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Nailing a job interview 101 · She's On The Money

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Speaker 1: She's on the Money. She's on the Money.
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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast
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Speaker 2: for millennials who want financial freedom. For most people, job
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Speaker 2: interviews are painful, nauseating experiences that, while essential, are an
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Speaker 2: experience that ultimately we wish we could avoid.
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Speaker 3: They're scary. Yes, they're scary, they really are.
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Speaker 2: And of course there are exceptions, and some people out
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Speaker 2: there love having the opportunity to talk about themselves under
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Speaker 2: a high pressure environment. For most of us, absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: Job interviews are terrifying. If you fall into that ladder
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Speaker 2: camp and are terrified of job interviews, or even if
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Speaker 2: you're eager to know what employers may want to hear,
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Speaker 2: today's episode is the one for you. My name is
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Speaker 2: Jessica Riki, and I don't hate job interviews, but they
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Speaker 2: make me super anxious. And so today I'm chatting as
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Speaker 2: always with a financial advisor and my employer.
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Speaker 3: Hello Divine.
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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, I know how convenient that you're my boss
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Speaker 2: and also my podcast buddy today. Why do some people
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Speaker 2: like myself find job interviews so daunting while other people
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Speaker 2: just seem to totally thrive?
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, how annoying is it when you've got
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Speaker 3: one of those friends that just thrives under pressure and
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Speaker 3: does really well in job interviews. I was never that person.
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Speaker 3: I always used to get really anxious and really nervy.
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Speaker 3: And I remember always walking into job interviews when I
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Speaker 3: had them, and I would like wipe my hand on
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Speaker 3: the back of my hip before like shaking someone's hand,
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Speaker 3: because I literally would get like sticky fingers, and I
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Speaker 3: was always so embarrassed, and I wonder, and I remember
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Speaker 3: like walking into job interviews and I'd be like, oh,
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Speaker 3: don't munch off your fists because then they will like
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Speaker 3: be more sweaty. So I always remember being so aware
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Speaker 3: of that, and that is so weird to remember now,
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Speaker 3: but I think we all go through it. But at
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, like some of us are
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Speaker 3: good at that and some of us are not so
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Speaker 3: good at that, And there is no right or wrong.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't actually mean that you're going to be better
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Speaker 3: or worse at the job. Like some people just interview
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Speaker 3: poorly and that's okay. But hopefully at the end of
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Speaker 3: this episode, we can leave you with some tips and
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Speaker 3: tricks so that you can be a better interviewee and
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Speaker 3: be one of those people that just walks in with
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Speaker 3: an air of confidence, even if you're not that confident
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Speaker 3: actual goals?
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Speaker 2: Can I start off by being super easy and asking
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Speaker 2: how did I go when you interviewed me for my job?
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Speaker 2: I started, I'm sidetracking this.
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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Jess. You started last December and you were
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Speaker 3: a really good Interviewee. Were you nervous? Was that? Absolutely? No?
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Speaker 2: So I met Ryan first, and Ryan has a really
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Speaker 2: fantastic quality about him where he naturally just puts people
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Speaker 2: at ease. Yes, So I met Ryan, who obviously brought
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Speaker 2: me down to you, and I definitely was really nervous
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Speaker 2: because I just wanted this job so desperately. Like I
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Speaker 2: was like the stars have aligned. Like many other people,
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Speaker 2: I had a horrible twenty twenty and I was just like,
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Speaker 2: I have gone through a shit year to come to
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Speaker 2: this place, and if it hadn't worked out, I would
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Speaker 2: have been so sad.
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Speaker 3: I can't even touch you hard well. You were an angel.
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Speaker 3: You were such a good interview ere And it's one
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Speaker 3: of those things that the thing that I liked most
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Speaker 3: about your interview is probably not the part that you
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Speaker 3: think I liked the most?
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Speaker 2: Was it?
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Speaker 3: You were obviously very articulate and really good and explaining
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Speaker 3: what you were really good at, and like explaining what
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Speaker 3: you could do for She's on the money, and I
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Speaker 3: was really impressed. But the thing I liked most about
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Speaker 3: your interview was that you told me what you didn't know,
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Speaker 3: and you were really clear about what you didn't know,
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Speaker 3: and you explained to me exactly what that meant and
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Speaker 3: what training you would require and how much you were
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Speaker 3: willing to put into growing that aspect. Because I remember
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Speaker 3: you said, Hey, Victoria, in the job description it says
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Speaker 3: I need to do X, Y and Z, and I'm
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Speaker 3: actually not that great at Z because I haven't had
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Speaker 3: enough experience or enough exposure to this. And to mitigate that,
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Speaker 3: I'm going to need to do X, Y and Z
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Speaker 3: and O the business. Would you be willing to support
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Speaker 3: me doing that? And I just remember being so impressed
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Speaker 3: because so many people come into these situations and they go, Okay, cool,
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Speaker 3: let's just avoid talking about the things I'm not so
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Speaker 3: good at instead of you know, going front on and
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Speaker 3: just like hitting it in the face and going no,
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Speaker 3: I'm not good at that, because at the end of
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Speaker 3: the day, as an employee, I'm not actually looking for
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Speaker 3: you to be a wizard and some kind of superhuman person.
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Speaker 3: I'm just looking for a really nice team member that
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Speaker 3: can join my team and grow with my business and
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Speaker 3: add a lot of value to my business. And that's
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Speaker 3: exactly what I saw and why you got the job.
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Speaker 3: My friend, Ah, thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: I feel like as well, like the flip side of
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Speaker 2: that is like we all pad our resumes or you know,
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Speaker 2: elaborate on things. Did you this new? Not me personal,
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Speaker 2: of course, but do you know what I mean? You
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Speaker 2: really like go into the nitty gritty and fill it
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Speaker 2: up and make sure that you're making yourself sound your.
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Speaker 3: Best and brightest.
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Speaker 2: Oh. But of course there's a big difference between doing
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Speaker 2: that and like outright lying or implying that you have
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Speaker 2: a skill that you don't. And so I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 2: for me it was Excel. Like I'm not an Excel wizard,
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Speaker 2: which when I sit next to you, it makes me
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Speaker 2: feel ten thousand times worse because.
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Speaker 3: You're so good at it. But if I do, we
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Speaker 3: do Excel master classes and you're slowly becoming a wizard. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: But if I had come into that interview and been like, hey,
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Speaker 2: like I saw you needed Excel, I'm like incredibly proficient,
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Speaker 2: and then on day one you'd sat me down and said, hey,
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Speaker 2: can you please put together this really fancy spreadsheet like
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Speaker 2: the one in the Budget and cash Flow masterclass, I
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Speaker 2: would have died. I wouldn't have known what to do.
