch the WNBA for three weeks.
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I'll check back in three, four weeks. Yeah, when
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she's back. Yeah. See how she's doing. You're
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100 % correct with that statement. Star players
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do draw investment into anything. How disheartening
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is it when you're like, oh, I want to go to a
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game. It's like with the NBA. Load management.
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Load management stuff. That was so frustrating.
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If you finally have enough money to go to a game,
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you go to a game, and I... Kawhi Leonard sitting
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out. I know that happens a lot. Great example.
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That's why there's some superstars that are like...
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What's his name? Anthony Edwards. He's like,
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I want to play in every single game because there's
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going to... Kobe did the same thing. He's like,
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I'm going hard in every game because this might
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be the only chance someone gets to see me live.
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That's huge. But then when people get injured...
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That's a different story. And then it's next
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man up and all that. Then you see how things
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change. But you were 100 % correct. Star power,
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do draw. Injuries still draw. But when you see
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self -inflicted toxicity... No one's going to
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be as excited to go to a game where you're like,
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well, I know our backup quarterback's playing.
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That should be good. Yeah. Yeah. But... I don't
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know. Maybe betting's not going to fix it. I
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think it's an internal issue that they've got
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to fix. I'm rooting for them. I'm rooting for
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the WNBA because England's doing great with their
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women's Premier League. Now that we're representing
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that in FC26, you can get ultimate teams and
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get the women's cards and people are actually
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paying attention to who those women are. That's
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huge. They're trying to do that to the NBA, but...
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There's always talk about WNBA. I feel like they're
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just rushing it. It needs to happen naturally.
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Yeah. You can't force people to watch. And, like,
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have the WNBA the same time as the NBA. I want
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to be able to watch LeBron James, and then if
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I want to watch a women's game the same day,
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I have the channel to switch right away. But
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women's basketball happens in the summer when
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no one's going to be paying attention to sports.
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Because everyone that... pays attention to sports,
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is outside playing sports. Either playing sports,
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traveling, going on vacation. Say I'm going to
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Mexico or whatever. I'm not going to go and watch
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a game while I'm on vacation. I might be if it's
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in the wintertime and we're all getting together
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and so forth. But yeah, the game's changed dramatically.
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Women, basketball, if you're listening. Just
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change your season to start at the same time
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as the NBA, and you can even do package deals.
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So if tonight is a Lakers game and tomorrow is
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a Sparks game, boom, there's generated revenue
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from people who are naturally going to want to
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watch sports during the wintertime. Yeah. Yeah,
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you got to pump it up internally. I don't know.
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I feel like it just needs to take time. You can't.
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there's no such thing as instant success. True,
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true. And it's going to take time to develop
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the player. In every league, you look at the
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skill levels from 10 years ago. Oh, it's dramatically
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changed. Science has changed the way people play,
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how they rest, how they sweat. It's ridiculous.
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Oh, exactly. But we'll see how it all plays out.
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Over the next few years. Oh, for sure. I'm sure
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it's going to get better. Well, it has to. Yeah.
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Well, I mean, they started, and it was essentially
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just like, oh, yeah, I guess you guys can have
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one, too. And now it's, like, actually on TV.
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Like, they're actually getting deals. Like, we've
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got private jets now. True. Some of them, I think.
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I think every team last year all had a charted
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flight. over to whatever game they needed to
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do. Yeah. They spend a lot of money to generate
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very little, but they did get the return on investment
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back a little bit. So it kind of showed promise.
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And now the players are asking for more money.
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And it's like, slow your roll, develop the league
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a little bit more, because the NBA has been doing
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this for so long that it didn't start overnight.
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It didn't even happen when Jordan was playing.
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Like, we didn't... There's people who cared about
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Jordan. That was the revolutionary that kind
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of started the mentioning of sports and NBA and
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so forth and generating the TV deals because
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everyone wanted to see Chicago and I don't think
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anyone didn't know the championship that's here.
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Oh, they won one, they won two, they won three,
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up to six now. It takes time. Let Kalen Clark
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and Angel Reese, hopefully she fixes her game
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a little bit more. Let them generate the league
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a little bit better. Yeah. to the point where
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it's going to be enjoyable for everyone. A lot
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of it, I find, is once you start getting more
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money involved, more kids are going to be like,
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okay, this is what I want to do. And these college
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athletes have an outlet that you're just like,
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oh, okay, well, I could use the degree that I
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got to... make 120 grand a year, or I could join
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the WNBA and make 300 grand a year. True. Once
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that becomes, once it becomes like an actual,
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actually good paying job, it's going to draw
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more people and more people are going to be wanting
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to do like, that's going to be their life goals.
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Yes. Like I get right right now. For the most
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part, I feel like a lot of it is I'm not doing
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this to change the lives of my entire family
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for generations. It's I'm doing this because
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I just love this game. Yeah, but you're 100 %
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correct. The love for the sport should take over
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the money aspect of it. It does, but the money
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draws in the people. And I don't know, I'd love
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something a lot more if someone was paying me
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double. True, true, true. Sounds crazy, but...
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It's not false, though. It's 100 % correct. We
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do live in that type of world. So... Okay. A
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little bit of a tangent there. Yeah. Pay us more,
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we might do this where you are, you know. We
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love you, Puppets. Oh, for sure, for sure. This
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wouldn't have never happened if it wasn't for
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Clubhouse. So huge shout -out to them. The powerhouse
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beers are great. The environment's amazing. It's
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a good group of people. The staff is always amazing.
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That's true. Talk to your service. That's coming
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to people in the service industry. 100%. Take
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that for what it's worth. All right. So, you
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know, talked about that a little bit. You want
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to talk about football now? Oh, yeah, I guess
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we probably should do that, eh? Yeah. You guys
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do play tonight. So I'm expecting a rebound this
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week compared to last week. Well, it's not going
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to be worse. Well, yeah, the ceiling is a little
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low. Yeah, it's pretty easy to follow up the
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worst game in team history with one that's not
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as bad. But I don't want to speak that into existence.
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Well, you know, it's funny because I did get
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a message today because as we were posting the
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marketing for today, I only posted the Bengals
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-Broncos game, and I didn't mention the two teams
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that are 0 -3 right now, the Jets and the Dolphins.
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That's true. I didn't make a mention, and I did
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get called out. Trent, if you're watching this,
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you may not be, but I'm going to send this to
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you now. I apologize for not posting your fins.
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I'll make sure to do better. He's a Dolphins
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fan. And Dylan, we made a trade on our Fantasy
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Football League. You're not watching. I'll make
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sure you watch next week, though. And we'll have
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something to talk about for you Jets. But, like,
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Thursday night game, Seahawks -Cardinals. 23
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-20. Man, that game was ugly. It was more ugly
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for the Cardinals. It was super ugly. That's
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what I meant. They were completely inept all
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over the field. It's amazing that the Seahawks
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didn't put up a lot more. And then all of a sudden,
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the fourth quarter rolls around and the Seahawks
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are like, yeah, I think we're good here. And
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the Cardinals are like, yeah, I guess we are.
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pro athletes. Let's act like it. That's another
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one that just shows you how much a team loses
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when they lose their star player. I know Kyler
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Murray is their big star player, but James Conner,
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he did so much. He opened up a lot of the revenues
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for the team. They're a run first team, pass
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second. You can kind of see it with Marvis Harris
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because it took him four quarters to warm up.
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Yeah. Right? Dropping passes with the interception.
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But realistically, if you had James Conner, he
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would have opened it up so then Kyle Murray,
25:22
who was a midget, can throw the ball accordingly.