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Speaker 2: I would have been so anxious. And so I feel
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Speaker 2: like by just being upfront in that interview, you avoid
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Speaker 2: all of that because the expectation is already set that
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Speaker 2: I will need help in that space.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that that makes everyone feel far
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Speaker 3: more confident and capable, and it just makes sense to
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Speaker 3: be honest about your capabilities. Absolutely. Moving on, enough about me,
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Speaker 3: you and your interview. Let's learn how we can all
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Speaker 3: be better at interviews. What is your first question for me?
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Speaker 3: Jesse go Toci.
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Speaker 2: So I guess before you even get to the interview,
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming there's some things that we can do to
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Speaker 2: prepare ourselves to make sure that we're feeling really ready
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Speaker 2: to go once we actually step through the door. What
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Speaker 2: kind of things can we do beforehand to set ourselves
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Speaker 2: up for success?
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Speaker 3: A lot, And I think that a lot of people
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Speaker 3: just don't think about this enough because we just get
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Speaker 3: a little bit anxious and then talk about the interview.
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Speaker 3: With our friends instead of empowering ourselves by doing a
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Speaker 3: couple of these things. So the first thing I would
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Speaker 3: do is research the company. So even if let's say
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Speaker 3: it's for like Adore Beauty, and you guys know how
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Speaker 3: much I adore Adore, but I know about the company,
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Speaker 3: but I really want you to deeply research it, like
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Speaker 3: who is their CEO, Understand what she does, how she
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Speaker 3: does her job, why she started the company, me understand
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Speaker 3: her ethos, do a bit of research what blog articles exist.
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Speaker 3: The second thing that you can do, and I feel
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Speaker 3: like this is like a second thing that you can
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Speaker 3: just not do, and that's script your responses. So there
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Speaker 3: is nothing worse, Jess than getting into an interview with
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Speaker 3: someone and you ask them, hey, Jess, why would you
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Speaker 3: like to work here? And then they start spouting out
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Speaker 3: what you know is like a pre record of their response,
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Speaker 3: but it never hits the nail on the head with
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Speaker 3: the question that you asked. And I just feel like
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Speaker 3: doing your research and fully understanding your own capabilities and
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Speaker 3: maybe doing a couple of like mock interviews with yourself
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Speaker 3: in the mirror so that you feel confident answering questions
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Speaker 3: add hoc instead of Okay, cool. Well, if they ask
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Speaker 3: me this question, I'm just going to respond with this
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Speaker 3: prescripted answer that I have because that's the best answer
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Speaker 3: I have, because I really want to prove something like often,
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Speaker 3: if you're interviewing someone, you see straight through that and
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Speaker 3: often it just feels like they were trying to do
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Speaker 3: something with that piece of content when it really didn't
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Speaker 3: hit the nail on the head with what you were
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Speaker 3: asking them in the first place. So I would really
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Speaker 3: avoid doing that. And the third thing that I would
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Speaker 3: do is actually organize some questions that you can ask them,
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Speaker 3: and there's no shame in writing them down in a
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Speaker 3: little notebook and taking that along so that you can
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Speaker 3: feel prepared. It'll also show the person that's interviewing you
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Speaker 3: that you really did think about this in advance and
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Speaker 3: saying he actually, I did have a couple of questions
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Speaker 3: noted down. Do feel like you've probably answered a lot
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Speaker 3: of them, but here are a few questions that I
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Speaker 3: have when they ask Because there's nothing worse than finishing
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Speaker 3: an interview and going Jess, thank you so much for
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Speaker 3: taking the time to come in and answering all my questions.
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Speaker 3: And I was just wondering do you have any questions
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Speaker 3: for us? And you go no, thanks, hope you have
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Speaker 3: a good day and leave. I go, ah, okay, no problems,
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Speaker 3: Like I want to hear questions from you. But I
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Speaker 3: was going to in this part because I wrote a
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Speaker 3: few notes before coming into this podcast to record, I
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Speaker 3: was going to list out a few questions that I
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Speaker 3: thought were applicable. But Jessica, did you not work in
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Speaker 3: executive recruitment? I did, So what are some questions from
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Speaker 3: your perspective that I could ask a potential employer about
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Speaker 3: the role or about the company.
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Speaker 2: I have two that I think are really good go tos,
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Speaker 2: and they're pretty much applicable no matter who you're speaking to.
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Speaker 2: And they also are kind of something that's not super
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Speaker 2: likely to be covered off in your interview, because there's
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Speaker 2: nothing worse than when you pre prepare your questions and
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Speaker 2: then they've already answered it.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, no, I have no questions. You actually
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Speaker 3: answer them the more and they're like, yeah, you're just
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Speaker 3: saying that.
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Speaker 2: So I feel like it's always really fun to ask
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Speaker 2: what would a day in my life in this role
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Speaker 2: look like? And it's really good because it'll give you
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Speaker 2: a bit of a sense of is there a really
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Speaker 2: strict structure or process that you're going to follow day
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Speaker 2: to day, or maybe they'll let you know that they're
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Speaker 2: really flexible and happy for you to set things up
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Speaker 2: in a way that works just for you you. So,
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Speaker 2: in addition to making you look like you're interested, it
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Speaker 2: also gives you some really valuable information about how you
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Speaker 2: might be working in this space.
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Speaker 3: Genius, which I love. So what else can we ask?
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Speaker 3: You can also.
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Speaker 2: Ask about growth and opportunities within the business. So if
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Speaker 2: you walk in and they say, oh, any questions for
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Speaker 2: us at the end, you can say, oh, I'd love
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Speaker 2: to know what opportunities are there for me to grow
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Speaker 2: in this space, or what leadership opportunities are there, because
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Speaker 2: it one demonstrates that you're really keen to grow and
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Speaker 2: develop and you have a tenacity to kind of improve
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Speaker 2: yourself as an employee, but it also shows that you're
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Speaker 2: picturing yourself their long term because realistically, it's very rare
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Speaker 2: that you'd walk into a job and it'd be exactly
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Speaker 2: what you want to do for the next thirty years
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Speaker 2: of your life, genius, So showing that you would love
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Speaker 2: to stay at that business, providing they're able to support
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Speaker 2: you and encourage you. And then again it kind of
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Speaker 2: gives you something to aim for when you come back
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Speaker 2: and have your performance reviews or your yearly reviews, because
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Speaker 2: you go, okay, cool, like I want to be, you know,
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Speaker 2: five steps ahead of where I am. Now, what do
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Speaker 2: I need to be doing to get there?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I love that.
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Speaker 2: And I suppose there's a lot of questions that they're
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Speaker 2: going to ask you in the interview that you need
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Speaker 2: to prepare for. Do you happen to have an idea
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Speaker 2: of what the most common questions asked are and how
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Speaker 2: we can kind of answer them in the best possible way.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes and no yes, no, I haven't done this
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Speaker 3: from my experience because I feel like I never stick
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Speaker 3: to the scripts that quote employers are meant to stick
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Speaker 3: to an interview, and you could probably attest to that
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Speaker 3: for sure. Then on the flip side, I did a
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Speaker 3: little bit of sneaky research before this podcast recording, and
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Speaker 3: according to our friends over at seek, there are actually
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Speaker 3: ten common questions that come up that you could prepare
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Speaker 3: for to feel a little bit more empowered. Number one
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Speaker 3: is tell me about yourself. Hate that question, but like,
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Speaker 3: how bad is it when someone's like, hey, Jesz, could
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Speaker 3: you tell me about yourself? And you're like, I don't
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Speaker 3: know where to start. You want to know, you want
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Speaker 3: to know that I'm a cancer, yeah, and a rising moon?
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Speaker 3: Like what one do we want? But I think that
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Speaker 3: that is the opportunity for you to explain that you're
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Speaker 3: just a passionate, engaged person and you're looking forward to
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Speaker 3: doing the job. They don't actually care about your relationship
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Speaker 3: with your mum or how you grew up, And to
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Speaker 3: be honest, as much as I would love to hear
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Speaker 3: about your money story in an interview, I don't think
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Speaker 3: other employers would want to. The second one is what
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Speaker 3: interests you about the job? So this is a really
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Speaker 3: important question that could actually put you ahead of other
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Speaker 3: candidates because some people would be like, oh, yeah, I
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Speaker 3: heard sheese on the Money's a nice place to work.
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Speaker 3: But on the flip side, you could say, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 3: like I know your content, I know your vibe, I
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Speaker 3: know your community, I really understand what you're looking for,
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Speaker 3: and I followed your job description and in this it
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Speaker 3: was perfect for me and so I'm just super interested
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Speaker 3: in it. The next one is what did you like
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Speaker 3: or dislike about your current or your previous job, And
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Speaker 3: to me, this question feels like a trap, Jess. It
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Speaker 3: feels like a trap because they're trying to work out
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Speaker 3: why you left the last role. And even if it's
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Speaker 3: for a really organic, really real reason, sometimes people will
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Speaker 3: be a little bit too candid and that cannot be
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Speaker 3: that good of a look, if that makes sense, Like
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Speaker 3: you might be the nicest person in the entire world,
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Speaker 3: but by saying, oh, I'm leaving a toxic work environment
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Speaker 3: by my boss terrible person could just not be that flattering.
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Speaker 3: And I don't want to risk them thinking negatively of
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Speaker 3: you based on your past experience exactly, So in that situation,
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Speaker 3: I'd probably lean towards like, oh, my gosh, like I
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Speaker 3: just saw this opportunity. You know, I've got a good job,
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Speaker 3: but I didn't want to pass up being able to
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Speaker 3: put my hat into the ring at such a great company.
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of ways to get around it,
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Speaker 3: but really good reason right now to start thinking about
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Speaker 3: what you would say if people asked you that. The
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Speaker 3: next is why are you leaving? And I feel like
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Speaker 3: that leans back to my number three. Then number five
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Speaker 3: is what do you know about our company? And this
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Speaker 3: is where you're research is going to pay off, and
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Speaker 3: you're going to be able to explain not only are
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Speaker 3: you a company and you have X amount of employees
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Speaker 3: you could talk to culture, you could talk to how
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Speaker 3: cool the experience of the people who lead that company is.
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Speaker 3: And I think that that's an opportunity to showcase that
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Speaker 3: not only are you understanding of the company, but why
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Speaker 3: you would fit well into that company. And next question
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Speaker 3: that is very common to be asked is why do
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Speaker 3: you want to work with us? And I think that
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Speaker 3: that's a hard one to answer, especially if you're in
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Speaker 3: the market for a new job and you're, like your
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Speaker 3: ad was on sick.
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Speaker 2: I just want to leave my current job and I
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Speaker 2: want to add.
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Speaker 3: Money with my toxic boss dune like, I'm done with
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Speaker 3: my boss, and I also want a job that pays
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Speaker 3: me money. And I looked at your description and you're
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Speaker 3: going to pay me more, So like that's a pretty
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Speaker 3: good reason. No, my friends, it is not. So. I
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Speaker 3: think understanding company culture and that you know you've got
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Speaker 3: really great growth opportunities at that business or something along
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Speaker 3: those lines is far more preferable.
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Speaker 2: I feel like that's a good time to if you
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Speaker 2: found anything in your research around values alignment. It's really
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Speaker 2: common nowadays for businesses to have a mission statement or
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Speaker 2: some kind of commentary on their website around like what
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Speaker 2: their values are as a business, if they're really sustainable
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Speaker 2: or something like that. And if that aligns with something
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Speaker 2: that you're passionate about, that's another really good chance for
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Speaker 2: you to say, oh my gosh, like we'll care about
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Speaker 2: the same things, and you know that would make you
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Speaker 2: a really appealing and engaging employee exactly.
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Speaker 3: And then number seven and eight I think are linked.
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Speaker 3: And number seven is to me a lot easier to answer,
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Speaker 3: and that is what are your strong points? Which you
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Speaker 3: can obviously have a little bit of a think about.
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Speaker 3: Number eight though, is what are your weak points? And
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Speaker 3: this can be a fickle one because I don't want
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Speaker 3: to hear, hey, I'm actually really bad at the job,
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Speaker 3: or hey I'm just really bad at time management, because
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Speaker 3: that's not something I, as a boss want to hear.
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Speaker 3: So you've got to be really strategic with this question
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Speaker 3: because it's not truly asking what you are bad at,
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Speaker 3: it's hey, what could you improve at that impacts this job?
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Speaker 3: So if you're really bad at time management, I'm not
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Speaker 3: saying don't tell people, but like, if that's something you're
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Speaker 3: not currently working on, potentially pick something that you know
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Speaker 3: is a weakness, but you also have an action plan
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Speaker 3: in place to improve.
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Speaker 2: And I think having that action plan is how you
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Speaker 2: counter being like, oh, this is a weakness, but I
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Speaker 2: know and am prepared to work towards improving it, exactly. Secret.
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Speaker 3: That's the secret, And it's one of those things that
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Speaker 3: nobody tells you when we're going through these questions, because
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Speaker 3: often when it's like, oh, what are your weak points,
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Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I'm too committed, I'm too committed to work,
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Speaker 3: or they say, oh, I'm just really bad at work
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Speaker 3: life balance, like I love my job.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, no one's buying that.
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Speaker 3: I know you made that up. But then also on
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Speaker 3: the flip side, this is twenty twenty one, and I
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Speaker 3: think a lot of em employers are very similar to
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Speaker 3: me in that my view of work is probably a
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Speaker 3: lot different to fifty years AGO's view of work, where
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Speaker 3: you should be really committed to the company and do
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Speaker 3: your nine to five Monday to Friday. But yeah, I
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Speaker 3: believe Jess and you would know this about me that
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Speaker 3: I think it's one of two things. If you say
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Speaker 3: that you are working too many hours, I have either
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Speaker 3: as your employer, overloaded you with work and therefore I
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Speaker 3: need to change it, or on the flip side've been like, oh,
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Speaker 3: Jess is working sixty hour weeks, maybe she's not that
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Speaker 3: good at time management and she needs to make it up.