25:24
You can't say that. My apologies. A homunculus.
25:29
He's a homunculus. He's a small human. Sounds
25:32
so much worse. I realize that's a technical definition,
25:35
but it sounds worse. He's a homunculus that can
25:39
barely see over his line. I didn't say that.
25:46
But... In retrospect, we are talking about professional
25:50
athletes. We are not at their levels. We could
25:54
not be any level. Kyler Murray would walk waters
25:57
all over me. I will say that right now. So anything
26:00
you say that's, you know, on that level, you
26:03
know. But, like, I'm comparing pros to other
26:06
pros and seeing, like, the threshold between
26:09
them all. And... Kyler's not elevating that team.
26:14
I think he needs to be traded. He's not helping
26:16
them. The team, I believe he has so much more
26:22
to give. I see his potential. He thinks he has
26:24
so much magic. The Cardinals are holding him
26:29
back. Yeah, but... Because he doesn't necessarily
26:33
have the right weapons. You can see it in the
26:36
body language of Marvin Harrison Jr. He didn't
26:40
really care. Yes, I'm getting a paycheck. It's
26:43
like he's playing football for the sake of playing
26:44
football. Because he knows they're not going
26:46
to win. That's a horrible mentality. But the
26:49
only person who is trying to win is Kyler Murray.
26:53
You can see it with how he's moving and how he's
26:55
doing things. And everyone's letting him down.
26:58
Maybe it's time for him to leave. To find a leader
27:01
to bring that spark back up to that team. Yeah,
27:05
but where would he go? Well, you know what? Every
27:11
year is different. Every team needs different
27:14
things. When you think of it... He's such a different
27:18
quarterback that you can't just... He's not a
27:21
plug -and -play kind of guy. No, no, no. You
27:23
have to scheme around it. He... Miami. Miami's
27:30
a great one. I would say Pittsburgh with that
27:34
philosophy down there. I don't think Pittsburgh.
27:37
But Kyler Murray doesn't have that ego. So he
27:40
would be better than Russell Wilson. And let's
27:44
be honest. Not better than Aaron Rodgers. I feel
27:46
like Aaron Rodgers is better. But also look at
27:47
Justin Fields last year. When he first started
27:50
that season with them, he wasn't necessarily
27:53
the most accurate quarterback. He could run the
27:56
ball, but he wasn't that accurate. You put Kyler
27:59
Murray, who can be accurate and can run the ball.
28:01
you know, it could work out very well in that
28:04
situation if Rodgers retires next year, which,
28:07
you know, at this point, he might. You never
28:11
know. See, I don't know. It's interesting because
28:16
he's such a different, like, he's such a unique
28:21
build for quarterback that, like, you can't,
28:26
like... Okay, so... If you were to replace Kirk
28:35
Cousins, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Gino, like
28:45
all of those, like Jared Goff, they all play
28:51
the same way. Yeah. They're very similar. Yeah.
28:55
They're like, you can switch one out and... Sure,
28:58
some of them are a little bit better than others,
29:00
but you're getting the same style. It's the same
29:04
person, basically, across the board. Game manager.
29:07
Yeah. So, yeah, you're not wrong. Great pocket
29:12
passers, like, yeah. Whereas, like, I feel like
29:14
the only team that could figure out Kyler Murray
29:20
would be, like, the Ravens. Whoa. We'll get to
29:23
that later, then. Yeah. That's another issue.
29:27
Boy, do I love talking about the Ravens when
29:29
they suck. All right. Well, so the Sunday night,
29:35
let's go into it. So, like, Vikings and Steelers,
29:38
that happened in Dublin. Yeah, that was a good
29:41
one. What was an earlier game? DK Metcalf. Okay.
29:47
On my fantasy bench. Because the first four weeks,
29:51
he was doing nothing. See, and this is why we
29:53
pay attention to random games. Right, right.
29:56
Would anyone really? Well, I mean, a lot of people
29:59
probably would have woken up that early to watch
30:01
it. Game started at 9 .30 in the morning. If
30:03
you're a Vikings or a Steelers fan, or if you
30:05
bet legit money on it. Or if you had DK Metcalf,
30:11
Aaron Rodgers, Kenneth Gainwell off the waiver
30:15
wire. Yep. That was crazy. Or if you're watching
30:18
Premier League. And then you're like, these games
30:20
are boring. I'm going to switch over to NFL and
30:22
see what's going on there. Yeah, I want football.
30:23
You're like, I'm looking up football. Oh, this
30:25
is on. Nice. Yeah. But, yeah, you're right. Metcalf
30:30
went off in the first half. Did you see Aaron
30:36
Rodgers rip the salts before? You know you're
30:44
old when you need smelling salts. He literally
30:47
ripped them then immediately threw an 80 -yard
30:52
touchdown. That's the funniest thing ever. It's
30:56
so on brand. Smelling salt. Between that and
31:01
his version of the tush bush, that was hilarious.
31:03
Yes, that he constructed, yes. Just standing
31:05
behind like a general. Like, why was he even
31:10
on the field? Like, at that point, just ghosts.
31:13
Let someone else come on and push. I'm going
31:15
to be honest with you. It's kind of hilarious.
31:18
I'm kind of intrigued with the idea that Aaron
31:22
Rodgers could be a coach in the future. Yeah.
31:27
He might need to take five years off, but he
31:32
could be a coach. I don't know. His ego is the
31:36
biggest problem, and that could also be a good
31:39
thing. if he was a coach. I think his time with
31:43
the Jets probably helped his ego. Yep. It humbled
31:50
him a little bit. It's got to humble you a little
31:53
bit. Plus, honestly, the Steelers is probably
31:55
a good fit because Tomlin doesn't take that pushback.
31:59
It's true. And to be told that we don't want
32:02
you in New York to go to Pittsburgh. And I'm
32:07
not saying he's amazing. But he's adequate. That's
32:11
what I mean. He's, like, at this point, he's,
32:13
I hate to say it, he's over the hill. He's, like,
32:17
not that. Well, he's 40. Yeah. He's almost 40.
32:20
He is 40? He's 40. Oh, yeah, yeah. Ancient. But,
32:26
like, Metcalf is 31. And we're talking, like,
32:29
wide receiver that's almost over that hump. And
32:31
he's 31. Yeah, exactly. It's insane. It's insane.
32:35
Right. Okay. Commanders and Falcons. See, that's
32:40
another one. They've had a bunch of injury problems.
32:44
Mariota, he's starting. Yes, he is. He started
32:49
again this week. I don't know if he's going to
32:50
start next week. I think Daniel should be back
32:53
next week, I believe. They thought he was going
32:55
to be back this week. True, true, true. So we'll
32:58
see. We'll see what happens. And then they lost
33:01
Eckler. Yep. They were shaping up to be a really
33:04
good team. A few random injuries. Like, everyone
33:08
thought it was going to be repeat last year.
33:10
No. I don't know what's going on with the Falcons.
33:13
Like, they're either, like, they are a roller
33:16
coaster. It's either bum or bust. Yeah. Yeah,
33:19
it's just boom or bust. Boom or bust. My apologies.
33:23
Boom or bust. Bum or bust, eh? Yeah, they're
33:26
just bad. Just bad. Yeah. Bunch of bums busting.
33:33
We'll clip that. Pause. Yeah. That just was one
33:43
of the games. The other one that bothered me
33:45
on Sunday was the Chargers and the Giants, though.