17:30
Speaker 3: So either you're good at your job and you're getting
17:33
Speaker 3: it done within the allocated period of time that I've
17:35
Speaker 3: given you to do that job, or it's me. So
17:39
Speaker 3: I feel like it's one of those things where it's
17:41
Speaker 3: actually not that impressive to say you work a sixty
17:44
Speaker 3: hour a week these days when your work week is
17:46
Speaker 3: actually thirty eight hours, because it's either poor management or
17:49
Speaker 3: on your part, poor time management. And I think that
17:52
Speaker 3: from that perspective, we should have good work life balance,
17:56
Speaker 3: and Jesse, you and I know that sometimes we don't
17:59
Speaker 3: have good work life balance, but it's one of those
18:01
Speaker 3: things that we talk about and we work on and
18:03
Speaker 3: we're going through together. That From my perspective, it's really
18:07
Speaker 3: important to be open and honest about the next one.
18:11
Speaker 3: Number nine is what have you learned from your mistakes?
18:15
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a good one that's actually a
18:17
Speaker 2: really good question.
18:18
Speaker 3: It's a really good question. Also gets you to learn
18:21
Speaker 3: a little bit more about yourself if you're preparing with it,
18:24
Speaker 3: and then number ten, how much do you think this
18:27
Speaker 3: position pays?
18:28
Speaker 2: That's sneaky.
18:30
Speaker 3: That's sneaky. And I'm of the opinion that if you
18:33
Speaker 3: are the interviewee, you don't want to put the number
18:35
Speaker 3: on the table first. So, Jess, if you said to me, Hey, Victoria,
18:39
Speaker 3: what are your salary expectations? I would very likely turn
18:42
Speaker 3: around and say, hey, Jess, that's a really good topic.
18:44
Speaker 3: In fact, I've done a little bit of research around
18:46
Speaker 3: what this role is worth in the market, but I'd
18:48
Speaker 3: love to know what budget your business has allocated to
18:51
Speaker 3: this particular role. Put the people back in their court
18:55
Speaker 3: to put the number on the table first. For a
18:58
Speaker 3: couple of reasons. One, you're job and how much it
19:01
Speaker 3: paid is not a reliable predictor of what you should
19:03
Speaker 3: be paid in the future. You should be paid what
19:06
Speaker 3: that job is worth, not what you have been being paid,
19:10
Speaker 3: because you could be going like for like role, but
19:13
Speaker 3: they've valocated a significantly higher budget and you go, oh, well, actually, Victoria,
19:18
Speaker 3: I'm happy to accept fifty thousand dollars a year and
19:21
Speaker 3: they go money win. The budget we allocated was eighty
19:23
Speaker 3: thousand dollars and you're kind of like cutting yourself short.
19:26
Speaker 3: But on the flip side, it lets you understand their
19:29
Speaker 3: expectations and you might be able to say, hey, Jess,
19:32
Speaker 3: well actually I was under the impression that this job
19:35
Speaker 3: was actually worth eighty five thousand dollars not eighty Is
19:39
Speaker 3: that something we could talk about and build on because
19:42
Speaker 3: you deserve to get paid full stop? End of story, Jess,
19:45
Speaker 3: what's the next question before I get on another rant?
19:48
Speaker 2: We have now kind of covered off on what to
19:50
Speaker 2: do beforehand and what questions to kind of expect, but
19:53
Speaker 2: what do we do on the day.
19:55
Speaker 3: Okay, so first things first, my mum always told me me,
20:00
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is legit, but like Judy
20:02
Speaker 3: knows their stuff, all right, Guys, dress for the job
20:05
Speaker 3: you want, not the job you have, and I think
20:08
Speaker 3: that that is really important. But dressed in a way
20:10
Speaker 3: that is suited to the industry and it shouldn't ever
20:12
Speaker 3: matter what you wear to a job interview, but it does,
20:15
Speaker 3: and research actually tells us that it does. And there's
20:19
Speaker 3: a study that came out of the UK and it's
20:21
Speaker 3: said that six in ten managers saying interviewees dress sense
20:25
Speaker 3: has a big impact on their employability.
20:28
Speaker 2: And if you're ever wondering, my rule of thumb is overdressed,
20:31
Speaker 2: don't underdressed, because if you're overdressed, people go wow, like
20:35
Speaker 2: she put a lot of effort in and you know,
20:37
Speaker 2: she's gone above and beyond and is dressing you know,
20:40
Speaker 2: maybe really cooperate and wear a bit more casual. You
20:42
Speaker 2: can dial it back. But if you turn up in
20:45
Speaker 2: you know, your sweatpants or yeah, something with a stain
20:49
Speaker 2: on the sleeve, or you look like you haven't put
20:51
Speaker 2: a lot of attention into your personal appearance. For arguably
20:54
Speaker 2: one of the most important steps or meetings within a
20:57
Speaker 2: company to be hired. What are you get to be
21:00
Speaker 2: like once you're employed? Is kind of their mentality And
21:02
Speaker 2: it sucks that appearance factors in, But because we know
21:06
Speaker 2: that it does from all of that research, I feel like,
21:09
Speaker 2: if you're ever unsure, go further and above and beyond
21:12
Speaker 2: rather than you know, erring on the side of more cash.
21:15
Speaker 3: Yes, there is a great quote that says you can
21:18
Speaker 3: never be overdressed or over educated, and I adhere to
21:21
Speaker 3: that very strictly, because I genuinely think that's not the case.
21:25
Speaker 3: And Jess feedback, you were beautifully dressed at your interview
21:29
Speaker 3: and now we just wear genes to work, so it's
21:32
Speaker 3: very true, very true, all right. And then next one
21:36
Speaker 3: is arrive early, like not like hours early, because that's
21:39
Speaker 3: just awkward. But make sure that you are five to
21:42
Speaker 3: ten minutes early, and know that the interview starts the
21:45
Speaker 3: second you walk into that building, not when you go
21:48
Speaker 3: into the interview room. So treat the receptionists well and
21:51
Speaker 3: literally everybody. Well. I don't think I should have to
21:54
Speaker 3: be giving this advice, but do you know the amount
21:57
Speaker 3: of times I have met people and they haven't been
22:00
Speaker 3: nice to the receptionist, And then I'm like best friends
22:03
Speaker 3: with the receptionist, and after the interview, they're like, oh,
22:05
Speaker 3: she wasn't that nice, was she? And I'd be like,
22:07
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? And then they explain to
22:09
Speaker 3: me their experience and I'm like, oh, interesting, noted.