33:48
That bothered the hell out of me. I feel like
33:51
they're the Chargers. I'm worried for them right
33:57
now because, well, they do have Harbaugh. The
34:04
culture there is going to be good. 100%. But
34:08
they've had so many injuries on the O -line.
34:12
And they just had Joe Alt go high ankle sprain.
34:15
He's going to be out or at least slow for the
34:18
next few weeks. And, like, they've juggled people
34:22
around. So you've got second, third stringers
34:25
playing positions they're not used to. So it's
34:28
kind of... It's going to be hard for them. Like...
34:33
The last game that they won, who did they play
34:39
last week? Not this, not yesterday, the week
34:42
before. Who did they play again? Who did they
34:44
play again? Broncos. Yeah. Yeah, they beat the
34:47
Broncos. Yeah. But he got popped so many times.
34:52
Like, he got sacked, like, six times. This week,
34:55
same thing. Just instant, like, he's getting
34:58
hit all over the place. He's a big guy, can handle
35:00
it, but... For how long, though? Well, you can't
35:04
make good plays when your quarterback's not standing
35:06
up. Joe Burrow is a good example. Yeah. Took
35:10
him to the Super Bowl. Exactly. But at what cost?
35:13
Yeah. So. I don't know, man. It's going to be
35:18
a rough go for them for the next few weeks. Well,
35:20
here's the thing. I view the Chargers, that game,
35:25
they were playing to their competition. Yeah.
35:29
Like, if it was any other team that was a little
35:31
bit better. they would have elevated. But if
35:34
you're playing to your competition, and we do
35:36
this in soccer. Oh, yeah. When we have a co -ed
35:39
team, we play to our competition. Oh, we know
35:41
you're going to be good. We're going to play
35:43
accordingly. Oh, we think you're going to be
35:44
bad. We'll play accordingly and then get popped
35:47
and then try to level back up. Yeah. And it's
35:49
impossible. It's never going to happen. When
35:52
some of those, like, the Giants have become one
35:55
of those teams that you just look past. If you're
35:58
looking on to the next week, you're like, oh,
36:00
that's our second bye week, like the Carolina
36:02
Panthers. Oh, we're playing them? That's just
36:04
another bye week for us. We'll be there, but,
36:06
like, we're not really taking it serious. Yeah.
36:08
But, like, Malik Nabors got injured. He tore
36:13
his ACL. He's out for the whole year. I don't
36:15
think the Giants have much fight left. They have
36:19
that rookie running back, Skadabo. Yeah. Kim
36:24
Skadabo. Yeah. He is. So, like, there's two kinds
36:29
of running backs. You got your Jameer Gibbs,
36:33
who's that speedy. I'm going to catch it. I'm
36:37
going to cut through. And then you got the crayon
36:41
eaters that are just going to be like a freight
36:45
train. And he just goes, like, he's not even
36:48
that big. He's a small guy, but he just goes
36:50
full on every play, making crazy blocks. And
36:55
you're like, how do you block that? almost to
36:57
the same level. Was he watching only Marshawn
37:01
Lynch highlight tapes? Because what he's doing
37:04
is just... Or like Frank Gore, another great
37:07
example. I'm going to just ram into you. If I
37:11
hit you and you take me down, you take me down.
37:13
If you bounce off, I'm still moving my feet.
37:17
Pacheco does that. Not this year. Then he broke
37:21
his leg and now he hasn't been the same since.
37:24
But... Yeah, no, he's... It's kind of hilarious
37:27
to watch because he's like Kyler Murray's size,
37:30
but just like a brick and just runs directly
37:35
at a wall. Hey, I love it. It's fun to watch.
37:42
That's what football is to me. You have your
37:44
running back, he's just going to run into the
37:46
wall and try to create his own holes. But that's
37:48
why they have expiration dates. Unfortunately.
37:53
You can only run at a wall so many times. Like
37:57
I said, we'll get into that later. Yeah. But
38:01
because there's a certain cat out there that
38:05
I would like to talk about. It's sad to say this
38:10
time in the NFL is coming to a close, but we'll
38:12
get to that when we get to that. Titans and Texans,
38:16
like I said, I'm not watching that. Yeah. I have
38:20
two players that were playing in that game. I
38:26
had Nico Collins and Nick Chubb. Still didn't
38:30
even bother watching it. I was like, I'll catch
38:33
the box scores. You know what's going to happen
38:35
with the game. Cam Ward is a rookie who's learning.
38:39
He's doing his best. Honestly, you know they're
38:43
not going to win a lot. The best they can do
38:45
is keep him healthy to get reps. Get reps, exposure,
38:51
learn, see how fast the game is at this level.
38:55
It's different when you're in college and you
38:59
may be the best person on the field against people
39:04
who are not good at all. Where in the NFL, everyone
39:08
is at a peak level at different points. Yes,
39:12
some are up in the hill. But everyone is hungry.
39:17
Everyone's hungry. Everyone's trying to get a
39:19
paycheck. It's a mix of passion on top of livelihood.
39:25
And when you look at it from that perspective,
39:27
if he can stay healthy and continue moving forward,
39:31
this year may be a wash. Who cares? I hope the
39:34
coach doesn't get fired because now the coach
39:37
is learning his tendencies for next year and
39:40
be like, I need this, this, and this to make
39:42
this perfect. That's how you make your draft
39:45
productive. When you find the piece you need.
39:48
You got this. You have building blocks. Some
39:51
teams like to do it the opposite way. Well, Washington
39:55
got lucky last year because they had a whole
39:57
bunch of vets and then they had the rookie come
39:59
in and he was plug and play. Well, they also
40:02
had a new coaching staff, new owners. But some
40:07
teams like the... Well, like the Steelers, for
40:10
example. They build everything else, and we're
40:14
like, we'll deal with quarterback last. Except
40:16
that doesn't work if you can't find the quarterback.
40:19
True, true. So you just end up going, oh, we'll
40:23
grab this guy, we'll grab this guy, we'll grab
40:25
this guy, and you're not getting the top tier.
40:28
Sometimes you need to have a high draft pick
40:32
and also luck out that the right kid is coming
40:36
up through college at the right time. You're
40:40
not wrong. You're 100 % correct. I have no idea
40:43
where the Bengals would be if Joe Burrow didn't
40:45
land there. No idea. You got me thinking now.
40:53
Who knows? You know what? Shadurah Sanders might
40:59
have been your quarterback this year if that
41:00
was the case. No, no. We've had Joe Burrow for
41:04
like four years. No, no, no. I'm just saying
41:05
in general. you would have been going through
41:08
the whole routine of rookie quarterback, like
41:11
Cleveland, new quarterback every year. Because
41:14
they build everything. They build the defense.
41:15
They're like, oh, we'll deal with that after.
41:17
Yeah. A second thought. But the problem is when
41:21
you go, oh, I'm going to get my star player first
41:23
and build around them. Your star player is going
41:26
to try and play like a star player. And when
41:28
they're the only one, they're just going to get
41:30
reamed every game. But overall. I think you're
41:36
right when you said this off thing. The Texans
41:42
needed this game. They did. It's a confidence
41:45
boost. Especially when you have it on your schedule,
41:49
those games that like the Giants game, confidence
41:54
boost. There's a few other games that was like
41:57
Kansas City. Once we get to that, confidence
41:59
boost. Those games actually can help your season
42:03
move forward. And maybe, like, we're hitting
42:07
a rut. Oh, we finally got it. All right, now
42:09
I'm confident for next week because we can give
42:11
it that fighting chance. Yeah, well, you get
42:14
a lot of those games where, like, this was an
42:18
actual important game for the Texans just because
42:21
you're like, you've got to make those layups.
42:26
Like, the Chargers, like, that was a layup game.
42:30
They looked past it because they've already got
42:33
some Ws. But who did the Chargers really play
42:36
other than Denver to earn that? I mean, they
42:40
did beat the Chiefs. Yeah. Yeah. But that was
42:47
the first game of the season. Yeah, sure. And
42:51
they beat the Raiders. Yeah, but it doesn't take
42:55
much right now. But, like I said, you've got
42:59
to make those layups when you can because it
43:01
doesn't come around. It doesn't come around that
43:04
often. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. I'm sure
43:08
everybody looks at it like you get your schedule
43:11
at the beginning of the year. You start doing
43:13
your predictions. You're just like, we got one,
43:16
two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight wins
43:19
for sure. Three wins, maybe we might go. Our
43:24
window is probably nine and eight to. 11 -6.
43:32
Okay. So you see that, or 8 -6, or 8 -9, or whatever.
43:38
Whatever the math is. But you look at that, and
43:42
then when your team starts losing some of those
43:45
games, like I immediately, as soon as Burrow
43:48
got injured, I looked at the entire schedule,
43:51
and I was like, should win that one, that one,
43:54
that one, that one. Not that one, not that one,
43:57
not that one. Okay, so if he comes back for Christmas,
44:01
best case scenario, we'll have seven wins at
44:08
that point. If he can get us two more wins, we
44:11
could make the playoffs. But when you drop those
44:15
layups... Yeah, you're not wrong. You're 100
44:20
% correct with that statement. You drop those
44:22
layups. All right, so you're going to try to
44:24
do a half court? Yeah, make the easy ones. Make
44:27
the easy ones first, then work your way up. Yeah.
44:31
Not everyone can be Steph Curry. Yeah, everyone
44:34
wants to now, though. All right, so Eagles versus
44:39
the Buccaneers. That game was frustrating to
44:43
watch. I bet on it. I bet on it. What did you
44:47
bet on, that it was going to be hard to watch?
44:50
Stop. No, I bet on it because my buddy, he's
44:55
a huge Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan. He is just like
44:57
out of all the games. What's up, Terry? There
45:02
he is. There he is. All right. Terry, Terry,
45:05
come here for a second. That is a sick jersey.
45:09
Can you post that on camera? Let's do it. Let's
45:13
do it. What's up? Yo, see? There he is. Cheers,
45:19
man. We're everywhere. Hey, you guys are growing
45:22
in this community. Yeah, we're growing. We're
45:24
growing. Shout out to the Bengals. Huge, huge,
45:27
huge. Yeah, that was a hard game to watch. So
45:31
my buddy's a Buccaneers fan. Diehard Buccaneers.
45:33
And he was just like, if there's any game that
45:35
I think my Buccaneers could win for sure, it's
45:42
probably against your Eagles because you guys
45:44
have been shaky all year long. And I was just
45:47
like, well, I'm an Eagles fan. I'm going to take
45:48
that bet. $20. Let's go. And watching that, there
45:52
was points of it, I felt like a repeat of when
45:55
we were playing the Rams. I was like, oh, we're
45:58
going to lose this game right now because Baker
45:59
is hot. And then our defense kept showing up
46:02
and showing up and showing up. And it showed,
46:05
like, the build of Howie Roseman, how he's been
46:08
growing that team from the young aspect that
46:10
our defense kept us in the game. And then our
46:13
offense kind of fell flat in the second half
46:14
to the point where it's so bad that... One of
46:19
our favorite players, AJ Brown, had to post another
46:22
tweet on X. I honestly think he's starting to
46:27
want out. I don't think he cares as much about
46:31
winning as he does actually playing the game.
46:34
And he's not playing. But I don't think he's
46:36
going to leave until the poop hits the fan. Yeah.
46:42
It's at that point. But you can tell he's not
46:45
enjoying the game. Like, yes, the ball got targeted
46:49
to him numerous times. Okay, but what were the
46:52
targets looking like? But they were horrible.
46:54
Yeah. Like, Jalen, come on. You can throw better.
46:57
Yeah, it counts as a target. It was eight feet
46:59
over his head in his direction. Yeah, that was
47:03
a little bit annoying. Like, I don't know. But
47:07
we can't lose him because... That's such a big
47:10
threat. That's the reason the run game worked.
47:12
That's the reason Jalen Hurts can run the way
47:14
he does. Because you have weapons all over everywhere.
47:18
And you have to respect everyone across the board.
47:21
You have to. But then now one person is not happy
47:23
with it. It's like... It's... I don't know. There's
47:27
going to be... It sucks because they're winning
47:31
and they're... I didn't say playing well, but
47:34
they're winning. They're winning the Kansas City
47:37
way. Yeah, it's ugly. Ugly wins, but it's getting
47:40
it done. Yeah. And the fake touch push. Oh, yeah,
47:44
it was good. I liked that. Like, they didn't
47:48
do the tush push at all this week. I feel like
47:51
that was a point they were trying to prove, but
47:54
at the same time, they probably should have.
47:58
Yes. It's funny. The only team that really did
48:02
the tush push was the Steelers, and the team
48:04
that actually does it did the fake. Yeah. So,
48:09
okay. Yeah, but... I don't know. They don't throw
48:14
it enough to the wide receivers. They don't.
48:18
But Baker Mayfield showed up. Like, he is a really
48:24
good quarterback. He's done his time. He's been
48:28
around. He's been to, this is his fourth team.
48:32
Yes, it is. Okay, he's been cut by Carolina Panthers.
48:38
Yeah. And now look at his career. Cut by the
48:43
Browns. No. Cut by the Panthers. Yeah. Went to
48:47
the Rams. As a loan. Yeah, as a loan. Showed
48:52
out for them. Earned himself a contract. Went
48:56
to Tampa. Found his new home. Now he's crushing
48:58
it. Yeah. So you can't get mad. No. He's done.
49:01
He's a fucking sick guy. Yeah. Yeah. So, and,
49:06
like, that new wide receiver that he has, Ibuka.
49:10
Yeah, man. You know what? Like you guys lost
49:13
Mike Evans, but you guys haven't lost the beat.
49:16
But sometimes when you lose, when you lose your
49:20
number one receiver like that and you have a
49:24
rookie that's right there ready to step up, that's
49:26
going to give them a big showcase and then they
49:29
go off. And now when Mike Evans comes back, Mike
49:34
Evans is going to come back and be Mike Evans
49:35
because he has been doing that for his entire
49:38
career. And now they have this confident rookie
49:43
that Baker loves throwing it to, and the sky's
49:48
the limit for them. So honestly, it's a real
49:50
good look. They didn't win, but you didn't win...
49:55
Because of who you were playing. Because of who
49:57
you were playing. It's not a good matchup. Yes,
50:01
they got picked because of the disguises. It
50:04
wasn't anything they did. They made mistakes.
50:07
but it's because the team put you in a situation
50:08
to make those mistakes. Yeah. Where it's, like,
50:11
not self -inflicted like a few of the games last
50:14
night. But, okay. I'm obviously not watching
50:18
Panthers and Patriots. Hey, that was another...