22:13
Speaker 2: Christ them off the list.
22:14
Speaker 3: Exactly, Like You've got to remember that regardless of who
22:18
Speaker 3: they are, they are worth your time. And I don't
22:20
Speaker 3: care who they are or what job they do, I
22:23
Speaker 3: promise you if they're already employed by that company. They
22:25
Speaker 3: have a better relationship with their CEO than you do,
22:28
Speaker 3: my friend, So don't treat anyone terribly, which shouldn't be
22:32
Speaker 3: advice I have to give, but do you know what
22:34
Speaker 3: I've experienced it quite literally next breathing exercises. I know
22:39
Speaker 3: this is really lame, but take a big breath before
22:42
Speaker 3: you walk in or you get out of the car,
22:44
Speaker 3: because you need to be calm and remember that, like,
22:47
Speaker 3: this is an opportunity. It is not something that should
22:50
Speaker 3: be stressful. And if you are stressed, let's channel that
22:53
Speaker 3: into excitement because how lucky are you to get to
22:56
Speaker 3: go to this interview? Not how anxious am I to
22:59
Speaker 3: go have to go to this interview? Right, yeah, like
23:02
Speaker 3: we want to change our mindset. And then once you're
23:05
Speaker 3: in the interview room or I don't know, it was
23:08
Speaker 3: like what did we do, Jess, we got a coffee.
23:10
Speaker 3: Once you're having a coffee or in your interview, trying
23:13
Speaker 3: to establish a little bit of rapport with your interviewer,
23:16
Speaker 3: obviously within reason. If they're back to back interviews and
23:19
Speaker 3: it's very serious and very corporate and very professional, like
23:22
Speaker 3: maybe it's not the time or place to be like Hey,
23:25
Speaker 3: how's your day been so far? But asking them about
23:28
Speaker 3: their day, complementing the office space, saying something that gives
23:33
Speaker 3: them a sense of who you are or the sense
23:35
Speaker 3: of humor that you obviously have, is a really great
23:38
Speaker 3: way to break the ice and feel a little bit
23:41
Speaker 3: more comfortable on your behalf.
23:42
Speaker 2: And are there any other tips or tricks that we
23:44
Speaker 2: can maintain once we're in that interview space?
23:47
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, one of them is eye contact. I know
23:51
Speaker 3: it can be really awkward but scary. I know, I know,
23:55
Speaker 3: and like, don't stare them down in their eyes, but
23:58
Speaker 3: I often pick up space on their face that I'm
24:00
Speaker 3: really comfortable looking at.
24:01
Speaker 2: So like between the eyebrows or something.
24:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless they have a really bad monobrow, in which
24:06
Speaker 3: case you probably don't want to stare at it. No,
24:09
Speaker 3: that sounds really mean, but I often pick in the
24:11
Speaker 3: middle of their forehead because it never feels like I'm
24:13
Speaker 3: staring at you. But it's always that point of reference
24:16
Speaker 3: to go back to to make sure that you are
24:18
Speaker 3: making eye contact, because that's really important in an interview.
24:22
Speaker 3: But then also we want to appear confident, right, We
24:26
Speaker 3: don't want to appear as though we are super nervous
24:29
Speaker 3: even if we are, and we also don't want to
24:31
Speaker 3: downplay our achievements. So saying things like and yeah at
24:36
Speaker 3: the end of all of your sentences is really bad
24:39
Speaker 3: and it makes you sound like you are not as confident.
24:42
Speaker 3: So refraining from saying things like and yeah at the
24:46
Speaker 3: end of sentences is going to help you greatly, because
24:50
Speaker 3: your sentence is impactful and it's important, and saying something
24:53
Speaker 3: like and yeah on the end is actually only going
24:56
Speaker 3: to downplay what you've just said.
24:58
Speaker 2: It's really interesting because we you see, there's a lot
25:01
Speaker 2: in women, specifically, even once you're in the workforce, around
25:04
Speaker 2: sending emails, for example, we tend to use softening language
25:10
Speaker 2: to make the other person and say, oh, I was
25:14
Speaker 2: just wondering, or just get that.
25:17
Speaker 3: Out of your vocabulary right now. We don't.
25:20
Speaker 2: And I remember really early in my employment we I
25:24
Speaker 2: was working on some copy for something forshus the money,
25:26
Speaker 2: and I don't remember what it was specifically, but I
25:29
Speaker 2: was using a lot of exclamation points and like a
25:32
Speaker 2: few of those, like downplaying like language phrases, and you
25:36
Speaker 2: said to me, your language should speak for itself. You
25:38
Speaker 2: don't need to downplay what you're saying. Or make other
25:41
Speaker 2: people feel comfortable. Just say what you want to say,
25:43
Speaker 2: because I guarantee you that's what the men are doing.
25:45
Speaker 2: And I was like, what what.
25:47
Speaker 3: Do you mean?
25:48
Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, like it really speaks to your confidence.
25:52
Speaker 2: And I understand that as women were so conditioned to
25:56
Speaker 2: kind of put ourselves on the back foot or put
25:58
Speaker 2: other people first. But if you can start to eliminate
26:01
Speaker 2: that from your day to day language, you would be
26:04
Speaker 2: shook at what a difference it makes and how empowered
26:07
Speaker 2: it can make you feel.
26:08
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And I think that that goes for
26:11
Speaker 3: every day life, not just interviews. Saying the word just
26:16
Speaker 3: is so disempowering. And I'll often pick people up in
26:20
Speaker 3: our office, which you know, Jess. I'll be like, hey, cool,
26:23
Speaker 3: do you want to rephrase that? Like I want to
26:25
Speaker 3: hear that again. And I'm not being condescending, I'm not
26:28
Speaker 3: being rude. I just feel like it is my job
26:30
Speaker 3: to point out to you when you're not doing yourself justice.
26:34
Speaker 3: And sometimes people will say, oh, Victoria, I just wanted
26:37
Speaker 3: to check how are you going with that report, instead
26:40
Speaker 3: of saying, hey, Victoria, I need that report because one
26:43
Speaker 3: of them is confident. One of them is tiptoeing around,
26:46
Speaker 3: and I don't think anyone should have to tiptoe around
26:49
Speaker 3: a relationship, a job, a situation like nothing. We don't
26:52
Speaker 3: just need to check. You need to check because that's
26:55
Speaker 3: actually your job. My friend own it.
26:59
Speaker 2: So I suppose going over those things. I've seen a
27:02
Speaker 2: lot of people talking in the group about the Star.
27:05
Speaker 3: Method for interviews. Do you know what that is? Yes?