50:21
Hey, Patriots made their layup. You know what
50:26
I mean? Patriots made their layup and the Panthers
50:29
got dunked on. Yep. Again. Yep. Saints versus
50:33
Bills. That should have been a layup. But the
50:38
Saints fought back way harder than you thought
50:40
they were going to. I think they're finally believing
50:43
in their culture. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a
50:46
little bit of a turnaround. Like, we'll see how
50:50
Spencer Radler is this year. But, like, again,
50:55
this is his learning year. Like, they're playing
50:58
with house money here. Like, they don't even
51:02
need... honestly, it's better if they lose and
51:05
have good results. Like, them playing the way
51:08
they did against the Bills. Well, trade Kamara.
51:11
Because, like, yes, it's one of those years where
51:16
it's like, we're building, you're learning. They
51:18
can trade him for, like, some pieces, like some
51:24
draft picks. Or, like, just some younger players.
51:29
Get some youth. Get him onto a team that needs
51:31
somebody. And needs a running back right now.
51:33
Like, I don't know. The Commanders. Yeah. You're
51:39
not wrong. Or Cardinals. Yeah. Actually, you
51:48
know what? Cardinals are a running back away.
51:50
Yeah. And Kamara would be good because he can
51:52
also catch in the backfield. Yeah. And they love
51:54
doing that. Yeah. That would be a good mix -up.
51:58
Other than that, I can't think of another team
52:00
that really needs... Oh, Pittsburgh. Yeah. It's
52:06
funny. We keep talking about teams, and I'm always
52:09
going back to Pittsburgh. And it's like, wow.
52:11
They need a lot. But, yeah. Yeah, but the Saints
52:20
also... intercepted Josh Allen for the first
52:24
time this year. That's the Bills' first turnover
52:27
of the year, which is crazy after three weeks.
52:30
Four is their first turnover. A rookie Josh Allen
52:36
would be like, well, I'm the greatest now ever.
52:40
They cleaned up his problem. His big problem
52:44
was turnovers. Yes, he had one turnover this
52:46
week, but a team that's winning the turnover
52:49
battle every week, Like, that's the reason they
52:53
beat the Ravens. Yep. Like, that's the reason
52:56
they're going to go as far as they are. Because
52:59
they don't turn it over. Sure. Did you watch
53:06
the Browns and Lions game? I watched a little
53:09
bit of it. I think the Lions are for real. I
53:18
think the first week was a hiccup. Yep. And,
53:22
well, we saw what they did last week to the Ravens.
53:25
Yeah, because since we do our podcast, we never
53:28
really talk about the Sunday nights because we
53:31
already moved forward. Monday nights, but yeah.
53:33
Sorry, Monday nights. My apologies. My days are
53:35
a little confused now. But yeah, what they did
53:38
to the Ravens. But now we're learning that the
53:43
Ravens fold when a team has a good offense. It's
53:48
the Ravens' defense that is actually a problem.
53:50
Yeah. And kind of their offense. It's the whole
53:54
organization. Yeah. Yeah, they're just, something
53:57
happened there. But Lions, yes. Yeah. But the
54:00
Lions are, like, they're putting it all together.
54:04
Shout out to Joey. I feel like they're using
54:12
St. Brown a lot. Yeah. Gibbs is doing everything.
54:20
Sonic and Knuckles. Sonic and Knuckles. They
54:22
got the two. If you're betting money, you had
54:26
to choose between Gibbs and Montgomery. And last
54:29
night was a Montgomery game, actually. No, it
54:31
was a Gibbs game. It was. It was a Gibbs game.
54:33
Got him in fantasy. Right, right, right. See,
54:37
and this is why we pay attention to things. But
54:43
Goff found it like that. I honestly legitimately
54:48
think the Goff -Stafford trade, straight up swapping
54:53
quarterbacks was the best thing that happened
54:55
to both of them. Yes. It got them out of that
54:58
culture and it did wonders. Yeah. I don't know
55:04
if Stafford was on Detroit, it would be any different.
55:10
It wouldn't. But it's interesting because it's
55:18
weird to just try and think about, like, what
55:20
if they never switched? Would the Rams have won
55:23
that Super Bowl? No. We know this is a fact.
55:26
We know he can throw the ball and he can go crazy.
55:29
But it was the Rams won the Super Bowl because
55:33
of Matthew Stafford and what he could bring to
55:35
the table and his leadership. Where Jared Goff,
55:38
I think, was at the point where... He could do
55:41
the best. He was the Kyler Murray of the Rams
55:44
at the time. Yeah. He hit a ceiling and couldn't
55:47
get over that hump. But I think now his ceiling
55:50
has gone way up. Like, match him with the right
55:52
coaching, the right playmakers, and... Because
55:56
the whole pressure is not on him. Yeah. Like,
55:59
he has Sonic and Knuckles. He has St. Brown.
56:03
He has even Tesla, who's a gigantic beast. The
56:09
whole team works with him and he's not a plug
56:14
-and -play player. He's like, oh, I can go here,
56:16
I can go here. Oh, you don't want me to take
56:19
the responsibility? We'll just run the ball because
56:21
we have two -headed beasts. He just distributes.
56:24
He's a great distributor. UPS should sponsor
56:27
him. That's what Jalen Hurts could be if he threw
56:30
the ball. Yeah, I know. Thank you to our defense.
56:35
Thank you to our defense. Jaguars and the 49ers.
56:47
I'm not going to lie, I didn't really pay that
56:49
much attention to this one. I know the 49ers
56:52
are hurting. They're a broken team. They're having
56:56
injuries all over the place. They can't do that
57:02
much. They lost Devo. They don't really have...
57:09
Like, Pearsall's their best receiver. They just
57:11
got Juwan Jennings back, but, like, he's still
57:13
kind of injured. 49ers. McCaffrey's back. But,
57:19
like, I don't think he's playing the same. Or
57:23
over the hump. Yeah. They're done. Yeah. They
57:26
need a whole new shakeup. We believed in Brock
57:29
Purdy. They had their shot. Yep. They missed.
57:33
Because, again, players get injured. Last year
57:37
was... A horrible year for them, and they haven't
57:40
bounced back. On the right side of their schedule,
57:42
they could make the playoffs based on their schedule
57:47
because they don't have a very difficult schedule.
57:50
That's their only saving grace, though, which
57:52
is sad to say. But no one's going to watch the
57:55
games because it'll be like, oh, they're playing
57:58
the Panthers. They're playing the Titans. They're
58:01
playing the Giants. I don't know. When you look
58:05
at it from that perspective, Because, like, my
58:08
buddy Graham's a huge fan of them. And I'm getting
58:12
texts every week. And it's sad because when we
58:16
even went to Buffalo last year to watch them
58:18
play, and then now to see them, it's just like,
58:22
it's like. Like, you don't even want to go, like,
58:25
watch the games when half their team's injured.
58:28
That's what I mean. They're not exciting. Yeah.
58:32
There's no excitement there. No. Oh, good. Mac
58:35
Jones is going to come out. It's like watching
58:35
the CFO sometimes. Oh, cool. We're watching football.
58:39
Yeah. That's it. Now I feel that. You're like,
58:42
it's on TV. Yeah, I'll watch it because it's
58:44
on, but I'm not going out of my way to watch
58:46
it. And it sucks because that was always a team
58:49
that was just dynamic to watch because their
58:52
play calling was always different, changed how
58:55
they did everything. It was intriguing. The mindset
58:59
of Shanahan was just intriguing. Now it's just
59:02
like... You have the mind, but you don't have
59:04
the players to execute it now. And it's sad.