27:08
Speaker 3: I do, and it is actually perfect if we are
27:11
Speaker 3: one of those people that really want to plan for
27:13
Speaker 3: an interview and have those pre prepared answers. But as
27:17
Speaker 3: I said, pre prepared answers aren't going to get you
27:19
Speaker 3: the job, but having a framework is. So the STAR
27:23
Speaker 3: method is actually a framework that we can all adopt
27:25
Speaker 3: for literally any type of question. And STAR stands for situation, task, action,
27:31
Speaker 3: and result. So that is the way you're going to
27:33
Speaker 3: frame your response. So when you're asked a question and
27:37
Speaker 3: you're required to provide a specific example, you're going to
27:40
Speaker 3: think situation, so you explain what the situation is. Then
27:43
Speaker 3: you're going to think task, so what was your responsibility
27:46
Speaker 3: in that moment? Then you're going to think action, and
27:49
Speaker 3: you're going to explain the steps that you took to
27:51
Speaker 3: address that situation, and then finally you're get to round
27:54
Speaker 3: it out with the results and explain what your results
27:58
Speaker 3: were based on your action. And keeping this in mind
28:01
Speaker 3: is going to help you stick to short, sharp answers
28:04
Speaker 3: that are grounded in real life experiences as opposed to
28:07
Speaker 3: waffling on for a while and then like you're trying
28:10
Speaker 3: to look back to the point because you're nervous. By
28:13
Speaker 3: having a framework and deeply knowing that framework, you can
28:16
Speaker 3: immediately go, okay, cool, break this center for what was
28:19
Speaker 3: the first thing, situation, task, action, result, and then you
28:22
Speaker 3: know you've comprehensively answered that question. So instead of having
28:26
Speaker 3: a pre prepared response, you've got a pre prepared framework,
28:29
Speaker 3: and you can put your actual life and actual examples
28:32
Speaker 3: into that little framework and make yourself look like a legend.
28:35
Speaker 2: Okay, so we've prepared for the interview, we've done our research,
28:39
Speaker 2: we've gotten through the interview, we've gotten over our nerves,
28:41
Speaker 2: we've used the star method to give really comprehensive responses,
28:45
Speaker 2: and we've walked out of the interview. We're done. We've
28:47
Speaker 2: shook their legends, or we've tapped their elbows because COVID
28:51
Speaker 2: life or whatever the case may be do we send
28:54
Speaker 2: a follow up email or a call or flowers or
28:58
Speaker 2: what is don't send for?
28:59
Speaker 3: What is the protocol? I think different horses for different courses.
29:04
Speaker 3: Like everybody is going to tell you something different in
29:07
Speaker 3: this particular situation. But if you're asking me, I'm not
29:11
Speaker 3: someone who calls, because I know that that could be
29:14
Speaker 3: really awkward. Maybe they haven't gotten through all of their interviewers.
29:17
Speaker 3: Like when you get on the phone, what are you
29:19
Speaker 3: gonna say? Like, Hey, thank you so much for taking
29:21
Speaker 3: your time. I was just wondering about my application, Like
29:25
Speaker 3: I don't want to have a full conversation, but I
29:27
Speaker 3: do want you to acknowledge it because that person took
29:30
Speaker 3: the time out of their day to meet with you.
29:33
Speaker 3: I think acknowledging that is really nice. Don't do it
29:36
Speaker 3: the second you work out, so their phone pings as
29:38
Speaker 3: they're walking back to my desk. But later that day
29:42
Speaker 3: or that evening or even the next morning, sending just
29:44
Speaker 3: a really nice thank you note to the person or
29:47
Speaker 3: the panel who interviewed you, explaining that you really enjoyed
29:49
Speaker 3: meeting them. You're thanking them for taking the time out
29:52
Speaker 3: of their day and for the opportunity. I think is
29:55
Speaker 3: really nice with absolutely no, Hey, could you just let
29:58
Speaker 3: me know how I'm going in the process? Like that
30:01
Speaker 3: is not the intention of the email. The intention of
30:03
Speaker 3: the email is to express gratitude and just say thank
30:06
Speaker 3: you so much for taking the time out of your day.
30:08
Speaker 3: Really appreciated it, Jess. You'd be surprised who remembers that
30:12
Speaker 3: as well afterwards. Even if you're not successful, that courtesy
30:15
Speaker 3: will often sit in the memory of people and you
30:18
Speaker 3: never know when you're going to interview with them again.
30:20
Speaker 2: Exactly Well, we'll be back after a very short break
30:23
Speaker 2: to chat through a few more of the specific curly
30:26
Speaker 2: questions that you might want to prepare for your job interview. Alrighty,
30:35
Speaker 2: so this one can be controversial. V. Should we be
30:39
Speaker 2: asking about the salary in the interview and about things
30:43
Speaker 2: like career progression or does that make us look a
30:46
Speaker 2: little bit dodge.
30:47
Speaker 3: I don't think it makes you look dodgy and it's fickle.
30:50
Speaker 3: I think you have to understand the situation and make
30:53
Speaker 3: a judgment call in the moment. For me, I don't
30:57
Speaker 3: want to ask about salary upfront and ever have. But also,
31:02
Speaker 3: what if you're going for this job and you're expecting
31:04
Speaker 3: it to be eighty thousand dollars and you know that's
31:06
Speaker 3: the amount of money that you need to earn because
31:09
Speaker 3: you've got a family and you've got kids, and that's
31:11
Speaker 3: the expectation. And then you know, you get three interviews
31:14
Speaker 3: in and find out their budget's fifty grand. Like, neither
31:17
Speaker 3: of those are bad salaries, it's not the thing, but
31:19
Speaker 3: you were going in with an expectation. So I think
31:23
Speaker 3: asking is really important. I love when you go through
31:27
Speaker 3: a recruiter, not because it is an easier process, Like
31:31
Speaker 3: as an employer, I don't love using recruiters. But if
31:34
Speaker 3: you're working with a recruiter, have a chat with them
31:37
Speaker 3: about salary and you can get that done off the bat.
31:40
Speaker 3: You don't even have to ask in the interview. But
31:42
Speaker 3: if you're not, I think just measuring it, seeing how
31:44
Speaker 3: it's going and asking, but not saying hey, how much
31:48
Speaker 3: does this job pay? But saying hey, I'd love to
31:50
Speaker 3: have a chat about salary expectations from your business's perspective,
31:54
Speaker 3: like what is this role worth? Is a really good
31:57
Speaker 3: way of putting it on the table without saying, hey, Jess,
32:00
Speaker 3: how much am I going to get paid? Because you
32:02
Speaker 3: need to come across as though you're asking for the
32:05
Speaker 3: right reasons, not just because you're hoping to get money
32:07
Speaker 3: out of the situation. And I know that that is
32:10
Speaker 3: hard because we are a money podcast and we're all
32:12
Speaker 3: about empowering you. But I do believe that there is
32:15
Speaker 3: a right and a wrong way to ask that question,
32:18
Speaker 3: because you also want to be taken seriously, but also
32:21
Speaker 3: you want to make sure that you're on the front foot,
32:24
Speaker 3: not going, oh yeah, I'll just take whatever you're paying,
32:27
Speaker 3: Like you need to be assertive and have that conversation,
32:30
Speaker 3: and I think that that starts with you doing your
32:32
Speaker 3: research before going in and before having that conversation. Like,
32:36
Speaker 3: there are so many different tools and resources out there.