59:07
And especially when you have the Jaguars with
59:11
Trevor Lawrence, who peaked in college, in my
59:14
opinion. And then you have Travis Hunter, who
59:17
only played... I think he's done playing two
59:20
ways. No, he's been playing both. He was benched
59:24
in the second half of defense and was only allowed
59:27
to play offense. That makes sense. That's probably
59:29
for the best. You can't wait to wait. He was
59:33
playing a lot of defenses because people got
59:35
injured and then he had to. But I think he was
59:37
like, I think I saw like 38 % of defensive snaps
59:41
and like 68 % of offensive snaps, which is a
59:46
lot of snaps. Ridiculous. You can't sustain that.
59:50
Like, he's young. So he has that saving grace.
59:52
He's not big. No, he's short. I think we might
59:56
be taller than him. We're the same height as
59:57
him. Maybe me. No, I mean, like, skinny. Yeah,
1:00:01
that too. But, like, overall, he's very athletic.
1:00:04
Yeah. But he won't be able to maintain this unless
1:00:08
he's training ridiculously. Well, not even that.
1:00:11
It's just the, oh, you're on offense and defense?
1:00:15
You're tired. Well, go to practice. I would love
1:00:21
to go to, like, an NFL practice. Who does he
1:00:23
practice with? Everybody. Yeah, he just walks
1:00:26
in. Does a couple plays over here, does a couple
1:00:29
plays over here. He doesn't really know the playbook
1:00:31
on either side. It's like throwing darts at a
1:00:33
chalkboard. Sorry, darts at a board and seeing
1:00:38
what sticks. That would be so hard for the offensive
1:00:43
and defensive coordinator because you're just
1:00:45
like, okay, how much does he have in the tank?
1:00:48
How much do I get him for? How much does he know?
1:00:54
What plays can I use him for? You've got to design
1:00:57
the playbook around him. Exhausting on both levels.
1:01:02
Player and coaches. You physically can't. Well,
1:01:08
have you ever had two jobs except the hours are
1:01:13
the same? No, not... No, no. No. I don't think
1:01:22
I could ever. Yeah, they're like, oh, let me
1:01:25
just work on this one and this one at the same
1:01:27
time. Until you get pulled into a meeting and
1:01:30
you're like, yeah, no. Yeah, it's impossible.
1:01:35
Actually, I do know some people who've done...
1:01:37
But imagine trying to do two jobs at the same
1:01:39
time while someone's trying to punch you in the
1:01:41
head. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, oh, I can't. Sorry,
1:01:47
guys, I can't. I'm sore. Oh, what did you do?
1:01:49
Oh, I got... run over on the last play because
1:01:54
I'm 170 pounds and the other guy was 260. Right.
1:01:59
Anyway, so now I'm going to tackle him. That
1:02:04
is kind of crazy when you think of it like that.
1:02:06
It's insane. It's too much to ask. It is. Colts
1:02:12
and Rams. The Rams deserved that win. But the
1:02:21
Colts, Mitchell fumbled on the one, fumbled out
1:02:26
the back of the end zone like an idiot. And,
1:02:30
like, that's some college stuff. Like, that's
1:02:33
some... That's the Sean Jackson thing. Yeah.
1:02:35
But, like, that would have won the game. That
1:02:40
was a big swing. Daniel Jones is... Sorry, my
1:02:46
apologies. I'll put some respect on his name.
1:02:48
Indiana Jones... is for real and lost his game
1:02:55
because of his teammate, not because he screwed
1:02:57
up. And if you're a betting person, if you think
1:03:01
the Giants are going to win, just bet the Indianapolis
1:03:05
Colts are going to lose because it was a flip
1:03:07
-flop this week. Yeah. But, man, not saying that
1:03:13
the Rams played bad. They played well. They played
1:03:15
their game. No, Puka's showing out. Yes. The
1:03:18
Rams are for real. He's literally on pace to
1:03:20
break Michael Thomas' record for receptions.
1:03:24
Is he actually? And Megatron's yards record.
1:03:28
Funny how the quarterback. Right? Funny how the
1:03:32
quarterback. You're like, oh, sounds familiar.
1:03:37
Almost Cooper Cup -ish. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy.
1:03:43
Another great day. It's messed up when you're
1:03:45
like, oh, Devontae Adams is our number two. True.
1:03:49
True. So, hey, it's all working out really good
1:03:54
for them. Well, I love it. Yeah. But I don't
1:04:00
know. We'll see how the rest of the season plays
1:04:02
out for those guys. True. True. I'm saying, though,
1:04:06
for sure, Daniel Jones, that's amazing. Like,
1:04:13
that's absolutely amazing. He's playing well.
1:04:15
Like, change of scenery, could change a lot.
1:04:19
Yeah, when I was listing off those quarterbacks
1:04:21
that you're just like, you could swap them out,
1:04:23
he might be in that list now. Everyone thought
1:04:26
he sucked, but turns out it's just the Giants
1:04:28
that suck. Yeah. And the coach. It's New York
1:04:32
as a whole. Both teams. Including, like, the
1:04:37
turf especially. They got to figure that out.
1:04:40
Okay, we do need to switch over to. to grass
1:04:42
at this point. Yeah. There's too many injuries.
1:04:44
But like, yeah, when you're like, oh, okay, but
1:04:48
it's going to be expensive for us to switch over
1:04:50
to grass. Okay, but it's also more expensive
1:04:53
to pay a guy $10 million to not be there. Hold
1:04:57
up, hold up. Hello? You're speaking to him. Okay,
1:05:06
so Palisade is on the phone with me right now.
1:05:09
Okay. I'm actually live on a podcast. This is
1:05:15
amazing. This is absolutely amazing. That is
1:05:24
absolutely amazing because right now I'm on a
1:05:27
podcast and we're giving out a jersey today.
1:05:29
So the fact that I'm winning a jersey on phone
1:05:31
right now, that is epic. Thank you. I will get
1:05:39
Scott Hone to pick it up for me. I appreciate
1:05:43
that. Cheers. Wild. That is wild. Legit. That
1:05:52
is epic. Palisade just called me. So we were
1:05:56
there yesterday watching a lot of the football
1:05:58
games. So if I'm not at Clubhouse watching football,
1:06:02
I'll go and support local people that I know.
1:06:04
And obviously, my co -host here works at Palisade.
1:06:08
So I'll go check him in. And they had a deal
1:06:12
where you buy a pitcher and you can win in Jersey.
1:06:16
And that's now a testament that it actually works.
1:06:20
You can't pick that. You literally can't pick
1:06:23
that. The timing is ridiculous. Okay. Owl. That
1:06:28
is sick. That is sick. Okay. To see the sheer
1:06:31
happiness in this man's face when he wins the
1:06:33
jersey. That could be you. In a few short hours.
1:06:38
It's true. It's true. What were we talking about
1:06:43
until we got a direct right pass at? That's sick.
1:06:45
We were just talking about Danny, Daniel Jones,
1:06:47
Colts. plug and play plug and play yeah i what's
1:06:54
the next game bears bears and raiders raiders
1:06:57
had this game raiders had this game until the
1:07:00
kick was blocked man crosby's crosby's all over
1:07:04
the place like he is that guy yep like talk about
1:07:10
playmakers he's the playmaker yep I'm just, it's
1:07:17
sad because Geno Smith, what they're building
1:07:19
in the race. Like, JNT went off. I think Geno
1:07:24
Smith is a placeholder at best. Until they find
1:07:27
the right quarterback. Yeah. You're not wrong.
1:07:30
But did you also, well, also they have a poisonous
1:07:34
coach there. Chip Kelly? Me being an Eagles fan,
1:07:40
I cannot stand Chip Kelly. Because he ruined.
1:07:44
what was an amazing team, and then we had a rebuild
1:07:48
with Doug Peterson, and then Carson Wentz and
1:07:50
all that drama happened after. We'll not talk
1:07:53
about that. But JT finally lined up like he was
1:07:58
in college. Like Michael Myers? Hey, it's almost
1:08:02
spooky season. It's getting spooky season. Two
1:08:06
more days and then spooky season. So you know
1:08:09
what I mean? He's legit lined up like he was
1:08:13
about to kill anyone. And then boom. People were
1:08:17
bouncing off of him. Boom. And then a block kick
1:08:20
ruined it. I mean, I feel like that also has
1:08:24
to do with the Bears' inability to tackle people.
1:08:28
But... I think it would have happened anyways.
1:08:31
Yeah. He had a crazy game. True. But, like, what
1:08:37
is it with blocked kicks? What's going on? Something
1:08:41
must have changed. Yeah. Literally, something
1:08:43
must have changed. They must have moved the ball
1:08:45
up because the amount now is ridiculous. I love
1:08:49
it because I love special teams, but it's more
1:08:53
now than it's ever been. Remember that sports
1:08:55
science show? Yeah. They need that guy. To come
1:08:58
back. To come back, to explain to us why there
1:09:01
is so many blocked kicks. Also, do an episode
1:09:04
on the turf at MetLife. Yeah. That might save
1:09:07
a few people. Probably. It might convince them
1:09:10
to get new grass. True. So, I've been holding
1:09:16
off on this next game because I don't want to
1:09:19
talk about the Bears because the Bears are the
1:09:21
Bears. Yeah. We care more about the Raiders.
1:09:24
We don't care about the Bears. The Ravens and
1:09:27
Chiefs. The Ravens had one job this week and
1:09:32
they let everyone down. This was... I hate to
1:09:37
say it, but this was 100 % what the Chiefs needed.
1:09:43
They needed a game where they play a defense
1:09:48
that is inept so they can just make some plays,
1:09:52
build some confidence. I couldn't name two receivers
1:09:58
that are playing for the Chiefs right now. I
1:10:02
could. Travis Kelsey doesn't count. Xavier Woods.
1:10:09
Xavier Worthy? Xavier Worthy, who actually played
1:10:12
in Juju Smith. Oh, I forgot he was on there.
1:10:15
See? And Thornton. Thornton, he's the big guy.
1:10:20
Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, but like, they... But they're
1:10:25
not like... They're just household names. Yeah.
1:10:28
They just needed... A game to, like, get things
1:10:32
right, to get some confidence, get a win. Until
1:10:36
Rashid Rice is back. Yeah, exactly. This way,
1:10:40
like, if they lost this game, they would be hurting.
1:10:43
Yep. And now the Ravens are hurting. If I was
1:10:49
a Ravens GM. Lamar Jackson's hurting. Pardon?
1:10:52
Lamar Jackson's hurting. Yep. He got pulled out
1:10:55
of the game. Yep. Hamstring. Yeah. I don't know
1:10:58
if it was as much of a hamstring injury. Or didn't
1:11:01
want to play anymore. He gave up on the team.
1:11:04
I'm giving up. We can't do it today. Their defense
1:11:10
wasn't having it. Derrick Henry? 31 years old.
1:11:15
I think that's who you were talking about when
1:11:16
you were saying some running backs are over the
1:11:20
hill and they're declining hard this year. Don't
1:11:26
get me wrong. It's still early in his career.
1:11:33
He may have two more years left, but this is...
1:11:38
If this was Jerry Jones, he would have been gone
1:11:42
already. This is like Ezekiel Elliott in his
1:11:45
prime. You know what? You may give us one more
1:11:47
year and you're done. I don't think it's the
1:11:50
same as Zeke. Zeke went from really good to downhill
1:11:55
fast as soon as they... The Cowboys lost their
1:11:58
really good O -line. But with the Ravens, man,
1:12:03
there's just problems all over the place. I'm
1:12:06
actually going to – this is my hot take, and
1:12:09
I don't usually do hot takes on this. This is
1:12:12
my first – fire Harbaugh. You need a new coach
1:12:18
in there to bring in a new culture. Yeah, it's
1:12:20
starting to get that way. It's the game management.
1:12:23
How are you up dramatically? in games, like,
1:12:28
they'd be leading in fourth quarters with four
1:12:32
minutes left by 19 points. And still lose. Like,
1:12:39
one, your game management's horrible. You're
1:12:43
not taking advantage. When you put in Derrick
1:12:45
Henry, we on him, oh, it's a run play to Derrick
1:12:48
Henry. Guaranteed. Because that's the only reason
1:12:51
why he's not an everyday back. Justice Hill's
1:12:53
an everyday back. But then... Either have them
1:12:56
both on at the exact same time, so you don't
1:12:59
know, so then you have three -headed beasts where
1:13:01
all three of them can run at the exact same time.
1:13:03
Yeah. Like, I get he's older in football terms,
1:13:08
31 years old, but you're wasting your offense
1:13:13
on the facade that Derrick Henry is an automatic
1:13:16
beast. Like, the crown is only now reserved for
1:13:21
LeBron James again. Like, LeBron's still doing
1:13:26
it constantly in the NBA, but that's a different
1:13:29
type of game. Derrick Henry's getting beat up.
1:13:32
And Lamar Jackson can only do so much. But when...
1:13:36
Oh. Let's do it in gauge eight, because Derrick
1:13:40
Henry's in. And then we'll go... Oh, he's not
1:13:44
in? We'll play zone, because we know he's going
1:13:46
to pass it. Well, that's why the Ravens did so
1:13:49
well last year, was because... They could use
1:13:53
Derrick Henry every down, and you just, you never
1:13:57
know what's going to happen. And that's why Lamar
1:14:00
Jackson was passing, like, so well last year.
1:14:04
That's done. This film. Exactly. We see what's
1:14:07
going on. You're not surprising anyone anymore.
1:14:10
No. But, I don't know. They're having problems
1:14:13
all over, though. Like, I don't. Like I said,
1:14:17
the GM and the coach. The GM should take into
1:14:19
consideration now. We might need to let Harbaugh
1:14:22
go. And it's sad to say because Harbaugh's an
1:14:24
amazing Super Bowl coach. But what you're doing
1:14:28
is not working. And we've been always blaming
1:14:31
Lamar. Lamar's not getting it done. Lamar's not
1:14:33
getting it done. Lamar's not getting it done.
1:14:36
I'm at the point now where I'm starting to think,
1:14:39
no, it's the coach that's letting Lamar down.
1:14:42
And Lamar's now keeping that like, okay, I'm
1:14:45
going to try to be the hero because my coach
1:14:47
is telling me to do this. I'm going to try to
1:14:48
do it. Nothing he does is scripted. True. True.
1:14:55
Maybe we need a coach to get in there to start
1:14:58
scripting things to put people in their best
1:15:01
situation. And that's a good coach. Yes. If I'm
1:15:07
the Ravens right now, if I was a fan, if I was
1:15:09
the coach, if I was the owner, I'm hitting the
1:15:13
emergency button right now. I am panicking. Because
1:15:15
beginning of the season, we said there was...
1:15:19
You're supposed to have three losses this year.
1:15:21
Thank you. Thank you. It's week four. And you
1:15:24
have one win, three losses, and you're matching
1:15:27
the Giants. Yeah. Right? There should have been
1:15:31
four teams in this league this year. And the
1:15:34
Giants' win was against the Chargers, who are
1:15:37
better. The Ravens' only win is against the Browns,
1:15:42
who have zero offense. Speak game. Speak game.