32:40
Speaker 3: I know there is glass Door Seek has some really
32:42
Speaker 3: good examples of what a job is worth. If that
32:45
Speaker 3: particular job doesn't have a salary on it either, I
32:49
Speaker 3: would look up similar salaries on SEK and see what
32:52
Speaker 3: other jobs are paying for very similar roles. Then there's
32:55
Speaker 3: also Hayes. They are a recruitment company and each and
32:58
Speaker 3: every single year Lisa's salary guide for what on average
33:02
Speaker 3: those employees in Australia are being paid. And it's actually
33:06
Speaker 3: really comprehensive and really helpful, but there are a number
33:09
Speaker 3: of ways for you to find out what that role
33:11
Speaker 3: is worth and then base your conversation around that. The
33:15
Speaker 3: only thing I would say to completely avoid is sharing
33:18
Speaker 3: with the interviewer how much money you're currently on, because
33:22
Speaker 3: that is not relevant unless you're actually on a really
33:25
Speaker 3: really great salary and you're just like for lack yep, cool,
33:27
Speaker 3: Like I'm currently being paid eighty grand and I would
33:30
Speaker 3: like to expect the same. I think is fine, But
33:33
Speaker 3: if you're increasing in salary, I don't think it's relevant
33:37
Speaker 3: to give an idea of what you were being paid.
33:40
Speaker 3: You're going to give that interviewer the idea that either
33:42
Speaker 3: you're worthless or your expectations should be less because well,
33:47
Speaker 3: she wasn't being paid that much before, and that's not
33:50
Speaker 3: fair and that is not reasonable. Like you should just
33:53
Speaker 3: be paid what that job is worth from my perspective. Agreed.
33:57
Speaker 2: So Janelle for maur Group has done her fair share
33:59
Speaker 2: of interviews over the course of her journey, and she
34:02
Speaker 2: said that when she interviews people, she likes to see confidence,
34:05
Speaker 2: but not arrogance. And she said, we need to remember
34:08
Speaker 2: that the employer needs you almost more than you need them.
34:12
Speaker 2: You're an employer, what makes candidates stand out?
34:17
Speaker 3: I would agree with the confidence, not arrogance, Like there
34:20
Speaker 3: is a line, and I think that being confident in
34:22
Speaker 3: yourself and being confident in your responses doesn't need for
34:26
Speaker 3: you to be arrogant. Like arrogance is very easy to spot,
34:30
Speaker 3: and it actually puts me off completely, Like I don't
34:32
Speaker 3: want someone arrogant working for my business because my employees
34:36
Speaker 3: are a reflection of me as a person. Like if
34:39
Speaker 3: I don't have a nice team, then I can't be
34:41
Speaker 3: a nice person, right, Like I would want people to
34:44
Speaker 3: experience And this maybe is just too deep, but I
34:47
Speaker 3: feel like it has served me well thus far, Like
34:50
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, Jess, you are a
34:51
Speaker 3: reflection of my business and me as a person. And
34:54
Speaker 3: I know that you should separate your work in your
34:56
Speaker 3: personal life and stuff like that, But with what I do,
35:00
Speaker 3: especially if She's on the Money, like, it's so deeply
35:02
Speaker 3: connected to my own values that of course I want
35:05
Speaker 3: people in She's on the Money who are exactly like me,
35:08
Speaker 3: or who are on the same wavelength. And you know,
35:11
Speaker 3: everyone in our team is so different, but they are
35:14
Speaker 3: all at a base level kind and honest and true.
35:17
Speaker 3: And I would say that nobody on our team is arrogant.
35:20
Speaker 3: But I think it's really important to remember that the
35:23
Speaker 3: thing that makes a candidate stand out for me is
35:26
Speaker 3: just honesty. It is honesty, it's truthfulness, it is kindness.
35:29
Speaker 3: It is not actually their skills, it is not their ability.
35:32
Speaker 3: But something that really puts me off is arrogance. Is
35:35
Speaker 3: that bad to say?
35:36
Speaker 2: No, I think that's very true. And I think, as
35:39
Speaker 2: you said, like, you don't want to hire somebody that
35:41
Speaker 2: you know is mean or that's not going to slot
35:43
Speaker 2: in and make your other employees uncomfortable. So that's completely relevant.
35:48
Speaker 2: And I guess now in twenty twenty one, especially COVID Life,
35:51
Speaker 2: Zoom interviews are so incredibly common at the moment, and
35:55
Speaker 2: it's a lot harder to engage with people when you're
35:57
Speaker 2: talking to them through a screen. Any tips that you
36:00
Speaker 2: can give us that are applicable to Zoom specifically.
36:03
Speaker 3: Yes, And these are just general housekeeping things, not things
36:08
Speaker 3: to do on the actual Zoom call. So first things first,
36:12
Speaker 3: be prepared. So just because it's on Zoom doesn't mean
36:14
Speaker 3: you don't need to prepare as much. You still need
36:16
Speaker 3: to do the same research. You still need to get
36:18
Speaker 3: dressed up. Like I know in the age of Zoom,
36:22
Speaker 3: we're very good at like business on top, party down
36:24
Speaker 3: below where we're still in now, like yoga pants or
36:26
Speaker 3: our pajama pants. But for me, I feel like if
36:30
Speaker 3: I'm doing a presentation, I feel so much more put together.
36:33
Speaker 3: When I put a whole outfit on, I feel so
36:34
Speaker 3: much more confident, Like give yourself that gift of confidence
36:38
Speaker 3: and get yourself ready. I know that it can take
36:41
Speaker 3: a little bit more, but like it's worth it because
36:43
Speaker 3: it's your first impression, and I know they're not going
36:45
Speaker 3: to see your pants, but it is absolutely the confidence
36:48
Speaker 3: of wearing a nice outfit. Right then, I think it's
36:52
Speaker 3: important to log in early. I'm not saying be on
36:55
Speaker 3: Zoom waiting for them staring at the wall awkwardly, but
36:58
Speaker 3: make sure that you're sitting at your computer five or
37:00
Speaker 3: ten minutes early and that everything is in check. If
37:02
Speaker 3: you need a glass of water, putting that there and
37:04
Speaker 3: actually setting up your environment, then I would make sure
37:08
Speaker 3: that I test Zoom. So if you google Zoom test,
37:12
Speaker 3: you will actually come up with a Zoom test link
37:15
Speaker 3: so that you can test Zoom from your house without
37:18
Speaker 3: having any repercussion. So you can make sure that the
37:21
Speaker 3: sound is okay. You can make sure that the video
37:23
Speaker 3: quality is okay. You make sure the lighting is good.