1:15:48
At the beginning of the season, I would say there
1:15:50
was four teams. You had the Eagles, because they
1:15:53
were Super Bowl champs. You had the Ravens. You
1:15:58
had the Bills. And you had Kansas City. Those
1:16:01
were the top four teams. Two of them fell off
1:16:04
hard. If we're going to the top ten, we can add
1:16:08
the Bengals. I would never put the Chargers in
1:16:12
there. But other than that, other teams I might
1:16:17
have put in that. Tampa. The Chargers, I had
1:16:21
a feeling they'd be pretty good just because
1:16:23
of Harbaugh. I thought they'd be decent, but
1:16:24
Minnesota. Because what we saw with Sam Donald
1:16:28
last year to this year, there was always that
1:16:30
if with San Francisco. But the injuries, back
1:16:35
of our head. But other than that, those are the
1:16:38
teams that I was like, and Detroit. Detroit,
1:16:40
you have to put Detroit on that list. Now I look
1:16:43
at it and it's like. Ravens, are you rebuilding?
1:16:46
Yeah. They're probably going to have to. Like,
1:16:50
to say that the Ravens are at the exact same
1:16:52
level as Tennessee right now. Now, don't get
1:16:55
me wrong. Ravens played great teams. Ravens have
1:16:58
played great teams. Yeah. But their records are...
1:17:00
What I'm saying is... But that's the difference
1:17:02
between first -place schedule, last -place schedule.
1:17:05
Exactly. Exactly. Like, that's how it evens out.
1:17:09
So... Okay. Anything else you want to add to
1:17:13
this? Well, we got a couple games tonight. Yep.
1:17:18
We got the one game. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's
1:17:21
not talk about. We still have one more game.
1:17:23
Oh, yeah. There's one more game. Oh, sorry. I
1:17:26
don't acknowledge ties. That's on me. That's
1:17:29
on me. If you're watching live, greatly appreciated
1:17:32
you sticking around for this whole episode. If
1:17:35
you're watching late and you're piecing out whatever,
1:17:37
cool. Yes, you don't acknowledge ties. There
1:17:42
was only one winner last night, and that was
1:17:45
Jerry Jones. Yeah, Jerry Jones just proved that
1:17:48
he won the trade. It doesn't matter. Micah's
1:17:51
career is now cemented with Jerry Jones forever.
1:17:55
Because when you look at it as the GM didn't
1:17:58
want to pay Micah top dollar for a non -quarterback.
1:18:04
Gave him basically two Green Bay for Kenny Clark.
1:18:10
And two first rounds. No, two second rounds?
1:18:14
No, two first rounds. And you won the trade as
1:18:19
of today, or as of last night. Both defenses
1:18:21
got 40 points hung on them. Yeah. If you have
1:18:26
the highest paid non -quarterback in the league
1:18:30
on your defense, you shouldn't be getting 40
1:18:34
points hung on you. Well, here's the other sad
1:18:37
thing. When you look at it from the last day,
1:18:41
which was a four -hour game, Micah only got one
1:18:44
sack. In overtime. Or no, was it in overtime?
1:18:50
It was in overtime. Because he saved the touchdown.
1:18:52
It wasn't even for negative yards. He did save
1:18:54
a touchdown. He saved the touchdown. He actually
1:18:55
did. He saved the tie. Yeah. We would have had
1:19:00
a winner if he didn't sack for that one. Yeah.
1:19:04
I think Micah went into this game. Too lovey
1:19:09
-dovey with Dak Prescott. That's a different
1:19:11
story. Going soft. But it was bad. Beginning
1:19:16
of this year, we were saying Green Bay may win
1:19:18
the whole thing. No. No. You guys have shown
1:19:22
your true colors. You guys had a weak schedule
1:19:24
to start off. Going back to... I feel like winning
1:19:29
is that mentality, though. Like, Green Bay, ever
1:19:34
since Aaron Rodgers left, has just been... They
1:19:38
haven't been killers. True. So they don't have
1:19:43
that mentality. True. Like, Dallas, for what
1:19:47
it's worth, regardless, they try. Mm -hmm. And,
1:19:52
like, they've been in two overtimes so far. The
1:19:57
only team that's been in overtime. Except for
1:20:00
the other teams they've been playing against.
1:20:02
Yep. Like, week four, two overtimes. That...
1:20:06
takes the... They don't want to win enough. They
1:20:10
just don't want to lose. So they just keep it
1:20:14
close. And Romeo Dobbs looks so well, but they're
1:20:19
deep. Gigantic Guardian helmet. Yeah. You can
1:20:24
see it from space. I own the Milky Way apparel.
1:20:28
I can look down and see his helmet. Damn. Yeah.
1:20:33
Oh, man. Okay. But yeah, Jerry Jones, congratulations.
1:20:38
You won the trade. And anytime Micah does anything
1:20:41
now, we're always going to refer to Jerry Jones
1:20:43
from now on. It is cemented in history. Micah's
1:20:46
got to light it up the rest of the year. It doesn't
1:20:48
matter. We're always going to refer to the Cowboys.
1:20:51
And that was their... The only other time they
1:20:54
can play them again is in the playoffs. And I
1:20:57
don't think it will happen. Yeah, one of those
1:20:59
teams isn't going to make the playoffs. But Prescott
1:21:02
right now is playing like an MVP candidate. Yeah,
1:21:06
which is crazy because Lamb's out, which I know
1:21:12
very well because, again, fantasy football. Like
1:21:17
we said in the beginning of this episode, if
1:21:19
you pay attention, the betting makes us more
1:21:25
involved in sports, but some sports. Because
1:21:28
otherwise you'd never learn the second, third,
1:21:30
fourth string people. Probably not fourth string,
1:21:32
but like. Or close to. Yeah. Close to. Okay,
1:21:35
so there's two games tonight. We have the Jets
1:21:39
and the Dolphins. And as we were recording this,
1:21:41
the Jets and the Dolphins game was actually going
1:21:43
on. I'm not really paying attention. I'm trying
1:21:46
to, but I'm not really paying attention. You
1:21:47
can see out of the corner of my eye, it's 10
1:21:49
-3 for Miami. And then it's the Bengals and the
1:21:53
Broncos, which obviously we know why we're supporting
1:21:56
the Broncos. Or sorry, the Bengals. Grab the
1:22:01
whole podcast. We're done. Done. Got the wrong
1:22:05
orange team. Obviously, you're going for the
1:22:09
Bengals tonight. Yeah. I want the Bengals to
1:22:14
win so bad, but we'll see what happens. Honestly,
1:22:19
I just want them to play well. I just want them
1:22:22
to look like a team. I get you. Go out there,
1:22:27
start the game off, get a couple first downs.
1:22:31
Defense goes out, get a three and out, get some
1:22:34
confidence back. Because, like, losing like that,
1:22:37
like they did last week, that destroys your confidence.
1:22:41
You're not wrong. And that goes, like, you'll
1:22:45
see how well they practice. Sure. That's what
1:22:48
it comes down to. Jets and Dolphins, I think
1:22:50
the Finns are going to win their game. They need
1:22:53
it. They need this layup. They do. Not saying
1:22:57
the Jets don't. Miami's because they're all they
1:23:00
have internal issues that this will help them
1:23:03
but I got a lot going on and they need to get
1:23:07
some winds under their belt now while the weather's
1:23:09
still nice yep so with that being said that's
1:23:14
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