37:25
Speaker 3: Lighting is so important, speaking of a window, stand in
37:29
Speaker 3: front of a window. If you need to drag your
37:31
Speaker 3: desk around so that everything is well lit and it
37:34
Speaker 3: looks appealing to look at, that is great because there
37:37
Speaker 3: is nothing worse than doing a zoom with someone you're
37:40
Speaker 3: kind of like squinting to see them because the light
37:43
Speaker 3: is behind them and their faces shadowed out. You want
37:46
Speaker 3: to give your potential employer as much opportunity to read
37:50
Speaker 3: your face and read your language and read your body
37:53
Speaker 3: language and understand you as a person. And good lighting
37:56
Speaker 3: is going to do that. It's not just because you'll
37:58
Speaker 3: look cuter, but you obviously will extracute with natural light.
38:02
Speaker 3: And make sure that you're asking if you've got housemates,
38:06
Speaker 3: make sure they know you've got that interview on and
38:08
Speaker 3: they don't just like pop into the lounge room and
38:10
Speaker 3: start making pancakes behind you, like, ask them to be
38:13
Speaker 3: respectful for that period of time and prepare them because
38:17
Speaker 3: I know in twenty twenty one, in the age of
38:19
Speaker 3: zoom and COVID, it's very common to houseshed, but also
38:23
Speaker 3: make sure that they're prepared. Then making sure your background
38:26
Speaker 3: is neat and tidy. A white wall is absolutely perfect,
38:30
Speaker 3: but if you do have things in the background, making
38:33
Speaker 3: sure that they're not too personalized, making sure that they're
38:35
Speaker 3: not taking the attention off you. And if you're like
38:38
Speaker 3: me and you have a whole heap of pets, make
38:41
Speaker 3: sure they are locked in another room or put outside
38:45
Speaker 3: for that day, because you don't want them coming and
38:48
Speaker 3: getting in the way of your interview, no matter how
38:50
Speaker 3: cute they are.
38:51
Speaker 2: I promise, all right, And before we finish up, the
38:54
Speaker 2: rejection is a part of the game. It's a really
38:56
Speaker 2: competitive market out there right now, and I just want
38:58
Speaker 2: to say it's not a reflect on you if you
39:01
Speaker 2: don't get the job. It's really tough out there right now.
39:04
Speaker 2: But are there any things we can do to kind
39:07
Speaker 2: of help us deal with that feeling that you're going
39:09
Speaker 2: to get when you get rejected.
39:11
Speaker 3: Being rejected sucks. It doesn't matter how prepared you are
39:14
Speaker 3: or how perfect you were. It's actually not about you.
39:17
Speaker 3: It's all about them. And I think remembering that is
39:20
Speaker 3: really really important and not thinking that it was for nothing,
39:24
Speaker 3: Like think about the experience you would have gained from that.
39:26
Speaker 3: That was a really high pressure situation and I'm sure
39:29
Speaker 3: you absolutely killed it. Maybe think about the areas that
39:31
Speaker 3: next time you could improve on. But also kudos to you.
39:34
Speaker 3: Doing an interview is tough, and the more we do something,
39:38
Speaker 3: the more comfortable and confident we are. So we know
39:41
Speaker 3: that the next interview you go into you're going to
39:43
Speaker 3: be even more prepared. How good is that next is
39:47
Speaker 3: don't be afraid to us the interviewer, about how you
39:50
Speaker 3: could improve for future interviews. So I think accepting rejection
39:55
Speaker 3: gracefully is a talent that not enough people have. So
39:59
Speaker 3: for example, let's say that you didn't get the job
40:02
Speaker 3: with me, and you had done an interview with me
40:04
Speaker 3: and Ryan, you'd met, we'd had a coffee together. I
40:07
Speaker 3: think when you get that rejection email, instead of being
40:10
Speaker 3: like oh no and not doing anything about it, I
40:13
Speaker 3: think responding to that email is actually really important. You're
40:17
Speaker 3: not begging for the job. You don't want to change
40:19
Speaker 3: the outcome, but like, thank you so much for taking
40:21
Speaker 3: the time to let me know that that's the outcome
40:24
Speaker 3: of this interview. I really really enjoyed meeting you and
40:27
Speaker 3: your company. I'd be very happy for you guys to
40:30
Speaker 3: keep my resume on file because I would welcome the
40:33
Speaker 3: opportunity of a role if it ever comes up and
40:35
Speaker 3: I'm the right fit again. But then also saying, hey,
40:39
Speaker 3: if you have the time, would it be okay if
40:41
Speaker 3: you gave me a little bit of feedback around why
40:43
Speaker 3: I didn't get the role so that in the future
40:45
Speaker 3: I could improve on those skills and they might come
40:49
Speaker 3: back to you and say, hey, Jess, there's actually nothing
40:51
Speaker 3: that you could improve on. You were actually so good.
40:54
Speaker 3: It's just that we had an applicant who had far
40:57
Speaker 3: more experience than you. Yeah, and that is such a
40:59
Speaker 3: great outcome because then you know, well, actually wasn't me,
41:03
Speaker 3: Like somebody else got it. And I'm so happy for
41:05
Speaker 3: them because at the end of the day, like they're
41:08
Speaker 3: going to flourish in that role, and that company got
41:10
Speaker 3: exactly what they needed. It's not a reflection of you,
41:13
Speaker 3: and I think that if you did do something that
41:16
Speaker 3: maybe turned the interviewer off, I'd prefer to know so
41:19
Speaker 3: that they don't make that mistake next time. So, from
41:22
Speaker 3: my perspective, asking for feedback is really important, But only
41:25
Speaker 3: asking for feedback when you've actually done an interview is
41:29
Speaker 3: important as well, because often you'll find that people send
41:33
Speaker 3: their resume off and it's riddled with mistakes or it
41:35
Speaker 3: doesn't fit the role description properly and you never heard back.
41:38
Speaker 3: Asking for feedback in that situation I don't think is appropriate,
41:42
Speaker 3: but definitely if you met with the person and actually
41:44
Speaker 3: went through the interview. I think the most important thing here, though, Jess,
41:47
Speaker 3: is remembering that this is actually often completely out of control.
41:51
Speaker 3: Like all you can do is put your best foot
41:53
Speaker 3: forward and prepare and remember that it's not always about
41:57
Speaker 3: you being bad. Not getting the job is not a
42:00
Speaker 3: bad outcome, but at the end of the day, something
42:03
Speaker 3: better is coming. And I'm a very big believer that
42:05
Speaker 3: if one door doesn't open for you, we just need
42:07
Speaker 3: to wait for the right door for you to come along. So, Jess,
42:11
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